Welcome to
Celebrating Life In Recovery,
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my name is Cheri
and I am your host.
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Today we have a
family here you will love.
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And what we are going to
look at is normal, all it's
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cracked up to be?
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Come on in and you decide.
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You know it's really
funny when I first came into
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the church, into my
first part of recovery,
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I thought everybody was
going to be normal, of course
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except for my family.
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I want to remind
people about my family.
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My father died seven months
ago in a drug house strung up
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on crack, and what I want
to say when I say that is that
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I love my father.
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He was a molester and we
had a lot of damage, but my
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prayer was someday
that he would be changed.
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So it was a really
hard thing to deal with.
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But my stepfather who I have
known since I was four years
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old I absolutely adore
him, is strung out to this day.
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Alcoholics, 6' 1" less than
100 pounds, liver shutting down,
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lungs are shutting down, can't
walk across the room without
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losing his breath,
without having difficulty.
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My younger sister is a
meth addict and has been doing
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that for ever, her
teeth are rotted out.
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She is about 85 pounds
and has Aplastic anemia and
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can't produce bone
marrow anymore because the
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meth is so intense.
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She is psychotic, when I
speak to her now I know that
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I am not speaking to my
sister, I'm speaking to a drug.
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I haven't been able to
speak to her for a long time so
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our family
background is very intense.
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My sister that is closest
to me in age that is younger,
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was a stripper and all
that so my family is very
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dysfunctional, very damaged.
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For a lot of you, you know
that I ended up homeless at
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13 years old and so
it just got more and more
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complicated from that point on.
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But when I found Christ,
I find Jesus and it's really
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funny to me, I'm in a drug
house trying to kill myself
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and He adores me,
absolutely adores me.
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And I'm like shut
up how fun is that.
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How cool is it that the
God of the universe says, Cheri
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I think you are beautiful
and I want to walk you into
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recovery, I want to teach
you how to be not even normal.
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How to be incredible, how
to be fabulous, and I didn't
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even realize what that meant.
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The layers of damage that He
was going to walk me through.
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So we are going to talk
about some of that stuff, but we
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are going to talk about
the recovery, not from drugs on
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this show, and we have a
lot of times talked about drugs,
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alcohol, sexual addiction
and those kind of addictions
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that are very obvious.
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Stealing, gambling,
workaholism and all that stuff.
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Perfectionism, maybe we
will cover some of those on this
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show, but we are going to
talk about addictions that are
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more normal, that you
see all around you in normal
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families or in normal churches.
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I've got tell you that I
thought that mine was harder
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to struggle with,
forgive me for thinking that.
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You know what you guys,
what I want to say is my
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addictions are obvious.
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When I go back and say I
was trashed because I was beaten
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or raped, I have an event I
can point to all that stuff.
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Some people do not have
anything they can point to, it
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just is this overwhelming
sense of something is wrong.
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Those kind of families
systems, that kind of recovery.
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And what is fun about that
is that the recovery and the
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things we have to do, whether
it is really dysfunctional
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or where it looks more normal,
the recovery is the same.
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God wants to bring victory
to both systems and it is
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amazing to me, if you are
in a more normal family and you
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feel twisted and don't know
why, stay with us because it
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is so much fun to realize
that God wants to heal us.
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I'm going to introduce
you to Pastor Wayne Morrison.
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And Michelle Morrison and I
want to say thank you so much
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for being on the show.
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Our pleasure, good to be here.
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You know I love you
guys. - I love you too.
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The first time we met we
were at the Indianapolis Camp
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meeting, right? - that's right.
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I got to do the
kids - the youth tent.
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We had kids coming up and
one kid even gave us his weed
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on that Camp Meeting. - yes.
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When someone gives you their
weed, you know that you have
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really vindicated God.
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We have talked about
recovery, we set there and dealt
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with people, kids that were
hallucinating, kids were hearing
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voices, kids that
had divorce issues.
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What was amazing when you
guys as Pastors came over to do
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an anointing, could you tell
a little bit about that night?
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To me that was incredible.
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It was, it was an
incredible experience.
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To see kids come before a
Pastor and be willing to say
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I need help with this, for
them to be open and honest was
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incredible for me and
then to be able to lay hands on
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them and pray for them,
it was an awesome night.
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We had one kid that came
up and what was interesting
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about this kid is that his
father left when he was three
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years old, and when his
father left he said immediately
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he started hearing
voices and felt like
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he wasn't worth anything.
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Those voices that first
became his friend because of his
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abandonment and I think
it was the devil himself,
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the demons were
just harassing this kid.
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He said over the years the
voices turned on him and he
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pleaded with us to pray
for him, to do an anointing.
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I do not know which Pastor
anointed him, but the next day
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he came in with tears and
said he hadn't heard voices all
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night for the first time
since he was three years old.
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I thought God, I love you.
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So to me this whole series
is the Holy Spirit recovery
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and the fact that God
wants to step into our lives
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and wants to heal us.
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At that camp meeting I
really felt that was so on the
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table, but then I got
to hang out with you guys.
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I was so intimidated,
because how cool are you guys?
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I thought from hanging out
with both of you I just felt
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that in each of your own ways
you love God and lean so on God.
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As a couple I felt that
and then I met your family,
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and we will meet them
today, we met your family and
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I thought this is
the most normal family
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I have ever seen.
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I just want to be
adopted by them. - you are.
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The more I've gotten to
know you, the more that we have
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hung out together you both
shared personal things about
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where God has
brought you and the
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struggles that you have.
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And the first time you shared
with me, it was over at your
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place for both of you were
sitting there and I remember
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in my mind thinking God,
you work with everybody and
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we all have issues.
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Even the most normal folks
have issues and what I respect
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about them more healthy of the
normal folks I meet is that they
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are willing to give it to
God and that God help them.
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So I want you to share
your testimony with us,
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and I want to hear all
of it. - The whole thing?
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Like what you did before
you became a Pastor, what drove
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you to that, and what
kind of struggles you had.
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You know Cheri several
months ago we did a series
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in our church and what I
was speaking about was exactly
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what you were just mentioning.
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I think it is really
important for us to remember
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that there is no
one person any messed up
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then any another person.
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Some of these
things are more visible and
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we can see them easily,
but all of us have issues that
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we have to deal with.
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I remember saying in church
one day, I think it was right
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after you came,
after you did that seminar.
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I just said we are either
dealing with their issues or
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we are in denial and I think
that is true for everybody.
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The problem is that we
can hide those issues so much
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better if we wear the right
kind of mask and go to church
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with a big smile on her
face and everything looks good,
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and we can be
fighting all the way to church.
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We can get out of the
car and say happy Sabbath.
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A friend of mine, he is a
famous artist, an incredible
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guy, does all the Signs of
the Times and the Quarterlies
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and does all the
artwork for that.
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But he has those
little cartoon that I love.
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The cartoon is a foyer of a
church and everybody looks like
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they just came off World
War I, or off from Iraq and
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just got
bleeding and bandaged up.
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Some are limping in and
some are barely making it.
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And other people are leaning
up against the wall and stuff.
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Somebody says,
hey Joe how ya doing?
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And Joe says I'm doing good.
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And they are so trashed,
and what I love about what
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you're saying now is
that we have the privilege as
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Christians, to walk
out of our injuries.
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God says I promise
you if you trust Me
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I will walk you out of them.
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To not let them mask keep us
from walking into the health.
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We hold a mask up so nobody can
see we are having trouble and
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yet it keeps us from healing.
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There are the different
ways that we get those and that
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is what Michele
and I have found out.
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We except lies, speaking
about the voice, we except lies
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in our life that keep
us from moving forward.
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- nobody will like
you if you be yourself.
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- or what will really
make me happy is, that is where
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I guess my own story
would begin and I haven't really
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told that very often. -
so we have an exclusive?
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I love that, all right, come on.
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I just decided at a
young age, my dad is a Pastor
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and wasn't going to be a Pastor.
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I can't really ever remember
hearing a voice that said
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Wayne you need to be a
Pastor, but now when I look back
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I remember there were times
when I know for sure God was
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calling me but I determined
in my heart and my mind
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that there was a picture
that I wanted for my life.
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I was going to be very
successful businessman and so
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I set out on a path towards
that, I was so anxious to
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accomplish all that that I
quit school I was in college
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for a few weeks and decided I
was going to do it the fast way.
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I went home and
started working, today when
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I look back there are
two significant events that
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tell me I was wrestling.
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When I was back
there was even listening,
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I couldn't even hear it.
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One was I was 12 years old
and my cousin was killed in
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a car accident, he was 2.
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I remember negotiating
with God in prayer during that
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time because I am watching
the people that I love just
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being ripped apart so I
remember negotiating with God
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if You will
raise him back to life,
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I will become a minister.
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Why would I say that
if I hadn't been wrestling
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with the calling like that.
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Then another time when I
was 17 or 18 one of my best
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friends was killed in a
car accident and I remember
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doing the exact same
thing, going through this
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negotiation point where
I believe that God has the
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power to raise people to
life, and I'm saying if You will
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raise this friend of
mine, then I will surrender
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my life and become a Pastor.
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Those never clicked with
me for some reason until much
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later and so we decided, I
decided I was going to be in
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business and I was
going to serve God.
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- had you guys
met already Michele?
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We were about 14 and he
had this 40-year-old goal of
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being a millionaire and
it was like I was serving God
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and that was so not God.
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A millionaire what is this?
And yet there was this part of
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me that wanted to be successful
and have all the bells
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and whistles and he was a
hard worker and I knew that he
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could do it, I just knew
it so it was like he will
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provide for me in
the way I am accustomed.
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Thank God took over
because when you are Jonah and
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you are running from God,
you get caught in the middle
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of a stormy sea and our lives
were the stormy seas almost
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from the beginning. -
from the beginning, so when you
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talk about going into the
business and wanting to be
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successful, were you successful?
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What did you get into?
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I suppose in a way
we were successful.
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We started in construction.
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- did you give her bells
and whistles and new cars?
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We tried, it was all on
borrowed money so it didn't go
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very far, but we tried.
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For most of us isn't
that true? - yeah, yeah.
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We tried to accomplish or
we try to create the mask.
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We create the
picture of what we want.
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For many of us the only
way we can do that is with
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credit, which just kills us
because ultimately trying to
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keep up with what we
are doing destroys our life.
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It drives us then and so it
look good probably for a lot
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of people, as they looked
it probably looked good but it
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wasn't, it wasn't great.
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We were stressed, we were
under a lot of pressure and
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we weren't really
experiencing happiness.
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So we were in construction
for a while and then we went
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into the printing business,
we were in the printing
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business for many years
and failed, failed miserably.
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Started over
again in construction.
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Can I ask you, one thing
when I look back on my recovery
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when I look back on even
being out there and so far away
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from God, I can see and hear
God speak to me but from this
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perspective back, during the
time you were doing the business
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did you sense that
God was saying Hon?
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- I wasn't listening, you know
aw we visited earlier today we
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were talking about hearing
God's voice and I think for too
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many of us we know we want
and so while we think we are
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following God we are
really walking our own path.
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In fact I just met with some
body this week who said to me
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how do you really know when
you are hearing God's voice?
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How do you know what His
will really is for your life?
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I think it is hard for
us because we don't listen.
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We have a picture of what
we want and we're set on it.
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Because we serve God, because
we go to church, or because
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we attend a Bible study
and we say we are Christian
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we think that is God's will.
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It's going to make me happy
and it's got to be God's will.
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So why pray instead of
praying for Him to reveal His
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will, I pray for Him to
bless His will I have determined
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in my life for me
and it's upside down.
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It brings misery. - so
when you say misery, you guys
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were stressed, you guys
were fighting, because you got
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into a nursing field,
was that during this time?
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Or were you in business?
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In nursing school when we
got married and he supported us
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while I was in school,
he was working construction.
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Then we moved from Chattanooga
where I was in school up
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to Iowa and we were going
to be there just a short period
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of time and we be-bobbed
back up to Minnesota, to home.
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We got stuck there for 14
years, no offense to lowans.
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But we wanted to go home,
and we got there and that was
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when the recession, the
early 80s, interest rates were
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high and everything Wayne knew
how to he couldn't do because
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there was no building going on.
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So his dad had a printing
press that was from Oak Park
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Academy and he had bought
it so we started this business.
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It was always a struggle,
it was a struggle for the next
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six or seven years
because you can sleep, eat,
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the weather doesn't
matter when you are printing.
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So that is where he started
burying himself not only in
00:16:12.05\00:16:15.71
business, but in church work.
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During that time we had
kid after kid after kid in
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quick succession, - because
you have a thousand kids.
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Well not right then, we
just had three but they came
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really quick, they came quick.
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The other
thousand - they came later.
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During that time I'm
watching him do the leadership
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Christian thing and
totally give himself in terms of
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church, he was an elder
at less than 25 years old.
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He was busy on the weekends
doing motor-cross and doing
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that every single Sunday
within a five or six hour event.
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So church never left, even
though you were driven with
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business church
never left? - no, no.
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But was it a relationship,
or was it just part of the
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drive-ness, the image. - No
it was just part of the picture.
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I knew what I needed
to do and I knew where
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I needed to be but it
was part of the picture.
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You know the masks, something
I thought of while Michelle was
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just sharing, we have this need
to feel good about ourselves.
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So that can drive us to
do many different things.
00:17:24.81\00:17:27.84
- for some people that is
the definition of addiction.
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Addiction is that I will
do whatever it takes to do
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a mood altering change
to feel good about myself,
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to feel joy and all that stuff.
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That is why when you were
talking about business and
00:17:39.03\00:17:42.77
success and all that
stuff is that luckily you didn't
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grab heroin, if
you know what I mean.
00:17:46.85\00:17:48.83
What you did was grab this
image and that image became
00:17:48.86\00:17:52.27
the relationship you
have with this image.
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Like I said I was lucky
that I didn't have to ever
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drink because if I had
that would have probably been an
00:17:58.81\00:18:00.91
addiction for me, but work was.
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When I talk to you the
first time is that I thought it
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would be incredible, it is
incredible for God to get us
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to a point were we are
willing at all to take the mask
00:18:10.60\00:18:13.86
off, because we think if
we take this mask off I am
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nothing, what will I do,
what will I be, what will
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people think and God
keeps saying, you are fabulous.
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This mask is ugly if
you know what I mean.
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We have it glued to our face.
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I think we hold onto it so
tight because we are afraid
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to trust God, most of us
will say we trust God but
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we are really afraid because
we have decided that this
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and this and this is
going to make me happy.
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When God asks us to release
that, we say no, no, no you
00:18:42.89\00:18:47.46
don't understand
this makes me happy.
00:18:47.49\00:18:49.04
What God is saying is
let go and let me show
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you what real happiness is.
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All of a sudden I am confronted
with this picture that I
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don't trust God when I thought
I was already serving Him.
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- let me show you
where recovery it is.
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That's right. - so when
I'm talking to you guys,
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how did you get out
from underneath that image?
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Was it a crises, you know
most of us aren't smart enough
00:19:09.24\00:19:13.90
to just say this is not working.
00:19:13.93\00:19:15.66
Unfortunately for
Michelle and I. we are both very
00:19:15.69\00:19:19.86
strong-willed children, and
so it was a long journey for
00:19:19.89\00:19:23.84
us, it took along time for
us to come to a broken point.
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So now you have three
kids now, - I'm dying inside.
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Everything that I wanted
in life was a happy family,
00:19:34.25\00:19:38.64
a Christian husband, that
we we both believe the same way
00:19:38.67\00:19:42.23
because I didn't grow
up in a home that way.
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I'm after that and we are
doing all the things that the
00:19:44.31\00:19:49.04
church says, we are reading
our Bibles, we're praying,
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were going to church all
the time and bringing our kids.
00:19:52.42\00:19:54.89
It is not working,
I'm not feeling loved,
00:19:54.92\00:19:58.06
he is never home and
I am screaming out and
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it keeps on hitting the fan.
00:20:01.17\00:20:03.29
The fights are escalating
and I'm thinking he's just a
00:20:03.32\00:20:06.51
big fake, maybe I'm
just a big fake too because
00:20:06.54\00:20:09.36
this is way not working.
00:20:09.39\00:20:11.18
It just escalates to a
point where I'm leaving.
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So really escalated to
that point, it is interesting as
00:20:16.64\00:20:21.21
you are speaking, both of
you have pictures that are
00:20:21.24\00:20:24.81
different. -
watch how this works.
00:20:24.84\00:20:27.23
Michelle is feeling
empty and I'm doing everything
00:20:27.26\00:20:31.90
I can to fill her cup.
00:20:31.93\00:20:33.66
For me - it was
success with your picture.
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That's right, the picture
is for me, she needs to be
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loved and the way I show
her my love is providing more.
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So I work harder, and I
work harder and longer and she
00:20:41.68\00:20:45.23
keeps saying this isn't
working, you just don't love me.
00:20:45.26\00:20:48.60
She can't hear me
saying I love you,
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what do you mean I'm
working all the time, in fact
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I started
working all night long.
00:20:53.16\00:20:54.39
The harder I tried to say I
love you, the less she heard
00:20:54.42\00:20:57.67
it because for her in
order to hear love, I needed
00:20:57.70\00:21:01.26
to spend time with
her. - to hang out with me.
00:21:01.29\00:21:02.89
So the harder I tried to
say it the less she heard it.
00:21:02.92\00:21:05.40
So we are
definitely on a crash course.
00:21:05.43\00:21:08.70
- so on the verge of divorce?
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Yeah I went home and took
all my kids with me to get
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mom and dad's. - how many kids?
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Three, and I took off and
my mom is fabulous in a crises
00:21:16.26\00:21:19.88
and she starts doing all the
right things in nurturing me.
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After about two weeks
Wayne wanted to come and get me.
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I'm to the point were okay,
I don't want to live alone.
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In my own mind it was that
my mom and dad had weathered
00:21:31.66\00:21:34.34
horrendous things and
stuck it out so I've got this
00:21:34.37\00:21:37.61
life commitment that we're
going to stick no matter what.
00:21:37.64\00:21:40.70
So Wayne comes to pick me
up and within just minutes
00:21:40.73\00:21:45.08
it just disintegrates and
hopelessness sets in again.
00:21:45.11\00:21:48.61
He decides I'm going in the
morning, you can either come
00:21:48.64\00:21:54.19
with me or you can stay.
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If you are staying you
are choosing to end this.
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He just went to sleep, we
did sleep in the same bed that
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night but I was tossing
and turning, I could not sleep.
00:22:03.34\00:22:05.54
In my mind it was like God
is not only wrestling with me
00:22:05.57\00:22:09.88
for my marriage,
but for my salvation.
00:22:09.91\00:22:12.34
I felt like I had been
trying and doing all the stuff
00:22:12.37\00:22:15.57
I think God wants me to
do but it isn't working.
00:22:15.60\00:22:18.01
So by morning I came to what
I call, the conversion thing.
00:22:18.04\00:22:23.49
It was like everything that
I think is the right thing to
00:22:23.52\00:22:26.73
do, obviously God I
don't know how to do it.
00:22:26.76\00:22:28.68
Everything is wrong, I
don't know how to do this,
00:22:28.71\00:22:31.63
I really don't know how.
- step one, I'm powerless.
00:22:31.66\00:22:34.62
Yes, and He got me to
that point and then He says,
00:22:34.65\00:22:37.89
just go home with him.
00:22:37.92\00:22:39.54
I remember him asking me
if you never feel loved again
00:22:39.57\00:22:45.03
can I be enough for you?
00:22:45.06\00:22:46.98
It's like okay, okay I'll
go back with this guy that
00:22:47.01\00:22:52.23
doesn't seem to love me at
all and I don't want to break
00:22:52.26\00:22:55.36
my family up either, if he
never loves me like I think
00:22:55.39\00:22:59.05
I need to be loved, God can.
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It was like okay I will go home.
00:23:01.26\00:23:02.59
- I'll learn to
receive it from You.
00:23:02.62\00:23:03.81
So I went, it wasn't very
long before God put people in
00:23:03.84\00:23:08.78
my life, it seemed long
but six months before He placed
00:23:08.81\00:23:14.78
me in a group of women to
mentor me for 21 years now.
00:23:14.82\00:23:19.57
She has been instrumental,
and she had already turned
00:23:19.60\00:23:23.07
around three years before,
and we are very much alike
00:23:23.10\00:23:26.34
and how God will pair you
up with somebody who is like
00:23:26.37\00:23:29.38
you that is farther down
the path, so He can grow you.
00:23:29.42\00:23:33.29
Going back to you for
what you are saying too is the
00:23:33.32\00:23:37.16
fact that both of
you had healing to do.
00:23:37.19\00:23:40.97
God is doing that now
through these women and through
00:23:41.01\00:23:44.30
your commitment to Him.
00:23:44.33\00:23:45.77
You are thinking, I'm
trying to do this image and do
00:23:45.80\00:23:50.46
the right thing
and I really honestly.
00:23:50.50\00:23:52.79
Because when people say I
thought he was such a fake,
00:23:52.83\00:23:56.21
I'm really believe when we
have our pictures up and are
00:23:56.24\00:23:59.59
desperately trying to
be that, we are desperate.
00:23:59.62\00:24:02.56
We think we are supposed
to be that way and we don't
00:24:02.59\00:24:05.49
even know how
many masks we have on.
00:24:05.52\00:24:06.90
All heaven is just
saying please trust me, let go.
00:24:06.93\00:24:11.17
And you know what our
recovery, I think the most
00:24:11.20\00:24:15.40
coolest thing in
recovery is saying to God
00:24:15.43\00:24:18.70
I don't even know how to let go.
00:24:18.74\00:24:20.20
Any 12-step group, any
recovery group with step one,
00:24:20.23\00:24:22.92
I am powerless, I am out
of control, I don't even know
00:24:22.96\00:24:25.46
how to think anymore and
You have to do it for me.
00:24:25.49\00:24:28.48
So it is like being able
to say that with our pictures
00:24:28.52\00:24:31.56
Our images or whatever,
can I surrender that to God?
00:24:31.59\00:24:34.60
So when she is back,
how did you get to a place
00:24:34.64\00:24:39.83
where you said, God.
00:24:39.86\00:24:41.59
It would be nice if the
story was when she decided that
00:24:41.63\00:24:48.06
I decided that
everything was good.
00:24:48.09\00:24:50.01
The first step of recovery
is that I am powerless and
00:24:50.05\00:24:54.84
that means that you
can begin to change.
00:24:54.88\00:24:57.06
So Michelle did, but I didn't.
00:24:57.10\00:24:59.78
I was still determined. -
don't you think it's harder
00:24:59.82\00:25:03.51
for guys because it's a
guy thing to be in control.
00:25:03.54\00:25:08.26
No, sometimes I listen to
men and I think for men that
00:25:08.29\00:25:12.15
we are in a society
where you are supposed to be in
00:25:12.19\00:25:15.23
control, you are supposed
to do it and you are strong.
00:25:15.26\00:25:19.31
So the picture is easier
to create for guys that says
00:25:19.34\00:25:23.35
as a man I am
supposed to be this.
00:25:23.39\00:25:26.19
It is harder to trust God
when He says let the picture go.
00:25:26.22\00:25:29.43
We are not supposed to
need anybody, we are supposed to
00:25:29.47\00:25:32.79
be the provider, we are
not supposed to be weak, we are
00:25:32.82\00:25:35.52
supposed to be the strong
one that can be leaned on.
00:25:35.56\00:25:39.21
So it is hard, and it
took many months, three years.
00:25:39.24\00:25:43.08
Before it began to happen,
and I can't say that there
00:25:43.11\00:25:46.56
was any one night where I
wrestled and came up the next
00:25:46.59\00:25:51.13
morning ahead, but slowly God
began to lead us down a path.
00:25:51.16\00:25:55.66
I guess I would just
encourage guys, the hardest
00:25:55.70\00:26:00.12
one for us to
listen to is our wife.
00:26:00.16\00:26:03.85
I used to refer to what
she was saying as nagging.
00:26:03.89\00:26:08.04
I had a very negative attitude
towards anything she said.
00:26:08.07\00:26:12.00
- Are you ragging on me
again, are you nagging me?
00:26:12.04\00:26:14.02
That's our right will be okay.
00:26:14.06\00:26:16.33
We began to try
different things.
00:26:16.37\00:26:18.58
We went to a couple seminars,
to Bill Goatherds Basic
00:26:18.61\00:26:22.76
Youth Conflicts, we
went to Marriage Encounter.
00:26:22.79\00:26:26.37
It was transforming for us.
00:26:26.41\00:26:28.78
- and why, what did
they say that worked?
00:26:28.81\00:26:31.68
He said there was
no event but there was.
00:26:31.71\00:26:34.81
- men just don't
know. - he can't remember.
00:26:34.85\00:26:37.87
Our business failed and it was
horrible because he had worked
00:26:37.91\00:26:44.68
nonstop, a round-the-clock
for almost 7 years.
00:26:44.71\00:26:48.58
Everything, from what I could
tell, men's self esteem was
00:26:48.62\00:26:52.25
wrapped up in their work and
especially if that is how you
00:26:52.29\00:26:55.89
are showing your
love to your family.
00:26:55.92\00:26:57.71
It's a failed, fail failed
and that was the turning point
00:26:57.75\00:27:02.68
at least where he
started becoming real with me.
00:27:02.72\00:27:06.75
God placed Marriage Encounter
right there at the point of
00:27:06.78\00:27:11.81
brokenness because our
relationship hit the fan
00:27:11.84\00:27:16.07
and there was a major honesty
issues that came forward and God
00:27:16.11\00:27:20.29
transformed, okay I'm
dealing with the real guy now.
00:27:20.32\00:27:24.99
We are transparent, he
is being real with me now.
00:27:25.03\00:27:29.67
- what is
amazing to me about that?
00:27:29.70\00:27:32.02
Because I've known you
guys for just a little bit now,
00:27:32.05\00:27:36.03
a few years I
guess. - 4 or five years.
00:27:36.06\00:27:38.32
How cool is that? You
know the real guys are awesome.
00:27:38.35\00:27:41.35
That is why I think that
we do not even know, even as
00:27:41.38\00:27:45.49
you start dealing with
your stuff is that who you are
00:27:45.53\00:27:48.89
underneath all the mask
are absolutely awesome and
00:27:48.92\00:27:52.25
we think the mask is what works.
00:27:52.28\00:27:53.98
But when you get to see who
he is, you have to have some
00:27:54.02\00:27:57.69
kind of hope then.
00:27:57.73\00:27:59.09
It just turned on a dime
and it was like wow, that is
00:27:59.12\00:28:03.92
the beginning of the
recovery in which recovery
00:28:03.95\00:28:06.35
is painful stuff,
it's painful stuff.
00:28:06.38\00:28:11.55
Except for that hope that
you see the real thing every
00:28:11.59\00:28:16.19
once in a while,
it starts to pervade.
00:28:16.22\00:28:18.32
I remember my friend saying,
like okay are we going to
00:28:18.35\00:28:21.56
be hurting like this,
how long is this going to be?
00:28:21.60\00:28:25.50
She said to me, how long
did it take you to get here?
00:28:25.53\00:28:29.29
It was like eight a half
years plus a dysfunctional
00:28:29.33\00:28:33.06
courtship, so then this is 12.
00:28:33.09\00:28:36.12
And the chocolate
stuff on top of that. - Yes.
00:28:36.16\00:28:37.13
So it's like 8 and 1/2
years, like okay 8 and 1/2 years
00:28:37.14\00:28:41.31
from now we will be
better? She said yeah.
00:28:41.35\00:28:44.20
But it will get
better along the way.
00:28:44.23\00:28:46.87
The Bible said when I
first read the Bible and it said
00:28:46.90\00:28:50.60
count it all joy when
trials, things hit you.
00:28:50.63\00:28:55.99
I'm thinking shut up, I am
not going to count it all joy.
00:28:56.03\00:28:59.64
This is not good and what
is interesting is that God says
00:28:59.68\00:29:03.09
recovery is not easy, but
everything is going to take
00:29:03.12\00:29:06.49
a little bit
more of the mask off.
00:29:06.53\00:29:08.16
You will be real enough walk
your spiritual journey if you
00:29:08.20\00:29:11.97
will allow Me to bring
these things to a head and these
00:29:12.00\00:29:15.73
things will hurt and
don't run away from trials.
00:29:15.77\00:29:20.22
Don't be afraid of them,
don't be afraid of conflict,
00:29:20.25\00:29:22.81
don't be afraid of
recovery because recovery will
00:29:22.84\00:29:25.36
bring everything to you.
00:29:25.40\00:29:27.79
We are going to take a break
because I want to come back
00:29:27.82\00:29:30.84
and finish this story,
but I want to also introduce
00:29:30.87\00:29:34.37
people to your family because
now you have six children and
00:29:34.40\00:29:37.60
God is using you in incredible
ways, He has blessed you.
00:29:37.63\00:29:40.73
So we are going to take
off, but if you have a family
00:29:40.76\00:29:43.78
and haven't gotten into
recovery yet, you are still
00:29:43.81\00:29:46.59
struggling with stuff,
turn it over to God and as for
00:29:46.63\00:29:49.37
the Holy Spirit every day
and let Him start showing you
00:29:49.41\00:29:52.12
things. He's
gentle, He so gentle.
00:29:52.15\00:29:54.73
We will be right back!
00:29:54.76\00:29:56.18
Think you've seen
it all? Think again.
00:30:01.51\00:30:04.26
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00:30:04.29\00:30:08.02
Celebrating Life In
Recovery with more lives
00:30:08.06\00:30:11.76
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00:30:11.79\00:30:14.58
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of reality, Cheri style.
00:30:24.79\00:30:28.21
You know some people
wonder, maybe even on the show.
00:30:42.83\00:30:46.37
We have a show on addictions,
we deal with people from
00:30:46.40\00:30:49.69
horrendous backgrounds, why
do we cover normal families?
00:30:49.73\00:30:52.99
Do you know it is
funny to me about that?
00:30:53.02\00:30:55.09
Most of us are normal families.
00:30:55.13\00:30:58.71
When you talk about drug
addicts in use 2% of society.
00:30:58.75\00:31:02.26
Tiny little percentage,
they may make the most press,
00:31:02.29\00:31:05.03
they may be the most
obvious when you walk down the
00:31:05.06\00:31:08.16
street, but the people
that need recovery are 98%.
00:31:08.19\00:31:11.94
So if we don't cover our
normal stuff, we will stay in
00:31:11.98\00:31:15.17
bondage while the heroine
addict laying in the gutter
00:31:15.21\00:31:18.37
gets recovery, how fair is that?
00:31:18.40\00:31:20.39
God wants all of us to choose
recovery so we are talking
00:31:20.42\00:31:24.37
to a normal family, this
family you heard their stuff on
00:31:24.40\00:31:28.17
the last segment and you
have heard what has not worked
00:31:28.21\00:31:31.50
for them, I'm going to show
you now what works for them.
00:31:31.54\00:31:35.06
We are going to finish up
on the testimony, but they are
00:31:35.10\00:31:38.20
amazing, they are amazing
and God is doing incredible
00:31:38.24\00:31:42.05
things so I'm going to invite
Michelle back to the center
00:31:42.09\00:31:45.53
stage and you know why I'm
going to do it separate this
00:31:45.56\00:31:48.96
time because I want to
hear all this stuff and
00:31:49.00\00:31:50.52
I know with your husband
sitting right next to you.
00:31:50.55\00:31:52.99
You said you did the Marriage
Encounter thing, Wayne was
00:31:53.03\00:31:58.49
saying three years or so
afterwards he still getting it.
00:31:58.53\00:32:03.96
So how did you get
from the Marriage Encounter,
00:32:03.99\00:32:07.27
him becoming real to
where you are today was
00:32:07.30\00:32:10.54
such an incredible family?
00:32:10.58\00:32:12.06
And having people like
me staying at your house?
00:32:12.09\00:32:14.61
He was never going to be a
Pastor and that whole process
00:32:14.64\00:32:19.70
took another breaking.
00:32:19.74\00:32:22.16
The first breaking I
think did it in terms of
00:32:22.19\00:32:24.97
relationships between us
where God start working on our
00:32:25.00\00:32:28.13
relationship with each other.
00:32:28.16\00:32:29.92
So for the next several
many years, He focused on us.
00:32:29.96\00:32:34.77
In the process God gave us
a new business. - more kids?
00:32:34.81\00:32:39.37
Well that was part of the
process, as we got better it
00:32:39.40\00:32:43.40
I wanted a big family, and
I didn't think I could have
00:32:43.43\00:32:46.71
anymore and there were
several factors that contributed
00:32:46.74\00:32:49.98
to that but God
gave me this promise.
00:32:50.02\00:32:51.81
The Holy Spirit gave me
this promise that we would have
00:32:51.84\00:32:54.45
more kids and so I wanted
them right away and God said
00:32:54.48\00:32:57.05
hey, no you need to get well.
00:32:57.09\00:32:59.18
You need to get well but
there will come a time, and
00:32:59.21\00:33:01.71
I remember I didn't even
know I was pregnant with Tyler
00:33:01.74\00:33:04.20
yet, but God had
told me I was and
00:33:04.24\00:33:05.77
He told me he was a boy.
00:33:05.81\00:33:07.35
He gave me this picture,
I didn't know I was going to
00:33:07.38\00:33:10.60
have two more after that
but it was like He started over.
00:33:10.64\00:33:13.44
You had three already? We
had three already and there
00:33:13.47\00:33:16.24
was a six-year break
and we started over again.
00:33:16.28\00:33:18.24
But during that six-year
period of time, God gave us
00:33:18.28\00:33:21.55
another business and there
were principles of financial
00:33:21.59\00:33:24.83
security that God
wanted us to embrace where
00:33:24.87\00:33:29.40
we had failed at the last one.
00:33:29.44\00:33:30.88
As soon as we deviated at
all, God started blessing us.
00:33:30.91\00:33:34.62
Blessing us and blessing
us with our construction.
00:33:34.65\00:33:36.76
As soon as you
deviated God bless you?
00:33:36.79\00:33:38.27
No, as soon as we deviated
we fell off, almost like
00:33:38.30\00:33:44.06
there was a curse right here.
00:33:44.09\00:33:45.72
As long as we were in obedience
we were just right here.
00:33:45.76\00:33:48.73
Hold on for a minute,
did everybody hear that?
00:33:48.76\00:33:51.73
That God has a plan, God
has a direction and knows
00:33:51.77\00:33:54.74
what we need in recovery
and as long as we listen,
00:33:54.77\00:33:58.06
as long as we listened
He can pour into us, He can
00:33:58.10\00:34:01.03
bless us and then all of a
sudden we thank you for all
00:34:01.06\00:34:03.96
that and now I'm
going on my own again.
00:34:04.00\00:34:05.86
Don't do it, don't deviate
because you are saying as
00:34:05.89\00:34:09.16
long as you were there He
so blessed your relationship,
00:34:09.20\00:34:12.43
your family, your business.
00:34:12.47\00:34:14.31
Well we ended up going
through the same thing we did
00:34:14.34\00:34:17.56
the previous time except
it was worse in terms of,
00:34:17.59\00:34:21.54
it was over a long period
of time in fact even today
00:34:21.58\00:34:25.09
we still have things
left over from that that God,
00:34:25.12\00:34:28.27
I know that He is going
to set us free at some point,
00:34:28.31\00:34:31.22
but we are not there yet
and it is still left over.
00:34:31.25\00:34:34.12
But in between
00:34:34.16\00:34:35.84
- He may be afraid to
because you might deviate again.
00:34:35.87\00:34:38.32
I don't want to, I
don't want to deviate.
00:34:38.35\00:34:41.91
One of the principles of
freedom is that when you are
00:34:41.94\00:34:45.31
breaking, and you are the
generation that breaks it,
00:34:45.34\00:34:49.42
for me it's your family
life and there are fruits of
00:34:49.45\00:34:53.09
dysfunction and you can
stand in denial if you want.
00:34:53.13\00:34:56.69
But if you look at the fruit
of your family relationships
00:34:56.73\00:34:59.12
are they healthy,
or are they broken.
00:34:59.15\00:35:01.51
We can look at people in
church where their children have
00:35:01.55\00:35:03.92
totally left the church
and they were no longer in.
00:35:03.96\00:35:06.80
Or they had no relationship
with them here, our leaders
00:35:06.84\00:35:10.19
in the church whose children
never come home, we have
00:35:10.22\00:35:13.15
never met them, or if they
did they never stay with them
00:35:13.18\00:35:15.75
and it is like what is
going on here? I don't get this.
00:35:15.79\00:35:18.32
We don't want that, we
want healthy relationships.
00:35:18.35\00:35:21.57
In my own family those things
that were broken, I want it
00:35:21.61\00:35:24.58
fixed and I know
that it starts with me.
00:35:24.61\00:35:27.44
It starts with me. - but
wait, don't you know that is
00:35:27.48\00:35:30.51
the biggest, absolutely
the biggest thing to learn.
00:35:30.55\00:35:33.51
As soon as I can realize that
it is not about anyone else,
00:35:33.54\00:35:37.38
it is about me the Holy
Spirit and God empowers me to
00:35:37.41\00:35:40.79
make a change,
because I can't change right?
00:35:40.82\00:35:43.85
Right. - you can't change Wayne.
00:35:43.88\00:35:45.53
Those three years were me
changing me and then from that
00:35:45.57\00:35:49.40
point on he got it,
like him changing him.
00:35:49.43\00:35:52.35
Then we started working
on us changing us together.
00:35:52.39\00:35:56.65
The lid in any church,
we believe in terms of the
00:35:56.68\00:36:00.87
leadership, how Jesus says
you never raise higher then
00:36:00.91\00:36:05.48
your Master, if the Master
gets persecuted so will you.
00:36:05.52\00:36:09.62
So in terms of our relationship,
it is like we have to
00:36:09.66\00:36:13.52
get it, we are this umbrella
covering over our children.
00:36:13.55\00:36:17.12
If we have holes in our
umbrellas they are going to get
00:36:17.15\00:36:20.76
hit, so we have watched as
each one of them, as we have
00:36:20.79\00:36:24.36
sealed up the holes
in our own character.
00:36:24.39\00:36:27.09
God showing us, walking
through it, healing us, they
00:36:27.12\00:36:30.90
haven't even had to
deal with the things we did.
00:36:30.94\00:36:34.65
If you look at the story,
one of my favorite stories is
00:36:34.69\00:36:38.59
the story of Joseph, because
it is right there at Joseph
00:36:38.62\00:36:42.49
the dysfunction that has
been coming down for four
00:36:42.52\00:36:45.21
generations hits the fan
and someone who is relatively
00:36:45.25\00:36:48.47
innocent of wrongdoing ends
up carrying the family pain.
00:36:48.51\00:36:51.70
Yet God does
amazing things through him,
00:36:51.74\00:36:57.19
He creates a nation of
holy people that God wants
00:36:57.22\00:37:00.27
to use for all eternity.
00:37:00.30\00:37:02.46
So as we did this, as we
are getting well God is going
00:37:02.49\00:37:06.55
to do this for us and
sometimes He will not even visit
00:37:06.59\00:37:10.62
the iniquity of
our sins upon them.
00:37:10.65\00:37:13.17
We have watched relationally
each one of our kids dating.
00:37:13.21\00:37:17.19
So we are going
to meet your kids.
00:37:17.23\00:37:19.97
First I want Wayne to
come end some things with you.
00:37:20.00\00:37:23.21
Michelle I'm going to
cover, we are going to talk in a
00:37:23.25\00:37:25.75
whole other the show, were
going to do a whole show with
00:37:25.79\00:37:28.26
you and I, because I
just think we should. - okay.
00:37:28.29\00:37:32.56
Wayne come on, and what is
really fun to me I heard you
00:37:32.59\00:37:39.25
say at the beginning of
this show, I am not going
00:37:39.29\00:37:42.54
to be a Pastor. - that is right.
00:37:42.57\00:37:44.48
So you went to the marriage
seminar and all that stuff,
00:37:44.52\00:37:47.88
how did you get from
that to being real with her,
00:37:47.91\00:37:50.66
to being a Pastor?
00:37:50.69\00:37:51.66
We began to get
involved in Marriage Encounter.
00:37:51.67\00:37:58.86
After we went to and Marriage
Encounter we wanted to be
00:37:58.89\00:38:02.58
part of that process and
so we became part of the team.
00:38:02.61\00:38:06.27
You started
teaching? Yeah. - oh shut up.
00:38:06.30\00:38:09.21
How funny is that, don't
you think as dysfunctional as we
00:38:09.24\00:38:11.95
get an all of a sudden we
start teaching what we learn.
00:38:11.98\00:38:14.66
Can you answer me
honestly one thing?
00:38:14.69\00:38:17.32
Do you teach it because you
no longer have any struggles?
00:38:17.36\00:38:20.60
No, in fact what Marriage
Encounter is sharing your
00:38:20.63\00:38:24.98
struggles with other couples
and challenging them to try
00:38:25.02\00:38:28.43
to use the same tools you used.
00:38:28.46\00:38:30.04
What you are saying is
I'm still growing and still
00:38:30.08\00:38:32.74
learning and here is
what I am doing, try it.
00:38:32.77\00:38:35.12
They try it and it is a
process that we work together.
00:38:35.16\00:38:38.12
It works
awesome, it really does.
00:38:38.16\00:38:40.73
I guess the reason I ask
you that is that sometimes when
00:38:40.77\00:38:43.98
somebody says you know what?
00:38:44.02\00:38:45.54
I struggled with this and
give it to God and the next day
00:38:45.57\00:38:49.23
my whole life was fine, I'm
thinking I want to kick them.
00:38:49.26\00:38:52.89
That is so not fair
because my life isn't fine.
00:38:52.92\00:38:56.09
Not that it's not fine, I
love life but every day I do
00:38:56.13\00:38:59.73
the right thing now
hopefully, most of the time.
00:38:59.76\00:39:02.40
I turn it over to
God and use the tools
00:39:02.44\00:39:05.37
He has taught me, or
whatever I call somebody, is not
00:39:05.41\00:39:08.98
that they don't come up.
00:39:09.01\00:39:10.69
You begin to hear His voice,
and more and more often you
00:39:10.73\00:39:14.35
answer that directives,
turn to the left or turn to
00:39:14.38\00:39:18.32
the right, or keep on.
00:39:18.35\00:39:20.26
So more and more
you get more healthy.
00:39:20.30\00:39:22.66
Scripture says that in any
generation, Scripture talks
00:39:22.69\00:39:27.14
about generational sins
that we continue to process from
00:39:27.17\00:39:30.52
one generation to the next
and if you look around you in
00:39:30.56\00:39:33.87
the world today you
know that every generation is
00:39:33.90\00:39:37.04
getting worse, we are
on this downhill slide.
00:39:37.07\00:39:40.11
But Scripture is also
very clear that it can turn
00:39:40.15\00:39:43.11
in any one generation, all
we have to do is decide this
00:39:43.15\00:39:46.69
is the generation
where it is going to stop.
00:39:46.73\00:39:50.34
The next generation
can be better, not worse.
00:39:50.38\00:39:53.96
They can actually
get closer and closer.
00:39:54.00\00:39:56.29
- you decided
that for your family?
00:39:56.32\00:39:58.66
It's going to stop with
me. - yeah, well probably at
00:39:58.70\00:40:02.74
the beginning, not even
purposely we were hurting so
00:40:02.78\00:40:06.79
much we knew we
had to do something.
00:40:06.82\00:40:08.05
We were either going to
live for ever in pain or you're
00:40:08.09\00:40:10.80
going to have to do better,
and it's God began to heal
00:40:10.84\00:40:13.42
us I remember praying
especially when we were in the
00:40:13.45\00:40:15.99
depths of despair,
Lord we need to be healed.
00:40:16.03\00:40:19.90
But the other thing is as
if there's any way that this
00:40:19.94\00:40:22.94
pain can be used for good
somewhere down the line that
00:40:22.97\00:40:25.94
would be really awesome.
00:40:25.97\00:40:27.27
- it's going to
be used right now.
00:40:27.30\00:40:29.15
Well He's been awesome
and incredible God. - Amen!
00:40:29.18\00:40:33.03
So what is going to be
amazing to me is to meet
00:40:33.06\00:40:36.40
your kids, and I want
to ask you has this stuff
00:40:36.44\00:40:39.74
affected them at all?
00:40:39.77\00:40:41.38
Like we're going
to meet Lawren first.
00:40:41.42\00:40:43.11
Has and is, it never stops.
00:40:43.15\00:40:48.33
I think that anyone
that says I got it, they are
00:40:48.36\00:40:51.40
deciding that God has
done enough in their life and
00:40:51.44\00:40:54.44
they don't want
anymore of His blessing.
00:40:54.48\00:40:56.25
God continues all the time.
00:40:56.29\00:40:58.30
Just recently Lawren came
in our room one night and she
00:40:58.33\00:41:05.02
was pretty stressed
about an issue in her life.
00:41:05.05\00:41:07.81
She asked as what we
thought she should do.
00:41:07.85\00:41:10.54
It would really be cool
to be the parents like father
00:41:10.57\00:41:13.35
knows best or
something, but it doesn't work.
00:41:13.39\00:41:16.08
- but don't you want
it to? - I want it to.
00:41:16.12\00:41:18.75
What we did was challenge
her to go to bed that night
00:41:18.78\00:41:22.52
and pray and then journal.
00:41:22.56\00:41:24.65
Just wait and see
what God says to her.
00:41:24.69\00:41:27.95
The next morning I remember
her saying, that she felt
00:41:27.99\00:41:31.61
God had revealed some things
to her but not necessarily
00:41:31.65\00:41:35.24
having to do with what
we've are talking about,
00:41:35.28\00:41:37.77
or what her questions were.
00:41:37.80\00:41:39.95
We said well is it significant?
00:41:39.98\00:41:42.05
She said no it is so
small it doesn't really matter.
00:41:42.09\00:41:45.50
We convinced her, coaxed
her to share with us exactly
00:41:45.53\00:41:48.90
what it was.
00:41:48.94\00:41:50.41
What she said was, He
had revealed to her that from
00:41:50.44\00:41:54.78
a very young girl she
decided she wanted to be older
00:41:54.82\00:41:59.12
then she was, and
she wanted to be a boy.
00:41:59.15\00:42:03.28
Where did that come from?
Lawren has an older brother.
00:42:03.31\00:42:08.09
She wanted to be able
to go to work with me.
00:42:08.12\00:42:12.02
I would like
Christopher come to work.
00:42:12.05\00:42:14.28
- so you had spent a lot
of time with him. - yeah.
00:42:14.32\00:42:16.70
She wanted to come to
work and I wouldn't let Lawren
00:42:16.73\00:42:18.93
come to work because she
was a girl and she wasn't old
00:42:18.96\00:42:21.12
enough, he was two years older.
00:42:21.16\00:42:22.98
So this innocent lie in
her head was that if she was
00:42:23.01\00:42:27.19
older and a boy I
would love her more.
00:42:27.22\00:42:29.56
Lawren and I have had a
great relationship, I think.
00:42:29.60\00:42:32.51
You could ask her, but
I think we've had a great
00:42:32.55\00:42:35.39
relationship but there
was still something that Satan
00:42:35.42\00:42:38.56
tried to use in her mind
to destroy her, to change her
00:42:38.59\00:42:41.69
identity, and to
hold her from being free.
00:42:41.73\00:42:44.96
What God did that night
was reveal it and now we are
00:42:44.99\00:42:47.84
walking through the process
of me saying over and over,
00:42:47.87\00:42:50.69
I'm sorry and I love you.
00:42:50.72\00:42:53.09
In the recovery process,
which I think is amazing,
00:42:53.12\00:42:55.71
we think of recovery
is just drugs and alcohol.
00:42:55.75\00:42:58.26
In the recovery process
any lie that Satan has told us,
00:42:58.30\00:43:01.60
anything that has damaged
us God wants to bring it to
00:43:01.63\00:43:05.06
light, not only to bring
it to life but for you to see
00:43:05.09\00:43:08.48
a lie of it and
choose life, choose healing.
00:43:08.52\00:43:11.63
That is the healing,
it is recognizing the lie,
00:43:11.66\00:43:14.84
accepting the truth from
Jesus and allowing Him to
00:43:14.88\00:43:18.02
speak to us who we are in Him.
00:43:18.05\00:43:21.30
What's interesting is
that before your journey to
00:43:21.33\00:43:24.84
recovery, before you
were standing up and trying to
00:43:24.87\00:43:27.80
figure out who you are
truly as a man of God and stay
00:43:27.84\00:43:30.74
present and stay real,
00:43:30.77\00:43:32.59
you wouldn't
have hurt her? - no.
00:43:32.62\00:43:34.41
Had you not been working
hundred miles an hour, because
00:43:34.45\00:43:36.59
the workaholism wish you
were trying to do this image
00:43:36.63\00:43:38.74
and you couldn't have hurt her?
00:43:38.77\00:43:41.66
I believe the greatest healing
power for people today is
00:43:41.69\00:43:47.17
if the parent can say to
their child how have I hurt you?
00:43:47.21\00:43:52.59
And then to hear them. I
can't tell you how many kids
00:43:52.63\00:43:57.25
come and say I wish they
would say that, but they are not
00:43:57.29\00:44:01.87
going to, and they don't.
00:44:01.91\00:44:03.66
But they still have to try
and find healing without that.
00:44:03.69\00:44:05.58
But if the parent could
say that their kids and listen
00:44:05.61\00:44:09.37
and simply say no
defense, I did it and I'm sorry.
00:44:09.41\00:44:13.14
Forgive me, I do love
you, what can we do from here?
00:44:13.17\00:44:16.40
What is really interesting
to me when you say that
00:44:16.44\00:44:19.63
because I hear
that from kids too..
00:44:19.66\00:44:21.27
It's even been able to say
to the parent is it doesn't
00:44:21.30\00:44:25.13
even have to be the way
was caught because you didn't
00:44:25.16\00:44:28.96
love your son more than Lawren.
00:44:28.99\00:44:30.51
It was just a lie they came
into her head because of what
00:44:30.54\00:44:33.95
she saw, so it is their
perception and you don't have to
00:44:33.98\00:44:37.36
defend on what it was.
00:44:37.39\00:44:38.93
Just to be able to
love them, I'm sorry.
00:44:38.96\00:44:40.77
You know that I love you.
00:44:40.80\00:44:42.97
What I love about your
healing is that it reflects on
00:44:43.01\00:44:47.47
everybody around you,
and even in our relationship.
00:44:47.50\00:44:51.89
When I met you the fact
that you are learning to walk as
00:44:51.93\00:44:55.42
a man of God present, I get
to be as your sister in Christ
00:44:55.45\00:44:58.91
I get to be a reciprocal
of that, I get to feel your
00:44:58.94\00:45:03.06
journey and I know that
you are not perfect now.
00:45:03.09\00:45:07.14
And I love you more, you
and Michelle I love you more.
00:45:07.17\00:45:11.80
I love you more as I
learn about you guys.
00:45:11.84\00:45:12.95
So are going to have Lawren
come up, Lawren come on up.
00:45:12.99\00:45:16.02
Lawren, when I first met
you I saw this incredibly
00:45:16.06\00:45:21.16
beautiful child that has
these incredible parents.
00:45:21.19\00:45:26.26
So now he is telling
me about you as a child.
00:45:26.29\00:45:29.15
How are you dealing with
that and what was it like to be
00:45:29.19\00:45:31.94
able to take it to them?
00:45:31.97\00:45:33.63
It was weird
because my dad is my hero.
00:45:33.66\00:45:37.12
We always want to
pass blame to our moms,
00:45:37.16\00:45:40.58
I think for girls.
00:45:40.62\00:45:42.19
So I didn't tell them right
away because I didn't want it
00:45:42.22\00:45:46.01
to be my dad's fault, but
I finally did and I was in
00:45:46.05\00:45:50.50
Greece and he'd
called me on the phone.
00:45:50.53\00:45:52.98
Or like ever since then
he's been calling me and say I'm
00:45:53.01\00:45:55.89
so glad you are a girl,
I love you, over and over.
00:45:55.93\00:45:58.74
I say dad it is okay,
it's alright, it's alright.
00:45:58.78\00:46:01.52
Once I figured it out I
realized it had such an effect
00:46:01.56\00:46:06.40
because I always was
trying not to do girly things.
00:46:06.44\00:46:11.21
I did want to like dolls
because that was a girly thing.
00:46:11.25\00:46:14.49
I do not talk about my feelings
because that is a stereo
00:46:14.52\00:46:17.73
typical girl thing so
was trying to avoid all those
00:46:17.76\00:46:20.59
different things and now
I'm realizing, like okay God
00:46:20.63\00:46:23.42
wants me to be a girl.
00:46:23.45\00:46:25.67
It's okay to be emotional
and whatever else girls are
00:46:25.71\00:46:29.69
supposed to do. - you
were so detached from that.
00:46:29.73\00:46:32.52
It was like I don't
even know what that means.
00:46:32.55\00:46:35.27
So you have to really ask
God, how am I going to be that?
00:46:35.31\00:46:39.46
I don't how to be
that anymore. - exactly!
00:46:39.49\00:46:42.27
You look like a
girly girl. - thanks.
00:46:42.31\00:46:45.28
Which is good, so what I
want to say to you is that you
00:46:45.31\00:46:49.10
are Andrews
University, a theology major.
00:46:49.13\00:46:51.97
Talk a little bit about
that, that is so hip to me.
00:46:52.01\00:46:56.03
It's hip it's great I
would take you anywhere on the
00:46:56.07\00:46:59.68
planet to deal with youth
with me. - okay, let's go.
00:46:59.72\00:47:03.29
You're almost out
of school? - yeah.
00:47:03.33\00:47:05.06
So why did you choose theology?
00:47:05.10\00:47:06.65
When I had graduated from
high school I had no idea what
00:47:06.69\00:47:09.97
I wanted to do, I just
figured I'd go into education
00:47:10.00\00:47:13.25
because then I
could get summers off.
00:47:13.29\00:47:15.24
So okay I'm going
to go to be a teacher.
00:47:15.27\00:47:17.15
- so you wonder summers
off? Yeah then you can do what
00:47:17.19\00:47:20.36
you want so I went to Union
College for a year and then
00:47:20.39\00:47:23.53
took a year off and
start teaching school and then
00:47:23.56\00:47:26.03
I came back I went
to New Mexico teaching
00:47:26.06\00:47:29.58
at this Indian Reservation.
00:47:29.62\00:47:32.18
I realize the next day,
some girls taught one day and
00:47:32.22\00:47:35.05
then we'd switch and
the next day I was painting.
00:47:35.08\00:47:37.84
We painted their cafeteria
and I thought I would rather
00:47:37.88\00:47:41.46
be painting this building
then in there dealing with
00:47:41.49\00:47:44.81
kids and stuff, I don't
want kids to go home and feel
00:47:44.84\00:47:48.12
that they are
draining their teacher.
00:47:48.15\00:47:49.78
I did want to have that
effect on them saw I was like
00:47:49.81\00:47:53.09
I need to get out of
this I can't, it's not right.
00:47:53.13\00:47:56.34
So I called my parents,
and they always knew what Chris
00:47:56.37\00:48:02.16
was going to do they always
knew what am I supposed to do?
00:48:02.20\00:48:06.45
Oh I was supposed to do
something medical, they probably
00:48:06.49\00:48:10.70
know what you
guys are going to do.
00:48:10.74\00:48:12.21
You will not accept it
right away, but they always knew
00:48:12.24\00:48:16.02
and I was okay guys I'm
not going to be a teacher.
00:48:16.05\00:48:18.00
What am I supposed to do?
I'm just going to do what you
00:48:18.03\00:48:20.77
tell me, they had no idea.
00:48:20.80\00:48:23.12
So for the next semester of
school I took some art classes
00:48:23.15\00:48:26.76
and stuff but. - you
are an incredible artist.
00:48:26.80\00:48:29.92
Yeah, well God is
helping with that, I don't know,
00:48:29.96\00:48:33.05
I just like it.
00:48:33.08\00:48:34.31
For the next semester I
just prayed and prayed, God show
00:48:34.35\00:48:37.76
me what You
want me to do because
00:48:37.79\00:48:40.16
I picked the wrong thing
and I realized right away that
00:48:40.19\00:48:43.10
I was in the wrong school.
00:48:43.14\00:48:44.59
God wanted me to go to Andrews
and I had gone to the wrong
00:48:44.62\00:48:46.83
place so that backfired and
a lot of things happened that
00:48:46.87\00:48:50.02
I could have avoided
if I had listened to Him.
00:48:50.06\00:48:51.94
So for the semester I just
pray and God wasn't answering
00:48:51.98\00:48:54.95
me, I knew I was suppose
to go to Andrews but I didn't
00:48:54.98\00:48:57.92
know what I was suppose to take.
00:48:57.96\00:49:00.02
I love mission trips, and
I saw this sign for a mission
00:49:00.06\00:49:03.80
trip to Africa, and I was
like awe I want to go to Africa.
00:49:03.83\00:49:06.98
I got so excited, and I
went in there and there were so
00:49:07.02\00:49:10.37
many kids that wanted to
go and only 20 or so could go.
00:49:10.41\00:49:13.80
So he had us write a
letter of why we wanted to go.
00:49:13.84\00:49:17.16
I said I wanted to get out
of my box and do something for
00:49:17.20\00:49:20.47
God and going out of the
country makes me open up.
00:49:20.51\00:49:24.76
Because I'm a shy person
typically, so I had to write,
00:49:24.80\00:49:28.67
and I wasn't trying to
sell myself to go on this trip,
00:49:28.70\00:49:32.53
I was just saying I
want to go to Africa.
00:49:32.57\00:49:35.28
You're honestly just
saying, this is who I am and
00:49:35.32\00:49:38.00
I so want to go.
00:49:38.04\00:49:39.51
Yeah I was just saying I
want to go, I wasn't trying to
00:49:39.54\00:49:43.21
sell it and the wrote us
back and they had picked me and
00:49:43.24\00:49:46.52
it ended up being only 20
people that had been actually
00:49:46.56\00:49:49.80
able to follow through with it.
00:49:49.84\00:49:51.32
So they picked us and I was
sitting in the meeting after
00:49:51.36\00:49:54.87
I was picked and as
they were talking I realized,
00:49:54.90\00:49:58.22
because Alissa my
sister had gone on a trip
00:49:58.25\00:50:00.33
with the same group.
00:50:00.37\00:50:01.46
She had worked with
kids, I like playing with kids,
00:50:01.50\00:50:03.93
I like working with
kids, so I can do that.
00:50:03.96\00:50:06.91
I can sing and help with
art projects or whatever.
00:50:06.94\00:50:09.73
As he was talking, about
what in the world because the
00:50:09.77\00:50:12.97
guy was saying we will
have our own churches, our own
00:50:13.00\00:50:16.45
groups and we're going to
speak, we are the speakers.
00:50:16.49\00:50:19.95
And I thought I'm going
to be speaking by myself?
00:50:19.98\00:50:23.41
Like excuse me
I'm not that somebody.
00:50:23.44\00:50:25.93
Yeah as we were already
picked, you are going to go and
00:50:25.96\00:50:28.93
afterwards I went to my
room and I was like God,
00:50:28.97\00:50:31.07
what are You doing?
00:50:31.11\00:50:33.52
So I figured if God chose
me of all those people that it
00:50:33.55\00:50:37.74
was going to work
out and it would be fine.
00:50:37.77\00:50:39.13
So I looked on the website
and it said my Church group,
00:50:39.16\00:50:42.91
It has an
estimated number of people.
00:50:42.95\00:50:44.61
It was 700 people. - no
way. - I was like, I was
00:50:44.64\00:50:48.70
freaking out, but okay
God wants me to go because
00:50:48.74\00:50:52.73
He picked me so if something
is that clear and you get
00:50:52.76\00:50:55.17
chosen out of all these
people, and you weren't even
00:50:55.20\00:50:57.08
trying and God
wants that for you.
00:50:57.12\00:51:00.40
It really is a loud
message. I am so in control.
00:51:00.44\00:51:04.45
God is saying, I am so
in control. Don't be afraid.
00:51:04.48\00:51:07.89
So I went through all the
sermons and was practicing
00:51:07.93\00:51:11.30
on my little
brothers and sisters.
00:51:11.34\00:51:13.00
- were they saved? -
yeah, they all came forward
00:51:13.03\00:51:17.15
during my call
and so I got ready.
00:51:17.19\00:51:21.14
We went and I met my Pastor,
and I looked younger than
00:51:21.18\00:51:25.23
I am, which didn't
help with the issue
00:51:25.26\00:51:27.37
of me being younger.
00:51:27.41\00:51:28.94
I went and I was a girl
and he was this accomplished
00:51:28.97\00:51:32.34
Pastor and had nine
churches and was looking
00:51:32.38\00:51:34.66
at me like what! I know
he was judging me right away.
00:51:34.69\00:51:38.79
I was nervous, so we went
to my church site and they
00:51:38.83\00:51:42.86
started talking, well we
can't meet in the church because
00:51:42.90\00:51:46.37
there is about 2500
people and on Sabbath we can't.
00:51:46.40\00:51:48.93
I was like wait, what, there
was like 2000 people over on
00:51:48.97\00:51:54.42
Sabbath and weekends for
church, they have like 2000
00:51:54.46\00:51:58.40
people and I was freaking out.
00:51:58.43\00:52:00.80
I had that verse, "I can
do all things through Christ
00:52:00.84\00:52:03.40
"which strengthens me. "
00:52:03.44\00:52:04.94
I was like okay, God has
a purpose and I am supposed
00:52:04.98\00:52:08.10
to be here so I was
nervous and I was visualizing,
00:52:08.14\00:52:11.42
because they had the church
set up and all the benches
00:52:11.46\00:52:14.71
were up the hill.
00:52:14.74\00:52:16.47
I was picturing it
like the benches being full.
00:52:16.50\00:52:19.23
I was like okay that's
not so bad, I can do it.
00:52:19.26\00:52:21.92
So the first night came and
I got so excited I was sitting
00:52:21.96\00:52:28.68
up there, you would
kneel down and pray and I kept
00:52:28.72\00:52:31.47
looking up wondering when
they were done because every
00:52:31.50\00:52:34.22
once in awhile everyone
would say Amen together.
00:52:34.26\00:52:36.18
So it's like we'll were
done, oh we're not done.
00:52:36.21\00:52:38.45
How about my head
because I didn't know because
00:52:38.49\00:52:40.65
they say Amen like five
times before they are actually
00:52:40.69\00:52:42.46
done with the prayer.
00:52:42.50\00:52:43.89
So I was like get me
ready I'm ready to preach this,
00:52:43.92\00:52:47.67
maybe just to get it over
with because we had like 19
00:52:47.70\00:52:51.41
sermons in 16 days
or something like that.
00:52:51.45\00:52:54.29
So I was all excited and
afterward everyone had gone home
00:52:54.33\00:52:58.24
and I was sitting and taking
it all in, like the adrenaline.
00:52:58.28\00:53:02.16
I had never spoken up in
front, I did a children's story
00:53:02.20\00:53:05.31
once because I
had to for a class.
00:53:05.35\00:53:07.63
I took public speaking in
my freshman year of college
00:53:07.67\00:53:10.88
and I hated it, I
would get so nervous.
00:53:10.91\00:53:13.16
So I was sitting up in
the church building that they
00:53:13.19\00:53:16.21
didn't use and I was
sitting with that Pastor
00:53:16.24\00:53:18.99
and he said you're
going to be a preacher like
00:53:19.03\00:53:21.75
your dad. I was like no I
am not but I will take the
00:53:21.79\00:53:25.26
compliment because I
knew he was thinking this is
00:53:25.29\00:53:28.73
a girl and she can't do this.
00:53:28.76\00:53:30.54
What he doesn't know is
that girls are powerful.
00:53:30.58\00:53:32.54
I want to introduce you
to the rest of the family.
00:53:32.57\00:53:35.17
We are out of time so you
are just going to see them.
00:53:35.21\00:53:37.78
They are amazing,
Katie, come up first.
00:53:37.81\00:53:39.60
And Katie if you were in
a ministry what would it be?
00:53:41.72\00:53:44.54
Probably with little
kids. - you love little kids?
00:53:44.57\00:53:47.36
- yeah. - that it's amazing.
00:53:47.39\00:53:49.36
Okay go ahead and have
a seat, but give me a hug.
00:53:49.40\00:53:52.14
When you get into ministry,
after graduation I want you
00:53:52.17\00:53:56.41
to come work with us.
00:53:56.44\00:53:58.23
I want to introduce you
to Nicholas, Nicholas you are
00:53:58.26\00:54:01.72
fabulous, you are an
artist, you are funny, you love
00:54:01.75\00:54:05.17
horses just like me,
I love all that stuff.
00:54:05.21\00:54:08.10
Tyler you are at and
Academy in Minnesota.
00:54:08.14\00:54:10.83
Your dad says you're
going to be a Pastor,
00:54:10.87\00:54:13.53
but you said no way.
00:54:13.56\00:54:15.74
Absolutely no way and I
hope you guys heard everything
00:54:15.77\00:54:20.52
we said, starting out with
all the struggles and trying
00:54:20.56\00:54:25.30
to figure out who
they are even as parents.
00:54:25.33\00:54:27.55
Then coming in with the
right relationship with each
00:54:27.59\00:54:30.36
other, with God, raising
their family in ways that
00:54:30.39\00:54:33.79
every family member decides
that they are going to get
00:54:33.83\00:54:37.19
into ministry in someway.
00:54:37.23\00:54:38.82
Maybe some not even deciding
yet but God is working on
00:54:38.85\00:54:41.83
them and they
have such a cool home.
00:54:41.86\00:54:44.20
So I want to say if
you think you are normal,
00:54:44.24\00:54:47.31
check out the fruits
like Michelle was saying.
00:54:47.35\00:54:50.35
How is your family going
and if they are not quite right
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ask the Holy Spirit to
come into your life and show you
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what is not right and
turn it over to God and live
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a life victoriously in recovery.
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The Bible says the best of
the best of us are like filthy
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rags, and I so believe that.
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I think right now what I
would like you to remember is
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that God wants freedom
in recovery for all of us.
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So stay tuned and
we will be right back.
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On the break Lawren was
talking about the worst thing
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she ever did, and of
course that gets my attention.
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I'm thinking she's adorable,
her parents are adorable and
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they are this healthy family
and she says that she stole
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some cookies, or a cookie.
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I'm thinking what? She
said yes about five years later
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she called them up and
had to apologize because her
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conscience was too overwhelming.
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I laughed my head off because
I thought how cool is that
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going into this family and
the background they came from,
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knowing what they dealt
with in their lives and I know
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even their childhood before
all this stuff happened that
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you heard about, and
then they had children that
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the worse they
did was steal cookie.
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I love that and God is so good.
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Pastor Wayne talked about
during the break too which was
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way cool about how we all
strive to have these normal
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families, or we say
that, but normal nowadays
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is dysfunctional.
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Normal is that you are
overwhelmed with financial
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stuff, and sexual
addictions, and anger, and
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perfectionism,
and all that junk.
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I think we have to stop
being normal, I think we have to
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step away and say God
I want to be incredible.
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It reminds me of Jeremiah,
there is a prophet in the Bible
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Named Jeremiah and God tells
him I want you to go to the
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Potter's house and watch
him because there is a spiritual
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lesson here and
so Jeremiah goes.
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The Potter has this clay
on this wheel and he is loving
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it, he is building
this clay up and making
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this incredible piece out of it.
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It's getting pretty good
sized, but there is an impurity
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in the clay that
he cannot work out.
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He can't work it out so he
can't build it up anymore so
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Potter get so
frustrated he can't do anymore.
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So Jeremiah is getting anxious
wondering what he is going
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to do, is he going
to throw the clay away?
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He got a sense
that the clay was us.
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He was like don't throw
it away, the Potter doesn't.
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The Potter takes it all
way back down to a small ball
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and he makes a little
bowl, a small vessel out of it.
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And God said, I can make
you do something incredible.
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You can have an incredible life.
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You can be an incredible
vessel, or you can be taken back
00:57:59.74\00:58:02.88
down and made something
simpler if you can't work your
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stuff out and I'm
thinking work it out.
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The only secret to
working it out, it's not Prozac.
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Even though I don't
have anything against Prozac.
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It is the Holy
Spirit and it is God.
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So get it, get it and
turned over and ask Him.
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I want to say thanks for
joining us and we will see you
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again next week, always
remember that God is crazy
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about you and me too.
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