Welcome to
Celebrating Life in Recovery,
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I'm Cheri your host.
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Today we're going to
look at methamphetamine.
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Not an easy subject, and
especially for this woman,
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so stay with us,
join us in the café.
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What is interesting to me
is that God can step in and
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heal us from anything.
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I really believe when I came
into recovery that I had two
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brain cells left, and I'm
not even sure that those were
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communicating with each other.
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God has restored so much,
when they told me years later,
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10 years later, that I
had hepatitis A, B. and C.
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I started praying about
that and now they test me
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and I don't have it.
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I was tested for four
years with it, so God is really
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able to step in and do
absolutely above what we can
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even hope for or pray
for, or even dream about.
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Except to the point where
we take ourselves out, as long
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as we are
breathing, God intervenes.
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That's what happens
when we take ourselves out.
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We are going to
talk to Dr. Mary Holley.
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Dr. Holley I am so glad
that you are on the show.
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I have seen some of your
presentations, I have seen the
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work that you have
done, and I sit there and
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just want to Yahoo.
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You really go out and
educate folks. - yes, yes!
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Tell us a little bit about
that part, and then we will
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get into why you got into this.
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The training I do is mostly in
county jail settings, talking to
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inmates and addicts in
local rehabilitation centers and
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jails, that is where my love is,
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that is where I come to life.
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You just look
too sweet to do that.
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Do they listen?
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Because you come in
there looking so normal.
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I come in looking like
a respected physician and
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I started at my local community
where half the women in that
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county jail have
been my patients.
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I delivered babies
for them, they trusted me.
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They would talk to me, and
I learned as much from them
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as they learned from me.
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I learned what it is
like to live as an addict.
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I taught them all about
chemistry, and they understood
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that that's the truth
because they lived it.
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But they shared with me what
it feels like from the inside.
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That is where I get my power
is from what I learned from
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those inmates. - That's amazing.
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So now let's go back to early
in life and what started you
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being interested in
this kind of population?
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My brother was
addicted to methamphetamine.
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He got addicted when he was
22 years old and it killed him
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when he was 24 years old.
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He was adorable, smart, funny.
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He was an adorable kid, oh yeah.
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He had a lot of friends,
he was always active, rode
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a motorcycle, played
music and just a good kid.
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A friend took him out for
his 21st birthday, we are going
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to show you a good time
and introduced him to drugs in
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general and then to
methamphetamine a little later.
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By the time he was 22
years old he was addicted.
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What did his
addiction look like?
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And with your family, you
are a Christian family, normal?
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We were broken family, my
father left when Jim was four.
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Mother had tried to support
Jim on her own with minimum-
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wage jobs and there
was never enough money.
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He was alone a good
bit of the time growing up.
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He came home to an empty
house when he was six years old,
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and would make himself a peanut
butter and jelly sandwich.
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So he was kind of set up
to get hooked on drugs because
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he was
unsupervised and totally alone.
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Anyone who offered him
friendship, he was right there
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to be friends with them and
if they offered him drugs too,
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well that was okay too.
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- Were you
already out of the house?
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I was already out of the house,
yeah I was 16 years older.
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So what did his addiction
look like as he started to use
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and started to get lost in that?
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He got pulled over for
drunk driving, minor possession
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charges, minimal arrest.
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My mother would always
bail him out, she didn't want
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her son to staying in jail.
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That's really what
cooked him, because had he been
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allowed to stay in jail for
a little bit longer, he might
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have come to his senses
and realized what he was doing
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and where it was leading him.
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So she wouldn't let him
suffer, she wouldn't let him
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suffer long enough
to want to turn around.
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I think part of that
was her guilt of not having
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- of course it
was, of course it was.
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She felt guilty that she allow
this to happen in the first
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place, the first time she
detected a drug abuse problem
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was very shortly
after I left home.
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He was about 14 and she
found inhalants under the bed
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were he began getting into
the beer and so she put him
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in a 21 day program but
that wasn't nearly enough.
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- so people who don't
know, can you explain inhalants?
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I know that is basic stuff,
but a lot of people are going
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to hear that and say
what she talking about?
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Inhalants are like spray
paint or glue, they'll spray
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into a bag and put the bag
up to their face, it's called
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huffing, they get real high
concentrations of these drugs
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that displace the oxygen
in the blood and so they get
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hypoxic high, it is
very similar to what kids are
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doing now where they
had this choking game.
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They put a rope around
their necks and close the door
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and pull the rope to
lower their oxygen levels,
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and they hallucinate
and they think it's fun.
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Only some of them
die, and people can die
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from huffing as well.
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We're going to get into,
probably not this show but the
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next show, what
parents can look at.
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Once you know about them,
you can see those signs almost
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everywhere, and your mom
found something that she said oh
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he is involved and
let's get him into treatment.
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Did your brother ever talk
about what treatment was like
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and did it help him?
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He hated every minute of
it, he played the game, made the
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right answers to the right
questions and got out of there.
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Then immediately,
by that same evening,
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he was using again.
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He freely admitted that.
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- right, so his
addiction continued? - yes!
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When you say continued,
drinking, smoking weed, partying
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with friends, did
his grades change?
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He almost flunked the eighth
grade and went into high school
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and finished maybe a
year and a half, when he
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turned 16 he dropped out.
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- he dropped out at 16!
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So we had all
this free time? - yes!
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As soon as you said that I
thought oh man, all this free
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time, and then
getting into meth.
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Was meth different
than the earlier drugs?
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Methamphetamine is a lot
more powerful than the cocaine
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he had used before.
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He said I could use
cocaine and walk away from it.
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He didn't get addicted
to that, but methamphetamine
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was a different
animal, and he was addicted
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right from the start.
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He says that even on a
videotape, I will never get back
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what I lost that night.
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People will say that you
can't get addicted on the first
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one, I hear that all the time.
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But from an addict, I'm an
addict, don't lie to yourself.
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Some of these drugs, if
you are prone to addiction in
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any way because of
childhood stuff and all that,
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you can get
addicted the first time.
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Even biochemically
speaking, the very first hit of
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methamphetamine damages the
track in the brain that gives
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you self control, and it
doesn't take but one or two hits
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to destroy that tissue.
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Methamphetamine is far
more toxic to it than alcohol.
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You know what, I can't
even pronounce that track,
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but I was fascinated when I
read, you've written a number
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of books, in one of your
books you talk about that part
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of the brain, can
you talk about that?
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What does it mean and
how does it get damaged?
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It's actually a series of
tracks, I only name the biggest
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one fasciculus retroflex'
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So you see why I can't say that?
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Say it in, say it slowly.
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It's called fasciculus
retroflex's, it's the little
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thing that gives you your
conscious mind where you make
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decisions and have rational
thought and gives the control
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over the urges and
drives and cravings that come
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out of the bottom of the brain.
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So it literally connects
those two areas, frontal lobe
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and your base animal
instincts and the little
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character stuff in there.
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It has a stop off in the
character development areas
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called lateral
hibernal and continues
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down to craving areas.
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So you can control those
things, if you have a desire for
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chocolate chip cookies and
you know you're not supposed
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to eat things like
that, you control it.
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The electrical current that goes
up to the frontal lobe says,
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you know you're
trying to get in shape and
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then it goes back down.
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So you can reason with
yourself and think things out,
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but when those tissue
tracks get destroyed, you don't
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think about it, you just do it.
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You get a desire to get
high and you're off to the drug
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dealer and it
doesn't even cross your mind
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to control that urge, and you
are no longer physically able
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to control that urge.
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You're suppose to go to work.
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It affects every area of
self-discipline, not just drug
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use, if you don't want to
go to work tomorrow, or you
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don't want to pay the
bills, yell at your kids because
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they are making too much noise.
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You can control your
temper, can't control ambition,
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you can't control
any part of your life,
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not just the drug use.
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What's interesting to me
is the more that I looked at
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some of the stuff you put
together, is the fact that not
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only can you not control it
but you can literally see that
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there is an electrical current
that is not going anymore.
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So I thought, no way,
that you could look at my brain
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and say that you
damaged that part.
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I think that we just
don't know that our choices,
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smoking cigarettes even,
those are addictions that damage
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- That same track, that same
track, fasciculus retroflex's
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it has two tracks to it.
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One of them is sensitive to
nicotine, cigarette smoking.
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The other is sensitive
to all the other drugs, from
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Alcohol up to methamphetamine.
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So when you start smoking
you lose the right lane of
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your self-control track
and that predisposes you to
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become addicted to the
next thing that comes along and
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knocks out the left lane.
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So you're more likely to
get addicted, more likely to
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remain addicted if
you continue smoking.
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Smoking doesn't actually
kill those cells, it just
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disables them and they
don't work quite right.
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It's like road
bumps, speed bumps.
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If you quit smoking you
regain the right line of that
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control track and you are
a lot more able to stay clean
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long term if you quit smoking.
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Up to four times
more likely to stay clean
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if you stop smoking.
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Is anybody hearing that? I
think we have to hear that.
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A lot of times people will
say, I'm going to stop this
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drug but not this drug,
or I'm going to still drink
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coffee and smoke but I'm
not going to slam heroin.
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But what you are saying
is, what studies are showing in
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the brain is to really get
away from everything and give
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yourself have a chance,
or more than half a chance.
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You restore yourself
control over your drug intake,
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or your temper, over your
ambition, every area of life
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becomes more manageable
when you also quit smoking.
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You get that natural spontaneous
easy way of controlling
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yourself back, you
don't have to think about it,
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it comes spontaneously.
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One of the things about porn
addictions is that, is that one
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that damages that area?
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Pornography stimulates a
similar area of the brain that
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can trigger the
same biochemical cascade
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that methamphetamine does.
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People get
hooked on that. - right!
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I want to get back to
that, definitely in another show
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we will cover all this stuff
in depth because I think the
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more we know about our
brain, when somebody says, just
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stop using, and God talks
about taking care of yourself.
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Really take care of
yourself, because once we damage
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things, especially in our
brain, our life is compromised.
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We are not living up to
our full potential at all.
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Not just personally,
but also within the family.
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You are not being the
dad you're supposed to be.
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You are not being the
daughter your supposed to be.
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It affects every area of
society, you're not the employee
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you are supposed to be.
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You are not the
driver we intended you to be.
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- you're not the
brother. - right!
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It is more than just your
individual life, this affects
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everybody around you, and a
lot further than you can see.
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I remember when I was
hearing some of your story,
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you talked, about your brother
and your daughter and how
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afraid she was of
him toward the end.
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Can you talk about why,
and what change in his behavior
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that will cause
her to be afraid?
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He would fly off the handle
over nothing, just minimal
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things would make him angry.
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So she would walk into the
room and want to be near him,
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but she would stay
where the door was real close.
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Where she could
get away real quick.
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She would lean into him
because she loved him, but she
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always had her eye on the door.
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You know to this day
she is still that way.
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She is 14 years old now
and I took her to the doctor,
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she was going to get shots
for a trip to go to Ecuador.
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She was supposed to
get some injections and
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she's looking at the door.
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She was making sure
where the escape route was.
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So it really changed her.
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Did your brother
end up with psychosis,
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with the methamphetamine?
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Yes he became psychotic,
he thought the police could
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see through the walls,
they were beaming thoughts into
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his head from a satellite,
they could see through
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the walls and read his mind.
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We put him into a mental
hospital and one occasion when
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he attempted suicide, but
he only stayed for the 72 hour
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emergency commitment and after
that he signed out of there
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because he thought
the drug dealers could
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see through the walls.
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Within three
weeks he killed himself.
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They say a
drug-induced psychosis is as bad
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as any other psychosis.
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Biochemically it is indistin-
guishable, and clinically
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talking to people that are
psychotic because of drugs, the
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only way you can tell them
apart is that the drug addict
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hallucinates about drug context.
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He hallucinates about dealers
and narks and guns and cops.
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Where the general schizophrenic
will have more generalized
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hallucinations that don't
necessarily refer to drugs,
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though they can, but the
drug induced psychotic all
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he can think about is his
single-minded and compulsiveness
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about his drugs.
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When he killed himself,
he struggled, he felt like
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something was telling him
to kill himself all the time.
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He said, the way he put
it was he felt abandoned.
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He felt alone like no one
understood and nobody cared.
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That is the way he felt.
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He was a Christian and
believed in God, in fact the
00:15:02.33\00:15:05.40
Sunday before he killed
himself on Monday, he wanted
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to go to church and he
stayed through one service and
00:15:08.46\00:15:11.31
there was another
service afterword and he stayed
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for the second sermon.
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He was hungry for more
of God because he knew what
00:15:14.90\00:15:18.36
he was facing, but he
just couldn't live like that.
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He thought he
would always be crazy.
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I'm not doing it!
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So he ends up
killing himself. - Yes!
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That really changed your
life, even your medical practice
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it sounds like. - Yes
I was an obstetrician.
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I delivered babies
for about 20 years.
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I closed my practice
about three years ago to devote
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full-time to methamphetamine,
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because it is so
much more important.
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What was it, when you decided
to start looking into this,
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at first it was just to
find out what happened with
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my brother, what kind
of drug is this that took
00:15:50.96\00:15:54.82
him completely away
from us, away from himself?
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What is this that
it destroyed his life,
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that was my first question,
but also I was in practice
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and was delivering babies.
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I started seeing patients
coming into my office, nine
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months pregnant, and
acting just as crazy as Jim was.
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I was doing drug tests on
these ladies and they were
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positive for methamphetamine,
it was throughout the
00:16:13.62\00:16:15.74
community, and then I looked
into it, not just as a sister,
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but as a physician,
where's the biochemistry?
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Give me an explanation.
What is this stuff doing?
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What I found out appalls me.
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Teach us some stuff.
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Methamphetamine gives a
whopping dose of the brains
00:16:29.71\00:16:34.38
favorite pleasure
chemicals called dopamine's,
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that's the long name for it.
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It is a thing that
makes everything feel good.
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It makes the music
sound good, food tastes good.
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- you are beautiful!
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Everything feels good
because of dopamine in a special
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little section
called nucleus accumbens.
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It's a pleasure center, it
is meant to operate on natural
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pleasures, beautiful
music, or a pretty flower, will
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stimulate those centers.
00:17:01.15\00:17:02.78
Loving your children, sitting
down to a nice meal is all
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that is supposed to be
necessary to stimulate those
00:17:06.19\00:17:08.31
centers, but when you overdose
them, and overpower them
00:17:08.34\00:17:12.16
with too much of abusive drugs,
00:17:12.19\00:17:14.70
they are not responding
to those things anymore.
00:17:14.73\00:17:16.61
As though hugging your children
doesn't give you a lift.
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Talking to a friend
doesn't make you feel better.
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The things that are
supposed to be gratifying and
00:17:22.84\00:17:26.26
reinforcing don't work anymore,
00:17:26.29\00:17:28.85
once you have been
on methamphetamines.
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As I came off of drugs,
what was interesting was that I
00:17:30.94\00:17:37.45
had to learn again begin to feel
good about those simple things.
00:17:37.48\00:17:40.77
I mean my brain chemistry
was so messed up, but I wanted
00:17:40.80\00:17:44.14
to tell every child on
the planet do not even destroy
00:17:44.17\00:17:48.46
yourself in this way,
it really is horrible.
00:17:48.49\00:17:51.05
As you use it is
horrible, absolutely horrible.
00:17:51.08\00:17:56.01
Family members do not
understand that either.
00:17:56.04\00:17:58.00
They say, well why don't
you just quit this stuff?
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Why don't you
just stop it, okay?
00:18:00.91\00:18:02.96
It's not that easy, it hurts
so bad to get off this stuff.
00:18:02.99\00:18:07.72
Nobody is going to do it until
it hurts worse to keep using.
00:18:07.75\00:18:11.60
And it hurts worse to
keep using in the county jail,
00:18:11.63\00:18:14.57
where nobody will bail you out.
00:18:14.60\00:18:16.19
But they don't understand that.
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Like your mom,
don't bail them out.
00:18:17.54\00:18:20.46
Don't bail them out
and let God do His job.
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- let your body
have a chance to heal.
00:18:23.64\00:18:25.79
God put that kid in
prison for a very good reason,
00:18:25.82\00:18:28.50
don't sabotage it, let him
stay there long enough to heal.
00:18:28.53\00:18:32.70
My heart says, I bet somebody
heard you say that right now.
00:18:32.73\00:18:36.24
I hope so! - Amen!
00:18:36.27\00:18:38.57
Tell me if this isn't, somebody
told me as I was coming in
00:18:41.51\00:18:43.75
to do recovery at first,
is that when I take the drug,
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when I take the meth or
stimulant or whatever, it is as
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if a neural chemistry
gets turned on like a faucet
00:18:52.31\00:18:55.26
being turned on full blast
and my body is saying, oh man
00:18:55.29\00:18:59.68
this is amazing, but nothing
else in a normal existence
00:18:59.71\00:19:05.15
can turn it on full blast.
00:19:05.18\00:19:06.93
So everything
else is secondary now.
00:19:06.96\00:19:09.07
Nothing will ever shine
the candle the way meth does.
00:19:09.10\00:19:12.22
It's like a pressure
washer of pleasure chemical.
00:19:12.25\00:19:16.44
There is no natural
stimulus that can do that.
00:19:16.47\00:19:19.31
Once you have turned off
that pressure washer, it's like
00:19:19.34\00:19:25.44
the world is so gray and
ugly and boring and stupid.
00:19:25.47\00:19:29.51
No conversation is
interesting anymore.
00:19:29.54\00:19:33.36
No televisions show is
worth watching anymore.
00:19:33.39\00:19:36.56
For at least six months
after getting off the meth,
00:19:36.59\00:19:40.67
the whole world is like oatmeal.
00:19:40.70\00:19:43.44
Nothing tastes good, nothing
sounds good, nothing looks
00:19:43.47\00:19:46.97
good, this job is
boring, these people are stupid.
00:19:47.00\00:19:49.82
If I could just feel good
again, just once, just for
00:19:49.85\00:19:53.29
a little while, if I
could just feel good again for
00:19:53.32\00:19:55.05
a little while so
they get high again.
00:19:55.08\00:19:56.85
And everybody's going,
what is the matter with you?
00:19:56.88\00:19:58.88
My sister, my sister is a
meth addict and she has been
00:20:01.95\00:20:04.57
since she was 15
and now is in her 40s.
00:20:04.60\00:20:06.86
I have said
everything, everything.
00:20:06.89\00:20:10.96
I remember going over one
time and she was 70 pounds,
00:20:10.99\00:20:15.25
maybe 78 pounds, her teeth
were all rotted out and she
00:20:15.28\00:20:19.71
had meth sores all over.
00:20:19.74\00:20:21.20
I started crying, and I put
her in front of a mirror and
00:20:21.23\00:20:23.86
I said Joni, you are scaring me.
00:20:23.89\00:20:26.73
She said, what are you
jealous that she was so thin?
00:20:26.76\00:20:31.35
I thought, the chemicals have
so flooded the brain that she
00:20:31.38\00:20:35.01
can't they even look in
the mirror and see reality
00:20:35.04\00:20:37.41
the same way, and it's
almost to me, I was surprised,
00:20:37.44\00:20:40.50
it's almost like talking to
a schizophrenic because their
00:20:40.53\00:20:43.14
reality is so
different than yours.
00:20:43.17\00:20:46.06
Can you talk a
little bit about that?
00:20:46.10\00:20:47.78
Somebody will say, why
don't you just understand
00:20:47.81\00:20:49.64
what I am saying?
00:20:49.67\00:20:51.04
The schizophrenia and
the hallucinations that are
00:20:51.07\00:20:54.93
associated with methamphetamine
are pervasive, they are through
00:20:54.96\00:20:58.10
the whole personality,
00:20:58.13\00:20:59.47
not just in any one
particular situation.
00:20:59.51\00:21:01.58
So they have this altered
sense of reality, and that
00:21:01.61\00:21:04.76
reality to them is just as
real as the table right here.
00:21:04.80\00:21:07.91
Nobody can talk them out of it.
00:21:07.94\00:21:10.30
What they see in
their minds is just as real
00:21:10.33\00:21:13.11
as any physical reality.
00:21:13.15\00:21:15.51
It actually starts as a
form of sleep depravation.
00:21:15.54\00:21:19.23
If you go for long enough
without any sleep you will
00:21:19.27\00:21:22.79
hallucinate, it happens to
me as an obstetrician after
00:21:22.83\00:21:26.31
about four days
without any sleep.
00:21:26.35\00:21:28.95
A meth addict can do
four days, two weeks.
00:21:28.98\00:21:30.38
Oh, no problem for them to
stay at two weeks at a time,
00:21:30.42\00:21:33.77
by the end of the week of no
sleep they are seeing things.
00:21:33.80\00:21:37.79
They see shadow people, they
are right outside their field
00:21:37.83\00:21:41.21
of vision and he has got a
chain in a gun and he is going
00:21:41.25\00:21:43.97
to kill me, but every time
I turn around he disappears.
00:21:44.00\00:21:46.69
Those unreality types
of feelings and situations.
00:21:46.73\00:21:53.57
They are suspicious, are worried
about someone following them.
00:21:53.61\00:21:58.24
They think every time
you pick up the phone you are
00:21:58.28\00:22:00.86
reporting them to the police.
00:22:00.90\00:22:02.21
Kind of delusional
ideas that are pervasive.
00:22:02.25\00:22:05.59
For somebody that does not
know this world, they probably
00:22:05.62\00:22:08.73
listen to you and think that
you are exaggerating a little
00:22:08.77\00:22:11.84
bit, but I want to say
you're not exaggerating.
00:22:11.87\00:22:15.00
I'm minimizing it, it
gets much worse than that.
00:22:15.04\00:22:18.09
I had a friend that thought
that the FBI was after them.
00:22:18.13\00:22:21.96
He laid in his backyard by
a tree with a gun, the only
00:22:21.99\00:22:25.33
person that came was the
mailman and he was convinced
00:22:25.36\00:22:28.66
that was the FBI.
00:22:28.70\00:22:30.06
I'm not sure why he
didn't shoot, but I'm grateful.
00:22:30.10\00:22:34.73
The paranoia in that
existence is unbelievable.
00:22:34.76\00:22:39.32
Oh yeah, they live in their
houses with the shades pulled
00:22:39.35\00:22:41.94
down, and peek out every
once in a while to see who was
00:22:41.97\00:22:44.67
walking by, but the rest of
the time they're closed in the
00:22:44.70\00:22:47.36
closet scared to
death of everybody.
00:22:47.39\00:22:49.41
That is not a life,
that is a living death.
00:22:49.45\00:22:53.08
You don't even know,
because at first the chemical,
00:22:53.11\00:22:56.99
or that feel good dopamine
just says that this is the
00:22:57.03\00:23:00.87
greatest thing ever,
the greatest thing ever.
00:23:00.91\00:23:03.03
When you actually
sees how somebody lives,
00:23:03.07\00:23:05.16
it is absolutely sad.
00:23:05.20\00:23:06.96
You have seen a lot of
research, can you share with us
00:23:07.00\00:23:11.21
a little more about that?
00:23:11.24\00:23:12.58
About the research?
00:23:12.61\00:23:14.58
Like when you talk about
the brain chemistry, or meth
00:23:14.62\00:23:18.40
labs, or how people live,
or even women coming in with
00:23:18.43\00:23:21.68
babies and still using
meth in the middle of their
00:23:21.71\00:23:24.89
pregnancy, not even under-
standing genetically what is
00:23:24.92\00:23:28.65
happening to this
child and their development.
00:23:28.68\00:23:30.94
That is a whole big ball of wax.
00:23:30.98\00:23:33.00
The impact of methamphetamine
on a developing child is
00:23:33.04\00:23:37.25
just now
starting to be understood.
00:23:37.28\00:23:39.18
20 years ago the first
study to come out was in 1989.
00:23:39.21\00:23:43.61
They did a scan on the
babies of mothers who used
00:23:43.65\00:23:47.34
methamphetamine during
pregnancy and 35% of them had
00:23:47.38\00:23:51.04
holes in their brains.
00:23:51.07\00:23:52.61
Holes in their brains
just like their mothers.
00:23:52.64\00:23:54.78
From the chemical or the
acids in meth, is it the same?
00:23:54.81\00:23:58.60
Yes, it is the same
chemical. - I had no idea!
00:23:58.63\00:24:01.36
It's erodes holes in human
brains, it erodes in the baby
00:24:01.40\00:24:05.22
brain too, but the babies,
human infants in particular,
00:24:05.25\00:24:09.50
continue developing up to
the first 21 years of life, but
00:24:09.53\00:24:12.97
especially the first two
years there is this dramatic
00:24:13.01\00:24:16.41
explosion of brain cell growth.
00:24:16.45\00:24:17.70
So if you are missing 10%
of your brain cells at birth,
00:24:17.73\00:24:21.40
that will be overgrown and
overgrown and turn into 1% by
00:24:21.43\00:24:24.54
the time you are one year
old and that is our salvation.
00:24:24.57\00:24:28.96
That is assuming that child
is raised in a nurturing home
00:24:29.00\00:24:32.84
with parents who love it
and talk to it and feed him.
00:24:32.87\00:24:36.52
That is not the case in
the average meth abusing home.
00:24:36.56\00:24:40.62
So a baby who is born into
a meth abused home with holes
00:24:40.66\00:24:44.29
in his brain already, and
his mother beats him or shakes
00:24:44.33\00:24:47.82
him when he is a little
bitty baby and ignores him and
00:24:47.85\00:24:51.31
doesn't feed him
when he's a little older,
00:24:51.34\00:24:53.24
that child will
not do well in school.
00:24:53.27\00:24:55.10
We are seeing large numbers
of these kids coming into
00:24:55.13\00:24:57.70
special education
programs in the public schools.
00:24:57.74\00:25:00.28
This was interesting for
me, hopefully for you guys,
00:25:03.14\00:25:07.39
but with meth there
are a lot of drugs we take.
00:25:07.43\00:25:11.08
I'm not going to add good
or bad, but there is a lot of
00:25:11.11\00:25:14.79
drugs we take that our
body can sort out and flush them
00:25:14.82\00:25:18.29
and all that, but with meth
and the acids in meth we can't
00:25:18.33\00:25:21.76
do it, right? We can't
get rid of it in the same way?
00:25:21.80\00:25:24.51
Well we metabolize meth
amphetamine down to chemicals
00:25:24.54\00:25:27.19
that are themselves toxic, I
call it the battery acid effect.
00:25:27.22\00:25:31.10
What is the stuff made out of?
00:25:31.13\00:25:32.92
Show them the
canister of acetone, Freon,
00:25:32.96\00:25:35.31
all the chemicals
that it is made out of.
00:25:35.35\00:25:37.64
This is what we make
methamphetamine out of, what do
00:25:37.67\00:25:40.18
you suppose your body is
going to turn it back into?
00:25:40.21\00:25:42.64
You break it down to the same
kind of caustic chemicals it
00:25:42.68\00:25:46.19
is made out of, it's
like eating battery acid.
00:25:46.23\00:25:48.51
It will destroy brain tissues.
00:25:48.54\00:25:50.53
As it passes the brain
barrier, just like dripping acid
00:25:50.56\00:25:54.65
on this soft tissue.
00:25:54.68\00:25:56.37
Yes, and it's the susceptible
soft tissue, but it also eats
00:25:56.41\00:25:59.71
holes in lungs and the heart
and kidneys, and many other
00:25:59.74\00:26:03.01
organs are damaged
by methamphetamines.
00:26:03.04\00:26:05.17
I have seen gums, teeth,
you know the visual stuff that
00:26:05.21\00:26:09.88
you can see what they lot
of addicts is in the gums and
00:26:09.92\00:26:14.56
teeth in the mouth.
00:26:14.59\00:26:15.86
It's the first thing
that is most obvious.
00:26:15.89\00:26:17.95
Their teeth fall out as soon
as six months after starting
00:26:17.98\00:26:21.57
using, because it constricts
the blood supply to the gums.
00:26:21.61\00:26:25.16
So even healthy
teeth will fall right out.
00:26:25.20\00:26:27.81
When your brother died,
when you started to do research
00:26:32.02\00:26:35.84
on what this drug is, what
kinds of things do you tell
00:26:35.88\00:26:39.66
family members of addicts?
00:26:39.70\00:26:41.74
How do you say, for one,
not enable their loved one's
00:26:41.77\00:26:45.83
using, and do they
survive with this craziness?
00:26:45.87\00:26:49.51
Number one we have
to get past the denial.
00:26:49.54\00:26:51.99
That is a hard one, you
don't want to believe it.
00:26:52.03\00:26:54.86
You do not want to think
that your kid doing this.
00:26:54.89\00:26:57.94
Oh, it couldn't be my
kid, I raised him in church.
00:26:57.97\00:27:00.98
This couldn't be happening.
00:27:01.02\00:27:02.31
The kid has a list
of excuses a mile long.
00:27:02.34\00:27:05.30
He can tell you
why he lost his job.
00:27:05.34\00:27:07.22
He can tell you
why it's out of money.
00:27:07.26\00:27:09.08
He tell you why his wife
left, he has got an excuse for
00:27:09.11\00:27:11.97
every day of the week.
00:27:12.00\00:27:13.38
If you want to believe all
that stuff, you can keep your
00:27:13.41\00:27:15.81
head in the sand for
as long as you want to.
00:27:15.85\00:27:18.67
But guys, denial does
not work, denial kills.
00:27:18.70\00:27:21.46
While you are busy
denying the obvious, your kid is
00:27:21.49\00:27:24.33
smoking is brains
away in a back bedroom.
00:27:24.36\00:27:26.52
Denial does not work.
00:27:26.55\00:27:28.30
But once we have actually
face the music and except it for
00:27:28.33\00:27:32.32
the fact that our kid has
a problem and he needs some
00:27:32.35\00:27:35.49
help, now how do you
make that kid get some help?
00:27:35.52\00:27:38.59
If he is under 18 it is
relatively easy, you just sign
00:27:38.63\00:27:42.22
the papers and get
him put into rehab.
00:27:42.25\00:27:44.63
But if he is over 18 you do
not have any control over that
00:27:44.67\00:27:47.72
child. - I have seen that
child kicking and screaming,
00:27:47.76\00:27:50.69
where we've done interventions,
and the child is kicking
00:27:50.72\00:27:53.61
and screaming when
we leave the facility.
00:27:53.65\00:27:55.76
I'm telling you to have
the have a heart to do that,
00:27:55.79\00:27:58.22
because you may save
his life or her life.
00:27:58.26\00:28:00.96
If being able to intervene
and just say this is not about
00:28:00.99\00:28:04.37
whether you are going to
like me tomorrow or not, this is
00:28:04.41\00:28:07.43
about I want you to be
alive to raise your own family.
00:28:07.46\00:28:10.25
I want you to be alive to
laugh out loud with people you
00:28:10.29\00:28:13.04
love and right now
you're not going to get there
00:28:13.08\00:28:15.55
unless we
intervene. - right, yes!
00:28:15.59\00:28:17.94
We had to take a strong
stance against teenagers using.
00:28:17.98\00:28:21.88
I recommend drug testing
in high school age kids by the
00:28:21.92\00:28:25.79
parents, even if
the schools won't do it,
00:28:25.82\00:28:28.12
but parents need to.
00:28:28.15\00:28:29.61
My daughter was so mad, I
keep drug testing kits with me
00:28:29.65\00:28:32.47
because I work
with at risk folks.
00:28:32.50\00:28:33.95
If you are even glassy eyed
I think, excuse me can you pee
00:28:33.99\00:28:37.19
in this? And people
are furious with me.
00:28:37.23\00:28:40.45
But my daughter came home
one day with this person that
00:28:40.48\00:28:43.56
was cutting and smoking weed.
00:28:43.59\00:28:45.00
I could smell the weed
and I'm thinking, no way!
00:28:45.03\00:28:48.14
No way, because you can
tell that your kids are running
00:28:48.17\00:28:50.98
around with folks that are
using and you have to ask the
00:28:51.02\00:28:53.79
obvious question, are you using?
00:28:53.82\00:28:56.22
So I asked her and she looked
at me like I can't believe
00:28:56.26\00:28:59.41
you asked me that.
00:28:59.44\00:29:00.41
I'm thinking, excuse
me, but your friend has
00:29:00.43\00:29:03.26
got blood dripping
down her hand practically
00:29:03.30\00:29:06.10
and she is smoking weed.
00:29:06.13\00:29:07.61
You can smell it. She
said, but that is her.
00:29:07.64\00:29:09.98
I say Jackie, I just
need to drug test you.
00:29:10.02\00:29:12.29
So she goes in there and pees
in the cup and she brings it
00:29:12.32\00:29:15.53
out and she is
furious, she is negative.
00:29:15.57\00:29:18.12
She is furious, but
I'm like dancing, woo hoo!
00:29:18.15\00:29:21.70
Because I need
that peace of mind.
00:29:21.74\00:29:23.77
Drug testing kits are cheap,
they are easy to keep around.
00:29:23.80\00:29:27.79
It's almost like nowadays
we don't have the luxury to be
00:29:27.82\00:29:31.77
unaware, we just
don't have the luxury.
00:29:31.81\00:29:35.46
These drugs are deadly,
they are not like, well I don't
00:29:35.50\00:29:39.98
know, not like they are
in their 50's when people
00:29:40.01\00:29:42.53
were drinking or whatever.
00:29:42.57\00:29:43.72
Even though
people died with that,
00:29:43.76\00:29:45.30
but these drugs are deadly.
00:29:45.33\00:29:47.54
I'm used to
seeing all that stuff.
00:29:47.57\00:29:50.21
You know it is the deadliest
thing, I'm sorry go ahead.
00:29:50.24\00:29:53.45
A drug test does not have
to destroy trust in the family.
00:29:53.48\00:29:56.66
A drug test can
establish trust in the family.
00:29:56.69\00:30:00.34
Where that kid proves to
you that he is clean and that
00:30:00.37\00:30:04.25
he handled himself responsibly.
00:30:04.29\00:30:06.33
That gives him an
opportunity to prove to you that
00:30:06.37\00:30:08.78
he is a responsible individual.
00:30:08.81\00:30:10.82
That builds trust in the family.
00:30:10.86\00:30:12.80
I must handle the wrong
because she was mad at me for
00:30:12.83\00:30:15.13
a couple of days.
00:30:15.16\00:30:16.43
To me, and I think for a
lot of us, we want to believe
00:30:18.38\00:30:23.06
that it is just not here,
and I'm sure your family with
00:30:23.10\00:30:26.86
your brother, we just
what to believe it's not here,
00:30:26.89\00:30:30.62
or it is not that
bad, or it is not anything
00:30:30.65\00:30:33.07
I need to intervene.
00:30:33.11\00:30:34.39
I see situations where
I think when I walk in and
00:30:34.42\00:30:37.89
everybody is having,
after church, and everyone's
00:30:37.92\00:30:40.96
having potluck and I'm
thinking does anybody see this
00:30:40.99\00:30:43.99
kid over here? Because
I want to do a drug test.
00:30:44.03\00:30:46.96
It is like being able to
be aware, because you will
00:30:47.00\00:30:49.90
save a life and help someone.
00:30:49.93\00:30:51.67
We have to get over our
hesitancy to confront people,
00:30:51.70\00:30:56.42
especially our children.
00:30:56.45\00:30:57.86
We are hesitant to make a
scene or cause a fuss or to
00:30:57.90\00:31:01.57
make a demand on our kids.
00:31:01.61\00:31:04.13
This is a matter of brain cells
guys, this is not anybody's
00:31:04.16\00:31:07.93
pride or dignity at
stake, this is brain cells.
00:31:07.96\00:31:11.28
Like hepatitis, both
are some painful deaths.
00:31:11.31\00:31:14.80
You are talking liver
and brain and tissues that
00:31:14.83\00:31:18.28
mean life or death.
00:31:18.31\00:31:19.65
HIV, HIV is making a huge
comeback in the countryside's,
00:31:19.68\00:31:23.89
because addicts to do
not care who they sleep with.
00:31:23.93\00:31:28.53
What would you tell,
definitely educate yourself.
00:31:28.57\00:31:32.62
Test your kids if
you're curious, if there is any
00:31:32.65\00:31:36.64
suspicion, and a feeling
that you need to test somebody.
00:31:36.67\00:31:41.27
Anything else with families?
00:31:41.31\00:31:42.70
Once families have come to
grips with the fact that this
00:31:42.74\00:31:45.62
kid has a problem, it's
time to get out the tough love.
00:31:45.65\00:31:49.76
Tough love is hard, that
means letting him face the
00:31:49.79\00:31:53.86
natural
consequences of his decisions.
00:31:53.90\00:31:56.80
If that means that his car
is impounded, leave the car
00:31:56.84\00:32:00.11
impounded, if it
means he's in county jail,
00:32:00.15\00:32:02.45
leave him in county jail.
00:32:02.48\00:32:04.22
Let him face the consequences
of the decisions he's
00:32:04.26\00:32:06.80
making so he can
make stronger decisions.
00:32:06.84\00:32:08.28
So what will people
think about our family?
00:32:08.31\00:32:09.72
Oh yes you see,
that's the problem.
00:32:09.75\00:32:12.80
What will the church think?
00:32:12.83\00:32:14.08
What will the people
of the Country Club say?
00:32:14.11\00:32:16.22
Oh yeah, the people at
the Country Club are not
00:32:16.25\00:32:18.92
responsible for
your kids brain, you are.
00:32:18.95\00:32:20.77
They are not going to bury him!
00:32:20.81\00:32:22.27
Every time you give that
kid another hundred bucks,
00:32:22.31\00:32:24.38
you are putting
another hole in his brain.
00:32:24.42\00:32:26.26
To me it is absolutely amazing
to just say it straight up
00:32:26.30\00:32:32.56
this is the reality of it.
00:32:32.59\00:32:34.23
I think it gives
us permission to act.
00:32:34.27\00:32:36.47
There was a group of kids
in Georgia, where 17 junior
00:32:36.50\00:32:42.87
high school kids
end up with syphilis.
00:32:42.91\00:32:45.02
Did you hear about that?
00:32:45.05\00:32:46.73
17, so definitely disease
and folks are saying what's up
00:32:46.77\00:32:51.14
here, and they were meeting
after school using and sleeping
00:32:51.18\00:32:55.52
together and watching
porn and all that stuff.
00:32:55.55\00:32:57.89
It was because they were
bored, it was a very affluent
00:32:57.92\00:33:01.75
area, so for us to bury our
heads is just saying we have
00:33:01.79\00:33:05.59
no idea the
society we are living in.
00:33:05.62\00:33:07.50
To me, I don't even care
anymore if I offend someone,
00:33:07.54\00:33:11.47
I think we have to talk,
we have to say out loud that
00:33:11.51\00:33:15.39
this is out there and that
meth is in every state that
00:33:15.42\00:33:19.27
I go to now as I
travel and speak in schools.
00:33:19.31\00:33:22.25
Meth is just taking
over as the drug of choice.
00:33:22.28\00:33:25.19
It is cheap and easily made.
00:33:25.23\00:33:27.31
Cheap and it's
readily available and the
00:33:27.34\00:33:28.98
kids think it's safe.
00:33:29.02\00:33:30.57
They have heard about
crack babies and they don't want
00:33:30.60\00:33:32.69
to have anything to do with
that cocaine, but they think
00:33:32.73\00:33:34.79
methamphetamine is safe.
00:33:34.82\00:33:36.50
They can take by mouth
and they don't have to shoot a
00:33:36.54\00:33:39.59
needle, they can smoke it
like a pipe like marijuana.
00:33:39.63\00:33:42.44
They think it is a and
it is far more destructive
00:33:42.47\00:33:45.25
than any amount of cocaine.
00:33:45.29\00:33:47.08
So breaking denial,
that's definitely, tough love.
00:33:47.12\00:33:50.88
So what does
tough love look like?
00:33:50.91\00:33:53.00
Tough love is hard to do.
00:33:53.03\00:33:55.02
Tough love, there is three
major barriers to tough love.
00:33:55.06\00:33:58.27
Number one is denial,
like we had talked about.
00:33:58.30\00:34:00.34
Number two is fear, you
don't want to keep your kid out
00:34:00.37\00:34:03.79
of the house because you
know he will go with his drug
00:34:03.83\00:34:07.21
buddies and might get killed.
00:34:07.25\00:34:08.71
But he is getting killed
in your back bedroom too.
00:34:08.75\00:34:12.18
So let's not be afraid,
let's be afraid of the right
00:34:12.21\00:34:16.10
thing, let's be afraid of
drug use, not the punishment.
00:34:16.14\00:34:19.83
Then there is always an
underlying element of guilt.
00:34:19.86\00:34:23.56
Parents feel responsible
for what their kids have done.
00:34:23.60\00:34:27.27
They feel like they
should have prevented it.
00:34:27.30\00:34:29.44
They should have known better
than to let them run around
00:34:29.47\00:34:31.70
with those kids, they
should have stopped it.
00:34:31.73\00:34:33.42
They feel all this guilt,
and sometimes it is false guilt.
00:34:33.46\00:34:37.99
You blame yourself for
everything your kid has done.
00:34:38.02\00:34:40.67
Take that false guilt
and thrown out the window.
00:34:40.71\00:34:43.29
You are not responsible
for every decision your kid has
00:34:43.32\00:34:46.08
ever made, but underneath
it all there is always
00:34:46.12\00:34:49.07
a generous dose of real guilt.
00:34:49.11\00:34:50.66
True guilt, I know
where I failed my children and
00:34:50.70\00:34:55.19
you know where you
failed your children.
00:34:55.22\00:34:56.93
Nobody is a perfect parent.
00:34:56.96\00:34:58.38
You take your true guilt
to the cross of Jesus Christ.
00:34:58.42\00:35:01.25
Let Him forgive you
and then forgive yourself.
00:35:01.28\00:35:07.26
And now you can do the
tough love that you have to do
00:35:07.30\00:35:11.02
to save that child's life,
but you can't do it while you're
00:35:11.06\00:35:13.92
hauling around a ton of guilt.
00:35:13.95\00:35:15.67
You have to set that down.
00:35:15.71\00:35:17.36
We are going to go
ahead and take a break but
00:35:17.40\00:35:19.99
I want to come back to that.
00:35:20.02\00:35:21.07
Also on our next
segment we are going to ask some
00:35:21.11\00:35:24.33
questions, I mean they're
going to ask us questions
00:35:24.37\00:35:27.55
asked at the café.
00:35:27.59\00:35:28.85
So stay with us we
will be right back.
00:35:28.89\00:35:30.46
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00:35:59.31\00:36:02.88
Were talking about tough
love, and a lot of people have
00:36:18.14\00:36:21.54
misconceptions
about what that is.
00:36:21.58\00:36:24.53
If you have a family
member that is using and you are
00:36:24.57\00:36:27.77
trying to set boundaries
around them, what does that
00:36:27.80\00:36:30.97
exactly mean to have tough love?
00:36:31.00\00:36:33.70
You are talking before the
break about breaking denial,
00:36:33.73\00:36:36.73
getting yourself educated,
setting boundaries, talk a
00:36:36.76\00:36:39.50
little bit more about
what it is and what it isn't.
00:36:39.54\00:36:43.08
Tough love is going to be
hard to do on an individual
00:36:43.11\00:36:46.62
basis because every
situation is different.
00:36:46.65\00:36:49.50
What it boils down to is
you don't give them any money,
00:36:49.54\00:36:52.81
and you don't let them live
at your place, and you don't
00:36:52.84\00:36:55.58
let them use your car, and
they don't lie to their boss.
00:36:55.61\00:36:58.47
If they get put in jail
you let them stay there, oh are
00:36:58.51\00:37:01.34
they going to complain. - right!
00:37:01.37\00:37:02.69
You have abandoned me,
and you have ignored me, you
00:37:02.73\00:37:05.93
hate me, they are going to
accuse you of all these things.
00:37:05.96\00:37:09.55
But if somebody you know
it's going to be compromised,
00:37:09.59\00:37:13.15
drinking, drugs or
whatever, you don't want
00:37:13.18\00:37:16.13
them driving your car,
so what you're doing is just
00:37:16.17\00:37:18.26
setting appropriate boundaries.
00:37:18.29\00:37:19.94
Right, you must set limits.
00:37:19.98\00:37:21.56
If you're going to use
drugs I can't stop you, you are
00:37:21.59\00:37:24.00
over 18 and I can't stop you.
00:37:24.04\00:37:25.34
But I can keep you
from using them in my house.
00:37:25.37\00:37:27.77
- and driving my car.
00:37:27.80\00:37:29.51
I'm not going to give you
any money to buy dope with.
00:37:29.55\00:37:31.78
I'm not even going to pay
your electric bill because
00:37:31.81\00:37:34.01
you are responsible
for your electric bill.
00:37:34.04\00:37:36.50
If you are spending
all your money on dope and
00:37:36.54\00:37:38.93
you don't pay your electric
bill that is not my problem,
00:37:38.96\00:37:40.65
that is your problem.
00:37:40.69\00:37:41.87
And being able to even say that,
and some people say I have to
00:37:41.90\00:37:45.82
be angry at them to do
that, you really don't.
00:37:45.85\00:37:47.87
It is just the way it is.
00:37:47.90\00:37:50.38
You need to be very firm
and know in your mind that you
00:37:50.41\00:37:54.02
are not going to cave in,
because you know that every
00:37:54.05\00:37:57.00
time you give that kid at
another hundred bucks you are
00:37:57.03\00:37:59.95
putting another
hole in his brain.
00:37:59.98\00:38:01.66
If that is firmly in your
mind then you are not even
00:38:01.70\00:38:04.70
tempted to give him any money.
00:38:04.74\00:38:06.28
I have never thought of it
that way, when you said that
00:38:06.31\00:38:09.38
I was thinking, oh man,
no addict on the planet that
00:38:09.41\00:38:12.45
watches this
movie is ever going to
00:38:12.48\00:38:13.91
a hundred bucks again.
00:38:13.95\00:38:15.18
Just from you.
00:38:15.21\00:38:17.02
I hope not, but when they make
all those accusations against
00:38:17.06\00:38:19.96
you, you don't care, you
don't love me, you're not doing
00:38:20.00\00:38:23.04
what you're supposed to
do, you have not abandoned that
00:38:23.07\00:38:25.95
child as long as you are
still praying for that child.
00:38:25.98\00:38:28.84
You don't give them any
money, you don't help them out
00:38:28.88\00:38:31.56
anyway, but as long as
you are still praying for that
00:38:31.60\00:38:34.25
kid, you have not
abandoned him. - exactly!
00:38:34.28\00:38:36.88
You may get tired of it,
don't get discouraged, you keep
00:38:36.91\00:38:39.82
praying, it might be
years, but you keep praying.
00:38:39.85\00:38:43.71
Surround yourself
by people that will
00:38:43.75\00:38:45.69
affirm and edify you.
00:38:45.72\00:38:46.88
Other people will join you
in prayer, because powerful
00:38:46.92\00:38:49.70
prayer is done
in pairs. - right!
00:38:49.73\00:38:52.06
As long as you are
praying for them you have not
00:38:52.09\00:38:54.99
abandoned them, that is
important to understand because
00:38:55.02\00:38:57.28
you feel like you
have abandoned them.
00:38:57.32\00:38:58.95
You can't talk to your
addict kid, he can't hear a word
00:38:58.98\00:39:03.61
you say to him, the only
person who can talk to a meth
00:39:03.64\00:39:08.24
addict is the Holy Spirit.
00:39:08.27\00:39:10.17
Every time you pray for
that kid, the Holy Spirit speaks
00:39:10.21\00:39:13.62
into his heart and he
understands every word.
00:39:13.65\00:39:16.11
So don't get tired of it,
don't get discouraged, keep
00:39:16.15\00:39:19.82
praying even though
you're not feeling it.
00:39:19.85\00:39:21.81
And know that He is hearing
God. He may not be hearing you.
00:39:21.85\00:39:24.72
And he had to pray with
both hands, you can't pray with
00:39:24.75\00:39:27.98
one hand and give him
50 bucks with the other.
00:39:28.01\00:39:29.64
It doesn't work that way.
00:39:29.68\00:39:30.81
When you say that I'm thinking
what do you mean both hands?
00:39:30.84\00:39:33.10
You can't pray with one hand and
give him 50 bucks with the other
00:39:34.41\00:39:38.02
You know what is fun, I
can tell that you are so clear,
00:39:38.06\00:39:42.17
do not enable this child.
00:39:42.20\00:39:43.52
You know what it feels
like to lose somebody you love,
00:39:43.56\00:39:47.08
you do not want
to lose this child.
00:39:47.11\00:39:49.35
I just want to say that every
single child, husband, wife,
00:39:49.38\00:39:54.36
whoever the addict is, make
sure that they know that they
00:39:54.40\00:39:59.34
are loved, I
think that is important.
00:39:59.38\00:40:02.64
There is a book that I
love calling 'Caring Enough To
00:40:02.68\00:40:05.65
Confront', do I care
enough about you to confront?
00:40:05.68\00:40:09.31
And I do, so if you are
acting out and I have to set
00:40:09.35\00:40:12.94
limits, I'm just
going to repeat myself.
00:40:12.98\00:40:14.75
I am doing this because
I know that you are using.
00:40:14.78\00:40:17.46
The person can yell, you
are a na-na-na and na-na-na and
00:40:17.49\00:40:21.30
I'm doing this because you are
using and they can yell again.
00:40:21.34\00:40:23.30
I am doing this because you
are using and if I have just
00:40:23.34\00:40:26.93
repeat myself like a parrot,
I can't get hooked into the
00:40:26.97\00:40:30.36
argument, I can just say
again I am doing this because
00:40:30.39\00:40:33.74
I know you are using.
00:40:33.78\00:40:34.98
Being able to be firm, and
there are times where you are
00:40:35.01\00:40:37.99
going to want to cry and
cry and cry, but just cry,
00:40:38.02\00:40:40.96
but do not give them 50 bucks.
00:40:40.99\00:40:42.75
That is why you need a support
group of people around you
00:40:42.79\00:40:45.87
that understand what
you're going through.
00:40:45.90\00:40:47.43
You got to level with the
people in your Sunday school
00:40:47.47\00:40:50.17
class or church and tell
them what you are really going
00:40:50.20\00:40:52.87
through so they can
pray intelligently with you.
00:40:52.90\00:40:55.10
There will be some who will
sit on the other side of the
00:40:55.14\00:40:57.98
church, I don't want to sit
next to you because your kid
00:40:58.02\00:41:00.83
is a drug addict,
just pray for them too.
00:41:00.86\00:41:03.43
You need people around you
that understand what you're
00:41:03.47\00:41:06.52
going through, and if you
are trying to wallpaper over it
00:41:06.56\00:41:09.89
and deny to the people around
you that you have a problem,
00:41:09.92\00:41:13.22
that is not helping
you, that is isolating you.
00:41:13.26\00:41:16.44
I love the fact that you
said to just make sure that you
00:41:16.47\00:41:19.35
can talk to someone, and
if I know someone is going to
00:41:19.38\00:41:22.22
judge me I'm going
to talk to someone else.
00:41:22.25\00:41:23.77
Because right now I am
struggling enough, it is not
00:41:23.80\00:41:26.74
about your acceptance anymore,
it's about my spouse or my
00:41:26.78\00:41:29.60
child's life and so
I don't want to even,
00:41:29.64\00:41:32.72
I can't get wrapped
up in all that stuff.
00:41:32.76\00:41:35.77
We isolate ourselves when
we are faced with something
00:41:35.81\00:41:38.12
like this, because we don't
want to tell the neighbors.
00:41:38.16\00:41:41.13
We don't want to tell our
friends and we have to tell
00:41:41.17\00:41:43.92
these people, we have to
find somebody that you can level
00:41:43.96\00:41:46.68
with, and be honest
with, be genuine and have
00:41:46.71\00:41:51.14
people praying with you.
00:41:51.18\00:41:52.61
I know I'm going to so step
on toes right now, I'm going
00:41:52.65\00:41:55.72
to say something and at
first I was not going to say it.
00:41:55.76\00:41:58.80
I was actually biting my
tongue, do not share this.
00:41:58.83\00:42:00.92
But I'm going
to share something,
00:42:00.96\00:42:02.44
and tell me what you think.
00:42:02.47\00:42:03.84
I get asked to do a one on
one home intervention with a
00:42:03.88\00:42:07.16
meth addict
let's say, in New York.
00:42:07.19\00:42:09.35
I go in and this was a
beautiful home, a doctor's home.
00:42:09.39\00:42:14.26
Incredible, and I was a little
intimidated because it was
00:42:14.30\00:42:18.19
just beautiful and I am an
addict in recovery so to me.
00:42:18.23\00:42:22.77
So I sit down, I love God
and I pray before I do anything.
00:42:22.80\00:42:26.65
I think Jesus gives me the
Holy Spirit and I am equipped
00:42:26.68\00:42:30.50
when I walk in the
door, and that is the only way
00:42:30.53\00:42:32.78
I can do this kind of work.
00:42:32.82\00:42:34.13
So I go in and the father
comes in and son who was 22 and
00:42:34.16\00:42:36.99
a meth addict who was out
running the streets and out of
00:42:37.03\00:42:40.20
control, and the Holy Spirit
tells me that the father is
00:42:40.24\00:42:43.38
having an affair
and is addicted to porn.
00:42:43.42\00:42:45.94
When he cleans up,
his son will clean up.
00:42:45.97\00:42:48.83
I'm thinking, oh
man, don't tell me that.
00:42:48.87\00:42:51.70
I so know that
God supernaturally
00:42:51.73\00:42:56.42
leads us in our recovery.
00:42:56.45\00:42:57.91
He supernaturally leads
us in ministry and so I knew
00:42:57.94\00:43:00.92
that, that impression, I
didn't hear a voice, but that
00:43:00.95\00:43:03.90
impression that I
got was a very real.
00:43:03.93\00:43:06.20
Sometimes in families check
your stuff, not saying that
00:43:06.23\00:43:10.04
it is anybody's fault, but
if you are sexually acting out,
00:43:10.07\00:43:13.22
if you are using yourself,
if you are bringing drugs and
00:43:13.26\00:43:16.37
alcohol into the home
and your kids are acting out,
00:43:16.41\00:43:18.51
it's because, it's almost like
we let the devil come in and
00:43:18.54\00:43:21.76
then we don't want him
to play with our children.
00:43:21.80\00:43:23.64
So there is that sense, to
me, tough love involves being
00:43:23.67\00:43:27.95
tough with yourself, do
you agree with what I'm saying?
00:43:27.98\00:43:32.22
Yes I understand
what you are saying.
00:43:32.26\00:43:33.56
When I finally got to say
to this doctor, do you have
00:43:33.59\00:43:38.34
anything you would
like to talk about?
00:43:38.37\00:43:40.05
He looked at me and lost
all the color in his face and
00:43:40.09\00:43:43.46
I remember, he was like what?
00:43:43.50\00:43:45.85
God said, Cheri say it.
00:43:45.89\00:43:48.79
I said do you have any
porn addictions or anything?
00:43:48.82\00:43:50.83
He said I knew
you're going to say that.
00:43:50.87\00:43:52.43
So God was
already working on him.
00:43:52.46\00:43:55.00
So being able to honestly
say to him, is you know what?
00:43:55.03\00:44:00.22
Clean up, and honestly
look at yourself so that
00:44:00.26\00:44:04.86
you can be there for your
children, so you can be there
00:44:04.90\00:44:07.40
for your community, or
your church, but don't think
00:44:07.44\00:44:09.67
you are going to carry
all this stuff in your pocket
00:44:09.70\00:44:11.90
and just give lip
service and somebody
00:44:11.94\00:44:14.43
life is going to change.
00:44:14.47\00:44:15.71
You really have to be serious
about wanting to change your
00:44:15.75\00:44:19.02
life and reach out to them.
00:44:19.05\00:44:20.30
That is one thing about
the Lord, He is genuine.
00:44:20.33\00:44:22.62
He won't put up with a phony.
00:44:22.66\00:44:24.88
He won't be mocked,
it says in the Bible.
00:44:24.91\00:44:26.53
I'm thinking man, we're going
to open it up for questions.
00:44:26.56\00:44:30.98
I'm just am thrilled with
who is at the café, so Brian you
00:44:31.02\00:44:35.41
have been on other
shows and I love you, what do
00:44:35.44\00:44:39.36
you think about
what is being said?
00:44:39.39\00:44:40.87
Well doctor first of all,
I really enjoy what you are
00:44:40.91\00:44:43.68
saying here and I live
on an Indian reservation.
00:44:43.72\00:44:45.81
Of course meth knows no
boundaries, these people that
00:44:45.85\00:44:49.97
are cooking this meth and
seeing an opportunity to make
00:44:50.01\00:44:53.27
some money on the Indian
reservations, and it's happening
00:44:53.30\00:44:56.53
all over the United
States and it is becoming
00:44:56.56\00:45:01.11
an epidemic in Indian country.
00:45:01.14\00:45:03.16
Talking about tough love, I
live on a small reservation,
00:45:03.19\00:45:06.58
800 members, so everybody
knows everybody, and everybody
00:45:06.62\00:45:09.98
knows what everybody is doing.
00:45:10.01\00:45:11.46
That is the message that
our people need to hear is that
00:45:11.50\00:45:15.69
we need to have a tough love
in our community, and we need
00:45:15.72\00:45:19.88
to stop this now.
00:45:19.91\00:45:21.24
What has been the recovery
rate of these meth addicts?
00:45:21.28\00:45:24.40
One thing you said is
that you need the Holy Spirit.
00:45:24.43\00:45:27.44
It is by the grace of God
that I am here today because
00:45:27.48\00:45:30.45
I'm recovering, a drug
and alcohol addict myself.
00:45:30.48\00:45:33.35
It was only through the
grace of God that allowed me to
00:45:33.39\00:45:36.78
be here today, but what is
the recovery rate you're seeing
00:45:36.81\00:45:40.17
from these meth addict's?
00:45:40.20\00:45:41.75
Meth addicts take a lot
longer to recover from addiction
00:45:41.78\00:45:45.30
than say an alcoholic,
or even a cocaine addict.
00:45:45.33\00:45:48.17
The traditional program
was a 28 day program that was
00:45:48.21\00:45:52.19
developed for alcohol and
it was effective for alcohol.
00:45:52.23\00:45:56.18
But 28 days doesn't
cut it for methamphetamine.
00:45:56.22\00:45:59.41
After 28 day inpatient
program we still have about
00:45:59.44\00:46:02.76
an 88% failure rate,
they go back and use again.
00:46:02.80\00:46:06.08
So they spaced it
out to maybe six months,
00:46:06.12\00:46:08.90
maybe six months is enough.
00:46:08.93\00:46:10.42
With a six-month program,
a real high-quality one,
00:46:10.46\00:46:13.73
you get about a 50% yield.
00:46:13.76\00:46:15.77
The other 50% go
back and use again.
00:46:15.81\00:46:18.52
So now we are spacing
then out to a full year,
00:46:18.56\00:46:21.51
12 to 18 months, and that
12 to 18 months has to work
00:46:21.55\00:46:25.69
on not just the
physical addiction,
00:46:25.72\00:46:27.53
but also the
psychological addiction and the
00:46:27.57\00:46:30.36
spiritual deprivation
that these people have.
00:46:30.40\00:46:33.22
And with a really
good comprehensive program,
00:46:33.25\00:46:36.32
a 12 month program has
about a 90% success rate.
00:46:36.36\00:46:39.36
That is amazing, because
even when you talk about those
00:46:39.40\00:46:42.64
neural chemical things
that have to repair itself,
00:46:42.68\00:46:45.50
that repairing happens
within that time frame? - right!
00:46:45.53\00:46:49.65
The neuro-chemicals
recover, but synapses start
00:46:49.68\00:46:53.19
firing again, neuro
tracks start functioning again.
00:46:53.23\00:46:56.67
They grow new synapses new
dendrites and it recovers some
00:46:56.70\00:47:00.75
function in areas that
we thought had no function,
00:47:00.78\00:47:04.80
but it is not going
to happen overnight.
00:47:04.83\00:47:06.67
You didn't get sick
overnight, and you are not going
00:47:06.71\00:47:08.94
to get better overnight.
00:47:08.98\00:47:10.46
So Brian, you talked
about even on the reservations
00:47:10.50\00:47:13.32
putting programs together
and people are literally looking
00:47:13.36\00:47:16.00
at all that stuff right now.
00:47:16.04\00:47:17.61
I think that the best of
the best programs, if it's
00:47:17.64\00:47:21.58
30 days for a meth
addict, you are saying
00:47:21.61\00:47:23.64
it is not enough?
00:47:23.68\00:47:25.49
30 days in patient is a
beginning, but it is not the
00:47:25.52\00:47:28.79
total picture, they need another
several months of outpatient
00:47:28.82\00:47:32.59
intensive rehabilitation,
past that 30 days.
00:47:32.63\00:47:36.05
And for the rest
of the year, intensive
00:47:36.09\00:47:39.30
12-step participation
where they have a place where
00:47:39.34\00:47:42.44
they can go, where
people understand what
00:47:42.47\00:47:44.22
they are going through.
00:47:44.25\00:47:45.30
Somebody knows what it
means to have a using dream,
00:47:45.33\00:47:47.50
talk about the time
you had a using dream and
00:47:47.53\00:47:49.88
woke up screaming for it.
00:47:49.92\00:47:51.48
People who understand
than then they can support
00:47:51.51\00:47:54.54
each other, but if you
are in an environment where
00:47:54.57\00:47:57.56
nobody knows what
you are dealing with,
00:47:57.59\00:48:00.24
you feel abandoned
and you will use again.
00:48:00.28\00:48:02.86
Sometimes in a typical
church environment people are
00:48:02.89\00:48:07.10
not educated enough to walk
a meth and through recovery.
00:48:07.13\00:48:11.30
There are some
specialized 12-step programs
00:48:11.34\00:48:13.87
for methamphetamines,
one is Celebrate Recovery.
00:48:13.90\00:48:16.67
- I love that program.
00:48:16.71\00:48:17.68
That is a wonderful program.
00:48:17.69\00:48:18.86
- I used to run the
program in my church.
00:48:18.90\00:48:21.00
- we have one in our church
too, and it is so powerful
00:48:21.03\00:48:24.53
because it is real
addicts talking to real addicts.
00:48:24.56\00:48:27.99
No phony stuff, no fill in
the blanks, this is real life.
00:48:28.02\00:48:33.68
What is fun about those
programs is that an addict
00:48:33.72\00:48:36.19
will come in and start
trying to play somebody,
00:48:36.22\00:48:38.62
everybody in the room is
like what's up, don't play me.
00:48:38.66\00:48:42.54
A normal group will be going,
really your grandma is dead,
00:48:42.58\00:48:46.43
and you need 20 bucks?
00:48:46.46\00:48:47.43
Grandmother you know I
never had a grandmother.
00:48:50.17\00:48:52.78
- It's like give it up.
00:48:52.81\00:48:54.72
So it is fun to be able
to be with people that know,
00:48:54.76\00:48:59.15
and also to realize the
length of recovery for folks.
00:48:59.18\00:49:03.09
I think we want people to
stop using, and as soon as
00:49:03.13\00:49:07.01
they stop the next
day we want them eating
00:49:07.04\00:49:08.81
brown rice and
behaving, and it doesn't happen.
00:49:08.84\00:49:12.32
It is a process, you
heal from the inside out.
00:49:12.35\00:49:15.75
Jesus will heal your
heart first, anger, pain, shame,
00:49:15.79\00:49:19.98
guilt, He would heal
all that stuff, that is
00:49:20.01\00:49:22.77
a spiritual thing, then
we move on to your mind.
00:49:22.80\00:49:25.52
Attitudes,
relationships, thought patterns,
00:49:25.55\00:49:28.06
and the last thing to
change is your behavior.
00:49:28.09\00:49:30.52
You know what's interesting,
I think you said this.
00:49:30.56\00:49:35.26
That track that I am so
fascinated with is that we
00:49:35.29\00:49:39.93
repetitive right behavior
and right choices really help
00:49:39.96\00:49:43.79
that to restore itself, so
any discipline, exercising,
00:49:43.82\00:49:47.61
and getting out side
and eating the right things,
00:49:47.65\00:49:49.42
any discipline behavior.
00:49:49.46\00:49:51.48
The in-patient rehab program,
if I can't control myself by
00:49:51.51\00:49:56.70
my own initiative, maybe
somebody else can control me.
00:49:56.74\00:50:00.33
So they put them in a
rehab center where they make
00:50:00.37\00:50:03.14
them get up at six
o'clock every morning, stand in
00:50:03.17\00:50:05.45
line and mop the floors,
make the bed, do the stuff
00:50:05.49\00:50:07.73
you didn't want to
do, because every time
00:50:07.77\00:50:09.58
you do something you
did not want to do, you are
00:50:09.62\00:50:12.88
doing a bench press
with your self-control track.
00:50:12.92\00:50:16.14
It grows new
connections, new synapses, and
00:50:16.18\00:50:19.62
we regain function, but
it doesn't happen in 28 days.
00:50:19.65\00:50:23.39
We learn this, and I
think that as you learn this
00:50:23.43\00:50:26.67
and are working with
addicts is when somebody says,
00:50:26.71\00:50:30.17
no I do not want to mop
the floor, we live on a ranch.
00:50:30.21\00:50:33.26
I don't want to go pick
up horse poop, I have to say,
00:50:33.30\00:50:36.47
I get excited because
they are repairing damage in
00:50:36.51\00:50:39.61
their neuro chemistry, and
even if they think it is about
00:50:39.64\00:50:42.55
horse poop, it is not right now.
00:50:42.58\00:50:44.50
This is repairing what
the drug took from you.
00:50:44.54\00:50:48.48
So I can't even let
them get out of the task.
00:50:48.51\00:50:51.85
It becomes easy and
spontaneous and it is natural
00:50:51.89\00:50:55.05
to control those
cravings and desires because
00:50:55.08\00:50:58.21
you've been scooping horse poop.
00:50:58.25\00:50:59.65
I love that, I love
that, okay Curly do you have
00:50:59.69\00:51:02.96
horse poop, you have a question?
00:51:03.00\00:51:04.80
Horse poop to Curly, I'm
doing good, I'm doing good.
00:51:04.83\00:51:08.94
I have a comment, you
were talking earlier about how
00:51:08.98\00:51:12.56
paranoia sets in when
people sit in their house with
00:51:12.59\00:51:15.73
the blinds shut, I laugh
because I have been there.
00:51:15.77\00:51:19.12
You know, it's one
night I spent the whole time
00:51:19.16\00:51:21.87
tiptoeing around the
house so no one could hear me.
00:51:21.91\00:51:24.59
No one lived around me.
00:51:24.62\00:51:26.46
I woke up the next day
and my calves were tight
00:51:26.50\00:51:28.96
and I thought man what happened?
00:51:28.99\00:51:30.75
That stuff happens, hiding
in the closet I've done that.
00:51:30.78\00:51:33.78
You think someone is
coming up to the door.
00:51:33.82\00:51:36.08
- people don't think
that those are true stories.
00:51:36.12\00:51:39.69
- they are, and I laugh
about it now, but it is real.
00:51:39.72\00:51:42.93
Those people that are
watching this now, let me tell
00:51:42.97\00:51:46.14
you what, personally I
know that stuff happens.
00:51:46.17\00:51:48.79
I am able to laugh at
it now because there is
00:51:48.83\00:51:51.45
another side, there is
something more than that.
00:51:51.48\00:51:54.79
Once you get there,
it's such a good life and so
00:51:54.82\00:51:57.58
much better and you can
look at that stuff and laugh
00:51:57.61\00:52:00.00
at it because you have
been there and it is real.
00:52:00.03\00:52:02.34
There is probably someone
watching now that may be at that
00:52:02.38\00:52:05.38
point, they just did it
last night, something like that.
00:52:05.41\00:52:08.37
I want to let them
know, man, get past it.
00:52:08.41\00:52:10.59
Once you take that initial
step, life is so much better.
00:52:10.62\00:52:14.31
It is great and there
is hope, give it to God and
00:52:14.35\00:52:18.35
let Him take care of it.
00:52:18.39\00:52:19.40
As your brain heals you
start enjoying life again,
00:52:19.43\00:52:21.78
start laughing again.
00:52:21.82\00:52:23.86
That's right, I'm back
to the point where I got my
00:52:23.89\00:52:27.06
funny back, for years,
literally years, I would be
00:52:27.10\00:52:29.94
funny now and then but
it was all about the drugs.
00:52:29.97\00:52:32.78
- now I got my
funny back, I like that.
00:52:32.82\00:52:35.75
I love it, there's
other things to do,
00:52:35.78\00:52:38.68
there is more than just drugs.
00:52:38.72\00:52:40.44
As you were starting to
recover, what was interesting
00:52:40.48\00:52:43.40
was your whole eyes
changed and they lit up.
00:52:43.44\00:52:48.77
You focus more
and all that stuff.
00:52:48.81\00:52:51.17
It is fun to watch that,
it's okay, it's happening.
00:52:51.20\00:52:54.09
- I'm a pretty good
actor, I would go places after
00:52:54.12\00:52:57.28
a night of drugging and
I will put on a show, but
00:52:57.31\00:53:00.32
I was miserable inside
and around people you try
00:53:00.35\00:53:03.07
to make yourself put on
that show because you don't
00:53:03.10\00:53:05.79
want them to know, you
don't want them to know
00:53:05.82\00:53:07.40
you are using again
or anything like that.
00:53:07.44\00:53:08.95
But you don't have to do
that anymore, it's great.
00:53:08.98\00:53:11.95
Those people watching
give it to the Lord and
00:53:11.98\00:53:14.23
He will take care of
it and life is great.
00:53:14.27\00:53:16.62
That's amazing, you
don't have to earn it,
00:53:16.66\00:53:18.98
He just does it.
00:53:19.01\00:53:19.98
No, not at all. You'll
find so much more to do than
00:53:19.99\00:53:23.40
just sitting around trying
to figure out where are am
00:53:23.43\00:53:26.89
I going to get my next high?
00:53:26.93\00:53:27.92
Where can I get the
money for these drugs?
00:53:27.96\00:53:29.70
Everything you said, you
hit it right on the head and
00:53:29.73\00:53:31.86
it is real, and that is
what the people need to hear.
00:53:31.90\00:53:33.99
Don't sugarcoat
it, that is how it is.
00:53:34.03\00:53:35.98
Someone is watching and
going through it right now
00:53:36.01\00:53:37.74
and that is going to
affect them to let them know
00:53:37.77\00:53:39.47
that hey, I can get past this.
00:53:39.50\00:53:41.30
This guy has done it.
00:53:41.33\00:53:42.31
And you actually
get your brain back.
00:53:42.35\00:53:44.02
Yeah! Exactly what
little I had to begin with,
00:53:44.06\00:53:47.39
it's functioning at full
capacity now. It's great!
00:53:47.43\00:53:50.65
It's not so much that
you do it, it is that He does
00:53:50.68\00:53:54.35
it with in you, He is
holy within you, He is strong
00:53:54.38\00:53:58.02
within you, and it
feels so natural and
00:53:58.05\00:54:01.47
spontaneous because
He's doing it within you.
00:54:01.51\00:54:03.58
Yeah, exactly and
when He does it for you,
00:54:03.61\00:54:05.34
you have to give it
back to somebody else.
00:54:05.38\00:54:07.44
I just want to say
it has been a blast.
00:54:07.48\00:54:09.28
We are going to
have you on another show,
00:54:09.31\00:54:11.07
you have so
much more to tell us.
00:54:11.11\00:54:14.18
You have written a
number of books, and there are
00:54:14.21\00:54:16.27
CDs out if anybody
wants to be educated on this.
00:54:16.30\00:54:18.32
Make sure you call
3ABN and definitely,
00:54:18.36\00:54:20.75
you have to be on
another show, alright?
00:54:20.79\00:54:23.15
We have looked at
a number of things.
00:54:24.85\00:54:27.68
Addiction is never an
easy subject to look at,
00:54:27.72\00:54:30.35
especially when you
look at everything it does.
00:54:30.38\00:54:32.94
One of the things I love,
what makes it easy for me,
00:54:32.98\00:54:35.90
I know that we have a God
that is a God of restoration.
00:54:35.94\00:54:39.63
Like Mary was saying,
every single thing you damage,
00:54:39.66\00:54:43.32
your brain and
your body is amazing,
00:54:43.36\00:54:47.55
it will start to working again,
00:54:47.59\00:54:49.86
it doesn't happen
overnight but it will happen.
00:54:49.89\00:54:52.42
Stay with us, we are
going to be right back!
00:54:52.45\00:54:54.95
Stay with us.
00:54:54.98\00:54:55.95
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I hope you heard this,
and I hope you heard the
00:55:42.68\00:55:45.70
whole thing and I'm
going to ask Mary do you have
00:55:45.74\00:55:48.16
any closing thoughts,
something you want them
00:55:48.19\00:55:50.57
to walk away with?
00:55:50.61\00:55:51.96
I think people need to
walk away understanding that
00:55:52.00\00:55:54.64
there is hope, that even
with the devastating brain
00:55:54.67\00:55:57.28
damage associated
with methamphetamines
00:55:57.32\00:55:59.43
there is recovery.
00:55:59.46\00:56:00.70
The Lord Jesus Christ restores
with the locus has eaten.
00:56:00.74\00:56:05.05
He brings back memory, He
brings back temper, to be able
00:56:05.08\00:56:09.36
to control your
temper, start laughing and
00:56:09.40\00:56:11.18
cutting up again
and enjoying life.
00:56:11.22\00:56:12.72
You will regain 90% or
more than that of what you lost
00:56:12.75\00:56:18.23
to methamphetamine, the
vast majority comes back.
00:56:18.27\00:56:22.12
It comes back very
slowly, but once you start,
00:56:22.15\00:56:24.99
you will have bad
days and sometimes the bad
00:56:25.03\00:56:27.80
days outnumber the good days,
but over time you will heal.
00:56:27.83\00:56:31.51
You heal not just in your
brain, you heal in your heart.
00:56:31.55\00:56:35.19
What I love about that
is that you are saying,
00:56:35.23\00:56:38.78
don't expect, we talked
about this on another show,
00:56:38.82\00:56:41.76
don't expect things
to happen overnight.
00:56:41.79\00:56:43.53
If you are with
somebody that you love,
00:56:43.56\00:56:45.26
if you're working with somebody,
00:56:45.30\00:56:46.62
if you have brother,
sister, husband, wife that
00:56:46.65\00:56:48.75
has addictions, I
don't care if it's just meth.
00:56:48.78\00:56:50.99
Meth is a serious
one, but were talking all
00:56:51.03\00:56:53.61
addictions, drugs,
alcohol, sex, gambling and
00:56:53.64\00:56:56.10
all that stuff does the
same thing in our brain.
00:56:56.14\00:56:59.28
Make sure that you
know that things take time
00:56:59.32\00:57:02.43
and give yourself time.
00:57:02.46\00:57:03.89
What I did in my own
recovery, in between trying to
00:57:03.92\00:57:08.66
work on stuff and learn new
things, I tried to have fun.
00:57:08.69\00:57:11.70
Go to the beach, take a
walk, get out in nature.
00:57:11.74\00:57:14.86
I believe there is an
inspired writer that says when
00:57:14.90\00:57:17.99
you are out in
nature and walking around,
00:57:18.02\00:57:19.80
the Angels will minister to you.
00:57:19.84\00:57:22.05
I don't know if that's
true but I love the thought.
00:57:22.08\00:57:24.90
Go out and look at how
God created things around you.
00:57:24.94\00:57:27.99
Take some breaths, deep
breaths because a lot of times
00:57:28.02\00:57:31.04
in our addictions
we forget to breathe.
00:57:31.07\00:57:32.70
We forget to let the sun
hit our skin and bring in
00:57:32.73\00:57:36.50
some vitamin D and
those kind of things.
00:57:36.53\00:57:38.25
All that is important,
eat good stuff, good stuff.
00:57:38.28\00:57:41.36
Put the snickers down, if
you're starting to bite in
00:57:41.39\00:57:44.43
it now put it down,
get a glass of water,
00:57:44.47\00:57:46.97
get an apple, get an
orange, get something good.
00:57:47.00\00:57:49.12
Your body needs to be fed.
00:57:49.15\00:57:50.90
When you decide to
make a commitment to either
00:57:50.94\00:57:55.04
somebody you love or to
your own addiction, God steps
00:57:55.07\00:57:58.69
in and wow's you, absolutely
wow's you because the steps
00:57:58.72\00:58:02.30
I took my own
recovery, He wowed me.
00:58:02.34\00:58:05.08
All of a sudden I
feel like I have more than
00:58:05.11\00:58:07.15
two brains cells and
it's all because I have a God
00:58:07.18\00:58:09.35
that is crazy about me.
00:58:09.38\00:58:10.59
And remember that
God is so crazy about you
00:58:10.62\00:58:13.93
and we are too.
00:58:13.96\00:58:15.27
So we will see you next
time, make sure you come back
00:58:15.30\00:58:17.94
and make sure until then
you take care of yourself,
00:58:17.98\00:58:20.84
every part of yourself,
get outside and talk to God.
00:58:20.87\00:58:23.70
Bye!
00:58:23.73\00:58:25.41