Welcome to
Celebrating Life In Recovery.
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I'm Cheri, your host.
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Today we are
going to look at drugs.
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All kinds of drugs,
amphetamines, pot, heroine
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and all that stuff and we are
going to answer some questions,
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but mainly we are going to
look at the power of prayer.
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Come join us.
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We are going to cover a
lot of information today.
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We are going to talk about
drugs, and I am going to try
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and cover every single
thing that Mary Holley knows.
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Doctor Holley thank
you for joining us again.
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I loved having you
on the show before.
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Thank you very much.
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You have researched a
lot on drugs, especially meth
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amphetamines, can you
recap why the interest?
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I became involved with
the methamphetamine issue when
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it affected my family.
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My brother was 22 when he
got hooked on crystal and he
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was 24 when it killed him.
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First it made him crazy,
made him delusional, he thought
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the police could
see through the walls.
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He thought they
could read his mind.
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He was at a party one
night and the fellow next to him
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got a hit of crystal
and had a heart attack and
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died right in front of
him. - Right in front of him!
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But he thought because his
finger prints were on the flask
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he thought he would get
framed for the murder of this
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fellow so he wanted to run
right away and go to Mexico.
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My mother knew that a crazy
white boy wouldn't last five
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minutes in Mexico so
she brought him to my house.
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See what you can do Mary.
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You were a doctor? - I
was an obstetrician delivering
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babies, so I took him to
my friend a Physiatrist that
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diagnosed him
paranoia schizophrenia.
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- Which he wasn't?
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- Well he was a drug
induced Schizophrenic,
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but there is a difference.
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I know there is a difference
because I was on the street
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for 10 years so I saw a
lot of my friends go from being
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just normal and having
fun, partying and things all the
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way to very psychotic.
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One of my best friends turned
into an orange, he would sit
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there and just spit, and I
would say what are you doing?
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He said I'm making orange juice.
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We all laughed and thought
that was hilarious, but he in
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the state hospital for
years and sat there and spit.
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Yeah, it will cause a
syndrome very much like
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schizophrenia but for 90%
of them it goes away when they
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have been clean
for a year or more.
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Only 10 % remain psychotic
the rest of their lives.
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We have to say that
again for anybody watching the
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show that is on meth.
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If you are on meth right
now and you stop, your paranoid
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would go away in about
a year. - About a year.
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We want it to happen
right now, over night.
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Yeah, and it does improve
very quickly when they get
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clean, but your still
hallucinating occasionally up to
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a year after using meth.
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Then 10 % of them require
medicine the rest of their life,
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but the vast majority don't.
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They restore the mental
faculties, they restore their
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memories, start
laughing and cutting up again.
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They enjoy their life again, but
it will not happen over night.
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I want you to share, I went
on your website one time and
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I saw a different things
that you have learned in your
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research, different
things about different drugs.
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Can we start out with, how
about the drug that everyone
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says is not big deal? Pot!
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Oh, Yes! - No big
deal, I'm just smoking weed.
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Marijuana causes memory
loss and loss of judgment and
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reasoning, you do stupid things.
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You lose motivation, you
don't care about going to work
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tomorrow, don't care
about paying the bills.
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That apathy just
pervades every part of life.
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Memory loss can last
for years after stopping.
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There is a loss of IQ points
which is just about as much
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as you get from
fetal alcohol syndrome,
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it's not a benign drug.
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When I talk with kids,
they will say I am just smoking
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weed and it is no problem.
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I'll ask them, when you
go to the movies do you enjoy
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the movies? Oh Yeah! Do
you smoke weed before you go?
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Yeah! Would you enjoy it
as much if you didn't smoke
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weed? Well why would I even go?
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It is like, you use to
be able to go to the movies
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without smoking weed,
when you go to visit friends do
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you go over there, or do
you smoke weed and then go
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over there that everything
becomes why I smoke weed
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first, if I play video games.
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We go to get a bag of
weed first, smoke weed first.
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So everything becomes
that I do it on this drug.
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If I am not on the drug
I don't enjoy the activity.
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Um Hummm! Yeah their mind
becomes organized around it.
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When they stop using it,
they feel grouchy and irritable,
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the lights are too
bright, the sounds are too loud.
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It takes about 28-days
for the biochemical change in
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the brain to reverse and the
nerves to start firing correctly
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again and during that
28-days you are miserable
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until you get another joint.
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So you have mentioned
the brain a couple times.
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Can you tell us what
actually happens in the brain?
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Know that I am an addict
in recovery, you have to keep
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it simple, no I
have studied this.
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I love this stuff because
I think when you know what
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happens in the brain,
you make better choices.
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Yes, and when addicts under
- stand what the drug is doing
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to their brain, they
seem to recover some hope.
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It's not that I am a derelict,
this drugs making me a derelict.
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It is not that I am stupid,
the drug is making me stupid.
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When they start realizing
that, they start having
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some hope about them.
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Yeah I can recover and
become functional again.
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With any addiction?
Especially with methamphetamine
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Methamphetamine causes
sever brain dysfunction,
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it affects every aspect of life.
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You can't nurture or
protect your children.
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Can't enjoy a good meal, you
can't remember what you talked
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about this morning, you
forget about it this afternoon.
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So many functions are
involved with methamphetamine,
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it makes them wonder whether
they are every going to be
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alive again, especially that
first few months of recovery.
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You are so depressed,
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- it's horrible because
you would really rather die.
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Yes! - Even when someone
says if I can use again, if I
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even could drink again, if
I can get online and look at
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one more porn site again
is that for at least a moment
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I feel alive and don't realize
if you really get through
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that, time, if you give
yourself time you will start
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feeling alive
without the addiction.
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Right, Right! - So tell us
a little bit about synopsis
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and dopamine and all that stuff.
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Okay, I always introduced
in terms of Cell A and Cell B.
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Cell A and Cell B are
separated by a layer of fluid,
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they can't touch
directly or they will short out.
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They are
electorally charged. - Right!
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So they are separated
by fluid and we communicate
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across the
fluid using chemicals.
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They are called
neuro-transmitters.
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When Cell A releases this neuro-
transmitter and it gets on the
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receiving Cell, then Cell
B says I know what that is.
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That is Cell A
trying to tell me something.
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It sends a little feed-back
signal to Cell A and says,
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I heard you, you can stop now.
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So that stops the
normal transition, but when the
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amphetamine gets into the
picture, it is shoveling out
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dopamine a hundred
miles an hour with no chemical
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electrical signal to trigger
it, it is just dumped out
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there and the receiving
Cell is overwhelmed by excess
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of dopamine and just shuts down.
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It's like I heard you, I
heard you, I heard you and
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eventually stops. Yeah! If
you won't shut up I will have
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to hang up the phone.
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So that is what Cell B
does, it hangs up the phone.
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Disconnects it's receptors,
cuts them right off the Cell.
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Now, after awhile of using, Cell
A can't talk anymore, it's vocal
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cords are ruptured, and
Cell B can't hear anymore,
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it's hung up the phone.
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Cell A and Cell B are your
ability to control your temper.
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Your ability to nurture your
children, your ability to get
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up and work,
laugh and enjoy life.
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What's interesting is when
these two stop communicating,
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it really is every single thing.
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When the sun hits your skin
and you think that feels great,
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you can't communicate that
anymore so I cannot feel it.
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When somebody laughs, when
somebody tries to reach out,
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I can't feel it,
it is not the same.
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That is so devastating.
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Sometimes it is very
long - lasting, I've talked to
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fellows in the state Penn that
are a year out and still feel
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like plastic, like
they can't feel anything.
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When am I going to
be able to feel again?
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I don't know what to
tell them because some of this
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damage is permanent, the
methamphetamine is unique among
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all the drugs of abuse in
that it causes real holes in
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the brain, definite
structural defects in the brain.
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How does that happen?
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It has been made out of battery
acid and hydrosominia? and
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Red Devil Lye, well when
you metabolize that stuff down,
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break it down in your
body, you turn it back into
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Red Devil Lye and battery acid.
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That stuff eats a hole in
the brain or your other tissues
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as well, eats a hole
in the lungs and heart.
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It's interesting for a lot
of the drugs we can break them
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down and flush
them from our system.
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With those acids, we cannot
so they pass the brain barrier
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and literally drop onto
our brain tissue, which is soft
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tissue. - Yes, it is very
sensitive, delicate tissue and
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it doesn't take very
much poison to destroy.
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When one brain Cell dies,
it is unique to the brain,
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no other tissue does this.
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When one brain Cell dies,
it releases toxins to kill all
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the neighbors, so the
radius of destruction expands,
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the more you use
the bigger it gets.
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There are big structural holes.
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Of course, as you are speaking,
we are putting graphics
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up for that, but one of
the things, I think is amazing,
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when I first saw that, it
looked to me like it wasn't
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even a brain, I mean when
you see a normal brain and then
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you see the brain with
the holes in it you think they
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look like craters! - Craters,
that's a good description of it.
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Those craters are not just
on the surface, they are all
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the way through
the middle of it too.
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I have talked to people
who have gotten out of prison
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and say, I just can't read
anymore, all the letters just
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swim together and
it doesn't make sense.
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Well you can't
read you can't work,
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the man's an electrician.
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So he has to go back to
school and get the second grade
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readers out and teach himself
how to read all over again.
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Because the area
of the brain that knew
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how to read is gone? - right!
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You have to teach another
bunch of Cells how to read.
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It's amazing we are so
adaptable, stop using and
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your brain will
actually rewire, retract things.
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Oh dramatically, this is
been shown in many different
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context that the brain does
remodel and rewire and restore.
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I'm so grateful for that.
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- well it says in the
Bible in Philippians that if you
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think on good things, if
you think on things that are
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right, and true, and good,
and gracious, your brain heals.
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That is not just
Bible talk, that brain talk.
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What's incredible, as an
addict, I can look at those
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things and think, God knows
what is going to restore me.
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A lot of times people think,
or say those are nice words.
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They are not, He created us and
He knows how our brain works.
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He knows about our recovery.
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When we speak good things
into our hearts, our brains
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reorganize themselves, so
thinking good things become
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more natural spontaneously.
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Controlling your temper
becomes easy and natural.
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You don't have to think
about that stuff anymore,
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it becomes part of you.
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Take your time,
again it takes time.
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Making a commitment to
recovery no matter how you feel.
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It is not about
how you feel. - Yes!
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When you talk about, okay
synapses, and in neuro there
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is a, and we have talked
about this in the other show,
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but my favorite little
track, talk about that.
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A retro... - your favorite
little track in the brain is
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called visiculous-retro-flexis?.
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Okay I want all of us to
say that, but it is my favorite.
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I had no idea that we had
something literally going from
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the frontal lobe to the back
of our brain with our animal
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instincts that really
help us to choose right.
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This is the thing that
gives you your conscious mind,
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where you make decisions
and have rational thought.
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It gives you control over
the urges, drives, and cravings
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they come out of
the bottom of the brain.
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So you can control your
cravings, you can control your
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temper, you can control
your impulses, but when those
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Cells get damaged you don't
control that stuff anymore.
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- exactly - it controls you!
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I wonder why, why
can't I just say no?
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You don't have the
ability because you are not
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using your frontal lobe.
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The frontal lobe is used,
but it is not connected to the
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behavior, and so that
is the fallacy of cognitive
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behavioral therapy
that has been used for
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so many years at rehab centers.
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It has its role, it has a
place, but we can't rely on
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cognitive behavioral
therapy to get us out of meth
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amphetamine, the
connection between cognitive and
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behavioral isn't there anymore.
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We have to heal that process
and that takes a lot of time,
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12 to even 18 months.
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Doctor Holley, is it just meth
that destroys that connection?
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Methamphetamine does it the
fastest and the most devastating
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way, but cocaine
damages the same bunch of Cells.
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So does alcohol and inhalants,
they all damage that same
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little track
that causes addiction.
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So when that track is
damaged, the electrical current
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does not happen? - right!
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In fact electrical
activity goes the other way,
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the impulses and desires
to control the cortex instead
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of the cortex controlling
the impulses and desires.
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That is huge! - yes it is huge.
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I think for a lot of us we
have no idea, we think that we
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are in control when in fact
we are no longer in control.
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That is what the feeling of
addicts have come they think
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I can use just once, this
fantasy of controlled use.
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They have the idea that they
can use just once and get by
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with it, the next time
they use they will speak smarter
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about it, they won't
get into as much trouble.
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They will keep their job,
they will pay their bills,
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they will do better next time.
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That is a fantasy
and it is not reality.
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Once those Cells have been
damaged you don't control that
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behavior anymore, you
look for strength from the
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Holy Spirit to overcome
those impulses because you don't
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have that natural track
that makes it easier and
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spontaneous and natural
to control those impulses.
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You need a power of
Almighty God to control's those
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impulses, you're
helpless over it.
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The next step of AA is
recognizing we are helpless.
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Yes we are helpless, we don't
have those neurons anymore.
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We are relying on
God for that control.
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For a lot of people that
want an addict to come in and
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just behave, I think what
they don't realize is that it
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is going to take a good
year for us to sit down with a
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structured program, and
people have healed outside of AA
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in different programs,
but it is not just because
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we sit there
and know what to do.
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I have to be in a program,
I have to be around people
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that tell me, don't rely on
yourself, don't think you are
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going to know what
to do, ask somebody,
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let somebody model for
you the right behavior because
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I am not making
those connections.
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To me the saddest thing is
to watch an addict stumble into
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a church and him
or her to sit there.
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I know that they are lost.
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Addicts heal in communities,
they heal with people around
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them that understand what
they're going through and can
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pray with them, and help
them understand themselves.
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You do not heal in
isolation, you have to heal in
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community with
people who understand you.
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By that time, I believe for
myself anyway when I stopped
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using, I didn't even
know who myself was anymore.
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Who am I? And I seen things
done and done things myself
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with these drugs that I
was just praying it was not me.
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You know what I mean, I'm
praying that's not who I am.
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So I think in community,
we have talked about this on
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other shows, when you
start getting affirmed and walk
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with and discipled by someone,
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that you literally have
that restoration easier.
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The most powerful things addicts
do in community is to learn how
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to pray, they learn how to pray
genuine and effective prayers.
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This is not lip service,
it's not reading out of a book,
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this is real prayer, this
is real guts, and real crying.
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If you are not willing to
be genuine with the people
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around you, you can't do it.
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This is hard enough, but
don't play your own recovery.
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- yet we can't play games here.
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The other pillar of
recovery is the intense and
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intelligence study of the Bible.
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I recommend a 12 step
Bible that Tyndale publishes.
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- I love that. -
I love that Bible.
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It is so real, and really
the addicts families get as
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much out of it as
the addict themselves.
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You know for the people
who haven't seen that Bible,
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it's incredible,
it is my study Bible.
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You are reading along and
they have the devotionals all
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through the Bible that
are about different parts of
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recovery, different things you
you need to know about honesty.
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So you will read a story in
the Bible and all of a sudden
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the devotion will tell you
why that story is important
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and how it relates to recovery.
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It brings it to life, a
lot of people thought 12 steps
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is on one page and
the Bible is over here and
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they don't have anything
to do with each other, oh no,
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those two are married.
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The 12 steps are solidly
biblical, they lead to deep
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repentance and real
restoration, but they need
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to be joined
with the word of God,
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that is where
their power comes from.
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It's good to know that it
is Jesus is blood that covers
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me and He will
restore me to sanity.
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It is His
righteousness not ours.
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- and the Holy
Spirit will live in me.
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So let's talk about, what
are some of the things you saw
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in your research,
after your brother's death,
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that was the hardest for you?
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I guess what I'm asking
is that when I first started
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seeing the downfall of
addicts, just pictures of them
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into recovery, or that
thing I was just shocked.
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What kinds of things
where you felt shocked?
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I saw pictures of their teeth
falling out, and their hair
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turning to straw, cheeks
sunken in, they are wasted and
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destroyed by this drug and
they are totally oblivious.
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I saw a woman walking downtown
Huntsville a few months ago,
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I just pulled over because I
had to answer the Cell phone.
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I can't drive and answer
the Cell phone at the same time.
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I was parked there by the
side of the road and here comes
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this woman staggering
across the parking lot.
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She could barely walk, I
knew she was strung out on meth.
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There was nothing
I could do for her.
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Once you have experienced
it you can see it so clearly
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everywhere. - the pasty
skin, the dilated pupils,
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can't focus, staggering,
can't hold herself up,
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and she was just as skinny
as a rail and barely dressed.
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I have seen women,
I'm sure you have too,
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even pregnant in those states.
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I look at that and think
what about their children?
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The babies are born usually
premature and always very
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small, because
they are malnourished.
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The oxygen supplied to
the placenta was not what it
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should be, many of them
have signs of seizures or even
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Cerebral Palsy as
we follow them out.
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Many of them have ADHD,
or learning disabilities that
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will follow them
throughout their lives.
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If those children are raised
in a nurturing environment,
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where they are loved and
fed and cared for, a lot of that
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reverses and with proper
intervention you can get a
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healthy two-year-old
out of that situation.
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But if that child is sent
home with a squeaker mother who
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then shakes that child,
abuses that child, doesn't feed
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that child, he
doesn't have a chance.
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Right, and the neurochemistry
for that child just gets
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worse and worse. - it does!
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The children, as they
grow up in an abusive home,
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a drug abusing home in
particular, they learn that,
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that is normal,
they think that is how
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you're supposed to do things.
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Whatever daddy does,
must be the right thing to do.
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So the kid is 10 years
old and he is using too.
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When seventh-grade he is
12 years old, now he has been
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promoted, he's daddies dealer
and he thinks he's smarter
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than anybody he knows.
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In ninth grade the kid
is up for murder charges.
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It is the same child eating
dog food six years ago because
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no one would feed him, and
now he's up on murder charges.
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I know people say there is
no excuse for certain behaviors,
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but my heart
breaks for that child.
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I know the history, I know
every single thing that led up
00:21:04.12\00:21:07.58
to that and I also
know the power of this drug.
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It is huge. - all the
lies that kid believes.
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He thinks he's worthless, he
thinks he's useless and believes
00:21:13.20\00:21:18.04
that, and so he acts like it.
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If I think I'm just an animal,
I'm going to act like an animal.
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You talk with a lot of people
in prison, in rehab centers.
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So what is it
that you say to them?
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Do you think it gets through?
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Yes, the main thing that
they come to me with is their
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anger, they are enraged,
they are mad at their peers,
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they are mad at their dealer,
they are mad at the arresting
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officer, they're mad at
the legal system, they are mad
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at their
attorney, they are angry.
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Just boiling over
with anger. - right!
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I take that anger to
the cross of Jesus Christ.
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That is where
we have to take it.
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Yeah, what happened to
you was brutal and obscene.
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That cross is
brutal and obscene.
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You don't have to pretend
it didn't happen, and you don't
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have to pretend it didn't hurt.
00:22:06.56\00:22:08.11
You take real pain and
real rage to the foot of this
00:22:08.14\00:22:11.35
cross because guys,
that's real, and you do not
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have to be controlled
by your anger anymore.
00:22:14.17\00:22:16.89
I don't have to excuse it.
00:22:16.93\00:22:18.11
You don't have to wallpaper
over it, I can accept it.
00:22:18.15\00:22:22.25
Yes I am enraged
because I was raped when
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I was 8 years old
and that was wrong.
00:22:24.34\00:22:26.28
That man hanging on a
cross is paying for it.
00:22:26.31\00:22:30.03
You do not have
to gloss over it.
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The flip side of that,
after we have been talking about
00:22:32.52\00:22:36.15
that for a little while,
then we're talking about,
00:22:36.19\00:22:38.11
well what have
you done to your kids?
00:22:38.15\00:22:40.24
I mean you are here in jail,
there is a good reason for it.
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What have you done to your dad?
00:22:42.61\00:22:44.33
What have you
done to your mother?
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Let's take your shame and your
guilt to the very same cross,
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guys, He died for you too.
00:22:49.85\00:22:51.99
He died for you too,
you don't have to deny it,
00:22:52.03\00:22:55.43
you don't have to
play games with Him.
00:22:55.46\00:22:57.50
He'll explain the
part that can be explained.
00:22:57.54\00:23:00.48
He will excuse the part that
can be excused, the part that
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somebody else's fault,
it is somebody else's fault.
00:23:02.83\00:23:05.55
It's the part that's
left over, the part that says,
00:23:05.59\00:23:08.28
I did it and there
is no excuse for it,
00:23:08.31\00:23:11.21
that is the part He forgives.
00:23:11.25\00:23:13.97
When He has forgiven
you, you can forgive yourself,
00:23:14.00\00:23:18.84
restore your dignity and
self- respect and now you can
00:23:18.87\00:23:23.67
heal from your addiction,
it's a whole new world.
00:23:23.71\00:23:27.49
Now I can see in their
eyes they hear you, they so long
00:23:27.52\00:23:30.69
for someone to
say there is hope.
00:23:30.72\00:23:32.48
They often don't
understand with their minds,
00:23:32.52\00:23:34.59
but they
understand what their hearts.
00:23:34.62\00:23:36.41
My heart is speaking to
your heart and you will remember
00:23:36.45\00:23:40.36
it tomorrow. - right!
00:23:40.40\00:23:42.08
With any addiction, it's like
being able to get that basic,
00:23:42.12\00:23:46.15
you have to be able to get to
God, you have to understand that
00:23:46.18\00:23:50.17
He knows your insanity
and He wants to restore you.
00:23:50.21\00:23:53.34
He has paid the price and
He wants to help you learn to
00:23:53.37\00:23:56.47
forgive, and He
wants to forgive you.
00:23:56.51\00:23:58.08
Now let's stand up and
it will be a daily walk.
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We are going to have to
work at this and pay attention
00:24:02.29\00:24:05.89
to what we put in
our bodies every day.
00:24:05.92\00:24:08.23
We must be aware of
what we put in our minds.
00:24:08.27\00:24:10.35
But it is a walk we don't
walk by our self, He is within
00:24:10.39\00:24:14.71
us giving courage, wisdom,
the courage and strength to do
00:24:14.74\00:24:19.03
what we know we have to do.
00:24:19.06\00:24:20.72
You can know that it is wrong
to go to this party and that
00:24:20.76\00:24:23.55
you should do this instead,
but you need strength within
00:24:23.59\00:24:26.34
you to make that decision.
00:24:26.38\00:24:27.79
You don't have the necessary
neurons to do by yourself.
00:24:27.83\00:24:32.18
He does it within
you, He is holy within you.
00:24:32.22\00:24:36.29
This is not rocket
science, He does it within you.
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That's amazing, and as that
restores, as those tracks to
00:24:39.52\00:24:44.02
restore those neurochemistry's
restores, you can
00:24:44.06\00:24:46.49
literally see it on a
PET scan, that fascinates me.
00:24:46.53\00:24:48.88
All of a sudden when I
start using my brain again,
00:24:48.92\00:24:51.20
when I'm starting to pay
attention and being able to use
00:24:51.24\00:24:54.05
my frontal lobes, I
can see it on a PET scan.
00:24:54.08\00:24:58.83
I can bring up a graphic
for you, I'll show you which one
00:24:58.87\00:25:02.08
to put in where the brain
recovers over a 14 month period.
00:25:02.11\00:25:05.70
You see one month clean,
the guy has no read stuff in his
00:25:05.73\00:25:09.29
mid-brain, the red stuff
is dopamine transmissions.
00:25:09.32\00:25:13.57
Cell A talking to Cell B.
00:25:13.61\00:25:15.10
By the time the guy is
14 months clean, Cell A and
00:25:15.14\00:25:18.67
Cell B have started talking
to teach other, the red stuff
00:25:18.71\00:25:20.84
came back, healing is
occurring in the brain.
00:25:20.88\00:25:25.66
This is not just somebody
going through the motions,
00:25:25.70\00:25:29.45
this is real healing in a
real brain track that really
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makes a
difference in your lives.
00:25:33.24\00:25:34.84
So when someone says
it's easier for me to make
00:25:34.88\00:25:36.70
a decision today, it
is literally is because
00:25:36.73\00:25:38.52
your brain is restoring itself.
00:25:38.55\00:25:40.57
That's a sign, and we gotta
to know that, we gotta know
00:25:40.60\00:25:43.99
that, so we don't feel so
helpless, the first little while
00:25:44.02\00:25:46.93
when we feel like we can't
make a decision, when we have
00:25:46.97\00:25:49.66
to rely on someone else,
we have to call someone else.
00:25:49.69\00:25:52.35
It is brutal that
first three months.
00:25:52.38\00:25:54.58
That three months they
hit a wall and they think they
00:25:54.62\00:25:57.42
are not going to make
it, I'm not going to make it.
00:25:57.46\00:26:00.23
- you feel like
you're going to die.
00:26:00.26\00:26:01.50
But if they hang on, they
can march through that first six
00:26:01.53\00:26:04.35
months and things
start looking better.
00:26:04.38\00:26:06.48
You have good days
to match the bad days.
00:26:06.51\00:26:08.76
You start laughing
and cutting up again.
00:26:08.80\00:26:10.98
You start remembering
things, you start feeling more
00:26:11.01\00:26:13.96
motivated and want to go to work
00:26:14.00\00:26:15.39
and do something meaningful.
00:26:15.43\00:26:16.76
In about a year, then
all that comes together.
00:26:16.79\00:26:20.43
You're thinking, I
used to live in the gutter,
00:26:20.46\00:26:24.06
I don't live in
the gutter anymore.
00:26:24.09\00:26:26.67
We're going to take a break and
then open it up for questions.
00:26:26.70\00:26:29.11
Every time I hear you
speak, I feel so much hope,
00:26:29.14\00:26:32.50
not only for myself but
for every addict out there,
00:26:32.54\00:26:35.86
everybody that is
watching this show that is
00:26:35.89\00:26:38.26
dealing with a loved
one that is strung now,
00:26:38.29\00:26:40.90
know that God is so
bigger than all that.
00:26:40.94\00:26:43.48
He has created us in a way
that all the damage we have
00:26:43.51\00:26:47.88
done, in time, corrects itself.
00:26:47.91\00:26:50.81
We may be left with some of
it, but you would be surprised,
00:26:50.84\00:26:54.70
eat right, think right, and put
your hands together and pray.
00:26:54.74\00:26:58.56
We will be right back!
00:26:58.60\00:27:00.02
Think you've seen
it all? Think again.
00:27:05.80\00:27:08.57
Cheri Peters is back
for a second season of
00:27:08.60\00:27:12.26
Celebrating Life In
Recovery with more lives
00:27:12.30\00:27:15.92
more stories and more miracles.
00:27:15.96\00:27:18.82
Watch the shocking,
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00:27:18.85\00:27:23.11
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00:27:25.49\00:27:28.98
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of reality, Cheri style.
00:27:29.01\00:27:32.46
Thanks for coming back.
00:27:47.01\00:27:47.98
Doctor Holley, I know
that you travel a lot,
00:27:47.99\00:27:50.64
when you travel,
what is your audience and
00:27:50.68\00:27:53.34
who calls for your engagements?
00:27:53.37\00:27:55.63
I get a variety of
audiences, I go to prisons and
00:27:55.66\00:27:58.76
rehabilitation centers,
especially in North Alabama.
00:27:58.80\00:28:03.03
I also teaching in churches,
talk to moms and dads and
00:28:03.07\00:28:07.26
youth, and boy that is powerful.
00:28:07.30\00:28:09.75
I always assumed there
are four or five addicts in my
00:28:09.78\00:28:11.63
audience, so I drill
them about the cross.
00:28:11.66\00:28:13.99
I take them to the cross
of Jesus Christ for healing.
00:28:14.03\00:28:17.26
Then on the other side I
do a lot of secular work with
00:28:17.30\00:28:20.50
teachers and lawyers
and doctors and nurses.
00:28:20.54\00:28:23.69
Sometimes employer
groups about a drug-free
00:28:23.72\00:28:26.84
work place act clause.
00:28:26.88\00:28:28.42
You worked where
I lived not long ago
00:28:28.45\00:28:30.74
talking with professionals.
00:28:30.77\00:28:32.23
That was a full eight
hour seminar for professionals.
00:28:32.26\00:28:35.88
It ran the gamut from
biochemistry for rehabilitation
00:28:35.92\00:28:39.50
professionals all the
way to school strategies,
00:28:39.53\00:28:42.87
what schools
districts can do to reduce
00:28:42.90\00:28:44.77
drug use in their schools.
00:28:44.80\00:28:46.26
When you got done
talking I had people calling me,
00:28:46.30\00:28:48.24
Cheri, do you know
who Doctor Mary Holley is?
00:28:48.28\00:28:51.03
She was amazing, they were
so thrilled with what you had
00:28:51.07\00:28:55.29
shared with them and
felt fully empowered by the
00:28:55.32\00:28:57.42
information,
which is incredible.
00:28:57.45\00:28:59.26
Yes, I always give a solution.
00:28:59.30\00:29:01.03
And I'm going to
present a problem,
00:29:01.07\00:29:02.68
I'm also going to
present a solution.
00:29:02.72\00:29:04.26
If talking about drug endangered
children, I'm going to
00:29:04.30\00:29:06.75
talk about intervention that
we can do to help those kids.
00:29:06.78\00:29:09.20
If were talking about
problems in the schools,
00:29:09.24\00:29:11.24
I'm going to talk about programs
we can do in the schools
00:29:11.28\00:29:13.75
to educate and prevent
drugs abuse in our students.
00:29:13.79\00:29:16.50
If we're talking
about medical issues,
00:29:16.53\00:29:18.69
I'm going to talk about the
treatments for those medical
00:29:18.73\00:29:20.81
issues, the heart
attacks and strokes.
00:29:20.84\00:29:22.92
I will always bring a
solution to the table.
00:29:22.96\00:29:25.56
What's interesting for the
people watching, or at the café,
00:29:25.60\00:29:29.96
you have 'Power Over
Addictions', CDs, books,
00:29:30.00\00:29:36.75
and CDs for teenagers.
00:29:36.78\00:29:39.11
You have books on crystal
meth and videos that go with
00:29:39.15\00:29:42.17
that, so you really cover a
lot of this in your material.
00:29:42.21\00:29:45.20
So when people talk to
me and say, I'm not sure
00:29:45.24\00:29:49.98
I know enough about addictions.
00:29:50.02\00:29:52.36
I'm thinking, get yourself
educated, get some books.
00:29:52.40\00:29:55.31
If you don't like to
read get some CDs, but educate
00:29:55.35\00:29:58.20
yourself because the more
educated we are, especially as
00:29:58.23\00:30:01.77
a church or in our communities,
the more we can help to
00:30:01.81\00:30:05.60
bring in solutions instead
of just aggravate the problems.
00:30:05.64\00:30:09.40
Yes, the more we
know the less we fear.
00:30:09.43\00:30:11.33
It we don't know very much
about addiction we are afraid
00:30:11.37\00:30:14.83
of addicts, we
don't like addicts.
00:30:14.87\00:30:16.97
But if we understand
addiction, we can reach out with
00:30:17.00\00:30:19.51
compassion to those addicts.
00:30:19.54\00:30:21.63
We are not expecting
them, we just what you shared
00:30:21.66\00:30:24.82
with us, we aren't expecting
them the next day to make
00:30:24.85\00:30:27.75
a major decisions, that
we know it's going to take a
00:30:27.79\00:30:30.64
good year for this person
to start making decisions and
00:30:30.67\00:30:33.49
being on their own.
00:30:33.52\00:30:34.97
So our expectations change.
00:30:35.00\00:30:37.10
We understand what they
are up against biochemically,
00:30:37.14\00:30:40.91
and we don't expect a
miracle, but what we do witness
00:30:40.94\00:30:44.68
is kind of a miracle.
00:30:44.71\00:30:46.24
We are watching the
blossoming of the Holy Spirit in
00:30:46.28\00:30:49.64
somebody's life and it is
almost like watching Lazarus
00:30:49.67\00:30:53.00
rise from the
dead. It is beautiful!
00:30:53.03\00:30:56.08
We are going to open it
up for comments, questions.
00:30:56.11\00:30:59.31
I know Hal you had a comment.
00:30:59.35\00:31:00.90
Yes I did, Doctor Holley
is very interesting that you
00:31:00.93\00:31:03.31
are talking about the
three months, six months as they
00:31:03.34\00:31:06.36
progress into this because
there is a caller that calls
00:31:06.40\00:31:09.46
and in quite often, and
her son, her name is Carolyn.
00:31:09.49\00:31:12.95
Her son never has made it
past three months and he has
00:31:12.98\00:31:15.94
been in like 5 rehabs
and she can't figure this out
00:31:15.97\00:31:18.84
because he seems like
he's doing so good and then he
00:31:18.87\00:31:21.70
gets against a brick
wall and he is back out
00:31:21.73\00:31:24.26
and back in trouble.
00:31:24.29\00:31:25.80
I've been praying for
this young man in the Pastoral
00:31:25.84\00:31:28.62
Department now for three
years, his name is Justin.
00:31:28.66\00:31:31.22
I'm not going to give up
on him, but he could just make
00:31:31.26\00:31:33.82
it past three months do
you feel like that would be
00:31:33.85\00:31:36.38
a turning point for him?
00:31:36.42\00:31:38.12
Three months is a turning
point where they realize the
00:31:38.16\00:31:41.69
value to the
sobriety, at about three months.
00:31:41.72\00:31:44.57
Get past that profound
depression, but if they can't
00:31:44.61\00:31:48.54
get past that profound
depression all by themselves,
00:31:48.57\00:31:51.46
they need a network
of people around them.
00:31:51.49\00:31:53.47
He needs to be in a support
group, or some outpatient
00:31:53.51\00:31:57.45
rehabilitation, or a
halfway house to get past that
00:31:57.49\00:32:01.40
hard first few months.
00:32:01.43\00:32:04.16
Like to just start
appreciating a life again.
00:32:04.20\00:32:06.32
This is amazing what I'm
hearing, and the prayer requests
00:32:06.35\00:32:10.12
that are coming in
from all over the world.
00:32:10.16\00:32:13.76
There are so many
that will call, desperate,
00:32:13.79\00:32:16.89
I mean desperate to
be delivered from this.
00:32:16.93\00:32:19.96
I just asked one man recently,
why did you get on crystal meth?
00:32:20.00\00:32:24.64
He told me I enjoyed smoking
weed, I enjoyed snorting coke,
00:32:24.68\00:32:28.72
but I went to crystal meth.
I said why did you do this?
00:32:28.76\00:32:32.91
If my memory is correct on
this, he said, marijuana is
00:32:32.94\00:32:36.90
$150 an ounce, an eighth
ball, three and half grams of
00:32:36.93\00:32:40.86
cocaine is $250 and
he said, meth is cheap.
00:32:40.89\00:32:45.12
He said not only is it cheap
but it lasts a lot longer than
00:32:45.15\00:32:48.94
the cocaine would
last, and this is why do it.
00:32:48.98\00:32:51.88
I said well are
you able to quit?
00:32:51.92\00:32:54.11
He said no, after the first
time I used this I realized
00:32:54.14\00:32:58.00
that I could not get past this.
00:32:58.03\00:33:00.26
I run into people
although time on the streets,
00:33:00.30\00:33:02.81
and I know you have too,
it is obvious that they are on
00:33:02.84\00:33:07.25
meth, their teeth are rotting
out, their face have holes
00:33:07.29\00:33:11.66
in them and sunk in, like that.
00:33:11.69\00:33:14.03
As a matter of fact, I was
at a dentist office recently,
00:33:14.07\00:33:17.29
he said, they are now holding
seminars, dental seminars,
00:33:17.33\00:33:20.52
for what he
referred to as meth mouth.
00:33:20.55\00:33:23.13
He showed me some pictures
that were horrible, teeth all
00:33:23.17\00:33:27.59
gone, sores inside their
mouth and everything else.
00:33:27.62\00:33:30.88
This is something that every
one of us need to sincerely
00:33:30.91\00:33:34.86
pray about and seek God on.
00:33:34.90\00:33:37.29
Because this thing is a snowball
rolling down the side of
00:33:37.32\00:33:41.06
a snow-covered hill.
00:33:41.09\00:33:42.14
It is growing, and we can't
stick our head somewhere in the
00:33:42.17\00:33:45.53
sand and play an
ostrich, neither can we be
00:33:45.57\00:33:48.01
a lion and roar, we need to
be the Dove and reach out to
00:33:48.04\00:33:51.64
minister to these people.
00:33:51.67\00:33:53.11
I got a prayer request two
weeks ago ended up e-mailing
00:33:53.15\00:33:55.85
the man and
asking him to call me.
00:33:55.89\00:33:57.65
He lives in Chicago and is
moving to Junction city Kansas.
00:33:57.68\00:34:04.13
I couldn't figure
out why are you moving to
00:34:04.17\00:34:05.58
Junction City Kansas?
00:34:05.61\00:34:07.31
He said it's a farming
area, put two and two together.
00:34:07.35\00:34:11.23
The fertilizer everywhere,
what they use to make this
00:34:11.26\00:34:15.10
stuff with, if they can
get the pseudoephedrine.
00:34:15.14\00:34:18.86
I went to Wal-Mart about
two weeks ago, I had some sinus
00:34:18.89\00:34:21.82
problems and was go to get
some Tylenol sinus and I had
00:34:21.85\00:34:24.55
to give a pint of blood,
old yellow dog and my drivers
00:34:24.58\00:34:27.24
license just to get it.
00:34:27.28\00:34:28.76
This is affecting everybody
so people sitting home think
00:34:28.79\00:34:33.60
this doesn't affect me,
they better believe that it will
00:34:33.64\00:34:38.41
affect them, and
affect them big time.
00:34:38.45\00:34:41.19
If you pay taxes
methamphetamine affects you.
00:34:41.23\00:34:43.41
You are paying for the
law- enforcement, incarceration,
00:34:43.44\00:34:46.71
the public hospital visits
where they come in with their
00:34:46.75\00:34:49.98
strokes, the lab cleanup,
the environmental damage,
00:34:50.02\00:34:53.88
the poisoned wells
and destroyed property.
00:34:53.92\00:34:57.31
If you pay taxes, you are
paying for methamphetamine.
00:34:57.34\00:35:00.44
Something else too, I think
we have a tendency to think
00:35:00.47\00:35:03.53
it is the down and
outers that are doing this.
00:35:03.57\00:35:06.67
I have a friend in Kentucky,
I won't tell you names,
00:35:06.70\00:35:10.00
but she and her husband are
very, very, wealthy and their
00:35:10.04\00:35:14.70
son not only does meth, he
started selling meth and now he
00:35:14.73\00:35:19.36
is facing 20
years for doing this.
00:35:19.39\00:35:22.42
Had everything he
wanted, everything he needed,
00:35:22.46\00:35:25.09
not that they just
dished it out to him
00:35:25.12\00:35:27.28
but it was there to ask for.
00:35:27.32\00:35:29.02
It's like the prodigal son's
brother, it was all there for
00:35:29.06\00:35:32.20
the taking and
yet he is into this.
00:35:32.24\00:35:34.03
So it is easy for us to
go after the down and outers,
00:35:34.07\00:35:37.24
but there are up and outers
that need Jesus just as bad
00:35:37.27\00:35:40.41
as the down and outers.
00:35:40.44\00:35:42.19
These people are attracted
to methamphetamine because
00:35:42.23\00:35:45.52
it makes them more effective,
00:35:45.55\00:35:47.00
more powerful,
work longer hours.
00:35:47.03\00:35:49.88
They want to drive
another hundred miles,
00:35:49.91\00:35:51.86
or work a double shift, or
keep their place real clean,
00:35:51.89\00:35:55.58
or chase after three soccer
kids, and they are intelligent
00:35:55.61\00:35:59.26
people that work hard.
00:35:59.30\00:36:01.19
They think they're getting
by with it because they haven't
00:36:01.23\00:36:03.61
gotten to the point where
their teeth are falling out yet.
00:36:03.65\00:36:06.46
They are not sunken in, they
have lost weight yet and they
00:36:06.49\00:36:09.26
think they're
getting by with it.
00:36:09.30\00:36:10.99
They are just as
addicted as the skid row bum.
00:36:11.03\00:36:13.77
So what you are saying is
that the meth does not affect
00:36:13.81\00:36:16.64
the lows, it keeps the
highs up, but you don't go back
00:36:16.67\00:36:19.47
down in the lows when
you first start doing it?
00:36:19.51\00:36:21.79
When you first start using
it makes them feel powerful,
00:36:21.83\00:36:24.12
and attractive, and
intelligent and invincible.
00:36:24.15\00:36:27.06
It is only in the later stages
of addiction that they start
00:36:27.09\00:36:30.63
losing their teeth, losing their
jobs, losing their families.
00:36:30.66\00:36:34.16
By then they are
in a terrible pickle.
00:36:34.19\00:36:38.07
They are mentally addicted
to it, emotionally addicted to
00:36:38.10\00:36:42.04
it, and physically addicted
to it, but they think they are
00:36:42.07\00:36:45.97
just driving in another
100 miles, they are deluded.
00:36:46.01\00:36:50.67
To me it's a powerful thing
that a lot of people don't,
00:36:50.70\00:36:55.33
you just don't see the
end result of meth use.
00:36:55.36\00:36:59.95
A lot of drug use, all of a
sudden it gets you, it comes
00:36:59.98\00:37:04.29
around and bites you
and nothing works anymore.
00:37:04.32\00:37:07.04
I am not getting the same
highs, I'm not feeling the same
00:37:07.07\00:37:09.39
and I'm afraid
this power is a lie.
00:37:09.42\00:37:12.88
Even the addict
eventually will feel that.
00:37:12.92\00:37:15.94
In the early stage addicts
feel so wonderful and powerful
00:37:15.98\00:37:19.89
an intelligent, they don't
realize when they've turned the
00:37:19.93\00:37:23.81
corner and started
becoming self-destructive.
00:37:23.84\00:37:26.43
They still think they are
in control, that is one of the
00:37:26.46\00:37:28.99
effects of the drug, the
hallucination of control.
00:37:29.02\00:37:31.55
Some of these people are
professionals doing six cities
00:37:31.59\00:37:34.74
in four days, one of whom
was an obstetrician in Tulsa,
00:37:34.77\00:37:38.19
Oklahoma, and intelligent,
educated woman delivering babies
00:37:38.23\00:37:41.61
for a living and she took
speed to stay up all night.
00:37:41.65\00:37:44.37
People do that for weight
loss, weight control so there is
00:37:44.41\00:37:48.59
a lot of reasons, but one
of the things I have to say on
00:37:48.62\00:37:52.77
the show is they are
all lies, they are all lies.
00:37:52.80\00:37:56.46
If I could do anything, I
would love to convince people
00:37:56.49\00:38:00.00
to take care of themselves
and get away from their
00:38:00.04\00:38:03.35
addictions, that is
what this show is about.
00:38:03.39\00:38:05.67
Find Christ, turned it
over to Him, step away from your
00:38:05.71\00:38:08.95
addictions before you cannot,
before someone has to intervene.
00:38:08.98\00:38:12.49
Brian, I know that
you had some comments.
00:38:12.53\00:38:15.17
Yeah I have a
comment and a question.
00:38:15.20\00:38:17.77
I thank God that we
serve a God that loves us
00:38:17.80\00:38:21.26
and doesn't give up on us.
00:38:21.30\00:38:22.91
I was a former drug and alcohol
user as someone prayed for
00:38:22.94\00:38:27.55
me, I think the message that
needs to get out there to the
00:38:27.59\00:38:31.31
family members of the
users is, never give up on them.
00:38:31.35\00:38:34.82
Never give up on them, someone
prayed for me and that is
00:38:34.85\00:38:38.29
why I am here today.
00:38:38.32\00:38:39.61
There is a lot people that
just want to give up on these
00:38:39.65\00:38:42.94
drug users, but I thank
God I learned some today,
00:38:42.98\00:38:46.65
Jesus is our healer
and He can restore us back.
00:38:46.69\00:38:49.74
Did it bug you, when you
were in the middle of your
00:38:49.78\00:38:52.77
addiction, they kept coming
up and wanting you to clean up?
00:38:52.80\00:38:56.21
It bugged you, hey? - Yeah did,
it did, like leave me alone.
00:38:56.24\00:39:00.15
They said no I'm not. -
this is my life and I'm going to
00:39:00.19\00:39:03.93
live it the way want to
live it, but I thank God someone
00:39:03.96\00:39:07.67
did not give up on these.
00:39:07.70\00:39:09.12
As long as they have a
breath in their body we need to
00:39:09.16\00:39:12.17
keep praying for them and
doing whatever we can for them
00:39:12.20\00:39:15.18
to get them clean and sober.
00:39:15.21\00:39:17.22
I wish that somehow we had,
when you talk about treatment
00:39:17.25\00:39:21.43
centers, it is really
difficult to get an addict
00:39:21.46\00:39:24.78
in treatment for a year.
00:39:24.81\00:39:26.05
You know teen challenge
has a program for year.
00:39:26.08\00:39:28.51
There are people who do programs
that last for an entire year,
00:39:28.54\00:39:32.42
it's tough for me to find,
when I have a meth addict or
00:39:32.45\00:39:36.36
somebody I know they need
somebody directing their steps
00:39:36.39\00:39:40.03
for a while, not just the
weekend, not just 30 days.
00:39:40.06\00:39:43.54
Yes, and they have to agree
to it, nobody can hold them
00:39:43.58\00:39:47.03
against their
will, accept the law.
00:39:47.06\00:39:48.97
So, yeah keep them in jail
for a year against their will,
00:39:49.01\00:39:52.22
but you can't keep them in
a rehabilitation for a year
00:39:52.26\00:39:55.44
against their will,
they have to want it.
00:39:55.48\00:39:57.74
It's generally after a
future trip's through the county
00:39:57.78\00:40:00.52
jail that they decide they
want to get clean bad enough
00:40:00.55\00:40:03.26
to stay in a
program for full-year.
00:40:03.29\00:40:05.56
I so understand
when they talk about,
00:40:05.60\00:40:07.80
like in San Francisco there
is that prison on the island,
00:40:07.84\00:40:10.95
you know just get an
island somewhere, lots of food,
00:40:10.99\00:40:15.31
lots of fruit and just
say I'll be back in a year.
00:40:15.34\00:40:21.16
That sounds so cruel, but
for me it is amazing as God
00:40:21.20\00:40:25.80
restores some of the stuff
within myself, all of a sudden
00:40:25.83\00:40:30.39
to fill health for the
first time is absolutely the
00:40:30.43\00:40:33.42
coolest thing ever, to just feel
that start to restore and feel
00:40:33.46\00:40:37.91
that life and your personality
is starting to come out.
00:40:37.95\00:40:41.65
It is so incredible, and I know
that with a lot of addicts that
00:40:41.68\00:40:45.93
I work with, is that I
cannot hardly convince them,
00:40:45.96\00:40:48.21
please give me three months,
six months because you will
00:40:48.24\00:40:51.87
start to feel it and
then you will self reinforce.
00:40:51.90\00:40:55.37
Do you know what I mean?
00:40:55.40\00:40:57.15
You are feeling good from
within, instead of somebody
00:40:57.19\00:40:59.66
forcing you to toe the
line, stand up straight,
00:40:59.70\00:41:02.91
you will feel that strength
from within and it becomes
00:41:02.95\00:41:07.08
authentic and
natural and spontaneous.
00:41:07.12\00:41:09.82
I woke up for the first time
and felt healthy, but I felt so
00:41:09.86\00:41:13.04
happy and I was thinking is
it my birthday, what's going on?
00:41:13.07\00:41:16.22
I was trying, just in my
head, trying to figure out
00:41:16.26\00:41:18.50
what was going on, and I
heard the Holy Spirit say,
00:41:18.54\00:41:21.45
no this is health. I'm
like shut up, I love this.
00:41:21.49\00:41:25.75
It had been so long since
I had felt that that I was
00:41:25.78\00:41:29.54
overjoyed, this is a, this
is what it feels like to feel
00:41:29.57\00:41:32.99
joy and God says, the joy
of our Lord is our strength.
00:41:33.03\00:41:36.37
God says I will pour that into
you, that you will feel joy,
00:41:36.41\00:41:39.45
maybe for the first
time for some of us.
00:41:39.48\00:41:41.39
The things that actually
come into your life after you do
00:41:41.43\00:41:45.62
give recovery time, you
wouldn't trade for anything.
00:41:45.66\00:41:49.40
I wouldn't trade my life
for anybody, I never thought
00:41:49.44\00:41:52.46
I would say that, but that's
what recovery brings to you.
00:41:52.49\00:41:55.48
Curly, you had a question.
00:41:55.51\00:41:58.46
Yeah, your brother, did he
OD, is that how he passed away?
00:41:58.50\00:42:03.23
My brother committed
suicide under the influence of
00:42:03.27\00:42:06.06
methamphetamine, he
had been clean off and on,
00:42:06.10\00:42:09.41
struggling with it,
going to programs and taking
00:42:09.45\00:42:12.72
medication and he
tried to stay clean,
00:42:12.76\00:42:15.50
but the
hallucinations wouldn't go away.
00:42:15.53\00:42:18.20
The satellites in space for
telling him to kill yourself,
00:42:18.23\00:42:21.49
kill yourself, kill
yourself, constantly.
00:42:21.52\00:42:24.27
He would take psychiatric
medicine that would slow
00:42:24.31\00:42:28.15
it down, quiet it
down a little bit,
00:42:28.19\00:42:30.27
but it never
completely went away.
00:42:30.31\00:42:32.32
He was like I cannot live
like this and so he got a gun
00:42:32.36\00:42:36.04
on the Fourth of July, we
thought it was a firecracker.
00:42:36.08\00:42:39.73
Was he at your house still?
00:42:39.77\00:42:42.63
He was a my uncles
house, uncle son had just gotten
00:42:42.67\00:42:45.78
married and they had a
wedding celebration and the next
00:42:45.81\00:42:48.85
day, after everybody has left
town, it was the fourth of July.
00:42:48.89\00:42:52.47
He killed himself in the
basement of the house and
00:42:52.51\00:42:56.09
we all thought it
was just a firecracker.
00:42:56.13\00:42:58.21
Was he turning to God
at this point, trying to...
00:42:58.25\00:43:01.14
the day before his suicide
he had wanted to go to church.
00:43:01.17\00:43:04.83
Mom had to take him to church,
I've got to go to church.
00:43:04.87\00:43:07.72
The only church they could
find was a little Methodist
00:43:07.75\00:43:10.92
Church, and he went to
8:30 service and stayed for the
00:43:10.95\00:43:13.53
10 o'clock service because
he wanted to hear it again.
00:43:13.57\00:43:16.11
But the next day he caved in.
00:43:16.15\00:43:19.99
when someone is in recovery
like that, for a lot of us,
00:43:21.76\00:43:25.30
is you really do have to
pay attention and watch them.
00:43:25.34\00:43:29.73
Not that you can catch everyone,
what I mean is you don't
00:43:29.77\00:43:33.27
get signals for some, but for
some you do, so pay attention.
00:43:33.31\00:43:36.64
During that first three months,
six months there is a lot
00:43:36.67\00:43:40.10
of potential for suicide
because you feel so horrible.
00:43:40.14\00:43:43.50
So depressed, so grouchy, from
the radio, from the TV, you're
00:43:43.53\00:43:49.28
getting all this psychotic stuff
that will be less, but you are
00:43:49.32\00:43:55.03
not really safe with yourself.
00:43:55.07\00:43:57.95
No! - with your
family, how is everybody?
00:43:57.99\00:44:04.79
With your brothers and
stuff, I know you are really
00:44:04.83\00:44:07.44
reaching out and
educating people.
00:44:07.48\00:44:10.13
Yeah, for the first year after
he died I did want to think
00:44:10.17\00:44:12.85
about it, I did want talk
about it, I didn't want nothing
00:44:12.88\00:44:15.53
to do with methamphetamine.
00:44:15.57\00:44:17.06
Were you angry at
the drug culture itself?
00:44:17.10\00:44:20.16
I closed down, I just didn't
want anything to do with it.
00:44:20.20\00:44:23.29
But then after about a
year I started noticing that my
00:44:23.33\00:44:25.85
patience were coming in
and acting just as crazy as Jim
00:44:25.89\00:44:28.81
was, and that is what
motivated me to look into it.
00:44:28.84\00:44:31.89
Yeah, the first paper I
saw, that I pulled up on the
00:44:31.93\00:44:35.36
Internet, was about how
methamphetamine causes this kind
00:44:35.40\00:44:38.79
of brain damage to
these kind of Cells,
00:44:38.83\00:44:40.57
and it was exactly
what my brother had told me.
00:44:40.60\00:44:43.05
He kept insisting he had
brain damage from this drug and
00:44:43.09\00:44:45.94
I kept telling him that's
nonsense, drugs don't do that
00:44:45.98\00:44:48.79
kind of thing to your brain.
00:44:48.83\00:44:50.47
I thought it was a cop out, that
he was just playing the brain
00:44:50.50\00:44:53.26
damage game to avoid doing
what he needed to do to stay
00:44:53.30\00:44:55.38
clean, but everything he
described was right there
00:44:55.41\00:44:59.16
on that scientific
paper, he really did damage
00:44:59.20\00:45:02.91
his brain using that drug.
00:45:02.94\00:45:05.04
The hair stood up on the
back of my neck and I got sick
00:45:05.07\00:45:08.23
to my stomach when I realize
what really happened to him.
00:45:08.27\00:45:11.39
And you wanted to tell someone.
00:45:11.43\00:45:13.74
- I wanted to tell someone.
00:45:13.78\00:45:16.02
I started teaching at the
local rehabilitation center,
00:45:16.06\00:45:18.41
and the juvenile
probation, and the county jail.
00:45:18.44\00:45:20.94
I start writing little
articles and putting them in the
00:45:20.98\00:45:23.57
local newspaper and people kept
00:45:23.60\00:45:25.20
calling me for more information.
00:45:25.24\00:45:26.77
There are some mug shots
that you have on your website.
00:45:26.80\00:45:29.33
I would like to bring
them up and show them,
00:45:29.36\00:45:31.91
explain to us what we
are seeing as far as the girl
00:45:31.95\00:45:34.19
that got arrested
a number of times?
00:45:34.23\00:45:36.59
Oh, there are serious
of about six pictures.
00:45:36.63\00:45:39.07
The first time she
was arrested she was about
00:45:39.11\00:45:41.49
32 years old, she worked as a
librarian in Hollywood Florida.
00:45:41.52\00:45:45.43
She a couple little kids,
she was a productive member of
00:45:45.46\00:45:48.60
society, but over
the next several years
00:45:48.64\00:45:51.47
she disintegrated, her
cheeks sunk in, her skin turned
00:45:51.51\00:45:55.37
gray, and the last picture
you notice her nose and her
00:45:55.41\00:45:59.24
chin are a little too
close together and that is
00:45:59.27\00:46:01.67
because her teeth are gone.
00:46:01.70\00:46:03.05
When your jaw just collapses
in on itself, it's pretty
00:46:03.09\00:46:06.23
amazing. - bones
disintegrate, there's not even
00:46:06.27\00:46:08.40
anything to put a denture on.
00:46:08.44\00:46:10.07
Yes and pictures to of
children that have been taken
00:46:10.10\00:46:14.88
out of meth
houses during the arrest.
00:46:14.92\00:46:16.87
Can you talk a
little bit about that?
00:46:16.90\00:46:18.79
Children that had
broken bones, chemical burns.
00:46:18.82\00:46:22.21
This one little girl,
where her mother's tweaker
00:46:22.25\00:46:25.04
boyfriend thought it
was fun to pull her hair out
00:46:25.07\00:46:28.33
one strand at a time,
just to hear her scream.
00:46:28.36\00:46:31.54
Children with chemical
burns on their bottoms where
00:46:31.58\00:46:35.62
they were in a
lab when it exploded.
00:46:35.65\00:46:38.38
These kids come out
of these environments and
00:46:38.42\00:46:41.74
they don't know what's normal.
00:46:41.78\00:46:43.47
They literally, on some
of the kids I've worked with,
00:46:43.50\00:46:46.15
have meth scores,
and they are not users,
00:46:46.19\00:46:49.28
they are just
inhaling the drug around them.
00:46:49.32\00:46:52.34
If it is in the carpet, or
on the floor, the little kids,
00:46:52.38\00:46:56.53
the first thing they
do is put their fingers in
00:46:56.56\00:46:57.94
their mouths and they can get
toxic levels of methamphetamine
00:46:57.98\00:47:01.95
just from putting
their fingers in their mouth.
00:47:01.99\00:47:03.73
The ventilation system, it's
blown into every room in the
00:47:03.76\00:47:06.67
house, so they could cook
it in the kitchen, but the far
00:47:06.70\00:47:09.83
bedroom, four rooms away,
still has toxic levels of meth
00:47:09.86\00:47:12.95
just in the air they breathe.
00:47:12.98\00:47:14.89
When you think of all that,
and the environment that kids
00:47:14.92\00:47:21.42
are being raised in, and
the mindset of the addict
00:47:21.46\00:47:26.09
themselves is that it is
hard to go in and just say
00:47:26.13\00:47:29.59
common sense, you need to
stop this, what you're doing.
00:47:29.62\00:47:33.04
You're just not thinking, right?
00:47:33.08\00:47:35.20
So when you intervene with
somebody, if a family member
00:47:35.24\00:47:38.12
is watching and they
really want to intervene with
00:47:38.15\00:47:40.60
somebody that is that out
of control, could you give
00:47:40.64\00:47:43.06
them suggestions on what to do?
00:47:43.09\00:47:45.09
There are a set of professionals
called, interventionists.
00:47:45.12\00:47:49.03
They do an effective job of
confronting a person with the
00:47:49.06\00:47:52.42
reality of what they are
doing, that is a professional
00:47:52.46\00:47:55.78
level job, you
can't do that by yourself.
00:47:55.82\00:47:58.45
If you don't have
access to an interventionist,
00:47:58.48\00:48:01.21
you can find one at
us psychologist office.
00:48:01.25\00:48:03.91
I used to be on those
teams come if you call in to any
00:48:03.94\00:48:07.05
psych hospital, a lot of
times they will have teams that
00:48:07.09\00:48:10.17
will go out with you.
00:48:10.20\00:48:11.55
Yes, but if you don't have
access to that in your little
00:48:11.58\00:48:14.26
rinky-dink town, you have
to use the Police Department.
00:48:14.30\00:48:17.12
If there is any way you
can file charges, if they have
00:48:17.15\00:48:20.14
stolen anything from you,
if they ran off with your car
00:48:20.17\00:48:22.86
and didn't bring it
back, call it grand theft auto.
00:48:22.89\00:48:25.54
Get the kid arrested.
00:48:25.58\00:48:27.37
For someone listening right
now, why would you answer my
00:48:27.40\00:48:30.91
question with that?
Because they are going to say,
00:48:30.95\00:48:32.93
did you just ask how we help?
00:48:32.97\00:48:35.21
What you are saying
is, call the police.
00:48:35.24\00:48:37.62
Why would you answer that?
00:48:37.66\00:48:39.11
You want to stop your kid from
using, the other word for stop
00:48:39.15\00:48:42.25
is arrest, nobody else
can hold him against his will.
00:48:42.28\00:48:45.55
One of the meth addicts
that I work with says, I wasn't
00:48:45.58\00:48:48.81
arrested, I was rescued. - yes!
00:48:48.85\00:48:50.66
So when they get their sense
back, if people can intervene
00:48:50.69\00:48:54.22
long enough, if they can
get the drug out of their body
00:48:54.26\00:48:57.54
long enough, then maybe you
can reason with them somewhat.
00:48:57.58\00:49:00.76
Yes, I met a woman in Indiana
that had been arrested on her
00:49:00.79\00:49:03.94
meth charges, that is
what brought her around where
00:49:03.97\00:49:06.14
she could live again.
00:49:06.18\00:49:07.92
She was giving a seminar
to her community and I was
00:49:07.95\00:49:10.75
invited to speak there.
00:49:10.78\00:49:12.21
One of those
people who spoke with me
00:49:12.25\00:49:13.90
was her arresting officer.
00:49:13.94\00:49:15.62
She was so grateful to this man
for stopping her and saving her
00:49:15.66\00:49:19.88
life, just tears, tears
running down her face as
00:49:19.91\00:49:22.83
she hugged his neck.
00:49:22.86\00:49:24.67
Not the night she got
arrested? Nope, not that night.
00:49:24.71\00:49:28.44
So it's hard to say, if
we're going to intervene in the
00:49:28.47\00:49:32.17
community from a
church level, or our families,
00:49:32.21\00:49:35.76
it is not going to
be pleasant initially,
00:49:35.79\00:49:38.59
but you save somebody's life.
00:49:38.62\00:49:40.76
They are going to cuss,
they're going to scream,
00:49:40.79\00:49:42.78
they're going to threaten
to burn your house down and
00:49:42.81\00:49:45.16
they might very
well turn around and burn
00:49:45.19\00:49:47.46
your house down, you
have to do it anyway.
00:49:47.49\00:49:49.72
Get insured first! No kidding!
00:49:49.76\00:49:53.46
I hear what you're saying,
what you're saying is for
00:49:54.98\00:49:57.69
a lot of people I work
with, a lot of the addicts,
00:49:57.73\00:50:00.99
they truly know that I
care about them so I lot of
00:50:01.03\00:50:04.26
anger stuff
doesn't come back on me.
00:50:04.29\00:50:06.34
Not that I don't get
cussed out in that stuff but the
00:50:06.37\00:50:08.81
really hard-core
anger doesn't come back.
00:50:08.84\00:50:10.90
So if you can, I care
about you, I love you and
00:50:10.93\00:50:16.62
let that always be spoken.
00:50:16.66\00:50:18.38
I hate what this drug
is doing to your body.
00:50:18.41\00:50:21.80
I hate what it is
doing to your children.
00:50:21.84\00:50:25.16
I hate the fact that you
can let them sit here and
00:50:25.20\00:50:27.87
not even pay attention to
them for four or six hours
00:50:27.90\00:50:30.53
and not even know if
you have the kids or not,
00:50:30.57\00:50:33.49
because I hate all
that, but I love you and
00:50:33.53\00:50:36.38
I will not let go, I will
not stop trying to intervene.
00:50:36.41\00:50:40.88
Trying to get your
life back together.
00:50:40.91\00:50:42.57
Keep praying, even when
there is no communication with
00:50:42.61\00:50:46.23
that kid whatsoever,
he doesn't call you and
00:50:46.26\00:50:48.31
you don't call him, you
can still pray for that kid.
00:50:48.34\00:50:51.12
So you believe
that prayer matters?
00:50:51.15\00:50:53.12
Oh absolutely! - I have
to say that, some people say,
00:50:53.15\00:50:57.30
all I can do is pray
and I'm thinking stop!
00:50:57.34\00:51:00.40
All of heaven is down there.
00:51:00.44\00:51:02.61
It's the most powerful thing you
can do is pray, all of heaven
00:51:02.64\00:51:05.03
responds when you
pray for that kid.
00:51:05.06\00:51:07.11
So for people that are
outside of the problem,
00:51:07.14\00:51:10.68
even the communities when
it is not a child involved,
00:51:10.72\00:51:13.56
you want to change a community.
00:51:13.60\00:51:15.56
Randy Maxwell is a
prayer guide I love.
00:51:15.59\00:51:18.05
He is a friend of mine,
just married my daughter.
00:51:18.09\00:51:20.24
He was a Pastor
that married my daughter.
00:51:20.28\00:51:22.68
He really believes in
prayer, so I think for a lot of
00:51:22.72\00:51:26.46
people, if you
have any concern whether
00:51:26.50\00:51:28.97
prayer is answered, study it.
00:51:29.01\00:51:30.64
Read in the Bible
what God says about prayer,
00:51:30.67\00:51:32.95
because when you realize
that Christ intercede for us
00:51:32.99\00:51:37.34
in the very throne room.
00:51:37.38\00:51:39.53
He says, pray, the Holy
Spirit sometimes changes your
00:51:39.57\00:51:42.88
prayer, if you can't really
get it as deep as you want
00:51:42.92\00:51:45.54
to get, the Holy Spirit
knows what you want to say and
00:51:45.57\00:51:48.16
will say it for you.
00:51:48.20\00:51:49.24
Christ Himself is interceding
for you, saying out loud,
00:51:49.28\00:51:52.44
in the presence of God,
and intercedes for the person
00:51:52.47\00:51:55.60
you are praying for.
00:51:55.63\00:51:56.60
So it is huge, and for
people that are not Christian,
00:51:56.61\00:51:59.60
I want to say,
sorry, because it is huge
00:51:59.64\00:52:02.94
and prayer does matter.
00:52:02.97\00:52:04.65
And you better watch out
when you pray for that kid.
00:52:04.68\00:52:06.94
Because he's going to
lose his job, he's going to get
00:52:06.98\00:52:09.02
kicked out of his place,
he's going to end up living
00:52:09.06\00:52:11.18
in the back of his car
and eating out of dumpsters,
00:52:11.21\00:52:13.29
because that is what the
Holy Spirit is going to do
00:52:13.33\00:52:15.37
to save your child's life.
00:52:15.41\00:52:17.90
You have to let Him do
it. You have to let it happen.
00:52:17.94\00:52:21.67
What I think is amazing, tell
me what you think about this.
00:52:21.70\00:52:26.38
Not only let it happen, but
when you look at that child,
00:52:26.41\00:52:31.06
I want you to look at
the child as under there,
00:52:31.09\00:52:34.11
and when they see your eyes
I don't want them to see fear
00:52:34.15\00:52:37.03
or anger or
somehow that you think that
00:52:37.06\00:52:39.47
this drug is
going to take them out.
00:52:39.51\00:52:41.85
I want to look at you
and say that I know that
00:52:41.88\00:52:45.56
God is answering my prayer.
00:52:45.60\00:52:46.83
I cannot give you this
hundred bucks, but I know that
00:52:46.86\00:52:49.85
tonight I'm going to
be on my knees and that
00:52:49.89\00:52:51.97
God is going to answer this.
00:52:52.01\00:52:53.38
As mad as you are right
now that I am even praying, and
00:52:53.42\00:52:55.27
I am going to pray that you
no longer can feel this drug
00:52:55.30\00:52:57.60
and pray that you no longer
can get high, that you can't
00:52:57.64\00:52:59.90
find it because I love
you and I want you home.
00:52:59.94\00:53:03.27
You have a confidence
about yourself when you handle
00:53:03.31\00:53:07.33
them that way, that
confidence speaks volumes about
00:53:07.36\00:53:11.35
their potential to recover.
00:53:11.39\00:53:13.11
They see it in your eyes.
00:53:13.15\00:53:14.80
A lot of times I will see
some body that will minister
00:53:14.84\00:53:19.14
to their child and
they looked defeated, and
00:53:19.18\00:53:21.69
they really do not believe
in the power prayer or that
00:53:21.73\00:53:24.35
God is going to respond,
because when they look at them
00:53:24.38\00:53:26.97
it is almost like
they're buying funeral clothes.
00:53:27.01\00:53:29.30
Don't let them see that in
your eyes because they take
00:53:29.33\00:53:32.66
that on, you get an addict
that is not thinking clearly,
00:53:32.69\00:53:35.85
that is paranoid, that is
not reasoning the same way,
00:53:35.88\00:53:38.80
and the only reality
they are seeing is the defeat
00:53:38.84\00:53:41.73
they see in your eyes.
00:53:41.76\00:53:43.14
Don't do it, I don't care
who you have to get to affirm
00:53:43.18\00:53:46.40
yourself, to lift up yourself,
but let them lift you up.
00:53:46.44\00:53:50.45
Let them really start to
get you some solid ground to
00:53:50.48\00:53:53.68
stand on so that when
this child is in front of you,
00:53:53.71\00:53:56.65
or when spouse or whoever
the addict is in front of you,
00:53:56.69\00:53:59.60
you are saying I know that
00:53:59.63\00:54:01.46
God is bigger than
this addiction. I know it.
00:54:01.50\00:54:03.82
If you let them make you angry
you have just given them control
00:54:03.85\00:54:07.82
over you, and as long
as they are in control,
00:54:07.86\00:54:11.04
they think everything is fine.
00:54:11.07\00:54:12.69
If they can make you
angry, they control you.
00:54:12.72\00:54:15.45
But if you have
confidence in peace in the Lord,
00:54:15.48\00:54:18.14
then you don't get angry,
you don't have to get angry.
00:54:18.17\00:54:21.13
Because I am not
talking to this drug, I'm done.
00:54:21.16\00:54:23.86
I'm done and I
am going to wait for
00:54:23.90\00:54:25.67
God to make a difference here.
00:54:25.70\00:54:28.36
I would like to say again,
it was amazing to have you on
00:54:28.39\00:54:31.31
the show, you have
so much information and
00:54:31.34\00:54:34.06
I am so glad that
you shared it with us.
00:54:34.10\00:54:36.75
I'm sorry about your
brother, but I know that God
00:54:36.78\00:54:40.32
is using everything
you do for His glory and
00:54:40.36\00:54:42.68
to vindicate His
name, which is amazing.
00:54:42.72\00:54:44.97
We will be right back, but
as we take this break I want
00:54:45.01\00:54:49.20
you to think about that
we as Christians have the
00:54:49.24\00:54:53.69
throne room of God to go to.
00:54:53.72\00:54:55.88
Even if you have no
addicts in your family,
00:54:55.92\00:54:58.56
let's say you have
somehow, in this world,
00:54:58.59\00:55:01.68
gotten through life
with intact families, and
00:55:01.71\00:55:04.69
the community around
you has not been so lucky.
00:55:04.73\00:55:07.64
We have the ability and
the privilege to pray for them.
00:55:07.67\00:55:10.83
To pray and ask
God, please step in,
00:55:10.86\00:55:13.74
change this
community, take it back.
00:55:13.78\00:55:16.58
If you can get one more
person in, and one more person
00:55:16.62\00:55:20.10
in and watch God
do what God does best.
00:55:20.14\00:55:23.32
He brings
restoration and healing.
00:55:23.36\00:55:25.04
Stay right with
us, will be right back!
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You know talking about the
power of prayer over addictions,
00:56:13.30\00:56:15.73
I was doing and
outreach in the West Indies.
00:56:15.77\00:56:18.70
There was a young kid that
was acting out, drug involved,
00:56:18.73\00:56:22.73
his mother had called me
before we flew in to do this
00:56:22.77\00:56:26.35
outreach, and she said
would you pray for my son.
00:56:26.38\00:56:29.89
I ended up there and met
the son one time, the rest of
00:56:29.93\00:56:34.30
the week he was high on drugs.
00:56:34.33\00:56:36.18
Didn't come to any meetings,
I had no contact with him.
00:56:36.21\00:56:38.96
So on the way to the airport
I felt like the Holy Spirit
00:56:38.99\00:56:41.70
said you need to go
on pray for Michael.
00:56:41.74\00:56:43.61
So I said does anybody
know where Michael lives,
00:56:43.64\00:56:46.58
and somebody did
so I said, I'm going.
00:56:46.62\00:56:48.62
I'm going to pray for
Michael and I get there and
00:56:48.66\00:56:51.05
his mom says, oh he has
been out drinking all night and
00:56:51.09\00:56:53.80
he's been using drugs and
he just got in really late
00:56:53.83\00:56:56.51
and is passed out.
00:56:56.54\00:56:57.80
I said please let me
come in and pray for him.
00:56:57.83\00:57:01.24
I felt so burdened
that I had to before I left.
00:57:01.28\00:57:04.62
I said if he tells me no,
I'll ask him if I can pray for
00:57:04.65\00:57:07.99
you and he says no, I
will go to the airport and
00:57:08.02\00:57:10.70
you will never see me again.
00:57:10.73\00:57:11.95
If he says yes, I will
have a quick prayer before I go.
00:57:11.98\00:57:15.17
Well I came in, Michael
is laying on the bed naked
00:57:15.21\00:57:20.15
and hung over,
I'm thinking oh man.
00:57:20.19\00:57:23.95
He's 14 years old, just
this kid and I walk over and
00:57:23.99\00:57:27.78
I tapped him on the shoulder
and said Michael, Michael.
00:57:27.82\00:57:31.58
It took a while
for him to wake up.
00:57:31.62\00:57:33.48
This one little bloodshot
eyes looks at me and he sees
00:57:33.51\00:57:36.94
the evangelist, who had just
been running these meetings.
00:57:36.98\00:57:40.37
I could tell, he
was like, am I dreaming?
00:57:40.40\00:57:42.93
I'm like Michael, I said,
it again and he opens his eyes
00:57:42.97\00:57:45.66
again and finally he
says, what, what do you want?
00:57:45.69\00:57:49.62
I said I just
want to pray for you.
00:57:49.66\00:57:51.40
He was like, what?
00:57:51.43\00:57:54.18
I just want to pray
for you is that okay?
00:57:54.21\00:57:56.17
He said yes, I put my
hands on him and said God,
00:57:56.20\00:57:59.59
let nothing work for him
any more, if he goes out to get
00:57:59.63\00:58:03.42
high let him get busted.
00:58:03.45\00:58:04.83
If he takes drugs let it
not even give him a high anymore
00:58:04.86\00:58:07.76
and let every single thing get
in his way and reclaim this boy.
00:58:07.79\00:58:11.81
And you know what? Michael
is in treatment now and he
00:58:11.84\00:58:14.76
is fine and it is because
some body prayed, so pray.
00:58:14.80\00:58:17.77
Always remember, until we
see each other next time that
00:58:17.80\00:58:20.74
God is crazy about
you and me too! God bless!
00:58:20.77\00:58:23.66
Thanks for joining us!
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