The following program discusses sensitive issues 00:00:01.40\00:00:03.37 related to addictive behavior. 00:00:03.40\00:00:05.02 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:00:05.05\00:00:06.86 may be too candid for younger children. 00:00:06.89\00:00:10.73 Welcome to "Celebrating Life in Recovery." 00:00:10.76\00:00:12.45 I'm Cheri, your host, 00:00:12.48\00:00:13.85 and today we're gonna talk about 00:00:13.88\00:00:15.25 where does our dysfunction start from 00:00:15.28\00:00:17.65 and its surprising to me 00:00:17.68\00:00:19.08 some of it starts from right in the home. 00:00:19.11\00:00:20.77 Come join us in the cafe. 00:00:20.80\00:00:22.85 Welcome back, you know, I always work with folks 00:00:49.63\00:00:53.09 that have incredible issues all over the world. 00:00:53.12\00:00:55.52 You know, whether its drugs, alcohol, 00:00:55.55\00:00:57.34 sexual issues, addictions. 00:00:57.37\00:01:00.28 They're pretty intense. 00:01:00.31\00:01:01.68 But I know, when I meet somebody that it didn't start there. 00:01:01.71\00:01:04.96 It didn't start with them all the sudden 00:01:04.99\00:01:06.84 slamming a bottle of tequila. 00:01:06.87\00:01:09.31 It started long before that. 00:01:09.34\00:01:11.21 So we're gonna talk a little bit about what starts addictions? 00:01:11.24\00:01:14.45 May--what is the foundations of some of our additions 00:01:14.48\00:01:17.76 and what hijacks us. 00:01:17.79\00:01:19.54 You know, because we really are hijacked by that stuff 00:01:19.57\00:01:22.28 and so I want to just say welcome for everybody here. 00:01:22.31\00:01:25.86 Welcome to the cafe I'm so glad you're here. 00:01:25.89\00:01:28.45 Actually we're gonna get to hear your story today 00:01:28.48\00:01:30.22 and I love you and... 00:01:30.25\00:01:32.67 but this part is really kind of important stuff. 00:01:32.70\00:01:36.29 One of the things that I know about kids is that 00:01:36.32\00:01:41.17 they learn a ton of stuff 00:01:41.20\00:01:42.78 between ages zero and three or zero and five. 00:01:42.81\00:01:47.17 I mean, they just learn a ton of stuff. 00:01:47.20\00:01:49.15 Now put a normal child the baby in a really dysfunctional home. 00:01:49.18\00:01:53.80 So you put a child in a home 00:01:53.83\00:01:55.29 that none of the rules are the same. 00:01:55.32\00:01:57.29 Nobody is doing the right thing. 00:01:57.32\00:01:58.81 Mom and dad may be dealing with their own addictions, 00:01:58.84\00:02:02.03 whether it's alcohol or some of their more hidden addictions 00:02:02.06\00:02:05.31 where they're dealing with all that kind of stuff. 00:02:05.34\00:02:07.28 And you have this kid that tries to grow up 00:02:07.31\00:02:10.11 and tries to decide for the rules. 00:02:10.14\00:02:12.46 What are the rules in this house? 00:02:12.49\00:02:14.34 And it's weird because sometimes, 00:02:14.37\00:02:16.33 now I grew up with my folks been into drugs and alcohol. 00:02:16.36\00:02:21.31 And so I could run in the house and one time I'd run in 00:02:21.34\00:02:24.36 and everybody wants to throw you up in the air and they're happy 00:02:24.39\00:02:27.33 and they're kissing you all over the face 00:02:27.36\00:02:28.93 and the next minute it's a disaster. 00:02:28.96\00:02:31.30 The next minute something happens 00:02:31.33\00:02:33.07 and everybody's at each other or you know whatever. 00:02:33.10\00:02:35.56 So in an addictive home 00:02:35.59\00:02:38.46 the cycles are just all over the place 00:02:38.49\00:02:40.56 and really nothing can be trusted. 00:02:40.59\00:02:42.90 And kids know right away that this may not be safe. 00:02:42.93\00:02:47.70 And what's really dreadful for a child from an alcoholic home 00:02:47.73\00:02:52.38 or drug addict home or even sexual addictions 00:02:52.41\00:02:54.91 because sometimes we think our hidden addictions 00:02:54.94\00:02:56.95 don't effect our kids, oh, man, 00:02:56.98\00:02:59.99 they do because you are not present. 00:03:00.02\00:03:01.43 You know, so anyhow even those kind of homes is this child-- 00:03:01.46\00:03:06.42 even those things start to look good 00:03:06.45\00:03:08.55 and the child should be able to relax, 00:03:08.58\00:03:10.40 when things are going well but they don't. 00:03:10.43\00:03:12.85 They have a sense of doom, like I know, 00:03:12.88\00:03:17.07 I know something is gonna happen any minute. 00:03:17.10\00:03:19.38 And so they kind of wait 00:03:19.41\00:03:20.78 so they really can get involved 00:03:20.81\00:03:23.57 and whatever is happening and its safe right now, 00:03:23.60\00:03:25.71 nobody's yelling or whatever. 00:03:25.74\00:03:27.26 But underneath all that as I know 00:03:27.29\00:03:28.78 that something is gonna happen. 00:03:28.81\00:03:30.36 And something develops in them that says I need, 00:03:30.39\00:03:35.21 I need to kind of escape or to distract myself I... 00:03:35.24\00:03:38.65 you know, I need something this kind of normal 00:03:38.68\00:03:40.95 and because they desperately want that. 00:03:40.98\00:03:42.98 And so what a child from an alcoholichome 00:03:43.01\00:03:45.58 or an addictive home 00:03:45.61\00:03:46.98 starts to look for what suits them, you know. 00:03:47.01\00:03:50.39 Now what, if it's a video game, you know, 00:03:50.42\00:03:53.39 I can get on this video game and I can have a great time. 00:03:53.42\00:03:57.38 I'm not thinking about anything, I could care less everything 00:03:57.41\00:04:00.67 could be falling apart all around me and that's okay 00:04:00.70\00:04:03.00 'cause I'm fine and I'm playing the game, and I'm. 00:04:03.03\00:04:05.99 And so what happens is an addiction start. 00:04:06.02\00:04:08.86 Not all video games are addictive 00:04:08.89\00:04:10.81 but when you have dysfunction 00:04:10.84\00:04:12.87 and this game actually comforts me in someway, 00:04:12.90\00:04:17.40 that's the seed of an addiction. 00:04:17.43\00:04:20.44 Because I get comforted emotionally, 00:04:20.47\00:04:22.49 I get safe if I-- it feels good to me, 00:04:22.52\00:04:25.43 I somehow get out of the chaos 00:04:25.46\00:04:27.21 and it could be some kids reach for food, you know. 00:04:27.24\00:04:30.66 I start slamming some stuff and I feel better 00:04:30.69\00:04:33.20 and food addiction started. 00:04:33.23\00:04:35.06 And then that whole cycle for them start 00:04:35.09\00:04:37.28 or the first time you take drugs, 00:04:37.31\00:04:38.68 I'm in this crazy home and somebody gives me 00:04:38.71\00:04:41.37 some weed and I laugh and I could care less. 00:04:41.40\00:04:45.19 Yet that seeds starts for a normal child 00:04:45.22\00:04:47.54 that may not be that intense but when you have somebody 00:04:47.57\00:04:50.32 that's been in this crazy home, those things really set us up. 00:04:50.35\00:04:55.64 There is something that happens in the crazy home too 00:04:55.67\00:04:57.92 that's call addictive logic. 00:04:57.95\00:05:02.70 Dad comes home and let's say your dad is alcoholic, 00:05:02.73\00:05:05.24 a gambler and he comes home 00:05:05.27\00:05:07.05 and he's angry and he puts on the T.V. 00:05:07.08\00:05:09.28 and every interaction is intense. 00:05:09.31\00:05:11.37 And the kid says to mom, what's dad angry about? 00:05:11.40\00:05:16.17 Well he just had a bad day at work. 00:05:16.20\00:05:19.45 Well, does that mean he can hate you like that? 00:05:19.48\00:05:22.19 Does that mean he can yell at me like that? 00:05:22.22\00:05:24.10 And so the addictive logic is that child's knows in their mind 00:05:24.13\00:05:27.88 that's crazy, you know, what do you mean. 00:05:27.91\00:05:30.74 He just had a bad day at work so he comes in 00:05:30.77\00:05:32.85 and everything is just kind of the whole house is walking 00:05:32.88\00:05:36.26 on eggshells and everybody is fearful or whatever. 00:05:36.29\00:05:39.08 That sentence doesn't make sense 00:05:39.11\00:05:40.78 but they try to make it make sense, right. 00:05:40.81\00:05:43.40 And so addictive logic says, if somebody is saying 00:05:43.43\00:05:46.33 one thing, why did dad hit me. 00:05:46.36\00:05:48.18 Well, I didn't have the dishes done. 00:05:48.21\00:05:51.32 Why did dad did? What is that hit us. 00:05:51.35\00:05:53.80 Why does mom, why is mom in bed all day? 00:05:53.83\00:05:57.57 Instead of saying because she's an addict 00:05:57.60\00:05:59.67 and she is passed out, you just say 00:05:59.70\00:06:01.89 something like she's got she sick, 00:06:01.92\00:06:03.45 well she's been sick for three years. 00:06:03.48\00:06:05.21 You know, what I mean. 00:06:05.24\00:06:06.61 But a child tries to figure out how that makes sense. 00:06:06.64\00:06:08.95 And so that logic doesn't compute at all 00:06:08.98\00:06:12.89 and what most kids do in that environment 00:06:12.92\00:06:15.86 is they will try to distract themselves. 00:06:15.89\00:06:18.28 We've talked this season about 00:06:18.31\00:06:20.89 what hijacks your pleasure center. 00:06:20.92\00:06:23.20 And so we have a pleasure center 00:06:23.23\00:06:24.66 and the pleasure center in our brain is supposed to be there-- 00:06:24.69\00:06:27.78 we're supposed to love life. 00:06:27.81\00:06:29.44 You know, when I go swimming it feels good. 00:06:29.47\00:06:31.89 When I take a walk, it feels good. 00:06:31.92\00:06:33.96 When I'm laughing with friends, it feels good. 00:06:33.99\00:06:35.99 But when everything is trash 00:06:36.02\00:06:37.89 and I have this kind of crazy logic in my home, 00:06:37.92\00:06:40.53 it doesn't make sense. 00:06:40.56\00:06:41.93 That I'm gonna look for something to stimulate 00:06:41.96\00:06:44.72 that center and usually 00:06:44.75\00:06:46.54 with dysfunction is gonna be addictive. 00:06:46.57\00:06:48.87 And so children are setup really, really early 00:06:48.90\00:06:52.31 and they do behaviorally they're more at risk, 00:06:52.34\00:06:56.38 you know, they're gonna be the skateboard 00:06:56.41\00:06:57.92 that literally wants to skate on the side of seven story house, 00:06:57.95\00:07:01.28 you know, our building or they gonna want to go on rails 00:07:01.31\00:07:04.32 and they gonna want to do some high risk kind of activities. 00:07:04.35\00:07:07.72 And so those seeds that are planted in the homes 00:07:07.75\00:07:12.09 of alcoholics or addicts 00:07:12.12\00:07:14.65 even for their kids really setup the next generation. 00:07:14.68\00:07:17.65 And the reason I like to go over that is when you talk about 00:07:17.68\00:07:21.57 addicts, man, like I said at the beginning, 00:07:21.60\00:07:24.69 we don't just became addicts. 00:07:24.72\00:07:26.84 We really are kind of grown into that at some level 00:07:26.87\00:07:30.75 and when I do my recovery, lot of times people will say, 00:07:30.78\00:07:35.19 you know, when I do my recovery I'll just stop using, 00:07:35.22\00:07:37.53 I'll just stop drinking, I'll just get off on a line 00:07:37.56\00:07:40.26 and not do the sexual stuff anymore. 00:07:40.29\00:07:42.91 But it's more than that. 00:07:42.94\00:07:44.31 It's that a lot of times four people 00:07:44.34\00:07:46.62 that have learn this addictive logic for people 00:07:46.65\00:07:49.78 who have learn not to trust 00:07:49.81\00:07:51.21 their own environment to the world, 00:07:51.24\00:07:52.61 they don't even know kind of what is normal 00:07:52.64\00:07:54.49 and what's not because I never had that in my home 00:07:54.52\00:07:57.18 is that you get to. 00:07:57.21\00:07:59.65 You get to learn that now. 00:07:59.68\00:08:01.84 I just want to say that in the best way, 00:08:01.87\00:08:05.23 is some people say, 00:08:05.26\00:08:06.63 well, I don't want to learn that now, I know. 00:08:06.66\00:08:09.02 But baby you get to learn it now. 00:08:09.05\00:08:11.64 And when I got into recovery and I got that, 00:08:11.67\00:08:17.14 there is more hope in that, that you know 00:08:17.17\00:08:19.00 I have to admit to God 00:08:19.03\00:08:20.94 and someone else that I don't know how to act. 00:08:20.97\00:08:22.93 I don't know how to socialize. 00:08:22.96\00:08:24.48 I don't know how to do this, you know, 00:08:24.51\00:08:27.21 kind of assess my environment because my environment was never 00:08:27.24\00:08:29.92 trustworthy when I was growing up. 00:08:29.95\00:08:32.73 But I get to learn it now 00:08:32.76\00:08:34.21 and as you start to surrender to that, 00:08:34.24\00:08:37.57 as you let God direct you in that, 00:08:37.60\00:08:39.25 as you hook up with other people, 00:08:39.28\00:08:41.08 either in a recovery group or group of adult, 00:08:41.11\00:08:45.10 children of alcoholics or a group of people 00:08:45.13\00:08:47.05 that were on the same way you were going through. 00:08:47.08\00:08:48.92 It's so incredible to sit there and say I never knew 00:08:48.95\00:08:52.23 what's normal and the whole group laugh. 00:08:52.26\00:08:54.49 Because they never knew what's normal 00:08:54.52\00:08:56.38 and the fact that you get to learn now is incredible. 00:08:56.41\00:08:58.87 So don't think when you get into recovery 00:08:58.90\00:09:00.98 that you're just going to look at the addictive substance. 00:09:01.01\00:09:05.49 That is just like kind of the top of the iceberg. 00:09:05.52\00:09:08.17 You have all of the stuff that you get to look at to 00:09:08.20\00:09:11.11 and when you do, you get your life back. 00:09:11.14\00:09:14.22 You know, for the first time in my life, 00:09:14.25\00:09:17.04 I actually-- can I say I feel normal 00:09:17.07\00:09:19.44 and not feel like I'm lying. 00:09:19.47\00:09:21.95 I feel closer to normal. 00:09:21.98\00:09:23.87 And I may never get to be the person that says, 00:09:23.90\00:09:26.51 oh, yeah I'm normal now and--but I'm okay with that now. 00:09:26.54\00:09:31.04 You know, I have a husband that loves me 00:09:31.07\00:09:32.60 and I have a family that I love. 00:09:32.63\00:09:34.10 And I have humanity that I fit into 00:09:34.13\00:09:36.51 and for the first time I feel safe. 00:09:36.54\00:09:39.04 I have safe places all those kind of things 00:09:39.07\00:09:41.33 because I started to really look at all of the things 00:09:41.36\00:09:44.47 I didn't learn and decide to learn them now. 00:09:44.50\00:09:48.40 I'm gonna introduce you to a friend of mine 00:09:48.43\00:09:50.87 who's gonna be on the program. 00:09:50.90\00:09:52.27 And this friend really is going to look at her own life 00:09:52.30\00:09:55.99 and some of these kind of issues 00:09:56.02\00:09:58.38 and what did she do with people around her 00:09:58.41\00:10:00.76 now 'cause she kind of teaches people 00:10:00.79\00:10:02.57 how to confront those issues 00:10:02.60\00:10:04.92 and how to be normal, I love that. 00:10:04.95\00:10:09.07 We'll right back, stay with us. 00:10:09.10\00:10:11.25