Shall we bow our
heads for prayer.
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Father in heaven, as
we open up your holy book
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We realize more than ever,
that we need the aid of your
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of your holy spirit. We ask
that you will be present with us
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through that spirit,
that gave us the word
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Help us to understand and
to receive what you have for us
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Help us to have
greater admiration for you.
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We pray in the
precious name of Jesus, Amen.
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In our lecture for this
moment, we are going to speak
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about God's heavenly counsel.
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We want to begin our study
in the book of Job chapter 38.
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I'm going to focus
especially on verse 7.
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I want to give you a
little bit of background
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about Job, before
we read this verse
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and the verses that surround it.
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You know the story of Job.
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Basically, chapter 1 and 2 tells
us that Job lost everything that
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he had. The only thing
he didn't lose was his life.
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He lost his health, servants
and his wife turned against him
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His friends turned
against him. He lost servants,
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he lost all of his animals,
he lost all of his properties.
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In a matter of minutes, he
lost everything that he had.
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That is the first two chapters.
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Beginning in chapter three,
Job starts complaining to God.
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He starts asking God to explain
the reason why he's going
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through this period of crisis.
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He says to God, I was a
family man, I offered sacrifices
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for my children, I used my
riches to benefit the poor.
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I clothed the
naked. I blessed humanity.
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I consecrated my life to you.
So why is this happening to me
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Please explain.
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From chapter 3 to chapter 37,
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God's only answer
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is absolute silence.
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This frustrates Job.
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So, all throughout
these chapters, 3 through 37.
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Job is crying out for
God to explain his suffering
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and God says nothing to Job.
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Finally, in chapter 38.
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God is going to tell Job,
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Job, now I'm going
to ask the questions
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and you answer me.
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Lets read Job 38,
beginning with verse 1.
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Then the Lord answered
Job out of the whirlwind
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and said, Who is this
that darkened counsel by words
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without knowledge?
Gird up now thy loins like
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a man; for I will demand
of thee, and answer thou me.
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God is saying, it's
my turn to ask questions.
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Notice verse 4.
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What is being described
in these verses? Creation.
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I want you to notice
verse 7, this is the key verse
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in this whole passage.
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It says in verse 7.
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that when God did all of these
things, he laid the foundation
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of the earth, he
laid the measures
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he laid the
foundations and the cornerstone
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it tells us in verse 7 something
happened when He did that.
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This is pre-creation or at
the moment of creation at least.
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Did you notice that
when Jesus created this world
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there were two groups
that celebrated God's work?
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One group is called the stars
of heaven and the other group
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is called the sons of God.
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I don't think we have
to look to far in the Bible
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to understand who
the morning stars were.
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In Revelation chapter
12, we find that when the
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Devil fell from heaven
he drew a third of the stars
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from heaven with him. It
is explained there that the
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angels of Satan were
cast to the earth with him.
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So, stars, the
morning stars represent angels
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you'll notice that the
angels preexisted creation
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because they sang at creation.
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What about this group that
is described as the sons of God?
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Who are these sons of God?
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I believe the best answer to
that question would be to let
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Job, himself tell us
who the sons of God are.
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Did you know that in two
other places, in his book
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he mentions the sons of
God. Lets go in our Bibles
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to Job chapter 1. I
want to read quickly
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through verses 1 through 7.
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There was a man in the
land of Uz, whose name was Job;
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and that man was perfect and
upright and one that feared God,
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and eschewed evil.
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And there were born unto him
seven sons and three daughters.
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His substance also was
seven thousand sheep, and three
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thousand camels, and
five hundred yoke of oxen
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and five hundred she asses,
and a very great household
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so that this man was
the greatest of all the men
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of the east.
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And he sons went and feasted
in their houses, every one his
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day; and sent and called
for their three sisters to eat
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and drink with them. And it
was so, when the days of their
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feasting were gone about, that
Job sent and sanctified them
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and rose up early in the morning
and offered burnt offerings
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according to the number
of them all: for Job said,
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It maybe that my sons have
sinned, and cursed God in their
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hearts. Thus
did Job continually.
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Now verses 6 and 7
are the key verses.
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Do the Sons of God come all
the time to present themselves
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Do they live in the
presence of the Lord?
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Not according to this, it
says that they came on a certain
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occasion to present
themselves before the Lord
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which means that they do
not dwell where the Lord is.
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Because they came.
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It says, now there was a
day when the sons of God came
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Did you notice that Satan came
to this meeting among the sons
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of God? We have the strong
impression that Satan claimed to
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have a right to belong to this
group, know as the sons of God.
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he came among them.
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The interesting thing
is, that the story describes
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Satan coming from a planet.
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Planet earth.
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I don't think we have to be
too intelligent to figure out
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That if Satan
comes among this group,
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called the sons of God,
to present himself before God
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and he comes from a planet,
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It must mean that the other
sons of God, that belong to the
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same group, most
likely also came from planets
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Are you
understanding what I am saying?
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Now the first meeting ended,
Job loses everything he had,
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except that God didn't
let the Devil touch Job.
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So, now there is another
meeting that takes place.
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Notice Job chapter 2:1-2.
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Notice carefully. Again
there was a day when the
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sons of God came to present
themselves before the Lord,
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Now this is very important,
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What did the sons of God do?
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They came to present
themselves before the Lord.
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Would this mean, that they went
back to where ever they lived
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after the first meeting?
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See its so simple They must have
gone back to where they lived.
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It says that they came
on another day to present
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themselves before the Lord.
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Which means that they
came to the first meeting,
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they went back
to where they lived,
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and then they came
back to the second meeting.
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They don't live in
the presence of God.
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Notice once
again, in chapter 2:2.
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And the Lord said unto
Satan, From whence comest thou?
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And Satan answered the Lord,
and said, From going to and fro
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in the earth, and from
walking up and down in it.
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We find that the sons of
God do not permanently dwell
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in the presence of
God. We find that God
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off and on. We don't know how
frequently, calls the sons of
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God into his
presence for a meeting.
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We discovered that Satan
who claims the right to be among
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the sons of God, comes
from a planet, planet earth.
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Which would lead us to assume
that the other sons of God
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which belong to that group
must also come from planets
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Now we have another description
of a heavenly counsel in the
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old testament. I really
don't now if I should go into it
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because our time is so
limited for these presentations
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I would like to invite you.
I'll give you the references
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2 Chronicles 18:18-21
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It is a rather long passage,
but I want you to read that
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passage, and you'll notice that
you have the heavenly counsel
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convening in heaven, all of the
heavenly hosts are around God's
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throne. God says, to all the
heavenly hosts, Who is willing
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to go and persuade
King Ahab to go to battle
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against the Syrians, so
he gets killed in battle.
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You'll notice that the
heavenly counsel could not agree
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on how it would be done.
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It says that one said one thing
and the other said another.
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Suddenly, a spirit appears
into the presence of the Lord
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and he says, I'll entice Ahab
to fight against the Syrians
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so they kill him.
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The Lord says, how
are you going to do it?
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He says, I will
be a lying spirit
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in the mouth of all his prophets
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They will tell
Ahab to go knowing well,
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that he's going to be killed.
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Let me ask you.
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Does God use lying as a method
to accomplish his purposes?
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Do the loyal,
faithful angels use lying?
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They most certainly don't.
Who was this spirit that was
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present up there next to
God's throne, who says, I'll go
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down there and lead the prophets
to tell him to go to battle
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full well knowing that
he is going to be killed.
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It must have been
Satan. I want you to notice, is
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there is deliberation in
the heavenly counsel concerning
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earthly events.
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We need to ask a
very urgent question.
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It's this, What was
Satan doing in that meeting,
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in the book of Job, and
in the meeting in 2 Chr 18?
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What was Satan doing
representing planet earth
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in that heavenly meeting?
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Well, we've read this
text in our first two lectures.
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Luke 4:5-7, The Devil
takes Jesus up to a very
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high mountain. He shows him all
of the kingdoms of the world.
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He says to Jesus, all of
these kingdoms and their power
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I will give you.
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They have been delivered
unto me and to whom ever
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I wish, I give them.
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Who delivered
this earth to Satan?
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It was Adam. The
reason why Satan went
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to that meeting in
heaven or went to those meetings
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in heaven, representing planet
earth is because, Satan had
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taken over the representative
role over this earth
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He had sat on the throne
where Adam was and he claimed
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dominion over this territory.
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The Devil usurped, or
took away the position
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of Adam.
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We need to study a
few things about Adam.
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It's very interesting, In order
to understand God's heavenly
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counsel. We must take a look
at Adam and God's original plan
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for him. I'm not talking
about Adam after he sinned
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I'm talking about Adam as
God planned originally for him
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Turn with me to Luke 3:23.
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Here we find a description
of the genealogy of Christ.
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I'm going to read the
beginning of his genealogy
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and then I'm going to
read the end of his genealogy
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It says there in Luke 3:23.
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What is Adam called?
Adam is called the son of God.
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Was Adam the son of
God in a special sense?
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In a different
sense then we are?
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Of course he was. We are
technically not sons of God.
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We are sons of Adam.
Sons and daughters of Adam
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There is only one that can
say they came out of the hands
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of the creator. That was Adam.
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Of course also Eve,
that was taken from Adam.
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In the strictest sense of
the word, the only one who could
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be called the
son of God, is Adam.
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Notice here that Adam
is called the son of God.
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Does that ring a bell, when
you look at the book of Job?
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Very Interesting. Who was the
original son of God from planet
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earth? It was Adam.
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Allow me to read a statement
we find in Patriots and Prophets
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page 44.
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Ellen White caught
this point, she says.
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She is quoting,
Luke 3:38. She says,
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He was placed as God's
representative over the lower
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orders of being.
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Clearly we find Adam
being called son of God.
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There are some other
interesting details about God's
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original
description and plan for Adam.
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Do you know, that Adam was
crowned in the garden of Eden?
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Notice what we find in Psalm 8,
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Which we read in a
previous lecture. Psalm 8:3-5.
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Here it speaks
about the crowning of Adam
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Psalm 8:3-5.
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Allow me to read a statement
we find in God's Amazing Grace,
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devotional book by Ellen White,
pg 44. She also caught this
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point that we notice
from scripture from Psalm 8.
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We find Adam, the son
of God, crowned to be king.
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As a king, he
represented planet earth.
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I wasn't to read a
statement that we find in the
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devotional book, The
faith I Live By, it is
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also found in
Patriots and Prophets, pg 48.
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What was Adam? He was
the father and representative
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of the whole human
family. In other words, Adam
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was the representative,
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the legitimate
representative of earth.
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Are you starting to get
the interesting picture?
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The son of God,
crowned to be king, the realm
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of his dominion, everything
relating to the earth.
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The birds of the air, the fish
of the waters and the animals
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that walk upon the land, all
where the sphere of his dominion
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and he is the father and
representative of planet earth.
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How was Adam
garbed, how was he clothed
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originally,
before sin? Actually,
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he was covered
with a robe of light.
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Like the garments that God
wears. You know in the Bible
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where it speaks about angels
being clothed in white linen
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and God the Father
being clothed in white linen?
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The white linen of the angels
and of God, is a garment of
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light.
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Do you remember the
women of Revelation 12?
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It says, representing the true
church, she's clothed with what?
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With the sun.
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So, the garments are garments
of light, but what happened
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when Adam and Eve sinned? What
happened to the garment of light
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They went away and they
saw that they were naked.
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So, they took fig leaves to
cover themselves, but originally
00:22:55.24\00:22:58.51
they were robed
in white garments.
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Allow me to read again a
statement this is from Patriots
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and Prophets, pg 45. See, we
go to scripture and then we read
00:23:05.98\00:23:09.58
the spirit of prophecy.
00:23:09.58\00:23:12.09
Ellen White says this.
00:23:12.09\00:23:13.39
We find Adam and Eve
garbed with garments of light.
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Lets summarize
what we have studied.
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First, Adam is the son of God.
As he was originally created.
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Second, we find Adam crowned.
00:24:06.41\00:24:10.08
Third, we find that the realm
of his dominion is everything
00:24:10.08\00:24:14.45
connected with planet earth.
00:24:14.45\00:24:17.02
Fourth, he is the father and
representative of planet earth.
00:24:17.02\00:24:21.89
He is robed with
garments of light.
00:24:21.89\00:24:25.99
Of course if he was
representative of earth, that
00:24:27.03\00:24:30.77
means that if God ever
called a meeting, who would go
00:24:30.77\00:24:34.44
representing earth? Adam.
00:24:34.44\00:24:36.47
Who represents the United
States of America, if there
00:24:36.47\00:24:39.74
is a meeting? Like the G7
meeting, it is often called?
00:24:39.74\00:24:44.01
Who goes representing our
country? The President of the US
00:24:44.01\00:24:48.25
He is ruler so to speak. He's
not a king. He's democratically
00:24:49.52\00:24:54.29
elected, but he is still
the ruler. He represents the US.
00:24:54.29\00:24:58.96
In the same way Adam
was ruler over the earth,
00:24:59.69\00:25:03.57
and he represented this world.
00:25:03.57\00:25:07.64
Something terrible happened,
Adam, we've noticed in chapter 4
00:25:07.64\00:25:12.54
Also by the fact, Jesus calls
Satan the Prince of this world
00:25:12.54\00:25:17.45
Adam lost his throne,
he abdicated his throne.
00:25:17.45\00:25:21.72
Satan sat on the throne and
claimed the earth. That's why
00:25:21.72\00:25:24.95
when he went to the heavenly
meeting, he says, I've been
00:25:24.95\00:25:28.12
roaming over the earth.
00:25:28.12\00:25:30.93
Patrolling, supervising my
territory, is what he is saying.
00:25:30.93\00:25:35.20
He comes among the sons of God.
00:25:35.20\00:25:38.77
Now, if the
original son of God was Adam
00:25:38.77\00:25:40.67
a creature from a planet.
Who must the other sons of God
00:25:40.67\00:25:46.41
be? Is it possible that they
are Adams from other planets?
00:25:46.41\00:25:52.08
From other worlds? I believe so.
00:25:52.08\00:25:54.88
Lets go to the
book of Revelation.
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Revelation
chapter 4, lets examine
00:25:58.79\00:26:02.62
a few of the things we
studied in a previous lecture.
00:26:02.62\00:26:06.93
Revelation chapter 4, I
want to begin at verse 2.
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Doors open in heaven, John is
invited to go through the door
00:26:12.23\00:26:16.67
when he goes into
the door, he sees there
00:26:16.67\00:26:20.51
a throne. Lets read on about it.
00:26:20.51\00:26:22.71
How many were
seated on the throne? One.
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Why only one? We studied
this in our previous lecture
00:26:39.16\00:26:42.26
The reason why there is
only one, is because the angels
00:26:42.26\00:26:46.37
have all left to pick up Jesus
to bring him back to heaven
00:26:46.37\00:26:50.47
That takes place in
Revelation chapter 5.
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We find this throne,
where God the Father is seated.
00:26:54.08\00:26:58.18
I want you to notice, verse 4.
00:26:59.21\00:27:03.79
What position are the
elder in? They are sitting.
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What are they
sitting on? Thrones.
00:27:26.44\00:27:29.38
Who sits on thrones? Kings.
00:27:29.38\00:27:33.31
Unless you don't
believe these are kings.
00:27:33.31\00:27:36.82
lets continue reading.
00:27:36.82\00:27:38.82
And round about the throne
were four and twenty seats:
00:27:38.82\00:27:43.09
and upon the seats I saw
four and twenty elders sitting.
00:27:43.09\00:27:47.30
Who wears crowns? Kings.
00:28:09.18\00:28:11.85
There are several interesting
details in this verse.
00:28:12.22\00:28:14.39
We need to know that these
are not angels. We are going to
00:28:15.76\00:28:17.96
notice this a little
bit later, or more clearly.
00:28:17.96\00:28:21.33
These are not angels. In
scripture, angels are not
00:28:21.33\00:28:25.27
portrayed as sitting.
They are always in movement.
00:28:25.27\00:28:29.10
Fulfilling the missions of God.
They are ministering spirits
00:28:29.10\00:28:33.81
They don't have any
sphere of ruler ship.
00:28:33.81\00:28:37.65
and furthermore, in scripture
it self, there is no reference
00:28:37.65\00:28:41.78
as far as I am able to
find, to angels having crowns.
00:28:41.78\00:28:47.22
We find here, that these beings
00:28:49.72\00:28:52.89
are kings, they
are seated on thrones
00:28:52.89\00:28:57.07
they must be rulers somewhere.
They're garbed in white garments
00:28:57.07\00:29:02.70
We also find in Revelation
4, that they are creatures
00:29:02.70\00:29:07.88
Notice Revelation 4:9-10.
00:29:07.88\00:29:12.61
It says in verse 9, And
when these living creatures
00:29:12.61\00:29:17.55
give glory and honor and thanks
to him that sat on the throne
00:29:17.55\00:29:21.92
who liveth for ever and ever.
00:29:21.92\00:29:24.66
They are worshiping the one
on the throne as the creator
00:29:50.59\00:29:53.52
which means that
they must be what?
00:29:53.52\00:29:55.69
They must be creatures.
00:29:55.69\00:29:58.69
So, you have
creatures that are crowned
00:29:58.69\00:30:01.80
Creatures that sit upon thrones.
Creatures that are garbed
00:30:02.70\00:30:07.67
in white garments. They
have come to this meeting
00:30:07.67\00:30:11.17
place. Where everything's being
prepared for the arrival of
00:30:11.17\00:30:15.44
whom? For the
arrival of Jesus Christ
00:30:15.44\00:30:19.85
We noticed in our previous
lecture that in the midst of the
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throne, there were
four living beings.
00:30:25.35\00:30:30.86
Which we identified
as what? As seraphim.
00:30:31.39\00:30:35.76
Commanding angels
with six wings. If you read
00:30:36.56\00:30:41.97
Ezekiel chapters 10 and
11, you'll discover that the
00:30:41.97\00:30:45.21
cherubim are described
in very similar terminology.
00:30:45.21\00:30:48.41
In other words, present there,
awaiting the arrival of Christ,
00:30:48.41\00:30:52.78
were cherubim and seraphim.
00:30:52.78\00:30:57.25
Then, you remember
in chapter 4, Jesus is
00:30:57.25\00:31:02.52
missing, right? He's not sitting
on the throne. In chapter 4
00:31:02.52\00:31:06.26
are the angels there?
The angels aren't there.
00:31:06.26\00:31:09.13
There missing. You say, where
is Jesus, where are the angels
00:31:09.66\00:31:14.97
The fact is, the one on the
throne is praised, because he is
00:31:14.97\00:31:18.14
the creator. There is
no reference to redemption.
00:31:18.14\00:31:20.91
But, when you get to chapter
five, there are clear references
00:31:20.91\00:31:25.28
to redemption. Jesus appears
and all of the angelic hosts
00:31:25.28\00:31:29.65
also appear, along with
Jesus, because in chapter 5
00:31:29.65\00:31:33.89
Jesus arrives in heaven.
00:31:33.89\00:31:38.23
Go with me to
chapter 5 and verse 5.
00:31:38.23\00:31:42.70
And one of the
elders saith unto me,
00:31:42.70\00:31:45.93
Weep not: behold
00:31:45.93\00:31:50.47
the Lion of the tribe of
Judah, the Root of David, hath
00:31:50.47\00:31:55.34
prevailed. Prevailed over
whom? Who did he prevail over?
00:31:55.34\00:32:01.02
He prevailed over Satan.
Hath prevailed to open the book
00:32:01.02\00:32:06.69
and to loose the
seven seals thereof.
00:32:06.69\00:32:10.59
And I beheld, and, lo, in the
midst of the throne and of the
00:32:11.16\00:32:15.23
four beasts, and in the
midst of the elders, stood
00:32:15.23\00:32:20.07
a lamb as it had been
slain. What did it cost this
00:32:20.07\00:32:25.61
lamb in order to over
come Satan? Was he scared?
00:32:25.61\00:32:30.38
Yes, he was. It says, a
lamb as it had been slain.
00:32:30.38\00:32:35.12
having seven
horns and seven eyes.
00:32:35.12\00:32:39.05
Which are the seven spirits of
God sent forth to all the earth
00:32:39.05\00:32:44.09
And he came and took the
book out of the right hand of
00:32:44.86\00:32:48.36
him that sat upon the throne
00:32:48.36\00:32:51.30
Now in chapter 5, Jesus arrives.
If you go to verse 11 you find
00:32:51.30\00:32:55.97
all the angelic hosts around
the throne and they are singing
00:32:55.97\00:32:59.34
honor and glory, not only to
the one seated on the throne,
00:32:59.34\00:33:02.64
the creator, but they
are singing honor and glory
00:33:02.64\00:33:05.01
and praise to Jesus Christ,
because he is the redeemer.
00:33:05.01\00:33:09.98
Are you catching the picture?
00:33:11.29\00:33:12.92
And present
there, are the 24 elders.
00:33:12.92\00:33:17.29
Now, there is
another person missing.
00:33:18.03\00:33:22.30
In the story of
Revelation 4 and 5.
00:33:22.30\00:33:26.53
If this is the heavenly
counsel, where at a certain time
00:33:27.10\00:33:31.24
the sons of God, who are rulers,
are crowned and are garbed in
00:33:31.24\00:33:35.78
white and are sons of God. They
are invited to come on special
00:33:35.78\00:33:40.28
occasions to heaven. Among those
00:33:40.28\00:33:44.49
to those meetings, came
Satan. Whom would we expect
00:33:44.49\00:33:49.59
to come to this meeting, that
takes place in Revelation 4, 5?
00:33:49.59\00:33:54.36
Well if the 24 elders are
the representatives of the world
00:33:55.73\00:33:59.17
which seems to be the case,
when you look at the comparison
00:33:59.17\00:34:02.54
between Job and
Revelation chapters 4 and 5.
00:34:02.54\00:34:05.24
You would expect Satan
to be there, but the fact is
00:34:05.24\00:34:09.84
that Satan is missing in
the story of Revelation 4 and 5.
00:34:10.61\00:34:15.02
Do you know why?
00:34:17.12\00:34:19.42
Because at the cross of
Calvary, he was overcome.
00:34:19.42\00:34:23.26
Go with me to John
chapter 12 and lets notice this.
00:34:24.63\00:34:28.06
John chapter 12, lets
see if it all fits together
00:34:28.06\00:34:33.23
John 12 verses 31-33.
This is just a couple of days
00:34:33.23\00:34:38.34
before the death of Christ.
00:34:38.34\00:34:40.51
It says there in John 12:31.
00:34:40.51\00:34:44.95
The following.
00:34:44.95\00:34:47.38
This is not the talking
about the original casting out
00:35:07.57\00:35:10.17
of Satan from heaven.
This is another casting out.
00:35:10.17\00:35:12.51
Did you know the Devil was
cast out of heaven at the cross?
00:35:12.51\00:35:15.78
He was cast out as a
representative of this world.
00:35:15.78\00:35:19.85
Notice how Jesus
did it. Verse 32.
00:35:20.45\00:35:23.82
And I if I be lifted up from the
earth will draw all men unto me
00:35:23.82\00:35:29.02
This he said, signifying
00:35:29.02\00:35:31.93
what death he should die
00:35:31.93\00:35:35.60
What is it that cast Satan out
of heaven according to Jesus?
00:35:35.60\00:35:40.07
It was going to be, his
what? His death on the cross.
00:35:40.07\00:35:43.57
When Jesus says, It is
finished to his father,
00:35:43.57\00:35:46.91
he is also
saying, He is finished.
00:35:46.91\00:35:51.21
His head was crushed.
00:35:51.21\00:35:53.85
Satan no longer
represents planet earth.
00:35:54.55\00:35:58.89
Now, Jesus ascends to
heaven and the human race has a
00:35:58.89\00:36:02.49
new representative.
00:36:02.49\00:36:05.76
That's the reason the
new testament calls Jesus
00:36:05.76\00:36:09.00
the last Adam.
00:36:09.00\00:36:13.37
In 1 Corinthians
chapter 15 and verse 45.
00:36:13.37\00:36:16.67
Jesus is called the
last Adam, because Jesus came
00:36:17.51\00:36:22.34
to recover that which Adam lost.
00:36:22.34\00:36:27.25
He did that.
00:36:28.45\00:36:30.59
I'd like to read
some statements here,
00:36:30.59\00:36:33.89
These statements
come from several sources
00:36:33.89\00:36:37.16
The first is in the
Gospel Herald, March 1, 1901.
00:36:39.16\00:36:43.26
Notice what Ellen White
says. She caught this point
00:36:43.26\00:36:47.34
That no long could Satan go
around representing this world
00:36:47.34\00:36:50.77
when the sons of God gather
in heaven. Satan can't go there.
00:36:50.77\00:36:54.11
Jesus has taken
the place of Satan.
00:36:55.61\00:36:59.85
It says there. Christ
was to suffer in our behalf.
00:37:00.32\00:37:04.79
Standing at the head of humanity
00:37:05.45\00:37:09.66
as representative of the race.
What was Jesus going to do?
00:37:09.66\00:37:14.23
He's going to be at the head of
humanity as the representative
00:37:14.83\00:37:18.20
of the race. He was to work
out the character which every
00:37:18.20\00:37:22.74
follower of his, is to work out.
00:37:22.74\00:37:25.74
Through the provision which he
has made. His infinite sacrifice
00:37:25.74\00:37:30.51
his life and death on earth.
00:37:30.51\00:37:34.52
So, who is the new head and
representative of planet earth?
00:37:34.52\00:37:37.92
It is the second Adam, Jesus.
00:37:37.92\00:37:41.76
Signs of the
Times, January 16, 1896.
00:37:41.76\00:37:45.63
We find these words.
00:37:45.63\00:37:47.76
Let me ask you. Who is
the new king of planet earth?
00:38:10.65\00:38:13.32
Who is the new
representative of planet earth
00:38:13.32\00:38:15.82
in the heavenly counsel?
It's none less then Jesus Christ
00:38:15.82\00:38:20.03
Satan, the prince of this world,
was cast down at the cross
00:38:20.03\00:38:24.13
of Calvary. Now, when ever
there are meetings in heaven
00:38:24.13\00:38:28.37
Jesus represents this earth.
He represents this planet.
00:38:28.37\00:38:32.57
So, who are the 24
elders of Revelation chapter 4?
00:38:35.81\00:38:40.78
I have no doubts in my mind,
that by the characteristics
00:38:42.08\00:38:45.32
we have studied, that
the 24 elders represent the
00:38:45.32\00:38:49.22
representatives of
the unfallen worlds.
00:38:49.22\00:38:53.70
They're crowned because
they are kings of their planets.
00:38:53.70\00:38:57.00
They sit on thrones because they
are kings. They are garbed in
00:38:57.00\00:39:01.40
white. Just like Adam was
when he was created originally.
00:39:01.40\00:39:04.27
They are the rulers of
the worlds who where invited
00:39:04.27\00:39:09.28
to the inauguration of Jesus,
upon his return to heaven.
00:39:09.28\00:39:14.18
Now, I know someone is saying,
wait a minute pastor Bohr.
00:39:14.75\00:39:18.05
You are passing over a problem.
00:39:19.75\00:39:23.16
We need to solve this problem.
00:39:23.16\00:39:26.49
The problem is in
Revelation 5: 9-10.
00:39:26.49\00:39:30.23
We have to deal with the
problems also. Revelation 5:9-10
00:39:30.23\00:39:33.84
Do you know that traditionally
in the Seventh-day Adventist
00:39:33.84\00:39:37.41
Church, the idea is, the
24 elders represent those
00:39:37.41\00:39:42.14
who resurrected with Christ.
00:39:42.14\00:39:45.38
Even the most resent
books that you find at the ABC.
00:39:45.38\00:39:48.38
Teach that, the 24 elders are
those who resurrected with Jesus
00:39:48.38\00:39:54.26
which we spoke about
in our previous lecture.
00:39:54.26\00:39:56.19
Folks, it's not possible.
00:39:56.86\00:39:59.33
The 24 elders are there
in heaven in Revelation 4
00:39:59.33\00:40:04.20
before Jesus arrives in chapter
5, with those delivered from
00:40:04.20\00:40:08.64
the grave. Are you
understanding me or not?
00:40:08.64\00:40:11.61
Notice Revelation 5:9-10. This
is where we have the problem
00:40:12.17\00:40:16.21
We have to solve it, because
this morning after I presented
00:40:16.21\00:40:20.72
my sermon, or my lecture, I had
someone say, Ahh, there is this
00:40:20.72\00:40:25.15
little problem. You said the 24
elders are the representatives
00:40:25.15\00:40:28.36
of the worlds but what do you do
with this? I said, come tonight
00:40:28.36\00:40:31.53
He said, I can't.
00:40:31.53\00:40:33.90
We will have to get him the DVD.
00:40:33.90\00:40:36.67
Revelation
chapter 5 verses 9-10.
00:40:36.67\00:40:40.70
It says there. Lets read
verse 8, for the context.
00:40:41.57\00:40:46.07
When he had taken the book,
notice this. The four beasts
00:40:46.07\00:40:51.18
and 24 elders. Did
you catch this point?
00:40:51.18\00:40:55.78
The four living creatures, the
24 elders. Very important point.
00:40:55.78\00:40:59.62
Fell down before the Lamb,
having everyone of them harps
00:40:59.62\00:41:03.63
and golden vials full of odours,
which are the prayers of saints.
00:41:03.63\00:41:07.23
Were the seraphim's
redeemed from the earth
00:41:24.21\00:41:26.82
from every kindred
and tribe? Of course, not.
00:41:26.82\00:41:29.42
I asked that
point for a purpose.
00:41:29.42\00:41:31.72
Notice what we find in verse 9.
00:41:31.72\00:41:33.99
What do we do with that problem?
It seems to say that the 24
00:42:27.88\00:42:31.41
elders are redeemed from
every nation on planet earth.
00:42:31.41\00:42:34.32
It seems to say that they are
going to be kings upon the earth
00:42:34.32\00:42:37.32
This problem is not as
complicated as it seems.
00:42:38.29\00:42:42.49
There is a problem
in translation here.
00:42:42.49\00:42:46.06
The King James translators,
miss translated verses 9:10.
00:42:46.06\00:42:51.00
By the way, almost every
single modern version corrects
00:42:51.00\00:42:55.10
the problem in translation.
Whether it's the NIV, the
00:42:55.10\00:42:59.14
New English Bible, Jerusalem
Bible. All the modern versions
00:42:59.14\00:43:02.28
translate these
two verses correctly.
00:43:02.28\00:43:06.58
The pronoun us, is
not in the original.
00:43:06.58\00:43:10.79
It is added by the
King James translators
00:43:11.45\00:43:14.82
For some unexplainable
reason, in verse 10
00:43:14.82\00:43:18.16
in Greek, it says, They
shall rein upon the earth
00:43:19.56\00:43:23.10
and they took the liberty
of changing it to, we shall
00:43:23.10\00:43:26.67
rein upon the earth.
00:43:26.67\00:43:28.84
I'm not saying that the King
James version is a bad version
00:43:28.84\00:43:32.01
what I'm saying is, no
version of the Bible is perfect.
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If you go to the Greek,
in which the new testament
00:43:36.95\00:43:40.58
was written, it becomes
very clear that the 24 elders
00:43:40.58\00:43:44.15
where not redeemed from every
nation. They're actually singing
00:43:44.15\00:43:48.12
about the redeemed. The
best translation actually says
00:43:48.12\00:43:52.49
in verse 9. And they sung
a new song, saying thou art
00:43:52.49\00:43:55.93
worthy to take the book
and to open the seals thereof
00:43:55.93\00:43:59.30
for thou was slain and
hast redeemed to God by thy
00:43:59.30\00:44:05.07
blood, out of every kindred,
and tongue and people and nation
00:44:05.07\00:44:09.18
Not us, but you have redeemed
people from every sphere
00:44:09.18\00:44:13.75
of planet earth and hast us made
00:44:13.75\00:44:16.65
onto our God kings and priests
00:44:16.65\00:44:18.75
Not us, but you have made
kings and priests, and then
00:44:20.02\00:44:23.73
they shall reign upon the earth.
00:44:24.76\00:44:27.76
Are you
understanding what I'm saying?
00:44:28.46\00:44:31.73
Now, we solved the
problem in translation.
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We have a few more things
we have to take a look at.
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As we examine
the heavenly counsel
00:44:39.14\00:44:41.58
Sometimes the best way to
determine, who a group are,
00:44:42.68\00:44:46.78
is by studying,
who they are not.
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So, lets start disqualifying
00:44:51.72\00:44:55.92
the different groups
that we know of in scripture
00:44:55.92\00:44:59.66
that exist in
heaven and on earth.
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Number 1, are the 24 elders the
same as the 4 living creatures?
00:45:02.96\00:45:08.10
What are the 4 living creatures?
They are cherubim and seraphim
00:45:09.54\00:45:13.01
So are the 24 elders cherubim
and seraphim? No, because
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in Revelation 4 and 5
they are distinguished
00:45:18.11\00:45:20.72
They are two different groups.
00:45:20.72\00:45:22.68
Are the 24 four elders
part of the angelic host?
00:45:22.68\00:45:28.06
Maybe so, lets go
to Revelation 5:11.
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Revelation 5:11, they are not
angels, not part of the angelic
00:45:33.66\00:45:37.07
host. Notice
carefully, Revelation 5:11
00:45:37.07\00:45:42.47
It says that I beheld,
and I heard the voice of many
00:45:42.47\00:45:46.04
angels, round about the
throne and the living creatures
00:45:46.04\00:45:49.58
and the elders.
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Are the angelic host
distinguished from the elders
00:45:51.75\00:45:54.72
and from the four
living creatures in that verse?
00:45:54.72\00:45:57.59
Yes, they are not cherubim,
seraphim which are the leaders
00:45:57.59\00:46:01.66
of angels they're not
part of the angelic hosts
00:46:01.66\00:46:05.83
They're not angelic beings.
00:46:05.83\00:46:08.76
What about those that
resurrected with Christ.
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maybe they are the ones
who resurrected with Jesus
00:46:13.20\00:46:15.67
I've already mentioned
that, that isn't possible.
00:46:16.27\00:46:19.11
because they are already
present in the throne room
00:46:19.11\00:46:22.01
before Jesus arrives
with those that resurrected
00:46:22.01\00:46:24.85
Are you
understanding my point, or not?
00:46:24.85\00:46:27.62
The elders are already in
heaven before Jesus arrives
00:46:27.62\00:46:30.45
with those that
resurrected with him.
00:46:30.45\00:46:32.99
which means that, these beings
were invited to the reception
00:46:32.99\00:46:36.83
of Jesus should
arrive in heaven.
00:46:36.83\00:46:40.50
Somebody, might say, well Pastor
maybe it's a different name
00:46:40.50\00:46:43.87
for an unnumbered
host of the redeemed.
00:46:43.87\00:46:47.60
Again, nice try. In
Revelation chapter 7
00:46:47.60\00:46:51.94
verse 13, if you go
with me there. Rev 7:13.
00:46:51.94\00:46:56.18
We find that the 24 elders
are actually distinguished
00:46:56.18\00:46:59.88
from the great multitude
which no one could number
00:46:59.88\00:47:03.59
Revelation chapter 7,
but lets begin at verse 9.
00:47:03.59\00:47:07.26
It says, After this I beheld
a great multitude, which no man
00:47:07.26\00:47:10.49
number, of all nations and
kindreds and people and tongues
00:47:10.49\00:47:13.50
Stood before the throne, and
before the Lamb, clothed with
00:47:13.50\00:47:16.43
white robes, and
palms in their hands.
00:47:16.43\00:47:18.97
Verse 13. And one of the
elders answered, saying unto me
00:47:18.97\00:47:22.94
What are these which
are arrayed in white robes?
00:47:24.27\00:47:28.18
and whence came they? Notice,
one of the elders is asking
00:47:28.18\00:47:31.51
who are these great multitude?
As seen by John. Would he ask
00:47:31.51\00:47:34.82
who is this great multitude,
if he was part of the multitude?
00:47:34.82\00:47:38.39
Of course not. The 24 elders
are distinguished from the great
00:47:38.39\00:47:41.92
multitude of the redeemed.
00:47:41.92\00:47:44.29
Someone might say, well Pastor
Bohr, maybe their the ones
00:47:44.29\00:47:47.46
that are going to resurrect when
Jesus comes. When he comes down
00:47:47.46\00:47:50.47
with a shout, with a voice of
the archangel the trumpet of God
00:47:50.47\00:47:53.57
The dead in Christ will rise,
they must be the 24 elders.
00:47:53.57\00:47:57.21
Won't work because the 24 elders
were there at the Ascension
00:47:57.21\00:48:00.78
God's people won't resurrect
until the second coming of Jesus
00:48:01.48\00:48:04.51
Someone might say, Pastor
Bohr, what about the 144,000?
00:48:05.21\00:48:08.88
those that will be alive
when Jesus comes, maybe their
00:48:08.88\00:48:12.49
the 144,000 with
a different name.
00:48:12.49\00:48:15.66
Again, if you read Revelation
14:3. You'll discover that
00:48:15.66\00:48:19.96
the elders are
distinguished from the 144,000.
00:48:19.96\00:48:24.37
These beings are not
angels and they don't
00:48:24.37\00:48:28.57
fit into any
category of human beings.
00:48:28.57\00:48:32.77
So, what are we left with?
00:48:32.77\00:48:36.58
They must be a
different order of being.
00:48:36.58\00:48:40.08
They're not angelic
and they're not human.
00:48:40.08\00:48:43.52
From what we have
studied, they must be, the what?
00:48:43.52\00:48:46.59
They must be the representatives
of the worlds. They must be
00:48:46.59\00:48:50.99
the Adams of the different
realms all across the universe.
00:48:50.99\00:48:55.26
I'd like to read a portion
of a passage that I read in
00:48:55.80\00:48:59.10
our previous lecture. This
is found in the Desire of Ages
00:48:59.10\00:49:02.37
pg 834. Ellen White caught
00:49:02.37\00:49:05.04
This long before I did
00:49:05.04\00:49:07.88
There's not many people that
have the same view that I do
00:49:08.74\00:49:12.28
of the 24 elders, but I believe
that we have firm biblical
00:49:12.28\00:49:15.78
evidence and spirit of prophecy
evidence for what I'm presenting
00:49:15.78\00:49:18.62
In Desire of Ages,
Ellen White says this.
00:49:19.52\00:49:22.32
Speaking about the moment
when Jesus arrives into the city
00:49:22.32\00:49:25.56
Pg 834.
00:49:25.56\00:49:27.10
By the way, who
would those be in Rev 4?
00:50:14.94\00:50:19.11
The four living creatures.
The 24 elders would be, what?
00:50:19.11\00:50:24.15
The
representatives of the worlds.
00:50:25.55\00:50:26.76
Then Ellen White says this.
00:50:26.76\00:50:30.03
If the one seated on the throne
is the father, as she identifies
00:51:39.06\00:51:42.13
If the four living creatures
are cherubim and seraphim
00:51:42.13\00:51:46.20
If the Lamb, as though he
had been slain, is Christ.
00:51:47.50\00:51:51.61
If the innumerable host that
is singing are angels, because
00:51:53.04\00:51:57.85
she interprets them as angels.
00:51:57.85\00:52:00.42
Must we also expect to find in
this passage the identity of the
00:52:00.98\00:52:05.02
24 elders? Absolutely.
00:52:05.02\00:52:08.09
Whom does she say they are?
00:52:08.09\00:52:11.03
She says the representatives
of the unfallen worlds
00:52:11.03\00:52:15.13
the sons of God.
00:52:15.13\00:52:19.23
He points to the
tokens of his triumph
00:52:20.47\00:52:23.61
You know the interesting
thing is, God makes decisions
00:52:36.02\00:52:39.29
in heaven by
consulting his heavenly counsel.
00:52:39.29\00:52:42.79
There's an interesting reference
in the book Story of Redemption
00:52:44.16\00:52:48.20
There Ellen White
explains when Satan
00:52:49.76\00:52:53.90
who was Lucifer at that
time, was rebel rising in heaven
00:52:53.90\00:52:57.54
and he was spreading
rumors against God, turning the
00:52:58.74\00:53:01.61
heavenly beings against God.
00:53:01.61\00:53:02.71
It got to a
point, where God gathered
00:53:02.71\00:53:04.78
the heavenly counsel, which
would be the representatives
00:53:04.78\00:53:08.75
of the worlds, and the angels.
00:53:08.75\00:53:12.69
He said, this is what's
happening, it's being done in an
00:53:12.69\00:53:17.36
underhanded way, but
this is what's being done.
00:53:17.36\00:53:19.93
What do you suggest we do?
00:53:19.93\00:53:23.30
Do you know what
the counsel said?
00:53:24.20\00:53:26.13
Expel him from heaven.
00:53:26.13\00:53:29.70
The decision to expel Lucifer
from heaven was not a unilateral
00:53:29.70\00:53:34.38
decision by God.
It was a decision made
00:53:34.38\00:53:38.18
by the heavenly
counsel. God works by committee.
00:53:38.18\00:53:43.05
Is it that nice?
00:53:48.39\00:53:50.63
You know as a Pastor
I've learned that I can't make
00:53:50.63\00:53:52.86
unilateral decisions, I have
to have backing of the board.
00:53:52.86\00:53:57.40
So God, before he make any
decision regarding this earth
00:53:59.53\00:54:03.91
important decision he
gathers the heavenly counsel
00:54:03.91\00:54:08.11
to decide what
is going to be done.
00:54:08.11\00:54:12.31
I need to conclude
this, I want to just mention
00:54:13.31\00:54:17.75
that the 24 elders are mentioned
00:54:17.75\00:54:21.99
in six chapters
00:54:21.99\00:54:26.66
of the book of Revelation.
00:54:26.66\00:54:29.66
The first reference is in
Revelation 4, and I want you to
00:54:30.63\00:54:33.57
notice the relationship. The
first chapter the 24 elders are
00:54:33.57\00:54:36.44
mentioned is chapter 4. They are
praising the one on the throne
00:54:36.44\00:54:39.27
because he is the creator.
00:54:39.27\00:54:42.61
Jesus hasn't arrived yet.
00:54:42.61\00:54:45.88
They are found in
chapter 5. In chapter 5,
00:54:45.88\00:54:50.52
they are praising Jesus
00:54:50.52\00:54:55.36
because he is the redeemer.
00:54:55.36\00:55:00.10
See, they were invited
there before Jesus ascended
00:55:01.00\00:55:03.87
they're there for the
celebration when Jesus arrives.
00:55:03.87\00:55:06.63
To welcome the commander home.
00:55:07.67\00:55:10.81
You know, there are four
other places in Revelation
00:55:10.81\00:55:14.21
were the 24 elders are mentioned
I just going to mention them
00:55:14.21\00:55:16.88
very quickly.
Revelation 7:13, which we read.
00:55:16.88\00:55:20.55
Where the great multitude
without number is found in front
00:55:21.55\00:55:24.39
of the throne of God.
00:55:24.39\00:55:26.99
In other words,
they have been redeemed.
00:55:26.99\00:55:29.36
They're in heaven. Are we going
to meet the 24 elders someday?
00:55:29.36\00:55:32.29
Are we going to meet the
representatives of the worlds
00:55:33.19\00:55:35.56
Yes, because when the great
multitude is there, the elders
00:55:35.56\00:55:37.90
are there.
00:55:37.90\00:55:40.00
Next place they are
found is Revelation 11:16-17
00:55:40.94\00:55:44.54
We don't have time to read
all these verses, but I want to.
00:55:44.54\00:55:47.54
Revelation 11:16-17, it speaks
about the moment when Jesus
00:55:47.54\00:55:50.48
Christ receives his
kingdom at the end of time.
00:55:50.48\00:55:54.22
Present there, once
again, are the 24 elders.
00:55:54.22\00:55:57.92
They are mention
in Revelation 14:3.
00:55:58.59\00:56:02.12
In revelation 14:3, we find
a description of the 144,000
00:56:02.12\00:56:07.60
they are standing on
Mount Zion, they're victorious
00:56:07.60\00:56:10.20
They have overcome the beast his
image and they refused the mark
00:56:10.20\00:56:14.74
Now they are victorious on
Mt. Zion, and along with them
00:56:15.44\00:56:19.34
are the 24 elders.
00:56:19.34\00:56:22.81
The final reference
is in Revelation 15.
00:56:22.81\00:56:26.78
There we find a great multitude
in heaven. By the way, the Lamb
00:56:26.78\00:56:29.58
is there, the four
living creatures are there,
00:56:29.58\00:56:31.62
the one who is
seated on the throne.
00:56:31.62\00:56:33.29
All of the beings
mentioned in Rev 4 and 5
00:56:33.29\00:56:35.96
are there.
00:56:35.96\00:56:39.13
They are singing a
song, in honor of God.
00:56:39.13\00:56:43.37
No longer is he the creator
only, not the redeemer only,
00:56:44.03\00:56:48.84
but has judged the great harlot,
who persecuted God people.
00:56:48.84\00:56:53.61
He has delivered God's
people from their enemies.
00:56:53.61\00:56:57.91
Now they stand in heaven,
victorious along the 24 elders
00:56:57.91\00:57:02.15
singing praises to the one
who is sitting on the throne.
00:57:02.15\00:57:06.35
The good news is, very soon we
are going to meet the 24 elders.
00:57:07.76\00:57:10.83
Isn't this good news? We'll
be able the beings from other
00:57:11.46\00:57:14.56
worlds. Some people are bent
out of shape because Ellen White
00:57:14.56\00:57:17.60
Says that she once spoke to
someone from a different world
00:57:17.60\00:57:20.57
It shouldn't bend you out
of shape, we find in Revelation
00:57:21.14\00:57:23.44
6 and 7, that John is
speaking to one of the elders.
00:57:23.44\00:57:27.41
Isn't God
wonderful? Praise the Lord.
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