Hi! I'm C. A. Murray and
welcome to season number four
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of Celebrating Life in Recovery.
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This is real television,
real lives, real changes,
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real victory in
Jesus, real-life situations.
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Stay by you will be blessed!
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Welcome back!
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You know C. A. is really
funny when you talk about
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real-life victories,
all those kind of things,
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this whole season is
going to be about people
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that not only came from
really incredible things,
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really some
dark, dark backgrounds,
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but they are all in Ministry.
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To me it was so fun to
put together, but I couldn't
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hardly even do a teaching
around it because I just
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wanted folks to hear
the story, see what God did,
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and see what the
next step for them was.
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Incredible, and you
know what is interesting,
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and almost unbelievable, is
that we are in season number 4.
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I know! C. A.: It's
gone really, really fast.
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Also we did do some
survey work just last year.
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You know you want to
make sure that you're kind of
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scratching where people
are itching, that you are
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answering questions
that are being asked.
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We found out that this
is one of the shows that has
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been a major
blessing to so many people.
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But also we found that
there are those who sort of
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feared this show, and it
is because we tackle stuff,
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real-life stuff.
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And there are those
who, mistakenly, believe once
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you come to Christ
that all this stuff just
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dissipates and disappears,
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Cheri: Don't you
wish that was true?
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Yeah wish it was, I really do,
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but what you get
is coping skills.
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So we are dealing this
year with people who not only
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survived, but thrived and
give back, that is kind of
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a new wrinkle, another
layer of frosting on the cake,
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as it were, It's a good thing.
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I've got a, I want to
even say to people that have
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watched the program, bless you.
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Because there are
people that have e-mailed and
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I could just feel
their tears in the e-mail.
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I could feel their
tears in the letters.
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They would say you know
I'm so glad that you said
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this out loud, in
the light of God's love.
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And the fact that
you say this out loud
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and God still loves us,
God is so crazy about us,
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there is still
hope even in this.
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It allows people
to walk into recovery,
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it allows people to know
that not only are you going
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to do recovery, but God
is going to stand you up.
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To me I'm like,
How cool is that?
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How absolutely cool is
that and there are times
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when I get to process
with someone and somebody gets
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to walk through those
steps with one of the viewers,
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or one of the listeners.
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I get to see how God
does that and stands them up
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and I just want to
kiss God on the face.
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I want to say that every
story really is about how cool
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He is, and it is a
vindication of who God is.
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When somebody says is
a little bit too much,
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I think that about
life. C. A.: Right!
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You know what I mean when
I go out to schools and hear
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about molesting and abortions,
and date rapes and all
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that kind of stuff,
multiple personalities, somebody
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being raised by a
schizophrenic mother.
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I hear these stories and
they are so intense that I have
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to look at God and say,
God can You do something here?
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I just hear all of
heaven say absolutely,
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I can do something right there.
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Yeah incredible, incredible.
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You know I heard this
cute story about this mother
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who put her son on
the bus to go to school.
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Third day of school the
bus leaves and he is standing
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at the curb, so soon he
knocks on the door and she
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says what are you
doing here the bus has left?
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He said I quit school,
she said you quit school?
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Three days in to
school, first grade and
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you quit school?
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He said yeah, I quit
school, it's tough, it's hard,
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and sometimes it's boring.
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She said, welcome to
life get, on the bus!
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And that's what we deal
with, sometimes it's tough,
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it's hard, sometimes
boring but that's life.
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The people that we'll
meet this year, really have
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wrestled with life and
have come forth in Jesus.
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Hey I have got to tell
you something, because we
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get a lot of e-
mails on you personally.
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Should I brace myself?
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They're on you personally,
but the big thing is a
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lot of it says she is
very real, and that's what
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we get the most,
real and very believable.
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I've been there, I
know this stuff and people
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buy that because it is
coming from your heart.
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People ask often, is she
like that off camera too?
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And we have to say, ah yeah!
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In fact I'm probably a
little tamer on camera.
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So it makes a show real
because we know we are dealing
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with a person who has been
through stuff, and the Lord
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has blessed you
and your giving back.
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But even people who have
a hard time with the stuff,
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is that doesn't
excite me anymore.
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The stories and the junk
and I think those are more
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typical than abnormal anymore.
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What excites me is whenever
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I see a glimmer of
somebody trusting God,
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allowing God
into that situation.
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And then I want to celebrate,
I want to say you know what?
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just let that happen.
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In this season we are
doing a couple things.
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We're covering people
who have been there and
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going into testimony.
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We're covering how to
talk to God because that is,
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we have to connect with
God, we have to somehow say we
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don't know what we're
doing, how I got here, it's just
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a mess, and somehow get
into saying this is how you
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talk to God about this.
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This is how you talk to
God in the car, in the shower,
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walking down the street,
in a hospital room when you
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just get diagnosed all
those kind of stuff, in jail.
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And you're going like man if
you get me out of this one, you
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know that prayer if you get
me out of this one I'll never
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do that again. Right!
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So we have an offer I
would like to put out there on
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prayer, this is something
to think about, prayer.
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I never thought about the
fact C. A., that God said,
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I'm going to create you in my
image, so that is all biblical.
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You are created
in the image of God.
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In the Image of God we
are created, and He spoke the
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Universe into creation, right?
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He spoke and it happened.
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And we think we are
created in His image and our
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nose just looks like His.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Stop, He speaks and
things happen and I think we
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are created in that
image and we speak, whether it
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is positive or
negative, and that is going
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to reflect in our lives.
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So being able to say,
being aware of who you are
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and to power of your
speech and the power of God
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in your life, so
definitely the prayer book.
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Some people have asked,
Cheri, what about your book?
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I wrote a book about the
testimony of where I came
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from and kind of thing,
and I am going to have that
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available at this time,
Miracle From the Street.
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There is another book,
C. A. you can have that.
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Yeah God Is Crazy
about You, this is sort of
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Cheri: your continuation
yes, God is crazy about
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you and He knows your
junk and He is crazy about you.
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That the affirmation we
hear from you constantly.
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And it is a worth while
one because there are those
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who get so beat down by
life that they are not that
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crazy about themselves
and figured that God can't be
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too crazy about me,
because I don't even like what
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I see in the mirror
little alone what God sees.
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This affirms that God is
crazy about you, warts and all.
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Exactly and what is really
interesting the whole season
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is about someone stepping into
their relationship with God,
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learning how to speak
to God and walk in that
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relationship into recovery.
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Then how does he stand
them up, that God Is Crazy
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About You book is
how God stood me up.
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There were times that I
literally was awestruck with
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what He was
doing in front of me,
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totally unfolding who He was.
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Not unfolding who I am,
I know who I am and that
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is not even worth unfolding.
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He is like let me
unfold who I Am and let you be
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transformed in that.
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So whole season is
talking about who God is,
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who we are in that, how do
we speak to Him and then how
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does He stand us up to go
tell someone else, it's huge!
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It is huge and what is
really huge is the cherry on the
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sundae as it were, not
only our guests this year
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recovering, what makes
this year a little different
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is that they're giving
back, they are paying it back,
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they are in evangelism,
going out and giving others
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they are sharing their recovery.
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And that keeps us in
recovery to do that, so we are
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going to do the first roll.
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I am going to show you
some friends of mine, and they
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live in the same area, I
am blessed by these guys and
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I get to work with them.
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One of them is a gang
member, and this gang member
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left some folks for
dead and just walked away
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saying, what ever.
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He was so proud of himself
in how God brought him from
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that, and we also
brought his parole officer.
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I loved that, and the
parole officer had a program in
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his own right, because this
was a really rebellious kid.
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God ended up cleaning
up, bringing to ministry,
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stepping him into prison
guard, then parole officer
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and now he teaches
officers how to look at folks in
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recovery in a
way that is healing.
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The third program that you
are going see is my favorite
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one to do, and I hate to
say that because they are all so
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amazing, because you get
to share peoples testimonies.
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But it was a group of bikers
that are now coming out of
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being incredibly twisted
and messed up in bike gangs.
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Coming out of Vietnam,
strung out on heroine and all
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that kind of stuff, going
to prison for murder and now
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they are going back to
other bikers to tell them you
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don't have to be
there your whole life.
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I've got to stop you
because, yesterday I was
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walking down the hall and I said
boy that motorcycle sounds close
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And I heard this broom,
room, room, and then I heard 2,
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3, 4, and realized that
all those bikes were here on
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the set, Cheri: we
wanted them on the set.
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It was great - that show
on the bike was really good.
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It was fun, okay enjoy
this you will be blessed.
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I sat there and I was looking
at my car being worked on.
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I looked on the floor and
noticed a moving van coming
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and pull in front of our house.
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I just thought
somebody was getting furniture,
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looked down, looked up
within seconds my yard was
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full of military
men with assault rifles.
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Everybody had
them pointing at us,
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had my parents hogged-tied.
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My sister was screaming
saying listen to what they
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are telling you,
they're going to kill us.
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It was just real dramatic
and seeing my family have
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to go through that for
something that I had did.
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Officer on the on the roof,
my cousins jumped the fence,
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and they were
caught on the other side.
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I mean it was really
hard because we had left two
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men to die under
the bridge and thought
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we had gotten away with it.
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These men, I
remember the emotion that
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I had watching these men die.
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It was just one of
those things, they didn't die
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by God's grace, but
watching them bleed,
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it was one of
those things where,
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it wasn't, it didn't affect me.
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I knew there was
some kind of evil presence
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within me that
allowed me to smile while
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somebody was in pain like that.
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Nobody should have to
deal with that kind of pain,
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but that's why was
there we thought we had gotten
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away with it but here
we go with the SWAT team.
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Half the National Guard
had picked us up and I was
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sitting in this cell,
high on Meth, full of alcohol,
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knowing the Devil's
presence was in that cell.
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I was in the lieutenant's
office and she said,
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what are you
doing with the inmates?
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I said, I am doing work
crews I said, I am helping
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no, no that is not
what I'm talking about.
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What's this Bible thing?
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Well they know me from
before and they know that
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I am a Christian and
they bring me their Bibles
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and ask me questions.
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Well you can't do that!
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I said, with all due respect,
my job as a correctional
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officer is to use my
life experience to prepare
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them for the outside.
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And it is only one thing
I'm good at, and that's God.
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That is all I know and so
they are asked me something
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that I know and I'm
answering their questions,
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is that against the rules?
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Come to find out that
lieutenant was a backslidden
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Christian and she was
very concerned for me that
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I was going to get
ganged by the offenders and get
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disoriented and walk
away from God like she did.
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I ended up helping her
recommitting her life to the
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Lord in her office that day.
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Cheri: That is incredible!
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And she was my
most staunch protector,
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from that point forward.
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God had you doing what
you were doing and it's okay.
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As long as I stay within
the policy of the Department.
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Exactly!
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My sweet wife prayed for
me for 23 years, she said
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Lord change him, and
finally she said Lord help him.
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Two nights later she got
the call, I was in jail and
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had shot a man in a bar.
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She stayed with me
and that's what it took.
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God finally said
okay, now I am going
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to get your attention.
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I spent 23 years telling
her I don't have a problem
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with alcohol, I could
quit anytime I wanted to.
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When I am standing in
front of a judge with my hands
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cuffed behind me, we've
charged you with attempted
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murder, I said I
think I have a problem.
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You know finally
gets through our heads.
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It's what it took,
God had to slap me down
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to get my attention
and then I said, What do
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You want I'm listening.
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Cheri: We start promising
Him anything, You get me
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out of this one, I promise you.
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I mean I told people even
then in 1974, I said, if I
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can't have more fun being
a Christian then I did being
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in the bars, I will
go back to the bars.
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Guess what the only
time I've been in a bar is a
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poker run to get
a coke or something.
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Wow again really powerful
stories and those bikers
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are too much, a
lot of nice guys.
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nice guys and what is
even interesting to me
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about the bikers is,
the newer guy, there's a guy
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that just came to Christ.
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For him, it was I brought
my son into this lifestyle
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and he's lost in it and
just crazy in it, and that stuff
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You could tell that his
tears are just right on the
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surface because he
wants to somehow fix
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everything that he did.
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I think that as God
stands him up, he will get the
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privilege of seeing the
restoration in his family.
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Which is amazing!
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I'm so glad that God
does allow us, encourages us,
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enables us to make changes.
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You know you can become
that Romans 12:1, that living
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sacrifice, it is not
about what you were, it is about
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what you are a
where you're going.
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And who you are taking
with you, and that is what
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this year is about,
about taking others with this.
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And even with Max Revera,
the gang member, he speaks
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in front of judges,
legislators, he has spoken front
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of our governor in
the state of Idaho.
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People are bringing
him in to talk about how to
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negotiate with gang members.
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So not only is God
restoring him as a man of God,
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in his family, people are
calling him, would you mind
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being on this task force?
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He said there are times
that he just says I cannot
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believe they called and God
just kisses him on the face.
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Everything that the Devil
meant to destroy you with,
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I am going to use in
order for you to bless
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and help other people.
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I'm thinking
God, You are so God!
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You do that so well!
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Cheri: Exactly, exactly!
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Okay the next one, you are
going to love this next one.
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We have another 3, and
they are all Meth addicts, and
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people wonder why we
just did so much on Meth this
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season, some folks in
the studio had asked me that.
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Because almost every
other person I work with is on
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Meth, because it is the
drug right now that is trashing
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the entire United States,
but definitely worldwide it is
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one of the
worst drugs out there.
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So we have got 3 people
in Meth, and the first one
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you are going to see is
Rich and Susan Kollenberg.
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They are from this
horrible background, they had a
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little shack they lived
in with dirt floors and found
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on a little tiny black
and white TV because they were
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so crazy they hardly ever
leave their house and had to
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turn it over to God.
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They were almost
crawling on the floor crazy
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and they found 3ABN.
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C. A.
incredible! Praise the Lord!
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And that is the only,
only thing that kept them,
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you know it was like a lifeline.
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Now not only is she in
recovery, but she works for
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Amazing Facts
with Doug Batchelor.
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The very evangelist she
saw in that little black-and-
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white TV when she
was out of her mind.
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And I think,
God how fun are you?
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He says I will give you
the desire of your heart,
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I will stand you up,
and you will be so blessed
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you will sometimes not
even know how to thank Me.
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Not that God needs it,
but you won't even know how to
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because you will be so thrilled.
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The other person is a
friend of mine, Dave Parnell.
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So tweaking on Meth,
so crazy literally took an
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assault rifle put it up to
his chin and blew his whole,
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he thought he was going
to blow his head off, he blew
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his face off and lived.
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Now as he died the
third time in the ambulance he
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thinks, you know I think
a better stop using drugs.
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And I'm like you
think! The big Dah!
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I know but now he is talking
to hundreds and thousands
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of kids about
the dangers of drugs.
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He goes out there with a
face that was re-built, his
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nose and everything
rebuilt by bones in his hips.
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The skin on his nose
was pulled from his forehead
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and they made a
new nose for him.
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He has had 30 facial
surgeries and he has only
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been a Christian
for the last 5 years.
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So he is a baby still and
God has got him standing up
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already and he doesn't
even know what it means to stand
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up, he is a
little bit of afraid.
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He has 7 kids all born
in this drug crazy stuff,
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and now God is saying
stand up I need you to teach
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somebody the
dangers of this drug.
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The third person you're
going to meet is Ken and Sherry
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Blundell and what is really
fun about them is that they
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are both in ministry.
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He is a pastor now, 24
years Meth addict, in and out
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of stumbling around even
in his ministry, and God is
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still saying, this is
a man after my own heart.
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You will be
blessed by all of them.
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They have come from
horrendous backgrounds,
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you'll enjoy this
one you will be blessed.
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And you know at that
point in time you have to make a
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decision, you can use
drugs one more day you are going
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to die, this is it,
it has come down to this.
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And you look back on
your life you say I know
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it's come down to this.
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When you make that
decision and you start telling
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friends, I'm not
going to use drugs anymore,
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of course naturally
they say yeah, right!
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But you know in your
heart that you have changed
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you are going to turn
around, you do not know how
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you are going to do it.
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I would call her up and
I would say I do not know
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what to do, she say just
pray and God will help you.
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So for 3 months I prayed a
3 word prayer, God help me!
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Just God help me,
and He was there for me.
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So it doesn't have to be
complicated, prayer does not
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have to be complicated.
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No, I can remember lying
face down on my bed, screaming
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at the top of my lungs for
God to help me the last time.
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Because I didn't know what
was going to do, didn't know
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how I was going to do it,
all I know is that everything,
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I had done up to
that point was wrong.
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And I will come home
at 9:30 in the morning.
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At this time you
had how many kids?
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At this time 6.
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I would come home at
9:30 in the morning the 21 of
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February in 2003, her and
the kids were packing up to
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leave, and I asked her if
we could lay down and talk
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about it, I was too sick
to stand up by this point
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I had lost so much weight
and stuff, after 2 or 3 days
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I would get real sick.
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I got sick that morning
and she agreed to lay down
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beside me and said that
she would talk to me for a
00:19:40.56\00:19:43.81
moment but me the kids
are still going to leave.
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When she said that
something in me snapped.
00:19:45.80\00:19:47.96
I reached over her and
grabbed my SK rifle laid on my
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stomach, pushed the
barrel up under my chin.
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I thought man that's it,
I'm going to blow my head off.
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This dope has
robbed me of everything.
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She screamed and reached
to grab the barrel out from
00:19:57.56\00:19:59.96
under my chin, but
before she could grab it
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I pulled the trigger.
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The bullet went in me
here and came out between
00:20:02.54\00:20:04.50
my eyes, breaking
every bone in my face except
00:20:04.53\00:20:06.46
my left eye socket.
00:20:06.49\00:20:07.73
It had blow my nose
off, all my front teeth out,
00:20:07.76\00:20:10.73
but I didn't pass out.
00:20:10.76\00:20:13.85
I remember hearing that
gun blast, and I felt my face
00:20:13.88\00:20:15.75
fall apart, because Meth
has such a strong stimulant,
00:20:15.78\00:20:18.98
it kept me awake doing all that.
00:20:19.01\00:20:21.02
I fell off the bed onto the
floor, my wife went to screaming
00:20:21.05\00:20:25.79
and my kids came
running back to the bedroom.
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You entire half of your
face laid on the floor too!
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Yeah and I'm laying face
down trying to hold my face
00:20:29.95\00:20:33.07
together, I thought the whole
front of my face had actually
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blown off, that
is what it felt like.
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And my kids, what I remember
and what really haunts me,
00:20:37.06\00:20:41.08
is my kids.
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I still remember my boy
David, jumping up and down
00:20:42.31\00:20:45.37
in a circle
throwing his hands like this.
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Of course I couldn't
see him, but he is screaming
00:20:48.22\00:20:50.32
Daddy's dead, Daddy's dead!
00:20:50.35\00:20:51.52
I mean and then
he disappeared again.
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And at that point, I have
had enough, I was going back
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to California, I
didn't want anymore.
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And Ken called me from a
motel in town and asked if
00:21:01.10\00:21:08.78
he could come home.
00:21:08.81\00:21:09.98
I said I really don't care.
00:21:10.01\00:21:11.55
Cheri: I've done that
I can't do this again.
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And he came home.
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You know I came home,
and I remember when I called
00:21:15.35\00:21:20.77
you that night, my
life I knew it was over.
00:21:20.80\00:21:25.09
This wasn't the first
time that this had happened,
00:21:25.12\00:21:28.12
multiple times, I hadn't
been faithful to you on more
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than one occasion.
00:21:31.71\00:21:32.85
I thought well Lord, I've hit
bottom what am I going to do?
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In that motel room I
prayed and asked God to help me.
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Of course I was coming
down from being on Meth for
00:21:39.71\00:21:42.40
several days and I've got
home and said hello to you.
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We hardly said anything,
she had nothing to say to me.
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I walked back into the
bedroom and I picked up this
00:21:51.13\00:21:54.05
Bible and I opened it up.
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And I opened it up to
just where I am right now.
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I say God help
me what do I need?
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Man I've got to say
even with Dave and C. A.,
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I don't know if you were
in on the discussions but,
00:22:05.53\00:22:07.77
Dave the Meth addict,
that blew his face off had
00:22:07.80\00:22:11.68
hundreds of pictures on
a DVD that we were going
00:22:11.71\00:22:16.29
to show during his program.
00:22:16.32\00:22:18.29
Because you know when the
police came into the crime
00:22:18.32\00:22:19.94
scene, they came into pull
him off of floor thinking he
00:22:19.97\00:22:22.63
was dead, his entire
face laid on the floor,
00:22:22.66\00:22:25.14
and he started talking.
00:22:25.17\00:22:26.97
It's like, everybody is
like this, it is so not right.
00:22:27.00\00:22:30.59
His son, his
children are screaming and
00:22:30.62\00:22:33.16
his wife is screaming.
00:22:33.19\00:22:34.37
One of the sons called his mom.
00:22:34.40\00:22:36.06
His mom came over and she
is screaming and he is alive.
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So the staff here went
through the pictures to see what
00:22:39.54\00:22:43.20
we could actually
show. C. A.: Yeah!
00:22:43.23\00:22:44.99
Dave went in, as he
teaches, he went in and have
00:22:45.02\00:22:49.26
pictures of Meth labs,
has pictures of this one
00:22:49.29\00:22:51.89
couple that was
so strung out that
00:22:51.92\00:22:55.25
they forgot to feed their child.
00:22:55.28\00:22:57.56
They found the baby with
rigor mortis and dead in the
00:22:57.59\00:23:01.20
crib. C. A.: Incredible!
00:23:01.23\00:23:02.76
They just forgot to feed him,
forgot that he was even there,
00:23:02.79\00:23:04.58
and not only, and
this was days and days and
00:23:04.61\00:23:08.19
days that this kid was not fed.
00:23:08.22\00:23:10.42
They have pictures of this.
00:23:10.45\00:23:11.75
They have pictures of
kids coming out of the Meth lab
00:23:11.78\00:23:14.36
with sores all around
their face, and they finally
00:23:14.39\00:23:17.25
figure out those were
cockroaches that were eating
00:23:17.28\00:23:19.95
their skin while
these kids slept.
00:23:19.98\00:23:22.02
They were so much
filth in these places.
00:23:22.05\00:23:23.91
As we were trying to
figure out what even kind of
00:23:23.94\00:23:26.26
pictures we could show,
what they said is we can't
00:23:26.29\00:23:28.41
hardly show any of this.
00:23:28.44\00:23:29.91
Yeah we had to pull the
plug on so many of them because
00:23:29.94\00:23:32.04
they are just so very, very
strong, and yet they are not
00:23:32.07\00:23:35.52
made up, they are
not things we invented,
00:23:35.55\00:23:38.28
it wasn't done in the studio.
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That is the life that
they live. Cheri: Exactly!
00:23:39.74\00:23:42.56
That's the life that many,
you said just a moment ago,
00:23:42.59\00:23:44.86
when you look at these,
everybody thinks they are the
00:23:44.89\00:23:47.41
only one, yet there are
so many thousands, tens of
00:23:47.44\00:23:51.48
thousands who are
suffering that way.
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The good thing is,
Cheri: and so predictable,
00:23:53.25\00:23:55.80
and so predictable,
what is unpredictable is
00:23:55.83\00:23:57.71
what God is going to do
for you when you get straight.
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How is He going to
use this individual.
00:24:00.12\00:24:02.57
right that is
what is unpredictable.
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So we look at the story
where a fellow tried to kill
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himself and all he
did is rearrange his face.
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Then science has to come
back and rearrange it again,
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now God is rearranging his life.
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He is actively rearranging
the lives of other people,
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that's what makes
this so great, so powerful.
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Cheri: it's absolutely
to me, I'm so proud of God,
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for one, when some of
these folks stand up there so
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much shame in who they
are and what they have done,
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and the extent of where
they have been in their life
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that they don't
want to stand up and
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they don't want to
share it with anybody.
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I don't want to tell
you how bad I have been,
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I don't want to show you
what that lifestyle looks like,
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and because you know what
some of it is so disgusting
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that I'm afraid of what
you will think about me.
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God says you know what,
there is going to be a time,
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and when
somebody told me this C.A.
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I was just like, are you nuts?
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There is going to be a
time that you use every
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single thing, that you
will bring every single thing
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to the table because it
helps to vindicate who God is,
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it helps to vindicate what
is wrong with this lifestyle.
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What is wrong with the
lifestyle that's it can
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so take you under its control
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that you will not
even feed your child?
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You will not even care if
you are sleeping on top of
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chemicals that can blow
the entire city block up.
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You won't even care, you
will not even care that your
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child has Meth sores and
they are only 3 years old,
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because you are so twisted.
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God says I will take all
that kind of stuff and you'll
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use it in ministry, and most
of us say you got to be kidding.
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God says, Oh
absolutely not that's who I Am.
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Will be right back stay
with us and you will be even
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more blessed with the next
things we that share with you.
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Come back!
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