Welcome to Celebrating Life
in Recovery, my name is Cheri,
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your host and today were
going to look at what happens
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when the addictions and
the recovery is generational,
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not just individual
stuff but generational.
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Come and join us!
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You know I love the way
God works with us in recovery,
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I love the fact that
every single thing about me,
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He stepped in.
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He saw my twisted thinking,
my belief systems about who
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I was, that I wasn't worth
anything and all that stuff.
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He literally stepped in
and taught me that I just could
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do recovery and was
worth everything to Him and
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He would guide me.
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If I was confused about
something, I could pray that the
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Holy Spirit teach me.
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Within, I felt like
minutes and sometimes it
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wasn't minutes, sometimes
it was weeks, sometimes it was
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months but it just felt like
in no time somebody would be
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right in front of me and
they were telling the very thing
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that God was trying to teach me.
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The Holy Spirit would be
like, you know what, listen up.
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I'm thinking this person
has no idea that they are being
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used by God, has no idea.
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It was exciting to me,
so as I got into recovery
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I started relying on God
and then thought, I wonder if
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I could be involved in ministry?
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I'm like shut up,
how fun would that be?
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The first time someone
called me, it was interesting,
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they called me from Alaska.
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They say is this
Cheri Peters? I'm like yes.
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They say would you come and
speak at our church in Alaska?
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I'm like, get
out, how fun is that?
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I got so excited because I
didn't even think that this
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would really happen.
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I know I was praying for
ministry, but I didn't think
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that God would let someone like
me, a drug addict and homeless,
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and all that
stuff be in ministry.
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Then I'm listening to
this call and thinking,
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yeah I would come.
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They said how much do you
charge, and when they said that
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I wanted to put my hand
over the phone and just man not
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only do I get to work for
God, but some is going to pay
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me, how fun is that?
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So I got back on the
phone and said a hundred bucks.
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They were like, how
much do you speak for $100?
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I think it I never shut
up, you can just put me up in
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front and I will talk whatever.
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Because if you want me to
talk about God I truly never
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shut up and so they had me
do 16 presentations in four
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days, I was so exhausted.
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16 presentations in
four days, in Alaska.
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Alaska is a big place so
you are not just driving down
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the street to another
church, you are getting in small
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planes going from
place to place to place.
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At 1 point I landed up in
Dillingham Alaska and this guy
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picked me up, and he was
like a million years old.
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Had on this old Marine
hat and put me a little boat.
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Took me across the
water to Aleknagik Alaska and
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I'm thinking, I'm like
thinking I'm this missionary.
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I'm in the wilderness and
I was just having a blast.
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But when I got to this place
I realize that in Aleknagik
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there was a lot
of drugs and alcohol.
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There was a lot of molest,
a lot of abuses that were so
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intense and all of a sudden
where I was looking at this
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as having fun
and Nah-Nah-Nah-Nah.
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God was really going
to do something here.
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And I met this
little girl, a little girl.
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She looked 9 to me, and
she came up and held me.
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Alaska is funny
because they do this one thing.
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I'm wondering if I
could demonstrate with Teresa?
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Come up here for a minute.
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They do this one thing
in Alaska that is really
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interesting, is when they
want to talk about their issues,
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they will come up and say
you know what I've had a hard
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life and my husband,
well even before then.
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You know when I was
little, and they will hold you
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until they are done talking.
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They could talk to you for
15 minute to 20 minutes and
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they will hold you,
and I have space issues.
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I'm thinking, can you
tell me from your seat?
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They are like, well you know
and they just hold you again.
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Thank you Teresa.
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What was really funny was
they were just holding you.
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I remember just thinking
at first, when that first
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happened to me, I'm
thinking I'm just going to die.
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My palms are sweating, I'm
not sure how to act, and I am
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hearing their whole
story and it is interesting,
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but I have space issues.
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Anyhow I meet this
little girl, she looks tiny,
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she is actually 12 but looks 9.
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She comes walking up to
me, after I had told my story,
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and I know she is
going to hold me, right?
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So I kneel down for her to
do that because she is so tiny.
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So I kneel down and she
comes up and holds me and says,
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Cheri my life
is just like yours.
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I'm thinking, no way.
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I was molested since
that was three months old.
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I was with addicts growing up.
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I had people that didn't
know how to raise kids because
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of the damage in their life.
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If you know what I mean?
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I was on the streets by
the age of 12, 13 years old.
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I have been abused in ways
I can even share with people
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and this beautiful little
child is telling me her life was
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like mine, and I'm
thinking there's no way.
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I remember as she was talking,
she said someone gave me
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your book, 'The
Miracle from the Streets' book?
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And she said yes.
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It was the guy that was
the thousand years old guy,
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that picked me up, it was
his ministry, in that place,
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so he gives her a book.
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She said while I was reading
it, I was praying that God would
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let me meet
someone like you someday.
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I thought oh, we have a
God that says you know what,
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if you pray I will
move heaven and earth.
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It wasn't anything about
me, if would have been something
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else and she would have
read about someone else,
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I think God would have brought
that person, because it is
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not about us, it's
about God and this child.
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Somebody needed to tell this
child, I know that you are in
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a place right now that your
life may not feel like it is
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in control, you may not feel
like God is paying attention.
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But God knows exactly where
you are in Aleknagik Alaska.
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This tiny little place.
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The next time I get
called from a person that has a
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ministry that they are
doing on an Indian reservation.
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They were looking for
some consult and doing drug and
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alcohol stuff and she says,
would we come in and speak?
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I was working with a woman
that had just buried her son
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from a meth overdose and
she was going to come with me.
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We were going to do some stuff
on fetal alcohol syndrome and
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we were going to do some
things on healing and recovery.
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I get there, I
don't know what to expect.
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I had never been
on a reservation,
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and I don't even
know what that meant.
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The first time somebody
said that they are not even part
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of the United States.
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I'm like shut up
what does that mean?
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This is their own country,
so I'm in their country?
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And then I am in our country?
Do you know what I mean?
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I'm thinking how fun is that.
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So I'm excited to learn
what I don't know and I get to
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this reservation and I
meet the coolest folks ever.
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The coolest folks ever to
have had a history that is
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beyond what I
can even understand,
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even though I would love to.
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I think I'm still
limited, but we do a seminar.
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I meet a woman named
Jesse, I met a ton of folks.
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We got adopted and it was fun.
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I met Brian
Cladoospy at the school.
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Let me introduce you to
those in the café before
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I go on with this story.
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Brian Cladoospy we are
going to hear your story today.
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I am so thrilled that you
are here, absolutely thrilled.
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Teresa, you already let
me just hug all over you.
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So thank you for that.
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Heather, we have
Shawn, and Amy and Anthony.
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Thank you for coming, and I
really want to say thank you
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for coming and you are
going to be so blessed today.
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What Brian is going to
share with us will change how we
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view other cultures, and
definitely give us understanding
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that we are all
fighting the same battles.
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It is amazing to me.
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So I met Brian and Nina
your wife and your children,
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and your father, Who
did the smoked salmon?
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My dad. Your dad, oh man,
we came in and the food was
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amazing, the
company was amazing.
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His dad has a
smokehouse that he does salmon.
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I know if you are a
vegetarian vegan you won't even
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understand this ever in
your life, but it was amazing.
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I take some home to my husband,
my husband says I'm going to
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visit that guy
because it was amazing.
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We had a great time.
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That year I met a
woman named Jesse also.
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Jesse had just lost her
son, 16 years old in a car
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accident and drug
and alcohol was involved.
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I could tell, just devastated
and then I find out that
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the losses with all age
groups, alcoholism and drugs
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and driving the
losses are tremendous.
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I ended up coming back the
next year, I would love to go
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every year for the rest
of my life, I was blessed.
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In fact, I would
just love to move there.
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Anyhow, the next you're a
comeback and meet Jesse again.
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At the end of the
seminar we did that time,
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I was exhausted and
we have been speaking.
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Chris Chapman was with me,
which the woman who had just
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lost her son, and we had
two other young folks with us.
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We were exhausted, but we
were leaving their to go speak
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at Walla Walla which is a
college and we were going to do
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chapel and knew we
had enough time to get to
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Walla Walla and do chapel.
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It was a lot more than that,
so we were saying we needed
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them to go and Nah-Nah-Nah-Nah
and Jesse came up to me and
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said that her second son,
her living son is in rehab.
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Would you go visit him?
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I'm thinking, oh, we
have to get to Walla-Walla and
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I have this gig and
I'm looking at this mother.
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I know this thing she has
gone through and my heart,
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I have already made connections
with her and I love her.
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I know I can't go
visit her son because
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we don't have time.
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So I try to say that in
a nice way and I feel sad.
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She feels sad so I walk
away and go to the bathroom.
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And the Holy
Spirit says, shame on you.
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You get out there
and go visit her son.
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I just felt like, I usually
don't feel like God spanks me,
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I felt like I was spanked.
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You go out there and tell
her the commitments that you
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have and let her make the
decision on whether you go
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to Walla-Walla right
now or visit her son.
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So I told her the whole
thing, I said that it is up to
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you, what should I do?
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What do you think she
said? Go visit my son!
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So I'm thinking, let's
get some folks and Brian,
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I asked you and Nina and
some other council members.
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Jesse and her
husband and I think there was
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11 or 12 of us.
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We get there and I realized
when were getting to the
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hospital that it is a
locked psychiatric unit.
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Stop, it's not visiting hours.
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We have no
permission to go in there.
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Nobody knows us, so
I am thinking oh man,
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so we have to pray like crazy.
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We have Chris Chapman and
this whole group of folks and
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we are praying like crazy.
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God You have to do something,
You have to do something.
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So we prayed, let's just go in.
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We go in and
when Brian comes up,
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I want him to verify this.
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We go in, there is a guy
at the desk and he is writing
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something, and he is
supposed to check people in.
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He is writing something and
not paying attention, 12 of us
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walk in, he never looks up,
not one time did he look up.
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So Brian says, maybe
we are just invisible.
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And he doesn't look
up, and I'm thinking,
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how funny is this?
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Were trying to figure
out what we do now because
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we probably
should say hey buddy.
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He is alive, he has his
eyes open and his breathing and
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writing something down, but
it is as if we were invisible.
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So we just walked by, we
walked by and go to the elevator
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and we are in this locked
down psychiatric unit now.
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We are up at the nurses station.
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This is the funniest thing
to me, because they look at you
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like, there is not just
one or two of us at the nurses
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station, there is all of us.
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It's like, can I help
you? Who sent you here?
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If you want to have fun
just say this in a psychiatric
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unit, God! and they
are like are you nuts?
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Are you so nuts? I'm
going to talk to my supervisor.
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The supervisor was a Christian
woman who not only let us
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come in, but she let
us have our own room.
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She let us have some video
stuff so we could show a little
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PSA and what was
amazing is that we went and
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talked to Jesse's son.
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I'm going to let Brian tell
you the rest of the story when
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he comes up, but we
talked to Jesse's son.
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We ministered to him and
Brian, being the tribal leader,
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got to pray for
him and bless him.
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In a lot of places, you
don't realize when a man of God
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comes in and prays
over somebody, it's huge.
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I watch that with Brian,
when Brian Blessed him I could
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watch and know what
that meant to this boy.
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It was amazing.
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Now I have to
back up, stay with me.
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Back up, I was at 3ABN
right before that and Danny said
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to me, Cheri
would you go to Russia?
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I'm thinking,
yes how fun is that?
00:14:08.23\00:14:12.95
I'm thinking how fun is
that! I would love to go.
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So I get home and I tell my
husband, I'm going to Russia.
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To do ministry, and
he was like where at?
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Um, well I forgot to ask.
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My husband was like
what! You forgot to ask!
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When are you
going? I forgot to ask.
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I'll find out though, so
I called back and I said,
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Danny, when are
you going to Russia?
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He said, no not us, your team!
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I didn't have a heart to
tell them I didn't have a team.
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I said okay thank you
very much and I hung up.
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I'm thinking oh man, so I
so believe in God, I so trust
00:14:52.13\00:14:56.30
Him, I so trust the Holy
Spirit and if you ever want to
00:14:56.34\00:14:59.75
honestly get into recovery
you have to get to the place
00:14:59.78\00:15:03.16
where you so trust Him.
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So I said, God, You
bring the team together,
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light them up because when
I travel I want ahead light to
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be on them so we know who it is.
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So now when were back at
the psychiatric unit and we are
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doing all that stuff and
getting ready to leave, Brian
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says to me, while, does
this happen to you every place
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you go, because it was
absolutely a miracle to watch
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the healing, to watch us get
in, to watch God open all the
00:15:28.13\00:15:31.27
doors, and I
said you know it does.
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He said, some day I'd like
to go somewhere with you then.
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How about Russia? He
looked at me like, what?
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I said well, and Bryant ended
up going to Russia with us.
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So I'm going to show you a
PSA that happened in Russia.
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Then I'm going to end this
story and let you meet Brian,
00:15:48.38\00:15:51.20
because he is
amazing. He is just delightful.
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So I'm going to show you
this PSA, we did this PSA when
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we were in Russia because
we went there for six weeks
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to work with heroine addicts.
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As God open doors, I'm
amazed at one door that opens,
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and then another door
opens and another door opens.
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Every single time a door
opens, every single time you
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reach out and do ministry,
every single time you are a
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part of allowing someone
else to heal because you are
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bringing them to a place
where God can work with them.
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You heal your self.
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I'm going to show you some
film that we shot in Russia.
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Then we will take a
break and come back and
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I will introduce you to
Brian Cladoospy. Stay with us!
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The quick spreading of drugs
around the world didn't bypass
00:16:33.11\00:16:36.79
Russia, according to
different sources 3 to 8 million
00:16:36.82\00:16:41.72
people in Russia
are on drugs now.
00:16:41.75\00:16:44.52
Every day on the news
there are reports about
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young people who have
died over drug overdose.
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For 18 nights 3ABN
Russian Evangelistic Center held
00:16:51.78\00:16:56.67
meetings for people with
various kinds of addictions.
00:16:56.70\00:17:01.05
People were struck by the
honesty and openness of Cheri
00:17:01.09\00:17:05.16
and her friends as they
told the stories of their lives.
00:17:05.20\00:17:10.12
Only Heaven will know how
many people made their first
00:17:10.16\00:17:15.04
step toward recovery
during these meetings.
00:17:15.08\00:17:18.35
The visit of Cheri and
her friends shows the Russian
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people again, how much God
loves and cares for Russia.
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No one, not even a
drug addict or alcoholic
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is forgotten by God.
00:17:31.66\00:17:34.04
Think you've seen
it all? Think again.
00:17:34.08\00:17:38.82
Cheri Peters is back
for a second season of
00:17:38.85\00:17:42.50
Celebrating Life In
Recovery with more lives
00:17:42.54\00:17:46.16
more stories and more miracles.
00:17:46.19\00:17:48.91
Watch the shocking,
inspiring, and the incredible.
00:17:48.94\00:17:53.08
Check your local
listings to find out when
00:17:53.11\00:17:55.58
Celebrating Life In
Recovery comes to you and get
00:17:55.61\00:17:59.13
ready for another dose
of reality, Cheri style.
00:17:59.16\00:18:02.64
What is really fun
about the video you just saw,
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or some of the film you
just saw, is that while we were
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there we had
heroine addicts come in.
00:18:24.31\00:18:27.09
We had homeless folks
coming up and I want to talk
00:18:27.13\00:18:30.30
a little bit about that,
but isn't that true about the
00:18:30.34\00:18:33.48
psychiatric unit? It sure is.
00:18:33.51\00:18:35.49
It was a blast and I think
that was like the first time
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I really,
really got to meet you.
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Going there and praying with
Sonny turned around his life.
00:18:39.91\00:18:44.09
He said to say hi, it was
about seven years ago now and he
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is married, got a little
baby boy. - And is he clean?
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He is clean and sober
and has been ever since.
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Yes, I did say that,
I think we're invisible.
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It was crazy stuff. - and
the nurse when we got up there
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was like how did
you people get up here?
00:19:02.49\00:19:03.99
It was just amazing, but when
we left there and get out in
00:19:04.03\00:19:06.96
the parking lot, you
say Brian, by the way,
00:19:06.99\00:19:09.75
do you want to go to Russia?
00:19:09.78\00:19:11.31
You don't remember
this, but the first thing
00:19:11.35\00:19:13.09
I said was, no!
That was my response.
00:19:13.13\00:19:16.00
I just didn't
want to hear it though.
00:19:16.04\00:19:18.84
But I said no, and of
course Nina is saying,
00:19:18.87\00:19:21.62
you half to go, you half
to go and I'm like no way
00:19:21.65\00:19:24.57
I am not going to Russia.
00:19:24.61\00:19:25.75
But once again,
a Holy Spirit says,
00:19:25.79\00:19:27.72
you're going to Russia.
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I want to talk about the
Holy Spirit saying that to you.
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Tell us who you are, what is
your role in the tribe, and how
00:19:32.87\00:19:38.63
did you become a Christian?
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That surprised me
when I found that out.
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Well growing up I got a
chance to do a little bit of the
00:19:41.82\00:19:45.55
Pentecostal church, I had
grown up next to a Catholic
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church so I got to do catechism
with the priest and the
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nuns, and then the Jehovah
witnesses, they came around for
00:19:53.27\00:19:57.12
awhile and then the
Mormons came around.
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So you were all
of those? Yeah, sure.
00:19:59.84\00:20:02.41
Plus we had a traditional
religion called Seon and we have
00:20:02.45\00:20:05.63
a native religion called
the Shaker church and so my
00:20:05.67\00:20:09.83
grandma and grandpa
were really strong in the
00:20:09.86\00:20:12.15
Shaker church, so
growing up I got a little bit.
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By eight years old I had
two brothers that were teenagers
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in the 60s, so if anybody
grew up in the 60s and remember.
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So I had two teenage brothers
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- I heard if you remember
you really didn't grow up.
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So I had two teenage brothers
had alcohol was prevalent in
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our life, my great-grandfather
was an alcoholic.
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My grandfather was an alcoholic,
my father and my mother
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were alcoholics, so alcohol
was just around the house.
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They thought it would be
cool to see an eight-year-old
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drunk, so they got me drunk
when I was eight years old.
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Growing up in that
lifestyle was pretty tough.
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By the time you are
12 you your basketball
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coach has a whole team
in the locker room that gets
00:20:53.63\00:20:56.17
you stone on marijuana at 12.
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Ah, we won the
championship that year.
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So this is really
not a joke? - not a joke.
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In the locker room at 12
years old smoking marijuana.
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Two years later my cousin
gave me window pane, some of you
00:21:07.18\00:21:11.27
know that as acid, LSD.
00:21:11.31\00:21:13.45
That was the
scariest thing I ever did,
00:21:13.49\00:21:15.71
and never did it again.
00:21:15.75\00:21:16.97
At 16 your Christmas
present was a half gallon BV or
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Black Velvet whiskey and so
it is only through the grace
00:21:20.88\00:21:24.68
of God that I am here today.
00:21:24.72\00:21:26.39
So your addiction, growing
up, was pretty intense then?
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- Very intense. -
you partied a lot?
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All the time. My 8th grade
picture, from the eighth-grade
00:21:33.60\00:21:37.61
party, was me and my friend
holding a 16 ounce bottle of
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Lucky Logger, eighth grade.
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That was
eighth-grade graduation.
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So it's through the grace of
God that I am here today with
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you, but growing up.
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- some are your
friends aren't here?
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Yes, I've got 20 friends
my age group, that I grew up
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with, that are buried and
dead right now because of the
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drugs, alcohol and suicide.
00:22:01.65\00:22:03.81
That is only the
friends on my reservation.
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I grew up on an Indian
reservation, born there, raised
00:22:07.29\00:22:10.99
there, if the Lord doesn't
come back by the time I die,
00:22:11.02\00:22:14.69
they will bury me there.
00:22:14.73\00:22:16.16
Right now the statistics are
20% of the kids under 12 have
00:22:16.19\00:22:20.99
already used drugs and
alcohol in Indian country.
00:22:21.03\00:22:24.89
Sometimes there's a 92%
addiction among the tribes.
00:22:24.92\00:22:28.15
- yes, yes it is
really sad, it's really sad.
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So fortunately I found a
very, very, God sent me a very
00:22:31.38\00:22:38.30
beautiful lady
and her name is Nina.
00:22:38.34\00:22:40.23
- she is
beautiful. - she is awesome.
00:22:40.26\00:22:42.12
So we'll just say hi Nina.
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We will be celebrating our
30th wedding anniversary coming
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up this March. -
Was she a Christian?
00:22:47.41\00:22:49.91
- No, she was in the
same road I grew up in.
00:22:49.95\00:22:53.80
- partying? - partying
and sharing alcohol with the
00:22:53.83\00:22:59.07
dad and the uncles.
00:22:59.10\00:23:01.37
About 1985 her brother, they
had built an Adventist church
00:23:04.83\00:23:11.33
on the Leame
reservation where she was from.
00:23:11.37\00:23:13.16
So her brother invited
her to go to that church and
00:23:13.19\00:23:16.25
she went, I didn't.
00:23:16.29\00:23:18.22
She finally got me to go,
her grandmother was a strong
00:23:18.25\00:23:21.39
Adventist, so that was a strong.
00:23:21.42\00:23:23.07
- she tricked you didn't she?
00:23:23.10\00:23:24.68
Ah, I was a little reluctant
Christian in this family,
00:23:24.71\00:23:28.69
but I love her so
much I said okay I will go.
00:23:28.73\00:23:31.92
I was just playing a Christian
early on, it wasn't real.
00:23:31.96\00:23:38.10
Not for me, but we decided
that the partying and fighting,
00:23:38.14\00:23:44.25
partying and fighting
wasn't working so we decided to
00:23:44.28\00:23:47.61
bring God into our lives.
00:23:47.65\00:23:49.26
We went to, of course, the
different churches that I grew
00:23:49.29\00:23:52.41
up in and they
just didn't work for me.
00:23:52.45\00:23:54.32
She said well let's go
to the Adventist church and
00:23:54.36\00:23:56.32
so we did and have
been there ever since.
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What I do now is, I'm
the leader of my tribe.
00:23:59.80\00:24:03.14
So how did that happen? Coming
from this partying to when
00:24:03.17\00:24:05.72
you got into religion which
probably cleaned everything up
00:24:05.76\00:24:08.28
and then
decided to make changes.
00:24:08.31\00:24:10.85
How did you get into
being the leader of the tribe?
00:24:10.88\00:24:13.18
When I was 24 I decided I
wanted to try tribal politics.
00:24:13.22\00:24:17.44
What so that was 24 years ago.
00:24:17.48\00:24:19.84
My head is going
like,... I finally caught up.
00:24:19.87\00:24:25.48
Okay, so I decided to
get it to tribal politics,
00:24:25.52\00:24:29.41
but I wasn't clean and
sober at that time at 24,
00:24:29.45\00:24:33.31
I was still going
through my roaring 20s.
00:24:33.35\00:24:35.09
It wasn't until about four
years later that I cleaned my
00:24:35.13\00:24:41.00
life up and about my 12 year
in tribal politics my cousin
00:24:41.03\00:24:45.38
told me he was going to
throw my name in for the tribal
00:24:45.41\00:24:49.72
chairman, which is
the leader of the tribe.
00:24:49.76\00:24:51.54
That was 11 years ago
now, my math might be wrong,
00:24:51.57\00:24:55.62
yeah, this is the 11th year
of being leader of the tribe.
00:24:55.66\00:24:57.75
It is an elected position,
we serve five-year terms
00:24:57.78\00:25:00.54
and I as the
chairman, serve year to year and
00:25:00.58\00:25:03.89
it's the greatest job.
00:25:03.93\00:25:05.35
It's so awesome.
00:25:05.39\00:25:07.32
Because you can really
step in and make a difference?
00:25:07.35\00:25:11.98
- Make a big difference,
yes. - which is huge!
00:25:12.01\00:25:15.09
Which is huge! - even
what I didn't realize that even
00:25:15.13\00:25:18.52
with how the reservation is
looked up as far as Washington
00:25:18.55\00:25:23.66
DC, and legislatively and
all that, is that you make a
00:25:23.69\00:25:28.76
difference on every level.
00:25:28.79\00:25:30.47
Yes, yes, I interact with
mayors, local mayors with county
00:25:30.50\00:25:34.82
commissioners, with US
senators, with state senators
00:25:34.85\00:25:39.03
and Congressman, with governors.
00:25:39.07\00:25:41.74
The governor of Washington
now and I are really, really
00:25:41.78\00:25:44.91
good friends and
politics is good.
00:25:44.94\00:25:47.71
My job right now is to try
to make the lives of my tribal
00:25:47.75\00:25:52.52
members better, and we have
a belief that you have to look
00:25:52.55\00:25:56.63
out for the seventh generation
that we don't inherit this
00:25:56.67\00:26:00.86
land from our ancestors, we
borrow it from our children.
00:26:00.89\00:26:05.05
- that is an
incredible point of view.
00:26:05.09\00:26:07.83
Yes it is, it is not we
are here and we have to use up
00:26:07.86\00:26:12.57
every natural resource
we can while we are here,
00:26:12.61\00:26:14.84
so forget about what
the next generation has.
00:26:14.87\00:26:17.26
Our belief is that we
have two make sure the next
00:26:17.29\00:26:19.59
generation, the seventh
generation down the road,
00:26:19.63\00:26:22.05
has just as much or more
than what we've are given
00:26:22.09\00:26:24.48
when we were here.
00:26:24.51\00:26:25.85
I saw, somebody shared with
me when we were at Black Hills.
00:26:25.89\00:26:29.81
I can't remember what tribe
it was, but they shared with
00:26:29.84\00:26:32.64
me a film about the
seventh generation and trying to
00:26:32.68\00:26:35.41
explain that, but they also
talked about this generation,
00:26:35.44\00:26:38.80
from the Trail of tears,
and that people are making
00:26:38.84\00:26:42.30
commitments coming out of
drugs and alcohol and really
00:26:42.33\00:26:45.76
trying, let's get away
from all this damage and
00:26:45.79\00:26:50.52
stand up for who
we are as a people.
00:26:50.55\00:26:53.90
When you think about
it, about the Irish culture,
00:26:53.94\00:26:56.66
or the German culture, or
the French culture, alcohol has
00:26:56.70\00:27:00.82
been a part of their
lifestyle for centuries.
00:27:00.86\00:27:04.58
When you think about my
tribe, alcohol was introduced
00:27:04.62\00:27:08.03
about 150 years ago, so
that is not very long to have
00:27:08.06\00:27:11.44
alcohol part of your culture.
00:27:11.47\00:27:13.62
So we haven't been able
to adapt as well as the other
00:27:13.66\00:27:16.43
cultures, and I don't
think they've been able to adapt
00:27:16.47\00:27:19.99
either, but for some
reason the alcoholism rate in
00:27:20.02\00:27:23.47
Indian country is a way,
way higher than any other part
00:27:23.51\00:27:26.44
of the US cultures.
00:27:26.47\00:27:28.95
One statistic you don't
hear though, is that there are
00:27:28.98\00:27:32.39
more non-alcoholics in Indian
country than any other parts,
00:27:32.43\00:27:35.86
so on the reservation
you are either alcoholic
00:27:35.90\00:27:39.26
or you are a
non-alcoholic like myself.
00:27:39.30\00:27:42.46
I have been clean and
sober for 18 years now.
00:27:42.49\00:27:45.22
So there is not too
many social drinkers in
00:27:45.26\00:27:48.08
Indian country. -
You do it or you don't.
00:27:48.11\00:27:50.86
Yes, yes exactly and we
are seeing more and more of our
00:27:50.90\00:27:53.63
tribal members getting
away from drugs and alcohol.
00:27:53.66\00:27:57.24
It all relates to your
mental, your physical and your
00:27:57.27\00:28:01.88
spiritual health and
poverty is a big thing in Indian
00:28:01.91\00:28:06.56
country, the uneducated
workforce is a big thing in
00:28:06.59\00:28:09.84
Indian country so we
are trying to reverse that.
00:28:09.87\00:28:13.05
The Swinomish tribe, either
way that's the tribe I'm from.
00:28:13.09\00:28:16.12
The Swinomish tribe. -
well let's get back to Russia,
00:28:16.15\00:28:20.37
we'll go back to Russia
and then come back. - okay!
00:28:20.40\00:28:24.55
when we were in Russia, one
thing that was amazing to me,
00:28:24.58\00:28:27.48
as you shared where you
are from, because you came in
00:28:27.51\00:28:31.42
as a leader of your tribe,
and your nation or council.
00:28:31.46\00:28:35.88
You came in with this incredible
message of who God is.
00:28:35.92\00:28:39.55
And that really our battle
is bigger than our politics.
00:28:39.59\00:28:42.56
Even our politics are as
important as Christian the
00:28:42.60\00:28:45.25
battle is bigger, and
this is a nation in Russia
00:28:45.29\00:28:47.90
that had just
politically fallen.
00:28:47.94\00:28:50.17
If you remember when we
were going over to Russia,
00:28:50.21\00:28:54.34
my part of the program
was to talk about doctrine and
00:28:54.37\00:28:57.27
Scripture and things like
that and when we get there
00:28:57.31\00:29:00.17
that gets thrown out the window.
00:29:00.21\00:29:02.43
They say no we don' want
this, we don't want a seminar.
00:29:02.47\00:29:05.21
They were serious about that.
00:29:05.25\00:29:06.39
They don't want a seminar,
we don't want you to just
00:29:06.43\00:29:08.27
get up there, we want
to hear your life story.
00:29:08.30\00:29:11.25
We want to hear that
there is hope how we can get
00:29:11.28\00:29:13.71
away from drugs. - Yes
you tell us your life story
00:29:13.75\00:29:16.14
and things that have
happened to you related
00:29:16.18\00:29:19.02
to drugs and alcohol.
00:29:19.06\00:29:20.95
So the first day there we
had to rewrite our script on
00:29:20.98\00:29:24.22
everything that we had to
do over the next 4 to 6 weeks.
00:29:24.26\00:29:28.12
But when you think about
drugs and alcohol its universal.
00:29:28.15\00:29:32.26
It's not just the thing in
Indian culture, or the white
00:29:32.29\00:29:35.60
culture, or the Russian,
or the Irish, its universal.
00:29:35.64\00:29:39.17
Satan has weaved so many
lies around drugs and alcohol
00:29:39.21\00:29:42.71
then it is sad to
see the effects of it.
00:29:42.74\00:29:45.14
I remember when we first
got there and people started
00:29:45.18\00:29:48.73
bringing in their
children strung out on heroin.
00:29:48.76\00:29:51.14
So in Russia there was a
lot of alcoholism with the older
00:29:51.18\00:29:55.90
generation but this generation
between 15 to 20 to 25,
00:29:55.94\00:30:00.63
they were strung out on heroin.
00:30:00.67\00:30:02.80
With HIV, with tuberculosis
and all that stuff, and that
00:30:02.83\00:30:06.10
surprised me as
they started to arrive.
00:30:06.13\00:30:08.20
Yes, when you think about our
society, we went through drug
00:30:08.24\00:30:11.41
revolution in the 60s, Russia
was just starting to do that
00:30:11.45\00:30:14.59
in the late 90s and early 2000.
00:30:14.62\00:30:18.29
So they are starting to
see what we seen in the 60s,
00:30:18.33\00:30:22.15
the acid, the heroin, and
the cocaine, and the marijuana,
00:30:22.19\00:30:24.98
and it was sad to see,
but that is the way it is
00:30:25.01\00:30:31.95
all around the world.
00:30:31.98\00:30:33.01
Some of these individuals,
that came that asked to be
00:30:33.05\00:30:36.33
prayed for, I don't
really know if you know that one
00:30:36.36\00:30:39.61
gentleman that had tuberculosis.
00:30:39.65\00:30:41.57
He was an alcoholic -
Alexander. - yeah, I'm not sure.
00:30:41.60\00:30:45.88
Is the one we took the lunch?
- yes he came in for lunch
00:30:45.91\00:30:50.54
and he looked terrible, like
he hadn't showered in who knows
00:30:50.58\00:30:54.98
how long, his clothes were
filthy, his hair and his beard,
00:30:55.02\00:30:59.39
he was just a mess.
00:30:59.43\00:31:01.25
So that was at lunch and
Cheri said, well I hope the next
00:31:01.29\00:31:04.84
time I see you, you were
cleaned up, clean and sober.
00:31:04.87\00:31:08.35
Like the demoniac, when Jesus
took all the demons out of him
00:31:08.39\00:31:10.97
and cleaned him up and
he was in his right mind.
00:31:11.00\00:31:12.62
So we hustled this guy up to
the room that we were staying
00:31:12.66\00:31:16.35
in and we had him
shower, and we had him shave,
00:31:16.39\00:31:20.56
and we gave him our clothes
to put on and then walked him
00:31:20.60\00:31:24.03
back down. - I couldn't
believe it, I was thinking
00:31:24.07\00:31:27.37
who is this guy? - exactly!
00:31:27.41\00:31:29.36
What was interesting to me,
is that even when we were in
00:31:31.69\00:31:35.61
Russia, is that they so
didn't believe that people could
00:31:35.65\00:31:39.54
come out of that kind of damage.
00:31:39.57\00:31:41.68
Once you are an alcoholic,
once you are trashed, once you
00:31:41.71\00:31:44.82
generationally
have been trashed,
00:31:44.85\00:31:46.88
you are just throw a way.
00:31:46.91\00:31:48.53
It is like being able
to say that is so not true.
00:31:48.57\00:31:51.34
We have to change
our mindset on that.
00:31:51.38\00:31:54.32
You are saying that as a
nation, in your world, you're
00:31:54.35\00:31:59.15
saying that to
everyone is that it is not true.
00:31:59.18\00:32:01.16
We actually can walk into
healing, we can restore what
00:32:01.19\00:32:07.41
was taken away. - yes,
yes we have a saying in
00:32:07.45\00:32:11.15
Indian country that we
have to break the cycle.
00:32:11.19\00:32:14.83
That is true of any culture
in any society where you have
00:32:14.86\00:32:19.32
to break the cycle.
00:32:19.35\00:32:20.36
As I told my great grandfather,
my father and I were all into
00:32:20.39\00:32:24.23
drugs and alcohol and so they
say it takes two generations
00:32:24.27\00:32:28.07
to break the cycle.
00:32:28.10\00:32:29.38
So thank God I don't do drugs
and alcohol, and I thank God
00:32:29.42\00:32:33.96
that my two daughters
don't do drugs and alcohol.
00:32:34.00\00:32:35.87
And they are having a fun
life, tell about the daughter
00:32:35.90\00:32:39.05
that got married, talk
about her and her husband.
00:32:39.09\00:32:41.29
Tyler and Lavonne,
she works for Weimer.
00:32:41.33\00:32:45.46
- and this is a
health center call this?
00:32:45.49\00:32:49.55
Yes, yes it's a health
college in Northern California.
00:32:49.59\00:32:53.39
Tyler, he works for Doug
Bachelor at Amazing Facts.
00:32:53.43\00:32:57.16
He was actually one of the
first students in the College
00:32:57.20\00:33:02.46
Of Evangelism, the Genesis.
00:33:02.49\00:33:04.52
I was at your house when
they were going to go, and I
00:33:04.55\00:33:06.97
remember thinking, oh, you
guys are going to have a blast.
00:33:07.00\00:33:10.10
My daughter, Lavonne,
she went to school close to a
00:33:10.13\00:33:18.08
Navy base, she went to school
there, she lived there and
00:33:18.12\00:33:20.69
she worked there and I
was teasing her saying,
00:33:20.72\00:33:22.58
you are going to find
a Navy boy aren't you?
00:33:22.62\00:33:24.45
She said, yeah, right dad!
00:33:24.48\00:33:25.84
Sure enough she met
Tyler who was in the Navy.
00:33:25.88\00:33:29.82
The first time he met us
was at our Adventist Church,
00:33:29.85\00:33:34.88
Lavonne brought him.
00:33:34.91\00:33:36.15
He was partying the night
before so he still smelled
00:33:36.18\00:33:41.27
like a brewery and
yeah that was his first trip
00:33:41.31\00:33:46.33
to an Adventist church, hung
over from partying all night.
00:33:46.36\00:33:50.06
You know how fun God is?
God is like that is all right.
00:33:50.09\00:33:53.75
Welcome home. - that is fine,
00:33:53.79\00:33:55.92
we will take you as you are.
00:33:55.96\00:33:58.02
So the next year he sat Nina
and I and said, I would like to
00:33:58.06\00:34:03.35
marry LaVonne, and
Nina said, oh great!
00:34:03.39\00:34:04.98
Guess what, we're going to
start Bible studies right away.
00:34:05.01\00:34:07.70
You know I did that
with my daughter's boyfriend.
00:34:07.74\00:34:12.36
That's too funny!
00:34:12.40\00:34:14.33
So we had Leo Screven's
tapes, - he's been on the show
00:34:14.36\00:34:19.62
and so was Leo Screven that
had a hand in helping convert
00:34:19.66\00:34:24.89
Tyler and he was
baptized and is doing great now.
00:34:24.92\00:34:28.10
They're going to make me a
grandpa for the first time.
00:34:28.13\00:34:31.51
- Amen! They will be
celebrating their eighth wedding
00:34:31.54\00:34:34.88
anniversary
August 15, this August.
00:34:34.92\00:34:37.67
- how exciting,
they are doing great.
00:34:37.70\00:34:40.38
Before we get on to Mary,
talking about Mary and what she
00:34:40.41\00:34:43.90
is doing, I know that Leo
has talked on our show about
00:34:43.93\00:34:47.67
he can do something in five
minutes, but you also saw him
00:34:47.71\00:34:51.42
do that, can you explain that?
00:34:51.45\00:34:52.81
I witnessed it, Leo
was doing a seminar in
00:34:52.84\00:34:56.97
Everett Washington and my
brother had just completed
00:34:57.00\00:35:01.69
a canoe journey, and
it is an amazing journey.
00:35:01.73\00:35:04.93
Is that, that paddle?
- yes, it is done yearly.
00:35:04.97\00:35:08.14
We just finished
The Paddle Yalom.
00:35:08.17\00:35:09.91
We had probably 10,000 people,
close to a hundred canoes
00:35:09.95\00:35:12.98
traveling from as far
away as northern Canada
00:35:13.02\00:35:17.35
down to southern
Washington waters.
00:35:17.38\00:35:19.93
My brother did marijuana
for 25 years and smoked
00:35:19.96\00:35:24.27
cigarettes for 30 years.
- lots of cigarettes too!
00:35:24.31\00:35:28.55
Yes, his goal in life was
to be able to smoke marijuana
00:35:28.58\00:35:32.71
until he died, he envisioned
himself with a tube in his
00:35:32.75\00:35:36.85
throat smoking
marijuana through that tube.
00:35:36.88\00:35:39.30
I told him about Leo, that
Leo said he could get people
00:35:39.33\00:35:44.82
to stop smoking in five
minutes, I was skeptical,
00:35:44.85\00:35:47.49
but I went there with
my brother and sure enough.
00:35:47.53\00:35:50.62
Three Scriptures out of
the Bible and that night Tony
00:35:50.65\00:35:54.10
walked away cold turkey,
not having any cravings or
00:35:54.13\00:35:57.55
anything for marijuana again.
00:35:57.58\00:35:58.78
No withdraws and he
was never smoking again?
00:35:58.82\00:36:01.09
He was actually baptized at
that seminar that he attended.
00:36:01.12\00:36:04.79
He was into the
Adventist church.
00:36:04.82\00:36:08.55
Tony's life was like
mine, but he loved every drug,
00:36:08.59\00:36:14.04
everything, where I didn't
like LSD, acid, he took them
00:36:14.07\00:36:19.49
all, he out there
was a drug out there.
00:36:19.52\00:36:21.98
Yeah and five
minutes. Yeah five minutes!
00:36:22.01\00:36:24.40
I witnessed it, through
the power of the Holy Spirit.
00:36:24.44\00:36:30.47
So your daughter is not
drug, alcoholic and working
00:36:30.50\00:36:36.49
Weimer, married to Tyler.
00:36:36.53\00:36:39.71
Tyler did evangelism for
while and now he is working at
00:36:39.75\00:36:43.07
Amazing Facts, right?
00:36:43.11\00:36:45.45
Tyler has done evangelism
seminars for Amazing Facts all
00:36:45.49\00:36:48.79
over the nation, from
California, New Mexico,
00:36:48.83\00:36:51.49
Oklahoma, the East Coast.
00:36:51.52\00:36:53.98
We have to have him on the show.
00:36:54.01\00:36:55.44
Yeah Tyler is an
amazing kid, I call him a kid.
00:36:55.47\00:36:59.20
So Mary is in
college? Mary is in college.
00:36:59.24\00:37:03.31
It's her third year in
college and she's doing great.
00:37:03.34\00:37:05.39
Working for the
tribes, she's got to be
00:37:05.43\00:37:07.79
a GIS mapping specialist.
00:37:07.82\00:37:09.99
- I'm not even going
to ask you what that is.
00:37:10.02\00:37:13.03
Thank you! But tell
her I said hi. - I will.
00:37:13.07\00:37:16.01
So even when you were
talking about the paddle, that
00:37:16.04\00:37:20.62
whole thing, wasn't that
somehow representative of making
00:37:20.66\00:37:25.04
a change, making a commitment
as far, what does that
00:37:25.07\00:37:29.02
represent, that
10,000 people or so coming?
00:37:29.05\00:37:31.97
Our culture in the last
hundred years has been revolving
00:37:32.01\00:37:35.80
around a lot around drugs
and alcohol unfortunately.
00:37:35.83\00:37:39.52
When you think about 150
years ago there was no drugs,
00:37:39.56\00:37:43.21
there was no alcohol,
there was no diseases in
00:37:43.25\00:37:45.81
our society, can
you imagine that?
00:37:45.85\00:37:47.37
- I can't even imagine
that. - I can't either!
00:37:47.41\00:37:49.03
It was almost a perfect society
where all your needs were
00:37:49.07\00:37:52.56
taking care of. - by the land.
00:37:52.59\00:37:54.69
We had a belief that
we were one with nature.
00:37:54.72\00:37:58.94
We were not better than
the animals, we weren't better
00:37:58.97\00:38:01.35
than the plants, we
worked better than the trees,
00:38:01.39\00:38:03.39
we were one with them.
00:38:03.42\00:38:04.82
So we knew that it was God's
creation and so we respected
00:38:04.86\00:38:08.75
it, when the Lord allowed
our hunters to have a deer,
00:38:08.78\00:38:12.60
they actually, after the deer's
life was taken, they would sit
00:38:12.64\00:38:16.72
down and pray and
thank God for allowing that.
00:38:16.75\00:38:19.68
It was awesome so our society
was amazing to think about.
00:38:19.71\00:38:25.22
I can just sometimes
close my eyes and think what it
00:38:25.25\00:38:28.28
must've been like, you
would have 3,4 or 5 generations
00:38:28.32\00:38:31.31
under one roof and it
is amazing to think about.
00:38:31.34\00:38:34.31
So in the last
hundred years drugs, alcohol.
00:38:34.34\00:38:37.27
- all of that
has been broken up,
00:38:37.31\00:38:39.41
it just breaks
families up and destroys that.
00:38:39.44\00:38:42.23
Well the non-Indian had a
philosophy in the late 1900's
00:38:42.27\00:38:46.68
to assimilate Indians and make
them into white men was their
00:38:46.71\00:38:50.06
plan and that included the
boarding schools were your kids
00:38:50.10\00:38:53.42
were taken at 6 years
old and made to spend just
00:38:53.45\00:38:57.41
about 9 to 10 months
in a boarding school.
00:38:57.45\00:39:00.10
That experience was horrendous.
00:39:00.13\00:39:02.29
Not allowed to
speak their own language?
00:39:02.32\00:39:04.17
Not allowed to speak their
own language, their customs.
00:39:04.20\00:39:06.10
They had to cut their
hair off and everything.
00:39:06.14\00:39:10.87
I've met people that I
sat with that are older,
00:39:10.91\00:39:15.58
they have told me that
story because they were one of
00:39:15.61\00:39:17.73
the kids in the boarding school.
00:39:17.77\00:39:19.10
They would weep
telling me the story.
00:39:19.13\00:39:20.90
How they were so, where is
my folks? All those things.
00:39:20.93\00:39:25.03
So the hurt and the damage
that was done is significant.
00:39:25.07\00:39:29.27
I know that we don't have
a clue and cannot understand
00:39:29.31\00:39:33.47
that. - no, the mental
abuse and physical abuse,
00:39:33.51\00:39:36.32
the verbal abuse, the sexual
abuse that occurred at these
00:39:36.36\00:39:40.33
institutions, they were
doing the right thing I think,
00:39:40.37\00:39:44.31
but they did it the wrong way.
00:39:44.35\00:39:45.55
You know where they
were trying to educate and
00:39:45.59\00:39:49.39
introduce the Indians
into the white man's society
00:39:49.43\00:39:53.19
and it was a failure.
00:39:53.23\00:39:55.63
So my grandfather went through
that experience and because his
00:39:55.66\00:39:59.48
taste of education was based on
that boarding school, education
00:39:59.52\00:40:03.30
wasn't important part, if
this is what education is,
00:40:03.34\00:40:07.72
my kids aren't going to.
00:40:07.75\00:40:09.46
My mom's generation,
and my dad's generation,
00:40:09.49\00:40:12.69
education wasn't a priority.
00:40:12.73\00:40:14.51
So in 75 my brother was the
first win in our family ever
00:40:14.54\00:40:17.44
to walk down and get a diploma.
00:40:17.48\00:40:19.93
It was amazing.
00:40:19.96\00:40:22.65
So now coming back in and
saying, at this point how do we
00:40:22.69\00:40:27.64
bring healing to
that kind of damage?
00:40:27.68\00:40:30.59
Because we talk about
personal damage on this show all
00:40:30.62\00:40:33.31
the time, we talk about
recovery, and I never think of
00:40:33.34\00:40:36.57
recovery as a nation, as a
people group recovering from
00:40:36.61\00:40:39.80
things that generationally
have been given to you.
00:40:39.83\00:40:45.51
It's not just Indian,
it's every one of us that has
00:40:45.55\00:40:49.86
this generational thing
that somehow it gets us hooked.
00:40:49.90\00:40:54.17
We don't even know
why I am so lost in this.
00:40:54.21\00:40:56.68
But somebody has to say,
that is what I feel like it's
00:40:56.72\00:41:00.49
incredible right now with
the seventh generation and with
00:41:00.53\00:41:03.08
people standing up, is
that even as a nation people are
00:41:03.11\00:41:05.63
saying enough,
where incredible folks.
00:41:05.66\00:41:08.49
Just to wrap this up to let
you know what we're doing real
00:41:08.52\00:41:11.48
quickly, the Swinomish
with alcohol and drug programs.
00:41:11.51\00:41:14.40
We commit $350,000 a year to
a drug and alcohol program with
00:41:14.43\00:41:18.87
counselors, education
is the top priority for us.
00:41:18.91\00:41:21.73
You have to see how
important education is, and
00:41:21.76\00:41:24.52
so when our kids graduate
and get a GED we give them
00:41:24.55\00:41:27.13
$24,000 scholarship to
the school of their choice.
00:41:27.16\00:41:30.33
Because you are saying
we want to so equip you?
00:41:30.36\00:41:33.82
Yes, yes. - I'm going to
open it up for questions.
00:41:33.86\00:41:37.28
I know people have questions.
00:41:37.32\00:41:38.86
As we go in that direction
I want to remind everyone to
00:41:38.89\00:41:43.12
pray for Brian, pray for
what they are doing because
00:41:43.16\00:41:47.20
I just know that things
are going to turn around.
00:41:47.24\00:41:51.25
Okay Amy do you have a question?
00:41:51.28\00:41:54.19
Yeah, with what we have
been talking about I can relate.
00:41:54.23\00:41:58.38
I come from a
generation of alcoholics myself.
00:41:58.41\00:42:01.15
My mother was an alcoholic
and she was killed in a car
00:42:01.19\00:42:04.38
accident, I was 18 months
so I never got to know her.
00:42:04.42\00:42:08.40
You are talking about
how you help alcoholics with
00:42:08.44\00:42:12.39
whatever, I was
wanting to know do you have
00:42:12.42\00:42:15.03
rehabilitation centers in the
tribe, or how does that work?
00:42:15.06\00:42:18.97
Our tribe does not have a
rehabilitation center on the
00:42:19.01\00:42:22.18
Reservation, but there
are a number of rehabs centers
00:42:22.22\00:42:25.11
around the state that we
send our tribal members to.
00:42:25.15\00:42:30.46
Of course, sometimes we
have repeat offenders, I don't
00:42:30.49\00:42:34.52
know if that is the right
word, but sometimes we have
00:42:34.55\00:42:38.54
to send them two or three times.
00:42:38.58\00:42:40.21
My father went through
that, and thank God when he was
00:42:40.24\00:42:45.88
43 years old, the doctor
gave him a choice of quitting
00:42:45.92\00:42:51.06
drinking or to keep drinking
and we will bury you within
00:42:51.09\00:42:56.19
a year and so that was
in 1976 that my dad made
00:42:56.23\00:43:00.06
the decision and he is
going to be 74 years old.
00:43:00.10\00:43:03.86
He was one of those that
went to the treatment center
00:43:03.90\00:43:07.49
two or three times, but
thank God he has been clean
00:43:07.53\00:43:11.09
and sober now since 76.
00:43:11.13\00:43:13.54
What a lot of people
don't know is that, the average
00:43:13.57\00:43:16.05
person that is struggling
with drugs and alcohol will
00:43:16.09\00:43:19.31
fall may be seven times,
so they're saying the average,
00:43:19.34\00:43:22.53
some little bit more, some less.
00:43:22.56\00:43:24.19
Your dad going three
is actually all right.
00:43:24.23\00:43:26.70
He's just
smarter than average one.
00:43:26.73\00:43:29.65
I think I fell like crazy,
but when you work with somebody
00:43:29.69\00:43:34.00
that is struggling know
that it may not happen the first
00:43:34.03\00:43:38.31
time, but don't give up on them.
00:43:38.34\00:43:40.10
Don't stop praying for
them and don't stop intervening.
00:43:40.14\00:43:43.46
Because some at one point,
like what happened with Leo
00:43:43.49\00:43:46.78
and your uncle, your
brother was at one point,
00:43:46.82\00:43:50.36
for whatever reason,
somebody says something,
00:43:50.40\00:43:53.14
shares something and
you get it and it's done.
00:43:53.17\00:43:55.88
To this day we ran into
one of our old drug dealers.
00:43:58.74\00:44:01.87
I did, going across to
ferry where I live and he said,
00:44:01.90\00:44:04.68
how is Tony, I said Tony
is a born again Christian.
00:44:04.71\00:44:07.46
Shut up, get out
of here, Tony, no way.
00:44:07.49\00:44:10.66
So one of our old drug
dealers was blown away.
00:44:10.70\00:44:14.36
I love that, and I
love the fact that you,
00:44:14.40\00:44:18.00
in your position, people
know you as a kid and know what
00:44:18.03\00:44:22.25
you have gone through,
now you can bless them as a
00:44:22.29\00:44:25.78
man of God, in this position
and say you don't have to
00:44:25.82\00:44:29.28
give your life away
to drugs and alcohol.
00:44:29.31\00:44:31.64
That's one thing about tribal
politics, you get a lot of
00:44:31.68\00:44:33.63
skeletons in your
closet and everybody knows.
00:44:33.67\00:44:35.47
Because it is a small area!
00:44:35.51\00:44:37.16
It's not like outside politics
where they find something
00:44:37.19\00:44:41.44
in your pass and
uses it against you.
00:44:41.47\00:44:43.35
Here they forgive
you. - that is way cool.
00:44:43.38\00:44:46.33
Any more
questions, how about Teresa?
00:44:46.36\00:44:48.67
Well what do you say to
those people who justify
00:44:48.71\00:44:52.65
themselves of the fact
that they drink alcohol because
00:44:52.69\00:44:55.87
it is part of their culture?
00:44:55.90\00:44:57.81
I am going to give you an
example, because my country,
00:44:57.84\00:45:01.94
Ecuador, especially men, it
is so normal for everybody to
00:45:01.97\00:45:06.03
say it is right
to drink alcohol.
00:45:06.07\00:45:09.29
So they justify it by
saying it's okay everybody does
00:45:09.32\00:45:12.15
it at home because it
is part of our culture.
00:45:12.19\00:45:15.42
What do you say to those people?
00:45:15.46\00:45:17.06
Fortunately and unfortunately
have only had alcohol
00:45:17.10\00:45:21.33
in our culture for 150
years, like I said we were
00:45:21.36\00:45:25.56
introduced 150 years
ago into our culture.
00:45:25.59\00:45:28.20
So we've only gone
through seven generations.
00:45:28.23\00:45:30.76
Actually the children
growing up now are the seventh
00:45:30.80\00:45:33.93
generation from when the
white man first came into our
00:45:33.96\00:45:38.57
society, so for 2 or 3
generations it was normal it was
00:45:38.60\00:45:43.39
normal for our men and
women to be drinking a lot of
00:45:43.43\00:45:48.41
alcohol and fortunately we
are starting to see more and
00:45:48.44\00:45:53.39
more of our elders stand up.
00:45:53.42\00:45:56.26
They have gone through
drug and alcoholism saying this
00:45:56.29\00:45:59.10
isn't part of our
culture and we need to stop.
00:45:59.14\00:46:02.48
So we are seeing more and
more of our elders stepping
00:46:02.51\00:46:05.85
forward and
saying this has to stop.
00:46:05.88\00:46:08.14
Where people are saying it
is enough, that it is becoming
00:46:08.17\00:46:13.08
the norm, for people to
say this is not who we are.
00:46:13.12\00:46:16.79
Yes, fortunately it has not
been part of our culture for
00:46:16.83\00:46:21.13
that long, so when my
grandfather did it or my great-
00:46:21.16\00:46:25.42
grandfather did it,
well so it doesn't mean
00:46:25.46\00:46:29.01
you have to do it.
00:46:29.04\00:46:30.51
Incredible, one more
question how about Heather?
00:46:30.55\00:46:33.76
I'm just curious, you
have been talking about having
00:46:33.80\00:46:37.22
a lot of programs in place
for people who are recovering
00:46:37.25\00:46:40.64
from alcohol, how about spouses?
00:46:40.68\00:46:43.11
Do you have anything in
place for a person who doesn't
00:46:43.14\00:46:48.34
drink but has a
spouse that drinks?
00:46:48.38\00:46:50.63
It is like when in a 12
step program like Al-Anon.
00:46:52.96\00:46:56.78
If you have been around
that and have addicts in your
00:46:56.82\00:47:00.60
family, do you have any
programs for people that
00:47:00.64\00:47:03.92
are just enablers, any
co-dependents in the group?
00:47:03.95\00:47:07.17
Unfortunately no, we don't
have anything, I don't quite
00:47:07.20\00:47:11.98
understand the question still.
00:47:12.01\00:47:13.34
You know co-dependency?
- yes - so a lot of times
00:47:13.38\00:47:17.10
you clean up the alcoholic
and then you have all these
00:47:17.14\00:47:20.63
codependence, for every
alcoholic, or anyone lost in
00:47:20.67\00:47:24.13
drugs, they have
probably 35 people around them
00:47:24.16\00:47:26.37
that have enabled them for ever.
00:47:26.41\00:47:28.55
So do you have anything in
place or families, or family
00:47:28.58\00:47:34.00
units when
addiction is involved?
00:47:34.03\00:47:35.93
We do have programs set
up and it starts from youth.
00:47:35.97\00:47:39.29
A youth program set up.
00:47:39.33\00:47:40.80
Just to teach those
kind of things? - yes.
00:47:40.84\00:47:44.16
You have
addictions and behaviors?
00:47:44.19\00:47:46.04
Yes and we work with them
throughout adults and it is so
00:47:46.07\00:47:51.25
cool that we have
every year a sobriety dinner
00:47:51.28\00:47:54.09
to celebrate, we
started that in 2000.
00:47:54.13\00:47:59.88
Our goal, when you come in
to the dinner you sign in and
00:47:59.91\00:48:03.64
put the amount of
years you have been sober.
00:48:03.68\00:48:07.22
So our goal in 2000
was to have 2000 in 2000.
00:48:07.25\00:48:10.73
At least 2000 years of sobriety,
so we ended up with 2500
00:48:10.76\00:48:15.28
years of sobriety.
00:48:15.32\00:48:16.76
All of tribal members, and
we gave a gift out to those
00:48:16.79\00:48:21.56
that were sober the longest
and 57 years was an elder that
00:48:21.59\00:48:26.33
had never ever done
drugs or alcohol in her life.
00:48:26.36\00:48:29.60
The shortest was one day,
and so they got a gift for being
00:48:29.64\00:48:34.47
sober for one day.
00:48:34.50\00:48:36.43
What is funny is to be able
to say, we are really making
00:48:36.46\00:48:40.66
this important,
this is important.
00:48:40.69\00:48:42.41
I've been clean since
1979, and every single year that
00:48:42.45\00:48:46.69
I am clean, I still
want to say how cool is this?
00:48:46.72\00:48:50.76
That bondage is so
intense, it's amazing to me.
00:48:50.80\00:48:54.78
I want to thank you for
being on the show Brian.
00:48:54.81\00:48:58.73
If there is anything that
you want people to leave with,
00:48:58.76\00:49:01.98
when you walk away from
this show and they turn it off,
00:49:02.02\00:49:05.20
what would you
like them to remember
00:49:05.24\00:49:07.23
about you in this interview?
00:49:07.27\00:49:08.79
It's easy for drug addicts
to relate, but it is not easy
00:49:08.82\00:49:13.87
for a non-Indian to
relate to an Indian.
00:49:13.91\00:49:16.52
He is just a different
culture and everything is
00:49:16.55\00:49:19.87
magnified in our society,
because in our society people
00:49:19.91\00:49:25.55
do not move away from home.
00:49:25.59\00:49:27.44
Ever, when they come
back if they do move away.
00:49:27.48\00:49:29.99
We don't have family in
New York, we don't have family
00:49:30.03\00:49:32.99
in California, we
don't have family in Florida.
00:49:33.03\00:49:35.42
My friend who has been
living on our reservation for
00:49:35.45\00:49:39.99
30 years now, he has to go
to New York to see mom, Florida
00:49:40.03\00:49:43.50
to see sister, and he says
you are so blessed that you
00:49:43.54\00:49:46.97
have all your
family in one place.
00:49:47.01\00:49:49.47
In our culture that does
not leave the reservation much.
00:49:49.50\00:49:53.80
80 or 90% of the Swinomish
members are right there.
00:49:53.83\00:49:57.22
You see I can't even
relate to that. - no!
00:49:57.25\00:49:59.02
So just this year we lost
my great-grandmother's brother
00:49:59.06\00:50:03.97
and sister, so from them
down to my grandnephew is 6
00:50:04.00\00:50:08.88
generations of our
family still alive.
00:50:08.92\00:50:11.52
So we have five generations
now, but in our society when
00:50:11.56\00:50:17.64
you think about 20% of the
native Americans under 12 using
00:50:17.68\00:50:23.72
drugs, that is a problem.
00:50:23.76\00:50:26.19
When you think about the
suicide rate in Indian country,
00:50:26.22\00:50:30.46
70% of suicides in Indian
country involved drugs and
00:50:30.50\00:50:36.71
alcohol, the rate of
poverty is like 30% on an Indian
00:50:36.75\00:50:41.52
reservation, tribal
members are living in poverty.
00:50:41.56\00:50:46.26
A lot of them do not have
plumbing, a lot of them do not
00:50:46.29\00:50:50.37
have a telephone, people
find that hard to believe that
00:50:50.40\00:50:54.44
there is no plumbing.
00:50:54.48\00:50:56.29
You can go to a
reservation and you would find
00:50:56.33\00:50:59.97
Third World conditions
here in the United States.
00:51:00.01\00:51:03.58
It is really sad, all that
contributes to a lot of drug
00:51:03.61\00:51:07.21
and alcohol abuse, when
you had that kind of poverty.
00:51:07.25\00:51:11.28
You are doing as much as
you can as far as the leader of
00:51:11.31\00:51:15.30
that nation, but as
far as us what can we do?
00:51:15.34\00:51:19.25
I know we can pray, that
is definitely a huge deal.
00:51:19.29\00:51:24.83
I think the church should
try to do more outreach in
00:51:24.86\00:51:30.33
Indian country because a
Native American are receptive to
00:51:30.37\00:51:34.72
the Word, they
are. - they so are!
00:51:34.75\00:51:37.30
They love it, if you can
get the right person in, the
00:51:37.34\00:51:42.32
Indian country we, -
are you inviting me again?
00:51:42.36\00:51:45.01
You are accepted in what,
one day. You were accepted so
00:51:45.04\00:51:48.75
you know we accept real
quick if people are genuine.
00:51:48.78\00:51:52.45
So I think a lot more
outreach by our church.
00:51:52.49\00:51:57.62
We have to have you back and
have you back with some other
00:51:57.66\00:52:00.56
folks, because I think we
have to hear this more and more.
00:52:00.59\00:52:03.46
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00:52:03.50\00:52:07.94
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It's just amazing to me,
and this show has been a little
00:52:58.43\00:53:01.04
bit different because we
have talked a lot about personal
00:53:01.07\00:53:03.65
recovery on other shows.
00:53:03.68\00:53:05.67
This is about when God
personally steps into your life.
00:53:05.71\00:53:09.60
Like what happened with Brian
is that he is drinking and his
00:53:09.64\00:53:13.22
grandpa and father, every
body's drinking, so he starts
00:53:13.25\00:53:16.65
getting into drinking and
drugging all that stuff and God
00:53:16.68\00:53:20.05
steps into his life and
everything changes for you.
00:53:20.08\00:53:23.85
Now you are stepping
into, back into your culture and
00:53:23.89\00:53:27.59
trying to bring health and
recovery back into the culture.
00:53:27.62\00:53:31.07
I think when God does that it
absolutely just makes me want to
00:53:31.11\00:53:34.52
kiss Him on the face.
00:53:34.56\00:53:35.55
If we stay personally looking
at our recovery every day,
00:53:35.59\00:53:39.07
I really believe this with
everything in me, if I just
00:53:39.10\00:53:42.25
look at Cheri and my recovery
and what I need to learn,
00:53:42.28\00:53:45.39
what I need to do for
health, I have to all that.
00:53:45.43\00:53:48.70
But if that is all in
doing I think I will relapse.
00:53:48.73\00:53:51.99
I have to get beyond that
and say what about the people
00:53:52.02\00:53:55.24
around me, the people I love.
00:53:55.28\00:53:56.98
Amy you talked
about being adopted.
00:53:57.01\00:53:59.31
You could probably
relate to any adopted child that
00:53:59.34\00:54:02.25
walks on this planet regardless
of what their issue is.
00:54:02.29\00:54:05.27
So God stands us up and
we start actually loving and
00:54:05.31\00:54:08.24
relating and healing the
people around us that has
00:54:08.27\00:54:11.16
the issues that we have.
00:54:11.20\00:54:12.52
Heather you were
talking, what about the spouse?
00:54:12.55\00:54:15.34
What about people
around the addict?
00:54:15.37\00:54:17.41
I laugh at that because
when Brian and I, there was
00:54:17.44\00:54:20.38
11 of us that went to
Russia, it was a blast.
00:54:20.41\00:54:23.08
My husband went and a number
of teams went and a little
00:54:23.11\00:54:26.29
gang member went that
really gave Brian a hard time.
00:54:26.32\00:54:29.42
We just had a blast but one
of the things we were suppose
00:54:29.46\00:54:32.20
to do was teach the
spouses of drug addicts and
00:54:32.23\00:54:37.08
alcoholics, how to
just simply not enable them.
00:54:37.11\00:54:41.89
One of the times I remember
sitting with a group of women
00:54:41.92\00:54:45.24
and I just had to
get them to say 'no'.
00:54:45.27\00:54:47.91
We are going to
do some role-playing.
00:54:47.95\00:54:50.51
When your son, who is a heroine
addict asks you for money,
00:54:50.55\00:54:54.24
I want you to say no!
00:54:54.28\00:54:56.29
And they couldn't even
form their mouth, it was like
00:54:56.32\00:54:59.31
I can't even say it.
00:54:59.35\00:55:00.61
In the co-dependency sometimes,
and in different peoples
00:55:00.64\00:55:03.82
families, are so intense
that to teach people to set
00:55:03.85\00:55:06.99
boundaries is absolutely huge.
00:55:07.03\00:55:09.51
With my daughter Jaclyn, I've
didn't have some issues with
00:55:09.55\00:55:13.46
alcoholism and drugs, because
when you choose to get well
00:55:13.49\00:55:17.22
you to break this generational
curse, this generational
00:55:17.25\00:55:20.94
stuff in your family.
00:55:20.98\00:55:22.41
When you set boundaries and
start to not enable the people
00:55:22.44\00:55:27.00
around you things change.
00:55:27.03\00:55:29.38
Russia was so funny because
getting women to finally look
00:55:29.41\00:55:33.77
at us, you mean just say
no, Net and we were like yeah,
00:55:33.80\00:55:38.12
just say no.
00:55:38.15\00:55:39.66
They were like I can't do
that, I just can't do that.
00:55:39.69\00:55:43.10
Being able to teach what
the benefits, when we start
00:55:43.13\00:55:46.18
getting well the benefit
and teaching somebody else and
00:55:46.22\00:55:49.23
setting boundaries
for everybody to heal.
00:55:49.27\00:55:51.77
I so, again, love the fact
that God says I want you to get
00:55:51.81\00:55:56.59
well, I want you to get it
had to step into recovery and
00:55:56.63\00:56:00.15
then I want you to look at
My face and fall in love with
00:56:00.18\00:56:03.66
Me and turn around and look
into the face of someone else.
00:56:03.69\00:56:08.46
Again going back to Russia,
we work with this guy, and
00:56:08.50\00:56:13.24
this kid was 20 years
old, strung out on heroine.
00:56:13.27\00:56:18.29
He comes in and was
sitting in the hallway,
00:56:18.32\00:56:22.18
just crying, just crying.
00:56:22.22\00:56:24.54
He has a picture in his
hand, a little flyer we had put
00:56:24.58\00:56:28.18
out, and the flyer was of Chris
Chapman's son who had died of
00:56:28.22\00:56:31.73
meth, and the only thing he
could say, as we didn't have
00:56:31.76\00:56:34.80
interpreters with us when
we found him, was he wanted to
00:56:34.84\00:56:37.85
find that Mama, this boy's Mama.
00:56:37.88\00:56:40.23
We ended up keeping
this guy in a room, locked up
00:56:40.26\00:56:44.82
for seven days, right Brian?
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Seven days locked up, we
had people coming in around the
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clock and would read to him,
would talk to him, pray with
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him, and he kept saying do
you have any coffee or anything?
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We would give him herbal
tea and he would say, do I have
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to have grandma's Tea again?
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We didn't have
interpreters, but it was being
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able as an addict, as a person
in recovery, I know how good it
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feels to be clean.
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I know how good it
feels to have my life back.
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I know how good it
feels to not be strung out,
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not to be pulled around by
my addictions, to not have to
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worry about going to
prison and going to jail,
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or having somebody die
because I ran into them,
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or die myself
because I ran off the road.
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I know how good that feels
so I want to shout it from the
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rooftop, I want to say,
even with Brian is saying is
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as a nation, we are some
amazing folks, but alcohol
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and drugs are taking us down.
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As a nation, he's yelling
out to his brothers and sisters,
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and I'm yelling out to
my brothers and sisters.
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I know God is wanting us
to do that with each other and
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through the Holy Spirit,
through the power of God,
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I think that is the only way for
some of this healing to happen.
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God has to intervene, we
have to allow God to come into
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our families and communities,
definitely to each one of us
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individually and say
to Him, how do I heal?
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Then to stand me up, stand
me up, I want to go out and
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tell someone and I want to
actually have it to be heard.
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I want to educate
myself in all those things.
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Until next time always
remember that God is crazy about
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you, and you know
what remember I am too!
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Bye, and God bless!
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