Welcome to
Celebrating Life In Recovery
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I'm Cheri your host.
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What is going on today
worker and decide if just say no
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is the ticket.
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I believe if you get this your
recovery from whatever, drugs,
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alcohol, porn addictions, well
any kind of sexual addictions,
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eating disorders,
cutting self-mutilation and the
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cleaner addictions, and
I mean cleaner addictions
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the ones we accept.
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Workaholism, perfectionism,
religious addictions will be
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easier and you will be blessed.
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You have to stay
with us come and join us.
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Abstinence, stopping
addictive behavior or what ever
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the hurt, hang-up our habits
are that keeps you locked up.
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With whatever, alcohol,
food, addiction, shoplifting,
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sexual addictions, porn
addictions, online addictions,
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spending too much, workaholism,
injury, cutting, burning.
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Let's look at some of the nicer
ones, religious addictions,
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gossip, depression, anger,
critical spirit, perfectionism.
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Did I say perfectionist,
I don't know if anybody has
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that one but I have seen
it out there, controlling,
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lying, cheating,
abstinence is just the half,
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one half of the first step.
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Don't you hate
that? I hate that!
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When I stopped using heroin,
I was a heroin addict for
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10 years, from
13 to 23 years old.
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When I stop using
heroin I thought you know what,
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everything is going to
turn around, everything
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is going to be good.
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I didn't even think when I
stopped everything else would
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float nicely to the surface.
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You know when the
water kind of settles and
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everything can float up.
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I had no idea that I would
have to work with character
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issues and the fact that
as an addict I had learned
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all kinds of things so I
had to look at all the things
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I've learned as an addict.
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Then I had to look all
the things I learned prior to
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becoming an addict that
predisposed me to step into
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that life,
dysfunctional childhood,
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stopped being
loved and all that.
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I thought no way, no way
I'm just stopping the addiction
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is one half of the first step.
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Don't you hate that? I
thought when I stopped heroin
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I would be fine.
Everything would be perfect.
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People told me that, I'm
heroin addict and you just need
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to stop doing drugs.
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I stopped doing drugs
and everything started coming
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to the surface. I had
junk in every single pocket.
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If people say you have skeletons
in your closet I thought
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I need to bring these guys
out and teach them to dance.
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Because we are in trouble
and I am thinking okay I have
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character stuff that is huge.
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I'm manipulative and I lie
and I have been on the streets
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forever and I
don't know how to behave.
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The first time somebody
invited me to dinner, I didn't
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know how to eat with
someone and my palms sweat.
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I had no idea about
those kind of things.
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The drugs were nothing
compared to the things I had to
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learn in my life,
and I just hated that.
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I absolutely hate it that
is when we stopped looking at
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drug addiction and all the
behavioral things that come
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with drugs addiction I
started looking at my childhood
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stuff, my parents were addicts.
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The language I learned in
my home, emotional spiritual
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language I learned
at home was tweaked.
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It was just tweaked, so
to decide you were in trouble
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and have to stop the
behavior that is killing you is
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important but it
is not everything.
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I heard someone say once
it was like buying a ticket to
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a theater, but
it's not the movie.
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If you know what I mean, I
need the ticket, I need to stop,
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but it is not the rest of
the thing, the rest of the deal
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is going to take time.
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I remember when God
showed me I didn't trust anyone,
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no one and how it hit me as
I fell in love to an incredible
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guy, I'm a heroin addict
and homeless for 10 years and
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my family are
addicts, everybody's addicts.
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My husband was a Boy
Scout until he was 18 years old.
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I thought so you
were a geek then?
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You are homeless and an
addict what is wrong with you?
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His dad was an ambassador
for the United States and his
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mom is a violinist
with the Madison Symphony,
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an incredible family, right?
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So we fall in love and
God gifted me with this man,
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I mean just gifted me.
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He loves me, adores me and
I have never been loved and
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nurtured by anyone as
much as him in my whole life.
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I mean it is just amazing
and one day after 10 years
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of marriage, he looked
at me and he was tearing up.
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I thought what Hon? He
said you know what Cheri, one
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day you're going
to let me love you.
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I thought Hon you're still
in my house and that has to
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account for something, and
to me I had no idea what he
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was saying was that I had so
many trust issues and emotional
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damage that I
really never let him close
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enough to love me.
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I don't know the difference
because he's the closest
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person ever and he is thinking
that there is a wall there.
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It is still there or that
have to listen to my husband,
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at first I wanted to
say that was not true.
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I let you love me, when I
was on the street I moved every
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three months, never
did anyone get close to me.
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I did not let them in my life,
I never let anyone touch me
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as far as that
kind of emotional thing.
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I want to spend the rest
of my life with you so I tried
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to convince him it was not true.
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I do let him in, so
now I have to convince God.
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God, You know that I love
him and You know I've let him
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in, then I hear God
through the Holy Spirit Cheri,
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you never let Me in.
Oh shut up, not true.
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I did not mean that
disrespect- ful to God but He
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knows how I talk, and
I said it was not true.
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I let You in, He said
not even in your prayers.
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Not even when you are on
your knees pleading with Me on
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an issue that means everything
to you to I get into that
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place, you don't trust anybody.
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I thought no way, no way
and He says, you know what?
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That is the core issue.
Wait, I thought the core issue
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was my heroine addiction?
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I thought it was
all that kind of stuff.
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He said you don't trust
anybody, you have never allowed
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anyone to love you.
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I'm thinking God, wait,
and I will get back to that.
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I could taste recovery,
I could taste happiness and
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right living forever in
thousands of different ways,
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look at all kinds
of places and faces or
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I could allow God to lead.
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Our theme text is Isaiah
57:18 from the New Living
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Standard, I want to let
people know what version,
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is God is saying, "I
have seen what they do
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"but I will heal them anyway"
Amen. And I will comfort them
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and comfort those who mourn
and I think that is an amazing
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thing, every time I even
think of that text I think of
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God's mercy, that He
knows all that about me.
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He knows how damaged I am
emotionally to the very core
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of who I am and He says
I'm going to heal you anyway.
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I'm going to stay with
you until you let Me in.
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I'll hang out with you
in prayers, and if you think
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It's close that's okay,
but I will wait until you
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actually feel
what close is like.
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Because when you let Me
in, closer than what you think
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it will actually bring
healing into your life.
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God's mercy towards us,
God is saying that He knows all
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our garbage, even our
hidden junk and He will heal us
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anyway Jeremiah 29:13,
"the whole heart must be yielded
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"to God or a
change cannot happen. "
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I don't have it
within myself to get well.
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The Bible says we are dead
in trespasses, dead in sins,
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the whole head is sick,
I know that, I know that.
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The whole heart is sick,
we have no soundness in it.
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We are held captive by our
junk, whether it is child abuse
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family dysfunction, molest,
eating, violence, rebellion or
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whatever we are
taken captive by Satan.
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God desires to heal us and
set us free and that requires
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an entire transformation, a
renewing of our whole heart.
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We must surrender all to God.
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The battle against self is
the greatest battle we will
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ever fight, it's the me
that has been developed by
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all the junk, all the
rebellion, all the hurt, all the
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past stuff it's fighting
for the right to be in control,
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for it's very life,
even if it means your death.
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I learned so well at 2- 3
years old that no one is safe,
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no one can be trusted.
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I had to fight that belief
every day and allow God to
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teach me truth.
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When we come back I would
like you to meet Ed McClure
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and share part of his
journey. He is going to tell us
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what his take on God is,
what his take on trust is.
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Stay tuned!
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We want to introduce
you to a beautiful book
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Called 'Steps To Christ'.
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Each program in this
series is based on a different
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chapter showing you how
to become a Christian and
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gain victory
over your addictions.
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'Steps To Christ' is our
gift to you free of charge.
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Just call us at:
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Welcome back, this is my
favorite part of the show
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when we get to actually
interview someone and find out
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how God has led you.
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What kind of journey have
you been on and what was your
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surrender like and how
is your healing in that?
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Ed McClure and you're
from Texas and have a ministry
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there and you have really
explored some amazing things.
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So I'm going to let you
say little bit about your
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ministry and then we
will find out a little bit
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about where you come from.
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Well the ministry is Zoe
8, Zoe and the numeral 8.
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The ministry is to, the
purpose of the ministry is to
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provide information,
provide hope number one.
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Provide hope to people who
have experienced the kind of
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things, anything frankly,
but who have had challenges
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and difficulties in their life.
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We provide hope and technical
information that's real hard
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true facts that enable
you to change your life,
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mind, body and spirit.
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Number three is
support and relationship.
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That our threefold purpose.
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I just love the way you
say that because hope isn't
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going to do it, we have
to actually, what do I do now
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I am hopeful but
what is the first step?
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The first step I think is
hope, you have to have hope
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and you have to
believe and then you will begin
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to change whatever
behavior or whatever issue that
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you are dealing with.
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Then you need a lot of
knowledge to do that is what
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I found out in my case.
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So we are all about researching
and providing knowledge
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and information to people
to help them make the changes.
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Then the relationship
support is equally essential
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because you can't change, I
heard you talking earlier in
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the show today about you
just can't change something and
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think it is all over,
it is just the beginning.
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It's not just that
you change that one thing.
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So you know what I know
more about you then obviously
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the people here do
because we have talked before.
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You weren't always as
little as you are now.
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No, I at one time was much
more substantial than I am now.
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I'm still pretty big
guy but I bring this sweater
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along a lot of times to put
it in perspective for people
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because size can be relevant.
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This use to be my daily
wear and I used to stuff myself
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into this. -
close to 500 pounds!
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500 pounds and really
miserable, and the weight was
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less of my problems it seems,
because I had severe depression,
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Anxiety for years, heart
arrhythmia, high blood pressure,
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oozing, gnarled, psoriasis
that nobody could contend with.
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Even all that is just a
symptom of toxins and poisons
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trying to get out of
your body. - absolutely!
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Outward manifestations
of inward conditions.
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Medications, I was on
chronic medications, 7 different
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chronic medications to
quote 'you never get off'.
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You never stopped taking
them, they're with you forever.
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In one year I dropped
right at 200 pounds, it really
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took 15 months to get off
all the medications and I have
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stayed off the medications
and it has been amazing.
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- I mean you are half
the man you use to be.
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- well maybe two thirds, no 3/5,
60% of the man I used to be.
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But I still like
myself, I love myself now.
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- so I know those conditions,
that just doesn't happen
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overnight and so for those
who have the same struggle,
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whether it be weight or
whatever that has led them into
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the same kind of bondages
where did that start for you?
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Just to say one thing
here so it stays relevant to as
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many people, we have learned
in amazing truth which is
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thin people, and thick
or fat people, or obese, or
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whatever word you want to use,
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have a very
similar life patterns.
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We worked now with a
lot of thin people, but our
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circumstances, anything
less than what God would desire,
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or what we would desire for
our children and that is how
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I personalize it for people.
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If God is our Father in
heaven and we have children here
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on earth that we can relate
to what He desires for us,
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we desire for our children,
so any health condition or
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emotional condition or
any condition that you are in
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is less than the abundant
life that God, which is Zoe,
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a Greek word is something
that we really want to deal with
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and those things begin
generally early in life.
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- you know when I said
that it made sense to me because
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I have all the
emotional damage that was on the
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inside, and yours
was more on the outside.
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So somebody could look at
yours, but I had the same stuff.
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I think obesity is very tough,
and as I get to know people
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with extreme thinness that
is tough too because everybody
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can see it, you are wearing
your emotions on the outside.
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I want to make the point
that I think those conditions
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are physical and there are
spiritual and emotional things
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going on that I think
personally drive the physical
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state we are in.
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Okay let's talk about where
you came from and then get to
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how that unfolded for you.
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Because I know God showed
your so many things in His love
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and it changed everything.
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Yes He did, the process I
went through that year I was
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healing, if you will, I was
healing outwardly and physically
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but what was driving down
with the healing of my emotions
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and the spiritual healing.
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As I healed spiritually I
was able to grow, we can't grow
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when we are broke, you know.
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We have to be broken to
begin to heal and get better.
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God through that year, I
have shared this with you
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another time, that I
literally would wake up at four,
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I didn't work I took a
long time off of work and was
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slow to go back to
work, and workaholism is
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my more positive addiction.
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I would get up at four
in the morning - you know
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I know I didn't physically
hear this, but all over
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the world I heard them
say that is not a positive
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addiction, I just heard that.
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Nothing that is out of
balance is positive so I stand
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corrected and apologize.
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- women and
children! - women and children.
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God took me back
through my life and the
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process that I had to
go through to get well.
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I was to literally go back
and relive and it was amazing
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as if I was in a twilight
sleep and I would lay there and
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a prayerful or meditative
state and would wake up
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almost every morning at
four or five in the morning for
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several hours lie in bed
and in a very slow procession
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go back through my life and
see the things that happened
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to me. Equally
important the things I had done
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and inflicted upon others.
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I could smell and feel and
taste the times and places,
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but with an understanding
in all most as if God was
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standing beside me
saying do you see this.
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See how this affected you?
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Do you see how you
affected this person?
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Do you see how you
got where you are today?
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Then we were able, as God
allowed me to do that and go
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through that process, I
was able to put those things
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to bed and gain
knowledge and understanding.
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We parish for lack of
knowledge God says, with that
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knowledge and
understanding of how I got where
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I got in my life and the
effect it had not only on me
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but on those that have
chosen to love me in this life
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and be connected to me.
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They were equally affected
and it amazed me, it not only
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enable and that was all part
of the process so the pounds
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are coming off, psoriasis
and skin is clearing up.
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You know one thing I am
stuck at is where did you start?
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Your 500 pounds did you
just one day decide I am going
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to turn over, did someone
say, you know what buddy?
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That had been said a
few times and I think a self
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realization that time had
grown very, very short for me.
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The physical problems and
the emotional depression and
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despair I really felt, whether
it was the Holy Spirit or
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what, I knew, I didn't
need a doctor to tell me.
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- you were going to survive?
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I wasn't going to survive
and I felt life circumstances
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from my family, my wife, my
children were such in some of
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the businesses we were in it
would have been catastrophic.
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Really it sounds a little mellow
dramatic, there is no good
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news, no good side of
the saga of Ed as Ed was.
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I really felt what a legacy
to leave, to deprive my wife
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of a normal life by
getting so out of control.
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My children to have a normal
father, so not only was the
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reality of life with me bad
that I really felt I died at
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that point economically
in every other way the legacy
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would have been just
disastrous, horrendous.
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And you are actually thinking
of putting a will together.
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A will yeah, we had a
will of sorts but the problem
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wasn't in the will the
problem was in all the loans and
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debts, we owned hotels and just
the things we were involved in
00:19:03.40\00:19:06.12
the economic cycle of 911.
00:19:06.15\00:19:07.56
A lot of things were going
on in our businesses, things
00:19:07.60\00:19:11.50
that needed to be
cleaned up, not just my physical
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condition, there was a
lot that had to happen.
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I definitely reached a point,
I think this is essential,
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so many people I think
were looking for that point were
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I had been trying to turn
over to God for a long time.
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I had great people
including my family members and
00:19:26.84\00:19:29.69
pastors in what
ever pray for me.
00:19:29.72\00:19:32.20
I had been a believer and
passionate for the Lord for
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a long, long
time, so what does it?
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There is really a level,
I think it's like peeling an
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onion in a way in reverse.
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To get to the point
where you truly surrender and
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you truly let God
become God of every single
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aspect of your life.
00:19:52.81\00:19:54.10
What you eat, what you think,
what you do with your time,
00:19:54.13\00:19:56.87
how you prioritize, and I
work with people today and
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they have given up
70%. They've changed 30% and
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I used to be
one of those people.
00:20:04.67\00:20:05.99
I could get on a treadmill
and walk, I could go on any diet
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plan. - I bought the
ticket to the movies.
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Yeah I heard say that
earlier. - that's not the movie.
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Yeah that's not the
movie, the movie is life.
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It's our spiritual
being, it's everything.
00:20:17.35\00:20:19.75
- you know what is amazing
to me and I know that God has
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showed you that, is that
when you give the fact that
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He can pour
everything into you. - He can.
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You can submit it all and
let it all go so whatever it
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Took when I reached that
point, I was ready to do it and
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I had a moment,
there is these God moments.
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I think God can only
display Himself and the majesty,
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the omnipotence of Himself
when there is this utter despair
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when only God can save you.
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You have to get so low, you
are beyond it, someone like me
00:20:50.33\00:20:52.88
who thinks he's kind of smart.
00:20:52.92\00:20:54.25
- you are smart,
incredibly successful.
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In many ways yes, outwardly
you could say that, but when
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I had to reach a point where no
matter how much money or effort
00:21:01.33\00:21:05.28
or time, or hired
experts, and Ed was going down.
00:21:05.32\00:21:08.44
There was no savings
and that is a God moment.
00:21:08.47\00:21:12.41
Wait, wait, wait because
His moment of getting it.
00:21:12.44\00:21:16.88
A finally saying this is
the, everything must change.
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You were kneeling in a
doctor's office on the floor?
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Right, actually just
before that I made the decision
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to walk away effectively,
I had to have an outward act
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of that, I had to get myself
into my car and put myself into
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a facility on the East
Coast with a major university
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for one month program.
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I was a guy that worked
and never took any time off.
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- so that was huge for you!
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Yes, so I like to say when
I walked off my front steps
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and got into my car, my
wife and two kids were saying
00:21:45.45\00:21:48.15
goodbye, I had loaded up
for four to six weeks and that
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was the biggest moment
of my life because for once
00:21:50.90\00:21:54.08
I wasn't trying to
manage it within myself saying
00:21:54.11\00:21:57.26
I'm walking away from myself.
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I didn't know what I was
coming back or what I would
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find in within 36 hours I'm
on the floor at Dr. Colbert's
00:22:00.85\00:22:05.45
office in Orlando, Florida,
a per chance Segway on my
00:22:05.49\00:22:09.51
way to this institution
and we are on the linoleum
00:22:09.54\00:22:13.49
floor on our knees praying
and giving every bit of my life.
00:22:13.53\00:22:16.97
He just cut to the quick
too via my childhood in my
00:22:17.01\00:22:19.24
emotional state, he diagnosed.
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Didn't say
anything about your weight?
00:22:22.53\00:22:23.50
Weight was incidental to him.
00:22:23.54\00:22:25.59
He said you'll
melt, you will melt.
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If you can take care of
the spiritual problem of me,
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he characterized it
as a root of rejection.
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The divorce when I was
five years old, my father
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who was violent, he was an
alcoholic and I didn't hear
00:22:36.67\00:22:39.20
from him until I was 17.
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I think that was rejection
number one and a numerous
00:22:40.55\00:22:44.79
other rejections
and other things.
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When you say rejection
number one, with his alcoholism
00:22:46.50\00:22:49.96
and all that type of violence
from one to five, and this
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child was not safe
I'm sure, or felt safe.
00:22:53.46\00:22:56.64
No I think, and I don't
want to make it all about me,
00:22:56.68\00:23:00.18
but we have my story
and what I say when I am
00:23:00.21\00:23:01.97
doing seminars, consulting
with people, everybody has
00:23:02.00\00:23:05.03
a story, the only relevance
of my story to you is that
00:23:05.06\00:23:08.08
we each have one that
defines how we got what we are.
00:23:08.12\00:23:11.84
What is amazing about your
story is just picturing this
00:23:11.87\00:23:15.32
Dr. saying to you, it
really isn't about the physical
00:23:15.35\00:23:18.77
stuff right now, you
have so much hurt inside.
00:23:18.80\00:23:22.99
And things you have put
in separate compartments.
00:23:23.02\00:23:27.14
Yes, he literally said to
me at one point when he put his
00:23:27.17\00:23:29.69
hand on my shoulder
and said you know how close
00:23:29.72\00:23:32.99
you are to death, it went
through me like a hot knife
00:23:33.03\00:23:36.84
through soft butter.
00:23:36.87\00:23:38.69
I knew that was true
and looked at him and
00:23:38.72\00:23:41.06
I said I do know.
00:23:41.10\00:23:42.56
He said to me you know
that you can go at any minute.
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He also looked at me and
said this rejection it started
00:23:46.50\00:23:50.49
here in your childhood and
he said rejection takes root.
00:23:50.52\00:23:54.48
Take this for whatever
you want to get out of it,
00:23:54.51\00:23:56.36
it takes root in the
intestines, when your intestines
00:23:56.40\00:23:58.65
don't work data starts
controlling your body and the
00:23:58.68\00:24:00.86
fact that the spiritual root,
the rejection which leads to
00:24:00.89\00:24:05.49
bitterness and all sorts
of things begins to take over
00:24:05.53\00:24:08.62
your emotions and in the
thing you know you're rolling
00:24:08.65\00:24:11.71
into depression and
everything is coming apart.
00:24:11.74\00:24:13.50
We have to go to the beginning
of the root which is God,
00:24:13.54\00:24:16.23
and take this to God
and get delivered of that
00:24:16.27\00:24:20.02
of the spiritual issue.
00:24:20.05\00:24:21.60
So what he said to me - don't
you love that, I love that.
00:24:21.64\00:24:24.77
Ask me if I love that, I'm
smiling and there was nothing to
00:24:24.81\00:24:27.91
smile about in my
life, in my world.
00:24:27.94\00:24:29.75
But at that time when he
said that did you get it?
00:24:29.79\00:24:33.47
Oh I got it, I knew, I
came to believe that the
00:24:33.50\00:24:37.11
truth has a resignation
level and I'm sure there is some
00:24:37.15\00:24:39.53
scientific way when you prove
that when you hear the truth,
00:24:39.56\00:24:41.91
which is the Holy Spirit,
it cuts through everything
00:24:41.94\00:24:44.63
so in his office I knew and
00:24:44.67\00:24:47.15
I get goose bumps right
now, I knew my life was forever
00:24:47.19\00:24:49.90
changed, it was over and
I had come to this reckoning
00:24:49.94\00:24:53.12
moment, what on the earth
am I doing on January 29, 2002
00:24:53.15\00:24:56.04
with a guy named Dr.
Colbert and his incredible wife,
00:24:56.07\00:24:58.93
Mary walked in and
they began to pray.
00:24:58.96\00:25:00.76
The nurses began to pray
and we were all praying and
00:25:00.79\00:25:04.87
I am just crying babbling
all over, I'm all wet and
00:25:04.90\00:25:08.95
they spent 5 hours
with me the first day.
00:25:08.98\00:25:11.85
This is what we all need,
we need to be important enough
00:25:11.89\00:25:16.68
and loved enough by
strangers by really Christians.
00:25:16.72\00:25:20.75
People who are serving Christ,
it is the deal and I left
00:25:20.79\00:25:25.91
that office and to me it
sounds crazy, it was over then
00:25:25.95\00:25:30.39
because I had surrendered,
the Holy Spirit had entered
00:25:30.42\00:25:34.83
in taking control. -
you knew what the issue is?
00:25:34.87\00:25:37.87
I barely could speak
or think for two days.
00:25:37.91\00:25:40.84
I could not articulate
over the phone to my wife about
00:25:40.88\00:25:45.19
my experience and it is all
sort of downhill from there.
00:25:45.22\00:25:48.82
We crashed into the mountain
and then it became a journey
00:25:48.85\00:25:52.41
of healing and
acquiring knowledge.
00:25:52.44\00:25:55.38
My family becoming part of this.
00:25:55.42\00:25:58.28
Did you still get the
treatment center? - oh yeah!
00:25:58.32\00:26:00.50
What happened there? - We
could go all day about that
00:26:00.54\00:26:02.69
one, we want to be gentle.
00:26:02.73\00:26:04.50
One of the leading educational
institutions in America, is
00:26:04.54\00:26:08.38
over there, the
temple if you would go to.
00:26:08.41\00:26:12.27
If money was no object
you go to this place and they
00:26:12.30\00:26:15.11
taught me many things,
many of the things we use
00:26:15.15\00:26:17.89
in our program I learned there
these tremendous strategies,
00:26:17.92\00:26:20.93
tremendous truths, but boy
the whole body, mind, and spirit
00:26:20.97\00:26:23.94
connection and
all that and I went.
00:26:23.98\00:26:25.77
Dr. Colbert encouraged me to
go, my wife encouraged me to go
00:26:25.80\00:26:28.71
and stay there, learn behavior
modification, learn things.
00:26:28.75\00:26:32.99
I was so physically sick
that when they did the induction
00:26:33.02\00:26:36.67
I was only allowed to exercise
in the chair with a rubber
00:26:36.70\00:26:40.32
band, or in a pool.
00:26:40.35\00:26:41.86
I couldn't walk from here
20 feet without crippling pain.
00:26:41.90\00:26:45.74
It is hard to explain to
people the physical condition.
00:26:45.78\00:26:49.59
You could look at me
and say he looks like
00:26:49.62\00:26:51.26
he's out of shape.
00:26:51.30\00:26:52.27
I'm in such ferocious shape,
I work out, I mean I go and
00:26:52.28\00:26:56.57
lift weights to prove to
myself that I am really a man,
00:26:56.60\00:27:00.01
a person. - you know
what I want to say to you when
00:27:00.05\00:27:03.40
you say that? Don't
judge anybody on their journey.
00:27:03.43\00:27:06.71
I was so blessed by even
the first part of your journey.
00:27:06.74\00:27:11.56
You getting it and the
fact God is so gentle with us.
00:27:11.59\00:27:15.59
Being able to come in and say
has nothing to do with... mine
00:27:15.62\00:27:19.27
it had nothing to do with
the heroin in the fact that
00:27:19.31\00:27:22.92
I never learned to
trust or love anybody.
00:27:22.95\00:27:24.96
You are rejection as a
little boy and all those things
00:27:25.00\00:27:27.63
and God says, now let
Me love you into health.
00:27:27.67\00:27:30.94
His love healed me and
has enabled me to love and you
00:27:30.98\00:27:38.52
can't give what you don't have.
00:27:38.56\00:27:39.89
You must receive it
whether it's forgiveness or love
00:27:39.92\00:27:42.17
which are the two
things I focus on. we don't go
00:27:42.20\00:27:44.38
around forgiving people
until you've forgiven yourself,
00:27:44.41\00:27:46.99
forgiving God for the
position as I learned in my walk
00:27:47.03\00:27:50.21
that one of the things
that is common, I believe, we
00:27:50.25\00:27:54.15
develop an anger and a
separation of God, and it may be
00:27:54.18\00:27:58.05
in your subconscious.
- as you're eating!
00:27:58.08\00:27:59.95
Why is this happening to me?
00:28:02.17\00:28:03.14
Why do these
donuts make me fatter?
00:28:03.17\00:28:04.81
I don't get it,
what's wrong with your plan?
00:28:04.84\00:28:07.57
So it begins there. -
isn't it amazing to you that God
00:28:07.60\00:28:12.24
says I love you enough go
ahead and blame me until you
00:28:12.27\00:28:16.87
actually see that it wasn't Me.
00:28:16.91\00:28:18.32
My desire for you is to be
well and happy and laughing
00:28:18.36\00:28:21.93
out loud. - He's is my Father.
00:28:21.96\00:28:24.83
I came to know my dad
really well and He blesses me
00:28:24.86\00:28:30.95
mightily and I still
have issues in life but it is
00:28:30.98\00:28:37.03
such a different
game, I'm not hiding.
00:28:37.07\00:28:39.47
Fear is gone and fear is
replaced by love in my life.
00:28:39.50\00:28:43.34
I am far from perfect and
will probably remain so until
00:28:43.38\00:28:47.18
I graduate to the next life.
00:28:47.21\00:28:48.69
When you said far from
perfect, that opens up something
00:28:48.73\00:28:51.22
for me because I
can ask your wife.
00:28:51.25\00:28:53.22
So Elisa, I want to ask
you a couple things, one of the
00:28:53.26\00:28:57.49
things I want to ask you
is what did you think when
00:28:57.52\00:29:01.95
he called you and said
that he had met Don and what had
00:29:01.98\00:29:06.37
happened? What did you
think? Did you think he was
00:29:06.40\00:29:09.90
crazy you better
get to that clinic?
00:29:09.94\00:29:11.88
I wasn't surprised, everybody
was so concerned about him
00:29:11.92\00:29:16.17
and I knew some of the
things he needed to do but when
00:29:16.20\00:29:20.48
you just don't listen or
aren't able to listen you don't
00:29:20.52\00:29:24.76
want to hear it and it
is not discussed very often
00:29:24.80\00:29:27.19
actually it's pretty ignored.
00:29:27.23\00:29:29.47
It was a white elephant in
the room and nobody's talking
00:29:29.50\00:29:32.20
about it. - you're not
talking about him? - no!
00:29:32.23\00:29:33.85
Now I know it's
not a pun. It could be.
00:29:33.89\00:29:38.87
But you know it becomes
uncomfortable as a family to
00:29:38.91\00:29:44.58
talk and
everybody is talking to me.
00:29:44.62\00:29:46.79
Why don't you do something,
I said I can't do anything,
00:29:46.82\00:29:50.05
there is nothing I can do.
00:29:50.08\00:29:52.08
We have done everything we
can do so he came to the point
00:29:52.11\00:29:55.72
where he had to
do something himself.
00:29:55.75\00:29:57.60
When he called me and said
and talked about Dr. Colbert,
00:29:57.63\00:30:00.73
I had never met him
either but I wasn't surprised.
00:30:00.76\00:30:03.78
Because there has been volumes
of prayer going into this.
00:30:03.82\00:30:08.06
It wasn't an accident that
appointment had just happened
00:30:08.09\00:30:12.29
to open up. - no!
00:30:12.33\00:30:13.41
- Dr. Colbert is a
very busy man, very famous.
00:30:13.44\00:30:16.51
That was divine, I mean
the hand of God was on that
00:30:16.54\00:30:19.67
appointment, a friend of
a friend, a casual thing.
00:30:19.70\00:30:22.75
Pastor John Haggy in
San Antonio, Texas who's son
00:30:22.79\00:30:25.81
happened to work for me just
bing, bang, bong you're driving
00:30:25.85\00:30:29.05
to the East Coast so just stop
by Don's and will get you in.
00:30:29.08\00:30:31.79
Now I just have to say to
people, and Elisa you know
00:30:31.83\00:30:35.40
more than anybody else right
now is that when you actually
00:30:35.43\00:30:39.21
surrender and put your hand
up, when you start telling God
00:30:39.24\00:30:43.17
you know God what ever, He
opens doors that will wow you.
00:30:43.21\00:30:47.10
You have to step
out with that faith.
00:30:47.14\00:30:49.52
And that is what he did,
he gotten in his car that day
00:30:49.56\00:30:52.12
because he had tried
to do this a couple times.
00:30:52.16\00:30:56.59
But as he said 9-11 happened
and then it was Christmas,
00:30:56.63\00:31:00.55
then the New Year
and then he finally went.
00:31:00.58\00:31:03.32
We didn't think he was
going to go, mostly just the huh
00:31:03.36\00:31:05.75
he'll get to it
one of these days.
00:31:05.78\00:31:07.92
But for him to just get in
that car and go, it was that
00:31:07.96\00:31:11.74
first step as we say to
initiate something to happen in
00:31:11.78\00:31:15.52
your life, you just
can't sit back and wait for it
00:31:15.56\00:31:17.85
to happen, go
after it, go get it.
00:31:17.89\00:31:21.23
That was a turning point
and he was ready to come home
00:31:21.26\00:31:24.96
after seeing Dr. Colbert
and we are all saying no,
00:31:24.99\00:31:28.62
you have already done this
and you never take time off,
00:31:28.66\00:31:32.45
go take the time off and
spend that time even if you
00:31:32.49\00:31:35.42
don't learn anything in
that place at least you're in
00:31:35.46\00:31:38.36
a safe place for a
four-week period of time.
00:31:38.39\00:31:41.26
Take advantage of it!
00:31:41.30\00:31:42.91
In that place that
taught me much I developed some
00:31:45.43\00:31:49.04
relationships that live
on to this day, but more than
00:31:49.08\00:31:52.66
anything, and it is
why really went there.
00:31:52.69\00:31:55.33
I knew that I was really
done myself and it was over.
00:31:55.37\00:31:58.73
So in my prayer talk with
God I was acknowledging that
00:31:58.77\00:32:01.73
I am done, I would look
in the mirror and not even
00:32:01.77\00:32:04.70
recognize who was there.
00:32:04.73\00:32:06.26
Well know this is when I
was really sick, you see this
00:32:06.29\00:32:11.54
person I can even connect with
who and what I am, I primarily
00:32:11.58\00:32:17.00
went there to get away
because I knew I had to isolate
00:32:17.04\00:32:20.29
with God and say this
could not have been Your plan.
00:32:20.32\00:32:23.51
So I am way out of control,
so the purpose of going there,
00:32:23.54\00:32:27.35
and the benefit in the
end, the biggest benefit of
00:32:27.39\00:32:30.07
isolation, it was just me
and God, no business, no phones,
00:32:30.11\00:32:33.05
I did cheat a little.
00:32:33.09\00:32:34.94
- I was going to say workaholic
you would have to have
00:32:34.98\00:32:38.26
a phone somewhere. I would
call out and they would call
00:32:38.29\00:32:40.79
in and say you are breaking
the rules you are an addict
00:32:40.83\00:32:43.86
and you will never get well,
because their prognosis for
00:32:43.89\00:32:46.89
me was not very good.
00:32:46.92\00:32:47.95
I was cheating a little here
and there but I had a lot of
00:32:47.98\00:32:51.56
time with God, day and
night mostly 24 hours a day.
00:32:51.59\00:32:54.37
I was with Him and I
prayed and read the Bible.
00:32:54.41\00:32:57.12
I had my experience at Don's
on the way, you see God gave
00:32:57.16\00:33:01.84
me this massive dose of truth
and deliverance really before
00:33:01.88\00:33:06.07
I got there so that four
weeks was incredibly fruitful.
00:33:06.11\00:33:10.38
Incredibly fruitful. - I
am so blessed that makes me
00:33:10.42\00:33:14.10
say God if you are right
here I'd kiss You on the face.
00:33:14.14\00:33:17.75
And I'd kiss on the face,
right now if there are any
00:33:17.78\00:33:20.92
questions, if anybody has
a question right now for Ed?
00:33:20.95\00:33:24.34
Connie! Yes I actually do
have a question for you but
00:33:24.37\00:33:26.96
before I ask the question
I have to give you a little
00:33:27.00\00:33:29.56
background about
my family history.
00:33:29.59\00:33:31.40
I was raised in a small
family, just my parents my
00:33:31.43\00:33:35.13
sister and I in Wisconsin.
00:33:35.16\00:33:37.22
When you walked into our
home it look like a normal home.
00:33:37.25\00:33:39.77
You go into the kitchen
and the refrigerator was fully
00:33:39.80\00:33:42.28
stocked as well as the
cupboards in the kitchen.
00:33:42.32\00:33:44.04
But if you went downstairs
there is a full refrigerator
00:33:44.07\00:33:47.66
and freezer stocked with
food as well as a bunch of
00:33:47.69\00:33:51.25
shelving for canned goods.
00:33:51.28\00:33:53.14
That was the first hint that
it might be really important
00:33:53.18\00:33:56.80
in our house, so the next
thing you notice if you have
00:33:56.83\00:34:01.47
dinner with us that my
parents were incredibly praising
00:34:01.50\00:34:06.10
us continually
for the more we ate.
00:34:06.14\00:34:08.93
Now it wasn't just that
they were praising us for eating
00:34:08.96\00:34:12.50
everything on our plate,
and once you finished it you did
00:34:12.53\00:34:15.76
a good job, they did do
that but in addition to that if
00:34:15.79\00:34:19.82
you ate an additional plate,
two plates or more, you got
00:34:19.85\00:34:24.49
even more praise and it became
almost a contest between my
00:34:24.53\00:34:29.13
sister and I,
how much can we eat?
00:34:29.17\00:34:31.54
How much praise can we
get today and we so wanted to
00:34:31.58\00:34:34.38
please our parents and
there was so much positive
00:34:34.41\00:34:38.22
affirmation that we
learned to stuff ourselves.
00:34:38.25\00:34:41.99
So then as they became
adults we brought that tendency
00:34:42.03\00:34:46.32
to overeat and stuff ourselves
and that feeling of being
00:34:46.36\00:34:50.62
overstuffed
became normal for us.
00:34:50.66\00:34:53.59
So I guess one question I
have for you is first of all
00:34:53.63\00:34:57.76
how prevalent is that
tendency for parents to praise
00:34:57.80\00:35:03.24
their children so greatly
when they over eat really and
00:35:03.27\00:35:08.73
also if you have any tips
for me, and my sister as well,
00:35:08.76\00:35:14.18
for how we could overcome
this tendency to over eat
00:35:14.22\00:35:17.83
because it is such a
natural thing for us to do and
00:35:17.86\00:35:21.00
we can't seem to break
out of it, either of us.
00:35:21.03\00:35:24.10
Well thank you that was a
great question and I think it
00:35:24.13\00:35:27.30
is relevant to so many people.
00:35:27.33\00:35:29.40
I think first as the parents,
now before I was a parent
00:35:29.43\00:35:33.46
I was a good critic of
parents, but having been one
00:35:33.50\00:35:37.50
I have to reassess my
position on parenting.
00:35:37.53\00:35:42.61
Parents are people too and
a couple things come to mind.
00:35:42.65\00:35:45.89
I have already mentioned the
scripture of my people perish
00:35:45.92\00:35:49.12
for lack of knowledge.
00:35:49.16\00:35:50.52
I found as I became a
father, it took me at least
00:35:50.56\00:35:53.82
30 years I would rate
myself, about 20 years excuse me
00:35:53.85\00:35:56.31
before I became a
pretty good father.
00:35:56.35\00:35:58.33
I like myself as a father today.
00:35:58.37\00:35:59.74
We come so
ill-equipped to be parents.
00:35:59.78\00:36:01.82
So many of us in so much
to know, we are talking about
00:36:01.86\00:36:05.62
diet and nutrition, the
brightest medical minds in
00:36:05.65\00:36:08.74
America don't understand
diet and nutrition so how can
00:36:08.77\00:36:11.82
we expect parents to know?
00:36:11.85\00:36:13.13
We need to forgive the
parents first of all for just
00:36:13.16\00:36:16.25
being human like the rest of us.
00:36:16.29\00:36:17.83
But indeed you are touching
on some things I did learn
00:36:17.86\00:36:20.54
at that great institution
on the east coast which is a
00:36:20.58\00:36:23.23
behavior modification,
where does behavior
00:36:23.26\00:36:25.71
learned come from.
00:36:25.74\00:36:27.69
As children we are taught
through the reward system of
00:36:27.73\00:36:31.31
what is good and what is
bad because not only an act of
00:36:31.35\00:36:35.09
consciousness but it
becomes a subconscious behavior.
00:36:35.12\00:36:38.30
Which can really undo you,
I can tell you right now that
00:36:38.34\00:36:41.49
my mother, God
bless her, is a nurse.
00:36:41.52\00:36:44.18
She is and RN and as I went
back and read it my childhood
00:36:44.22\00:36:47.02
because I had some stuff
in my childhood that I blacked
00:36:47.06\00:36:49.88
out, but when I began to
reconnect to that childhood
00:36:49.92\00:36:52.68
indeed one I got my first
shots and had to go to a doctor
00:36:52.71\00:36:55.96
the reward was a
cherry vanilla ice cream cone.
00:36:56.00\00:36:58.01
The reward was food, now
food is a good reward because
00:36:58.05\00:37:04.05
it is effective and it's
satiating capabilities and it
00:37:04.08\00:37:08.59
can make us feel good,
that is a whole complex subject
00:37:08.63\00:37:12.35
that we can go into really
deep or just on the surface.
00:37:12.38\00:37:15.69
But I will say this
much, there are chemical things
00:37:15.72\00:37:19.09
that go on with certain
foods and there are society
00:37:19.12\00:37:22.41
things, some satiating
things that are true about food.
00:37:22.45\00:37:25.87
Food is in effect reward
system because it will make you
00:37:25.90\00:37:28.92
feel good, it will do it for
chemical reasons, it will do it
00:37:28.96\00:37:31.94
for emotional reasons and
you probably have had both
00:37:31.97\00:37:33.90
those things happening to you.
00:37:33.93\00:37:35.20
Again not a conscious act
which sets you up for problems
00:37:35.23\00:37:39.40
in your life so I do think
that we teach in our program
00:37:39.43\00:37:43.52
strongly to have healthy,
positive rewards and be careful
00:37:43.56\00:37:47.61
with their children, do
not tell them that children
00:37:47.65\00:37:50.00
are starving in Africa
there for clean your plate.
00:37:50.04\00:37:52.33
To put a guilt thing to insert
the program in your mind to
00:37:52.36\00:37:56.63
react that way because you're
a young woman, but you are
00:37:56.67\00:38:00.36
not a child anymore and you
are still dealing with those
00:38:00.40\00:38:03.72
programming issues and have
to work through those things.
00:38:03.75\00:38:06.85
First of all I think is
real dangerous for us to engage
00:38:06.88\00:38:11.44
in those behaviors and I
think again that it happened but
00:38:11.47\00:38:15.99
it needs to be dealt with.
00:38:16.03\00:38:18.01
Second, I want to make this
point, food is something that
00:38:18.04\00:38:22.07
is the negative,
food is a gift from God.
00:38:22.10\00:38:24.77
This is the temple of God
and what did He give us to
00:38:26.55\00:38:29.57
put into the
temple, water and food.
00:38:29.60\00:38:32.04
The festivals and the celebra-
tions in the Old Testament,
00:38:32.07\00:38:36.58
food was an integral component,
in Ecclesiastes there's
00:38:36.62\00:38:40.01
three different scriptures
that very specifically say
00:38:40.04\00:38:44.31
God wants man and woman
to enjoy his food or her food
00:38:44.35\00:38:47.80
and it is meant to be
that and we are to do it with
00:38:47.84\00:38:50.88
a merry heart Ecclesiastes
9:7, go enjoy your food
00:38:50.92\00:38:53.96
with a merry heart for
now is the time I favor you
00:38:53.99\00:38:57.00
needs to be in balance.
00:38:57.03\00:38:59.56
He also expects us to eat
intelligently and with wisdom
00:38:59.60\00:39:03.75
and knowledge of
nutrition and diet.
00:39:03.79\00:39:06.28
Way, way, way back pre-fast
foods, fragmented foods.
00:39:06.32\00:39:10.03
In our book 'Eat Your Way
To a Healthy Life' we talk
00:39:10.06\00:39:14.01
about the four F's, but
literally the four F's of food
00:39:14.04\00:39:17.96
are killing
Americans and if not the world.
00:39:17.99\00:39:20.57
Fragmented foods, God made
whole foods not fragmented foods
00:39:20.61\00:39:24.69
we eat the wrong foods.
00:39:24.72\00:39:25.99
Family foods, is what you
are talking about is where we
00:39:26.03\00:39:29.47
learn bad behavior early
on innocently from families.
00:39:29.50\00:39:32.44
We eat those fragmented
foods because that is what we
00:39:32.47\00:39:35.35
ate growing up or there
are things that are part of
00:39:35.39\00:39:38.23
our heritage so much it's
just family tradition that
00:39:38.26\00:39:41.09
can be negative, fast food.
00:39:41.13\00:39:43.16
Nothing fast is really
all that good, maybe a fast
00:39:43.19\00:39:47.53
prayer occasionally, but
a nice long heartfelt prayer
00:39:47.57\00:39:51.87
would yield a far
more better reward.
00:39:51.91\00:39:54.50
Fast foods is destructive,
God meant us to enjoy our
00:39:54.54\00:39:57.58
food and that doesn't
mean we should do it fast.
00:39:57.62\00:40:00.59
We're just from Italy
where Lisa's family are Italian
00:40:00.62\00:40:03.81
and her parents took the
family to connect with their
00:40:03.84\00:40:06.99
roots, those
people eat for hours.
00:40:07.02\00:40:08.91
They eat fresh food, because
food additives is our fourth
00:40:08.95\00:40:13.44
F., we put things into our
food that isn't good for us.
00:40:13.47\00:40:17.18
Frankly, when we manipulate
an engineer the food to
00:40:17.22\00:40:20.90
where it is not
really the food God made.
00:40:20.93\00:40:22.38
So those four F's are
dangerous and you are touching
00:40:22.42\00:40:25.17
on probably your family
and what they were feeding you,
00:40:25.21\00:40:27.93
all those things are
important but it is important
00:40:27.97\00:40:30.91
to keep in balance.
00:40:30.95\00:40:32.33
One of the things, I had
an opportunity to speak as a
00:40:32.36\00:40:35.56
Guest speaker almost a year
to the day after I left that
00:40:35.59\00:40:38.76
institution,
invited by the founder.
00:40:38.79\00:40:41.24
Back to the same institution
because I had lost 200 pounds
00:40:41.27\00:40:44.14
and this was a new
cover boy let's go back here
00:40:44.18\00:40:46.48
and see what's going on.
00:40:46.51\00:40:47.48
Look what we did, are we
proud of this kid and they give
00:40:47.51\00:40:51.42
you a jacket if you lose
100 pounds, it's a blazer and
00:40:51.46\00:40:54.43
they reward it to you and
it's a big deal and use it to
00:40:54.47\00:40:57.41
energize people so
you owe me two jackets and
00:40:57.45\00:40:59.95
I'm coming back to get them.
00:40:59.98\00:41:01.17
We got a windbreaker, and
never got the other jacket but
00:41:01.21\00:41:04.39
it's not important because
I had an opportunity to speak.
00:41:04.43\00:41:07.64
That was very important to
me because my life had changed.
00:41:07.67\00:41:11.49
I had gone from not being
able to walk to fit and abundant
00:41:11.53\00:41:15.31
realizing the dreams of my life.
00:41:15.35\00:41:18.05
- and no psoriasis? - no
psoriasis, the skin blew them
00:41:18.08\00:41:21.18
the way the most.
00:41:21.22\00:41:22.19
I went to the head and it
touches an interesting thing
00:41:22.20\00:41:25.88
what's really big and
ugly and you don't even touch
00:41:25.91\00:41:29.71
yourself, you don't want to.
00:41:29.74\00:41:31.39
I was in such pain and my
muscles atrophy, I digressed for
00:41:31.43\00:41:35.70
just a moment so
when I was there and
00:41:35.73\00:41:39.61
just learning to lift the
rubber bands and try to see
00:41:39.64\00:41:42.54
what kind of exercise.
00:41:42.57\00:41:44.42
I went in for a massage because
this was a wonderful thing
00:41:44.46\00:41:47.40
about this place, somebody
in my size could actually
00:41:47.43\00:41:49.42
go and get a
massage and here was
00:41:49.46\00:41:51.93
this women or
man would touch you.
00:41:51.97\00:41:54.38
When she first touched me
it was almost like lightning
00:41:54.41\00:41:57.80
bolt, oh my gosh
I had forgotten it.
00:41:57.83\00:41:59.75
She would spend a whole
hour loosening my shoulders
00:41:59.78\00:42:03.71
a little bit because
they have become so bound up.
00:42:03.74\00:42:07.60
This woman touched me in
my heart and I got to know her
00:42:07.63\00:42:10.89
the month I spent there
because I went there three times
00:42:10.92\00:42:13.85
a week to get treatments,
therapy is really what it is.
00:42:13.89\00:42:16.91
She began to tell me
some of her life and about her
00:42:16.94\00:42:19.93
daughter, she was a single mom.
00:42:19.97\00:42:22.34
Long to short, God put on
my heart to visit three people
00:42:22.37\00:42:25.67
to thank them for having
ministered to me when I was at
00:42:25.70\00:42:28.96
the lowest point in my life.
00:42:28.99\00:42:30.22
I booked an appointment
with her when my wife and
00:42:30.26\00:42:33.42
I was visiting to speak.
00:42:33.45\00:42:34.75
I went in and got on the
table and she started touching
00:42:34.78\00:42:38.23
my spine, she said I remember
people by their spines and
00:42:38.26\00:42:41.67
by their skin and
I feel I know you but
00:42:41.70\00:42:44.00
I don't know your skin.
00:42:44.03\00:42:46.06
She said I've do this for a
living for 15 or 18 years and
00:42:46.10\00:42:48.99
have worked with thousands
of people and I don't know
00:42:49.03\00:42:51.89
your skin, who are you?
00:42:51.93\00:42:53.28
I reiterated a story
where she had told me about her
00:42:53.32\00:42:55.92
daughter and I say did
you go to Wilmington Beach?
00:42:55.96\00:42:58.50
Did you go ahead and do that
to step out and the weirdest
00:42:58.53\00:43:02.81
thing was Ash
Wednesday and she had these
00:43:02.85\00:43:04.71
ashes on her forehead.
00:43:04.74\00:43:06.06
I said I'm Ed McClure and
I was here and I have lost
00:43:06.09\00:43:09.71
200 pounds and she said I
remember the first time I saw
00:43:09.74\00:43:13.07
you and thought I have to
touch him because it's my job.
00:43:13.11\00:43:16.41
Because of the
psoriasis, it was so ugly,
00:43:16.44\00:43:18.88
not just the weight.
00:43:18.91\00:43:20.41
She had heavy people all
the time but the psoriasis and
00:43:20.44\00:43:22.73
it oozing and I remember
looking at your legs and
00:43:22.76\00:43:25.34
remember asking you
what is it? Is it contagious?
00:43:25.38\00:43:28.15
I've been fully diagnosed?
It's like liquid and yet
00:43:28.19\00:43:31.78
she touched me, not
the legs just the shoulders
00:43:31.82\00:43:35.34
and they were safe. Anyway
long to short she ended up
00:43:35.38\00:43:38.50
laying on the floor
weeping because saying I needed,
00:43:38.54\00:43:41.96
it's what God did, this
isn't about wisdom of the
00:43:42.00\00:43:45.39
institution, God
transformed my life.
00:43:45.43\00:43:47.75
She kept saying, your skin,
how did it come back to life?
00:43:47.79\00:43:53.62
I said it was God and she took
it as a witness and testimony
00:43:53.65\00:43:56.57
and so I digressed but when
I went back the most important
00:43:56.60\00:43:59.45
thing in brief talk to the whole
place, for the teachers to the
00:43:59.48\00:44:03.34
directors and the
in-house residents at the time,
00:44:03.37\00:44:05.61
50 to 75 people.
00:44:05.65\00:44:07.07
As I told them there were
10 things, or nine or think it
00:44:07.11\00:44:12.41
was that had led to my success.
00:44:12.45\00:44:15.07
I said the first one and
looked at the founder, they
00:44:15.11\00:44:18.50
taught us there to disassociate
ourselves from food.
00:44:18.53\00:44:22.44
They said to me specifically
in week three, I went and
00:44:22.48\00:44:25.92
said why does the food
have to taste so bad, why don't
00:44:25.95\00:44:29.36
you sauté the
chicken with a little garlic?
00:44:29.39\00:44:32.22
Frankly all these people
here are wealthy and they are
00:44:32.26\00:44:35.82
going to go back home to
their apartments in Paris
00:44:35.86\00:44:38.61
were they have come from,
and they aren't going to eat
00:44:38.64\00:44:41.36
this way so what
are we doing here?
00:44:41.39\00:44:42.56
The number two guy looked
at me and said, you are a sick
00:44:42.60\00:44:46.96
man you've been here
three weeks and not gotten it.
00:44:46.99\00:44:50.06
You're still hung up
about the food, I said no,
00:44:50.09\00:44:52.96
and I hadn't found it
Ecclesiastes 9:7 and God had
00:44:52.99\00:44:55.78
not taken me in His own word to
give me His perspective of food
00:44:55.82\00:45:00.03
which is that it
should taste good.
00:45:00.06\00:45:02.54
He doesn't want to have a
lousy festival in His name.
00:45:02.58\00:45:04.43
He said let us
have a feast in My name.
00:45:04.46\00:45:07.76
Enjoy it and give all the
glory to God, anyway I said
00:45:07.79\00:45:12.08
you taught us to eat three
meals a day, so that is like
00:45:12.11\00:45:17.31
a 1056,1095 meals so you
have told me to do something
00:45:17.34\00:45:21.46
1095 times that it's
essential to my health and then
00:45:21.50\00:45:25.58
you tell me to
disassociate from that.
00:45:25.62\00:45:27.09
Instead we did go into
the word God and we did find
00:45:27.13\00:45:31.51
encouragement in His word
about, I must say we were in the
00:45:31.54\00:45:34.71
restaurant business all our
life so food is important to
00:45:34.74\00:45:37.87
us, there are Italian
and it's important to them.
00:45:37.91\00:45:39.71
It can be healthy as long as
it is to God, as we submit it to
00:45:39.75\00:45:43.78
God, we are eating His way
and we are eating His food.
00:45:43.82\00:45:47.11
We are following His
teaching, His will for our life
00:45:47.14\00:45:50.40
with the food and
it's a great thing.
00:45:50.44\00:45:51.78
Let me just ask you one
thing, the disassociation from
00:45:51.82\00:45:54.78
food and the reinforcement
that it brings initially
00:45:54.81\00:45:58.15
is just too detached the
emotional strength to it.
00:45:58.18\00:46:01.10
I agree, I agree, on an
emotional level you are right.
00:46:01.14\00:46:03.56
But you see that's where
you have to make it God's food,
00:46:03.60\00:46:05.99
it is not my food, I am
not eating to feel good I'm
00:46:06.03\00:46:07.90
eating to feed
the temple of God.
00:46:07.93\00:46:10.26
I'm recognizing that it's okay
with Him if it tastes good and
00:46:10.30\00:46:14.66
I enjoy it, but I
must eat in moderation.
00:46:14.70\00:46:16.82
I must eat it in a
balanced way in these things.
00:46:16.85\00:46:20.38
I just want say the last
blessings in my speech were the
00:46:20.41\00:46:23.34
two things, anybody can do
seven of the things I did, the
00:46:23.37\00:46:26.23
8th thing was my wife so tough
luck here's my ninth but the 9th
00:46:26.27\00:46:33.23
one was God and because this
institution disassociated from
00:46:33.27\00:46:40.20
God I just had to say to
give God and our Lord credit
00:46:40.23\00:46:44.21
for I am here speaking to
you today on how you get this
00:46:44.25\00:46:48.19
healthy this fast.
00:46:48.23\00:46:49.43
That has to be a lead,
a change for them and it
00:46:49.47\00:46:54.11
kind of shocked them.
00:46:54.14\00:46:55.46
After we were dismissed people
wanted to talk to us because we
00:46:55.49\00:46:58.68
had these revolutionary thoughts
that food should taste good.
00:46:58.71\00:47:02.47
We were talking about God
and immediately the first person
00:47:02.51\00:47:06.23
that cornered us in the
lecture room was a Jewish guy.
00:47:06.27\00:47:09.56
He had been there when I was
there a year ago and had seen
00:47:09.60\00:47:12.85
me a year before, there
were a lot of Jewish people,
00:47:12.89\00:47:15.59
people from all over the
world there from all faiths.
00:47:15.62\00:47:18.37
They said well what
about festivals, what about the
00:47:18.41\00:47:21.09
holidays and what about this
and the different religions,
00:47:21.13\00:47:24.53
the way we eat and we told
the story of Elisha's family.
00:47:24.56\00:47:27.70
I'm back to family food where
they are Italians but I had
00:47:27.74\00:47:30.84
to change some basic
ingredients to whole foods and
00:47:30.88\00:47:35.99
I am not going to
get into a food lecture.
00:47:36.03\00:47:38.12
But we went into their
family heritage without changing
00:47:38.16\00:47:42.20
what we ate but look at
whole natural ingredients
00:47:42.23\00:47:45.11
that were
healthy and fed the body.
00:47:45.15\00:47:47.12
A second point, a long
answer but with such a question
00:47:47.16\00:47:50.81
that as long as we are
submitting food to God just like
00:47:50.85\00:47:54.47
we have to
submit everything else.
00:47:54.51\00:47:55.78
We are not to just bless
our food oh Lord but to nourish
00:47:55.81\00:47:59.03
of our body you that
is important, but mean it.
00:47:59.07\00:48:01.15
How can you take something
that you know is unhealthy and
00:48:01.18\00:48:06.35
asked Him to
bless that and eat it?
00:48:06.39\00:48:08.27
There is a scripture in 11
Corinthians I think 29 and is
00:48:08.30\00:48:12.12
talking about the Lord supper.
00:48:12.16\00:48:15.45
There is a scripture that
says very specifically, and it
00:48:15.49\00:48:18.57
is tied to taking communion,
but tell me that these words
00:48:18.60\00:48:21.88
are perhaps aren't true on
their own away from communion?
00:48:21.92\00:48:25.17
It says my people eat
unworthily and for this reason
00:48:25.20\00:48:30.47
many are sick and parish.
00:48:30.50\00:48:32.89
When I look at that scripture
I said what is He saying?
00:48:32.93\00:48:36.88
Because He told us to enjoy
our food with a merry heart
00:48:36.92\00:48:40.29
in Ecclesiastes but
nowhere with God, our Father or
00:48:40.33\00:48:43.19
what we tell our children
to eat something that is
00:48:43.22\00:48:46.05
not good for us.
00:48:46.08\00:48:47.52
You know we have a few minutes
left and I was wondering if
00:48:47.55\00:48:50.63
you could, I know there was
a lot of things you learned in
00:48:50.67\00:48:53.37
recovery is there anything
out you want to share with us?
00:48:53.40\00:48:58.57
I just talked to a lot about
food and it is not just what
00:48:58.61\00:49:02.62
you eat but what's eating
you and I feel led and impressed
00:49:02.65\00:49:07.27
to emphasize that the unwinding
of Ed and the healing of
00:49:07.31\00:49:12.11
Ed and in fact my getting
so sick physically really tied
00:49:12.15\00:49:15.83
to emotional issues and
spiritual issues and I don't
00:49:15.86\00:49:19.51
want to leave that under spoken.
00:49:19.55\00:49:21.52
Anyone who thinks they can
change their life simply by
00:49:21.55\00:49:24.71
changing what the eat or
how much they eat or how often
00:49:24.74\00:49:28.22
they eat it probably will
find themselves to be one third
00:49:28.26\00:49:31.70
fixed, or one third of
away to life and relapsing.
00:49:31.74\00:49:34.75
That is what the diets don't
work because diets go, I hate
00:49:34.78\00:49:39.63
that word, but diets go
to assume you can change the
00:49:39.67\00:49:42.27
behavior for a short
period of time without changing
00:49:42.31\00:49:44.87
any other real circumstances and
00:49:44.91\00:49:47.45
you'll get a
different result, wrong.
00:49:47.48\00:49:48.98
Only for a very short season.
00:49:49.01\00:49:50.42
So what is eating you is as
important as with our program
00:49:50.46\00:49:54.86
God took me back to the
history of my life and I saw the
00:49:54.90\00:49:59.04
people who hurt me and had
to forgive them and to heal
00:49:59.07\00:50:03.15
those wounds in me and the
people I hurt which is equal.
00:50:03.18\00:50:07.69
Right, and I want to ask
you, in a day did He do that?
00:50:07.73\00:50:12.20
No, no! - the way
you looked was no I wish.
00:50:12.24\00:50:16.57
I told you I was in my
little basement room and would
00:50:16.61\00:50:19.46
lay down there and sleep
down there for a while just
00:50:19.49\00:50:22.31
healing and
thinking I need to be alone.
00:50:22.35\00:50:23.89
When I came back from six
weeks away by the time I got
00:50:23.93\00:50:28.13
back and had went through it
I wasn't ready to assimilate.
00:50:28.17\00:50:32.33
I had to stay away
from work for the most part.
00:50:32.37\00:50:35.50
I didn't have a life, I
was a born again born again.
00:50:35.54\00:50:39.26
I was a baby and I am
still a baby in a way but
00:50:39.29\00:50:43.67
I have some wisdom
and knowledge to share.
00:50:43.70\00:50:46.00
It took I would say at least
eight months of solid, almost
00:50:46.03\00:50:51.44
every day prayerful and
submitted to the Lord saying
00:50:51.47\00:50:55.07
this thing, and
I will share this.
00:50:55.11\00:50:56.96
My prayer was God make me
the man You intended me to be
00:50:57.00\00:51:02.09
in my mother's womb
and that is Psalms 139.
00:51:02.13\00:51:04.11
Make me to realize Lord,
and I see with my eyes closed
00:51:04.15\00:51:07.18
I can go right back to
that place and say look what
00:51:07.21\00:51:09.79
I have done, look at
the psoriasis, look at this
00:51:09.82\00:51:12.33
at the emotional damage I did
to my family, look at the havoc,
00:51:12.36\00:51:15.92
look at the wreck of this man
at age 50 and the tragedy of it.
00:51:15.95\00:51:19.47
But for whatever reason
if I give it to You today and
00:51:19.51\00:51:23.49
submit myself and ask
You to make me the man
00:51:23.52\00:51:26.13
You plan me to be.
00:51:26.16\00:51:27.37
I will accept that and if
that means I'm out of careers
00:51:27.40\00:51:29.94
and I go broke, the worldly
way of going broke or whatever
00:51:29.97\00:51:33.66
that means, and He was assuring
me daily fear not because
00:51:33.69\00:51:37.34
you will have it all.
00:51:37.38\00:51:38.35
I will restore you in ways
of physical restoration and
00:51:38.36\00:51:40.83
the ability to walk on a
beach and get you a beach house.
00:51:40.86\00:51:43.33
It's a testament, I drew
a place in the institution.
00:51:43.37\00:51:46.22
They said draw a place a
dream of where you want to be.
00:51:46.26\00:51:49.48
I drew a place in chillingly
three years later I realized
00:51:49.52\00:51:52.85
we had built that place in
the subconscious we had did it.
00:51:52.88\00:51:56.18
- Gods that I want to bless you.
00:51:56.22\00:51:58.28
He said He wanted to bless me.
00:51:58.32\00:52:00.31
You have blessed us and
I want to say that you have
00:52:00.34\00:52:03.01
blessed us how I am so
grateful that you came on and so
00:52:03.04\00:52:06.65
grateful that you did this
journey and I know Ed, I know
00:52:06.69\00:52:10.01
that eight months a lot of
people will say eight months
00:52:10.04\00:52:13.33
is too long, that eight
months daily and I am sure
00:52:13.36\00:52:16.38
you were blessed by God.
00:52:16.42\00:52:17.98
Oh yes, yeah. - amen
00:52:18.01\00:52:19.50
Thank you so much and we'll
be right back so stay with us.
00:52:19.54\00:52:22.09
Amazing stories, real people
in real situations discussing
00:52:27.48\00:52:30.54
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00:52:30.57\00:52:32.52
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00:52:32.56\00:52:35.70
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00:52:42.20\00:52:45.46
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00:52:45.50\00:52:46.86
See for yourself how
God changed the lives of the
00:52:46.89\00:52:48.93
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00:52:48.96\00:52:51.86
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00:52:51.89\00:52:53.63
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00:52:53.66\00:52:55.37
You cannot give up some stuff
and hold on to other things.
00:52:59.95\00:53:02.70
CS Lewis wrote 'In
the Great Divorce',
00:53:02.74\00:53:04.93
I often thought when I
read that quote that what is a
00:53:16.43\00:53:19.72
souvenir? A souvenir is a
thing that remind you of a
00:53:19.76\00:53:22.77
pass thing and God is
saying give up all that stuff.
00:53:22.80\00:53:25.95
I gave up heroine and all
the stuff from the streets.
00:53:25.98\00:53:29.09
Some of the manipulation,
most of the lying and
00:53:29.13\00:53:31.57
I didn't even
see the core issue.
00:53:31.60\00:53:33.63
So what I love about God
is His love for us and it's so
00:53:33.66\00:53:36.64
great that it He stayed
right with me until I was able
00:53:36.67\00:53:39.61
to surrender all of my
issues, all of my junk.
00:53:39.64\00:53:43.87
Like my inability to
trust, to love and all of that.
00:53:43.90\00:53:47.52
I really did long to be
the normal, in fact not only
00:53:47.55\00:53:51.14
did I long to be
normal, I bought every single
00:53:51.17\00:53:53.91
self-help book on the planet.
00:53:53.95\00:53:55.42
I don't know if Ed went
through that, but I bought
00:53:55.46\00:53:58.32
everything, I had my shelves
full of stuff in one day as
00:53:58.35\00:54:02.52
I am in my basement, going
through my issues, letting God
00:54:02.55\00:54:06.69
bring healing into my
life, God said I want you to
00:54:06.72\00:54:09.16
give up your books,
all the self-help books.
00:54:09.20\00:54:11.70
I'm thinking no way, I can't
do it, how am I going to learn
00:54:11.73\00:54:15.68
to be well and
overcome my low self-esteem?
00:54:15.72\00:54:18.44
My depression and
this and that and He said,
00:54:18.48\00:54:21.13
when I come back you will be
perfect, perfect transformed.
00:54:21.17\00:54:26.12
I'm thinking yeah, but
are You coming back tomorrow?
00:54:26.15\00:54:29.62
If You're not coming back
tomorrow I just want to be
00:54:29.66\00:54:33.10
normal today and
He said trust Me.
00:54:33.13\00:54:35.52
It took me a long time,
but as soon as I learned to
00:54:35.56\00:54:38.73
surrender to Him, He
filled me with His Holy Spirit
00:54:38.77\00:54:41.91
who made me free.
00:54:41.94\00:54:43.87
Love, joy, peace, patience,
gentleness, goodness, faith,
00:54:43.90\00:54:47.99
meekness, temperance, self-
control, all with things I need
00:54:48.03\00:54:52.09
that I didn't
even know how to get.
00:54:52.12\00:54:53.96
He just gave them to me
free, to show me how to live as
00:54:53.99\00:54:57.65
I was created to live.
00:54:57.68\00:54:59.32
I didn't even believe that
these things really existed.
00:54:59.36\00:55:02.39
But God taught me that
they do and I can be healed by
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them, what an amazing thing.
00:55:05.46\00:55:08.19
Remember abstinence is
the beginning, one half of the
00:55:08.22\00:55:12.34
first step, in fact if
you want a guaranteed relapse,
00:55:12.37\00:55:16.45
do nothing after you
stop the drugs or whatever.
00:55:16.49\00:55:19.98
What ever has kept your
bondage, after you stop the food
00:55:20.02\00:55:23.17
like Ed was talking
about or the anger or rejection
00:55:23.21\00:55:27.32
or porn or bitterness or
alcohol or unforgiveness,
00:55:27.35\00:55:31.42
what ever, you will
relapse if you don't go further.
00:55:31.46\00:55:35.46
Know that you have the privilege
of asking God, the God who
00:55:35.50\00:55:39.73
created all things, the God
who is desired is to see you
00:55:39.76\00:55:43.67
healed, to lead you and He
will teach you how to live.
00:55:43.71\00:55:47.58
How to be healthy.
How to laugh. How to love.
00:55:47.62\00:55:50.66
How to grow in peace.
00:55:50.70\00:55:51.86
We do not recover
overnight, we grow in stages.
00:55:51.90\00:55:54.58
You don't have to wait like
I did to hear God say to you
00:55:54.62\00:55:58.20
after 21 years of
sobriety to be ready to start.
00:55:58.23\00:56:01.26
Start now because the
Bible says today if you hear His
00:56:01.30\00:56:04.85
voice don't harden your heart.
00:56:04.89\00:56:06.24
Today please listen
and do not turn a deaf ear,
00:56:06.27\00:56:09.10
Hebrews 4:7 says that.
00:56:09.14\00:56:11.25
Ask Him, it's His desire
to save you, to free you from
00:56:11.28\00:56:14.72
bondage as we talked about
with Ed and all the different
00:56:14.75\00:56:18.15
things that he had to look at.
00:56:18.19\00:56:19.32
All the different
places God had to take him.
00:56:19.35\00:56:21.37
All the way back
to his childhood.
00:56:21.41\00:56:23.43
I love what he said, God
is so gentle and He will be
00:56:23.46\00:56:26.93
gentle with you, He
will walk you in your head to
00:56:26.96\00:56:30.36
where you need to go, to
where the hurt was, where the
00:56:30.40\00:56:33.86
injustice was, where
the hurt you did to somebody
00:56:33.89\00:56:36.70
else and how to
forgive and all those things.
00:56:36.74\00:56:39.48
You just have to ask Him,
you got to ask Him and have
00:56:39.52\00:56:42.96
Faith that He is God and
He knows and He loves you.
00:56:43.00\00:56:46.86
Ed in his testimony talked
about God never giving up.
00:56:46.89\00:56:50.72
Never lost hope in him.
00:56:50.76\00:56:52.84
Never walked away from
him during those eight months
00:56:52.88\00:56:55.89
in the basement and He
will do the same, trust Him.
00:56:55.92\00:56:58.81
Next time on Celebrating
Life In Recover we are going
00:56:58.84\00:57:01.69
to talk about
faith and acceptance.
00:57:01.72\00:57:03.98
Faith and
acceptance is a huge thing.
00:57:04.02\00:57:06.21
We need to have faith that
God is God, that He loves us,
00:57:06.24\00:57:09.40
that he's crazy about us
and we need to accept all the
00:57:09.43\00:57:12.68
promises and the Bible that
are really geared towards us.
00:57:12.71\00:57:16.21
I never had a problem with
that, when we talk to people
00:57:16.24\00:57:19.71
and they have addictions
and alcoholism and porn
00:57:19.74\00:57:23.60
addictions and eating disorders
and all that stuff I never
00:57:23.64\00:57:26.56
have a problem with that
and every once in a while I hear
00:57:26.60\00:57:29.69
somebody that it wasn't their
addiction, their whole life
00:57:29.72\00:57:32.78
changes because of
somebody else's behavior.
00:57:32.81\00:57:35.02
Next week Joyce Swift is
going to be on this show and she
00:57:35.05\00:57:38.31
wrote a book' They
Are All Dead Aren't They?'
00:57:38.34\00:57:40.02
A young boy came in and killed
off everybody in her family
00:57:40.05\00:57:43.77
and devastated not only
her, but an entire community.
00:57:43.80\00:57:48.37
She had to pick herself
up, find out who she is again.
00:57:48.40\00:57:52.93
Who God is and how
she is she going to heal.
00:57:52.96\00:57:55.15
How is she going
to step out of that?
00:57:55.19\00:57:56.66
How was she going to
have faith and acceptance of
00:57:56.70\00:57:58.50
what God is doing?
00:57:58.54\00:57:59.76
You won't want to miss
this one, it is life-changing.
00:57:59.80\00:58:04.20
Until then please remember
that God is crazy about you.
00:58:04.23\00:58:08.85
He's crazy about me, He's
crazy about Ed, He is crazy
00:58:08.88\00:58:13.46
about all of us and
that is so exciting.
00:58:13.50\00:58:16.75
I want you to know that
I'm crazy about you too,
00:58:16.78\00:58:19.26
see you next week!
00:58:19.29\00:58:20.33