There's a question that moves through Christian circles, 00:00:01.06\00:00:04.50 will the temple be rebuilt? 00:00:04.53\00:00:07.52 Join us today on Back to our Roots 00:00:07.55\00:00:09.80 as we explore that possibility. 00:00:09.83\00:00:12.51 Welcome once again to Back to our Roots. 00:00:32.36\00:00:34.64 I am your host Pastor Alex Schlusser, 00:00:34.67\00:00:36.50 this is my co-host... Rachel Hyman. 00:00:36.53\00:00:38.60 And we are so happy that you joined us today. 00:00:38.63\00:00:41.74 You know over previous shows we have dealt 00:00:41.77\00:00:44.95 in small portions with the temple and the idea. 00:00:44.98\00:00:48.87 But today we're going to talk about an aspect 00:00:48.90\00:00:50.73 that we haven't really touched on. 00:00:50.76\00:00:52.39 And it's a real hot button in Christian circles. 00:00:52.42\00:00:55.93 When will the temple be rebuilt? Or-- 00:00:55.96\00:00:58.88 Will the temple be rebuilt ever? Will the temple be rebuilt? 00:00:58.91\00:01:02.13 You know Rachel, have you had any conversations 00:01:02.16\00:01:05.42 with people with regard to that? 00:01:05.45\00:01:06.87 Yeah, definitely you know, 00:01:06.90\00:01:08.41 there's movement that feels like-- 00:01:08.44\00:01:11.10 I'll tell you the most intense experience that I've had is when 00:01:11.13\00:01:14.68 people come up to me and say, "You are Jewish? 00:01:14.71\00:01:17.35 What are you doing living in United States? 00:01:17.38\00:01:20.40 I mean, you need to go back to Israel 00:01:20.43\00:01:22.16 or else the temple will not be able to be rebuilt 00:01:22.19\00:01:24.40 unless you are there because all the Jews needed to be 00:01:24.43\00:01:27.42 back in their homeland before God has the capability 00:01:27.45\00:01:30.73 of building up the temple once again." 00:01:30.76\00:01:32.77 And I am like, okay. 00:01:32.80\00:01:34.04 Supposedly I am an offence to some people 00:01:34.07\00:01:36.35 because I've chosen to live in America. 00:01:36.38\00:01:38.30 Wow. I haven't had that but I certainly have had my running 00:01:38.33\00:01:42.34 with people that again, like I said, it's a really hot topic. 00:01:42.37\00:01:47.51 We're going to explore several different aspects of it today 00:01:47.54\00:01:50.55 from both the Jewish perspective, 00:01:50.58\00:01:52.60 from a Christian perspective and what does the Bible 00:01:52.63\00:01:55.88 more importantly have to say about 00:01:55.91\00:01:58.35 whether the temple is in fact going to be rebuilt. 00:01:58.38\00:02:02.12 Before we go any further, let's bring out our resident scholar. 00:02:02.15\00:02:06.33 All right. Our friend, our bother, Sasha. 00:02:06.36\00:02:08.82 How are you today my brother? I am good. 00:02:08.85\00:02:11.64 Good to see you, Rachel. Good you see you, Sash. 00:02:11.67\00:02:14.05 Good to see you, Alex. Good to see you to. 00:02:14.08\00:02:16.25 How are you doing? Pretty good. 00:02:16.28\00:02:18.40 You are doing well. 00:02:18.43\00:02:19.46 So, Sasha, our topic today is the temple 00:02:19.49\00:02:22.82 but more importantly, when will the temple be rebuilt? 00:02:22.85\00:02:28.29 Sasha, if we were to go back 00:02:28.32\00:02:31.50 and let's just first start off by talking about a purely 00:02:31.53\00:02:35.64 Jewish perspective on the temple. 00:02:35.67\00:02:38.21 I know that on my visits to Israel and to Jerusalem. 00:02:38.24\00:02:43.36 There is a society that has formed there 00:02:43.39\00:02:46.83 that they are actually reproducing all the different 00:02:46.86\00:02:50.52 elements that the Levitical priesthood would need 00:02:50.55\00:02:54.18 once since they believe the temple will be rebuilt. 00:02:54.21\00:02:57.72 Once it is rebuilt they are gonna have everything in place. 00:02:57.75\00:03:00.53 What do you think about that, Sasha? 00:03:00.56\00:03:02.52 Well, yes, I've been to this temple institute 00:03:02.55\00:03:07.58 and I know very well Rabbi Glick 00:03:07.61\00:03:11.09 who is the director of this institute. 00:03:11.12\00:03:15.00 I've seen this huge menorah 00:03:15.03\00:03:17.72 which they have built, you know, 00:03:17.75\00:03:22.04 on you know, with the money of Vadim Rabinovich, 00:03:22.07\00:03:25.04 the president of Jewish community in Kiev, 00:03:25.07\00:03:28.85 you know, a couple of million dollars. 00:03:28.88\00:03:31.00 They told me about the issues they had, you know, 00:03:31.03\00:03:34.37 they couldn't build it like it says in the Torah 00:03:34.40\00:03:37.11 from the pure gold without having any metal support for it, 00:03:37.14\00:03:42.77 otherwise it collapses on itself. 00:03:42.80\00:03:45.86 Then he shared with me some other issues 00:03:45.89\00:03:48.84 they are having like for example 00:03:48.87\00:03:50.64 they have no idea how to come up with red heifer. 00:03:50.67\00:03:55.52 Right. Yeah, I've read about that. 00:03:55.55\00:03:57.95 They keep trying to have that pure red heifer 00:03:57.98\00:04:01.80 that's required as far as what the Torah says. 00:04:01.83\00:04:05.03 What are they trying to make happen here? 00:04:05.06\00:04:06.74 Well, they need a unmarked red cow. Okay. 00:04:06.77\00:04:11.00 Without any splotches or anything 00:04:11.03\00:04:12.49 because if you go back into Torah, 00:04:12.52\00:04:14.47 it was the ashes of the red heifer 00:04:14.50\00:04:16.24 that were used to purify the Levitical priesthood. 00:04:16.27\00:04:19.55 Right, in rebuilding the temple 00:04:19.58\00:04:21.17 what are they trying to make happen? 00:04:21.20\00:04:22.23 Have the Messiah come back or something? 00:04:22.26\00:04:23.69 Well, this is the very important thing. 00:04:23.72\00:04:27.17 Well, let's not get away ahead of ourselves 00:04:27.20\00:04:28.91 because that's jumping way to the end today. 00:04:28.94\00:04:32.45 Okay. I want to spend more time about 00:04:32.48\00:04:34.51 what actually is happening and what they are doing. 00:04:34.54\00:04:36.63 Okay. Yes. 00:04:36.66\00:04:38.23 What's happening is Judaism is divided in that matter. 00:04:38.26\00:04:44.52 Judaism is strongly divided. 00:04:44.55\00:04:46.12 You have American Judaism such as reform and conservative. 00:04:46.15\00:04:51.02 They do not believe in rebuilding of the temple. 00:04:51.05\00:04:54.16 So about 60% of the Americans Jews, 00:04:54.19\00:04:57.77 reform and conservative don't believe 00:04:57.80\00:05:00.12 in rebuilding of the temple because they are rational people 00:05:00.15\00:05:04.43 and they understand that rebuilding, 00:05:04.46\00:05:07.72 attempt to rebuild something on a temple mount 00:05:07.75\00:05:11.09 will cause World War III. 00:05:11.12\00:05:13.45 So that's what their rationality. 00:05:13.48\00:05:16.14 Well, first people have to understand 00:05:16.17\00:05:18.02 also that the place where the temple 00:05:18.05\00:05:20.43 would have to be build is right where the dome of the rock is. 00:05:20.46\00:05:23.89 Yeah, absolutely. 00:05:23.92\00:05:24.98 So that mosque would have to be removed 00:05:25.01\00:05:28.27 from the temple mount for the temple to be rebuilt. 00:05:28.30\00:05:33.26 Like Sasha said for that to happen, 00:05:33.29\00:05:35.52 it would be World War III. 00:05:35.55\00:05:37.13 You know it's crazy, Sasha, is I remember many years ago 00:05:37.16\00:05:41.27 when the scud missiles were being launched at Israel 00:05:41.30\00:05:46.01 there was this running joke going around 00:05:46.04\00:05:48.38 that one of the scud missiles was going to hit 00:05:48.41\00:05:51.32 the dome of the rock and that's how God 00:05:51.35\00:05:54.24 was going to clear the temple mount. 00:05:54.27\00:05:56.68 Of course we know that that's not what happened. 00:05:56.71\00:05:58.58 Right. That didn't happened. 00:05:58.61\00:06:01.05 You know what's interesting other things about this, 00:06:01.08\00:06:06.62 Israeli government could do it back in 1967. 00:06:06.65\00:06:11.15 Moshe Dayan was there at the temple mount 00:06:11.18\00:06:15.01 with Israeli paratroopers and he consulted Israeli government 00:06:15.04\00:06:20.31 and Israeli government consulted the Rabbinate 00:06:20.34\00:06:23.93 and because they said, what are we going to do. 00:06:23.96\00:06:26.30 We kicked everybody out there, 00:06:26.33\00:06:28.04 should we blow it up and clear the place? 00:06:28.07\00:06:30.68 And Israeli government consulted the Rabbinate 00:06:30.71\00:06:33.95 and the Rabbinate said, no way you are doing that. 00:06:33.98\00:06:37.97 The Rabbis forbade this for two reasons. 00:06:38.00\00:06:41.08 Number one, first of all if you go beyond the wall 00:06:41.11\00:06:45.67 of the temple mount on the-- towards the Olive Mountain 00:06:45.70\00:06:50.10 what you see is a big, big cemetery. 00:06:50.13\00:06:52.69 Right, an Arab cemetery. Yeah. A Muslim cemetery. 00:06:52.72\00:06:55.95 So if they blow it up and start building it, 00:06:55.98\00:06:59.43 from the perspective of Levitical law 00:06:59.46\00:07:02.89 which they have to literally fulfill 00:07:02.92\00:07:05.40 they will all be impure. 00:07:05.43\00:07:07.58 Right because you can't dig back up the dead like that. 00:07:07.61\00:07:10.42 Now, I had heard, Sasha, is this true 00:07:10.45\00:07:13.09 that one of the reasons that, that cemetery was placed there 00:07:13.12\00:07:18.23 in the first place was the belief 00:07:18.26\00:07:20.43 that Messiah had to enter through those gates 00:07:20.46\00:07:22.41 that Jews believe that and that this cemetery was put there 00:07:22.44\00:07:26.31 so that that wouldn't happen. 00:07:26.34\00:07:28.67 Actually, Muslims, well, it is not a problem. 00:07:28.70\00:07:32.83 It was put specifically by Muslims. 00:07:32.86\00:07:35.05 Muslims knew that trick, they wanted the cemetery 00:07:35.08\00:07:38.48 right there to the temple mountain 00:07:38.51\00:07:40.60 specifically to prevent rebuilding. 00:07:40.63\00:07:44.32 What the Orthodox Jews, they do believe 00:07:44.35\00:07:47.13 in restoration of the temple but the Orthodox Jews, 00:07:47.16\00:07:51.81 they believe that they cannot do it on their own. 00:07:51.84\00:07:56.16 Even the people at the temple institute 00:07:56.19\00:08:00.53 who know the blueprint and things like this, you know, 00:08:00.56\00:08:04.04 there's enough brave people among the religious Zionist 00:08:04.07\00:08:08.59 in Israel who could attack this temple mount 00:08:08.62\00:08:11.62 and do whatever they want to. 00:08:11.65\00:08:14.50 It's not the lack of bravery. 00:08:14.53\00:08:16.69 It's the clear understanding from the perspective of Judaism 00:08:16.72\00:08:22.08 that the Messiah has to come first. 00:08:22.11\00:08:24.79 Messiah has to clear those dead graveyards with dead bodies, 00:08:24.82\00:08:30.95 purify the area and that would be a sign, 00:08:30.98\00:08:36.49 a command for them to move in 00:08:36.52\00:08:38.83 with building equipment and start building. 00:08:38.86\00:08:41.89 Now remember, we are speaking right now 00:08:41.92\00:08:43.58 in terms of a Jewish perspective. 00:08:43.61\00:08:45.51 Yeah, that's how Judaism believes 00:08:45.54\00:08:47.80 and Christianity doesn't-- 00:08:47.83\00:08:50.73 Christians really are not aware about this. 00:08:50.76\00:08:54.04 Right. We'll get to the Christian perspective 00:08:54.07\00:08:56.37 in just a few minutes. 00:08:56.40\00:08:58.12 Is it also true Sasha, that there are quite a few 00:08:58.15\00:09:00.95 in the orthodox community, I am talking about in Israel 00:09:00.98\00:09:04.48 that really reject the statehood of Israel saying that 00:09:04.51\00:09:09.23 it was formed by man and the state has to be formed by God? 00:09:09.26\00:09:13.15 Oh, absolutely. Some ultra-orthodox specific Jews, 00:09:13.18\00:09:16.79 they do not accept the state of Israel. 00:09:16.82\00:09:20.28 Even though they live there. Yeah. 00:09:20.31\00:09:22.58 You know they have lived there even before it was created 00:09:22.61\00:09:26.88 but they've lived there for totally different reason. 00:09:26.91\00:09:30.53 They moved in there maybe late 18 century 00:09:30.56\00:09:34.20 and when modern Zionist movement 00:09:34.23\00:09:37.08 which is by the way absolutely secular moved in, 00:09:37.11\00:09:41.49 they opposed them and they oppose them until even now. 00:09:41.52\00:09:46.72 So let's talk a little bit about the Christian perspective, okay. 00:09:46.75\00:09:53.00 Within the evangelical community this is a big, big topic. 00:09:53.03\00:09:59.49 It's based on a dispensational view. 00:09:59.52\00:10:04.92 And it's based on the idea that 00:10:04.95\00:10:09.54 God is going to at some point in time 00:10:09.57\00:10:12.43 is going to remove all the Christians, 00:10:12.46\00:10:15.04 this is the idea of the-- some would call it the secret rapture 00:10:15.07\00:10:18.25 but it's going to remove all the true believers, okay, 00:10:18.28\00:10:22.03 before the tribulation takes place 00:10:22.06\00:10:24.82 and then He's going to turn 00:10:24.85\00:10:28.16 to the Jewish people and whoever the antichrist 00:10:28.19\00:10:32.59 is going to come on to the scene at this point. 00:10:32.62\00:10:35.62 And based on wrong interpretations 00:10:35.65\00:10:38.80 I would say I believe of the Bible, 00:10:38.83\00:10:41.51 the whole idea of the three and half year pact 00:10:41.54\00:10:45.68 its gonna be made and it's during that time 00:10:45.71\00:10:49.31 that the evangelicals believe that the temple is going to be 00:10:49.34\00:10:53.46 rebuilt and that the antichrist, 00:10:53.49\00:10:56.45 whatever position he is in will allow, 00:10:56.48\00:10:58.52 will orchestrate things in such a way 00:10:58.55\00:11:01.19 that the sacrificial system would be reinstated. 00:11:01.22\00:11:07.13 And then at the end of that three and a half years 00:11:07.16\00:11:09.30 he's going to break the pact with them 00:11:09.33\00:11:12.74 and is going to defile the temple 00:11:12.77\00:11:17.97 and then these big wars take place and it's at the very end 00:11:18.00\00:11:22.57 when it looks like there's no hope left 00:11:22.60\00:11:24.57 and the world is going to come to an end 00:11:24.60\00:11:26.51 that the Jews cry out and Jesus comes and saves them. 00:11:26.54\00:11:30.77 Okay, this is that dispensational view. 00:11:30.80\00:11:33.20 But as you mentioned at the beginning of the program, 00:11:33.23\00:11:37.57 it's really predicated, one on the idea 00:11:37.60\00:11:40.92 that all of the Jews are going to be rounded up 00:11:40.95\00:11:43.94 and are going to be brought to Israel. 00:11:43.97\00:11:47.11 And some people feel, some people believe that 00:11:47.14\00:11:49.31 if the Jews are not in Israel-- 00:11:49.34\00:11:51.84 Messiah won't be back. The Messiah won't be back. 00:11:51.87\00:11:54.18 Well, I have always found that a little ludicrous 00:11:54.21\00:11:57.10 that God is dependant on what we do. 00:11:57.13\00:11:59.50 Relying on us, yeah. 00:11:59.53\00:12:00.56 That you know, the plan, 00:12:00.59\00:12:01.89 His plan and that the return of Messiah is based on it. 00:12:01.92\00:12:04.80 Sasha, what do you think about that whole thing? 00:12:04.83\00:12:06.62 Well, obviously we don't agree with that, 00:12:06.65\00:12:09.85 that line of thinking. 00:12:09.88\00:12:11.32 And we're going to talk about in just a few minutes 00:12:11.35\00:12:13.51 what the Bible has to say 00:12:13.54\00:12:14.57 and what we believe the Bible has to say. 00:12:14.60\00:12:16.22 But what are your thoughts on that, 00:12:16.25\00:12:17.65 on that Christian perspective, 00:12:17.68\00:12:19.49 evangelical Christian perspective? 00:12:19.52\00:12:22.55 You know this, this Christian perspective 00:12:22.58\00:12:26.43 is absolutely so far from the reality 00:12:26.46\00:12:32.15 and it has no biblical foundation. 00:12:32.18\00:12:36.40 So maybe we should let start talking about-- 00:12:36.43\00:12:39.52 What does the Bible actually say 00:12:39.55\00:12:42.32 when it comes to the temple being rebuilt or not. 00:12:42.35\00:12:46.85 Well, the best text from the Bible I mean we do have text 00:12:46.88\00:12:51.47 and we have to discuss this, a large prophecy, 00:12:51.50\00:12:57.08 large vision of Ezekiel but look at Matthew 24. 00:12:57.11\00:13:04.83 Matthew 24 is very specific. 00:13:04.86\00:13:08.31 They come to-- the disciple show to Jesus 00:13:08.34\00:13:12.42 the buildings of the temple and Jesus says, 00:13:12.45\00:13:18.90 there won't be stone upon stone on this-- at this place. 00:13:18.93\00:13:24.71 Everything will be destroyed. 00:13:24.74\00:13:30.11 I won't take it you know, too far. 00:13:30.14\00:13:32.48 Some people say that this, the destruction of the temple 00:13:32.51\00:13:36.15 is the punishment for the Jews but it is not any punishment. 00:13:36.18\00:13:42.39 The destruction of the temple is in fact the signification 00:13:42.42\00:13:48.20 of the end of the ritual system 00:13:48.23\00:13:53.06 that pointed out to what is happening today 00:13:53.09\00:13:57.14 in the heavenly temple and what happened on Calvary. 00:13:57.17\00:14:03.17 And it also signifies to I think, Jesus is saying that 00:14:03.20\00:14:07.18 with the complete and utter destruction of the temple 00:14:07.21\00:14:09.62 we will never, you'll never be able to go back to it. 00:14:09.65\00:14:12.66 Exactly. Jesus is very clear. 00:14:12.69\00:14:14.87 And Paul is very clear about this. 00:14:14.90\00:14:17.52 He discusses this under the umbrella of the old covenant 00:14:17.55\00:14:22.69 and he clearly says that the old covenant has to be, 00:14:22.72\00:14:29.16 you know, has to be done away. 00:14:29.19\00:14:31.00 And the heart of the old covenant 00:14:31.03\00:14:33.03 is the sanctuary, the earthly sanctuary 00:14:33.06\00:14:36.45 to open the way to the heavenly sanctuary. 00:14:36.48\00:14:40.39 So when the evangelicals who are so staunch defendants 00:14:40.42\00:14:47.35 of the new covenant talking about 00:14:47.38\00:14:49.36 the restoration of the temple, 00:14:49.39\00:14:52.21 what, is this return to the old covenant? 00:14:52.24\00:14:56.31 Are we reversing the history of salvation? 00:14:56.34\00:15:01.04 What are they missing? Everything. 00:15:01.07\00:15:04.67 Well, let's talk specifically, 00:15:04.70\00:15:06.90 I want to spend a little bit time with Ezekiel's prophecy. 00:15:06.93\00:15:11.48 Why don't you talk some about that to us? 00:15:11.51\00:15:12.96 Yeah, that's the foundation which is used. 00:15:12.99\00:15:16.31 Although I have to say and we'll deal with this. 00:15:16.34\00:15:19.44 The real foundation is the text found in 2 Thessalonians 00:15:19.47\00:15:25.01 where it says that the man of sin, 00:15:25.04\00:15:28.28 son of perdition will sit in the temple of God. 00:15:28.31\00:15:33.91 And so--or if he has to sit in the temple of God, 00:15:33.94\00:15:38.19 then we have to find that temple. 00:15:38.22\00:15:40.53 So Jews has to come back and rebuild the temple. 00:15:40.56\00:15:45.17 And so let's find where the temple-- 00:15:45.20\00:15:48.41 the prophecy Ezekiel 40-48, 00:15:48.44\00:15:51.69 that's the prophecy which is chosen 00:15:51.72\00:15:54.04 for the restoration of the temple. 00:15:54.07\00:15:56.34 And indeed you have here, Ezekiel has a vision 00:15:56.37\00:16:02.45 but where, he's shown the new temple 00:16:02.48\00:16:07.73 and what needs to be done. 00:16:07.76\00:16:09.37 He sees this heavenly being walking 00:16:09.40\00:16:12.31 with the measuring rod, measuring everything. 00:16:12.34\00:16:15.21 So it's basically a blueprint, 00:16:15.24\00:16:16.75 it's basically like Moses saw the tabernacle, 00:16:16.78\00:16:20.77 Ezekiel sees this magnanimous temple. 00:16:20.80\00:16:25.45 To be honest if you look at the Jerusalem today, 00:16:25.48\00:16:29.26 the old city and everything, to actually place this temple 00:16:29.29\00:16:33.32 you have to really destroy half of the old city, 00:16:33.35\00:16:36.66 mostly the Muslim quarter and that's the war. 00:16:36.69\00:16:40.76 And to me it always be like how can this be. 00:16:40.79\00:16:46.27 Evangelical Christianity is always emphasizing, 00:16:46.30\00:16:50.47 you know, non-combatantcy, 00:16:50.50\00:16:52.41 peacefulness and things like that 00:16:52.44\00:16:54.00 and now what they are saying is hey, 00:16:54.03\00:16:56.34 Jewish boys, go to Israel and go to war. 00:16:56.37\00:16:59.68 It's kind of nice, isn't it? 00:16:59.71\00:17:01.57 You know they are not sending their children 00:17:01.60\00:17:04.07 to fight with Muslims you know, they are precious, 00:17:04.10\00:17:07.54 they are sending our children to do this. 00:17:07.57\00:17:10.96 And what I am saying is this is not my opinion, 00:17:10.99\00:17:13.37 this is what the rabbis are saying 00:17:13.40\00:17:16.03 when they discuss this evangelical position. 00:17:16.06\00:17:18.88 This is how Jewish society receives, 00:17:18.91\00:17:22.90 such a, "prediction." 00:17:22.93\00:17:25.37 It's very offensive, you know. 00:17:25.40\00:17:27.05 How come these Christians are telling us 00:17:27.08\00:17:29.65 to go to war for their cause? 00:17:29.68\00:17:34.70 Are you passionate about that, Sasha? 00:17:34.73\00:17:36.41 Oh, yes, I am very passionate about that. 00:17:36.44\00:17:38.46 So how were they-- 00:17:38.49\00:17:40.10 if we're going back to the prophecy of Ezekiel, 00:17:40.13\00:17:42.93 where is there in that prophecy, 00:17:42.96\00:17:46.44 where they're jumping off in the wrong place. 00:17:46.47\00:17:48.79 Well, I believe that the key is to understand the last part. 00:17:48.82\00:17:54.26 You know, you got to read the entire vision. 00:17:54.29\00:17:56.61 It's huge, it's from 40 to 48. 00:17:56.64\00:18:00.05 You can't just glimpse at it and say, that's' the temple. 00:18:00.08\00:18:04.03 Since it was in tribute it should be removed 00:18:04.06\00:18:06.72 because the prophecy is to be fulfilled. 00:18:06.75\00:18:09.29 Well, first of all people don't understand 00:18:09.32\00:18:11.98 the function of the prophecy you know-- 00:18:12.01\00:18:15.17 Or of the prophets. Yeah, of the prophets. 00:18:15.20\00:18:17.85 The prophet is to change the way of the people. 00:18:17.88\00:18:21.31 You know, it's the apocalyptic books that predict the future. 00:18:21.34\00:18:26.12 Prophetic books often the prophecy is not fulfilled 00:18:26.15\00:18:30.53 you know, John is the best example. 00:18:30.56\00:18:33.70 None of it was supposed to be destroyed in the 40 days, 00:18:33.73\00:18:38.25 it wasn't. So yes, this prophecy was given, 00:18:38.28\00:18:43.17 this was a vision that was given to the people of Israel 00:18:43.20\00:18:46.44 to the Judeans which were in the Babylonian captivity 00:18:46.47\00:18:50.19 and that's what they were supposed to do. 00:18:50.22\00:18:53.62 One other things which, why this cannot be applied today 00:18:53.65\00:18:58.80 is it's when you look at starting from Chapter 43. 00:18:58.83\00:19:04.32 That's' the description and especially 00:19:04.35\00:19:06.80 when you go to 46, 47, 00:19:06.83\00:19:09.43 that's the description of the prince. 00:19:09.46\00:19:11.57 Right. Right. 00:19:11.60\00:19:12.95 Yeah. This 46:2-6. 00:19:12.98\00:19:16.69 Right. So let me read a little bit of this. 00:19:16.72\00:19:18.61 This is Chapter 46:2-8, 00:19:18.64\00:19:24.10 "The prince shall enter by the vestibule 00:19:24.13\00:19:26.52 of the gate from outside, 00:19:26.55\00:19:28.29 and shall take his stand by the post of the gate. 00:19:28.32\00:19:30.66 The priests shall offer his burnt offering 00:19:30.69\00:19:32.70 and his peace offerings, 00:19:32.73\00:19:33.93 and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate. 00:19:33.96\00:19:36.73 Then he shall go out, 00:19:36.76\00:19:38.13 but the gate shall not be shut until evening. 00:19:38.16\00:19:40.91 The people of the land shall bow down 00:19:40.94\00:19:42.89 at the entrance of the gate before the Lord 00:19:42.92\00:19:45.19 on the Sabbaths and on the new moons. 00:19:45.22\00:19:48.11 The burnt offering that the prince offers to the Lord 00:19:48.14\00:19:51.22 on the Sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish," 00:19:51.25\00:19:53.50 and it's going to go on to this whole list 00:19:53.53\00:19:55.86 of all of these offerings. 00:19:55.89\00:19:58.65 And then finally at the very end, 00:19:58.68\00:20:02.20 "When the prince enters, 00:20:02.23\00:20:03.54 he shall enter by the vestibule of the gate, 00:20:03.57\00:20:05.57 he shall go out by the same way." 00:20:05.60\00:20:07.44 Does this show also then you know, 00:20:07.47\00:20:09.84 the question is, does this passage because 00:20:09.87\00:20:13.59 it sounds like all these offerings and everything 00:20:13.62\00:20:15.76 I guess people want to take this and go see 00:20:15.79\00:20:17.69 this is the prince, is the Messiah 00:20:17.72\00:20:19.60 and look you have all these offerings 00:20:19.63\00:20:20.96 being establish after he comes. 00:20:20.99\00:20:23.23 And what kind of sense is this, 00:20:23.26\00:20:26.14 Messiah offering sacrifices? Right. 00:20:26.17\00:20:29.62 This is not right. That would be weird. 00:20:29.65\00:20:31.62 And who is that prince? 00:20:31.65\00:20:34.24 You know, it doesn't look 00:20:34.27\00:20:37.26 because in evangelical perspective 00:20:37.29\00:20:39.82 it's like the antichrist, you know. 00:20:39.85\00:20:44.18 So is this the antichrist 00:20:44.21\00:20:47.39 or this is the prime minister of Israel? 00:20:47.42\00:20:49.42 Who is that prince? 00:20:49.45\00:20:50.99 I guess the bottom-line is, 00:20:51.02\00:20:52.56 Sasha, that this whole long passage 00:20:52.59\00:20:55.55 of several chapters, is this meant to be taken literal 00:20:55.58\00:20:59.32 which is what people are trying to do? 00:20:59.35\00:21:01.80 This was literal to the time-- But to the people. 00:21:01.83\00:21:06.57 To the people, no, not for today. 00:21:06.60\00:21:09.13 This was a command which Ezekiel was to communicate 00:21:09.16\00:21:13.47 to the people of Israel upon 00:21:13.50\00:21:16.21 when they would come out of Babylonian captivity. 00:21:16.24\00:21:19.85 The problem is that not all Judeans went for-- 00:21:19.88\00:21:25.08 back home from Babylonian. 00:21:25.11\00:21:27.07 Right and we know that a lot of them 00:21:27.10\00:21:28.28 stayed behind even though many of them 00:21:28.31\00:21:29.64 came out to build. And that's the reason. 00:21:29.67\00:21:31.88 You have to read the Book of Ezra. 00:21:31.91\00:21:34.11 In the Book of Ezra they laid the foundation of the temple 00:21:34.14\00:21:38.70 and it says that the number of priests 00:21:38.73\00:21:42.51 who knew the previous temple they started crying 00:21:42.54\00:21:45.73 because that foundation was so small. 00:21:45.76\00:21:48.64 In comparison to what-- Comparison so. 00:21:48.67\00:21:50.88 In fact we have a clear description in the Book of Ezra 00:21:50.91\00:21:55.13 that this task God gave to Israel at this time 00:21:55.16\00:22:02.10 was not fulfilled because only the entire, 00:22:02.13\00:22:06.20 all the people have to come out, 00:22:06.23\00:22:08.11 otherwise there was not enough resources. 00:22:08.14\00:22:12.04 And therefore we have to-- we cannot take it 00:22:12.07\00:22:19.25 and bring it literal for today, 00:22:19.28\00:22:22.36 because as you can see it's just knowledge 00:22:22.39\00:22:25.77 just makes no sense, the restoration 00:22:25.80\00:22:28.44 of the sacrificial system after the Calvary. 00:22:28.47\00:22:32.31 Right. Right. 00:22:32.34\00:22:33.37 Well, we'll jump on that in just a minute. 00:22:33.40\00:22:36.00 I want to go back to that you've already alluded 00:22:36.03\00:22:40.16 to 2 Thessalonians, right. Yes. 00:22:40.19\00:22:42.56 And that is very commonly used 00:22:42.59\00:22:46.58 in the context of the antichrist. 00:22:46.61\00:22:48.16 Oh, yes. Okay. 00:22:48.19\00:22:49.50 As I talked about that He is going to make this deal 00:22:49.53\00:22:53.13 with the Jewish people for the three and half years 00:22:53.16\00:22:55.11 and then he's going to break it 00:22:55.14\00:22:56.28 and he's going to defile the temple 00:22:56.31\00:22:58.06 and sit in the seat and so on. 00:22:58.09\00:22:59.57 See, this is all fantasy which is not in the Bible. 00:22:59.60\00:23:02.98 So what do you think Paul is really talking about? 00:23:03.01\00:23:05.30 Well, the Paul is talking about 00:23:05.33\00:23:07.37 someone sitting at the temple of God, 00:23:07.40\00:23:10.57 no talk about the deal with the Jews, 00:23:10.60\00:23:12.63 no talk about all these defilement. 00:23:12.66\00:23:16.38 Somebody sits at the temple of God. 00:23:16.41\00:23:19.04 What is the New Testament, what is the temple of God? 00:23:19.07\00:23:21.84 Where is the temple of God in the New Testament? 00:23:21.87\00:23:24.78 It's clearly up in heaven. 00:23:24.81\00:23:27.12 Hebrews talk about this, 00:23:27.15\00:23:29.09 Revelation is talking about this. 00:23:29.12\00:23:31.16 So that antichrist affects the sanctuary in heaven. 00:23:31.19\00:23:36.60 And we don't have time to talk about this 00:23:36.63\00:23:39.13 but the Book of Daniel 7, in the Book of Revelation 00:23:39.16\00:23:42.28 Chapter 13 is very clear that this antichrist is a system 00:23:42.31\00:23:48.90 of false priesthood that exist in a church. 00:23:48.93\00:23:53.26 The priesthood that for many centuries 00:23:53.29\00:23:56.16 during the Middle Ages prevented people 00:23:56.19\00:23:59.14 to enter the real heavenly sanctuary 00:23:59.17\00:24:02.04 by creating a counterfeit sanctuary system 00:24:02.07\00:24:06.52 including even the counterfeit sacrifices. 00:24:06.55\00:24:09.47 Right. Well, in previous programs 00:24:09.50\00:24:15.81 we've talked a couple of times 00:24:15.84\00:24:17.38 now about the temple. 00:24:17.41\00:24:21.10 Where is the temple now? 00:24:21.13\00:24:23.04 And when we ask somebody where is the temple, 00:24:23.07\00:24:25.71 we typically get two answers. 00:24:25.74\00:24:27.76 Temple is in heaven, yes. 00:24:27.79\00:24:31.42 But we've seen the temple also existed in another place. 00:24:31.45\00:24:36.27 Temple exist, as Jeremiah said, 00:24:36.30\00:24:40.38 in the hearts to God's people. 00:24:40.41\00:24:42.17 So I guess the punch line is when we say, 00:24:42.20\00:24:45.80 will the temple be rebuilt? 00:24:45.83\00:24:47.70 I could probably comfortably say, 00:24:47.73\00:24:49.50 it already has. Yes. 00:24:49.53\00:24:51.89 At Pentecost, the temple of God 00:24:51.92\00:24:54.87 was rebuilt in the hearts of the true followers 00:24:54.90\00:24:58.04 that we now are the traveling temple wherever we go. 00:24:58.07\00:25:01.51 As I had said in previous shows we are the Mishcon 00:25:01.54\00:25:04.08 which is the tabernacle in the wilderness. 00:25:04.11\00:25:05.55 And that's' what God wants us to do. 00:25:05.58\00:25:07.33 He wants us to be able to move and present 00:25:07.36\00:25:09.78 His truth to people wherever we go. 00:25:09.81\00:25:13.32 Rachel, it's time for a song. 00:25:13.35\00:25:15.42 Sasha is going to tell us all about your song. 00:25:15.45\00:25:17.71 Yismach Moshe, Moses rejoice. 00:25:17.74\00:25:20.71 The song talks about how Moses received 00:25:20.74\00:25:23.28 Ten Commandments on the Mount Sinai. 00:25:23.31\00:25:26.22 Wow, Rachel. 00:27:30.85\00:27:31.88 It's a fun song, uh? That's a fun song. 00:27:31.91\00:27:33.40 Well, that's a vocal workout too. 00:27:33.43\00:27:34.75 Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful. 00:27:34.78\00:27:37.75 So when someone asked you the next time, 00:27:37.78\00:27:40.71 what do you think when will the temple be rebuilt? 00:27:40.74\00:27:43.04 You can just patch yourself and say, it already has. 00:27:43.07\00:27:46.18 If you know Jesus, it's in your heart. 00:27:46.21\00:27:49.22 So may the Lord bless you 00:27:49.25\00:27:50.63 and keep you all the days of your life. 00:27:50.66\00:27:52.44 Join us once again as we celebrate 00:27:52.47\00:27:55.15 the Hebraic roots on Back to our Roots. 00:27:55.18\00:27:58.25