The following program
discusses sensitive issues
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related to addictive behavior.
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Parents are
cautioned that some material
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may be too candid
for younger children.
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Welcome to
"Celebrating Life in Recovery."
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I'm Cheri your host and
today I'm gonna introduce you
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to a whole group of folks from
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Miracle Meadows
School and I love them.
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It's the best program ever.
So come join us in the cafe.
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Hello, you know, today my
guests are from Miracle Meadows
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and it's one of my
favorite places to go.
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I go sometimes and do
week of prayer or just,
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you know, hangout
with the kids there.
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And this is a alternative school
that looks at at-risk issues.
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You know, anger, drugs,
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rebellion all
that kind of stuff.
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And I could so relate to
these kids. It's amazing.
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You're gonna meet a lot of them.
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Before we go
there, I'd like to say,
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Gayle, thank you for
coming on the program.
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Thank you for inviting us.
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Gayle, you are the
founder of Miracle Meadows
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and you guys
have been running for,
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I think you said, 25 years.
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Next year. Okay.
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And I'm a co-founder. My
husband I founded it together.
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Okay, awesome.
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And so I want to
know, I'm looking at you
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and you look just so sweet.
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And, you know,
we're not easy kids.
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You know, I--you
know, we're just not easy.
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We're angry. We're rebellion.
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We're doing all
that kind of stuff.
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Whatever led you to
working with our rescues?
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Well, actually
there's some truth.
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I never thought to
rebel against my mother.
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I was an oldest
child of a single mother
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and my husband same way,
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we just never thought to
do the rebellious things.
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We couldn't make
sense of it even.
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Why would anyone
do this to themselves?
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So you just did the right thing.
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Most of the time--
to be honest with you
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if you want to know my-- I was--
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my birth father
tried to rape me at three
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and that started a
whole series of thing.
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My mother left him.
So I had my own damage.
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I came from a
family that was very angry.
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My mother's had-- there
were six children there.
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All of them died of
alcohol related except her.
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She didn't touch anything.
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There was adultery, incest,
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the whole nine
yards in the family.
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So you even had like all of this
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generational stuff
just following you.
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Yes, that's right.
But my mother stopped it.
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She was like the lily
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in a cesspool kind
of like thing. Right.
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And probably several things were
really important in my life,
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my mother first off and
then coming to know Jesus Christ
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and becoming a
Seventh-day Adventist
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really was a big deal for me.
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It changed the
direction of my life.
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But even before that,
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as a young person
growing up in poverty
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we didn't have an indoor
toilet until I was in college
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and we didn't have car
until I was in college.
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Wow, so a lot of
people don't know
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what it feels like to
when you say in poverty.
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We don't think of--you
know, we think poverty is,
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you know, we may not
pay our bill this month
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but you're talking about
no toilets, all those things.
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Yeah, I'm talking also about
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getting to where
we didn't have food
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at the end of the months.
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And we didn't have a
lunch program at that time
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in the school so my
mother wouldn't send me
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to school without--send
us to school without lunch.
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So we didn't go
to school sometimes.
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So it was a
poverty time for sure.
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And, you know,
basically when I looked
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at group of little
kids one of the things
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that I really was
attracted to were kids
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who were the dirty, kind
of rejected, sort of kids.
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Is in a sense you knew
what they were feeling.
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Yeah, I have some
identity with them. Right.
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But I was very goal oriented
because I knew my education
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was what it was gonna take
to get me out of where I was at
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and also mission-minded.
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And I chose to become a nurse.
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But I always knew
that I would adopt kids
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or that I would work with kids
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because that was
really, really important to me.
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And when I married my husband,
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it's kind of funny because
he-- I wanted to adopt our kids
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and he wanted
to have birth kids.
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So we turned out to have
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three adopted
and three birth kids.
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But yeah, we got into this
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by just doing foster
care on the side, kind of,
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we call it our hobby. Yeah.
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Because I was nurse
educator and he was a pastor,
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fulltime, for the conference.
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And we--our county was desperate
for homes for foster children.
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So we had this big farm
and we decided to take in--
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and our first ones were
extremely damaged, very damaged.
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And then-- And that's a lot.
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You know, to me--to me what's
interesting is a lot of work.
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It's a lot of--you
have to be consistent.
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You have to, you know, really,
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you know, you have to pay
attention to what I'm doing
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because if you
don't, I'm gonna end up
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getting myself in trouble.
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And so we're not
kids that you can
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just kind of here's a crayon
and here's a coloring book.
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Is that we need a
lot more structure.
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And so you guys
were willing to do that.
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I just want to kiss
you on the face for that.
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How good are you.
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Well, we were doing
what we liked to do, though.
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That's like kissing somebody
on the face for knitting
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because they like to do that.
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But, you know, that I think is
amazing to me that you liked it.
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So what was the
pay-off for you? Changed lives.
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Okay, so then
when you got to see
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that it actually
made a difference,
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that it was enough of a pay-off.
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Yeah, and or
even just giving a kid
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a chance even if
they don't choose.
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You're sad when a child
doesn't choose to change
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because it's all about
their choice in the end. Yeah.
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I can't force anyone
to change their life.
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And you're sad about that
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but there's a satisfaction
you gave them an opportunity
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they may not have had before.
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And that--
that's important because
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I can tell you
it's never the money.
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It always cost us
dearly to do that.
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So we were have--
when we started this
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we actually took our first
troubled youth in Loma Linda
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when we were there
doing graduate work.
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And she happened to
be my younger sister,
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10 years younger, who is
in really serious trouble.
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And we went to training
natural and logical consequences
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every week, parenting,
because Bill and I did not--
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we just never
occurred to us to disobey
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because we were older
kids and just responsible--
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I can't imagine that. I know.
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Because, you know, so
I'm like a middle child,
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right, in a dysfunctional home.
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So not only am I gonna disobey,
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if it doesn't make sense
I'm gonna be loud about it.
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That's not fair.
That doesn't make sense.
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I'm not doing it.
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And so I'm gonna be the
one that's running away.
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I'll be the one that sounds
like they're always louder
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because I really
voice my opinion.
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But I love the kid.
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They're just smiles and
they know everything's wrong
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but they're gonna do
the right thing anyway.
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I wasn't--I wasn't
always quiet about it.
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And, you know, I even
expressed to my mother
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that I didn't feel she
was being strict enough
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with my younger sister,
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you know, as a
teenager growing up,
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a young girl growing up
and then as a college student.
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But we took
training and that really set
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the foundation for knowing
kind of how to handle behavior
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in what they call natural
and logical consequences,
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you know, how to make it better.
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Explain that to us because
I think even a lot of parents
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now-a-days really need
to know what that means,
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natural and
logical consequences. Yeah.
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It's not punishment
and it's basically linking
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the consequence to the offence.
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For instance, if you do a sloppy
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job of doing dishes then you say
"well, you must need practice.
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So I think I'll have you
do dishes for the next 2 weeks
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or until you're gonna
do them 5 times right."
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And once you've done
them three times or five times
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right then I'll know
that you know how to do it.
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You're on your way, okay.
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You don't have to
do dishes anymore.
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It's linking the consequence
to the natural cause.
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Now sometimes you can't
let the natural cause happen.
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Your child runs into
the street without a ball,
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you know, chase the ball.
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You're not gonna let
the kid get hit by a car
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because that's
what naturally happens.
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So you have to
build in something
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that is more of a logical,
natural and logical consequences
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is what they-- a
logical consequence would be,
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you're struggling to
play safely with your ball
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so the ball will stay back here
for a while until you figure out
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how you're gonna
play safely with it,
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you know, or
something like that.
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So you ended up going to school,
learning those kind of things,
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starting the foster care
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and then open it up a
kind of a high school.
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Well, our-- we
were doing foster care
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and treatment foster care
and our Conference President,
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Herb Broeckel and our
Educational Superintendent,
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Larry Carter saw
the change in the kids,
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the state kids in our lives
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and their lives in our home.
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And, you know, we
even could recognize that.
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They would be
climbing the walls literally
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and totally out of control
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and then they would just
be transformed kids after,
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you know, it didn't
happen overnight, of course.
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And they came to us in '87
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and said would you consider
doing this for the church.
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And I want to say
to-- because you know
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this but a lot of our
viewers don't know this.
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But some of the
transformation on the kids,
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these are some incredibly
talented, gifted children
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or individuals and so
when you see that change
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and when
somebody gets to wake up
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to their own value it
is incredible to watch.
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It's exciting to watch.
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And I think that if
you haven't been around
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at-risk folks and seen that
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you might look at their problems
more than their giftings.
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Well, we've often
said through the years
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when Bill and I
work with the kids,
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almost all of our kids
are gifted in leadership
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and if they're
not leading for good
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they're gonna make a
difference for the wrong.
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So you just have
to get them started.
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And I so
understand that one. Yeah.
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There is nobody
that's junk in our school.
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They're very talented.
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And I think that's
also the excitement
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is to if they can get
their lives turned around
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then they're going to really
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make a difference
in the world. Exactly.
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And we want them to make a
difference positively. Yeah.
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So we prayed
about it for a month
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and then we decided
that we would do the school.
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And it was not something that
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Bill and I'd ever
thought we would do.
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It was not in our plans.
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So--but now that
you had it running,
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what kind of
programs did you set up
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and why did you
set up those programs?
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Because you have a
very successful school.
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When we started out 25 years ago
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we're really right now--
the board asked me to come back.
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I had been retired
for a while, about 6 years
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and asked me to come
back as an interim director.
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And one of the task
was to bring our school
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up-to-date with new research
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and the stuff that
we've been learning
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that's a better
approach in some ways
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but also to look at our
population more carefully
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in terms of a group of related
behaviors that are linked to
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neglect and abuse in
the first from conception
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to the 3rd or 4th
year of their life.
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Because why does
that change somebody?
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You're talking
about the importance
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of the first few years. Yes.
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Medically this is termed
reactive attachment disorder.
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And we have--when a
child-- when a parent calls me
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and they have a five,
six, seven-year-old child
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that needs to be-- or eight,
nine, or ten-year-old child
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that needs to be at our school,
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first thing we ask
them is if they're adopted.
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Most times we'll get a yes.
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And then we ask
them-- excuse me--
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what was happening in the
first three years of their life?
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Excuse me just a second.
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And if we determine that
there was neglect by the--
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the adoptive parents
report neglect or abuse
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then we can be pretty certain
that what basically happens,
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a reactive attachment
disorder is a medical diagnosis.
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But we've tended to label these
kids at our school called VELD,
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Very Early
Learning Deficiency. Right.
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We're not talking
about learning disorder.
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We're talking about a deficiency
that means it can be just like
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if I'm deficient in
multiplication tables,
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I can go back, re-address
that and learn them. Right.
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And in our
experience kids can go back
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and re-address
those and learn them.
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And not only that, the
world experts also see that.
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What's really--
what was said for years
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is a lot of people felt
like you couldn't. Oh, yes.
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And so when--even when I
first went back to school
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because I'm one of those
kids, I went back to school
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and I'm looking at
attachment disorders
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and bonding
disorders and all of what
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I read was pretty
dark, pretty discouraging.
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And I remember God
telling me is "don't read this
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because I am bigger than
these issues." That's right.
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And so now what
the studies are showing
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is there's definitely a deficit.
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You have to learn
this, but you can.
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And you can be
successful in the learning.
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So I love your
program for that reason.
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Well, we are really
right now, Cheri, in a process
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right as we speak
today, this very day
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our staff is embarking upon
an intense month of training
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because the approach needs to be
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a little bit more directed
towards some of those things.
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For instance, we've
often had a group of staff
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that manage the dorms, okay.
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Right. So we hire dorm staff.
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And they would be with--
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just kind of help
manage the group, right.
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Now we understand that
there needs to be a coach.
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And the students need
to have their own coach.
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And the coach is
going to work on--
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and they say the first
task of an infant is trust.
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And I think all these tasks
get really blended together
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so you can't
just go I learn that
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when I go to
the next one. Right.
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But love belonging,
the trust issue to know
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that you are valued,
that holding that baby
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and looking into that
baby's eyes consistently
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through the hours and the day,
up at night when you're having
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to feed them and they are
crying and walking with them,
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that infant cries because
they're either frightened
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or hungry or cold and wet.
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And someone gets up and
meets their need right now.
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And if you have a
parent, a mother figure
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this--the critical person
that does the teaching of those
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learning tasks is a
capable, consistent, caring,
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and strong
protective mother figure.
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And the mother may
never lay a hand on the baby.
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She may never abuse that baby
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but let's say she's in a
domestic violent situation.
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She's terrified and the
baby is getting cigarette burns
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on them or smacked
around or the mother is afraid
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to go to the baby
because the abusive spouse
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says don't go in there.
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Let that baby cry or I
don't want you--you know,
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whatever and so the
baby doesn't get care.
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The babies appear
to have a mother rage.
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They tend to be
really angry at mothers,
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especially at any
mother who would step in
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and try to be the mother.
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And so we have babies--students
come in who cannot--
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they may be okay with the dad
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but they have a hard
time with their mother.
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So they have to re-learn that.
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They have to go back and to
do that it takes a strong person
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who's gonna provide
the consistent mothering
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and facilitate the attachment
and the learn of trust.
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These kids are very
into being in control.
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They will dismantle the
whole world and be in control.
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And they do go to
unbelievable extremes.
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There is a YouTube
video that describes
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this called a "Child Rage."
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And if anybody
wants to go and read that
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or look at that it
describes this kind of kid.
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And we have always had them.
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We just didn't
know what they were.
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What's really, you
know, talking for an advocate
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for the child or for the
kid that learns that is that
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it feels like the only way
that they could actually survive
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and they're
having to be in control
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and nobody's gonna
really take care of my needs
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so I'll take care of them.
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And so it's really being
able to bring that child around
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to where they can relax
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and give that
authority back to the parent.
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Yeah. What I tell a parent is
your child can learn more trust,
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give up control, feel
that he or she belongs,
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then a spastic
cerebral palsy child
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in a wheelchair can get
up and walk. I love that.
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This child is doing what makes
sense to it from its infancy
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when no one was there
for that child. Right.
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Or was not there consistently
and left them confused
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and bewildered and
unable to really give themselves
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to trusting and being
able to relax in the world
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and enjoy and laugh
and know that all was safe
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and all was well because mom
and daddy or even just one momma
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has got my back and I am safe.
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Well, of course, they're
gonna grow into this kind.
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This makes total sense.
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And now our staff is having
to re--they're having to learn
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to look at this differently
and how to handle this.
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Now the stuff that
we do for kids like this
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is just good healthy
parenting though it is not
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normal parenting
necessarily for a person.
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They just say okay,
well, this is how you do it.
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When a child comes in
that's normally attached
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it's a little bit
different story in terms--
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it's just--you don't
necessarily have to focus
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on some of those things.
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But it doesn't
hurt those kids because
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we're talking about consistency.
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We're talking
about loving and valuing.
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We're talking about
being there for them,
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being the
person, showing them that
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the person can discipline
you and still love you
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and that is a
shame-- taking away
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the shame base
and all that stuff.
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Every kid can use that.
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But especially we are
having to become better
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at that for the
sake of the large number
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of these VELD kids,
these very early learning
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deficiency kids that
we have on our campus.
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Even I would like to
look at-- we're gonna break
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because I want to meet
some of the kids because
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I just adore
them and the struggles
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that I think some of these
guys have from really early on,
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you know, is amazing to me.
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So I want to meet some of
the kids but I want to say,
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you know, for you and just
for your opinion for somebody
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that is not a good parent or
hadn't had parenting themselves,
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I know that you would
suggest that they learn because
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this is a critical
time, that it's important
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that you--whatever it takes,
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stand up and really
fight for this child.
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And there are some excellent
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how-to manuals
out there for parents.
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And they're almost
always adoptive parents
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because they've been--
the children have been taking
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either out of orphanages
r they've been taken away
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because they're
drug addicts or whatever.
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We have a couple
of VELD kids that come
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that have a
birth parent involved.
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But yeah, there's
some excellent resources.
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They're coming out now.
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Even though it's a very,
very rarely diagnosed disease--
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amazing--not disease, diagnosed.
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They don't look at it as a
condition, then diagnose it.
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They get it all
mixed up with bipolar
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or oppositional
defiant disorder.
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Yeah, it's--it is
related to what happens
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in those first years of life
and if you can identify neglect,
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just nobody has
to abuse the child,
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just neglect or abuse in
those first three years of life
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and they--the
diagnostic book goes up to five
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but usually--because it's
when the neurons are laid down,
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the actual brain neurons
are laid down for trust in all,
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empathy and a
conscious and right and wrong
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and remorse--they
often don't have any remorse.
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No--no--they don't care
about what they do to people
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and often
called as you mentioned
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to me childhood sociopaths.
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No, no, I guess that was
someone else that said that.
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That's what they
are and it is true.
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The first books written out
said there was no help for them.
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They were beyond help.
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But we know now
that they aren't.
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And praise God, God has
brought these kids to us
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and we are--our
staff is really committed
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to seeing them through.
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You--you--it took you
years and lots of missteps.
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We are hoping to
shorten that time
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so that they can get on
and live that abundant life
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that you have in a quicker time.
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We're gonna go
ahead and break in
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and meet with some of the kids.
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I love them and I
want to say, you know,
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I love how Gayle
talked about that.
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All the research
now says that, you know,
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these are deficits,
learning deficits early on
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that can be re-learned and that
people can step out of those.
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God told me that
almost immediately
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when I first fell in love with
God and was doing some changes.
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He said "just
surrender all this to Me.
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I am actually
going to be your parent."
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And so like any
recovery program the first thing
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is to acknowledge that
you have some huge issues.
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And sometimes
society acknowledges
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that for you but then
surrender to God and learn.
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And so when we
come back I'm gonna
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introduce you some of
the kids and pray for them.
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I mean, just put
them on your prayer list
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for the rest of their life.
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It will help. Amen.
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We'll right back. Thank you.
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