Have you ever
wondered what the difference is
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between Hebraic
roots and Jewish roots?
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Or... who are the
Jewish people anyway
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and why does the
Bible speak about them?
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Today on Back To Our
Roots we'll be discussing these
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things and many
more. Stay tuned!
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Shalom! I'm so happy
you could join us today.
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This is Back To Our
Roots. I'm Alex Schlussler
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and this is my
co-host Rachel Hyman.
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Glad to have
you with us, Rachel.
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Today we're going to be
talking about Back To The Roots.
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What does that mean?
We're going to be talking about
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who are the Jewish people.
What are the Jewish roots
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versus the Hebraic
roots today. Um-hmm.
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We also have a
very, very special guest.
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I'm real excited. A
little bit later we're going
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to bring him out. He is
our resident theologian.
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He's going to really
bring some great stuff.
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You know, speaking
about Back To The Roots
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there's been so much, Rachel,
that you see within Christianity
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today this whole movement
- um-hmm - about the roots
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and this and that, you know.
And I think that there's...
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A lot of people have confusion
about the difference between
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when we say the Hebraic
roots versus the Jewish roots.
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And a lot of people
don't even know that the roots
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of Christianity is Jewish.
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Which is maybe
the craziest thing.
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But when we talk about
Hebraic roots vs. Jewish roots
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we want you as our
friends and our audience,
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those following us, to
grow to an understanding.
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When we speak Hebraic
roots we're talking about
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the culture, the
atmosphere, the way things were
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at the time that
Jesus walked the earth...
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but even going back
before that. That's right.
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And when we speak
of the Jewish roots
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we're talking about
contemporary Judaism.
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And you know, there
is a real connection
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but we don't want people to get
confused between those 2 things.
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Um-hmm. So Rachel, I know
that you have a background
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in Judaism as I do.
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What was your first exposure?
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When you became a
Christian how did you reconcile
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being Jewish? Being
Christian? Where were you?
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You know, that's
such a good question.
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It was really confusing
for me because I always
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saw Christians as blaming
us for the death of Jesus.
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So I always saw Christianity
as kind of our enemy.
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But I met so many
Christians who were very nice
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at the same time. I
was a little confused
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with the whole Santa
Claus and Easter bunny thing.
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But eventually
when I really found out
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what Bible Christianity
was all about, that helped
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clear things up
for me. Right, right.
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You know, when we try to
understand the difference
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between even
Biblical... Biblical Judaism -
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maybe we could use that
term - or Hebraic roots,
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you know, we're wanting to
somehow get back to that place
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where Jesus was when He
walked the face of the earth.
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Um-hmm. We have a
special guest with us today.
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Um-hmm. And he's a
great friend to both of us.
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I'd like to bring out
our resident theologian
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Alexander
Bolotnikov. We call him Sasha.
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Sasha, come on out.
Sasha's a very gifted man.
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He is a teacher;
he's an evangelist.
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He is completing his Ph. D.
in an area of Hebraic studies.
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I have had the opportunity
to travel with Sasha to Germany
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on a couple occasions.
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We've worked together quite
a bit in the Jewish ministry
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within the Adventist church.
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Sasha, it's
wonderful to have you with us.
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It's a pleasure
for me to be here.
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I'm so glad you
were able to join us.
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And Sasha's going to be with us
throughout all of the programs
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just to add the special
touch that he's able to bring.
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Sasha: today we're
talking about the Hebraic roots
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and in specific, the difference
between the Hebraic roots
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and the Jewish roots.
And we want to get into just
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a little bit about
who the Jews are today
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and maybe even just a
little bit of history.
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And I know that, Sasha,
you have some great things
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in the area of the
origin of the term "Jew. "
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The history of that vs. Hebrew
vs. the Israeli's or whatever.
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Why don't you give
us some of that, Sasha?
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If we go to the Bible
to the book of Genesis
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the first time the
word Hebrew appears
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in the book of
Genesis chapter 13
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and Abraham - actually
Abram - is called "the Hebrew. "
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And it is interesting
that Hebrew is not referred
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as ethnicity of Abraham.
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Because if we look at
Deuteronomy chapter 26 verse 5
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it speaks specifically that
Abraham was a wandering Aramaen.
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So his ethnicity was
Aramaic. Yeah, Aramaic.
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Right. Aramaens were the
people who lived throughout the
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Middle East through Mesopotamia,
the Iraq today, you know.
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Right, right. Remember the
rivers Tigris and Euphrates?
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But it is interesting how we
look at the history of Abraham
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and we realize his father,
Terah, left Ur of the Chaldees
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which is down below where...
down at the Persian Gulf -
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right - almost... and he
was ordered to go into the land
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of Canaan. Yes. And he went up
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to the border which
is today Syria - right -
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in the city of Haran
and he stopped there.
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And so God calls
Abraham to keep going.
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And so Abraham in order to
end up in the land of Canaan
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he had to cross
the Euphrates river.
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In Hebrew - which is
the language, right? -
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the word Hebrew itself
comes from the root of Aramean's
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to cross over. Yes. So
Abraham is called a man
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from over there.
From across the river.
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That was his
nickname. Right. And after this
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nickname, all the children
of Abraham including Ishmael,
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including all his
children from Keturah
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after Sarah died, they can
be called Hebrews you know.
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So it really... I've heard
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on several occasions
people referring to Abraham as
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the first Jew. But
that's not really correct, then,
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by what you're saying,
right? No, this is not correct.
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This is not exact.
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What we have is we
have Isaac, the Hebrew,
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the son of Abraham - right
- together with his brother
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Ishmael. And of course
Isaac has Jacob and Esau.
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And we know Esau is the
father of the Edomite nation.
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They lived down
toward the Red Sea.
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And then we have Jacob
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who after his trials and
tribulations is called Israel:
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the one who wrestled with God.
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And he has 12 sons. Right.
And that's the nation of Israel.
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And that's...
through those twelve tribes
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of course we get Judah
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which is where that
name Jew comes from.
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Yes, the name Judah comes.
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And the reason why
today there are no Hebrews
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is because basically
what happens to the history
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Israel was split into
two different countries:
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north and south.
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And the ten northern
tribes apostasized from God
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and they are taken into
captivity and they disappear
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through assimilation.
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And so the only tribe which
the book II Kings chapter 17
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talks... the only tribe which
is left is the tribe of Judah.
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Right. So let's jump
way forward in time now
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because we do want to be able
to talk about the difference
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between what we're
saying the Hebraic roots
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vs. the Jewish roots. And
let's just take a little bit
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of time and talk about
who the Jews are today.
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You know it's interesting...
all of us were raised
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within different
contexts but raised as Jews
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and then accepted Jesus
or Yeshua - His Hebrew name -
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as the Messiah and our
experiences are different.
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But now the
Jews that exist today
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I don't think a lot of
people understand that just like
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there's many different denomi-
nations within Christianity
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there are different
denominational differences
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within Judaism.
Right? Oh yeah, oh yeah.
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It can go from extreme
right like Lubanitch Hasidic
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which is the ultra orthodox
- yeah - as you know. Yeah.
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Those are the guys that most
people would think, you know,
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in New York... the orthodox
Jews. With the big black hats.
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With the hats or with
the fox-fur type of hat -
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right? - and the coats.
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Just to make clear...
They try to model actually,
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and that's what's important
for people to understand.
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That their lifestyle,
the garb of these people,
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their laws are
based on the 18th century
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law codes and writings
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and it's so... it's very
far from... And they're stuck.
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Rabbinic law
instead of Biblical law.
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It's not even Rabbinic.
It's way way post-Rabbinic.
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It's what you could
say Medival interpretation
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of Rabbinic law. Interesting.
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So we have the
orthodox and many sections
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within orthodox Judaism.
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Yeah, the orthodox
Judaism I would say is the one
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is the form of Judaism
that actually sprung out of
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what is known in
the New Testament as the
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Pharisaic teaching.
Right. That's the traditional,
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conventional,
Pharisaic teaching that evolved
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through the ages. We want
people also to understand that
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throughout these programs
when we talk about Pharisees
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we're not talking
in a negative sense.
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Right? Right. The Pharisees were
a group of the ultra orthodox
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as they are today within
the Jewish faith as a whole.
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Now also not only do we
have the orthodox but there is
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conservative - which
is one step removed -
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which is what my background was.
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My family was
conservative Judaism.
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Yeah. The
conservative and actually reform
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is a late development
as Judaism - basically the
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traditional orthodox
Judaism - split in the middle
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left and right.
The left went basically
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saying: "OK, we want to inte-
grate into current society. "
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Because for many generations
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among the Christian count...
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especially in the Christian
countries, Medival times...
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Jews were forced to live in
special areas called ghettos.
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And basically
reformed and conservative
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they say: "OK, let us get
out of this situation. Let us
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live normal lives. " It
happened with the development
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of democracy in Europe
beginning of the 19th century.
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While the Hasidic...
they went the other way
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and they said: "Let's preserve
the values which we developed
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during this Medival life
separate from the rest of the
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world. " So which category today
would you say most Jews are in?
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The majority of the
Jews today are secular
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and in America 60% of
American Jews relate themselves
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as either
reformed or conservative
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or other names that exist
for liberal progressive Judaism.
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Now that brings to a
really interesting thing
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is that unlike arguably
maybe any other religion
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Judaism is not just a religion.
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Judaism - exactly -
is an ethnicity as well.
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Now Sasha mentioned
this term "secular Jews. "
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And what we're talking about
here is Jews that see themselves
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ethnically as a Jewish person.
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If you went up and
asked them what they were,
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they would say: "I'm Jewish. "
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Yet they're not practicing
any of the religious practices.
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They might not
even believe in God!
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Ah, and that's a
very typical thing.
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That's how I grew
up. My grandparents
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were raised orthodox
but then became Communist.
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And so my parents were
raised Communist, atheist,
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and we even didn't
know of our religion.
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I didn't know
anything about my religion.
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My father even didn't know
until the last years of his life
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who Abraham was
because we were so ignorant.
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But as all Jews in
Europe, we were very well aware
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that we are not
Russian, not Ukrainian,
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but Jews... because that's who
we ethnically were considered.
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Hmm. Right. Interesting.
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And I know that in my upbringing
I had a similar thing.
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Now our family did practice
what we call the high holidays.
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Right. That's like
Passover and Yom Kippur.
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And we do have a very special
program that we'll be discussing
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those particular things, so I'm
really looking forward to that.
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That'll give you a
deeper reason to hang with us
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'cause that will be
coming. The Jews in America
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have become a real melting pot
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of all of the
different forms of Judaism.
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You know, I don't know
how many people know this
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but there's a total of
about 13 million Jews worldwide.
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Yeah. Now when you think
about the total population
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of the world and
close to half of that
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is in Israel and the
other half is in North America
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and we have this little
small percentage that's mixed
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around the rest
of the world. Um-hmm.
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You know, where I live down
in south Florida vs. New York
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those are probably the
two largest population centers
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of Jews in North America.
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Yeah, we have to mention
the Torah. Over 5 million Jews
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in America - right - and
these are only those who are
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registered with
Jewish organizations.
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And there are mixed
families that are like my family
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which is mixed, and
we are not registered.
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So we would have to
say an estimate maybe
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around 7 or 8 millions
Jews in the US and Canada.
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Right, right. So let's
shift gears just a little bit.
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And I want to get back to
talking about the difference
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when we use the terms Hebraic
roots vs. the Jewish roots.
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It's going to be important for
our friends, for those following
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this program, to understand
that because we are going to be
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focusing so much on
the Hebraic roots. Um-hmm.
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So Sasha, when I say
to you something like
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"No, we're talking about
the Hebraic roots vs. the Jewish
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roots... " Or in fact,
let me go to Rachel first.
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From her perspective, how do
you receive something like that?
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If I say: "No, this is Hebraic
roots vs. Jewish roots. "
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What would you think? The
first thing that comes to my
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mind would be Biblical
vs. traditional possibly?
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Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
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Well and I think the
other thing - I mean, for me -
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is when we talk Hebraic roots
my mind goes back maybe even
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to the first century -
ummm - at least in the context
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that I see it. Ummm. And when
I say first century I'm talking
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about the time when Jesus
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was walking on
the face of the earth.
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What was the
Jewish religion like?
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And it's so very different now,
right Sasha? from what it was.
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Well if we talk about Hebraic
roots, first of all we have to
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really come to the existence
of two contrasting mentalities
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in that time. Greek mentality
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which comes from Greek
philosophers - you know, Plato,
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Aristotle and others - and
the Semetic-Hebrew mentality.
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And these two mentalities
they look upon things
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totally different. Right,
right. So it's kind of like
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from a Greek perspective
you have to be able to analyze
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and break everything
down, right? Oh yeah.
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It has to be... It
has to add up: 1, 2, 3, 4
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and they all have to add, right?
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Well I usually give an example:
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"How do you
portray the bicycle? "
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And people will say to
me: "Oh, the bicycle has
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a handlebar and a
frame and two wheels. "
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And I say:
"This is typical Greek
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because you start with
the components. " Right.
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Hebrew starts
with actions. Right.
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And in Hebrew mentality a
bicycle is a nice machine that
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allows you to speed
up your motion. Right.
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And so if you look
at the picture of God -
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we'll be talking about
this in our next shows...
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But in the picture of God
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we don't have actually a
pictographic representation
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of God but we have a
great description of God -
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merciful, almighty, powerful -
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you know, describes the
character, the actions of God.
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Right. And that's the Hebrew...
That's what the Hebraic...
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that's the origin of Hebraic.
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So when we're talking especially
about the Hebraic roots now
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we don't want people to
get confused that "Oh, this
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is just talking
about Jewish stuff. "
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Right. Because the truth of
it is is that when we go back
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to that first-century
period when we look at the time
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when Jesus or Yeshua
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which is... I use the
name Yeshua quite a bit.
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Someone asked me:
"Why do you use Yeshua? "
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I said: "Well, because that's
what His mama called Him. "
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So - back to the roots
- if she called Him Yeshua
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we can call Him
Yeshua. That's right.
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But Jesus, Yeshua...
He's our Messiah. Same thing.
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Doesn't matter. But in
that time period, when we...
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when we strive to
really understand who He is
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you know this is very
much like when you get married
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in the beginning you know
your husband or your wife,
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you know, this much.
You know enough to say
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"Yeah, I'm going to make a
commitment to this person. "
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But the truth is, should you
be married - God willing - for
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20, 30, 40, 50 years
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you spend a lifetime
of getting to know them
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and not really what
history has portrayed them to be
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but really who they are,
who they were. What made them
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the person that they are. Hmmm.
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So for me, understanding
the Hebraic roots is very much
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like that. You know, we...
Someone asked me the question
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"Can a person come to a
saving knowledge of Messiah
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without really delving
into the Hebraic roots? "
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Of course. Right. Of
course... that's the answer.
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But it's kind of like
that analogy of the marriage.
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You know, that yes, you can
come to know Jesus or Yeshua
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and He can be revealed to you.
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But when we
desire to dig deeper,
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when we desire to know
the fullness of who He is,
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you have a deeper relationship.
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That's where we want to
really strive to understand
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what we're calling the
Hebraic roots of the faith.
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We want to take a
look at the cultural aspect
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of that first-century
period. We want to know
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about how Yeshua
saw the world around Him
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but remembering that
He saw the world through
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Hebraic or Jewish eyes. The
biggest problem... That's right.
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The biggest problem in
Christianity is when...
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because historically there
was a hatred toward the Jews
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Christianity at the
end of the second century
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went strongly against
its Hebraic roots - um-hmm -
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and it was replaced
with Greek philosophy
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which was very easy to accept
based on the New Testament
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Greek. And so many terms
and many statements in the
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New Testament were viewed
through the eyes of the Greek
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philosophical
thinking ended up distorting
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the image of
Jesus... who He really is.
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Right, yeah.
Wow! So as we move on
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from program to program
we're going to be delving into
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some really important aspects
like we said at the intro.
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We're going to be looking at
things like is the New Testament
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a Christian book?
Is it a Jewish book?
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And are the Jewish
festivals really Jewish?
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That's... that's a
really good one. And I know that
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we're going to have a lot of
interest when we hit that one.
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And talking about Jesus
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who is He? Not just what
history has made Him out to be
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but who Jesus is in the context.
What was His family like?
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Where did He grow
up? What was His life?
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And you know,
here's one of the things:
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that prior to coming
to know Him - um-hmm -
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it may be crazy for
some people to hear this -
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but I didn't even
know that Jesus was a Jew.
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Hmmm. And imagine my shock -
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wow! - as a Jew to find
out that who I thought was
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the Christian's God
was the Jewish Messiah.
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Hmmm. So I am so excited
about the topics that we have
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in front of us, and I
hope that you're as excited.
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You know, there's a
whole "nother" aspect
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to this program as well.
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Both Rachel and I have
gotten bitten by the music bug
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at different times in our life,
and we're going to be sharing
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our musical experiences.
And we're going to be sharing
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with you some
really unique music.
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So today I get the opportunity
of bringing the first song.
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And I think this is Sim Shalom.
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You wrote it, didn't
you? Yeah, yeah, I did.
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So I'm going to slide
over here and get ready.
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All right. Go for it!
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And while Alex is setting
up, he didn't mention it but he
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is also a pastor of a
large church in south Florida.
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And Sasha knows this
song really, really well.
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And so I think I'll let
you tell us a little bit about
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this song. This is a
liturgical poem. A prayer
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which means
establish peace. Sim Shalom.
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Establish peace,
goodness, and mercy
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upon everyone and
upon all Your people.
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Nice. So it's a prayer song.
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Amen. Well Rachel, it's
been a great first show.
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It has! We want to
close with a blessing.
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May the Lord bless
you. May He keep you.
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May the Lord make His
face to shine upon you
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and be gracious to you.
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May the Lord lift
His countenance upon you
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and bring you His peace. Amen.
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We hope to see you again.
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Join us once again on
Back To Our Roots. Amen.
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