Welcome back!
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We were talking before
the break about you going
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into another gig,
another part of the police
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department,
still with the police.
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I want you to talk a
little bit about that.
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You know where I
am impressed with you,
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or with God actually,
is who you are as a man
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of God and what
you're values are in that,
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why you bring that to your job.
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I want to talk a
little bit about that
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and introduce us to Max.
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I got the opportunity
about 4 years ago to move
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from probation parole and from
the Department of Corrections
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over to the Post Academy,
Peace Officers Standards
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and Training Academy.
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That is where all law
enforcement in Idaho was
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trained up until 4 years ago.
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And I wanted to say shut
up, okay because you know
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where we started at on the
last segment where you said,
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I didn't even want the job.
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Somebody tricked me into
doing this and now you are
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training people for this gig.
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That's right, that's
right and I got to help build
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the bridge for training
the Department of Corrections,
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because they were
doing their own training.
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Now their training
is done over at Post and
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I get to be a part of that.
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So what is your job
exactly, what are you doing?
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I head up all the
academies, my partner and I,
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for the
Department of Corrections.
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We do 8 academies a
year, 6 of them are Correction
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Officers Academy and
2 of them are Probation
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Parole Officer Academies.
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We give them basic
fundamental training on how to
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be an officer, and we
cover everything from ethics,
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professionalism, to
how to shoot a handgun,
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arrest
techniques and everything.
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We were with a friend
of mine in another country,
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you and I, and he
called somebody a scumbag,
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do you remember that?
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Not just because it
was like you know there are
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always Meth addict's,
and hurting people and they
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just do the craziest
things, and we have to come in
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and try to clean up their mess.
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and I just feel like
their scum, and I watched your
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reaction to that, just wanting
to bless him, maybe what?
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Maybe understanding God birthed
in me there back when I was
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17, and God said to have
a purpose, because I thought
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I was an accident, I
thought my life had no purpose.
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If God can change me the
way that He did and turn me
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into a good husband and a
good father, which He did,
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then God can change anyone.
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Even those people that
I used to call, scumbags.
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I used to say there was
no hope for that person.
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Yet God's Word says
there's hope for everybody,
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there's hope for anybody
and so when I hear things
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like that there is a
part of me that says that
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if you could just understand
it, and I know you do but
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maybe you need to understand
a little bit more here.
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God can change the most
wicked and the most vile
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and the most hardhearted,
God can turn them into
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men and women of God.
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That is the hope of the gospel.
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I saw that so
in-your-face when you said that.
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Then I said, and it
cracks me up because I said,
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you know when someone
talks about the addict as
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being scum, the addict is
being like I can't believe
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of working with this
person what has their 100th DUI,
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and they have had 7
wives, and they've molested
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their kids and all
that kind of stuff.
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That person I can tolerate.
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When I come into the
church and there is a religious
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addict, somebody that's
critical, or somebody that has
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not allowing the
addict to come and sit down.
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Somebody that reads
that God said the greatest of
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these commandments is to
love God and love one another,
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and they can even love
the person coming in, I never
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have called them scumbags,
do you know what I mean but
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my heart says that's
the person I can't tolerate.
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You looked at me with so
much love and said the same
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thing almost, is can I tell
you that anybody can change.
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Yes, absolutely!
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- they don't
know both sides of it.
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So being as a Christian
I saw you as a man of God,
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your heart says, and
I know you're teaching
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that in your new gig.
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You are teaching that
officers to have that open
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heart with the people
they work on, but I know that
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in your heart as a
Christian, Man, you're trying to
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tell the church the
same thing it seems like.
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Because we all have that
tendency to put people in
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categories, people I want
to spend time with, people I
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don't want to spend time
with, people that can change,
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I think they can change I
see hope there so I can work
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with them, this
person I see no hope.
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But we serve the God of
hope, we serve the God of love
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and He said, for God so
loved the world, everyone,
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that He gave His
only begotten Son.
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He loved everyone that
much and I think it's an Isaiah,
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do you think I take joy in
the fact that people perish?
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Know I don't, I want all
men to be saved, everyone.
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And all means all -
I just delight in that.
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That is where I found my
purpose, because I didn't
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think I could be saved.
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I didn't think there
is any hope for me and God
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said there was, so my
whole life has been an
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investment in
taking the hard cases.
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My Pastor is always
shaking his head and saying,
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Kerry you always work
with these kind of people,
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because God can work
with those people the more
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hopeless they are
the more fun they are.
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When I was working
probation parole I took on the
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youthful offenders
because they were all failing.
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They are the kids that got
remanded to the adult court
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at 17, 18, 19-23 because
the juvenile system can't do
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anything with them anymore.
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When I did a little
better research on them, all of
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them were going to
prison, everyone of them.
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none of them, they come to
us on probation, which means
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they haven't been to
prison yet, if they make it on
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probation they don't
have to go to prison,
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they were all going to prison.
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So my boss said if you
can do something with them,
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build a caseload.
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I built a caseload and
Max Rivera, still on probation
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on another caseload,
actually came and helped me.
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He talked to those kids,
yes he was a speaker couple
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of times, he talked to
those kids from his perspective.
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I brought in other
people that had pasts where God
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change them and they
spoke to those kids and those
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kids started finding out
that the Bible had answers.
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So a Thursday
night I have the kids
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teach their own class.
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I said you can pick any
topic you want and they all
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start picking About the
Bible, and about God, and
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about life being changed
by church and those things.
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My boss to come in and
watch these classes and say,
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Kerry you went to so
much trouble and I said why,
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and they said teaching this.
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I said no I am not,
these offenders are teaching
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each other, they pick the
topics I just reviewed and
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make sure that there's
nothing inappropriate there.
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And they are presenting
the stuff, I'm just there
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facilitating at the
meetings, and they said you know
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what I am talking about.
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I said I really don't,
do not like the results.
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We took a caseload that
was one 100 percent failing
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and I had 50 percent
success for 3 years in a row.
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That's incredible - and Cheri
that has never been done since
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I left Idaho because that
caseload they disbanded it,
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because nobody had the
heart to work with those kids,
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because they were a
bunch of orangutans.
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They were wild and rebellious
and crazy just like I was.
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I had fun with those kids.
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We took them to the Y, we
had Consumer Credit Counseling
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come in and talk
to them, it was great.
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I think a lot of people
don't understand, it's even
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for me when I came out of
that background I had never
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been camping, I had never
had someone like you said I
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took them to the Y and those
kind of things where people
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think they are ordinary
things. A lot of these kids
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they have never
had anyone do that
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for no reason, just to do that.
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I'm just thinking that if
we could as church, oh man!
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And I know that as
probation and parole, as people
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step into their lives is
huge, but I think as a body
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of Christ it would be amazing.
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It would be if we
would just understand that
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people want to be
loved, they want to know that
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they are being accepted.
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Too many times in the
church, and probably in some
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other areas too, but
church is what I know best.
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In the church we bring
them in and expect them to
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reach a certain level of
performance before we accept
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them with open arms.
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If they don't reach that
level of performance, then we
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have a tendency not to
accept them or we forget about
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them, or they just
drop through the cracks.
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Harry's he is not
coming to church anymore and we
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haven't seen him in 6 months.
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I have to interrupt
because I have to have you tell
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a story that you told me
that I think forever changed
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my view on people
coming in the church.
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The story about the baby.
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Oh wow! We're doing in my
church what we call connection
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classes, what we do
with people new coming in.
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My Pastor's wife was teaching
the class and she wanted
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to talk about how we
treat the new converts the new
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person coming in and how
we ever wrong concept of that.
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So she went to the
nursery got a real-life baby,
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she talked to the
parents and said she wanted
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to do this
analogy, and they said okay.
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So she brings this baby to
class and is holding the baby
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and patting him - 4
months right - 4 months old.
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She said this is my
new convert, this Cheri she
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accepted Jesus 4 months
ago, and she's 4 months old.
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I've been dressing
her, I've been feeding her,
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been talking to her
and spending time with her.
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I've been holding her
and walking her through
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this 4 months now.
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So for 4 months, Cheri
should be able to stand on
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her own two feet now.
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So she takes this baby
wrapped up in a blanket that is
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4 months old and sets it
over in the corner of the room.
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Then comes back and
continues teaching her class and
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going through her points.
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In all the parents
of the room, especially
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the mothers, and
looking at the baby and pretty
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soon the baby starts crying.
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I don't know why
she's acting like that,
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we've gone through
this a 100 times, she knows
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where the food is at,
she knows how to take care
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of herself, why is she crying?
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I've been working
with her for 4 months.
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And it dawned on all
of us that's what we do,
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we work with the
person who is an addict coming
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in for recovery or
somebody coming off the streets
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and we pour ourselves
into them for 4 months and
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say to them now stand up.
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You should be walking
and she went and picked the
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baby up and
started cuddling it again.
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She said do you realize
that the parents of this baby
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are going to work with
her for the next several years
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before she is mature.
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It's going to be years
before she can feed herself,
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it's going to be years
before she didn't drink a water,
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but she is still thirsty
and she's is still hungry,
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she still has needs.
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I am slow, God, I came
into my Christianity in 1979
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and 21 years later
God finally taught me what
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it felt to trust someone.
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21 years later,
and I tried everything.
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I thought it was drug
abuse that I had a look at,
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manipulation and lying
and all these character stuff
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and He said you
never learned to be loved.
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You never learn to trust
and so I feel 21 years later,
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I can start to stand on my own.
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If you would have
expected some kind of normal
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behavior before then,
not that I wasn't improving
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and doing all these
kind of stuff and saying the
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right things, but it was
like God was so gracious to
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wait 21 years and most
of us can't wait 4 months.
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When you said that to me
about the baby I wanted to
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cry because I just do
my own life and knew that I
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couldn't have
stood up for years.
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I needed mentoring.
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So to me if we
could get that as a body
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of Christ, oh man.
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So now I want to talk about
one of the men that you got
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to mentor, so can you introduce
us to Max and just talk
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a little bit about some of
the stuff that you want him
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to share with us right now.
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I want to introduce
to you one of my best
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friends, Max Rivera.
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We started our relationship
several years ago when he
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came out of the maxim security
prison on to my caseload
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as one of the guys
that I was supervising.
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And that started
journey in an adventure that
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has not stopped since.
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So welcome Max Rivera.
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Well thank you Kerry,
well it's been exciting as
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you mentioned earlier
about the Governor's Court
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Counseling for
families and children.
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I think one of the things,
or one of the reasons that
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the Lord has strategically
placed me in things like
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that is that the
government is really looking for
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answers, because kids
are doing what they're doing
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and the programs they
are using, or the jail time
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that they are
sentencing is just not working.
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So they are trying to
figure out what do we do
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and wait a second
here is Max and it worked.
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What worked? Tell us about it.
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So I feel that the Lord
has built for me a platform
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for me, it's Jesus
because the motor of a car is
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bad you don't change the tires.
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You don't put in air
freshener hoping it's going
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to run better and what
I have done, or what the
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Lord has given me an
opportunity to do, is to say
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that it's the heart that is bad.
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When you see a kid that
is going to shoot somebody,
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these violent acts or
crazy things you can't just
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explain it is the
heart that is bad.
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There is only one heart
doctor and his name is Jesus,
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so I get a chance to
share that with the Governor's
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Court and Counseling.
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You have got mayors from
different districts, you have
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judges, you have all
these elected officials that are
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sitting at this board and
little old me, but yet they
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are saying can you
please tell us what works?
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The Lord opened doors for
us to speak in front of our
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Court criminal judge Commission,
which is a bunch of elected
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officials, people who
actually make the laws.
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I spoke for the attorney
general - and is starting to pay
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attention that this is a
faith based issue and can
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the faith community come
and walk alongside us and help.
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And what is really I
think interesting when someone
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says what difference can
you make, right now people
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are listening because
nothing else is working.
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Orange county, I have to
say an Orange County they
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are doing a program
with some gang members.
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I probably should have
mentioned Orange County but
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they are doing a program
with gang members were they
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have money coming to this
program and they are paying
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people 50 bucks just to a
group so they can say that
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people have
showed up for a group.
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I'm thinking they are just
going out and getting high,
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but I'm just thinking
that is the condition of people
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right now because we
don't know what to do.
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So the fact that God
stands you up in your heart is
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open enough to say
I'll do whatever I can.
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You know it neat
to because you get
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their ear when before you were
a number that is just the way
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they process you but just
before you are just convict
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and there's only a
matter of time before
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you will mess up again.
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You'll be back in jail
and that day will arrest you
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so now I am at this place
to where there is 12 years
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of success, I'm
working also with men.
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There is a history
there of doing the same
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thing over and over.
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I have spoke at
mayors breakfast, it was neat
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because in the paper
after this mayors breakfast
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one of the elected
officials came and I shared that
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analogy of where the
heart, but what was bad when it
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came in the paper he
said I've always said we've
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got go for the heart.
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It was really cool.
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But it was neat
that God's messages are
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becoming more clear.
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Can you tell me who
he is as a man of God?
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Kerry, - Kerry yes!
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To me he represents to
stability and sound judgment
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you can always go and
know that he's not going
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to pat you to make you
feel better, he's going to
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tell you what you need to hear.
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Cheri: what the
word of God says.
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Max: What the word of
God says, exactly and a very
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faithful friend and I
don't know how his wife allows
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him to be involved in so
many lives, but he is one of
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the people that I
know that just does that.
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He's like a good Samaritan,
there's no boundaries he
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will see somebody broken
and he will do what it takes
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to make that person whole again.
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He represents love, he re-
presents the character of Christ
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and the fruit of the
spirit even though he asks me
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questions sometimes
that I don't really care for.
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I know it's motivated out
of love, sometimes not right
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then, it takes me a
second to realize this is Kerry,
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this is your
friend, your brother.
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Kerry I know that there
is other people that have
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questions that
they want to ask you.
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Jordan you were wanting
to ask Kerry some things.
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Yeah I've got a question.
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How did it make you
feel in one of the dudes that
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you follow around everywhere
if they did some thing wrong?
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When they would re-offend,
how did that make you feel?
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It is probably one of
the hardest parts of the job
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because our whole job
description even outside of my
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own personal conviction
is to help people succeed.
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So we actually pour a
lot of time and effort into
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helping them succeed
and when they fail you go
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through that
struggle was there something
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else I could have done?
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Something else I could
have said, could I have followed
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them around a little
bit more to help them out?
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Ultimately in the correctional
setting and in life we are,
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we have free will, we
can make our own decisions
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despite the
influences around us.
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Those men and those
women that I supervised made
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decisions that caused
them to re-offend and go back
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into prison and start over.
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You develop a mentality
that is part of the process
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they weren't quite done
yet, so they have to go back for
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more programming and a
little more time away from the
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people on the streets so
they can figure out prison
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is a bad thing, being on
the streets is a good thing.
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I need to change my behavior.
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I need to change my
decision-making process.
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We hope that the next
time they come out they'll
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know a little bit more.
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In the course of me
working for the Department of
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Corrections in probation parole
for almost 10 years, about 9
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plus years, I saw the same
people come out 3 and 4 times.
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Not quite get it and
then go back and some of them
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I saw them get it, it
was like a little light bulb
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came on and he figured it
out and decided they didn't
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want to do it
anymore - it's just done!
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What is really interesting,
is because I work with at
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risk folks, when somebody
re-offend and they go back
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to prison there is a lot
of people that are just sad.
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Like I can't believe
that and I'm like Yahoo,
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because I know they're
safe, they are at least safe
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and they are going to
have somebody again that's
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going to come alongside
of them and start putting
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some boundaries around them.
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It is not always a bad
thing, in fact it may be for
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most of them their only
chance of having a life.
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Even the people will called
me to say I'm in jail again.
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I'm like oh good
because I thought you were
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out there running.
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But it's hard not, like
Jordan was saying, it's hard
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not to take it personal,
but I think that you really
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do have to protect your
heart in that way - you do.
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I was talking to some
other people, they were asking
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me that same
question that Jordan asked me,
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I said it was like
being a painter and doing
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your best work on this house.
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You paint 4 walls and
you come to work the next
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morning, and the paint came
off of the 3 of the 4 walls.
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Cheri: a storm comes through.
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And that happens every
day, that's what being a
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probation officer is
like, because you see a lot of
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failure because people
are steeped in that type of
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decision making and you
can plant a lot of seeds in
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their lives, but they
are not ready to change how
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they make their decisions yet.
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But it is the ones who
do make it, the ones that
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decide it is time to change.
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You asked me a little bit
ago about how, why I thought
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Max and some of the
other people decided to change.
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I think one of the catalysts
for that is working with
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somebody that they
can begin to trust.
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Somebody that they
can see actually cares,
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pass the textbooks, pass
the rules and regulations,
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that really wants
to see them change and
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wants them to succeed.
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That gives them permission
to open up a little bit
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and share things with
you that possibly they have
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never shared with
anybody else before.
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In that process what
I've seen a lot of people do,
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and I see Max do it too,
they will share like a test
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thing with you, just to
see what you do with it.
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It might not even be
real, it may not be true but
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they are going to
share something that might be
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attached to their heart
to see how you handle it.
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If that goes well than
they'll share something a little
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bigger and then a little bigger.
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Somewhere in that
process the floodgates open and
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they dump
everything on the table.
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Here's my life, what
are we going to do with it?
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Exactly help me!
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And that is when it
starts getting fun because
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they can begin to
see that they can change.
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You know we look at
them sometimes, like we
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talked about before,
and say they can't change,
00:20:00.16\00:20:01.80
but what we don't
understand is that life and
00:20:01.83\00:20:05.05
the devil tell them
every day, you'll never change,
00:20:05.08\00:20:07.52
you can't get out of this.
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Parents may have told them,
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they've heard
that their whole life.
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So when somebody
does come along and say,
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God can change me,
He can change anybody,
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and you are part of that
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anybodies, so
God can change you,
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so let's get to
work on that change.
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Can I just add something
that I think was so crucial
00:20:22.32\00:20:25.22
that I learned and felt
in my own recovery is that
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start even dare
to hope it's scary.
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It's like if I
remember being a little girl and
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around a bunch of addicts
and if I hope for anything,
00:20:37.30\00:20:39.68
if somebody said we're
going on vacation, I'm thinking
00:20:39.71\00:20:42.79
we're going on vacation?
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I started hoping and when
it didn't happen you would
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just be crushed and so
even when that starts to
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wake up somebody
that is real damaged,
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they will get mad at themselves.
00:20:51.87\00:20:53.83
What are you stupid, what
are you doing that for and
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so it's like even as you
start to wake that up, it is
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really nice to be around
safe folks when you do that.
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I think all of heaven
celebrates, all Heaven says you
00:21:03.33\00:21:07.34
know what, come on come on.
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But it is really an
interesting thing to watch
00:21:10.31\00:21:14.59
somebody heal - it
is - to watch that.
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I know that we have another
question, Charlie you are
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and ask a question of Kerry.
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Kerry I would like to
address may be another side
00:21:20.48\00:21:23.00
of the issue here where
we talked about the offender.
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I would like to talk about
the law enforcement officer.
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I was a Los Angeles County
Deputy Sheriff in the 80's,
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worked with the L. A. a
county jail for a year and then
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I went to South Central
Los Angeles and worked there.
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In the midst of
that, in the middle of that
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I became a born-again Christian.
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I was trained to be a very
aggressive police officer out
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there, then I came out of
church here in full of God's
00:21:43.59\00:21:48.47
love and didn't want to
put people in jail anymore.
00:21:48.50\00:21:50.53
I wanted to get them out,
but I still had that struggle
00:21:50.56\00:21:52.92
inside of compromising
principles and ethics because
00:21:52.95\00:21:57.00
I was trained like I
was a gang member myself.
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I looked back and say I
was a legalized gang member
00:22:00.84\00:22:04.19
and I compromised
ethics and policies and treated
00:22:04.22\00:22:07.41
people terribly and had to
deal with the guilt of that.
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How would you
address police officers out
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there right now?
00:22:12.63\00:22:13.66
Now that you are
training police officers how
00:22:13.69\00:22:15.04
would you address that
right now if they are caught
00:22:15.07\00:22:16.50
up in that that you can
be a police officer with
00:22:16.53\00:22:19.44
principles and ethics
and be used in a positive
00:22:19.47\00:22:22.27
way without
having to succumb to that
00:22:22.30\00:22:24.15
behavior and compromise?
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Good question,
absolutely good question.
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It's interesting, I've
looked at the changes happening
00:22:30.31\00:22:34.63
in law enforcement, obviously it
is different now than it was in
00:22:34.66\00:22:37.22
the 80's, there's been a
progression that started even
00:22:37.25\00:22:40.49
before that,
Charlie where it used to be
00:22:40.52\00:22:43.25
when people got into law
enforcement they got into it
00:22:43.28\00:22:46.10
for the motto that is written
on most of our cars still.
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To protect and serve.
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There is a different mentality
and it started somewhere around
00:22:50.43\00:22:54.84
around the 70's, 80's
wherever, and has just
00:22:54.87\00:22:56.59
gotten progressively
different to were now in the
00:22:56.62\00:22:59.43
academy's where I
train, a lot of these young
00:22:59.46\00:23:02.52
officers are coming
in for power and control.
00:23:02.55\00:23:04.05
You're going to
give me a gun, and badge,
00:23:04.08\00:23:05.89
and a car and I have
control and power and
00:23:05.92\00:23:08.59
now get my respect that way.
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That is really scary.
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The job duty from
biblical times forward of the
00:23:11.10\00:23:16.22
ruling authority was
to protect and to serve.
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To bring that structure,
that safe place for people to
00:23:18.60\00:23:23.64
exist and when you find
something that is wrong, people
00:23:23.67\00:23:28.07
that are breaking the
law, then we enforce the law,
00:23:28.10\00:23:32.28
but even that was supposed
to be in a structured way.
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That has changed in spirit,
00:23:34.98\00:23:37.96
but the
policies haven't changed.
00:23:37.99\00:23:39.82
so the law enforcement officer
today can lean on the policies
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that were written way back when.
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The policies still say your
job is to protect and serve,
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your job is to
serve your community.
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Most of your encounters
are going to be with pro-social
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people not the criminal element.
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So the whole policemen in a
certain neighborhood building
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their routine and they go
to the different shops and
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say hi to people
and get their names.
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Those programs are in
place now and coming back strong
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too where they want the
cop on the beat not in the car,
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they want him known in
the community as somebody that
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the children can trust
in the people can trust.
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So the officer today can
position himself that way
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and say my job is to
uphold integrity not violated so
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I can get the bad guy.
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As I'm listening to
Charlie, your question, and your
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response to him that has got
to give an incredible humanity
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back to the officers, all
or back the people to step into
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that line of work.
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Because I think it was,
it started to be a cruel
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thing and sometimes it
has gotten twisted, not all
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the time but sometimes.
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In some areas it has, and
it creates a unique opportunity
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for Christian officers
who are trained by the word to
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uphold integrity and the
men of honesty and integrity.
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Integrity and character,
as often has been said, is
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not what I do when I'm
in public and being watched
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it's what I do and I
don't think I'll get caught
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and nobody's watching.
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When you get a group of
men and women who conduct
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themselves that way on
and off the job, in and out
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of uniform, always
men and women of integrity
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and honesty and
purity and those things.
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They have their
personal life in order then they
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carry that out to the
job, they become the pillars
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that we want our
children to look up to.
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We want them to be able
to look at the policeman
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and say you should be like him.
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You should be like her.
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How incredible that
they are in our community,
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this is a safe place -
it is and those officers
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become icons for fellow
officers to be drawn to,
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because they
can't be compromised.
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So at this point you know
what I love is that's what
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God has you doing is
training people in that way.
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How cool is that!
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It's awesome we have
just a couple minutes left I
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want you to say is there
anything that you want to
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say to wrap this up
00:26:02.14\00:26:03.17
to talk directly to the
folks that are watching,
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just hey you.
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Oh yes I would love to.
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If I were to do a wrap
up it would be, everyone
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of us has a destiny,
everyone of us has a purpose.
00:26:14.16\00:26:16.62
God has a specific purpose
for you, were ever you are,
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Whoever, if you are a law
enforcement officer allow God
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be a part of your life on the
job and God will do incredible
00:26:23.17\00:26:27.64
things and touch
people's lives through you.
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If you are schoolteacher,
whoever you are, if you
00:26:29.58\00:26:32.53
are a drug addict it
just came off the streets and
00:26:32.56\00:26:34.54
just got introduced to
Jesus, God wants to use
00:26:34.57\00:26:36.67
you right where you at.
00:26:36.70\00:26:37.83
God wants talk through you.
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In the biggest thing is
God has a purpose for me
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and my goal is to
be me, to be who I am.
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Too many times we try to
come in and be a like Pastor
00:26:44.91\00:26:48.18
or the elders are like
the person sitting next to me
00:26:48.21\00:26:50.48
and we get on this little
detour that takes forever,
00:26:50.51\00:26:52.79
finally coming back to
the point where God says can
00:26:52.82\00:26:55.44
you just be you?
00:26:55.47\00:26:56.50
Because all those
things that Satan twisted and
00:26:56.53\00:26:58.72
turned for his purposes,
most of those were things
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that God gave you.
00:27:02.11\00:27:03.31
That He had a great purpose for.
00:27:03.34\00:27:04.57
If we can just learn
how to relax and be who God
00:27:04.60\00:27:06.99
intended us to be and
just start living our lives
00:27:07.02\00:27:10.05
and telling our story,
then we can change lives.
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I want thank you Kerry so
much for being on the program.
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I want to thank you
for being a man of God.
00:27:16.58\00:27:18.50
I want to thank you
for responding to Him and
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I want to thank you
for working with at risk
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folks, how cool is that?
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It is very cool and thank
you for letting me be here,
00:27:25.02\00:27:27.57
it has been a pleasure.
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I want to say for anybody
watching is that I am hoping
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you heard that God had a
plan for your life and am
00:27:32.84\00:27:34.85
hoping you saw the difference.
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You know I love the
difference passing that God is
00:27:37.43\00:27:39.78
only working with
these at risk folks.
00:27:39.81\00:27:41.51
When I see God work with
somebody that is, well you
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were at risk. I think
were all at risk so anyway come
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right back because I
want to wrap this up.
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We'll see you in a few seconds.
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