Shall we bow our
heads for prayer.
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Father in heaven,
we thank you once again
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for the opportunity of
gathering here in this place
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to seek Your face,
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to seek Your wisdom.
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And as we study about
the method that You use
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to discipline Your children
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we ask that You will
help us to learn the lessons
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that will help us to properly
discipline our children.
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We thank you for the privilege
of approaching Your throne
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for wisdom. We
thank you for hearing us
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for we ask it in
Jesus' name, Amen.
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As we look at scripture
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it becomes very evident
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that the relationship between
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God the Father and His Son Jesus
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is a pattern of the
relationship which should exist
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between husbands and wives.
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And so as we begin our study
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I want to describe very briefly
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the relationship that
exists between God the Father
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and His Son Jesus.
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And then of course we're going
to notice that God the Father
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and His Son Jesus
at a certain point
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decided to have children
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just like husbands and
wives decide to have children.
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Then, of course, we'll move
on to speak about God's method
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of discipline with His children
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as a pattern for the methods
of discipline that we should
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follow in
disciplining our children
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as husbands and wives.
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Now let's begin by analyzing
the relationship between
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God the Father
and His Son Jesus.
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I'd like to begin by turning
in my Bible... and I invite you
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to turn to your Bible as well.
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We'll begin with John
chapter 10 and verse 30.
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John chapter 10 and verse 30.
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This is a very short
verse. I don't think... at least
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I don't have to look it up.
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It's one of the
shorter sayings of Christ.
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And basically He says:
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Notice the Father and the Son
according to this text are what?
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The Father and the Son are One.
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Though they are
two they are really One
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in a very special sense.
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We all know that the Father
and the Son are two correctly?
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But actually they're
One according to this text.
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Now another point that I
want to underline is found
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in John chapter 1
and verses 1 to 3.
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John chapter 1 and verses 1-3.
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Here we find a description
of the relationship of Jesus
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with His Father. And
there's a particular preposition
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in Greek that I
want to emphasize.
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It says there:
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Then it speaks about creation
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after that.
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Now in Greek there are two
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main prepositions
that are translated with.
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One is the
Greek preposition sun,
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s- u-n, which means
just to be with someone.
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But the preposition
that is used here for with
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that the Son
"was with the Father"
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is the Greek preposition
tros which means to be with
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but with movement towards.
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In other words, it's with
but having a relationship with.
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And so this preposition...
When it says that the Word was
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"with God" it means that, yes,
He was present along with Him
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but there was a
relationship between them.
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They moved, so to
speak, towards one another.
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There was a very close
relationship between them.
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In fact, we find in
John chapter 5 and verse 20
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an interesting description
of the relationship between
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the Father and His Son Jesus.
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John chapter 5 and verse 20.
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And this goes without saying.
You're going to say: "Well,
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you know, we
already knew that. "
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But it's good to read it anyway.
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It says there in John
chapter 5 and verse 20:
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And so notice here that the
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Father loves the Son.
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Furthermore, the relationship
between the Father and Son
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is described as
"knowing each other. "
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Now it's not talking
about intellectual knowledge.
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It's talking about intimate
knowledge, one of the other.
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Notice in the gospel
of John chapter 10...
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John chapter 10 and verse 15.
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John chapter 10 and verse 15.
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It says here...
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Jesus is speaking about
the sheep and the shepherd...
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He says: "As
the Father knows Me,
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even so I know the Father
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and I lay down My
life for the sheep. "
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And so you have this intimate
relationship between the Father
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and the Son, and
the word "to know"
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is used to
describe this relationship.
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And so you have an
intimate relationship between
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the Father and Son.
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They love one another.
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They have movement
towards one another.
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They are two and yet the
Bible says that they are One.
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Another interesting character-
istic about the Father and the
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Son is that they
share all things in common.
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Notice John
chapter 16 and verse 15.
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John chapter 16 and verse 15.
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Here we find this idea
that the Father and the Son
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share all things.
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It says here...
Jesus is speaking:
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"All things that
the Father has are Mine.
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Therefore I said
that He will take of Mine
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and declare it to you. "
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So all things that
belong to the Father
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belong to Jesus.
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So reviewing what we've studied
about the relationship between
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the Father and His Son:
even though they are two
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they are One.
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They have communion or
movement one towards another
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indicated by the
preposition tros.
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It says that the
Father loves His Son.
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Their relationship is described
as "knowing one another"
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and they share
all things in common.
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Now there's another
important characteristic
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concerning the relationship
between the Father and His Son
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Jesus, and that is that
even though they are One,
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even though they are equal,
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the Son is actually
subject to His Father.
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In other words, the Son
- even though He is equal
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with His Father -
recognizes that His Father
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is the head. Now
notice how we find this
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in I Corinthians
chapter 11 and verse 3.
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I Corinthians
chapter 11 and verse 3.
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Here the apostle Paul says:
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So is there an order
even in the relationship
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between the Father and the Son?
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According to scripture yes.
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The Father is
the head of Christ.
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Which means that Jesus
subjects Himself to His Father's
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will and He accomplishes
that which His Father wills.
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Now you might be saying:
"Well, this is only since sin
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came into the world. "
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But really, the subjection
of the Son to the Father
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is something that already
existed in eternal ages past.
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For example, and I'm not going
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to take time to
read the statement
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but in Patriarchs and Prophets
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page 36 we find that
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moment when Lucifer became
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jealous of Christ
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and he started
going among the angels
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and trying to tarnish
the reputation of God.
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And so God eventually had
to call all of the angelic host
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before His throne to
explain the position of Jesus.
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In fact in that page - page
36 of Patriarchs and Prophets -
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Ellen White tells us that
the Son did not explain His own
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position to the heavenly angels.
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He was not going to do that
contrary to the Father's will.
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He would allow His Father
to explain His true position.
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And she says on that
same page that Jesus was still
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to fulfill the will of
the Father in the creation
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of this world.
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So in other words, even before
sin came into the universe
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the Son was subject to
the will of His Father.
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And of course, during
salvation history we find
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the same thing. I'm
just going to mention
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these verses in passing.
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Even after Jesus
resurrected from the dead
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in Matthew chapter
28 verses 18 and 19
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Jesus says: "All
authority is given to Me
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in heaven and
in earth. " Notice:
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"All authority is GIVEN to
Me in heaven and in earth. "
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In other words, the
authority that Jesus receives
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is a delegated authority.
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Furthermore, in John
chapter 5 verses 22 and 27
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we find Jesus saying that:
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In other words, the Father
has given the task of judgment
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to His Son. The Father has
given all authority to Jesus.
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In Philippians chapter
2 and verses 9 through 11
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when Jesus ascends to heaven
after His victory over sin
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we find that it tells us
that Jesus ascended to heaven
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and He was given...
Notice: He was given
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a name that is above every name.
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He didn't take a
name... He was GIVEN a name
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which is above every name.
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And you can notice by the
context that it's speaking about
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the Father that
gave Him this name.
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And then it says
at the end of verse 11
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that at the name of
Jesus every knee should bow
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and every tongue confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord
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to the glory of God the Father.
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In other words, Jesus lives
to be the glory of His Father.
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"He who has seen
Me... " Jesus said...
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"has seen the Father. "
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In fact, in I Corinthians
chapter 15 and verse 28
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we find a very interesting
concept, and that is that
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when everything is
finished in this world,
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when Jesus has subjected every-
thing in the hands of His Father
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I want you to notice that verse.
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I Corinthians
chapter 15 and verse 28
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Jesus will subject
Himself to His own Father.
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Notice I Corinthians
chapter 15 and verse 28.
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It says here:
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In fact, do you know
that we are told in scripture
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Hebrews chapter 1 and verse 3
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that Jesus is the re-
flection of His Father's glory?
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In other words, the
glory of the Father is seen
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in Jesus. And so we find
this interesting relationship
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between Father and Son.
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There are two
individuals... they are One.
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One is subject to the
head and fulfills His purposes.
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And of course Jesus
according to scripture
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never acted
independently from His Father.
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He always acted in
harmony or in conjunction
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with His Father to
implement His Father's will.
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Now there came a time when even
though the Father and the Son
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had this very intimate
relationship... And by the way,
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I am not describing
a sexual relationship.
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You know whenever we
talk about, for example,
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a man knowing a woman
immediately we think about sex.
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We're not talking
about a sexual relationship.
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We're talking here about an
intimate, personal relationship
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between the Father and
the Son described as knowing
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or described as being One.
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There came a time in
which the Father and the Son
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decided that they
wanted to have a family.
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And so they decided
to create Adam and Eve
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in this world. Of
course, they had created
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beings in other worlds, but
we want to describe particularly
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the children that they
brought into this world
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because that's what we have
clearly revealed in scripture.
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And so the Father through Jesus
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brought
children into this world.
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I want you to notice Colossians
chapter 1 and verses 16 and 17.
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Colossians
chapter 1 verses 16 and 17
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describes this process of bring-
ing children into the world.
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It's speaking here about Jesus
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and it says this:
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So in other words, the Father
brings children into the world
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through the
instrumentality of His Son.
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And by the way, we know that
they sat down and they carefully
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planned before
they had their children.
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Now I must underline
that we have children
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by procreation
whereas the Father and the Son
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had children by creation.
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It's different.
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In other words, there was
no sexual relationship we know
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between the Father and
the Son to bring in children.
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The Father through Jesus
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brought
children into this world.
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So they brought children
in by the process of creation.
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By the way, it's
interesting to notice
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in Acts chapter
17 verses 28 and 29
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how this process is described.
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Acts chapter 17
and verses 28 and 29.
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Here the apostle Paul is
speaking to the philosophers
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there on Mars Hill in Athens.
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And I want you to notice what
he says to these philosophers.
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It says there in verse 28:
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What are we? God's what?
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God's offspring by
creation according to this.
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Is this a terminology we
use when we talk about bringing
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children into the
world... offspring?
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Absolutely.
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Now notice Genesis
chapter 1 and verse 26.
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Genesis chapter 1 and verse 26.
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You've heard the expression
"like father, like son, " right?
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Now notice these children...
they were very similar
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to their parents. At least they
were in the image and likeness
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of their parents.
Notice chapter 1 and verse 26
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of the book of Genesis. It says:
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What does that word Us indicate?
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It indicates a
plurality of persons.
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And we've already noticed that
the Father and the Son are two
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although they are
what? Although they are One.
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And so it says:
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Were the children in the image
and likeness of the heavenly
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parents according to this text?
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Absolutely!
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And by the way, I John 3:1
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which we won't read
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says: "Behold what manner of
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love the Father has bestowed
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upon us that we should be
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called... " What?
"that we should be called
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the children of God. "
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And so the Father and Son
who were in this very close
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relationship at
one point sat down,
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they planned, and they
decided to have children
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or offspring in their
image and likeness by creation.
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Now it's very interesting
that this relationship between
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God the Father and His Son
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and the idea of sitting down
and planning to have children
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is reflected in the
experience of their creatures.
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Notice Matthew chapter
19 and verses 4 through 6.
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Matthew chapter 19
and verses 4 through 6.
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Here Jesus is speaking
about the first marriage
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of human history. And I
want you to notice how similar
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the terminology is to
what we've just studied.
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It says there in Matthew
chapter 19 beginning in verse 4:
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Now let me ask you:
were Adam and Eve two?
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Two persons? They
most certainly were.
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But here it says that
they are no longer two.
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They are what? They are one
00:21:06.93\00:21:09.21
when God brought
them into the world.
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Does this oneness
between Adam and Eve
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reflect the oneness that
existed between God the Father
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and His Son Jesus Christ?
00:21:17.93\00:21:20.06
Absolutely! And if I had
time I would show you the same
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terminology... we
would read the Bible verses.
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But I'll just
mention it in passing.
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Let me ask you: is the
relationship of oneness between
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Adam and Eve
described also as knowing?
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"Adam knew his wife" it
says in Genesis chapter 4
00:21:36.94\00:21:41.31
and verse 26. That
is much more involved
00:21:41.51\00:21:44.49
than just having a
physical, sexual relationship
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by the way. Were Adam
and Eve to share all things?
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Absolutely.
00:21:53.42\00:21:54.58
In fact, was Eve to
act dependently upon Adam?
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Absolutely.
00:22:00.05\00:22:01.52
Does the Bible say that
the woman was to be the glory
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of the man? We
might not like that,
00:22:05.04\00:22:07.08
but it says in
I Corinthians 11:7
00:22:07.38\00:22:10.05
that the wife is "the
glory of her husband. "
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She's to bring honor
and glory to her husband.
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Very, very similar idea...
very similar terminology.
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And by the way, even in
this politically-correct world
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that we live in, which we
don't like to hear these things
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because they're contrary
to what society dictates,
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God established the order
of heaven that even though
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Adam and Eve were one,
00:22:37.79\00:22:40.23
Eve was to be
subject to her husband
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as part of God's
original pre-fall plan.
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Let's notice what the
apostle Paul says again
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in I Corinthians
chapter 11 and verse 3.
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I Corinthians 11:3.
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See, in the world we live
in people don't like this order
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that God has
established. And of course men
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have made it very difficult
for women because they have
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used this to
simply stomp upon women.
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That's why women have
reacted, you know, and
00:23:14.76\00:23:18.69
rebelled against the legitimate
authority of the husband
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God has established.
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Now notice I Corinthians 11:3.
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You say: "I don't like that. "
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Do you like the
last part of the verse?
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Say: "I like that last part
but not the part immediately
00:23:46.69\00:23:50.43
before. " Now you
can't have half of the verse.
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It's either all or nothing.
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Does the subjection
of Jesus to His Father
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make Jesus inferior?
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No! They are equal...
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I might use a
philosophical word...
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ontologically.
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In terms of their being.
00:24:10.14\00:24:13.25
But the Son is subject
to His Father functionally.
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In terms of function.
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In the same way,
husband wife are equal
00:24:19.99\00:24:23.69
in terms of being or
existence... ontologically.
00:24:23.89\00:24:27.17
But they are different,
and woman or wife is to be
00:24:27.37\00:24:32.19
subject to the
husband in terms of function
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according to scripture.
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And God established that
order from the very beginning.
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In fact, the apostle
Paul says something that
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has led people to say
that the apostle Paul was
00:24:44.86\00:24:48.27
a male chauvinist.
00:24:48.47\00:24:49.73
Notice what we find
in Ephesians chapter 5.
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Ephesians 5:22-23.
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But wouldn't you admit
that if we followed God's order
00:24:56.49\00:24:59.70
both from the male side as
well as from the female side
00:24:59.90\00:25:03.31
that things would
work a lot better?
00:25:03.51\00:25:05.41
Absolutely. It's
when we change God's order
00:25:05.71\00:25:09.01
that we start having
all sorts of trouble.
00:25:09.21\00:25:11.75
Notice Ephesians
chapter 5 and verses 22 and 23.
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It says there in verse 22:
00:25:17.35\00:25:20.03
Notice he says:
00:25:38.10\00:25:39.74
"Submit to your own husband
00:25:39.94\00:25:41.89
as to the Lord for the husband
00:25:42.12\00:25:44.13
is the head of the... " What?
00:25:44.34\00:25:46.03
"The husband is
the head of the wife. "
00:25:46.14\00:25:48.80
Now do you know that if men
did what God told them to do
00:25:49.10\00:25:54.25
women would have no
trouble subjecting themselves.
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The problem is that men
have overstepped their bounds.
00:25:58.34\00:26:01.74
Notice what God says to
men which would lead wives
00:26:02.04\00:26:07.46
to respect them and
to be subject to them.
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Ephesians
chapter 5 and verse 25.
00:26:10.68\00:26:14.60
Here the apostle Paul says:
00:26:14.90\00:26:16.60
Let me ask you: if you
had a husband who loved you
00:26:26.27\00:26:29.75
and gave himself for you,
00:26:29.95\00:26:31.80
would it be a lot easier
00:26:32.10\00:26:33.96
to subject yourself
00:26:34.06\00:26:35.84
to the husband as the head?
00:26:36.14\00:26:37.24
Yes. And so the
apostle Paul says to the wife:
00:26:37.55\00:26:40.40
"Be subject to your husband. "
00:26:40.60\00:26:42.44
But then he says to the
man: "You love your wife. "
00:26:42.64\00:26:46.13
And just like the
Father loves His Son
00:26:46.44\00:26:49.63
and the Son subjects
Himself to His Father
00:26:49.93\00:26:53.04
in the same way we should
have the relationship between
00:26:53.24\00:26:56.62
a husband and a wife
according to scripture.
00:26:56.82\00:27:00.28
Now God when He
made Adam and Eve
00:27:01.34\00:27:04.62
He placed them in a
perfect environment.
00:27:04.92\00:27:09.01
He placed His children
in a perfect environment.
00:27:10.01\00:27:12.84
Let me ask you: was every
need of Adam and Eve supplied
00:27:13.93\00:27:18.30
in that perfect environment?
00:27:18.40\00:27:19.80
Were all of their
physical needs supplied?
00:27:20.10\00:27:23.32
Absolutely.
00:27:23.62\00:27:25.11
They had everything
that one could desire.
00:27:25.41\00:27:28.38
Were their
mental needs supplied?
00:27:28.68\00:27:32.06
Sure! I mean they had
unlimited potential to research
00:27:32.36\00:27:37.26
the mysteries of nature
and grow intellectually.
00:27:37.46\00:27:40.99
Were their spiritual needs met?
00:27:41.29\00:27:43.90
Sure! God met
with them every day.
00:27:44.20\00:27:47.22
In fact, He set aside a
whole day as family day...
00:27:47.52\00:27:50.56
which, of
course, was the Sabbath.
00:27:50.96\00:27:53.04
And so God decided that
He was going to spend time
00:27:53.35\00:27:57.75
with His children.
00:27:57.95\00:27:59.69
Let me ask you: is this a
pattern of what a household
00:27:59.99\00:28:03.38
should be? Should our
children feel safe and secure?
00:28:03.48\00:28:08.72
Should their needs -
physical, mental, spiritual,
00:28:08.96\00:28:12.99
and emotional - be
supplied in our household?
00:28:13.19\00:28:17.14
Yes, because the relationship
between the Father and the Son
00:28:17.45\00:28:21.27
and their earthly
children should be reflected
00:28:21.47\00:28:24.07
in the relationship
between husband and wife
00:28:24.27\00:28:26.92
and their children. And so God
according to Genesis chapter 2
00:28:27.12\00:28:32.02
and verse 8 the
Lord planted a garden
00:28:32.22\00:28:35.17
eastward in Eden, and there
He put man whom He had formed.
00:28:35.37\00:28:39.05
And of course we know
that Eve was there also.
00:28:39.15\00:28:41.03
And so you have this beautiful
home... this beautiful garden.
00:28:41.33\00:28:44.88
And now let me ask you:
does every household have rules
00:28:45.75\00:28:50.28
that the parents must
expect their children to obey?
00:28:52.28\00:28:56.01
Absolutely.
00:28:56.21\00:28:57.47
Now as we examine the
rules of the heavenly parents
00:28:58.55\00:29:03.27
for their earthly
children, Adam and Eve,
00:29:03.57\00:29:06.78
we discover some very
interesting characteristics
00:29:07.02\00:29:09.47
about those rules. First
of all, the rules were simple.
00:29:09.57\00:29:14.92
Were the rules that God
established for Adam and Eve
00:29:17.54\00:29:19.60
complicated? Almost impossible
to follow and understand? No.
00:29:19.80\00:29:24.31
The rules were few.
00:29:25.30\00:29:27.13
And in the third place,
the rules were easy to obey.
00:29:30.05\00:29:33.57
Now what were those rules?
00:29:34.68\00:29:36.26
Allow me to share
some of them with you.
00:29:36.46\00:29:37.96
First of all, keep
your room in order.
00:29:38.26\00:29:42.16
Say: "What do you mean? "
00:29:44.10\00:29:45.17
Didn't God put Adam in
the Garden of Eden to tend and
00:29:45.37\00:29:47.88
keep it? To keep it up?
00:29:47.98\00:29:49.82
So basically God is
saying to His children:
00:29:50.02\00:29:51.60
"Keep your room in order. "
00:29:51.80\00:29:53.11
Also in Genesis 1 verse 29
00:29:54.98\00:29:57.12
He said: "Eat your veggies. "
00:29:57.32\00:29:59.14
I'm being a little
bit facetious here.
00:30:00.93\00:30:02.99
But He says: "You know,
your food, the food that's been
00:30:03.94\00:30:06.97
appointed for you, is
vegetables and fruits. "
00:30:07.07\00:30:10.55
And then the biggest rule is...
He says that "There's this tree,
00:30:11.92\00:30:17.32
and I don't want
you to play with fire. "
00:30:18.85\00:30:22.99
I want you to remember that one;
00:30:24.08\00:30:25.60
we're going to
come back to that.
00:30:25.80\00:30:27.15
By the way, do you
notice that God told them first
00:30:28.09\00:30:30.83
what they could do
before telling them
00:30:31.03\00:30:32.62
what they couldn't do?
00:30:32.72\00:30:33.89
He says: "Of every tree of
the garden you may freely eat
00:30:34.81\00:30:39.73
BUT of the Tree of the
Knowledge of Good and Evil
00:30:40.96\00:30:44.85
you shall not eat. For in
the day that you eat of it
00:30:45.05\00:30:47.84
you will surely... "
What? "you will surely die. "
00:30:48.15\00:30:51.42
Now let's take a
look at this command
00:30:51.62\00:30:53.25
because it's a pattern for
how we relate to our children.
00:30:53.55\00:30:56.50
Did God tell them
what they could do
00:30:59.15\00:31:01.29
and what they couldn't do?
00:31:01.39\00:31:02.91
Was it clear?
00:31:03.77\00:31:05.69
Was it simple?
00:31:06.00\00:31:07.58
Was it easy to obey?
00:31:07.98\00:31:09.87
Absolutely.
00:31:10.17\00:31:11.70
Did the heavenly
parents teach Adam and Eve
00:31:12.71\00:31:16.60
what was right
and what was wrong?
00:31:16.70\00:31:18.34
The distinction
between right and wrong?
00:31:18.54\00:31:20.29
Of course.
00:31:20.70\00:31:22.19
Is that our role as parents?
00:31:22.49\00:31:24.18
To teach our children
the distinction between
00:31:24.48\00:31:27.27
right and wrong? Absolutely.
00:31:27.37\00:31:30.09
Did the heavenly
parents encourage Adam and Eve,
00:31:30.40\00:31:33.47
their children, to choose the
right and to reject the wrong?
00:31:33.57\00:31:36.99
They most certainly did.
00:31:37.30\00:31:38.70
Is that our role as
parents? To teach our children
00:31:39.20\00:31:42.78
the difference
between right and wrong
00:31:42.98\00:31:44.76
and also encourage them
00:31:44.96\00:31:46.46
to choose the
right over the wrong?
00:31:46.56\00:31:48.85
Absolutely.
00:31:49.15\00:31:50.36
Now let me ask you: did
God explain to Adam and Eve
00:31:51.50\00:31:55.76
the
consequences of disobedience?
00:31:55.96\00:31:58.43
He most certainly did.
00:31:58.73\00:32:00.10
Must we explain to our children
00:32:00.40\00:32:03.15
what the consequence will
be of violating the rules and
00:32:03.35\00:32:06.78
regulations of the household?
00:32:06.88\00:32:08.57
Yes we must.
00:32:08.87\00:32:10.07
And we must do it
what? Very clearly.
00:32:10.27\00:32:13.42
Did the heavenly parents
allow Adam and Eve to make
00:32:14.62\00:32:18.07
the wrong choice? This
is a terrifying option!
00:32:18.18\00:32:23.23
Or did God the Father
and the Son hover around
00:32:24.24\00:32:28.15
Adam and Eve, you
know: "No! You can't do that.
00:32:28.35\00:32:30.68
You can't do that. "
Always supervising them?
00:32:30.98\00:32:33.29
No. The Father and the
Son explained to Adam and Eve
00:32:33.39\00:32:37.42
their children: "Look,
this is the rule of the house...
00:32:37.62\00:32:41.13
don't eat of the tree.
00:32:41.33\00:32:42.77
Eating of the tree is wrong;
00:32:43.07\00:32:44.85
abstaining from eating
from the tree is right.
00:32:45.06\00:32:47.81
That's a clear distinction.
00:32:48.96\00:32:50.58
PLEASE choose to follow
the rule of the household. "
00:32:50.79\00:32:53.42
"Now if you don't, the conse-
quence is going to be death
00:32:54.63\00:32:58.34
and we don't want you to die.
00:32:58.64\00:33:01.19
That's going to be
the consequence: death. "
00:33:01.49\00:33:05.51
But God said: "I'm going to
give you the freedom of choice
00:33:05.75\00:33:08.40
even to choose wrongly. "
00:33:08.60\00:33:09.93
But I want you to
notice that God also says
00:33:11.02\00:33:13.35
"You're going to have
to live with... " What?
00:33:13.55\00:33:16.08
"You're going to have to
live with the consequences. "
00:33:16.28\00:33:18.74
Is that the way we
should approach our relationship
00:33:19.74\00:33:22.50
with our children? The
very way that we should
00:33:22.60\00:33:25.36
approach our relationship
with our children is revealed
00:33:25.46\00:33:28.03
in the way in which God
the Father and His Son Jesus
00:33:28.13\00:33:30.59
related to their
children Adam and Eve.
00:33:30.79\00:33:33.94
But of course in distinction
with God the Father and His Son
00:33:35.00\00:33:39.61
Jesus remained
subject to His Father.
00:33:39.81\00:33:41.64
He always did His Father's
bidding... His Father's will.
00:33:41.85\00:33:45.20
The Bible tells us that Eve
strayed from her husband's side.
00:33:45.43\00:33:49.34
She became independent
00:33:49.74\00:33:52.58
and she acted independently.
00:33:52.88\00:33:55.68
And as a result, of
course, you have sin.
00:33:55.98\00:33:59.11
Now I find it very interesting
00:34:00.08\00:34:02.54
what the devil did
when he came to the tree
00:34:03.79\00:34:06.72
to tempt Eve.
00:34:07.02\00:34:08.86
The devil knows that Adam
and Eve are God's children.
00:34:09.36\00:34:12.11
And so what he's going to
try and do is get God's children
00:34:13.34\00:34:17.12
to disobey their
heavenly parents.
00:34:17.32\00:34:21.43
And I want you to notice
00:34:21.73\00:34:23.20
the argument.
00:34:23.40\00:34:24.72
Genesis 3:4-6.
00:34:24.93\00:34:28.25
Genesis chapter 3
and verses 4 through 6.
00:34:28.55\00:34:33.19
It says here...
Actually, let's read 4 and 5.
00:34:34.83\00:34:36.87
We'll read 6 a little bit later.
00:34:36.97\00:34:38.54
It says:
00:34:39.41\00:34:40.97
Now let's take a look at
what's happening at this tree.
00:35:07.44\00:35:10.03
What is the devil
telling these children of God?
00:35:10.33\00:35:14.01
He's saying: "Look, your parents
think they know everything.
00:35:14.31\00:35:19.65
You're old
enough... you're smart enough
00:35:21.36\00:35:25.81
to take care of yourself.
00:35:26.11\00:35:28.29
The household rules that
your parents have established
00:35:28.80\00:35:33.09
are too strict. You need
to declare your independence.
00:35:33.30\00:35:37.99
You need to learn
to think for yourself
00:35:39.53\00:35:41.83
not simply do what
your parents say. "
00:35:42.34\00:35:45.91
Are you seeing
what's happening here?
00:35:46.22\00:35:48.75
The devil is trying to
get them to act independently
00:35:49.05\00:35:51.85
and to disobey their parents
00:35:52.05\00:35:53.95
if you look at this from
the perspective of a family
00:35:54.25\00:35:57.96
relationship. And let
me tell you something:
00:35:58.06\00:36:00.52
whenever the children act
independently from their parents
00:36:00.72\00:36:03.82
the result is a disaster.
00:36:04.02\00:36:06.32
I know it from
personal experience.
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I'm not much into telling
personal stories as you've...
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as you've noticed
in this seminar...
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'cause I like to expound upon
scripture, let scripture speak.
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But you know when I
was growing up I spent from
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my 8th year to my 14th year
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in the city of
Caracas, Venezuela.
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I studied all of my
primary education there.
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And I was quite a pill
there in primary school.
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If you met some of my teachers
they would tell you that.
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I've become
regenerated since then.
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Somewhat.
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But anyway, I remember
my parents would tell me
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"Steve, don't throw stones. "
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And I'd think, you know...
"You might hurt someone. "
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I'd think: "Yeah, they
think I can't handle a stone. "
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And I remember that I used
to like to light sparklers.
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Down there they do it at
Christmas time... not July.
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And I used to like to light
them, and when they were burning
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real nice just throw
them as far as I could
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without even looking
where I was throwing them.
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"They said: "Don't light
sparklers. Don't throw them. "
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"Ah, parents... they
think they know everything. "
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They would also tell me:
"Steve, don't play with matches.
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You might burn something down. "
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"Ah, parents... they
think they know everything. "
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I had some very
interesting experiences.
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One day at school I
had this great big rock
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and I hurled it
against the ground.
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And I didn't notice that there
was a student that was crossing
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in my path, and it hit him in
the ankle and broke his ankle.
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My punishment was
that I had to every day
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I had to go with my dad to
this young man's... young boy's
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house and help him get into
the car, take him to school.
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After school I had to
help him get into the car
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and we had to take him home.
So a lot of my afternoon was
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cut into having to do this.
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If I'd just listened to my
parents and not thrown stones
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that wouldn't have
happened. On another occasion
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I had this
sparkler burning real well
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and I took the sparkler
and I hurled it into the air
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and I didn't notice that there
was a balcony and there were
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all kinds of clothes
hanging on the balcony.
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And one of these
sparklers fell into the clothes
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that were hanging
there. They were dry already.
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And suddenly there
was this raging fire.
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The clothes were
burning on the porch.
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I was afraid the
whole apartment complex
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was going to be burned down.
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The fire
department came very quickly.
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Then at this place I lived
in Caracas... the name of the
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section of town was El Paraiso.
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You know, we had this
great big field in back of the
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apartment complex and
it had these big tall weeds
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and it was dry season.
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And me and my friends would
go back there and we would play
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like we were camping, you know?
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And of course we had matches.
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And so we would take these
matches, and we would light
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the matches. We could put
it out any time, you know.
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Little fire. And so,
you know, we lit this match
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and a little bit of the
dry grass began burning.
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And we were observing
it. And then when we tried to
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put it out we couldn't.
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And soon that whole
field was raging with fire.
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And you know, we went
into our houses and we hid
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because we are afraid what
the fire department would do.
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And suddenly about
three or four fire trucks came
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and they started... You know,
there were some propane tanks
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in the back of the building.
We were afraid that the
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propane tanks
were going to explode.
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Parents know best.
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Do you know why?
Because they have experience.
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What if Samson had
listened to his parents?
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You know, Samson says:
"Oh, this beautiful woman
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in the land of the
Philistines. I want her. "
00:40:15.83\00:40:18.84
And his parents
say: "Now Samson,
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have you ever read what
God says about marriage?
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That we're supposed to marry
within the household of faith.
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Within Israel. "
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And do you know
what Samson says?
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Says: "Get her for me because
she has pleased my eyes. "
00:40:38.37\00:40:42.18
And do you know what?
That decision cost him his eyes
00:40:43.31\00:40:47.18
because they were poked out.
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His life was a disaster
00:40:50.56\00:40:52.96
because he did not
listen to his parents!
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And so God created Adam
and Eve... His children.
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He said: "Obey
Me and be happy. "
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But the devil comes and
says: "Ah, come on, you need to
00:41:01.24\00:41:03.62
act independently.
Think for yourself...
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don't just do what
your parents tell you. "
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And as a result, they sinned
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and we have this world full
of misery today as a result.
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That's the reason why we
find in Exodus chapter 20
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and verse 12
some very wise counsel
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from our heavenly Father.
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Exodus chapter 20 and verse 12.
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I'm sure we're all acquainted
with this commandment.
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It says there... this
is the fifth commandment:
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What is the result of honoring
your father and your mother?
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Long days.
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If Adam and Eve had
honored their heavenly Father,
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would they still be
living upon the earth?
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They most certainly would.
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Now we live in a world of sin,
but if we follow the counsel
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of our earthly parents would
our lives be a lot happier?
00:42:14.92\00:42:18.07
And longer? And
better? Absolutely.
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By the way, do you
know what it means to honor
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our father and our mother?
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Notice the book of Ephesians
chapter 6 and verses 1-3.
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Ephesians chapter 6
and verses 1 through 3.
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Here the apostle Paul is going
to quote the fifth commandment
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and he's going to tell us
what honoring our parents means.
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Just like Adam and Eve
should have honored their
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heavenly parents, they shouldn't
have listened to the devil,
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on an earthly plane, children
should listen to their parents.
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On an earthly level.
00:42:53.08\00:42:54.84
Because the relationship between
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the Father and the Son
00:42:57.64\00:42:58.68
and Adam and Eve should be
00:42:58.78\00:43:00.28
reflected in the relationship
00:43:00.38\00:43:01.85
between parents
and their children.
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And the devil will try
to lead our earthly children
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to disobey us just like
the devil tried to lead...
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and actually led...
Adam and Eve to disobey God.
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Are you
understanding the parallel?
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Now notice Ephesians
chapter 6 and verse 1:
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Now do you notice
that it doesn't say that
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children are supposed to
blindly obey their parents?
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It says: "Children, obey
your parents in the Lord. "
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Which means that if your parents
require you to do things that
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are contrary to
what the Lord wills
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we have a right to
disobey our parents.
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Are you understanding
what this text is saying?
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It says: "Obey your
parents in the Lord. "
00:43:53.78\00:43:56.25
The same is true
with a husband and a wife.
00:43:56.45\00:43:58.70
The apostle Paul says: "Wives,
be subject to your husbands
00:43:59.81\00:44:03.23
in the Lord. " If
your husband demands
00:44:03.43\00:44:06.52
something that is
against the will of the Lord,
00:44:06.72\00:44:08.98
the wife has a right
to insubordinate herself
00:44:09.18\00:44:12.63
if you please in
that particular aspect.
00:44:12.93\00:44:15.99
Because there's a
legitimate realm of authority
00:44:16.30\00:44:18.95
and an
illegitimate realm of authority.
00:44:19.15\00:44:21.15
So the apostle Paul says:
00:44:21.45\00:44:22.48
And then the apostle Paul
goes on to give some counsel
00:44:40.82\00:44:43.73
to the parents. He not
only says to the children
00:44:43.94\00:44:45.66
"obey your parents" but
he says to the parents -
00:44:45.86\00:44:48.57
and this is very
wise counsel - he says:
00:44:48.77\00:44:51.85
Is it possible
sometimes for parents to incite
00:45:05.31\00:45:09.77
their children to rebellion?
00:45:09.97\00:45:11.50
It is. And to
"provoke them to wrath"
00:45:11.80\00:45:14.72
the way the apostle Paul says?
00:45:14.92\00:45:16.31
Now that didn't
happen with Adam and Eve
00:45:16.51\00:45:18.44
because God did not
provoke Adam and Eve to wrath.
00:45:18.64\00:45:22.04
God the Father and
His Son were good parents.
00:45:22.54\00:45:26.32
They didn't provoke their
earthly children to rebellion.
00:45:26.62\00:45:30.16
But, you know, we
live on an earthly plane
00:45:30.46\00:45:33.01
in a sinful world.
00:45:33.21\00:45:34.50
And it might be tempting for
us parents to lose our temper
00:45:35.00\00:45:38.62
and to make matters worse
00:45:38.92\00:45:41.46
as we relate to our children.
00:45:41.49\00:45:43.38
Now did Adam and Eve
disobey their parents?
00:45:44.56\00:45:48.28
Yes, they most certainly did.
00:45:49.58\00:45:52.19
In Genesis 3
verse 6 we're told that
00:45:52.39\00:45:55.65
Eve listened to the
voice of the serpent.
00:45:55.75\00:45:58.78
She ate of the fruit.
00:45:58.98\00:46:00.15
She gave the fruit to
Adam and Adam also ate.
00:46:00.35\00:46:04.21
Now what do children usually do
when they disobey their parents?
00:46:05.47\00:46:08.31
They go to their parents
and say: "We disobeyed! "
00:46:13.24\00:46:15.23
No, what do they do? They
try to cover up or to hide it.
00:46:15.53\00:46:19.61
Is that what the
earthly children did?
00:46:19.81\00:46:21.83
Is that what Adam and Eve did?
00:46:22.23\00:46:23.57
Yes they did.
00:46:23.77\00:46:25.27
They actually hid in
the midst of the garden.
00:46:25.78\00:46:28.32
Did God seek them out and say:
00:46:29.96\00:46:32.43
"You disobeyed Me,
didn't you? You disobeyed Me! "
00:46:32.73\00:46:34.93
Is that the way it worked?
00:46:36.08\00:46:37.62
No?
00:46:37.82\00:46:39.13
The heavenly parents
called the children and said:
00:46:39.43\00:46:42.57
"Children, now tell Me what
was it that happened here? "
00:46:42.67\00:46:44.79
"Did you disobey
the household rules? "
00:46:45.99\00:46:49.35
See, they ask before they
dictate what the punishment
00:46:50.98\00:46:56.59
is going to be. Does
that teach us something
00:46:56.69\00:46:59.78
about our
relationship with our children?
00:46:59.99\00:47:01.65
You know, sometimes... I know
from my own personal experience
00:47:02.15\00:47:05.85
our children do something
that they're not supposed to do
00:47:06.05\00:47:08.30
and even before we even
find out whether they did it
00:47:08.60\00:47:11.47
what are we doing?
00:47:12.73\00:47:14.06
We're accusing them.
00:47:14.36\00:47:15.91
"You did it! You dummy!
00:47:16.11\00:47:19.12
I told you not to do that. "
00:47:19.42\00:47:20.86
You know, instead of first of
all gathering all of the facts.
00:47:21.16\00:47:24.44
And after
having all of the facts
00:47:24.74\00:47:27.07
THEN the sentence is pronounced.
00:47:27.27\00:47:31.28
Now listen up. Did
God bail Adam and Eve out?
00:47:32.36\00:47:37.52
Or did they suffer the conse-
quences of their disobedience?
00:47:42.58\00:47:45.89
Did God allow Adam and Eve to
suffer the bitter consequences
00:47:49.30\00:47:53.37
of their choice?
He most certainly did.
00:47:53.48\00:47:56.07
Do you know that Ellen
White says that Adam said to God
00:47:56.38\00:48:01.90
"I promise, I promise, I promise
00:48:03.22\00:48:06.01
that I'll obey You
from this day forward. "
00:48:06.61\00:48:10.06
"Not even once more
will we disobey You. "
00:48:11.24\00:48:14.04
"Please don't cast
us out of the garden. "
00:48:14.45\00:48:17.36
"Please don't
make us suffer death. "
00:48:17.86\00:48:21.49
"Please, please, please. "
00:48:22.51\00:48:24.54
Yet did they suffer the
consequences of their choice?
00:48:26.22\00:48:29.69
Yes. God did not what?
00:48:30.19\00:48:32.86
He did not bail them out.
00:48:33.06\00:48:34.47
Now we're going to talk
in a moment, in the long run
00:48:34.57\00:48:36.74
He bailed them out...
00:48:36.94\00:48:38.01
but not the immediate
punishment for their sin.
00:48:38.41\00:48:44.13
What God said was
going to happen took place.
00:48:45.41\00:48:48.41
Isn't it true that many
times we bail out our children
00:48:48.51\00:48:51.26
from difficult
situations when they disobey?
00:48:51.56\00:48:53.74
Are we doing them a
favor when we do that?
00:48:54.75\00:48:57.20
When we're
always bailing them out?
00:48:57.70\00:49:00.05
And always repairing and fixing
things without them having to
00:49:00.16\00:49:03.95
suffer the
consequences. Listen folks,
00:49:04.05\00:49:06.61
it was very difficult
for God to see Adam and Eve
00:49:07.01\00:49:09.85
suffer the
consequences of their choice.
00:49:10.05\00:49:12.07
And it's very, very
painful for us sometimes to see
00:49:13.25\00:49:16.20
what happens with our children
00:49:16.40\00:49:17.69
when they suffer the
consequences of their choices.
00:49:17.89\00:49:20.40
But we have to
let it run its course.
00:49:22.24\00:49:24.29
The law of sowing and reaping.
00:49:25.35\00:49:27.60
"Whatsoever a man soweth
that shall he also... " What?
00:49:28.00\00:49:31.13
"reap. "
00:49:31.44\00:49:32.75
By the way, is suffering
the consequences good or bad?
00:49:33.25\00:49:37.34
Does God allow us to suffer
the consequences of our choices
00:49:42.68\00:49:45.71
for our good or for
our evil? For our good.
00:49:45.81\00:49:51.03
Or else He would
have nipped it in the bud.
00:49:52.12\00:49:54.54
You say: "How's that? "
00:49:54.84\00:49:56.25
Go with me to Hebrews
chapter 12 and verses 5 and 6.
00:49:56.55\00:49:59.60
Hebrews chapter 12
and verses 5 and 6.
00:49:59.90\00:50:02.50
By the way, did our heavenly
parents suffer immensely
00:50:02.80\00:50:05.21
when Adam and Eve sinned?
00:50:05.41\00:50:06.54
Even though they allowed the
00:50:07.75\00:50:09.23
consequences to come?
00:50:09.33\00:50:10.47
Yes they did. Do we suffer
00:50:10.57\00:50:12.13
immensely when our kids make
00:50:12.23\00:50:13.49
wrong choices and they blow it
00:50:13.59\00:50:15.27
and they make a
disaster of their lives?
00:50:15.37\00:50:16.91
Does it pain us?
00:50:17.11\00:50:18.52
It most certainly does.
00:50:18.72\00:50:19.77
But they suffer the
consequences of their choices
00:50:19.97\00:50:22.55
so that they can what?
So that they can learn.
00:50:22.75\00:50:26.34
You see, the punishment
is a learning experience.
00:50:28.57\00:50:31.95
Notice Hebrews chapter 12...
00:50:32.25\00:50:37.08
Hebrews chapter 12
and verses 5 and 6.
00:50:37.28\00:50:41.24
It says here
00:50:41.54\00:50:43.23
in Hebrews chapter
12 and verses 5 and 6:
00:50:44.57\00:50:47.20
"And you have
00:50:48.28\00:50:52.53
forgotten the
exhortation which speaks to you
00:50:54.11\00:50:56.89
as to sons. " Now notice,
God speaks to us as sons.
00:50:58.25\00:51:02.03
No matter how hard it is...
00:51:32.75\00:51:34.47
You know, sometimes my parents
suffered even more than I did
00:51:34.68\00:51:37.47
when they had to punish me.
00:51:37.67\00:51:38.80
And you know what? When my
parents said they were going to
00:51:40.52\00:51:42.77
punish me I got punished.
00:51:42.87\00:51:44.43
And they knew what
was the best punishment.
00:51:45.75\00:51:48.10
See, discipline
has to be consistent.
00:51:48.40\00:51:50.93
You lay down the rule. You
say: "If you break the rule,
00:51:51.23\00:51:53.45
this will be the consequence.
00:51:53.55\00:51:54.85
I forgive you, yes.
But the consequence...
00:51:54.95\00:51:57.46
you'll still
suffer the consequence. "
00:51:57.49\00:51:58.99
Is it possible to love
and still have the children
00:51:59.29\00:52:01.95
suffer the
consequence for their choice?
00:52:02.15\00:52:03.88
Do they learn through
it? They most certainly do!
00:52:04.08\00:52:06.27
And the way that my parents
really could make me suffer
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was not by spanking me.
They soon discovered that
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that one doesn't work that well.
00:52:13.87\00:52:16.16
You know what really
worked was them leaving me
00:52:16.46\00:52:20.10
without a meal
or without dessert.
00:52:20.20\00:52:25.21
Oh... that was terrible!
00:52:25.52\00:52:27.86
That really made me feel
like never doing it again.
00:52:28.16\00:52:31.08
And they always made
us suffer the consequences
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no matter what.
Painful for them.
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I knew that they were hurting.
00:52:38.36\00:52:40.22
They were
hurting more than I was.
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But they knew that it was
necessary so that we could
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learn from our experience.
00:52:45.49\00:52:47.58
Notice also
Proverbs 23 verses 13 and 14
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on this same
point. Proverbs 23:13-14.
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Here we find some
very wise counsel.
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The wise man Solomon...
By the way, he's not speaking
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from an ivory tower. He
knows what he's talking about.
00:53:06.58\00:53:09.00
That is an extremely
politically-incorrect statement
00:53:35.18\00:53:39.37
in this world today.
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'Cause the idea is: let
the children grow like weeds.
00:53:40.98\00:53:44.44
No discipline... no punishment.
00:53:45.50\00:53:48.14
There's even children
who are suing their parents
00:53:48.54\00:53:51.29
for their
parents punishing them.
00:53:52.53\00:53:54.52
Perhaps that's the
reason why the apostle Paul
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has told us in II
Timothy 3 verses 1 and 2
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in that long catalog of
sins that are going to exist
00:54:02.40\00:54:05.73
at the end of time... one
of the list - and by the way,
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I'm going to read. It says:
00:54:09.55\00:54:10.64
Is that true today?
00:54:25.75\00:54:27.59
It is SO TRUE today.
00:54:27.89\00:54:30.38
And young people, children:
believe me that when your
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parents ask you to
obey them it's for your good
00:54:34.53\00:54:38.27
and it's worth listening to them
00:54:38.60\00:54:40.68
because they've lived a
lot longer than you have
00:54:40.98\00:54:43.37
and they know. Have you
ever heard the expression
00:54:43.67\00:54:46.29
"Father knows best? "
00:54:46.59\00:54:47.63
That is true!
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Father does know
best; mother does know best.
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Now did you notice that in
Proverbs - the passage that we
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read - says that by punishment
00:54:58.15\00:55:01.40
the child will be saved
from death; he will be saved
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from hell or Sheol?
00:55:06.66\00:55:11.05
Let me ask you this as we
bring this to a conclusion:
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even though our heavenly parents
00:55:15.78\00:55:19.97
allowed the punishment
to fall upon Adam and Eve
00:55:20.27\00:55:24.33
was the purpose of that punish-
ment ultimately redemptive?
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It sure was.
00:55:30.41\00:55:31.84
Did God forgive
His earthly children?
00:55:32.24\00:55:35.01
He most certainly did.
00:55:35.31\00:55:36.55
Did He give a promise that
He was going to restore them
00:55:36.95\00:55:39.31
ultimately? Yes!
00:55:39.41\00:55:41.69
The purpose of the discipline
was their restoration.
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And that's shown
by Genesis 3 verse 21
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where we're told that God
also for Adam and his wife
00:55:48.98\00:55:53.27
made tunics of
skin and clothed them.
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In other words, God is saying:
"Even though you're suffering -
00:55:59.01\00:56:01.34
dust you are and to
dust you shall return -
00:56:01.54\00:56:03.58
even though I'm
casting you out of the garden,
00:56:03.78\00:56:05.61
you're suffering the immediate
consequences of your sin
00:56:05.71\00:56:08.50
I want you to know
that in the long run
00:56:08.71\00:56:12.18
the purpose of all of
this is to restore you
00:56:12.29\00:56:15.04
and to save you from death...
to save you from Sheol...
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so that you might be
saved in God's kingdom. "
00:56:19.70\00:56:22.62
And so the relationship
between God the Father
00:56:23.12\00:56:26.93
and His Son and His
children Adam and Eve
00:56:27.13\00:56:30.79
is actually a
model or an illustration
00:56:32.23\00:56:35.98
of the
relationship which should exist
00:56:36.28\00:56:38.90
between husbands and wives.
00:56:39.00\00:56:41.38
And the relationship
between husbands and wives
00:56:41.78\00:56:45.12
and their children
is illustrated by this
00:56:45.22\00:56:47.93
relationship between
God the Father and His Son.
00:56:48.13\00:56:50.38
It teaches us how
to teach the rules.
00:56:50.78\00:56:54.34
What to say to our children.
00:56:54.54\00:56:56.28
The necessity of implementing
the discipline for the action
00:56:56.58\00:57:01.76
chosen and yet the love
with which we want to restore
00:57:01.86\00:57:06.12
ultimately and
see our children saved
00:57:06.32\00:57:10.18
in God's kingdom.
00:57:10.28\00:57:12.02
And so Genesis
addresses very clearly
00:57:12.42\00:57:15.50
the issues of husband and wife
00:57:15.80\00:57:19.04
and the relationship they are
to sustain with their children.
00:57:19.24\00:57:23.90
May God bless us and
teach us these lessons.
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