Hi, I'm C. A. Murray
and with me is Cheri Peters.
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And we are on the set of a
brand-new and exciting program
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called
Celebrating Life in Recovery.
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When I think about this
show words come to mind like
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edgy, cutting edge, bold,
aggressive, relevant, no equal
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in television, I don't
think we're doing anything like
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this and no other station
is doing anything like this.
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This is a brand-new show
touching, Cheri, subjects that
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sometimes we like to
keep hidden under the rug.
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Right, but I think as long
as we hide them they are going
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to eat us up,
they're going to destroy us.
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So when I first got a vision
from God about doing this,
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I was so excited because I
travel all over the place and
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meet hundreds of thousands
of people in various places
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in the world that are
struggling with addictions.
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They are addictions
they do not say out loud,
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so when I first thought
of this I wonder if I could,
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on 3ABN talk about sex
addictions, drug addictions,
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workaholism and religious
addictions, and molestation
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and all those things.
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At first I was thinking
probably people do not want to
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hear that stuff, they
don't want to look at it.
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At the time I had just found
out that my father had died.
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My real father died in a
crack house, strung out and he
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was doing so horrible
throughout his life and he dies
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and he is unrecognizable.
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When I find out I am so
sad, grieving because I hadn't
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seen him in like 18 years
and I was grieving and having
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a horrible time trying to
figure out how I'm going to
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deal with this and luckily
John Lomacang had just lost
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his father, so I
worked with him on that.
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I remember in worship one
morning saying God I am so sad
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and I don't know
how to get over that.
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I hear through the Holy
Spirit God's say, you know what?
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I feel that way over every
sinner that dies outside my
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relationship and when you
die outside of relationship
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because of these
addictions, these things have so
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kept us in bondage.
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I'm thinking we have a God
that says I, the theme text
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for this series, is
Isaiah 57:18 and it says,
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that I know all your
junk, I know all your stuff and
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I want to heal you anyway.
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We have a God that says I
know all your stuff, I want to
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heal you anyway,
don't die in that.
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Don't get lost in your
addictions and so I want to ask
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even the audience, if you're
not used to hearing things
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like sexual addictions,
and molestation, and all that
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kind of stuff, please, please
give me permission to talk
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about those things because
there are people in and out of
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the church that are dying.
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I know that God wants
to heal them. I know that!
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That's great, a number
of things come to my mind.
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I had a younger
brother, 36 years of age died in
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Los Angeles, drug addiction,
running from the family,
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running from the
Lord, running from me.
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I don't know what happened
during his last moments,
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but if we could have
gotten to him in time and got
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some help and he didn't
have to stay in the closet.
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As you know I have pastored
in New York City for 30 years.
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In my book I wrote
about people who had addictive
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problems, they had problems.
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- You had a crack
addict that you wrote about.
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- she was in bondage
twice, one she was in bondage to
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her addiction, but she was
also in bondage to the fear
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that if the religious folk
in the church found out about
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it should be ostracized,
she wouldn't be loved,
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she wouldn't be taken care of.
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That is why I think this
program is so vital, because one
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it strips off the fa÷ade,
I got stuff, you got stuff,
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all God's children got stuff.
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So we need to talk about
that stuff so that we can free
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ourselves from that stuff.
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The answer to all that
stuff is Jesus, but if you never
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talk about that stuff,
you never get to the answer.
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- Exactly, and I think as
soon as I realized, like I met
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Christ in the drug
house trying to kill myself.
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I was homeless for 10
years and have a background
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of heroin addiction.
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So I meet Him trying to
kill myself and the only sense
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I get from God Himself, is
that He absolutely adores me.
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He delights in me, I'm
thinking wait a minute.
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I'm sitting there, I'm
illiterate, I'm strung out,
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I have teeth missing
from getting beat one time,
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my teeth were knocked out.
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God just says, I adore you.
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I think that to the church
He is telling the church the
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same thing, and in our
addictions in the building.
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I have to show you something,
not show you but tell you
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something I think is amazing.
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There is a reality,
there is a reality in,
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let me find it.
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There is a reality that I
found out about that I thought
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was incredible, because I
always work with dysfunction.
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I work with sex addicts,
drug addicts, alcoholics and
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religious addictions,
perfectionism and all kinds of
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junk, just junk.
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But I find out that in the
United States alone, we are
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not talking worldwide,
but in the United States alone
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5 billion tranquilizers
are taken every year.
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5 billion barbiturates
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3 billion amphetamines
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16,000 tons of aspirin
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we are not real happy.
- no, no we are trying to
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medicate ourselves through life.
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- we are medicating ourselves
and I think, you know what?
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If that is true, even in a
normal population, or quote
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normal population, we are
trying to medicate ourselves
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then something is not okay.
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I want to talk to those
people too, I want to talk to
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people that are dying
with prescription drugs.
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That are dying in the
church building itself.
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It is not just the addict
it is strung out on the street.
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It is not just the person
that has made it all the way to
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jail, because I
coming from heroin addiction,
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homelessness, I come out
and find a God that gives me
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a life that is
absolutely incredible.
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I wouldn't trade my life
for anybody and that is what
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I think God wants to
do for each one of us.
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To have so delight in our
own skin that I don't want
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to trade that off for anybody.
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- in New York City there
are some 475,000 drug users,
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half a million.
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- but we are not
talking about normal drug users,
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physicians, doctors?
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- no these are the ones,
we are not talking about the
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hidden ones and some of
those folks go to church every
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week, they are in church.
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275,000 homeless individuals,
so what we are figuring,
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what we are seeing Cheri,
what is outside of the church
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is inside of the church.
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Because when we come to the
Lord we bring that stuff with
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us and then we have to
begin the healing process.
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That is why this program
is so vital, so important
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because it talks about
those things, I don't know.
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There are some folks out
there now that are getting
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a little squeamish, I don't
know if I want to hear that.
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We you know, there is
somebody there who needs to hear
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that, and maybe you need
to hear that because somebody
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who needs to hear
that will only hear you.
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So when you hear it, you can
transport that to somebody else.
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So this program, it is
vital, it's new, it is edgy,
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it is going to talk about
some things that are going to
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make people cry a little bit.
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It's going to make people
feel a little uncomfortable.
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But maybe it is time for
that Cheri, because God is
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coming soon and these
things have to be dealt
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with before Jesus comes.
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- we are in the
great controversy.
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We are just in the tail end
of that and I think the world
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it's not going to get better,
it's actually going to get
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worse so when people
come in the building they have
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struggles that are unbelievable.
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When they come in and look
at us, we are afraid to let
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them talk because we
don't know what to do.
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It scares them, please tell
me you can give me an answer.
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That's why I think that
even if you don't have the same
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issues that we are
talking about, listen up because
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there somebody may be in
front of you, like you said
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at one point, and you will
have an answer to tell them.
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The church is what is going
to bring health to the world,
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I think, especially as
they walk in our doors.
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When I was into recovery I
went through 'Steps to Christ'
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in a heroin addiction just
flown into rehab and I wept
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like a baby, because I thought
oh man, because the first
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chapter in Step to Christ
says things like, that God is
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God, God is the God that
created the entire universe.
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Spoke and the
universe came into existence.
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I'm thinking, oh,
that guy is the one that
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wants to change my
life, and He Spoke the
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Universe into Existence.
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I am thinking, I all of a sudden
I thought, let's go through
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every chapter with different
issues, every single chapter
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to stay with that book.
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So this program, the
first segment is going
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through 'Steps to Christ'.
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Like I said the first show,
like this show understanding
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that God is God and He
spoke the world into existence.
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When I was a little girl
I was trashed, I'm trashed.
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I was abused, my parents
were drug addicts, and it was
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right before I
ended up homeless.
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I was standing by a wishing
well in Chinatown, and I am
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with my uncle and everybody
is throwing quarters into
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this wishing well.
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I am thinking man,
I want those quarters.
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It was like,
what are they doing?
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I want to jump in and
gather stuff up and he said no.
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When you throw quarter
in your wish will come true.
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I'm like shut up,
are you kidding me.
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No, so he gives me a
quarter, and I'm thinking what
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would my wish be?
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I thought of one and
I threw a quarter in.
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The wish I thought of was
I wanted the skies turn to
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cotton Candy, well that
night was the first time I
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had seen a sunset it was
pink and orange and beautiful.
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For whatever
reason, I knew there was
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something bigger than me.
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I think that God does that,
He not only spoke the world
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into creation but
He says, you know what?
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Give Me a chance and I will
use the very creation to tell
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you that I love you, to
walk you through your recovery.
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So going through 'Steps to
Christ' is being able to say
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let's get something underneath
us in the first part of
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recovery, find out who God
is, find out who Christ is,
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find out what things He
offers us as far as His ability
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to bring healing into our lives.
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I'm so excited because I
felt it, I know who God is.
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I know what He is
going to bring to the table.
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So the only thing for
anybody strung out, and addict,
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porn addict, or if you are
addicted to any kind of stuff.
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I want to tell you, we
will talk about everything.
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The first couple of shows
on confession, on repentance,
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those kind of things.
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The first couple of
shows, let me look at this,
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repentance,
confession and consecration.
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We are going to talk
about first, a friend of mine is
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coming on, Fred and
Brenda Stoeker, and they are
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absolutely amazing folks.
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Fred wrote a series
called 'Every Man's Battle'.
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I need to just jump in
Cheri because when we talk about
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these issues, repentance,
confession, consecration,
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they seem like regular
little Bible study things.
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One of things we need to
tell our folks is that we are
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going to put some
tough legs on these issues.
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We are talking
repentance, repentance for what?
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What have I done
that I need to repent of?
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So we talk about
every man's battle,
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what are we talking about?
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Were talking about
severe sexual addictions.
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Like this guy at one time
was not only addicted to porn
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but was sleeping with
everybody on the planet I think.
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His life, before coming a
Christian, that was like the
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macho thing to do, all his
friends were like, your the man.
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Then he becomes a Christian
and realizes I don't want to be
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that and what happened to
him was the saddest thing.
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What happens to a lot of us
coming into the church, is we
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don't want to be that, but
all that stuff is in our head.
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We've developed an appetite
now and you have to deal
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with that appetite because
you have been bending the tree
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this way for so long, and
now you want to straighten it
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up, how do you do that?
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It's repentance for us
in a nice way to look at it
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very superficial, just saying
I understand my sin and I'm not
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going to do it anymore.
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But that is not
what repentance is.
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Repentance is understanding
the whole dynamics of that.
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Like what you're putting
out there, like Fred Stoeker
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said, he wasn't safe around
any woman no matter what age,
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because he would
go there in his head.
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Now as he understood the
sin, as he understood what
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holiness is, who Christ
is, he said I could stand in
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the presence of any
young woman and be safe.
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Not only be safe but be a
man of integrity, a man of God
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and bring that health to them.
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When he says that he cries,
because God has brought him
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through
repentance, amazing stuff.
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- and that, Cheri, needs
to be talked about because if
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Fred had it,
someone else has it.
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Several thousand people
have it and they need to hear
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I can get out of this.
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One of the things that
happens with addiction is that
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you spiral down so far that
it becomes your whole world.
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No light is getting
into that black hole.
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- The devil says if they
find out you are in trouble.
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You are going to be so
ashamed so you hide it more
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and more and more.
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This show will allow light to
come in, and the world to open
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up again because
we are discussing it.
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In discussion there is healing.
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- Amen, not only healing,
but like Fred and Brenda when
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they come on, Fred has
written a number of books.
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One of them is called
'Tactics', and it is about how
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to stay off addiction.
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How do you find accountability?
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How do you do those things?
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So it is not only here's
the issue, here's Christ.
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Here are some really
practical things to do.
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Brenda Stoeker, she is
this normal Christian woman
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and finds out her husband
is all strung out on porn.
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I'm telling you there
are some off there right now
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just watching
this part that says,
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I don't understand that.
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If you knew what was in
your community, you would know
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that you need
to understand this.
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Cliff and Freddie Harris
are going to be on one of
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the shows on confession.
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He has a horrible background
of drug addiction and being
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out there, and it's not
so much that I want people to
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hear the backgrounds, but
I want you to understand that
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when Christ comes in
there is such a joy when you see
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the mercy of God and
what He wants in our lives.
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The way He walks
us into recovery.
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When you talk about confession,
is confession like this
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superficial God
forgive me for lying.
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God says no, there is
something in your character that
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allows lying, but let's
look at the character stuff.
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Let's go deep into that,
and when someone says character
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stuff, you don't even
know how dark that gets.
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God does, God does and He,
going back toward theme text,
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I know all your stuff
and I love you anyway,
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and I will heal you anyway.
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I'm thinking there are some
people who are getting a little
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squeamish because they
just don't, I don't have those
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problems, I don't
have that kind of thing.
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I have a sermon, one of
the things I say is that
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sometimes we get the
victory through senility.
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Were just too old to bogey.
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We forget what it
was like we were young.
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Yet there is a sphere of
influence of young people around
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you who may need to hear
what you have to say who are
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stuck and these things
and that is why this is so
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important, even though
this may not be your life,
00:15:03.43\00:15:06.26
someone near you
it is their life.
00:15:06.30\00:15:09.04
The Lord may be calling
you to minister to them through
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the like this kind of
program, this is vital, this is
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good, this is edgy,
this is good television,
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but more than that it is
relevant television because
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it touches the hearts and
lives of those we see today.
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In my last church we
found needles down in the
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basement of the church.
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Deacon came up and said
where did these come from?
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Needles in the church.
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People with porn
addictions in the church.
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There was one organization
that had a group of pastors
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come in for Pastoral
conference and I don't remember
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what denomination,
there were 7000 pastors.
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In the area hotels, the
rentals for porn went up
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in a huge way, I think
most the pastors who were in
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these rooms renting these
movies probably didn't think
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anyone would know.
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The rental was so significant
that people actually said
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when this group comes into
town there's more junk on TV.
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So being able to say that,
I don't say that in order to
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shame anyone, I just say
that in order to say we don't
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have to be stuck there, we
don't have to be stuck there.
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On the first set of serious
there is a guy coming on.
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He is a normal Christian
guy and his name is Ed McClure.
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His wife Ann, they are
amazing, but when he realized
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he was in trouble, I love
this because we are in such
00:16:20.63\00:16:23.22
denial, when he realized
he was in trouble he was 500
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pounds, so his
addiction was food.
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But it started out with
an early molest, and it was
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something he just blocked,
so to be able for him to come
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out, when he went to
the doctor, he was lucky
00:16:38.11\00:16:41.15
enough to find a doctor
that said to him, do you
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have any emotional issues?
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Rejection, unforgiveness,
any of that kind of stuff?
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That tends to show
up in eating disorders.
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So let's talk about that
instead of dealing with any
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of his foodstuff, he had
him on his knees in his office
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praying for
forgiving people in his life.
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So we will talk about
the, what are the connections
00:17:01.92\00:17:04.98
with physical
issues and those things.
00:17:05.01\00:17:07.55
What I love about those
connections is the fact that,
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I just want to run some
things by you I think is real
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interesting, there is a
guy that wrote a book called
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'Deadly Emotions', also
Ellen White talked a lot about
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90% of our diseases are
from stress or emotional junk.
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So this guy wrote this
book 'Deadly Emotions. '
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One of the things he says,
for one you have to understand
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the mind-body spiritual thing.
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That there is a connection
and you can overcome that.
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So I want to say that
before I get into any of this.
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You can overcome that, another
thing I want to talk about
00:17:41.95\00:17:45.45
is anger and hostility
causes hypertension, coronary
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heart disease, resentment,
bitterness, unforgiveness, self
00:17:49.50\00:17:54.38
hatred, autoimmune disorders,
arthritis, lupus, multiple
00:17:54.41\00:17:59.25
sclerosis, anxiety,
irritated bowl syndrome, panic
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attacks, heart palpitations,
repressed anger, tension,
00:18:03.07\00:18:06.78
migraine headaches,
chronic back issues.
00:18:06.81\00:18:09.25
- physically you're
killing yourself by holding onto
00:18:09.28\00:18:11.20
that grudge, sure.
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And I have to say, fibromyalgia
is a big thing, people
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who have fibromyalgia or
chronic fatigue syndrome.
00:18:16.74\00:18:20.73
That is all repressed anger.
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So when people say, we
don't you talk about all this.
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I just want to say
any where I travel,
00:18:26.92\00:18:29.54
anywhere I travel I go to
a church and by the time I'm
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out of that church I have
been there six or seven hours
00:18:32.60\00:18:35.56
doing one to one with people.
00:18:35.60\00:18:37.53
We're talking about
things that are killing them.
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I just want to say to people
please, don't be afraid to
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bring the stuff to God,
don't be afraid to look at it
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because it is killing
us one way or another.
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- Yes, yes that is so exciting,
again to not discuss these
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things is to hurt ourselves.
00:18:52.64\00:18:54.74
You know that old adage, what
you don't know won't hurt you.
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What you don't do, what
you don't discuss maybe killing
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you, yeah, yeah and we are
bringing healing by bringing
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light to these subjects.
00:19:04.01\00:19:05.87
I like, I really like that
text that God knows your stuff
00:19:05.90\00:19:11.12
and He wants to heal you anyway.
00:19:11.16\00:19:12.86
Is really, really exciting,
God is not turned off by
00:19:12.90\00:19:15.33
these things and God's
people shouldn't be turned off.
00:19:15.37\00:19:17.72
They don't surprise Jesus
and they don't surprise the
00:19:17.76\00:19:19.97
devil, the only time a
person is really surprised
00:19:20.01\00:19:22.19
sometimes it's us,
but God is not surprised.
00:19:22.22\00:19:24.22
The devil is not surprised
because he causes a lot of it.
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So it needs to be talked about.
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Exactly, exactly.
00:19:28.04\00:19:29.92
But before we talk about
this much further we have a
00:19:29.95\00:19:31.86
break coming, stay by
we will be right back.
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Hi, C. A. Murray and
Cheri Peters and we are talking
00:20:22.65\00:20:25.80
about Celebrating Life In
Recovery, this brand-new show
00:20:25.84\00:20:28.96
that you don't want to miss.
00:20:29.00\00:20:30.49
You really don't want to
miss this one because it deals
00:20:30.53\00:20:33.89
with real-life, real-life
issues, life as it is not as we
00:20:33.93\00:20:37.12
want it to be, as we find
it, how God takes us, and where
00:20:37.15\00:20:40.31
we are makes us
what He wants us to be.
00:20:40.35\00:20:42.73
- Exactly, you know it is
like even not long ago I sat
00:20:42.76\00:20:46.14
with a 10-year-old prostitute.
00:20:46.18\00:20:47.92
10 years old and her
parents are in prison for
00:20:47.96\00:20:50.14
prostitution, her mother.
00:20:50.18\00:20:52.01
She is now put in a foster
care system and was picked up
00:20:52.04\00:20:55.83
by a Christian family which
really has in their mind that
00:20:55.87\00:20:59.62
they want to do
everything for her.
00:20:59.66\00:21:01.61
But she is in the mindset,
this little girl, her mindset
00:21:01.64\00:21:03.99
is that she has to find
every perpetrator in her
00:21:04.03\00:21:06.53
environment, in the church
at the school and play them.
00:21:06.57\00:21:09.88
She was talking to me
about that this is who I am.
00:21:09.91\00:21:13.85
This is what I know and so
what was incredible I think is
00:21:13.89\00:21:17.73
that God put her next to me.
00:21:17.77\00:21:19.39
Because I could sit there
and walk her into being able to
00:21:19.43\00:21:22.32
give that up and see herself
different, maybe even do in
00:21:22.36\00:21:25.21
that paradigm shift to were
instead of seeing herself as
00:21:25.24\00:21:28.21
this little prostitute, to
see herself as somebody that
00:21:28.24\00:21:31.18
God can actually heal.
00:21:31.21\00:21:32.51
So I think when we talk
about these things, they are out
00:21:32.54\00:21:35.49
there, I just got back
from Christian University.
00:21:35.52\00:21:37.52
It is really an
incredible University.
00:21:37.56\00:21:40.08
I talked about a girl
being date raped, I talked with
00:21:40.12\00:21:43.21
another girl, she had tried
ecstasy for the first time.
00:21:43.25\00:21:46.13
It was the first time
she felt normal, she was ADD
00:21:46.16\00:21:49.00
and she was
getting lost with that.
00:21:49.04\00:21:51.03
And with this series my
hope is, not only I want to just
00:21:51.07\00:21:54.97
beg people for permission
to say all this stuff out
00:21:55.01\00:21:58.32
loud, because my hope is
they will meet the guy I met
00:21:58.36\00:22:01.64
in the drug house
trying to kill myself.
00:22:01.68\00:22:03.36
God said I have such
incredible plans for you,
00:22:03.40\00:22:06.34
and it's not to be in
bondage with all this.
00:22:06.37\00:22:09.25
I think that for most of
us we think if we don't talk
00:22:09.28\00:22:13.30
about it, it will go away.
00:22:13.34\00:22:14.93
- Yeah, and it's
not going to go away.
00:22:14.96\00:22:15.93
It's not going to go away.
00:22:15.94\00:22:17.02
- It's going to get worse
and the prison walls get thicker
00:22:17.06\00:22:19.77
and thicker, the bars
get tighter and tighter if we
00:22:19.80\00:22:22.47
try to keep silent and
not deal with these things.
00:22:22.51\00:22:25.10
- Right, so anybody that
is out there listening even to
00:22:25.14\00:22:28.44
this show, and you
are keeping silent,
00:22:28.47\00:22:31.03
no you do not have to.
00:22:31.06\00:22:32.96
Know that there is a movement,
even in the Christian church
00:22:32.99\00:22:38.34
that says we are
done being silent.
00:22:38.37\00:22:40.48
Now we are done being
silent because we want to shock
00:22:40.51\00:22:42.78
everybody, we are done
being silent because there is
00:22:42.82\00:22:45.05
victory in
Christ and I know what.
00:22:45.08\00:22:46.88
People are getting where
they are starting to depend so
00:22:46.92\00:22:49.61
much on the Holy Spirit
and victory comes through that
00:22:49.64\00:22:52.57
dependence and it is like
being able to say in something
00:22:52.61\00:22:55.46
like this that we are not white
knuckling it through recovery.
00:22:55.50\00:22:58.87
We are
celebrating life in recovery.
00:22:58.90\00:23:01.62
You know Cheri lets make a
pledge, let's not be shocked
00:23:01.65\00:23:04.93
anymore, no more shock.
00:23:04.97\00:23:06.85
When somebody says I'm
smoking this, I'm snorting this,
00:23:06.88\00:23:09.93
I have had this, no more shock.
00:23:09.97\00:23:11.40
One because the devil's not
shocked, he causes the stuff.
00:23:11.43\00:23:15.10
Jesus not shocked
because He has seen it before.
00:23:15.13\00:23:17.59
The only people
that are shocked are us.
00:23:17.62\00:23:19.49
So let's not be shocked
anymore, let's be like Christ.
00:23:19.52\00:23:21.48
Let's go to that woman at
the well who has had seven
00:23:21.51\00:23:23.43
husbands, were not
shocked we love you.
00:23:23.47\00:23:25.20
Because God loves you.
00:23:25.23\00:23:26.30
That is what this program
does, it says no more shock.
00:23:26.34\00:23:29.03
I love even what you said,
Christ was with the woman at
00:23:29.07\00:23:31.86
the well, and she is
dancing around the fact that she
00:23:31.90\00:23:34.66
is not with, married
to the guy she's with.
00:23:34.69\00:23:38.08
And God never condemned
her, and it is amazing.
00:23:38.11\00:23:40.94
I worked with this
one guy, and I love him.
00:23:40.97\00:23:43.73
He has been on 3ABN with me
before and he has 15 piercings
00:23:43.76\00:23:47.00
on its face, dragons
tattooed all over his head,
00:23:47.03\00:23:49.62
strung out on everything,
and he meets Christ, and God
00:23:49.66\00:23:52.81
slowly convinces him
to let the piercings go.
00:23:52.85\00:23:57.82
To let his hair grow out
so you can't see the Dragon.
00:23:57.86\00:24:00.20
So God is such an
incredible recovery partner.
00:24:00.24\00:24:03.66
We have to let Him be that.
00:24:03.69\00:24:06.04
One thing about Celebrating
Life In Recovery is this idea
00:24:06.07\00:24:10.20
I have sat in counseling
sessions and have had people say
00:24:10.24\00:24:14.42
things and inside my heart
is going, you have got to be.
00:24:14.46\00:24:18.15
But you have to be stone
faced because when a person has
00:24:18.19\00:24:21.45
gotten their life so beat
up that they are coming to you
00:24:21.48\00:24:24.11
and exposing all this stuff,
the last thing they need is
00:24:24.15\00:24:26.74
Cheri how did you
let that happen to you?
00:24:26.78\00:24:29.41
That's what this show does,
it doesn't waste time saying
00:24:29.44\00:24:34.18
girl, how did you
let that happen to you?
00:24:34.22\00:24:36.83
Did you pray about it yet?
00:24:36.86\00:24:38.01
It goes right to, this is
what you got, now we need to
00:24:38.05\00:24:41.33
find Jesus so you
can get some healing.
00:24:41.37\00:24:42.98
That is what is redemptive
and is the most exciting about
00:24:43.02\00:24:45.37
this show, because it
doesn't just address problems,
00:24:45.41\00:24:47.82
it redresses them and it
says this is what's happening,
00:24:47.86\00:24:50.24
this is how we
fix it, here's Jesus.
00:24:50.27\00:24:52.70
When Jesus meet your
problem, healing happens.
00:24:52.73\00:24:54.80
Let's look at a little bit
of the clip from the guy with
00:24:54.83\00:24:59.73
the sex addiction,
Fred and Brenda Stoeker.
00:24:59.77\00:25:02.29
Also we are going to see
a clip on Cliff and Freddie
00:25:02.33\00:25:05.85
Harris and Ed McClure
on changing their life.
00:25:05.88\00:25:08.49
And you're going
to love all of them,
00:25:08.52\00:25:10.15
so let's just
watch that. - Great
00:25:10.18\00:25:11.77
Can you tell us a
little bit, in just a nutshell,
00:25:13.25\00:25:15.96
your testimony and then
I will ask Brenda how did
00:25:16.00\00:25:18.67
she deal with all that.
00:25:18.71\00:25:20.03
In college I got hooked
on pornography pretty deeply.
00:25:20.06\00:25:24.05
Then I was chasing women
and had four girlfriends.
00:25:24.09\00:25:27.39
I was sleeping with three
of them and was essentially
00:25:27.43\00:25:30.70
engaged to be married to two.
00:25:30.73\00:25:32.10
Honestly, I thought he was
making it up and I laughed.
00:25:32.14\00:25:35.58
I said, you have got
to be making this up.
00:25:35.62\00:25:37.45
This is too weird. -
He came and told you?
00:25:37.48\00:25:39.25
Yes he told me about the
struggles he had been having
00:25:39.28\00:25:41.81
and he was explaining to
me some of the ways men are
00:25:41.85\00:25:44.34
different from women.
00:25:44.38\00:25:45.84
It was so different
from what I understood.
00:25:45.88\00:25:48.01
So I had to learn quite
a lot on the differences
00:25:48.05\00:25:53.17
between men and women.
00:25:53.21\00:25:54.52
This type of betrayal for
women is extremely painful.
00:25:54.55\00:25:58.36
My son was just 12
years old, he was just 12.
00:26:00.43\00:26:08.21
I was downstairs in the
basement and I had a syringe
00:26:08.25\00:26:15.91
in my arm, and he came
running down the steps and he
00:26:15.94\00:26:21.46
stopped at the second step
that made him eye level with
00:26:21.49\00:26:26.97
me and he pointed his
finger at me and said, daddy
00:26:27.01\00:26:32.42
that is what you went
to jail for last week.
00:26:32.46\00:26:35.67
I know it was nothing
but the Holy Spirit speaking
00:26:38.73\00:26:41.38
through him saying,
Clifford get it together.
00:26:41.41\00:26:44.13
I'm not ready yet Jesus, I've
got to get high one more time,
00:26:45.88\00:26:51.72
do you know what it is
like to live with a drug addict?
00:26:57.96\00:27:00.29
Your wife comes home
from work and she goes in her
00:27:02.22\00:27:05.02
bedroom and shuts the door.
00:27:05.05\00:27:07.01
Your kids come home from
school and they go to their
00:27:07.05\00:27:09.57
bedroom and shut their door.
00:27:09.60\00:27:11.89
And you are sitting in
the chair out, looking crazy.
00:27:11.92\00:27:16.71
Because I want to feel
good, because I want to be
00:27:16.74\00:27:21.49
one of the fellows.
00:27:21.52\00:27:24.00
When you do drugs brother,
drugs become the number one
00:27:27.44\00:27:31.91
factor in your life.
00:27:31.94\00:27:34.59
You don't care about your
mama, you don't care about
00:27:34.63\00:27:38.24
your children, you
don't care about your wife,
00:27:38.28\00:27:40.58
you don't care about your self.
00:27:40.62\00:27:42.64
Nothing else matters, I made
the wrong decision in my life.
00:27:44.58\00:27:50.07
I am sitting here listening
to Cliff and I am thinking
00:27:50.11\00:27:54.75
Cliff, I am that 12-year-old
boy looking you in the eye.
00:27:54.79\00:27:59.37
Probably in tears, saying daddy
this is what got you in jail.
00:27:59.40\00:28:06.45
Cheri: because your
dad was dealing drugs.
00:28:06.49\00:28:09.26
- you remind me so much of my
dad, and you know I was thinking
00:28:09.30\00:28:12.19
sitting here thinking, I
want to throw this glass at you.
00:28:12.23\00:28:16.12
This use to be my daily
wear, and I used to stuff myself
00:28:17.89\00:28:19.97
into this, close to 500
pounds and really miserable.
00:28:20.00\00:28:25.06
The weight was the least of
my problems it seemed because
00:28:25.09\00:28:28.26
I had chronic,
severe, severe depression.
00:28:28.30\00:28:31.91
Anxiety for years, heart
arrhythmia, high blood pressure,
00:28:31.95\00:28:36.50
oozing knarred psoriasis
that nobody could contend with.
00:28:36.53\00:28:40.37
- even all that is just a
symptom of toxins and poisons
00:28:40.40\00:28:44.20
oozing out of your
body. - absolutely,
00:28:44.23\00:28:45.96
outward manifestations
of inward conditions.
00:28:46.00\00:28:49.30
Medications, I was on
chronic medications, 7 different
00:28:49.34\00:28:53.73
medications that
quote you never get off,
00:28:53.76\00:28:56.41
you never stop taking them,
they are with you for ever.
00:28:56.45\00:28:59.25
In one year we
dropped right at 200 pounds.
00:28:59.29\00:29:02.24
It really took 15 months
to get off all the medication,
00:29:02.27\00:29:06.05
and I've stayed
off the medications and
00:29:06.09\00:29:08.90
it has been amazing transition.
00:29:08.94\00:29:10.95
Cheri: you are half
the man you used to be!
00:29:10.99\00:29:12.84
Well yeah, about 2/3rd's, oh
3/5, 60% of the man I use to be.
00:29:12.87\00:29:18.69
I wish that you could
see everybody on these shows.
00:29:20.21\00:29:22.66
I wish the whole entire
audience could meet them
00:29:22.69\00:29:25.11
personally
because they are amazing.
00:29:25.14\00:29:26.76
It is amazing where
they have come from.
00:29:26.80\00:29:28.35
As you saw, it is amazing
what they have dealt with,
00:29:28.38\00:29:31.20
and it is also amazing
what God has done in their life.
00:29:31.23\00:29:34.02
Now they are
reaching out to other people,
00:29:34.05\00:29:36.26
teaching other people to
have the victory they've gotten
00:29:36.29\00:29:39.30
which is incredible.
00:29:39.33\00:29:41.38
- it really is. - I didn't
want to say amazing again.
00:29:41.41\00:29:43.15
It's incredible.
00:29:43.19\00:29:45.21
It is both amazing and
incredible, one that you can get
00:29:45.25\00:29:49.07
healing for this stuff.
00:29:49.10\00:29:50.59
That you do not
have to stay in the hole.
00:29:50.62\00:29:53.84
If you have enough sense to
call Jesus has enough love to
00:29:53.87\00:29:57.30
answer Cheri, you know
that because a lot of these
00:29:57.33\00:29:59.91
stories are your stories,
you have been there and done
00:29:59.94\00:30:02.49
that and seen it and lived it.
00:30:02.52\00:30:03.94
Even when you severely change,
your body neuro-chemically,
00:30:03.97\00:30:08.91
you change your mind,
and all that stuff in your
00:30:08.95\00:30:11.81
addictions, and God
says again that is nothing,
00:30:11.84\00:30:14.44
I created the entire
world, I created everything,
00:30:14.48\00:30:17.19
spoke it into existence,
trust Me with your life.
00:30:17.22\00:30:20.17
So being able to say in
Celebrating Life In Recovery
00:30:20.20\00:30:23.03
in the first place I want
to get to, and the first place
00:30:23.07\00:30:25.60
I want everybody to get to
is that we have a God that is
00:30:25.63\00:30:29.21
says understand who I Am,
and trust Me with your stuff.
00:30:29.24\00:30:33.24
When these shows are being
taped, we here at 3ABN have
00:30:33.27\00:30:36.50
to get used to some
stuff because you brought young
00:30:36.53\00:30:40.48
people in who didn't
look like Sabbath school kids.
00:30:40.51\00:30:45.16
They brought their affect
with them and we had to learn
00:30:45.19\00:30:48.73
you don't go by the outer
appearance because they are in
00:30:48.77\00:30:51.78
different stages of growth,
and in different stages of
00:30:51.81\00:30:55.38
change, and I'm so glad,
so glad that Jesus can pull us
00:30:55.42\00:30:58.82
out, Jesus can change us,
Jesus can make take us the way
00:30:58.85\00:31:02.22
we are and make us
something He wants us to be.
00:31:02.26\00:31:04.85
We will see that on these shows,
00:31:04.89\00:31:06.44
and that is very, very exciting.
00:31:06.47\00:31:07.95
I have to tell you something
I thought was very amazing.
00:31:07.98\00:31:09.73
I asked God one-time, I
said God who do work with?
00:31:09.77\00:31:13.71
I mean do You work
with the child molester?
00:31:13.75\00:31:16.57
Do You work with a
gay guy down the street?
00:31:16.61\00:31:19.23
Do You work with the
one strung out on porn?
00:31:19.27\00:31:21.83
Do You work with the,
the hardest one for me is the
00:31:21.86\00:31:24.78
religious addict
judging everybody.
00:31:24.81\00:31:26.70
Do You work with a
person that is a workaholic and
00:31:26.73\00:31:28.73
driving you crazy?
00:31:28.76\00:31:30.32
Type A, okay God just
tell me, who do You work with?
00:31:30.36\00:31:34.01
Through the Holy Spirit,
He said I'll make it real
00:31:34.05\00:31:37.42
simple, and I'm thinking
okay because I have two brain
00:31:37.45\00:31:40.79
cells simple is good.
00:31:40.82\00:31:42.18
He said get a mirror, a
little mirror, and put it under
00:31:42.21\00:31:47.13
their nose and if it steams up,
if it fogs up, work with them.
00:31:47.17\00:31:52.23
So if somebody is breathing,
if they're breathing God
00:31:52.26\00:31:55.50
says they are My child
and I died to reconcile them.
00:31:55.53\00:31:59.39
Reconcile them in a sense
that some day God will come
00:31:59.43\00:32:02.92
back and take them, but to
reconcile them today, to have
00:32:02.95\00:32:06.10
them be filled with joy today,
to delight in who they are
00:32:06.14\00:32:09.26
today because they have met God.
00:32:09.29\00:32:10.72
If we could see that in
the church, that in the church
00:32:10.76\00:32:13.85
God says heal first
here and once you get an
00:32:13.89\00:32:17.31
understanding of who I Am,
I will flood the building with
00:32:17.34\00:32:20.37
people and people who want
you to have the right answer.
00:32:20.40\00:32:23.79
How do I get, you know I'm
dying, physically, mentally,
00:32:23.82\00:32:27.17
spiritually I'm dying.
00:32:27.20\00:32:28.51
Please address all those
things, don't just don't feed me
00:32:28.55\00:32:31.42
some brown rice, bring me
in an address all those things.
00:32:31.46\00:32:34.30
Let God heal me. -except
me for that which I have.
00:32:34.33\00:32:38.13
You want me to the
whole, but I am not whole.
00:32:38.17\00:32:41.04
So you have to take me
where I am and move me along
00:32:41.07\00:32:43.86
that road to wholeness.
00:32:43.90\00:32:45.53
The guy with the facial
piercings that I talked about,
00:32:45.56\00:32:48.17
what was interesting is I
bring him into the church,
00:32:48.21\00:32:50.65
it was the funniest thing,
bring him into the church and
00:32:50.69\00:32:53.10
he doesn't even know how to sit.
00:32:53.13\00:32:55.47
He's nervous sitting, he
doesn't know how to eat with
00:32:55.51\00:32:57.97
somebody, I sent him to
the pastor to be baptized.
00:32:58.00\00:33:00.51
You have to picture this,
he goes over there and comes
00:33:00.54\00:33:03.51
back over and says, that
pastor is lucky I didn't just
00:33:03.55\00:33:06.48
bash his face in,
that guy is a nut.
00:33:06.52\00:33:09.30
He is screaming and yelling and
says the only reason I didn't
00:33:09.34\00:33:12.80
bash in his face is because
he's your pastor and I love you.
00:33:12.83\00:33:16.26
I am thinking man,
he is just furious.
00:33:16.29\00:33:19.92
What did he say to you?
00:33:19.95\00:33:22.56
He said you know the
dude I accepted, Jesus?
00:33:22.59\00:33:25.06
He said that dude
was three dudes in one.
00:33:25.10\00:33:27.53
I thought how funny is
that, and so this is somebody
00:33:29.48\00:33:32.44
that doesn't even
know basic things we think
00:33:32.47\00:33:35.52
we will need to teach them.
00:33:35.56\00:33:37.37
He doesn't even know
anything, and he was saying I am
00:33:37.40\00:33:40.42
so lost, I don't
know how to be a parent.
00:33:40.46\00:33:43.04
We have one show talking
about him, he doesn't know how
00:33:43.07\00:33:46.53
to be a parent and
when his kids were crying,
00:33:46.57\00:33:48.19
when they were little, he
was so strong out on drugs,
00:33:48.22\00:33:51.51
he would put pillows over
their face till they passed
00:33:51.55\00:33:54.81
out so he could get some sleep.
00:33:54.84\00:33:56.59
In his drug state, he
thought that was okay.
00:33:56.62\00:34:00.23
As God is healing him, as
God is bringing around healing
00:34:00.27\00:34:04.23
he says, I keep this
image of some of the things I've
00:34:04.27\00:34:08.20
done, horrendous this
things, horrible things.
00:34:08.23\00:34:10.69
At the same time I get
this image, I hear God say,
00:34:10.73\00:34:14.47
I forgive you and
he cries like a baby.
00:34:14.50\00:34:17.69
Because that is who God is,
and God is saying as a church
00:34:17.73\00:34:20.83
be that for each other
and you would heal like crazy.
00:34:20.86\00:34:23.53
- praise God, you know we
are talking about experiences,
00:34:23.57\00:34:25.89
and one of the reasons I
think this show is so valuable,
00:34:25.93\00:34:28.22
I look back at my own
Ministry years ago Cheri.
00:34:28.25\00:34:30.66
My first church I had a
fellow come to me and said,
00:34:30.70\00:34:33.26
pastor my sister is a
prostitute and she's working for
00:34:33.30\00:34:35.82
this guy and we got
to go get my sister.
00:34:35.86\00:34:38.30
Like we have to go to
the house and get her.
00:34:38.33\00:34:40.92
So we dress up like
ninja's, black jeans, black
00:34:40.95\00:34:43.67
everything and we go to
the house and we said at
00:34:43.70\00:34:46.38
11 o'clock you
have to be at that door.
00:34:46.42\00:34:47.92
And you have to jump
through the window and we will
00:34:47.96\00:34:49.94
catch you and
we're going to runaway.
00:34:49.97\00:34:51.89
To start with I'm in my early
20's, we did it, I put on my
00:34:51.92\00:34:55.25
black jeans and a black hood
and we were there at 11 o'clock.
00:34:55.28\00:34:58.57
She comes to the window
and throws out her suitcase.
00:34:58.61\00:35:01.32
We go through this whole
thing, we get her into church
00:35:01.36\00:35:04.04
and while I was there
I tried to stay with her.
00:35:04.07\00:35:06.07
But after a left that church
I found out she went right
00:35:06.11\00:35:08.88
back, because she didn't
find nurturing, she was ashamed
00:35:08.92\00:35:11.88
of her life, and the good
people in church never embraced
00:35:11.92\00:35:14.85
her, they never
called her into the circle.
00:35:14.88\00:35:17.55
So she found her way her
right back to that same guy.
00:35:17.59\00:35:19.74
And what is really good
about Celebrating Life In
00:35:19.78\00:35:22.33
Recovery, and I want to
scream this on the top of the
00:35:22.37\00:35:25.67
biggest building, is one
of the things I promise you,
00:35:25.70\00:35:29.19
you will learn as a church
throughout these next coming
00:35:29.23\00:35:32.59
segments, not the first
series because that is all about
00:35:32.62\00:35:35.94
who God is, that
basic foundation.
00:35:35.98\00:35:38.51
But as the show develops
is teaching the church how to
00:35:38.54\00:35:42.18
speak to someone like that.
00:35:42.21\00:35:43.50
Sometimes people will say
the only reason I don't speak
00:35:43.54\00:35:45.83
is because I
don't know what to say.
00:35:45.87\00:35:46.84
I don't know if somebody
comes up with those kind of
00:35:46.86\00:35:49.64
issues, I don't
even know what to say.
00:35:49.68\00:35:52.20
What is the next step?
00:35:52.23\00:35:53.20
I don't know how to sit
with them, so I avoid them.
00:35:53.23\00:35:55.11
It is like oh, I'm so excited
to be able to say is stay tuned
00:35:55.14\00:36:00.18
and watch because we will
show you some of that stuff.
00:36:00.22\00:36:02.74
I go back to it, it is
good to be able to say I got
00:36:02.77\00:36:05.25
stuff and you've got stuff.
00:36:05.29\00:36:06.43
When you share your
stuff, I can say hey I've got
00:36:06.47\00:36:09.05
stuff like that, so maybe
we can help each other through
00:36:09.09\00:36:11.20
this stuff
because you are not alone.
00:36:11.23\00:36:13.24
If you've got it,
I've got it, all people
00:36:13.28\00:36:15.25
have got some stuff.
00:36:15.29\00:36:16.97
We have some shows on
what happens when it's not your
00:36:17.00\00:36:19.92
stuff, somebody comes in
and their addiction, or their
00:36:19.95\00:36:22.84
anger just takes
everything from you.
00:36:22.87\00:36:24.99
We interviewed this one woman,
Joy Swift and this 14-year-
00:36:25.02\00:36:27.98
old kid comes over,
because he doesn't like the fact
00:36:28.02\00:36:30.94
they have so much love in
their family and he kills all
00:36:30.97\00:36:33.61
of her children, all four
of her children and it changed
00:36:33.65\00:36:36.26
everything in her life.
00:36:36.29\00:36:37.88
On this next roll and I want
to show you some more clips.
00:36:37.92\00:36:41.40
He talks about joy, it talks
about a Vietnam vet who has an
00:36:41.43\00:36:44.88
rage disorder and
married co-dependent and that is
00:36:44.92\00:36:47.31
a whole another issue.
00:36:47.35\00:36:48.91
We've had criminologist
and had an interview with her,
00:36:48.95\00:36:51.33
and a convicted sex offender.
00:36:51.36\00:36:53.47
Talking about the sex
offender, how do you keep people
00:36:53.50\00:36:57.32
around you comfortable and safe?
00:36:57.36\00:37:00.46
How do you get accountability
in the church, how do you
00:37:00.50\00:37:02.76
keep yourself accountable
so you don't reoffend?
00:37:02.79\00:37:04.78
It is just an interesting
show, a lot of times people
00:37:04.82\00:37:08.02
don't like you covering
that stuff, but when we cover it
00:37:08.05\00:37:11.31
we get educated and we also
know then what to do to keep
00:37:11.34\00:37:14.56
everyone in recovery and safe.
00:37:14.59\00:37:17.29
At the end when everything
is said and done, you look at
00:37:17.32\00:37:20.97
God and think
Wow, You are amazing.
00:37:21.01\00:37:23.68
So just take a
look at this next clip.
00:37:23.72\00:37:26.36
I went to play Bingo at
the American Legion and we left
00:37:28.26\00:37:31.27
the four healthy
children at home alone.
00:37:31.31\00:37:33.11
Steve was 14, Gregg was
12, Tonya was 3, and Stacy was
00:37:33.14\00:37:38.00
17 months old, and while
we were gone, a 14-year-old
00:37:38.03\00:37:42.07
neighbor boy came in and
shot and killed all 4 of them.
00:37:42.10\00:37:46.10
- oh no! - yes
they were murdered.
00:37:46.13\00:37:48.47
You're trying to suggest
in your head what happened?
00:37:48.50\00:37:51.92
- right, I needed to see
the kids to face the reality.
00:37:51.95\00:37:55.33
I am a person that
needs to get things done.
00:37:55.37\00:37:58.73
George went into shock
immediately and basically shut
00:37:58.77\00:38:03.21
down, I needed
to get things done.
00:38:03.24\00:38:05.25
I needed to go in the
house, I needed to make sure my
00:38:05.28\00:38:07.61
kids were okay, I needed
to see the bodies to accept
00:38:07.65\00:38:09.94
the reality, and I
was not given that option.
00:38:09.98\00:38:13.25
Instead I was pulled away,
and everything that I needed
00:38:13.29\00:38:16.77
for my healing, to accept
and begin to heal right away,
00:38:16.80\00:38:20.25
was taken away from me.
00:38:20.28\00:38:22.07
By the time we got home,
police cars and ambulances
00:38:22.11\00:38:25.16
were everywhere, and
they would not let us in.
00:38:25.19\00:38:28.31
We were actually taken to
the police station that night
00:38:28.34\00:38:31.35
and endured...
00:38:31.38\00:38:32.94
- they wouldn't
let you in the house?
00:38:32.98\00:38:34.21
- I never went into my
house ever again, I was
00:38:34.25\00:38:37.32
never allowed in again.
00:38:37.36\00:38:38.96
We were put in patrol car
and taken to the police station
00:38:39.00\00:38:42.45
and went through seven
hours of interrogations, strip
00:38:42.49\00:38:45.91
searches, we were the suspects.
00:38:45.95\00:38:48.92
- Oh no! - in the murders.
00:38:48.96\00:38:50.53
We were very poor and I got
involved with another friend
00:38:50.56\00:38:55.72
in a homicide which
involved a cowboy and we made
00:38:55.75\00:39:02.53
it and he didn't.
00:39:02.56\00:39:03.89
- he picked you up, you guys
decided to rob him, for what
00:39:03.92\00:39:09.49
ever, and beat him
up and he ends up dying.
00:39:09.52\00:39:11.24
That led to some lockup
time, not long because they
00:39:11.28\00:39:15.58
eventually came down and
offered me military service.
00:39:15.61\00:39:19.10
Which they do not do any
more, military service in
00:39:19.14\00:39:22.55
exchange for dropping a felony
for the rest of your life.
00:39:22.59\00:39:24.89
What year was that?
00:39:24.92\00:39:26.12
That was 1967. -so the
military service was Vietnam?
00:39:26.23\00:39:30.68
They sent me to Vietnam
which now they taught me how to
00:39:30.72\00:39:35.14
kill the right way,
if there is a right way.
00:39:35.17\00:39:37.25
And we know there is not,
but that created more anger,
00:39:37.28\00:39:40.66
more frustration, and the
smallest little thing would set
00:39:40.69\00:39:44.03
me off, and I think I
had the most article 15's of
00:39:44.07\00:39:48.12
anybody in my company.
00:39:48.16\00:39:49.58
what is an article 15?
00:39:49.62\00:39:50.97
It is a military discipline
action, you forfeit your pay,
00:39:51.01\00:39:53.58
loss of rank, and extra duty.
00:39:53.62\00:39:57.14
Pretty soon, I think when I
was in a war situation making
00:39:57.17\00:40:02.55
the five level of rank I
had pay and overseas duty pay,
00:40:02.58\00:40:07.98
and combat duty pay, I
was only making 258 a month.
00:40:08.01\00:40:13.34
So that led into
more drugs, dealing in the
00:40:13.38\00:40:16.15
black market situation.
- to increase your income?
00:40:16.18\00:40:19.28
To increase income, and have
more drugs, and more medication,
00:40:19.31\00:40:22.95
covering up actually
what you were doing every day.
00:40:22.99\00:40:26.64
You've been cutting yourself,
burning yourself, how long?
00:40:26.68\00:40:31.03
for six years.
00:40:31.06\00:40:33.00
In the short time that
we work together this is the
00:40:33.03\00:40:35.95
first time I think I have
heard you talk about having
00:40:35.98\00:40:38.87
some hope that it
will be over some time?
00:40:38.90\00:40:41.85
- yeah, I have a hope because
it has been easier, it is
00:40:41.89\00:40:47.47
getting easier and easier
for me to stop for a certain
00:40:47.51\00:40:53.06
duration of time
that I will not do it.
00:40:53.10\00:40:57.20
Then I will have a relapse,
but then I always have a hope
00:40:57.23\00:40:59.74
that I can keep going.
00:40:59.78\00:41:01.40
Well, you talk about my
story, a testimony, there is no
00:41:01.44\00:41:04.50
reason to share a testimony
unless it is going to be a
00:41:04.54\00:41:07.56
blessing to someone else.
00:41:07.60\00:41:08.85
And every person has a
testimony that is unique.
00:41:08.89\00:41:11.91
This is a tough one
that we shared years ago,
00:41:11.95\00:41:14.93
and it was a tough one.
00:41:14.97\00:41:16.66
I am guilty of being a
child molester. -convicted?
00:41:16.70\00:41:22.43
Convicted child molester
from 1992, but praise God
00:41:22.47\00:41:28.17
He has delivered me from that.
00:41:28.21\00:41:29.97
I have absolutely no urges
for molesting children anymore,
00:41:30.00\00:41:33.46
and that is only because
of God, only because of God.
00:41:33.50\00:41:37.07
- just like any addict,
it's a day to day program?
00:41:37.10\00:41:40.64
But just because that code
of conduct is now set up in
00:41:40.68\00:41:44.67
my life, doesn't mean that
God doesn't bless and bring
00:41:44.71\00:41:48.35
people into our lives
who need to hear this story.
00:41:48.38\00:41:51.95
They need to hear that it
is possible to be in recovery
00:41:51.99\00:41:56.64
and not have
those urges anymore.
00:41:56.68\00:41:59.31
I mean praise God,
that's completely Him.
00:41:59.34\00:42:01.36
Those particular clips, those
folks came in and everybody
00:42:04.53\00:42:09.39
like I said, were going
through 'Steps to Christ'.
00:42:09.43\00:42:11.12
They went through faith and
acceptance with Joyce Swift.
00:42:11.16\00:42:14.00
On the test of discipleship,
growing up in Christ,
00:42:14.03\00:42:16.84
and the work in the life,
so it was all talking about
00:42:16.88\00:42:19.65
different parts of our
recovery with the basic
00:42:19.69\00:42:23.23
foundation of Christ.
00:42:23.27\00:42:24.78
What I think is amazing,
even faith and acceptance.
00:42:24.82\00:42:28.11
How do I accept
what comes my way?
00:42:28.15\00:42:30.86
You know if somebody says, just
pray about it, sometimes just
00:42:30.89\00:42:34.46
pray about it, that may be
the ultimate thing, but it's
00:42:34.50\00:42:38.04
sounds so you give me more
than that because right now I'm
00:42:38.07\00:42:41.58
dying, like when Joy
said, somebody just killed all
00:42:41.62\00:42:44.83
four of my
children, I have prayed.
00:42:44.87\00:42:48.18
So give me something more
than that, what is faith and
00:42:48.21\00:42:51.38
acceptance actually mean?
00:42:51.41\00:42:52.59
What does
surrender actually mean?
00:42:52.63\00:42:54.12
What is it mean to
turn it over to God really?
00:42:54.15\00:42:57.76
I didn't even realize in
my own surrender when God says
00:42:57.80\00:43:01.19
surrender the fact, I want
to be normal my whole life.
00:43:01.23\00:43:04.74
I still do, if anybody
has a clue on how to do that,
00:43:04.78\00:43:08.26
just send me an e-mail.
00:43:08.30\00:43:10.12
But I wanted to be normal
my whole life, got the self-
00:43:10.16\00:43:13.05
help books, and all that
kind of stuff and finally one
00:43:13.09\00:43:15.77
time I heard the Holy
Spirit say Cheri, you will be
00:43:15.80\00:43:18.45
normal when I
come back. -Yeah, yeah.
00:43:18.48\00:43:20.89
I'm thinking shut up,
are You a back tomorrow?
00:43:20.92\00:43:22.63
Because if you're not
coming back tomorrow that is not
00:43:22.66\00:43:25.62
enough and I remember just
feeling that really strong.
00:43:25.65\00:43:29.33
Then I started to grieve
that, because I'm thinking,
00:43:29.36\00:43:31.92
wait a minute, C.
A, gets to be normal.
00:43:31.95\00:43:34.03
Well not really
because I know him.
00:43:34.06\00:43:36.10
So it's like something
else gets to be normal, and you
00:43:37.54\00:43:39.50
point out somebody in the
church and you think they look
00:43:39.53\00:43:41.45
normal, they look like
they have it all together.
00:43:41.49\00:43:43.60
God just said, He so impressed
upon me Cheri, just accept
00:43:43.63\00:43:47.20
the fact that when I come
back you will never struggle
00:43:47.23\00:43:50.76
with anything, any
of this ever again.
00:43:50.80\00:43:53.18
You'll never hold a molester
kid, there won't be another
00:43:53.22\00:43:55.98
drunk driver, nobody will
be critical, nobody will be
00:43:56.02\00:43:58.75
judgmental, all that
stuff, that all changes.
00:43:58.79\00:44:01.46
When I come back, so until
then please deal with what ever
00:44:01.50\00:44:05.10
what is on your plate to
the best of your ability.
00:44:05.14\00:44:07.44
Surrender it to Me, and
when I heard the word surrender
00:44:07.48\00:44:11.08
at first it sounded like
such an easy thing to do.
00:44:11.12\00:44:13.91
All of a sudden when God
wanted me to give up this sense
00:44:13.94\00:44:17.09
of wanting to be normal,
thinking my life was going to
00:44:17.13\00:44:20.22
all of a sudden come to a
place for our would have it all
00:44:20.26\00:44:23.30
together, I gave it to Him,
and grieved that for a while,
00:44:23.33\00:44:26.34
it was like a death.
00:44:26.37\00:44:27.59
When I was finally able
to give it to Him, I felt so
00:44:27.62\00:44:31.05
amazing, so it's being
able to say to get through
00:44:31.09\00:44:34.45
these different steps in
your recovery so you can work
00:44:34.49\00:44:40.57
with whatever is on
your plate, whatever it is.
00:44:40.61\00:44:42.24
Whether it is something you
caused by your own addiction,
00:44:42.28\00:44:44.72
somebody inflicted that
onto you because of life
00:44:44.76\00:44:47.92
circumstances, God says, either
way it doesn't matter to Me
00:44:47.96\00:44:51.33
It is like Solomon said in
Ecclesiastes, that which was
00:44:51.37\00:44:54.71
is there is
nothing new under heaven.
00:44:54.74\00:44:56.42
A number of things jump
out at me, Joy Swift, faith and
00:44:56.46\00:45:00.48
acceptance, you get
four children murdered.
00:45:00.51\00:45:02.91
One of the things it says
to me is the next time I break
00:45:02.94\00:45:06.26
a fingernail, or even hit
a deer with my car, I should
00:45:06.30\00:45:08.74
think the world is coming
to an end because there is
00:45:08.77\00:45:11.53
somebody out there who
lost four children and had to
00:45:11.56\00:45:15.18
deal with that, had to
find a reason to get up the next
00:45:15.22\00:45:18.80
morning and then accept
the person and forgive the
00:45:18.83\00:45:22.24
person who did that.
00:45:22.28\00:45:23.74
So my life when I break a
fingernail, -or even more than
00:45:23.77\00:45:27.37
that, the reason I had
Joy on the show, the reason I
00:45:27.41\00:45:30.97
brought her on the
show, is in my own recovery,
00:45:31.01\00:45:32.62
is my own parents were addicts.
00:45:32.65\00:45:34.35
They had kids when they had me.
I was homeless by a certain age.
00:45:34.38\00:45:37.07
The first time I heard of Joy
Swift, she wrote a book called
00:45:37.11\00:45:39.76
'They Are All Dead Aren't They?'
00:45:39.80\00:45:41.03
The first time I read her
book it gave me permission
00:45:41.07\00:45:44.81
to forgive my mom,
do you know what I mean?
00:45:44.84\00:45:47.97
So it is not just about
the people who are being
00:45:48.01\00:45:51.50
presented on this show,
it gave me permission to say
00:45:51.54\00:45:55.00
I don't want to walk around
with all this unforgiveness,
00:45:55.03\00:45:58.43
anger and the
stuff that is killing me.
00:45:58.46\00:46:00.65
There is a way for God
to teach us how to forgive.
00:46:00.69\00:46:04.10
- Praise the Lord, and
even those that we tend to rate
00:46:04.14\00:46:07.25
and rank sin, because the
wages of all sin is death.
00:46:07.28\00:46:10.32
But when you talk about child
molestation, there are some
00:46:10.36\00:46:13.14
things we say is really
nasty, nasty that is really bad.
00:46:13.17\00:46:15.41
We don't want talk about
it, we don't want to be around
00:46:15.45\00:46:18.28
them, we don't want to believe
that God can even forgive
00:46:18.32\00:46:21.52
and except and heal that sin
because it is so orneriest to us
00:46:21.55\00:46:24.72
We hate it so much we
figure that God must hate
00:46:24.76\00:46:27.97
them too, and listening
to this story says to me,
00:46:28.00\00:46:31.18
hey, God can forgive
them, God to love them,
00:46:31.22\00:46:33.35
God can heal him, Yes!
00:46:33.39\00:46:34.71
What is really interesting
to me about the love of Wayne
00:46:35.69\00:46:38.67
God so adores him and Wayne
delights in that forgiveness,
00:46:38.71\00:46:42.40
and he wants to talk to every
molester out there and say if
00:46:42.43\00:46:46.17
you could understand the joy
I feel in the forgiveness I have
00:46:46.20\00:46:49.90
and the fact that God is
untwisting all the twisted
00:46:49.94\00:46:52.89
stuff that I so used to enjoy.
00:46:52.92\00:46:55.40
God is untwisting that and
giving me clean desires and
00:46:55.43\00:46:58.32
holy desires and in
his excitement he wanted
00:46:58.36\00:47:02.69
to tell other molesters that.
00:47:02.73\00:47:03.98
But even on this show,
this was a hard show to do and
00:47:04.02\00:47:07.38
people walked off the
set, people on the camera,
00:47:07.42\00:47:09.77
and directing the show
walked off and said I don't know
00:47:09.81\00:47:12.97
what I feel about that.
00:47:13.00\00:47:13.97
So even here looking at
his joy, it was difficult.
00:47:13.98\00:47:17.83
So some of these topics are
going to be difficult but the
00:47:17.86\00:47:20.90
reality is all of heaven
says please don't judge them.
00:47:20.94\00:47:24.41
I am trying to bring
healing to places that are so
00:47:24.44\00:47:27.88
twisted, and God is
saying you have to give
00:47:27.91\00:47:30.83
Me a chance to do that.
00:47:30.87\00:47:32.27
And when they come in the
building, keep them accountable
00:47:32.30\00:47:34.79
but give them a chance to heal.
00:47:34.83\00:47:36.64
- Yes, yes, yes and if God
can forgive the Wayne's of the
00:47:36.67\00:47:39.64
world, He can forgive
the C. A.'s and the Cheri's,
00:47:39.67\00:47:41.94
because we are all in
this thing together. -exactly!
00:47:41.98\00:47:44.21
That is great, that's great.
00:47:44.25\00:47:45.79
There is another clip
that I want to bring in.
00:47:45.82\00:47:49.56
And in 'Steps to Christ' it
goes in segments, or levels.
00:47:49.60\00:47:53.54
The first part of steps to
Christ in recovery is figuring
00:47:53.57\00:47:56.96
out who God is, figuring
out who Christ is, understanding
00:47:57.00\00:48:00.36
my predicament, I'm in
trouble and I need a Savior.
00:48:00.39\00:48:05.73
I have one, God created
the world, Christ died for me,
00:48:05.76\00:48:11.06
I have one, and He cares for me.
00:48:11.10\00:48:13.53
How cool is that!
00:48:13.57\00:48:14.84
So being able to take it
around that He cares for me.
00:48:14.87\00:48:16.62
The second one is the different
steps on that, acceptance,
00:48:16.65\00:48:20.29
and faith, and
growing up in that.
00:48:20.32\00:48:22.98
When I say growing up in
that, I love the fact that there
00:48:23.02\00:48:26.00
was an addict, and
he is in recovery right?
00:48:26.03\00:48:27.41
And he was in recovery
just 7 days and he goes in
00:48:27.45\00:48:30.13
to buy some
cereal for breakfast.
00:48:30.16\00:48:32.91
He is not in a good mood,
I've been in recovery 7 days,
00:48:32.94\00:48:35.49
don't talk to me I'm
just buying some cereal.
00:48:35.53\00:48:37.51
He picks up a box of cereal,
and on the next few aisle
00:48:37.54\00:48:40.58
he sees something he
wants that and not the cereal.
00:48:40.62\00:48:43.57
So he puts the cereal on
that shelf and walks away.
00:48:43.60\00:48:46.49
His conscience says, that's
not where the cereal belongs.
00:48:46.52\00:48:49.74
He is like so what! So what!
00:48:49.77\00:48:52.59
He couldn't let it go, he
had a go back and get the box of
00:48:52.62\00:48:55.34
cereal and go back to the right
aisle and put it on the right
00:48:55.38\00:48:58.06
shelf, so He said that
he is growing up in Christ.
00:48:58.09\00:49:00.30
Like so in the middle of
'Steps to Christ' how do you
00:49:00.34\00:49:02.68
grow in the Lord, how do
you will learn to live in the
00:49:02.72\00:49:05.53
Lord, and the last part
of the book talks about the
00:49:05.56\00:49:08.34
knowledge of who God is.
00:49:08.38\00:49:09.55
It's like when you get to a
place and you absolutely think
00:49:09.58\00:49:12.02
I think God is so
incredible that even as I
00:49:12.05\00:49:15.42
stumble around in this
Christian walk, in this
00:49:15.46\00:49:18.75
recovery, God still, as I'm
falling, tries to soften my fall
00:49:18.79\00:49:23.63
Why does He do that? Why
doesn't He just let me smash
00:49:23.66\00:49:26.54
to the ground
and learn my lesson?
00:49:26.58\00:49:28.43
Because God says I love you.
00:49:28.47\00:49:30.01
In Romans 2:4 it says,
that the reason God does that,
00:49:30.05\00:49:33.67
that God does not come
back so harshly and judge us,
00:49:33.71\00:49:36.92
because He knows that
in His love and kindness
00:49:36.96\00:49:39.56
we are reconcile back to Him.
00:49:39.60\00:49:41.07
So we were talking about
that and in this next roll in
00:49:41.10\00:49:45.42
I want you to look at, Leo
Schrevan, who is a friend of
00:49:45.46\00:49:49.26
mine, he is amazing and he
talks about how to get power
00:49:49.29\00:49:53.05
and strength in your walk.
00:49:53.09\00:49:54.26
Fa'asoa, he is a friend
of mine, he is incredible.
00:49:54.30\00:49:58.36
He was raised by a family
selling drugs and that type
00:49:58.39\00:50:01.60
of stuff and now he is
going to teach the gospel.
00:50:01.64\00:50:04.77
We also did a show on cancer,
different people affected
00:50:04.81\00:50:08.25
by cancer in different ways.
00:50:08.28\00:50:09.34
So watch this and
see what you think.
00:50:09.38\00:50:11.36
Oh first of all it's a
pleasure to be with you and I
00:50:13.21\00:50:14.79
appreciate what you
are doing, what a joy.
00:50:14.83\00:50:16.59
Yeah it goes back to 1975,
I was a messed up teenager.
00:50:16.62\00:50:20.07
Just born violent
and out-of-control.
00:50:20.11\00:50:22.47
I made bad choices until I
got to the age of 15 and my
00:50:22.51\00:50:26.34
mother began to pray for me.
00:50:26.37\00:50:27.34
There's nothing more dangerous
than a praying mother you know.
00:50:27.35\00:50:28.70
You might as well give
up, anybody out there, if your
00:50:28.74\00:50:30.69
mothers praying for you
now, just give up and save
00:50:30.73\00:50:32.64
yourself a lot of pain.
00:50:32.68\00:50:34.72
So at any rate, yeah
we had an experience.
00:50:34.76\00:50:36.34
Two guys came into the
house and held us up for three
00:50:36.37\00:50:38.75
hours and try to
kill us three times.
00:50:38.79\00:50:40.09
- First of all I have to
say, you and your brother are
00:50:40.13\00:50:42.48
pranksters, you thought
when the guys came in that your
00:50:42.52\00:50:44.69
brother... - no, no, it
was my brother's girlfriend.
00:50:44.73\00:50:46.80
My brother had just flown
in with his girlfriend Mary,
00:50:46.84\00:50:48.88
three hours before.
00:50:48.92\00:50:50.36
He is a terrible prankster,
so when these two guys jump
00:50:50.40\00:50:53.06
in our house and blow the
door open and are holding us
00:50:53.10\00:50:55.73
up, she thinks it's a joke.
00:50:55.76\00:50:57.23
So she walks right up to
the one guy and is laughing,
00:50:57.26\00:50:58.72
this is really funny!
00:50:58.76\00:50:59.99
He said shut up lady and
throws her down and it took us
00:51:00.02\00:51:03.00
10 minutes to convince
her these guys are real.
00:51:03.04\00:51:04.77
When she realized
it, she passed out.
00:51:04.80\00:51:07.11
We got off to a bad start.
00:51:07.14\00:51:09.29
They didn't like
us from the get-go.
00:51:09.32\00:51:10.55
But that is how it started
and I'm sitting there thinking
00:51:10.58\00:51:13.30
I'm going to die
tonight, where am I going?
00:51:13.33\00:51:15.06
Anyway I wasn't going to
heaven, that was a given.
00:51:15.10\00:51:16.69
So I figured I was going to
hell, and it was a bad feeling.
00:51:16.73\00:51:20.47
You don't think about
life and death when you're 15.
00:51:20.50\00:51:22.92
It lasted for three hours
and they finally took us into
00:51:22.95\00:51:25.33
the garage and
they're going to kill us.
00:51:25.36\00:51:26.70
They lined us up and my praying
mother, a most amazing thing
00:51:26.73\00:51:30.04
she starts praying out
loud and singing out loud.
00:51:30.08\00:51:31.91
These guys were trying
to shoot her. - shut up!
00:51:31.94\00:51:33.74
It was amazingly unreal
and to make a long story short
00:51:33.78\00:51:36.88
they couldn't pull the
trigger three times, they tried.
00:51:36.92\00:51:39.99
That same night they
went on and shot other people
00:51:40.03\00:51:41.58
after they left our house.
00:51:41.61\00:51:43.17
That was the night that
I said I'm sick of my life.
00:51:43.21\00:51:45.22
I'm tired of doing it
my way, there has to be a
00:51:45.25\00:51:47.22
better way of life than this.
00:51:47.26\00:51:48.50
That's the first time I
decided to put God in my life
00:51:48.53\00:51:50.23
and the Bible, and I'll
tell you it changed my life.
00:51:50.26\00:51:53.73
Cancer was just so foreign
to me, the concept of cancer
00:51:53.76\00:51:57.19
was foreign, and I was
one of those wonderful friends
00:51:57.23\00:52:00.32
who said with every best
intention, Sharon, let me know
00:52:00.35\00:52:03.40
if there's anything
I can do to help, okay?
00:52:03.44\00:52:05.11
Oh absolutely!
00:52:05.14\00:52:06.50
And I didn't,
she didn't call me.
00:52:06.53\00:52:08.72
I'm thinking well she
didn't call she must be okay.
00:52:08.75\00:52:10.69
- she has friends,
people that are able.
00:52:10.73\00:52:13.44
She has a husband and a
daughter, but during the day
00:52:13.47\00:52:16.07
they are at work and in
school and Sharon is home alone.
00:52:16.10\00:52:18.72
But I didn't think what
that would feel like because
00:52:18.75\00:52:21.34
I had no clue, I
just had no clue.
00:52:21.37\00:52:23.30
So when I was diagnosed
she knew, I'm a very social
00:52:23.33\00:52:26.32
person, I love
to talk to people.
00:52:26.36\00:52:28.09
You sit around waiting for
the phone to ring, actually
00:52:28.12\00:52:30.79
hoping a telephone
solicitor calls because of the
00:52:30.83\00:52:33.22
one-time you don't care.
00:52:33.26\00:52:34.58
At two years old, my
memory of two years old is when
00:52:36.26\00:52:39.98
is waking up in the middle
of the night some time, with a
00:52:40.02\00:52:43.80
bright light on, my dad is
arguing with my mother and he
00:52:43.83\00:52:47.58
comes over and
grabs one of these rocks.
00:52:47.61\00:52:49.61
You have to understand
the setting real quick.
00:52:49.64\00:52:51.66
On the islands were in our
home, it is open and there is
00:52:51.69\00:52:55.56
no windows and so we
slept in these mosquito nets.
00:52:55.60\00:52:59.19
They are triangular, so
you have to have something to
00:52:59.23\00:53:02.17
hold them and keep them
from flying all over the place.
00:53:02.21\00:53:05.17
So I see my dad coming
over and grabbing one of these
00:53:05.20\00:53:07.91
things as he is screaming
at my mother and she is
00:53:07.95\00:53:10.62
sleeping because she's tired.
00:53:10.66\00:53:11.98
It is way late at night,
and smashing her face with
00:53:12.02\00:53:14.75
this rock, that is
my two year old memory.
00:53:14.78\00:53:16.85
It was so traumatic
that I still remember it as
00:53:16.89\00:53:21.27
if it was yesterday.
00:53:21.30\00:53:22.72
Growing up, the majority
of the time when I see my
00:53:22.76\00:53:25.54
mother she was at the
hospital, because my father had
00:53:25.58\00:53:28.90
just gotten drunk the night
before or was high in dope.
00:53:28.93\00:53:32.34
He just beat her, so I
would see my mother with scars
00:53:32.37\00:53:35.74
and bruises and broken things.
00:53:35.78\00:53:38.39
On some of these interviews
is so difficult to even watch
00:53:39.84\00:53:42.94
or listen like on
the cancer interview.
00:53:42.98\00:53:46.04
Pastor Mike lost a
four-year-old daughter of brain
00:53:46.08\00:53:49.21
cancer, when he said that
I had not heard that before.
00:53:49.24\00:53:52.15
He had said it on the set
and I looked and thought I
00:53:52.18\00:53:55.05
don't know how
to respond to that.
00:53:55.09\00:53:57.00
So I know as we cover
some of these shows are pretty
00:53:57.03\00:54:01.29
intense, but they always
have a way for you to look at
00:54:01.33\00:54:05.55
that and know that God
is going to step in and
00:54:05.59\00:54:08.72
get you through that.
00:54:08.75\00:54:09.74
The difference between
choosing recovery and not,
00:54:09.77\00:54:12.03
is having a life and not.
00:54:12.06\00:54:14.01
In watching our own
production people here, some of
00:54:14.04\00:54:19.01
these programs
really hit them hard.
00:54:19.04\00:54:21.31
At the end of the day they
were really beat up because
00:54:21.34\00:54:24.56
of the emotion, because of
the subject matter, and yet
00:54:24.59\00:54:27.77
there is always
this ray of hope.
00:54:27.81\00:54:29.20
The people that we are
interviewing, that are on your
00:54:29.24\00:54:33.19
show, have met the
dragon and defeated him.
00:54:33.23\00:54:36.26
They are not victims
anymore, they are on top.
00:54:36.30\00:54:39.30
I could be beat
up without any hope.
00:54:39.33\00:54:41.54
Instead of beat up with hope.
00:54:41.58\00:54:43.37
You're going to get beat up
anyway, so you might as well
00:54:43.41\00:54:45.69
have Jesus because
there is always hope in Jesus.
00:54:45.72\00:54:48.29
That is one of the things that
this show highlights, it will
00:54:48.33\00:54:51.49
say to you, even though
you are in the midst of this,
00:54:51.52\00:54:54.92
even though you have had
this experience, Jesus can still
00:54:54.95\00:54:58.56
find you, Jesus can still
save you, Jesus can still heal
00:54:58.60\00:55:02.17
you, Jesus can take what
you are and make you into
00:55:02.20\00:55:04.63
something that you may
not even recognize you will be
00:55:04.67\00:55:07.06
so beautiful in Christ.
00:55:07.10\00:55:08.27
Stay with us we have a
break and we will be right back.
00:55:08.31\00:55:10.72
Amazing stories of real people
in real situations discussing
00:55:12.83\00:55:16.24
issues that really matter.
00:55:16.27\00:55:17.86
The complete first season
of Celebrating Life In Recovery
00:55:17.90\00:55:20.81
is now available on DVD
and can be ordered by calling:
00:55:20.85\00:55:23.73
hosted by Cheri Peters
this season follows principles
00:55:27.61\00:55:30.18
of the book 'Steps to Christ'.
00:55:30.22\00:55:32.03
See for yourself how God
changed the lives of convicted,
00:55:32.06\00:55:34.65
the accused, and
victims of terrible crimes.
00:55:34.69\00:55:37.07
You won't want to miss a moment
of these powerful interviews.
00:55:37.11\00:55:40.51
I want to thank you so
much for letting us present
00:55:42.47\00:55:44.79
this show to you.
00:55:44.82\00:55:45.99
Celebrating Life In Recovery
is one of, I think I could
00:55:46.02\00:55:50.73
die after this
and be so fulfilled.
00:55:50.77\00:55:53.30
For people that are in
recovery is going to be a God
00:55:53.34\00:55:56.22
thing, is going to bring
in information and give them
00:55:56.26\00:55:58.71
encouragement, they are
going to see a number of people
00:55:58.74\00:56:01.39
from various addictions
that have recovered, that have a
00:56:01.42\00:56:04.49
life that are standing up
and saying, you know what?
00:56:04.53\00:56:07.03
I didn't think I could
walk through this, I thought the
00:56:07.06\00:56:09.53
images of porn and all
this junk would be in my head
00:56:09.56\00:56:12.00
for the rest of my
life and they are not.
00:56:12.03\00:56:13.48
People in the church are
more equipped in what to say
00:56:13.52\00:56:16.48
and what not to say now,
I'm not afraid people that are
00:56:16.51\00:56:19.44
from different lifestyles.
00:56:19.47\00:56:21.59
So I'm just so excited
about this, but I want you to
00:56:21.62\00:56:24.41
know I started this
too in a very personal way.
00:56:24.44\00:56:27.68
My father died of a
crack addiction not long ago.
00:56:27.72\00:56:31.13
I remember that during
the time I get a call from my
00:56:31.16\00:56:34.54
sister saying
that your dad died.
00:56:34.58\00:56:37.34
She knows that I
haven't seen him forever.
00:56:37.38\00:56:39.16
My dad was caught molesting
me the first time I was 3
00:56:39.20\00:56:42.63
months old and it was a
really difficult relationship.
00:56:42.67\00:56:45.77
He had a lot of damage in
his life, I wish I could have
00:56:45.80\00:56:48.87
been able to reconcile with him.
00:56:48.91\00:56:52.13
I wish he could have found God,
could have found joy in his life
00:56:52.17\00:56:56.57
I remember one time just
crying and asking God why do
00:56:56.60\00:56:59.98
I feel so bad because I
feel so bad and there is such a
00:57:00.02\00:57:03.36
ache in me that none
of that happened for him.
00:57:03.40\00:57:06.32
He died in such a horrible
way, crack House, 95 pounds,
00:57:06.36\00:57:11.36
his fingernails and hair
all grown out, and that stuff.
00:57:11.39\00:57:14.63
God said to me one time
in worship, through the Holy
00:57:14.67\00:57:18.75
Spirit, is that I grieve
over every single person that
00:57:18.79\00:57:22.83
dies in their
addictions, that dies outside of
00:57:22.87\00:57:25.15
a relationship with Me.
00:57:25.19\00:57:26.46
I'm thinking no way, so in
a sense I felt in a small way
00:57:26.50\00:57:30.51
what God feels when any
one of us dies in our stuff
00:57:30.55\00:57:34.10
because He said in Isaiah
57:18, I know all your stuff
00:57:34.13\00:57:37.28
and I want to heal you,
I delight in healing you.
00:57:37.32\00:57:40.40
You do not have to die in
your junk, and I want to say to
00:57:40.44\00:57:44.58
the church we need to be
screaming that from the tops of
00:57:44.62\00:57:48.73
buildings, God doesn't
want us to die in our stuff.
00:57:48.76\00:57:51.16
So I want to say that
Celebrating Life In Recovery
00:57:51.19\00:57:53.63
is going to be an incredible
show and we will see you next
00:57:53.66\00:57:57.07
time and until then remember,
God is crazy about you.
00:57:57.11\00:58:00.48