Welcome back!
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Dennielle road off with
her mom to do some Ministry,
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not really, we just realize
that some of the testimony
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that you may hear on
this part of the program
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may be pretty intense.
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So you know she is young
so we decided she probably,
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that it wouldn't be a
good idea for her stay with us.
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But aren't you blessed by her?
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You know even when she
said when I worked with Bo I was
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blessed and she said
even today that some people
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need to know that God loves you.
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You're smoking is not going
to keep God from loving you.
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You're being trashed, your
twisted stuff, your lifestyle,
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God says I will not
stop pursuing you until
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your last breath.
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I will pursue you at
every opportunity I can,
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because My delight, and
this is God speaking to you,
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My delight is your recovery.
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I just want to make that
really clear, and not that He
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likes the smoking,
because it trashes our lungs.
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Drinking like a fish our
liver is going to shut down.
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You know all those
things are so destructive to us,
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but God says I'm not
afraid of those things.
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In fact you are My son
and you are My daughter
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and I love you.
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I just think that the
heart of this little girl,
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does that, it's amazing.
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Now I would like
to introduce Roger.
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Roger is a baby Christian,
and Roger before we get into
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the fact that you have met
Christ, your life has changed
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there is a lot of things that
are new in your life right now.
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I want to know who are you?
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Where did you come from?
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Why is this
important to you now?
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Well, I can say that I
have been living on the streets
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for many years and have
been a lot of bad places.
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Places where I lot
of people will never be.
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- And even when you say
that, because a lot of people
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that watch this program
know that I lived on the streets
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for ten years and so I have
been to some of those places.
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When you talk about bad
places, they can get pretty
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twisted out there, and you
are saying I have been there
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and I know what that looks like.
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It is not very pretty.
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About five years ago I started
realizing this wasn't for me.
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I started changing little
by little and then I started
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seeing these big yellow
patches at some of our parties.
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I didn't know what they
was I just knew they was people
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that wasn't supposed to be there
where I was supposed to be.
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- So you are hanging and
partying with people that are
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a little intent, as far as the
biker lifestyle and all that,
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and so patches start showing up.
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Right! - that cracks me up.
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Before we go, how
long were you out there?
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How long were you doing clubs?
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I mean in bike
clubs, at what age?
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I was probably in my
twenties, twenty five.
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Sixteen years I rode with them.
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- I know that, and we are
not going to get into that,
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but I know what you are
saying is you know what,
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I don't want to
get into all that.
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I don't want to talk about
all that other than to say,
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it was a dark part of my life?
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- Yes - and so now you
are partying, all of a sudden
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you see people around you that
are - different - different!
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To me they were different
because I was on drugs, and
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drunk, all the time, and
I saw these people looking
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over at them and they are
laughing and having a good time.
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I wanted some of it. - Amen!
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But I didn't know how to
get, so I went up to them and
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finally a few of them,
some of the secular rallies,
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which was us.
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They went to all of them, I
used to see them everywhere.
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- So you're like were
just trying to do our thing,
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what are you doing here again?
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Right! - So all the
sudden they are everywhere?
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- Right and it was my job
to go up there and harass them
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and make them feel uncomfortable
- so they would leave?
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- So they would leave, so
they would get away from us
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and wouldn't see
us doing our thing.
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You know, get them away
and that went on for about two
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or three years and
about three years ago...
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- Can I just say what is
really interesting to me,
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because I've been to some
places where all of a sudden
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we're around people are
using drugs and smoking weed,
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doing things that would
not happen in a typical church
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function, but we are there.
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There are people there so that
if anybody ever even wanted to
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say what's up,
what are you doing here?
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That we would have the
opportunity to tell them
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there is a different way.
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You know somebody can
say we don't want you here,
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I know, but we want
to be here. - right!
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And they didn't leave,
they stayed as much stuff as
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I've done to these
people, they stayed.
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- Embarrassing them!
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- They stuck with
me one hundred percent,
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they did not leave me,
they came up to me and I started
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going to their
tents and harassing them.
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Well finally I asked one
of them to pray for me, that
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was about three years
ago, his name was Ron Samples.
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And Rick Wiley -
Pray what? Do you remember
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what the prayer was?
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- Just to make it through
the night, - Just help me.
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Oh yeah, I wasn't
smart enough to know that's
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what I wanted, I wanted
the lifestyle these guys had.
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Deep down inside, but the
other side of me was saying,
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I was not going to
get it because I belong
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to these people.
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- Did you think
you are too far gone?
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I'm too far gone
I'm too far out there?
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You don't know what I
have seen - pretty well!
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That's a whole
thing right there.
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I am ashamed of most things
I have done, but I will tell
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you what, three years
ago, after I started talking to
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these bike guys, they started
praying and finally my Aunt
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asked me to go
to church with her.
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Out of the blue you know and
I am there saying what is this?
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People don't ask me to
go to church, but she did.
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This man here goes
to that church too.
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I didn't know that he did
but we got to meet each other
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and he invited me to CMA.
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- That's a Christian
Motorcycle Association?
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- Yes he didn't know I
already knew all these guys.
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- Because you kept harassing
them - I harass them bad.
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Drunk, drunk, I never hurt
physically or nothing - exactly!
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- But just drunk and
trying to get them out of there.
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What are you doing bugging us?
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- When I went to
church I was nervous,
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just like I am right now,
but these guys stuck with me
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through whatever I went up with.
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I was also hooked on
cocaine for many years.
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- And alcohol to, hey? - I'm
an alcoholic and a drug addict.
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I'm recovered, with
Jesus Christ I'm recovered.
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He is my Lord and
Savior and I love Him,
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and I know He loves me
now, but I will tell you what,
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there was times, after I
was saved, that it was very
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hard to stay away from
the crowds I was with because
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they kept bugging
me and calling me.
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- Let me ask you because
I want to know for someone
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that is so locked in, so
in bondage to all that stuff,
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at what point did you
say, I want God in my life?
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I wanted it to change?
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- A long time ago, I wanted
to say it, I wanted to do it,
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but like I say I was drunk.
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I couldn't get off the stuff.
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- So you are saying through
the years, even before this
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happened periodically, you knew?
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Deep down inside of me
I knew that I wanted Jesus
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Christ in my
life, to be my Savior.
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I just couldn't get the
nerve to ask Him about it.
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I met these guys, and the
Christian Fellowship church
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I go to, but it is wonderful
that these people stuck with me.
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They took me in... - I
bet you could be obnoxious?
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My mouth says things
that I have no idea what I am
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saying sometimes until later.
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I met Ron Samples, first time
I ever I met Ron samples, he is
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the president in our chapter.
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He walked up to me and try
to talk to me and I told him
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I could reach in the
ground and pull Satan
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out of the ground.
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I don't remember saying
that, but he came up to me and
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asked me if I
remember saying that?
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I said yeah, I remember that.
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I felt about two foot tall,
and right then I knew I had
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a getaway from the guys - Amen!
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You got to be done with it.
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- I had to be done with
it, but it was hard to get away
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from these guys
because you can't just get
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out of these clubs.
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- At times they would just
kill you, but it's not just
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I'm done and walking
away, I'm not coming back.
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I don't want to call any
one out, but it is intense.
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- It took me three times to
turn it in, I took my colors
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and handed... - What are
colors because people won't
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know what you are talking about.
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- Colors is what you
respect and we wear on our back
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as a brotherhood - So
it is like patches you
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wear on your back?
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- Right! It is the patches
you where on your back and
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it shows who you
are and what you are.
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- Who you belong to
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- Who you belong to.
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When I first started
with them I thought it was the
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greatest thing in the world.
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I mean I did, I have
a thirty year old son,
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who was seventeen
years old when I brought him
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into the club with me.
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Deep down inside
of me I am dying,
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after I brought him in here.
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I am praying and
everything I can to get him out.
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- Amen because he is
still lost in all that stuff!
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- He is still there
and he is wanting to do it.
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I can't get him, his heart
is where mine was back then.
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He goes and tells them what
I am saying, because that is
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where his heart is,
and that's where mine was.
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I was one hundred percent,
I was one hundred percent
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with these guys
and I loved them.
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Now he does, he
can't figure out how you...
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- This is my family,
these are my brothers.
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Yes, but I am trying hard
to get him out of there and
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praying that with these
Christian riders, I tell you the
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best thing that ever
happened to me in my life is
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when I started going
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to church and accepted
Jesus Christ three years ago.
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And it is a whole different life
for me and like I say last year
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I was baptized in
a little muddy pond.
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I couldn't hardly get my
feet wet because there was mud.
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But it was wonderful,
when I came up that water
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I was - clean - clean, all
my sins was washed away and
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there is no more out
there, they are gone.
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- Did you, can you just
let us know what that feels
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like to know that everything
idea has been forgiven.
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- It is wonderful, it really is.
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- Because you know... -
It was hard for me to admit
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they was gone, I
had to go back twice.
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As a matter of fact, last
Saturday we was at a rally
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and I had to see who I was.
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I was the first one up to
the altar to ask Jesus Christ
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to forgive me for my sins
the last four months and it
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was wonderful, and I mean.
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- For a lot of people
they think that once you
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accept Christ, once
you change lifestyles that
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it happens
overnight and it doesn't.
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What is incredible is that
God is faithful and He says,
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you know what, I
will walk right with you,
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or I will ride right with you.
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You know Satan has been
working on the hard for the last
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two years, he does not
want me to be happy. - Right!
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- He hates it, he wants
me right back in that pit.
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That hellhole I
was in for the last
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fifteen, twenty years,
and I am not going back there,
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and God is not
going to let me go.
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- Amen! - I mean He is not.
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Is it important that
when you walked in the church
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building, just like Daniel
did with Bo, is it important
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that you saw in the
eyes of someone acceptance?
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- Yes, because I have never
been accepted before, until now.
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Now I know what it
feels like and it's great.
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I do not know how else to
explain it, it is the most
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wonderful thing that has
ever happened to me in my life
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is when I accepted Jesus
Christ as my Lord and Savior.
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- So when you, because now
you go on the same runs that
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they used to go on, when
somebody was harassing...
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- I went on a ride with
the club I was in last year.
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Half of them thought I
was still wearing my colors.
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Well I am sitting
there talking to these guys,
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that were badmouthing
us, the CMA, and I walked up
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to them and had this
shirt on and said you mean
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these guys here? - The
Christian motorcyclists
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- and they just went,
their their mouth went,
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when did you put that patch on?
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I said I ride for
Jesus now and their whole
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attitude just changed, I mean.
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- Right because now
it is one of their own.
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- Yeah and I'm still allowed
to go in there and harass
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yeah these guys now
and it is wonderful.
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- I want to say I am proud
of God for what He has done in
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your life, but I am also proud
of you that you allowed that.
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Because we do have a
choice, and you know that your
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whole life you've had a choice.
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Now the choice is, God, whatever
it takes, I want to change.
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I want to be different.
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I want to be, to
stand in Christ forgiven.
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And you have
accepted that into your life,
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that is amazing to me
- one hundred percent!
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- One hundred percent.
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I would like to introduce
you to another person here at
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the Café that I
think is amazing.
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I just wanted to say
thank you for sharing that part
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of your story with us.
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I want to
introduce you to Larry,
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why don't you go
ahead and come up.
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And Larry what is really
going to be interesting is
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I know that you are
excited to even come up
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and tell your story.
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I can feel it in you when
I said to you, do you mind
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saying something, and
you were absolutely, I so am.
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I'm real excited.
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I was a Christian boy and
went into the Army in 1967.
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In 1968 it was the fall
and I just learned about dope.
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As I was getting off the smoke,
I walked into the bathroom
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and looked into the
mirror and the glory of the Lord
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just dissipated from me.
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- You felt that leave - it
left, I seen a visual thing
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that there was no more
light of Christ in me anymore.
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All those years until
about two and a half years ago,
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I drank, I smoked dope,
I did everything other than
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what I knew was right.
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A good Christian man came
to me, I had three insect bites
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that were
infected, I am a diabetic.
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- Were you taking care of
your diabetes in all that time?
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- Trying to - but
drinking like crazy,
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which is
horrible for diabetic's.
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- yeah - and those
three insect bites?
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They were infected and
being a diabetic it was a
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proposition of
looking at amputation,
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or just folding
up and dying with it.
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But a good Christian
man came to me and he said,
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would you like for
me to pray for you?
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I said sure, but he said
you have to return to Christ
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and accept Christ again.
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I repented right there,
and praise the Lord since then
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everything... - but when he
said that Larry, I have just
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say because it is amazing to me
when somebody says that to you,
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you really are confronted
to the very heart of hearts.
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The truth of what he has just
said, and what did you feel?
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I felt a burden leave me
unlike anything else that can
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be described, I went home
and told my mom and sister.
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They said you have
an a glow about you.
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It came back,
it was there again.
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- Amen, so all these years
you were waiting for someone
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to re-open that
door that you had closed?
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- Yes and I kept trying
to fill that empty void with
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everything and
anything I could find,
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mostly the wrong things.
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Well absolutely the wrong
things - drugs and alcohol.
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Drugs, alcohol, relationships,
three bad marriages,
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untold relationships
that never went anywhere,
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that wasn't sanctified by God.
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- So he prays for you
and you come back into a
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relationship with God, and
that is fairly new for you too?
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- Yes - and so how is it going?
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- It is fantastic, I've since
started going to the little
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chapel church
which is a misnomer,
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it is the biggest
thing I've ever seen.
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The people there are wonderful,
the praise and worship
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service during their songs
is like going to a concert.
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The power of the Lord...
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- Because you
want to so sing to God.
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I me when you get save
don't you want to just say,
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I have to
rejoice - yes absolutely.
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What did you think
of Danielle's story?
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What a testimony for such a
young child, you know she is
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amazing, if we would all
start at a tender age like that
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the world would
be a better place.
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- Letting people come back in
- Sure - Letting them sit down.
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- And be not judgmental
and saying well look at him.
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Because we can still say
that for all of us - Sure.
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Look at the tattoos, or
the smoking, or you just
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don't quite look like us or
whatever and God says let Me
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deal with that stuff, because
you don't know this boy's heart.
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- Christ went into the worst
places that He could go to,
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they said you sit and
drink and eat with the sinners.
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He ain't there to look at
the righteous ones, the sinners
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are the ones that
Christ was looking for.
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- He was here today
about your house I think,
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wouldn't that be
the coolest thing?
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That would outstanding,
- To be at our house.
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When it is funny is when
you start thinking about that,
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that why would He hang
out with the worst of us,
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it is because we are so
lost, we are so lost and He said
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I can't even tell
you that I love that boy,
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I love that girl and I
just want to bring them home.
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You not only got into
drugs and alcohol but you went
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through the whole Vietnam thing,
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through the whole war stuff.
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I just feel like when you
started talking that you were
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wounded in so
many different ways?
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- Yes ma'am, you may
leave the war but the war never
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leaves you, it is a
difficult thing, but with Jesus
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in my life, I can do anything.
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- Healing happens - yes it does.
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- It's amazing - it sure is.
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Now I want to say
thank you for sharing.
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I want to bring up, go
ahead and have a seat again,
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and thank you for sharing.
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I want to bring up Dave.
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Because people are talking
Dave, about the Christian
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Motorcycle Association,
so they are talking about you
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guys showing up and the
fact that they walk into a body
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of Christ and see your eyes.
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You are welcoming
them, so tell me who are you,
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is it just here,
who is this group?
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The CMA - yeah!
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Actually our
national headquarters is in
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Hatfield Arkansas.
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The last I heard there was
over 200,000 of us scattered
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throughout the
United States - I love that.
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And overseas and actually
our main goal is to reach the
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secular bikers, that is the
number one thing to get them
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in and get them
to knowing Jesus.
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Like myself it is the greatest
thing that ever happened to me.
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- So where did you come
from, where you in a bike club?
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- No, I just
heard of it and started.
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Actually a friend of
mine in Arkansas has a present
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motorcycle ministry and he
said, I hadn't ridden in years,
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he said you need to get
you a motorcycle and I said,
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you're kidding?
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He said you need to
get a Harley, I said whoa.
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I said in 1963 I sold a
1954 model, fully dressed,
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Harley Davidson for $250.
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Guess what they want
for one of them today?
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- What do they want for one?
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For that particular one,
that was a first year for a
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hand front clutched shift
for Harley, it's a collector's
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item and they are worth
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20 or 30 thousand dollars,
but anyway I guess you didn't
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know me well enough, but
to ask me to come up here.
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When I accepted Jesus
I lost 80 percent of my
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vocabulary, I had to learn
to speak all over again. - ouch!
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I was an alcoholic - and
when you say that, I think
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people think that is a joke,
but it is probably real serious.
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- I'm serious - so alcoholic,
cussing and all that stuff.
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My sweet wife prayed for
me for twenty three years.
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She said, Lord change him,
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and finally she
said Lord help him.
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Two nights later she
got the call, I was in jail,
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I had shot a man in a bar.
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She stayed with me
and that is what it took.
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God finally said okay, now I
am going to get your attention.
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You see I was twenty
three years telling her I don't
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have a problem with alcohol,
I can quit anytime I want to.
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When I am standing in front
of that judge with my hands
00:22:09.16\00:22:11.67
cuffed behind me, "we charge
you with attempted murder".
00:22:11.70\00:22:14.18
I said, I think
I've got a problem.
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- finally gets
through our heads.
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- That's what it took,
God had to slap me down to get
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my attention and then I said,
what do You want, I'm listening.
00:22:20.77\00:22:23.40
- we start promising Him
anything, You get me out of
00:22:23.44\00:22:28.29
this one and I promise You -
I mean I told people even then
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in 1974, I said if I can't have
more fun being a Christian then
00:22:32.90\00:22:37.41
I did being in the bars, then
I would go back to the bars.
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And guess what, the only
time I've been in a bar is on
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a poker run to get a Coke
or something - you are funny.
00:22:43.13\00:22:46.13
I actually have a
ball being a Christian.
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I just love it and
this guy will tell you what,
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I love this guy.
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When he came into your
church what did you think,
00:22:54.94\00:22:56.97
and what were your
prayers like for him?
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For Roger? - Yeah!
- When Roger came in?
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Well Lord, just like me,
you know where he is and You
00:23:04.14\00:23:11.65
can change him, it
is just that simple.
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So you didn't just walk up
and start pointing out all the
00:23:13.96\00:23:16.30
things that need to be changed?
00:23:16.33\00:23:17.69
No! God knew what they
was, He didn't need my help.
00:23:17.73\00:23:20.99
Well you know we
think we need to do that.
00:23:21.02\00:23:23.88
I have to speed things along.
00:23:23.91\00:23:26.07
- No! I just asked, Lord you
take care of it, there it is.
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And that is what it was
with me, as my buddy said,
00:23:30.09\00:23:33.49
he was an
enforcer for the Mafia.
00:23:33.52\00:23:36.09
Now he has a Prison
Motorcycle Ministry.
00:23:36.13\00:23:38.26
He said, Lord, I'm
just a pile of trash here,
00:23:38.30\00:23:41.28
if You really
want it, I'm Yours.
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That is kind of the way I
felt, we know where we were.
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Every one of us knows
where we came from and what a
00:23:47.50\00:23:51.21
blessing it is to
be where we are - Amen!
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How incredible is it to
really know who you are?
00:23:53.94\00:23:57.67
I know who I am, and I
know that I brought nothing to
00:23:57.70\00:24:00.83
Christ and yet He said,
the I'm going to re-create and
00:24:00.86\00:24:03.95
restore in you
everything because I love you.
00:24:03.99\00:24:06.88
Well I know I
have a home in heaven.
00:24:06.92\00:24:10.08
I know my friends are
all going to be there.
00:24:10.11\00:24:12.53
I know my soul-mate over
here, that I love very much,
00:24:12.57\00:24:14.79
is going to be there.
00:24:14.82\00:24:15.85
- Because your wife,
you ride with your wife...
00:24:15.88\00:24:17.44
- That little gal
prayed for me all those years
00:24:17.47\00:24:19.07
and she still does.
00:24:19.11\00:24:20.14
She rides with me and I am
blessed with a motorcycle it
00:24:20.17\00:24:23.63
has two cruise controls,
one is on the handlebars,
00:24:23.67\00:24:26.27
and one sits behind me and
says, your getting too fast.
00:24:26.30\00:24:28.41
- That is too funny!
00:24:28.45\00:24:31.43
But actually the greatest
thing that God threw all my
00:24:31.47\00:24:34.23
sins into the
sea of forgetfulness.
00:24:34.27\00:24:36.82
I don't have any because
they're all gone - Incredible.
00:24:36.85\00:24:39.52
All of the things that I
have done, He doesn't remember,
00:24:39.56\00:24:42.19
and I don't
remember, I try not to.
00:24:42.23\00:24:44.62
It is just a fantastic
walk and having all these
00:24:44.66\00:24:49.66
Christian Brothers to ride with.
00:24:49.70\00:24:51.30
If you have a problem
call Roger up and say, man,
00:24:51.34\00:24:53.76
I got a problem,
and are you busy?
00:24:53.80\00:24:55.58
I haven't had heard him yet
to say, no, what do you need.
00:24:55.62\00:24:58.51
That is what it is all about.
00:24:58.55\00:25:01.04
We just want the secular
bikers to know how great it is,
00:25:01.07\00:25:05.52
for us, how much fun we
really have, how much love
00:25:05.56\00:25:09.57
we really share for each other.
00:25:09.61\00:25:11.25
- I know that there are
some secular bikers watching
00:25:11.29\00:25:14.57
this program, so could you
talk to them, could you say,
00:25:14.61\00:25:17.86
I want to tell you
something, what would it be?
00:25:17.89\00:25:21.43
I can tell them that regardless
of how much fun you think
00:25:21.46\00:25:25.13
you are having, come ride
with us for a month and we'll
00:25:25.17\00:25:28.81
change your mind completely.
00:25:28.84\00:25:30.68
We will turn you around,
and not just us but you will see
00:25:30.71\00:25:34.40
the peace and the love
that God has given through us.
00:25:34.43\00:25:38.08
- The
restoration of your families.
00:25:38.11\00:25:39.51
- the restoration of
our families, our kin.
00:25:39.54\00:25:42.23
It is the greatest thing
that ever happened to me.
00:25:42.26\00:25:46.16
I didn't know the Lord
till I was 46 years old,
00:25:46.20\00:25:50.03
and I regret that I lost
all those years in there,
00:25:50.07\00:25:52.97
when I could
have been serving Him.
00:25:53.00\00:25:54.32
But now I hope I have the
opportunity to make up for a
00:25:54.35\00:25:58.76
lot of that when I get a
chance to witness to people.
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Again I just, your family
is closer, my granddaughter is
00:26:06.69\00:26:14.52
coming up to me and
says, Pa Pa, I love you.
00:26:14.55\00:26:17.34
Now that is one of
the greatest things that
00:26:17.38\00:26:20.13
any man can have. - Right!
00:26:20.17\00:26:21.48
I have thirteen grandchildren,
I have twelve great
00:26:21.51\00:26:24.81
grandchildren, and I
am one blessed person.
00:26:24.85\00:26:27.64
- For most of us what is really
that a lot of people don't
00:26:27.68\00:26:30.25
realize, for most of us
with our drinking and all of
00:26:30.28\00:26:32.73
our junk, we literally destroy
our bodies and half the time
00:26:32.77\00:26:35.52
don't live long
enough to see grandchildren.
00:26:35.56\00:26:37.51
When Larry was talking
about being diabetic and having
00:26:37.55\00:26:41.26
parts of his body, they were
thinking of amputating parts
00:26:41.30\00:26:44.98
of his body
because of the diabetes.
00:26:45.02\00:26:46.54
But God saves us from
all that stuff and says,
00:26:46.58\00:26:50.96
let Me just
walk you into health.
00:26:50.99\00:26:52.59
Some of us still have
to live our consequences,
00:26:52.62\00:26:54.97
but most the time
He puts His hand on us
00:26:55.00\00:26:57.15
and restores all that.
00:26:57.18\00:26:58.61
He gives us our health back.
00:26:58.64\00:26:59.99
He gives us our families back.
00:27:00.02\00:27:01.30
He gives us our
mind back, somewhat!
00:27:01.34\00:27:03.75
Well like I said, He
took the alcohol away,
00:27:03.79\00:27:07.91
He took the nicotine away
and 80 percent of my vocabulary.
00:27:07.94\00:27:13.35
It has just been great
for me, I am enjoying it.
00:27:13.38\00:27:18.05
I really enjoy it, I enjoy
going to church and I enjoy
00:27:18.09\00:27:22.30
going to CMA, and just
telling people about Jesus.
00:27:22.34\00:27:26.20
Of course I am always
telling jokes, I spend half my
00:27:26.24\00:27:30.07
time doing that,
but I enjoy that too.
00:27:30.10\00:27:32.25
- You can tell some good ones!
00:27:32.29\00:27:33.41
I like seeing people laugh,
I think that is part of it.
00:27:33.44\00:27:36.41
Like I said if you can't have
a little fun being a Christian,
00:27:36.45\00:27:39.97
go back to
whatever you was doing.
00:27:40.01\00:27:42.01
When Christ got a hold
of you, when you realize,
00:27:42.05\00:27:46.01
you know what I'm done,
what was Darleen's response?
00:27:46.05\00:27:49.98
What was your
children's response because,
00:27:50.01\00:27:51.61
where they home at that time?
00:27:51.65\00:27:52.83
Were they still home or
were they off and married?
00:27:52.86\00:27:55.33
- Some of them were, yes.
00:27:55.36\00:27:56.39
We had one daughter married
and actually one of the best
00:27:56.42\00:27:59.58
testimonies I really can
half, I had a real good friend
00:27:59.62\00:28:02.83
that I used to drink with.
00:28:02.87\00:28:03.90
He came through, I live in
Tuscola, Illinois and he came
00:28:03.93\00:28:08.30
through and got a
motel when he called me.
00:28:08.33\00:28:10.25
I said I will be down
there in a little bit.
00:28:10.28\00:28:12.13
So I walked in and he is
expecting me to come in with
00:28:12.16\00:28:14.70
a fifth a whiskey
or a case of beer.
00:28:14.73\00:28:16.31
I walk in with a
thermos of coffee.
00:28:16.34\00:28:17.88
He said, what are you doing?
00:28:17.92\00:28:19.32
I said, I need to
tell you something.
00:28:19.35\00:28:20.45
He said, what's that?
00:28:20.49\00:28:21.60
I said, well I met Jesus
Christ and my life has changed.
00:28:21.64\00:28:24.23
You're kidding?
00:28:24.26\00:28:25.68
No, one other thing, I'm
going to prison Monday. - Ouch!
00:28:25.71\00:28:30.22
- Were you sentenced to
prison, did you actually go?
00:28:30.26\00:28:33.95
Oh, I went to prison as
a spirit-filled Christian.
00:28:33.98\00:28:37.64
- Ministering to everybody
00:28:37.67\00:28:41.03
- They didn't know
what to do with me because
00:28:41.06\00:28:42.78
everything they said to me,
00:28:42.81\00:28:43.87
all they could get out
of me was praise the Lord!
00:28:43.90\00:28:45.36
They wasn't expecting that.
00:28:45.39\00:28:46.54
But anyway I shared with
this man about three hours,
00:28:46.58\00:28:50.07
her and I did, and he said,
00:28:50.11\00:28:51.96
when you get out
of prison call me.
00:28:52.00\00:28:53.48
So he lives in Louisiana,
so I called him and we went
00:28:53.51\00:28:56.22
He is singing with
the gospel singing group.
00:28:58.96\00:29:01.06
So the next time I go
down he has a church at the
00:29:01.09\00:29:04.60
trailer court that he owns.
00:29:04.63\00:29:05.97
Now he has a big
church that he is building,
00:29:06.01\00:29:08.39
and I said man what
brought all of this on.
00:29:08.42\00:29:10.73
He said, well I told my
wife if God can change that man,
00:29:10.77\00:29:13.70
He can change anybody.
00:29:13.73\00:29:15.08
- Woo Hoo, alright!
00:29:15.12\00:29:16.35
Give me five on that!
00:29:16.38\00:29:17.54
For some of us that is a
witness to every single person
00:29:17.58\00:29:22.89
around us. - Yep!
00:29:22.93\00:29:24.53
Yeah, he has a big church
now and I just praise God for
00:29:24.57\00:29:27.90
that, but if that is what
it took, just one person to
00:29:27.94\00:29:31.24
come around and now he is
reaching people. - Exactly!
00:29:31.28\00:29:34.75
Everybody is reaching people,
Roger is reaching people.
00:29:34.79\00:29:39.67
And they can see the
change in us, if they can't see,
00:29:39.71\00:29:44.53
actually all these bikers
here, we are the only Jesus that
00:29:44.56\00:29:49.94
a lot of people is going to see.
00:29:49.98\00:29:51.78
They are not going to church
00:29:51.82\00:29:54.13
- People are afraid of them.
00:29:54.17\00:29:56.41
We are the only Jesus
they are actually going to see.
00:29:56.45\00:29:59.27
If we don't live our lives
to the point where they can
00:29:59.30\00:30:02.13
see something that we have,
that they would like to have,
00:30:02.17\00:30:04.96
then we are not doing it right.
00:30:05.00\00:30:06.33
Exactly! You know to me,
a lot of times when you say
00:30:06.37\00:30:09.65
you take a ride to
Sturgis or some place like that,
00:30:09.69\00:30:12.94
and you are amongst everybody
kind of partying and just
00:30:12.98\00:30:16.24
being crazy, is that
most of us are afraid of that.
00:30:16.28\00:30:19.89
We see 15 or 20 bikes
ride down the street and people
00:30:19.93\00:30:23.51
are locking their doors,
00:30:23.55\00:30:24.69
it's like what
is happening here?
00:30:24.73\00:30:26.32
That is the very
place you want to be - yes!
00:30:26.36\00:30:29.89
Well actually the Blessing
of the Bikes at Bald Knob
00:30:29.92\00:30:33.57
every year, our local chapter.
00:30:33.60\00:30:35.40
- What is that, I've heard
that, the Blessing of the Bikes?
00:30:35.44\00:30:38.25
It is a sticker that we put
on the bike, we pray for the
00:30:38.28\00:30:41.06
bike, we pray for the
rider, for safety for them.
00:30:41.09\00:30:44.69
We have outlaw bikers,
we have secular bikers,
00:30:44.73\00:30:48.29
we have all kinds
to show up for this.
00:30:48.33\00:30:50.21
I suspect they come up
for the Road Kill Stew,
00:30:50.25\00:30:53.04
but they also get a sticker.
00:30:53.07\00:30:55.42
- I don't even want to
ask what Road Kill Stew is.
00:30:55.45\00:30:59.28
That scares me, I'm not
trying to be vegetarian.
00:30:59.31\00:31:03.11
I'm bringing my
own meal if I come.
00:31:03.14\00:31:06.22
Well it's just, actually
it's very good chili stew,
00:31:06.25\00:31:11.01
but we call it Road Kill Stew
and that gets them up there.
00:31:11.05\00:31:13.83
You know you are talking,
how many people come up,
00:31:13.87\00:31:17.12
because I was
surprised by the numbers?
00:31:17.15\00:31:18.74
This year I think we had
3,400 bikes up there, and last
00:31:18.78\00:31:24.66
year we had over 5,000
and had all kinds of them turn
00:31:24.70\00:31:30.55
around because they
couldn't get up there.
00:31:30.58\00:31:32.22
The whole mountain was
full, the road was full, and the
00:31:32.26\00:31:35.42
bikes were getting hot
so they had to turn around.
00:31:35.45\00:31:37.75
- For people, it was interesting
to me and you guys know
00:31:37.79\00:31:40.53
this because you have
been there, is that for people
00:31:40.56\00:31:43.27
that come up and
say, I don't know anything
00:31:43.30\00:31:47.06
about anything,
but I need a blessing.
00:31:47.10\00:31:49.62
I think that may be the
first time for some of these
00:31:49.65\00:31:52.64
folks that someone has prayed,
because you gather around
00:31:52.68\00:31:55.14
them and pray for them,
pray for their bikes, pray for
00:31:55.17\00:31:57.60
their riding,
pray for their safety.
00:31:57.63\00:31:59.26
I think it is interesting their
heart is drawn towards that.
00:31:59.29\00:32:03.14
It is fun because I think
how many lives are changed,
00:32:03.18\00:32:06.53
we don't get to know
most of the time - we don't.
00:32:06.57\00:32:09.85
The thing with me as if I
can reach a biker, and he can
00:32:09.89\00:32:16.33
go to my church, I'd love
it, but to get him in a church
00:32:16.36\00:32:22.77
where there is people
that is going to help him,
00:32:22.81\00:32:25.59
not just say well now
that you have met Jesus,
00:32:25.63\00:32:28.38
you are on your own.
00:32:28.41\00:32:29.75
I think they need the fellowship
and they need to be led
00:32:29.79\00:32:33.59
for a while until they
can really get into it.
00:32:33.62\00:32:36.81
You know my heart breaks when
I hear that because for one,
00:32:36.84\00:32:41.45
for a lot of these guys, Roger
kind of said the same thing,
00:32:41.49\00:32:46.07
is that from a
little kid I am acting out.
00:32:46.10\00:32:50.21
I'm in these clubs, I'm
doing drugs and all that stuff.
00:32:50.25\00:32:52.71
I don't know how to
act, you say 80 percent of my
00:32:52.74\00:32:55.31
language is this, so if I
am not mentored, and not being
00:32:55.34\00:32:59.15
walked along, I'm in trouble.
00:32:59.18\00:33:01.59
I have to have somebody say,
this is how you deal with anger.
00:33:01.62\00:33:05.03
This is how you
deal with your language.
00:33:05.06\00:33:07.29
You know what, that joke
is funny but you might want to
00:33:07.32\00:33:10.74
hold off on telling that
because, because if you like
00:33:10.77\00:33:14.16
telling jokes, the
jokes from the bar are not
00:33:14.19\00:33:16.67
good for potluck at church.
00:33:16.71\00:33:18.45
Well the guy down in
Louisiana that has a church, he
00:33:18.48\00:33:23.14
used to say he didn't
have to come into a bar
00:33:23.18\00:33:25.28
to see if I was there.
00:33:25.31\00:33:26.34
He could open the door
and hear me cussing, so they
00:33:26.37\00:33:28.91
didn't have to walk
in. - That is too funny!
00:33:28.94\00:33:32.23
I had a bad mouth
and I didn't realize it.
00:33:32.27\00:33:35.49
- So it is like you been
able to say that you are going
00:33:35.53\00:33:38.55
to go out, your heart says
I am not going to stop doing
00:33:38.59\00:33:41.53
this until I stop breathing,
but now I have to have
00:33:41.56\00:33:44.18
a body of Christ that
lets them come in the door.
00:33:44.21\00:33:46.79
And not writing
notes to the Pastor saying,
00:33:46.83\00:33:49.04
look what that guy
is wearing in the back.
00:33:49.07\00:33:51.24
Let them come in the door.
00:33:51.28\00:33:53.40
Oh yeah, invite them in and
of course I think Roger will
00:33:53.43\00:33:58.68
have to agree when I ask
him to go to CMA with me.
00:33:58.72\00:34:02.08
First off he
doesn't want to - really?
00:34:02.12\00:34:04.91
But then Ron and our riders
grabbed him and hugged him
00:34:04.95\00:34:10.00
and said welcome, and I think
that blew you away, didn't it?
00:34:10.03\00:34:13.63
And they were serious, they
were very serious and glad to
00:34:13.66\00:34:17.22
see him there. - Right!
00:34:17.25\00:34:18.40
So once you said that,
and once he did come realizing
00:34:18.44\00:34:21.92
that you belong
here, you belong here.
00:34:21.96\00:34:24.97
You are our brother in Christ.
00:34:25.01\00:34:27.65
You are our friend in Ministry.
00:34:27.69\00:34:30.27
We want to stand and
affirm you and stand you up.
00:34:30.30\00:34:33.84
Teach you how to literally
go out and rescue the very
00:34:33.88\00:34:37.35
people that are putting us down,
trying to get us out of there.
00:34:37.39\00:34:42.32
So we are going to teach
you to do that because that's
00:34:42.35\00:34:45.26
what are gig is, we are
going to disciple you here.
00:34:45.29\00:34:49.75
That's right, I had my
very best friend was an enforcer
00:34:49.79\00:34:54.22
for the Mafia 16 years.
00:34:54.25\00:34:55.68
He has a Motorcycle Prison
Ministry, this man was tough.
00:34:55.71\00:35:00.20
But it does me good to stand
him up and put my arms around
00:35:00.23\00:35:04.68
him and say, man, we love you.
00:35:04.72\00:35:07.24
Now that to me, being a
man, that's being a Christian,
00:35:07.28\00:35:11.16
because we really do,
anyone of us would do anything,
00:35:11.19\00:35:15.14
and I think a lot of people
would think, men are crazy,
00:35:15.17\00:35:19.08
but that is the way we feel.
00:35:19.12\00:35:20.63
Same way with
Roger, man I love you
00:35:20.66\00:35:23.20
- Call me if you need me.
00:35:23.23\00:35:25.54
If you are having a struggle
I don't care what time it is.
00:35:25.58\00:35:28.59
- We are here if you
need us, that is our motto.
00:35:28.62\00:35:30.35
So it does not make any
difference what the problem is.
00:35:30.39\00:35:34.00
If you're bike is broke
down, if you need me call me.
00:35:34.03\00:35:37.61
Don't you want the
whole Church to do that?
00:35:37.65\00:35:40.30
- I'd like everybody
to do that, this would be
00:35:40.34\00:35:42.96
a lot better
world for us. - Exactly!
00:35:42.99\00:35:44.26
You know if they are
starting as young as Danielle,
00:35:44.29\00:35:46.87
maybe someday the whole Church
will be that, will do that.
00:35:46.91\00:35:51.60
That's right you know the
children - they are going to
00:35:51.63\00:35:56.29
lead us, that is
what Christ says.
00:35:56.32\00:35:57.51
I want to say
thanks for sharing with us.
00:35:57.54\00:36:02.24
Thanks for doing what you do.
00:36:02.28\00:36:03.47
Thanks for
responding to the heart of God.
00:36:03.51\00:36:05.74
It was my pleasure and I
loved every minute of it.
00:36:05.78\00:36:09.09
Amen! We are going to
go ahead and be right back.
00:36:09.13\00:36:12.38
It is amazing to me when I
look at God is comfortable in
00:36:12.41\00:36:17.98
places where we
wouldn't even know how to be.
00:36:18.02\00:36:20.22
Don't even know how to
stand and God says I am so
00:36:20.25\00:36:22.75
comfortable there, I am
so comfortable drawing them.
00:36:22.79\00:36:26.76
God says I delight in
that, I do back flips in that.
00:36:26.79\00:36:30.69
So once I sit with them, once
I draw them, once they accept
00:36:30.73\00:36:35.86
My forgiveness, they just
have to come in the building
00:36:35.89\00:36:39.05
because that is the next step.
00:36:39.09\00:36:40.18
We just have to let them in.
00:36:40.22\00:36:41.25
We will be right
back, stay with us!
00:36:41.28\00:36:42.77