Welcome back!
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You know I'm hoping
what this testimony does,
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what this story does,
what this journey does,
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is help you to not
ever look at the Pastor or
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somebody in ministry.
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Somebody that you put
up on a pedestal and think
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you know who they are.
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Because God is helping
everyone of us to stand,
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to walk through this
journey, to get over our junk,
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to get out of, like
Pastor Ken, his addiction.
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It's amazing that we get
to have these incredible men
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and women of God
sitting in front of us,
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but sometimes I'm saying,
if you can, pray for them.
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I wanted to find out by Ken's
wife did she know all this?
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Did you know all this?
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- no I didn't
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- none
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- no.
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I knew that Ken had been
in trouble before, but when we
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got together he was 19 and
I was 27 and had 4 children.
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My oldest was 13, so
there wasn't quite a bit of
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difference between them,
but there was between us.
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I had not done the drug
scene, I was too busy having
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babies- right!
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So you're busy telling
him, you know what you have
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to be done with this
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- right, that's right.
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- the story you told me on
the break about his parents,
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when his mom met you, I
think that is hysterical
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because you were not
without your own issues,
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you just hadn't done the Meth.
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Yep, I smoked, I drank,
I cussed and here was this
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Christian lady that I
volunteered her to stay at my
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house and I must've terrified
her at the time because
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years later she told me
that she had the whole Church
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praying that we
wouldn't make it.
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- because now he's with
this older woman who is not
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a Christian, or
were you a Christian?
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No - oh man, and so your
mom was hoping that you would
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find your way back.
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And it is funny because
when you said Sherry, that you
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come in with all this stuff
I bet they were just dying.
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You know I went to California
to work for logger when
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I met Sherry, and I brought
her actually back to meet my
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mother, but I was
with Sherry's sister.
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So there is a more confusing
thing then that, when it
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switched around and
turned the other way, her sister
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was younger than me and
Sherry is older than me.
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I think my mom thinks wow,
which way is her son going?
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She is wanting me to get
back with God in my life and
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she thought I was going
way the wrong direction.
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So you know to me how did
you guys, and only because
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of time, how did
you guys get married?
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Get into
Ministry, how did God lead?
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It just seems right now
real crazy, real mixed up and
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yet I know you stepped
into Ministry because every
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time I have met you
that is where you have been.
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- well you know the
thing was every time I would
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be around Ken's mother,
she was an awesome lady and
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still is an awesome
lady, a Christian lady.
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I would think wow, I
would like to be like her.
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Then that led us back to
church and we would be in
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and out of church constantly.
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Then the drug
issue started again
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- because he would relapse
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- he would relapse and he would
disappear sometimes, well a
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couple times you were
gone for 3 months at a time.
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Our daughter got
killed in a car wreck.
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We was going
back to church then.
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Ken had left home, we
were separated for 3 months
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and he came home and she
was killed in a matter of a
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couple months after that.
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I think God led him back
home because He knew I couldn't
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handle all that without Ken.
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- I can't imagine having
to go through that, even with
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all the support, being
right in the lap of God, but you
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went through that in the
middle of all this chaos.
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- there was a lot of
partying, and drinking
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- and your daughter was
using when she was killed.
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Yeah, she was using too.
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We moved from California
to Arkansas because we thought
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that would be Ken away
from the drugs, well it is worse
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in Arkansas, and
then he disappeared again.
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At that point I had had enough.
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I was going back
to California and
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I didn't want anymore.
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Ken called me from a
motel in town and asked if
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he could come home, and
I said I really don't care.
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- I'm done, I
can't do this again.
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He came home.
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You know I came home and
I remember when I called you
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that night, how I
knew my life is over.
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This wasn't the first time that
this it happened multiple times.
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I hadn't been faithful to
you on more than one occasion.
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I thought well
Lord, I've hit the bottom.
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What am I going to do?
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In a motel room I prayed
and asked God to help me.
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Of course I was coming
down from being on Meth for
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several days and I got
home and said hello to you.
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We had hardly said
anything, she had nothing to say
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to me, and I walked
back into the bedroom and
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I picked up this
Bible and I opened it up.
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It just opened up to
right where I am right now.
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I said God help
me what do I need?
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Then I went to of all
places the Chronicles,
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some people say, wow,
what can you find there?
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I found so much there, my
Bible is just marked up there.
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It is the place
that my life changed.
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When I really came to
the conclusion of where
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I needed to be with God.
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That He was my
friend and He would help me.
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And I read this line in
chapter 15, and it says, in
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verse 2, and I'm not
going to read the whole thing.
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Is talking about
King Asa, but it says,
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"The Lord is with you,
while would you be with him" and
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it goes on to say, "if
you seek him, he will be found
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of you; but if you forsake
him, he will forsake you. "
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You see I hadn't had God
in my life, not in a serious
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way - right!
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Not in a serious way.
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I thought back to when I
was 18 and I wanted to be a
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minister and here now my life
I knew my marriage was finished.
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I knew it was going to be over.
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In the previous chapter
it talks how it is nothing
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for God to help
those with no power.
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I had no power over this
drug, over this addiction,
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over the alcohol, over
all the different things.
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I didn't have any power...
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- in lie of your whole life was
this drug it was going to give
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you power, and you're at
the place saying it was a lie
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the whole time
because I'm losing everything.
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I've lost everything.
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- well you know Ken
came out of the bedroom and
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he told me he had read
that and said, will you stay
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if I get counseling?
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I said I don't know if I can.
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I have been hurt too
many times, and he asked me if
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I would make the appointment.
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I said no - you
have got to do it,
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I can't keep doing this for you.
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I said if you want
it, you do it yourself.
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He did and we went to some
counseling sessions a couple
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times, but it's been an
awesome ride ever since.
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- because you know
what he was serious then.
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Yes, you know I look
Cheri, and I know how much
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I hurt my wife
because of an addiction I had.
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But when I really realized
if I would take the time
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to keep you know
God, get to know Jesus.
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It took me back to
where I mention Morris Venden,
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that was his message.
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Jesus can be your best
friend, but it is going to
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take your time, it is
going to take something of an
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effort for that to happen.
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I have found since then,
there is no high like the
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high that comes
from knowing Jesus.
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From spending time in the Bible.
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He said, if you seek Me,
you will find Me and I took
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Him up on that and we
started going back to church.
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- in the high, even for
people that don't know too.
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The high in the
restoration of your family,
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the high in all the
sudden really being there as a
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parent to your children,
all of a sudden life becomes,
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instead of an illusion
that I am happy and everything
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is in control, I literally
am given my life by Christ.
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I get to see the love
relationship of my spouse grow.
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The trust in my children grow.
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The trust and my
parents again come back.
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All that kind of stuff
that God says let Me give you
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something that is
real to hold onto now.
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- Will it takes a while
for that trust to come back.
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There is many times when
he was a little bit late from
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work I would get
that sick feeling again.
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Here we go again.
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Even my kids, our kids
would go how long is it
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going to last this time mom?
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Because they had no
faith in Ken either, because
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he had hurt them too
so many times by falling.
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But now, they
are so proud of him.
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So, so then, God is
restoring your family,
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restoring all that and
then He is literally pushing
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you out to step into Ministry.
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What did that
look like you guys?
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You know the Pastor that
was at the church, when I got
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into Ministry, was a
man named Jerry Mays.
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He had a belief
that God can use anybody.
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God can use lay people
and part of that I think he,
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how do I say it, when I
get into doing something
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I want to do it.
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He saw that drive and an
opportunity came for me to
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Pastor, actually Jim Gilley was
the president of the conference.
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When I say conference
some people wouldn't know,
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he was in charge of
who would be Pastor,
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and he gave me that
opportunity to be a Pastor.
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I was a Bible
Vocational Pastor for almost
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4 years in Arkansas.
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It was a lot of challenges.
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You give a 100% no
matter what side you are on.
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You know I lived here at my
church was 50 miles this way
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and the work I did was
50 miles the other way.
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I got into it and
wanted to work for the Lord.
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I have to stress this
one point, I began to have
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relationship on a daily basis.
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When I say
relationship I mean I spent time
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in the Bible.
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I spent time by just
reading it and saying,
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God what are you
trying to say to me?
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Speak to me.
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Open my eyes.
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And prayer is part of that.
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Letting Him speak
to me, and you are in
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prayer talking to Him.
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He just changed my life.
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The minute I stepped
into the water and wanted to
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follow Him, and was faithful
to Him, just like He says,
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here seek Him and I will
find Him and if I forsake Him,
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and I think that
means if I don't seek Him.
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If I don't make that
decision that I want Him as a
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friend, you see I
knew I needed Him.
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Morris Venden would say,
one of the things you asked,
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how do you get to know
God, by spending time with Him.
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Well what else, that's it.
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By spending time with Him.
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By getting to know Him
just like anybody else.
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You get to know your spouse
by spending time with them.
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Same thing with
Christ, as a result of that
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He can shine through you.
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In my ministry, my
desire is to reach out to people
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with addictions, and
people with problems.
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In my church anybody is welcome.
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Greatest words I heard,
there is a girl who stood up
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in church last week and
she said, I'm in recovery from
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crack cocaine and I
haven't had it for year.
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I haven't done it, Praise God!
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- I met that girl - you met her.
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I will tell you we had
just met her and wrapped our
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arms around her,
because that is what Jesus does.
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He says I can help you and
He pulls you in and He wraps
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His arms, I don't care
if you're in the gutter.
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In fact one person in a
church we Pastored says,
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I want somebody to Pastor
that's been in the gutter.
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And Sherry says, well
that's us because we have.
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We know these problems.
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She was talking to somebody
else from off the street
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there, when we was
feeding the hungry, we met her.
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Bad area of town, shootings
and stuff all the time, and
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she was telling another
person I belong to this church.
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Now she's not a member or
anything, but her attitude
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and feeling is, I
am were I've belong.
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You see that is what God
has called me into Ministry,
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because of my recovery,
because of me knowing Christ,
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because of the importance
of the Bible and now my job.
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Remember what I said
about the trees, my job of an
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apple tree is to reproduce
apple trees so that I can
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wrap my arms around
other people like Jesus wrapped
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His arms around me.
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- and let
somebody else wrap around.
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Yeah, and take them
and except them where they
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are at and say hey we
are going to help you even
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if you fall down.
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I have to say this, I
don't know how to say this.
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The same girl, in one of
the church lesson studies
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where it is interactive,
here she is in a group like
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this and she says, she talks
about she's turning tricks.
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- you know what I think it
gets funny because somebody
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that she was in that same
study said to me, you know I
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think she was saying
that she still has Johns.
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She still has clients.
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They are trying to wrap
their minds around that.
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What is she doing
in Sabbath school?
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Yeah, but God forgave
Mary Magdalene 7 times and
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we told them, you
have to forgive her too.
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What is really interesting
to me is because I think you
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have been there, and know
what it feels like to fall,
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is that you are literally
saying, fall this direction.
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Because there is going to
be a day you will walk away
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from all this.
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She is one of the
greatest helps we have in
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that church, she loves God.
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- she's still not
turning tricks today?
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- well I threaten her, if
you need money come see me.
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I feel as a Pastor my
job is to protect people.
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The Bible talks about
the wheat and the tares and
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how they grow
together in the church.
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And the dragnet, it talks
about bringing all the fish in,
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my responsibility is to
bring people in, let them see
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the love of God, hopefully
through me, hopefully through
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my wife and our Ministry.
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To nurture them, and
to hold onto them, and to
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pick them up, you see
I can't change anybody.
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There were so many
people the church that wanted to
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change me, if we had the
time I could talk of people
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who were, Ron Halverson Sr,
from Gangs to God, he came from
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the gangs of Brooklyn he's
my best friend, because he has
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been there for me to help me.
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You talk Pastors need prayer
and stuff, oh yeah they do.
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The struggles and
stuff we go through,
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we are constantly helping
others in their addictions
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and different
things, but what about us?
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I got people to pray for
me - to mentor you - yes.
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- That's incredible.
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It has been an awesome ride.
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- you know it's not
over yet which is fun.
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I'm going to open
it up for questions.
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Because I know that
there are people that want
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to ask you guys some questions.
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I want to start
right here with Carolina.
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Yes I have a question.
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When I was 15 years
old I had a cousin and
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he died of a drug addiction.
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He died of an overdose
and that really touched me
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so I understand how
painful it is for relatives
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who have family who is
going through an addiction.
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So my question is, how
can you support or help
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someone that is struggling
with a drug addiction?
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What attitude should
you present to the person?
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You know in my
addiction, I think my example
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is probably one of
the best things I could do
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and hopefully they
can see Jesus through me.
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The young man that was
going to one of our Christian
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schools, and I didn't
know he was really watching me.
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He saw how I was before
I found Jesus in my life.
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Later on in talking with
him, I heard him actually
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giving, sharing his
testimony how Christ had changed
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him, and he had
brought my name up.
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And I thought wow, I
had no idea that I had been
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any kind of influence to him.
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So even what Sherry was
talking about when she met
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your mom, I want to be like her.
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The fact of just
being who we are in
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Christ around the addict.
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It's tough you know when
people are heavy into drugs,
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sometimes it is not the
time you can give them advice,
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they are not looking for advice,
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they want to see something real.
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They want to see if you
are saying you are something,
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they want to see that in you.
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They want to see
Jesus with the skin on,
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not just a story.
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I think of another one,
there was a young man and
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I was talking to
someone else about this earlier.
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How he looked up to me,
when I was younger, when I was
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really getting
out on the wrong path.
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As he grew up, he
started going on that same path.
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The same thing
happened to him, what you said,
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I saw him at a wedding
and he wanted me to come drink
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beer with him, now I had
never done anything with him.
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Drugs or anything like
that, but he knew that was stuff
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I had did from my example.
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I said no, no way
because I knew his parents.
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I wouldn't do that
even when he was growing up.
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What happened, the
next thing I heard about him
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is that he had
OD'd at a hotel in town.
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He had done a
speedball with heroin and
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cocaine and he died.
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I think the greatest
influence we can be on people
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is that they
can see Jesus in us.
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Not just what
we say, who we are.
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- Besides I believe
that I am standing here today
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because I had an aunt, I
was 10 years old and got sent
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to Canada to live
with a Christian aunt.
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From 10 I was homeless, a
heroine addict and all that
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stuff, but she prayed
for me every day of her life.
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I came to Christ before she
died and went back and thank
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her for that, but I think
that we sometimes are helpless
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and the addict is going
to make choices that they are
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going to make and we
are going to feel helpless
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as family members.
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Sometimes we are going to
feel like, is there anything
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I can do, I just want
to beg people not to forget
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about prayer, don't forget that
we literally can cover them.
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God forgive them for their
rebellion, forgive them for
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their acting out, I love
him and I'm asking you to not
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let anything work for them.
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I'm asking you to not
even let them get high anymore.
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When they take the drug let
it not even be non-effective in
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their body, let them go to jail.
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Get them busted,
I want them safe.
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And as somebody that
loves them, cover them every
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time you think
about it in prayer.
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I believe we get to
heaven God is going to open the
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books and let us see
how powerful that was.
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In a time we feel powerless,
you are watching somebody
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make choices that are horrible.
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Your mom watched you over
the years, I am sure that not
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a day went by that she
didn't say, God do not forget my
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baby, because I love him.
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So there are times we
can't make them make sense,
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it's like talking to
schizophrenic sometimes.
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Talking to an addict, but
God says don't forget to pray.
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I really believe that when
my aunt was dying and I said,
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man whose going
to pray for me now?
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Who is to pray
for our family now?
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She looked at me, standing
as a Christian in front of
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her, she says it looks
like you're going to pray
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for our family now.
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And just handed the baton to me.
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You are going to cover
them and if there is anybody
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that is watching, anybody
here that has family members
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that you know it is hard
when you see somebody die
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in their addiction, but
I know it is harder on God
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then it is on us.
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The grief that we feel,
and I think it's billions fold
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to God that says, I tried
every single thing I could.
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Every single thing I
could, but right now as
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we need to
remember them in prayer.
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And on top of the example,
the example is incredible.
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But sometimes they are
too crazy in their addiction.
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Ken in his diction, he was
crazy and I'm sure, sometimes
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the only thing you
could do for him was pray.
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God protect us and protect him.
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- everybody I knew I
called, his family they were all
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praying for him
when he would disappear.
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Exactly and I know Joanie
that you had a question too.
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Yes, I was raised in a
home where I had parents that
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stayed together and my
mother was a stay-at-home mom.
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Which I know even today I
have the sense of security
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that my mom was home and
I knew always where she was.
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So when I got married I
had two sons and I wanted to
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be a stay-at-home mom too.
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That was the plan, although
when my sons were 2 and 4,
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I became a single
parent and had to go to work.
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I don't how to be a
single parent and didn't then,
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I still don't now.
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My sons don't follow the
Lord now, but it did raise
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them in the church,
but they had 2 households,
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a household at their
father's, and one with me.
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When you said the
Scripture to raise your child
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in the way they will go,
they won't depart from it.
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Well they don't follow
God and the subject of prayer,
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I have never stopped
praying for them and have been
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very persistent and it
maybe think of your mom.
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Did you ever tell her that
you realize it was probably
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her prayers that brought
you back around to the Lord?
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Then if you told her, and
thanked her, how did she react?
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Well my mom is the happiest
person that can possibly be,
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because she watches, by
the way, way 3ABN all the time.
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Yes I have told her, but
my wife along with her at this
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time in the prayers that I
would get my life together.
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I could remember my
little brother told me one day,
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when are you going to grow up?
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Really people that
are messed up on drugs,
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they just
haven't grown-up really.
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God wants us to
grow up close to Him.
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That prayer thing, I
mean it's the main thing.
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- it's the main thing
you know what Pastor Ken,
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I just wanted to say, I
wish I could say thank you
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to your mom right here,
but I'm going to say to you.
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Thank you for coming and I
would just for you and your
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family, I just
want to say thanks.
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For sharing your
testimony and all that stuff.
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Well thank you for
having me and my wife here,
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it's a blessing.
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I have made a commitment
with a loud voice tell
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people about Jesus.
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You know as you are out
there the only time we can make
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that commitment is
to leaning fully on God.
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I can't even lean on my own
understanding, and I can't lean
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on my own stuff, I had to
so trust the fact that God
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is going to lead me to the
next step, to the next step,
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to the next, but as, we
have been real clear about it.
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If you have family members
that are addicts pray for them.
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But you know what more
than family members, the
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body of Christ, when
you step into a church
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pray for each other.
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We are going to be right
back, please stay with us.
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