Hello, and welcome to
Behold the Lamb Presents.
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I'm Chris Shelton your host
and I just want to thank you
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for taking this time to
study God's word with us today.
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Today's message is actually
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the second in a
three part series
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that we have simply
entitled, Women's Ordination.
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Recently I had the pleasure
speaking with a listener
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from Georgia who is
very concerned about the--
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the debates that are
currently going on in our church
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dealing with this very issue.
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One thing that this
listener made very clear to me
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is that there has
always been hierarchy
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in God's
kingdom above as well as
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how He has established
his kingdom here below.
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We can read about
the position of cherubim
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and seraphim and the
archangel in scripture
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and which position Lucifer
himself held before his fall.
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And how that there are
to be elders and deacons,
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teachers and so on
in our churches today
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but in no way does
once hierarchical position
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change our
equality of love with God.
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God is not a respecter
of persons the Bible says
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and I believe that
this is a key element
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to remember during
this time of study.
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Many women over the
ages have been called of God
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to be used in His service.
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Many have been
instruments in winning souls
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for the kingdom of
heaven and many women
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have lost their very
life for standing firm
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in the truth of God's words.
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I want you to listen to
this quote about ministry,
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it's found in
Manuscript Releases 18, page 380
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and it was
written by Ellen white.
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"Sunday March 15, 1891,
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I attended the
ministers' meeting.
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The blessing of
the Lord came upon me,
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and I spoke with
the demonstration
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of the Holy Spirit
of God and with power.
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There are those who are
working out a great circle.
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The Lord has given Christ
to the world for ministry.
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Merely to preach the
Word is not ministry.
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The Lord desires
His ministering servants
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to occupy a place worthy
of the highest consideration.
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In the mind of God, the
ministry of men and women
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existed before
the world was created.
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He determined that His ministers
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should have a
perfect exemplification
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of Himself and His purposes.
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No human career
could do this work
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for God gave Christ in
humanity to work out His ideal
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of what humanity may
become through entire obedience
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to His will and His way.
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God's character was
revealed in the life of His Son.
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Christ not only held a
theory of genuine ministry,
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but in His humanity He
wrought out an illustration
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of the ministry
that God approves.
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Perfection has marked out
every feature of true ministry.
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Christ, the Son
of the living God,
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did not live unto
Himself, but unto God."
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Friends, let us
therefore both men and women
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strive to pattern our
calling after Christ's example.
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So stay tuned with us
today as Pastor Kenny Shelton
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brings us part two
of Women's Ordination.
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But first we are so
blessed to listen to a song
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that is entitled "Oh
How He Loves You And Me"
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with Lyndon Carriger
from the 3ABN worship centre.
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Oh, how He loves you and me
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Oh, how He loves you and me
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He gave His life
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What more could He give
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Oh, how He loves you
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Oh, how He loves me
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Oh, how He loves you and me
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Jesus to Calvary did go
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His love for mankind to show
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What He did there
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brought hope from despair
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Oh, how He loves you
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Oh, how He loves me
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Oh, how He loves you and me
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Oh, how He loves you and me
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Oh, how He loves you and me
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He gave His life
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what more could He give
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Oh, how He loves you
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Oh, how He loves me
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Oh, how He loves you
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Oh, how He loves me
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Oh, how He loves you and me
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Thanks for joining us
again here Behold the Lamb,
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most import subject for today.
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We're talking
about Women's Ordination.
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Quite a stir in the
advent moment whether we should,
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whether we
shouldn't, is it right,
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does it really
make a difference?
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Sure it makes a different.
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Everything that we do
in the cause of Christ
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makes a difference.
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And where we are going
to get our information?
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Certainly from the Word of God.
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It's not gonna
be I think, I feel
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or so and so has been training
and educated for this that--
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what does God's word have to say
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that's what we
are gonna get into.
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This is part two,
if you miss part one
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you want to make
sure you get that.
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Remember part
one, two and three,
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they build on each other
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and you need
them to put together.
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But before that we get
into our subject let's --
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let's pray together
shall we and I again appreciate
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those of you who can
kneel and pray with me
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where you can.
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Let's kneel right now
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and asks God's
blessing, shall we?
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Merciful Father in heaven,
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we thank You for
the privilege of prayer.
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Now we ask for Your Holy Spirit
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to take possession of
our hearts, our minds,
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our soul, forgive me my sins
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and mistakes anything
that would separate me
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from hearing
Your voice right now.
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Open the mind, ears,
the hearts of Your people
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everywhere may
we see Jesus today.
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May we see this beautiful truth
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that You have for us
regardless of our possession
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that we may have had before
let's look at God's words,
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let's weigh the evidence
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and let's get have
one mind, mind of Christ.
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We thank You for hearing
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and answering
prayer in Jesus name, amen.
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Again we are very
thankful that you join us,
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you know from program to program
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and many of you are sitting down
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taking lot of
notes and your calling us
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and emailing and
you're ordering these DVD's
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and you know whatever,
so you could study at home.
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Many people are taking these
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and they are
coping down word for word
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how interesting that is,
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so they can get the
truth of God's word.
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Let's just start with
this, this is part two
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and something that we
talked about on our first part,
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we would do rather quickly here.
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We're talking about remember,
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above all that's going on
we're talking about true unity
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and true harmony in
the cause of Christ.
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In the church comes about
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because we
agree on and in truth.
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Did you get that?
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Unity, unity, unity we
talk about and we need it
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but it only comes about
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by as we agree
on and in the truth.
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Now, let's say this, the
issue of women's ordination
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raises a lot of questions
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and I think we need
to answer those questions
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and they need to be what?
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Not I feel like I think
should be based upon God's word.
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This we know-- wake up,
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this we know for sure
that-- this is the foundation
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we're gonna have to build on
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this we know, there
was never any record.
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There is no record
at all of any women
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being ordination as elder
or pastor in the New Testament.
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No record of that.
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Two, the Old Testament women
were not ordained as priest.
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Now, number three,
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Jesus did not appoint a
single woman to be an apostle.
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Even though they were present
and played important role.
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Number four, when one
replacement was necessary
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you'll remember the
story in Apostle Acts Chapter 1
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we remember that
with women present
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Jesus still what,
a male was chosen.
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Number five, Paul
his letters to Timothy
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and to Titus
contains information
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that only men
may hold the offers
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of an elder or a pastor.
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Now keep that in mind,
I'm gonna read this quickly
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we will talk more
about it little bit later on.
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1 Timothy 2:12,
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have your Bible
make sure you turn there.
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Paul said this oh, I have heard
so many excuses and so many oh,
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this is what he
mean, this is what.
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Listen Paul said
exactly what he meant.
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This is interesting now,
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you think
that's little difficult
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we will explain
this little bit later on.
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But boy, this
is pretty difficult
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for some people to swallow.
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Notice what-- this
is how it reads here
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1 Timothy 2:12
Paul speaking said,
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"But I suffer not a
woman to teach, nor to" what?
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"Have authority over the
man, but to be in silence."
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Then he gives two arguments why,
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and the good argument
is number one he says,
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then he gives
these two number one
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"Adam was first
formed and then Eve."
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And in verse 14, his
second point he says,
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"And Adam was not deceived,
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but the woman being deceived
was in the transgression."
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Now, remember
that's pretty powerful
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its gonna turn some people off
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to begin with not
trying to do that at all
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but the Apostle Paul said this,
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he said these words
now must be explained
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and in the context of
what he is talking about.
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I think we also
consider this point here
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this is from the
Acts of Apostle page 91
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talking about the organization
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of "The church at Jerusalem
was to serve as a model".
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Now what was to
serve as a model?
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The church in Jerusalem.
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A model means
simply a blueprint,
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an example it means a copy
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"for the
organization of all churches
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in every place where messengers
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of truth should win
converts to the gospel."
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That did-- that
not just mean just in
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but it means what?
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It means, even
today it's an example.
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Now, listen we understand
and I think most of us
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as we study the issue
we understand the church.
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Now, I remember some
will jump up and scream
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before I finish but
let me finish with this.
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The church as a legislative body
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cannot make doctrines
and teachings and policy.
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You said, oh, they do? Yes.
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Listen, but hit head
on with the teachings
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that Christ has already
spoken off in scripture. Why?
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Because He doesn't
change truth doesn't change.
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So, we can't make any--
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we can't get a group
of people together and say
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well I know what scripture says
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but in our church we
decided move together
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and we are gonna do it this way.
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No, you can't do it that way.
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We can't ever do that
Jesus appointed the 12.
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You remember the 12
in Matthew Chapter 10.
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It says He sent them
out and he ordained them.
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He commissioned them,
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He empowered them the
Bible says, interesting.
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They were giving the teachings,
notice when they went out
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they were giving the
teachings of the Old Testament.
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Wow, not certainly
combined with new but --
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notice they were teachings
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the Old Testament
to be carried out.
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They were studying and
preaching and teaching,
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they were carried out in
the New Testament church.
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They were
written by the apostles
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and it certainly carried
on a little bit later on.
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Interesting, he gave the elders
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and the pastors of the
flock spiritual authority.
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Who did he give
spiritual authority to?
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The elders and the
pastors of the flock.
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He gave them the authority,
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grounded and
rooted in Jesus Christ.
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Please take note
we'll talk about it more
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as time permits
here, but remember
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the New Testament
church the apostles what?
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Reach back into
the Old Testament
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of how it was set up then
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and brought that
from no Old Testament
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into the New
Testament, interesting.
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Now, do you remember
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when Moses was
counseled by Jethro,
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do you remember
when he needed some help
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a plan to distribute
some of his responsibilities.
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Sure, you do, you read
that in Exodus Chapter 18
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and in Exodus Chapter 18
Moses notices what he did.
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"Moses chose able
bodied men out of Israel
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and made them
heads over the people."
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Notice that word he
made heads over people.
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Moses made them leaders,
leaders or heads in charge.
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They were put in
positions of headship.
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Now, you say boy,
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there could be more on
that too as we go along.
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Then later Moses chose
70, remember, 70 elders
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to show you know,
that responsibility.
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Acts of the Apostles page
94 gives us comment notice.
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"Moses was careful to select,
as his helpers," notice this,
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"men possessing dignity,
sound judgment, and experience.
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And In his
charge to these elders
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at the time of their ordination,
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he outlined some
of the qualifications
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that fit a man to be a
wise ruler in the church."
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These will fit if
you don't just start
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crossing them
all of one at a time.
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We weigh them out.
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Now, notice in Numbers 11:16, 17
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it says "And the
Lord said unto Moses,"
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here is what the Lord said.
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Moses look I want
you to "gather me"
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you remember this?
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"Seventy men of
the elders of Israel,"
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now, notice "whom thou knowest
to be the elders of the people"
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and God said in verse 17
00:16:03.58\00:16:05.63
"and I will take the
spirit" listen to this
00:16:05.66\00:16:08.47
"which is upon thee
and I will put it in them."
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Oh, what a
spirit think about that.
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I will take the
spirit I have given you Moses
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and I'm going to put it
on these, these leaders.
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God would ordain
these men with His spirit.
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And remember God
the ordination of God
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is more important than
any man can put on you.
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Are you still with me?
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Notice Acts of
the Apostles page 95,
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now don't miss this,
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I know we do some reading
here but don't miss this.
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"The same principle"
is talking about here
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of "principles of
piety" or the spirit
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"and justice that
were to guide the rulers
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among God's people in the
time of Moses and of David,
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were also to be followed
by those given the oversight
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of the newly
organized church of God
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in the gospel dispensation."
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Did somebody get that?
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No, you find it,
please don't find it.
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The same rules you're talking
about the principles of piety
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and justice of the
sprit leading and guiding
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you say well,
that's not quite clear
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it gonna get
little clear as I read on.
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Now, notice right
here, they are using what,
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the same principles
of the Old Testament
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are to be used in
the gospel dispensation.
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"In the work of setting things
in order in all the churches,"
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and notice "and
ordaining suitable men
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to act as
officers, the apostles held
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to the high standards
of leadership outlined
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in the Old Testament Scripture."
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The apostles in
the New Testament
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held high authority of what?
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That which was
ordained in the Old Testament
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and they put it, they said okay,
00:17:45.56\00:17:46.96
we are gonna bring that over
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well, God said that
in the Old Testament
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into the New Testament.
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Now, of course
if you want to read
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and you can do
that in Titus 1:7-9
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those two verses there
are very, very important here,
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it's a important point.
00:17:58.97\00:18:00.24
And it will give
you a little background
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quickly verse 5 and
6 they were to it says,
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they were to ordain
elders in every city.
00:18:04.66\00:18:07.76
Now, remember we are
talking about ordination,
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we are talking about elders.
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There are some
people in the church today
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who doesn't make any difference.
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You got women elders
and some are ordained,
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some of them are not.
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Is it biblical or its not?
It's either okay or its not.
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And if it's okay
with God its okay with me.
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If it's not okay
with God and God's word
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then it's not okay with me.
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And somebody needs to
what, blow a little horn, okay,
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Titus 1:7-9 these two
verses remember ordaining
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elders in every
city and there were,
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notice this in verse 6 It says,
00:18:35.29\00:18:37.89
"they were to ordain
the husband of one wife."
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Hello, they were to
ordain the husband of one wife
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so you must be a husband.
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Interesting and if you
read verses 7 through 9
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and I wish we had time to
do that I have in my Bible
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but time is getting
by quickly right here.
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You will see the
qualification of an elder
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or you take a
bishop or in a pastor.
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You see the qualification,
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remember if you
don't fit the qualification
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you cannot be one.
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Man might say you can be
but God-- God says you can't.
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Is that makes sense?
00:19:14.48\00:19:16.54
So the
qualification are given here
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you can read
those qualification.
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And it simply says this what?
00:19:20.31\00:19:21.92
They must be men,
they must be a husband.
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Oh, I could say an awful lot
00:19:26.71\00:19:27.84
and I'm just biting
my tongue right now,
00:19:27.87\00:19:29.85
I'm telling right now
I'm fighting it brother,
00:19:29.88\00:19:31.25
I'm just
fighting sister, on this,
00:19:31.28\00:19:32.88
right now, because -- I
know some people are saying
00:19:32.91\00:19:34.99
oh, yeah, here
is the qualification
00:19:35.02\00:19:37.47
that being an
elder they must be a man.
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They must be the husband.
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Now, some of you say, yeah,
00:19:42.57\00:19:43.60
but you know some of
those words they will say,
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"Paul here in these
verses uses the term "anar"
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and when he does this anar
00:19:49.26\00:19:50.62
which is a term that someone
capable of being a husband
00:19:50.65\00:19:56.19
that rules a
lot of you out then.
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That means that it's a male
person distinct from a woman.
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See the Bible is pretty
if we want look at remember
00:20:05.91\00:20:08.66
man and women may
both be set apart,
00:20:08.69\00:20:11.99
they can lay on hands and pray
00:20:12.02\00:20:13.34
and be involved
in the work of Christ
00:20:13.37\00:20:15.54
to perform certain functions.
00:20:15.57\00:20:18.32
This is important now,
I'm going to read this quote
00:20:18.35\00:20:20.98
from the Adventist
Review, July 9th, 1895.
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This has been some people
have used this to say you may,
00:20:25.14\00:20:29.07
we may ordain women
as elders and pastors.
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Oh, my they brutalized it.
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I'm gonna explain
why, I read it first.
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It says, "Women who
are willing to consecrate"
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notice this consecrated.
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Consecrate some of their time
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"Women who want to
consecrate some of their time
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to the service of the God
00:20:48.77\00:20:51.22
should be
appointed to visit the sick,
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look after the young,
00:20:55.15\00:20:57.38
and minister to the
necessities of the poor."
00:20:57.41\00:21:01.33
Now, notice this,
00:21:01.36\00:21:02.94
and "In some cases
they will need to counsel
00:21:02.97\00:21:07.69
with the church
officers and the minister."
00:21:07.72\00:21:11.79
Interesting its
talking about a ministry here
00:21:11.82\00:21:14.48
so there is three
points we need to look at.
00:21:14.51\00:21:16.15
So we say, well, well
there can be a ministry.
00:21:16.18\00:21:18.27
Well, yes, we are
talking about ordination
00:21:18.30\00:21:20.66
you are not
ministering or having
00:21:20.69\00:21:22.41
you know some work in the church
00:21:22.44\00:21:24.74
which is a ministry.
00:21:24.77\00:21:25.80
But notice this here,
00:21:25.83\00:21:27.20
we are talking about a
part time position here
00:21:27.23\00:21:30.80
not the full time of an
elder or a pastor of the church
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so that would rule that out.
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It's not the work of the--
they are talking about the work
00:21:36.37\00:21:39.24
necessarily of the
minister or the church officer.
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Number three, the
work that they were talking
00:21:42.93\00:21:45.22
about the women
here it was different
00:21:45.25\00:21:46.93
than what they
were ordinarily doing.
00:21:46.96\00:21:49.24
So its like we come to
church we have different job
00:21:49.27\00:21:51.26
but we are
involved in may be ministry
00:21:51.29\00:21:52.83
doing something
after you know church
00:21:52.86\00:21:54.74
or what ever it might be.
00:21:54.77\00:21:56.39
Five testimonies
of Titus 6:17 says,
00:21:56.42\00:21:59.83
now this is in
reference to this passage
00:21:59.86\00:22:02.03
that I'm going to read here
00:22:02.06\00:22:03.28
because Paul said this in Titus.
00:22:03.31\00:22:06.00
He said do this, now, Titus 1:5
00:22:06.03\00:22:08.00
"Set in order of the
things that are wanting."
00:22:08.03\00:22:10.94
See there are
something's wanting here
00:22:10.97\00:22:12.10
we need to get
to the bottom of it.
00:22:12.13\00:22:14.06
When people say
it doesn't matter
00:22:14.09\00:22:15.23
it does matter
things that are wanting.
00:22:15.26\00:22:17.07
It says, "Ordain
elders in every city,
00:22:17.10\00:22:20.50
as I appointed thee."
00:22:20.53\00:22:22.34
Notice this "If
any be blameless,
00:22:22.37\00:22:25.76
the husband of one
wife, having faithful children
00:22:25.79\00:22:31.12
not accused of riot or unruly.
00:22:31.15\00:22:34.00
For a bishop must be blameless,
as the steward of God."
00:22:34.03\00:22:39.17
What does the Bible say?
00:22:39.20\00:22:40.74
Bible says elders,
elders in the church
00:22:40.77\00:22:43.50
they must be the
husband of a wife,
00:22:43.53\00:22:45.43
having wife,
having faithful children.
00:22:45.46\00:22:49.02
So you say okay, look
and reading that passage
00:22:49.05\00:22:52.23
going to the spirit of prophecy
notice what it says there
00:22:52.26\00:22:54.59
5, page 617 in this reference.
00:22:54.62\00:22:57.38
"It would be well
for all our ministers
00:22:57.41\00:22:59.81
to give heed to these
words and not to hurry men
00:22:59.84\00:23:03.48
into office
without due consideration
00:23:03.51\00:23:06.72
and much prayer
that God would designate
00:23:06.75\00:23:10.39
by His Spirit
whom He will accept."
00:23:10.42\00:23:14.06
So it says here
He will accept some
00:23:14.09\00:23:15.94
and some He will not accept.
00:23:15.97\00:23:17.89
Men may put people in positions,
00:23:17.92\00:23:19.59
wait God wouldn't do
that but men try to do that.
00:23:19.62\00:23:23.24
Remember who He will accept
00:23:23.27\00:23:26.22
He'll only
accept those who fulfill
00:23:26.25\00:23:29.95
the guidelines
that He has set up.
00:23:29.98\00:23:32.21
Oh, I want that
to make sense to you.
00:23:32.24\00:23:34.62
God will only accept
those who meet the guidelines
00:23:34.65\00:23:39.34
that He has set up.
00:23:39.37\00:23:41.15
That makes sense to me.
00:23:41.18\00:23:43.32
We won't set our own guidelines,
00:23:43.35\00:23:45.27
God didn't qualify you.
00:23:45.30\00:23:46.37
He didn't say you could do that
00:23:46.40\00:23:48.76
but we have to meet
those qualifications there.
00:23:48.79\00:23:52.59
So, let's say well,
if we don't and you know
00:23:52.62\00:23:54.53
follow the inspirited word
00:23:54.56\00:23:56.63
He is not going to
accept that individual really.
00:23:56.66\00:24:01.80
He can't accept them
00:24:01.83\00:24:02.90
if they don't fit
the qualifications.
00:24:02.93\00:24:05.59
Now, concerning elders
00:24:05.62\00:24:07.12
we are talking
about started in verse 17
00:24:07.15\00:24:09.42
if we do 1 Timothy 5
00:24:09.45\00:24:11.36
and I'm gonna
read verse 22 quickly
00:24:11.39\00:24:13.27
but if you start
with verse 17 and go on
00:24:13.30\00:24:15.27
it gives you a
little bit of feel
00:24:15.30\00:24:17.03
for what we are
talking about here.
00:24:17.06\00:24:18.47
It says notice its
talking about ordination
00:24:18.50\00:24:21.12
of elders and pastors.
00:24:21.15\00:24:22.93
It says, "Lay hands
suddenly on no man."
00:24:22.96\00:24:27.46
People only that say, well,
00:24:27.49\00:24:28.52
that could be mankind in general
00:24:28.55\00:24:30.77
and then you
have-- see just praise God
00:24:30.80\00:24:33.22
for the spirit of
prophecy because you can go
00:24:33.25\00:24:35.04
because that can
a debate for some.
00:24:35.07\00:24:37.07
If you look at the
whole context of it
00:24:37.10\00:24:38.78
there will be now but
most people won't do that
00:24:38.81\00:24:40.45
because they are trying to make
something fit that doesn't fit.
00:24:40.48\00:24:43.52
You ever try to
put a size ten foot
00:24:43.55\00:24:46.85
into about a seven size shoe?
00:24:46.88\00:24:49.95
You know what I'm talking
about some people would try it
00:24:49.98\00:24:52.05
and they'll try
to get away with it.
00:24:52.08\00:24:53.76
But now concerning this verse
00:24:53.79\00:24:55.16
notices what 5,
T 617 and 618 says.
00:24:55.19\00:24:59.48
Did somebody hear me?
00:24:59.51\00:25:01.11
This is refereeing specifically
00:25:01.14\00:25:02.56
to what I just
read in the Bible.
00:25:02.59\00:25:04.98
Here is what it said,
this goes powerful now.
00:25:05.01\00:25:08.06
It speaks to us today,
00:25:08.09\00:25:10.55
it says, if
some of our churches,
00:25:10.58\00:25:13.15
notice this "In
some of our churches,
00:25:13.18\00:25:15.01
the work of
organizing and of ordaining
00:25:15.04\00:25:17.45
elders has been premature."
00:25:17.48\00:25:20.90
Lot of times there
is no one else we say
00:25:20.93\00:25:22.19
hey, how about
you doing it male,
00:25:22.22\00:25:24.08
qualification the
Bible said though.
00:25:24.11\00:25:27.26
And
consequently grievous trouble
00:25:27.29\00:25:29.73
has been
brought upon the church.
00:25:29.76\00:25:31.57
See if we don't
follow God's councils
00:25:31.60\00:25:33.85
eventually there is
going to be grievous problems
00:25:33.88\00:25:36.05
are going to be at your door.
00:25:36.08\00:25:37.69
It may take a
while but I guarantee you
00:25:37.72\00:25:39.64
if we don't
follow the council of God
00:25:39.67\00:25:42.39
grievous problems going
to not only in the church
00:25:42.42\00:25:44.32
but in our own personal home.
00:25:44.35\00:25:46.99
There is Bible rules
Bible rules are disregarded
00:25:47.02\00:25:52.72
so if you disregard
Him grievous trouble
00:25:52.75\00:25:54.39
is going to broad in.
00:25:54.42\00:25:55.54
Notice this reading on,
00:25:55.57\00:25:56.60
"There should
not be so great haste
00:25:56.63\00:25:58.75
in electing
leaders as to ordain men
00:25:58.78\00:26:03.27
who are in no way
fitted for the responsible work
00:26:03.30\00:26:06.90
men need to be converted."
00:26:06.93\00:26:09.09
A man how I -- I
say amen to that.
00:26:09.12\00:26:11.87
Men need to be converted.
00:26:11.90\00:26:14.12
It will be
better not to have them
00:26:14.15\00:26:15.39
if they are not what
fulfill the qualifications
00:26:15.42\00:26:18.04
of God has set up in His word.
00:26:18.07\00:26:20.53
Rather and say we
have to have an elder
00:26:20.56\00:26:22.78
or we have to have a deacon,
00:26:22.81\00:26:23.98
we have to have
this office fill,
00:26:24.01\00:26:25.50
that may be so but you
don't put them in there
00:26:25.53\00:26:27.90
if they don't fit
the qualifications
00:26:27.93\00:26:29.55
because God will
not say amen to that.
00:26:29.58\00:26:32.89
I hope you
follow what I'm saying.
00:26:32.92\00:26:34.80
Again in 5
Testimonies 618, 618 say this.
00:26:34.83\00:26:38.36
"The leaders of churches
00:26:38.39\00:26:39.66
in every place
should be earnest,"
00:26:39.69\00:26:42.30
yes, "full of zeal
and unselfish interest"
00:26:42.33\00:26:46.24
notice this, "men of God."
00:26:46.27\00:26:49.94
See we need unity, we
need unity on this issue,
00:26:49.97\00:26:55.62
it shouldn't be up to
this group we can do it,
00:26:55.65\00:26:58.68
this group shouldn't do it.
00:26:58.71\00:27:00.28
This preordained here but
it' only in this local area
00:27:00.31\00:27:03.15
its not ordination
you know around the world
00:27:03.18\00:27:05.43
which we have a worldwide work.
00:27:05.46\00:27:09.10
But some how we're
what, once we get away
00:27:09.13\00:27:11.34
from the Bible
rule and teachings,
00:27:11.37\00:27:13.51
we begin to you know fragment,
00:27:13.54\00:27:15.23
we will be going to
all different directions
00:27:15.26\00:27:17.13
and becomes very complicated.
00:27:17.16\00:27:19.59
Unity is so
important in fact you know,
00:27:19.62\00:27:21.76
Jesus prayed that you
remember that in John 17.
00:27:21.79\00:27:25.31
He said, "That we
may all be one as thou,
00:27:25.34\00:27:28.14
Father, art in
me, and I in thee,
00:27:28.17\00:27:31.43
there may be one in us."
00:27:31.46\00:27:34.61
What now notice
this, when there is unity
00:27:34.64\00:27:36.58
and were collected
together in unity of scripture
00:27:36.61\00:27:39.57
and doctrine and
teaching that right there says,
00:27:39.60\00:27:42.28
that the world may
believe that thou has sent me.
00:27:42.31\00:27:46.74
Wow, if all the disruptions
we have in the church
00:27:46.77\00:27:49.39
in different
doctrines and teachings
00:27:49.42\00:27:50.75
of things going on.
00:27:50.78\00:27:52.29
Now, you will say well,
that passage can go many ways,
00:27:52.32\00:27:54.53
praise God for the
spirit of prophecy again.
00:27:54.56\00:27:57.31
You know we can
really, really interesting
00:27:57.34\00:27:58.84
you study in scripture here
00:27:58.87\00:28:00.07
the Bible you are
take you read the Bible.
00:28:00.10\00:28:02.11
you have-- many times you have
00:28:02.14\00:28:03.46
historical accounts as
beautiful and you can go to
00:28:03.49\00:28:06.28
and then you have the
spirit of prophecy to go.
00:28:06.31\00:28:08.99
Many people are not using there
you are missing out on that.
00:28:09.02\00:28:11.41
Concerning this passage its says
00:28:11.44\00:28:12.76
nothing different than
what the scripture says,
00:28:12.79\00:28:14.49
listen to this in
5 "T" 620 concerning
00:28:14.52\00:28:17.13
this passage spirit
of prophecy says this.
00:28:17.16\00:28:20.41
"All professed
Christians should do
00:28:20.44\00:28:22.66
their utmost to
preserve peace, harmony,
00:28:22.69\00:28:26.24
and love in the church."
00:28:26.27\00:28:28.07
Do their utmost
to have love peace
00:28:28.10\00:28:29.89
and harmony in the church. Why?
00:28:29.92\00:28:32.29
Because "The unity of
the church is convincing
00:28:32.32\00:28:36.50
evidence to the
world, that Jesus" what?
00:28:36.53\00:28:40.90
"He is our Redeemer."
00:28:40.93\00:28:42.35
Convincing unity of
the church convince.
00:28:42.38\00:28:44.54
God sent Jesus into this
world and then it goes my,
00:28:44.57\00:28:50.91
it says, "God is dishonored
by those who profess the truth
00:28:50.94\00:28:56.05
while they are at variance
and enmity with one another."
00:28:56.08\00:29:00.10
This is heavy, "It
would be better for us never,"
00:29:00.13\00:29:03.75
notice the word
never "to have seen
00:29:03.78\00:29:05.79
the light of truth
than to profess to accept it
00:29:05.82\00:29:09.67
and not be
sanctified through it."
00:29:09.70\00:29:12.82
There is the
problem well I know,
00:29:12.85\00:29:14.65
I know, I know what it said
00:29:14.68\00:29:16.35
but it has
sanctified it hasn't change you.
00:29:16.38\00:29:19.22
That's what truth does.
00:29:19.25\00:29:20.43
That's why many people
are still the same old,
00:29:20.46\00:29:22.05
same old because
they won't let the truth.
00:29:22.08\00:29:24.10
They'll say
okay, I recognize I see
00:29:24.13\00:29:25.90
what it is when you let
it inside it will change you.
00:29:25.93\00:29:28.91
You will be different.
00:29:28.94\00:29:30.67
You are sanctified John
17:17 sanctified by the truth.
00:29:30.70\00:29:34.73
So the women's ordination
can you say it doesn't matter?
00:29:34.76\00:29:37.71
No, you know it matters
00:29:37.74\00:29:40.03
because truth
matters every bit of it.
00:29:40.06\00:29:44.10
Notice again, in
direct response to this verse
00:29:44.13\00:29:47.11
that we read in
scripture what it say lay--
00:29:47.14\00:29:50.57
lay hands suddenly on no man.
00:29:50.60\00:29:53.13
4 Testimonies
406 says this we go,
00:29:53.16\00:29:56.04
oh, that man, that
means that a mankind
00:29:56.07\00:29:58.14
that can be man
or woman now listen
00:29:58.17\00:30:00.68
406, 4 "T" 406 says this.
00:30:00.71\00:30:03.47
"In the days of the
apostles the ministers of God
00:30:03.50\00:30:06.39
did not dare rely upon
their own judgment in selecting
00:30:06.42\00:30:10.45
or accepting men to take
the solemn sacred position
00:30:10.48\00:30:15.20
of mouthpiece for God."
00:30:15.23\00:30:16.43
Wow.
00:30:16.46\00:30:18.10
"They selected the men
00:30:18.13\00:30:19.69
and whom their
judgment would accept,
00:30:19.72\00:30:22.55
and then they
placed them" notice
00:30:22.58\00:30:24.45
"before the Lord to see
if He would accept them.
00:30:24.48\00:30:28.80
No less than this
should be done now.
00:30:28.83\00:30:32.78
How many times that we
really follow that council?
00:30:32.81\00:30:36.60
How many times
if we really follow
00:30:36.63\00:30:38.33
that council we
have committee meetings,
00:30:38.36\00:30:40.41
we nominate and
we place in now here
00:30:40.44\00:30:42.60
and we say human
reasoning this seems
00:30:42.63\00:30:44.92
like Joel should be,
and then we what we what,
00:30:44.95\00:30:48.29
give him to God
and let God answer.
00:30:48.32\00:30:50.44
Will God accept him?
00:30:50.47\00:30:53.16
See, so it's
very, very important
00:30:53.19\00:30:54.62
that we say this
ordination isn't proper.
00:30:54.65\00:30:57.72
Should woman really be ordained?
00:30:57.75\00:31:00.17
Does it stop them in
any work any form or fact?
00:31:00.20\00:31:02.45
Absolutely not but
there is a truth to this.
00:31:02.48\00:31:06.44
See we believe as a people
God has given us great light.
00:31:06.47\00:31:10.36
Don't you?
00:31:10.39\00:31:11.42
It's great light,
00:31:11.45\00:31:13.44
but if that light
doesn't lead us into the--
00:31:13.47\00:31:17.99
I want to call to
unity of the spirit.
00:31:18.02\00:31:21.24
If it doesn't lead
us to greater devotion
00:31:21.27\00:31:23.96
and great consecration to
God and to live holy our lives,
00:31:23.99\00:31:29.04
our willingness to
become more and more
00:31:29.07\00:31:30.81
like Jesus to be
obedient to the truth
00:31:30.84\00:31:33.62
then what good is it?
00:31:33.65\00:31:36.19
See what good is it
if it doesn't change us?
00:31:36.22\00:31:40.79
Are we not to that--
Titus talks about here 1:14
00:31:45.03\00:31:50.84
it manages,
manages that it says,
00:31:50.87\00:31:52.76
"Not giving heed
to Jewish fables,
00:31:52.79\00:31:55.89
and commandments of men,
that turn from the truth."
00:31:55.92\00:31:59.64
See very, very
interesting when we read this
00:31:59.67\00:32:02.10
because so many times
especially in the Adventism
00:32:02.13\00:32:05.46
we read that passage
00:32:05.49\00:32:07.24
and we read
certainly Matthew 15:9
00:32:07.27\00:32:10.49
and we quote it many times,
00:32:10.52\00:32:11.80
we'll say "In vain
do they worship me,
00:32:11.83\00:32:13.70
teaching for doctrines
00:32:13.73\00:32:15.24
the
commandments of" again "men."
00:32:15.27\00:32:16.74
And so we point
there about and say
00:32:16.77\00:32:18.22
in vain do they worship
me, teaching for doctrines
00:32:18.25\00:32:20.22
the commandments of men.
00:32:20.25\00:32:21.28
The ordination of
women is a commandment of man
00:32:21.31\00:32:23.95
or it's a commandment of God?
00:32:23.98\00:32:26.54
In vain do they
worship me, he says.
00:32:26.57\00:32:28.45
Its pretty heavy duty, isn't it?
00:32:28.48\00:32:31.42
Testimonies to Ministers
229, comments on this verse,
00:32:31.45\00:32:34.75
in case we are going out
in the north 40 somewhere
00:32:34.78\00:32:37.38
we are fortune and
carrying on right now,
00:32:37.41\00:32:39.31
somebody ladies
are pulling your hair
00:32:39.34\00:32:41.11
about to scream don't do that.
00:32:41.14\00:32:43.50
Don't do that listen to
what the Word of God says,
00:32:43.53\00:32:45.40
it says by the grace of
God I want to line up with it
00:32:45.43\00:32:47.56
because that's the best way.
00:32:47.59\00:32:50.10
You know, what sometime we
may have to make some changes
00:32:50.13\00:32:52.13
and you know how
difficult that would be
00:32:52.16\00:32:54.01
we talked about before,
00:32:54.04\00:32:55.33
since we have already
moved in certain direction
00:32:55.36\00:32:57.83
for those who
are in charge to say,
00:32:57.86\00:33:00.27
oh, we made a mistake
00:33:00.30\00:33:01.38
or we really shouldn't
have done this and to back up.
00:33:01.41\00:33:03.76
I tell you God's people
would unite and have some unity
00:33:03.79\00:33:07.01
if sometime we went
with the wrong direction
00:33:07.04\00:33:08.99
and we found our way.
00:33:09.02\00:33:10.05
We found God, we found
the truth which stand up
00:33:10.08\00:33:12.56
and say we went the
wrong way God help us.
00:33:12.59\00:33:15.08
We want to do the right thing.
00:33:15.11\00:33:16.43
Watch the people
stand up in support of that
00:33:16.46\00:33:19.04
rather than you keep
making it verse and verse.
00:33:19.07\00:33:21.77
Testimonies to Ministers
229, comments on this verse,
00:33:21.80\00:33:25.28
Matthew 15:9
00:33:25.31\00:33:28.52
"Every conceivable deception
will be brought into our work."
00:33:28.55\00:33:33.78
No side issues
must be advanced until
00:33:33.81\00:33:37.68
"No side issues
must be advanced until
00:33:37.71\00:33:40.69
there has been a
thorough examination
00:33:40.72\00:33:43.06
of the ideas entertained,
that it may be ascertained
00:33:43.09\00:33:48.28
from what source
they have originated."
00:33:48.31\00:33:50.82
So people come to say well,
00:33:50.85\00:33:52.44
well somebody is
doing it over here,
00:33:52.47\00:33:53.78
this church has
done it over here,
00:33:53.81\00:33:55.11
he is doing it over here.
00:33:55.14\00:33:56.17
Doesn't matter what he is doing,
00:33:56.20\00:33:57.33
doesn't matter what
somebody is doing over there.
00:33:57.36\00:33:58.86
What does God's word
say, hope you see them
00:33:58.89\00:34:01.02
not trying to be too difficult
00:34:01.05\00:34:02.46
not trying to be
hard on this issue,
00:34:02.49\00:34:04.39
but too often we
just say well you know,
00:34:04.42\00:34:07.62
be careful almost said
the doctors said or you know,
00:34:07.65\00:34:10.46
somebody in the high
position the lawyer says
00:34:10.49\00:34:12.31
so I'm not going to say that.
00:34:12.34\00:34:13.60
And think all of a sudden
00:34:13.63\00:34:14.66
that's God
speaking well its not.
00:34:14.69\00:34:17.72
God's words speak loud
and clear on these issues.
00:34:17.75\00:34:21.32
We hear somebody say well,
00:34:21.35\00:34:22.38
this is we can
do this right now,
00:34:22.41\00:34:24.08
we live in a
different dispensation,
00:34:24.11\00:34:25.50
we live in a different time
00:34:25.53\00:34:26.56
and you know men are
there and women are there.
00:34:26.59\00:34:28.76
God's words till the same
yesterday, today, and forever.
00:34:28.79\00:34:32.37
We find these issues coming on,
00:34:32.40\00:34:33.77
then we find out
where they originated
00:34:33.80\00:34:35.50
and notice this I'm
reading on, "They will create"
00:34:35.53\00:34:40.24
in other words,
they will try to create
00:34:40.27\00:34:41.74
and "some will claim
this will be advanced light."
00:34:41.77\00:34:45.48
Oh, this is advanced
light we haven't seen this,
00:34:45.51\00:34:47.62
this is new light.
00:34:47.65\00:34:50.14
"And they will proclaim
as new and wonderful things,
00:34:50.17\00:34:53.94
and yet while in some
respects the message is"
00:34:53.97\00:34:57.60
notice this in some respects
see how the devil works,
00:34:57.63\00:35:00.62
he always mingles
what somebody help me,
00:35:00.65\00:35:02.88
truth and err together.
00:35:02.91\00:35:04.84
So in some respects
what they're saying,
00:35:04.87\00:35:06.94
there is some truth to it.
00:35:06.97\00:35:08.00
This article says "some
respects the message is truth.
00:35:08.03\00:35:11.65
It will be mingled
with men's inventions,
00:35:11.68\00:35:15.29
and will teach for doctrine
the commandments of men.
00:35:15.32\00:35:19.28
There may be supposable things
00:35:19.31\00:35:21.63
that will
appear as good things."
00:35:21.66\00:35:23.37
How many times
have you heard something
00:35:23.40\00:35:24.73
that just
initially it appears good.
00:35:24.76\00:35:27.03
Oh, wow, this is good
and then you begin to listen
00:35:27.06\00:35:29.40
and hear little oh,
wait a minute here wait.
00:35:29.43\00:35:32.86
The article goes on and says,
00:35:32.89\00:35:33.99
but "Yet they need
to be carefully consider
00:35:34.02\00:35:36.98
with much prayer,
00:35:37.01\00:35:39.16
for they are
specious devices of the enemy
00:35:39.19\00:35:43.00
to lead souls in a
path which lies so close
00:35:43.03\00:35:46.70
to the path of truth
00:35:46.73\00:35:48.91
that it will be
scarcely distinguishable
00:35:48.94\00:35:50.78
from the path which
leads to holiness and heaven.
00:35:50.81\00:35:54.84
At first" notice this "it
may be thought positively right,
00:35:54.87\00:35:58.93
but after a while it is
seen to be widely divergent
00:35:58.96\00:36:02.77
from the path of safety,
00:36:02.80\00:36:04.16
make straight the
paths for your feet."
00:36:04.19\00:36:07.71
That makes sense doesn't it?
00:36:07.74\00:36:09.57
Make straight the path,
00:36:09.60\00:36:11.93
see there is no
use of saying that
00:36:11.96\00:36:13.55
well, it's not clear
doesn't matter so leave off.
00:36:13.58\00:36:16.60
What is there in the
word that's not clear?
00:36:16.63\00:36:19.76
What?
00:36:19.79\00:36:20.82
Come on and
challenge in somebody.
00:36:20.85\00:36:24.49
What is God put in here,
00:36:24.52\00:36:25.68
you think He would
put something in here
00:36:25.71\00:36:27.73
that we can by the grace
00:36:27.76\00:36:30.14
and the power of the
Holy Spirit figure out
00:36:30.17\00:36:32.14
line upon line preset
upon-- He would never do that.
00:36:32.17\00:36:35.70
Because the
problem is not with God
00:36:35.73\00:36:36.99
not with scriptures with what?
00:36:37.02\00:36:38.74
With us, we try to make it say
00:36:38.77\00:36:40.23
what we want and we are
doing a lot of this with it
00:36:40.26\00:36:42.76
and we need not do that.
00:36:42.79\00:36:44.43
No, one -- intentionally
may be would do that
00:36:44.46\00:36:46.49
but it's been done that way.
00:36:46.52\00:36:50.12
We must carefully
consider with much prayer
00:36:50.15\00:36:54.19
Bible talks about we must
continue on in Colossians 1:23
00:36:54.22\00:36:58.68
we must continue on
in the -- in the truth.
00:36:58.71\00:37:02.04
It says
continue on in the faith,
00:37:02.07\00:37:04.68
grounded and settle
notice that and be not moved.
00:37:04.71\00:37:08.96
Are you grounded are
you settled in the truth
00:37:08.99\00:37:11.49
or you just waving about
00:37:11.52\00:37:12.77
by which ever
group that you're in?
00:37:12.80\00:37:14.60
Oh, well they said
this, well she said
00:37:14.63\00:37:16.96
that well he said something.
00:37:16.99\00:37:19.43
Oh, I just want to say so what?
00:37:19.46\00:37:23.80
So what, what does
the Word of God say?
00:37:23.83\00:37:26.94
"Use no man, no word, no--
00:37:26.97\00:37:28.20
Child whatever you say
well, they say they teach."
00:37:28.23\00:37:30.89
What does the Bible teach?
00:37:30.92\00:37:33.18
We must continue in
the faith round it settled,
00:37:33.21\00:37:37.19
rooted not to be moved.
00:37:37.22\00:37:39.12
We need a straight path.
00:37:39.15\00:37:41.01
You know, Book of Isaiah 45:2
00:37:41.04\00:37:44.87
he said there will be
people in the last days
00:37:44.90\00:37:46.50
they are gonna make
the crooked roads straight.
00:37:46.53\00:37:49.53
You realize that
most of the churches today
00:37:49.56\00:37:51.17
the people that got
crooked road any how
00:37:51.20\00:37:52.91
and they are
making little more or so.
00:37:52.94\00:37:54.71
They are so tangled up and
can't figure out one doctor
00:37:54.74\00:37:57.05
and one teaching from another.
00:37:57.08\00:37:58.33
The Bible is
clear we need to stay--
00:37:58.36\00:38:00.54
oh, it will change your life.
00:38:00.57\00:38:01.60
Yeah, sure it will because
that's what the truth does.
00:38:01.63\00:38:04.36
So our message is the same
we have mentioned many times
00:38:04.39\00:38:06.48
as that of what John the Baptist
00:38:06.51\00:38:08.19
when he said repeat--
00:38:08.22\00:38:09.30
repent for the
kingdom of heaven is at hand.
00:38:09.33\00:38:12.31
You remember that?
00:38:12.34\00:38:13.37
Three Testimonies 279
00:38:16.23\00:38:18.22
on Matthew 3:3 that
we are talking about
00:38:18.25\00:38:20.45
and in concerning
Elijah on Mount Carmel.
00:38:20.48\00:38:23.21
"The condition of
Israel in their apostasy
00:38:23.24\00:38:26.02
demands a firm demeanor."
00:38:26.05\00:38:28.73
Okay, you say sometime well,
he is a little bit too tough.
00:38:28.76\00:38:30.83
He is little bit
too firm on this right.
00:38:30.86\00:38:32.52
Listen at the
time John the Baptist
00:38:32.55\00:38:34.59
the time of Elijah message
the Bible talks about here
00:38:34.62\00:38:38.01
that they had to stand fast.
00:38:38.04\00:38:40.20
They had to lift up a standard.
00:38:40.23\00:38:41.80
Here is the spirit of
prophecy says right here
00:38:41.83\00:38:43.73
it calls for men of
their firm demeanor,
00:38:43.76\00:38:46.38
stern speech, and
commanding authority.
00:38:46.41\00:38:50.11
God compares -- he compares
00:38:50.14\00:38:52.20
and prepares the message to
fit the time and the occasion.
00:38:52.23\00:38:57.27
God-- God directs,
God send a commanding
00:38:57.30\00:39:02.22
message that fits the
time and the occasion.
00:39:02.25\00:39:04.65
Notice reading on, it says,
00:39:04.68\00:39:06.34
"Sometimes He puts His
Spirit upon His messengers
00:39:06.37\00:39:10.67
to sound an alarm day and night"
00:39:10.70\00:39:13.91
and what, just as He did John,
just as He did Elijah notice.
00:39:13.94\00:39:19.61
And He says, "Prepare
ye the way of the Lord.
00:39:19.64\00:39:22.13
Then, again, men
of action are needed."
00:39:22.16\00:39:24.94
Not men that want to
sit by and do nothing.
00:39:24.97\00:39:27.09
Men that are
going to retire early,
00:39:27.12\00:39:28.81
but men of action are needed.
00:39:28.84\00:39:30.57
Men are spiritual inside
00:39:30.60\00:39:32.27
so that God could
take control of that man
00:39:32.30\00:39:34.40
and He is going
to sound the trumpet.
00:39:34.43\00:39:35.91
He knows when He's sounding it
peoples are not gonna like it.
00:39:35.94\00:39:38.49
But you know what, I'm
not a people pleasure are you?
00:39:38.52\00:39:41.76
I would like to get
along with everybody
00:39:41.79\00:39:43.24
but we need to what?
We want to please God.
00:39:43.27\00:39:45.70
We want to bring
the message home.
00:39:45.73\00:39:48.58
He is looking for men.
00:39:48.61\00:39:49.67
Women today "Who will
not be swerved from duty,
00:39:49.70\00:39:54.13
but whose energy will arouse"
00:39:54.16\00:39:57.67
and He is going to say this,
"Who is on the Lord's side?"
00:39:57.70\00:40:02.65
May be you need to
be challenged today
00:40:02.68\00:40:03.94
what side you are on.
00:40:03.97\00:40:05.00
You been or sitting on the fence
00:40:05.03\00:40:06.09
and just getting spinners
that's all your are doing.
00:40:06.12\00:40:08.16
Get off of the fence.
Who is on the Lord side?
00:40:08.19\00:40:11.63
Get over here and
do it and sad to say
00:40:11.66\00:40:14.40
when you say
who's on the Lord's side
00:40:14.43\00:40:15.98
who is gonna stand for God?
00:40:16.01\00:40:17.44
Many people stand and
say well, I don't know.
00:40:17.47\00:40:19.83
Oh, you got to know
now is the time to say
00:40:19.86\00:40:22.28
I'm on the Lord's side.
00:40:22.31\00:40:23.93
Not trying to get
along with this group
00:40:23.96\00:40:25.17
with that group over
here I want to get long
00:40:25.20\00:40:27.27
I want to do what
God wants me to do.
00:40:27.30\00:40:29.60
Who is on the Lord's side?
00:40:29.63\00:40:32.35
You need a Mount
Carmel experience I need that.
00:40:32.38\00:40:35.10
The Lord He is
God, the Lord He is God.
00:40:35.13\00:40:38.52
Have you read that 1 Kings 18?
00:40:38.55\00:40:41.26
People begin to
chant the Lord He is God.
00:40:41.29\00:40:43.53
Something needs
to be said us today
00:40:46.04\00:40:47.92
3 testimonies 255 says,
00:40:47.95\00:40:49.88
I have been shown
that the greatest reason
00:40:49.91\00:40:52.12
somebody doesn't want it
00:40:52.15\00:40:53.31
I know you don't want
to hear this but listen.
00:40:53.34\00:40:55.52
"I have been shown
that the greatest reason
00:40:55.55\00:40:57.26
why the people
of God are now found
00:40:57.29\00:41:01.29
in this state of
spiritual blindness
00:41:01.32\00:41:04.17
is that they will
not receive correction."
00:41:04.20\00:41:08.84
No one wants to
read those things
00:41:08.87\00:41:11.38
but if there are in there
00:41:11.41\00:41:12.67
and they are from the spirit
of prophecy should we not,
00:41:12.70\00:41:15.39
and the Bible speaks about
the blind leaders of the blind.
00:41:15.42\00:41:19.90
The reason they went--
00:41:19.93\00:41:20.96
see people read this
and they don't like it
00:41:20.99\00:41:22.52
and they just push aside
00:41:22.55\00:41:23.58
they don't want to
talk about any more,
00:41:23.61\00:41:24.97
talk about how
good things are going.
00:41:25.00\00:41:26.95
The reason, if a
spiritual blind in the day
00:41:26.98\00:41:28.97
that these words were pen
we are little more blind today.
00:41:29.00\00:41:31.80
Do you follow me?
00:41:31.83\00:41:33.31
Spiritual blindness,
00:41:33.34\00:41:35.06
they will not
receive correction.
00:41:35.09\00:41:36.89
So, here is our
problem we begin down path.
00:41:36.92\00:41:40.26
And then we begin
to see that path it
00:41:40.29\00:41:41.74
looks okay to begin with
because there are some demands
00:41:41.77\00:41:44.08
and some people
warning certain things
00:41:44.11\00:41:45.86
in higher positions
and we get our feet down
00:41:45.89\00:41:48.20
on the path and then they
guess a little bit broader
00:41:48.23\00:41:50.29
more people want and pretty soon
00:41:50.32\00:41:51.54
we begin look say, may
be this is not quite right.
00:41:51.57\00:41:54.48
But we can't turn around.
00:41:54.51\00:41:55.78
We don't want to turn around
00:41:55.81\00:41:56.94
we are afraid there
is going to be uproar.
00:41:56.97\00:41:58.41
We are afraid
somebody is going to say
00:41:58.44\00:41:59.47
oh, my don't you
people know what you're doing.
00:41:59.50\00:42:01.52
We will not receive correction
00:42:04.08\00:42:05.93
we should be
willing to be corrected.
00:42:05.96\00:42:08.86
Same page 3 "T" 255, says,
00:42:08.89\00:42:11.84
"Satan has
ability to suggest doubts
00:42:11.87\00:42:15.61
and to devise objections
to the pointed testimony
00:42:15.64\00:42:21.05
that God sends,
many think it a virtue,
00:42:21.08\00:42:24.89
a mark of intelligence"
have you met those?
00:42:24.92\00:42:27.88
"In them, to be unbelieving
and to question and quibble.
00:42:27.91\00:42:32.14
All should decide"
listen this all should decide
00:42:32.17\00:42:36.16
that you today that's me.
00:42:36.19\00:42:39.04
"All should decide on
the weight of evidence."
00:42:39.07\00:42:43.81
On the weight of what? Evidence.
00:42:43.84\00:42:46.07
You look in the Old Testament,
00:42:46.10\00:42:47.13
oh, there is no
evidence the women's orientated.
00:42:47.16\00:42:48.77
Oh, you look in
the New Testament
00:42:48.80\00:42:50.08
oh, there is no weight of women.
00:42:50.11\00:42:53.39
So where do we get it?
00:42:53.42\00:42:55.66
See its okay to say, its
okay to challenge your mind,
00:42:58.09\00:43:01.22
my mind has to be
challenged with this too.
00:43:01.25\00:43:03.41
Everything should be decided
by the weight of evidence
00:43:03.44\00:43:06.80
rather than I think of what?
00:43:06.83\00:43:08.40
Here is the question.
00:43:08.43\00:43:10.82
We have explained several
and read several passages
00:43:10.85\00:43:14.47
from the Apostle Paul.
00:43:14.50\00:43:16.94
Now what was Paul teaching?
00:43:16.97\00:43:20.91
What was Paul teaching
here in the New Testament?
00:43:20.94\00:43:24.22
Well, I mentioned a while ago,
00:43:24.25\00:43:25.63
that you know he was
teaching that the office
00:43:25.66\00:43:28.92
and we just did a sample.
00:43:28.95\00:43:30.44
He was teaching that
the office of deacon,
00:43:30.47\00:43:32.45
elder and pastor
was to be a male.
00:43:32.48\00:43:37.87
Ah, listen since Paul was
qualified isn't that right?
00:43:37.90\00:43:41.93
It guided by the Holy Spirit.
00:43:41.96\00:43:44.69
Since he was inspired
to write by the Holy Spirit
00:43:44.72\00:43:48.70
then don't you think surely
00:43:50.91\00:43:52.46
he would not
teach something contrary
00:43:52.49\00:43:57.44
to what the Holy
Spirit approved on?
00:43:57.47\00:44:00.08
See we can -- see
instead of reading this
00:44:00.11\00:44:02.13
and say these are harsh words
I don't think he meant what--
00:44:02.16\00:44:04.97
what do you mean
you didn't think?
00:44:05.00\00:44:06.33
What do you mean?
00:44:06.36\00:44:09.69
There must be a reason than
to say well it doesn't matter.
00:44:09.72\00:44:12.37
We needed to say why
did he say it like this
00:44:12.40\00:44:16.30
and then we began to
put evidence together
00:44:16.33\00:44:17.93
and say oh, I think
I'm beginning to see
00:44:17.96\00:44:20.07
and it become
little clear as we go here.
00:44:20.10\00:44:23.75
Surely he wouldn't
teach anything contrary
00:44:23.78\00:44:25.63
to what the Holy
Spirit inspired him to do.
00:44:25.66\00:44:29.35
But the Word of God says
only a male can fill the role
00:44:29.38\00:44:34.57
of leadership of
deacon, elders and pastors.
00:44:34.60\00:44:41.79
Wow, that's
pretty plain isn't it?
00:44:41.82\00:44:45.25
See, I don't want
to mince around with it
00:44:45.28\00:44:46.92
because you mince around
with it stir up a little bit
00:44:46.95\00:44:49.47
and try to please
this group and that group.
00:44:49.50\00:44:51.55
You got to mess on your hand
00:44:51.58\00:44:52.83
because no matter how far you go
00:44:52.86\00:44:54.38
somebody will go a
little bit further.
00:44:54.41\00:44:55.89
I think you know
what I'm talking about.
00:44:55.92\00:44:59.49
So Paul has said this,
00:44:59.52\00:45:01.73
he said the male is to
fill the role of leadership,
00:45:01.76\00:45:03.86
deacon, elders and pastor.
00:45:03.89\00:45:05.14
So would that now-- so now,
00:45:05.17\00:45:06.59
would the Holy Spirit
call a woman to fill an office
00:45:06.62\00:45:10.41
which the Holy
Spirit has already said
00:45:10.44\00:45:12.38
should be filled by a man.
00:45:12.41\00:45:13.96
Are they not?
00:45:13.99\00:45:16.88
Wow, shouldn't we be the
people who obey the Bible?
00:45:16.91\00:45:22.66
Shouldn't we not
have biblical grounds
00:45:22.69\00:45:27.59
for a position which we stand?
00:45:27.62\00:45:29.44
Shouldn't we have the
authority to contradict
00:45:32.01\00:45:35.09
or to change or pass
some new rules or new policies
00:45:35.12\00:45:39.30
which
contradict the Word of God?
00:45:39.33\00:45:40.69
No, we shouldn't.
00:45:40.72\00:45:41.75
We don't have the
authority to change.
00:45:41.78\00:45:45.43
Now its clear in scripture,
00:45:45.46\00:45:48.47
now, I'm already pretty deep
isn't that right some of you,
00:45:48.50\00:45:51.97
more of you above
I understand that.
00:45:52.00\00:45:54.06
But you know what I
go a little bit deeper
00:45:54.09\00:45:55.46
and its gonna get that.
00:45:55.49\00:45:56.53
This is only part
two and its get deep.
00:45:56.56\00:45:59.64
But people love
Jesus say you know what,
00:45:59.67\00:46:01.44
His way is always the best.
00:46:01.47\00:46:03.63
His way is always oh,
00:46:03.66\00:46:05.47
it gets sweeter
as the days go by.
00:46:05.50\00:46:08.09
Don't find what God
has instituted here.
00:46:08.12\00:46:11.48
What did Paul mean
in 1 Corinthians 14:34
00:46:11.51\00:46:16.59
oh, I wish-- I almost wished
I didn't have to say this.
00:46:16.62\00:46:21.13
1 Corinthians 14:34 he said,
00:46:21.16\00:46:23.61
"Women are to keep
silent in the church."
00:46:23.64\00:46:27.02
Boy, if heard some
dandies on this one.
00:46:27.05\00:46:30.49
He said it and it's in the word.
00:46:30.52\00:46:33.72
Now, he had there was a
reason why he said what he said.
00:46:33.75\00:46:37.63
Now, let's try to evaluate
it based upon all the writings
00:46:37.66\00:46:40.91
of scripture what was
he really talking here.
00:46:40.94\00:46:43.56
I mean they could
never say anything?
00:46:43.59\00:46:44.79
I don't think so.
00:46:44.82\00:46:46.78
But the original
word in the language
00:46:46.81\00:46:47.93
and silence means hold
your peace that means hush.
00:46:47.96\00:46:51.90
No one wants to hear that.
00:46:51.93\00:46:54.00
But if we
examine other scriptures,
00:46:54.03\00:46:57.51
other scripts
indicate that Paul would like
00:46:57.54\00:47:00.79
the women to use their gifts.
00:47:00.82\00:47:03.92
Are you still with me?
00:47:03.95\00:47:05.18
Paul wanted the
women to use their gifts
00:47:05.21\00:47:09.98
under certain
conditions and guidelines.
00:47:10.01\00:47:14.96
Well, that begins to make sense.
00:47:14.99\00:47:18.28
And then Paul went ahead
00:47:18.31\00:47:19.50
and it's like he
was digging it deeper
00:47:19.53\00:47:21.22
and I guess may be I'm too.
00:47:21.25\00:47:22.70
But he said he
wanted he encouraged women
00:47:22.73\00:47:24.87
to learn in silence.
00:47:24.90\00:47:26.87
I have heard
some dandies on these
00:47:26.90\00:47:28.60
of why you said that.
00:47:28.63\00:47:30.67
Listen, learn in silence.
00:47:30.70\00:47:32.92
What 1 Timothy 2:11 say,
00:47:32.95\00:47:35.46
"and He didn't
allow woman to teach
00:47:35.49\00:47:39.32
or to have authority over men."
00:47:39.35\00:47:42.10
Keep this word in mind,
headship and authority over men
00:47:42.13\00:47:46.82
whether in the
home or in the church.
00:47:46.85\00:47:49.85
We will prove that as we
go along in this teaching.
00:47:49.88\00:47:53.27
This is what it
told by in ordination.
00:47:53.30\00:47:55.31
If some is ordained as an elder
or pastor they have headship,
00:47:55.34\00:47:59.10
ruler ship over the other people
00:47:59.13\00:48:01.57
that would be in the church
00:48:01.60\00:48:03.73
and there is a
women to hold that office.
00:48:03.76\00:48:06.44
He said, I don't want--
00:48:06.47\00:48:07.80
the woman is not going to teach
or have authority over men.
00:48:07.83\00:48:10.16
Now, you think,
00:48:10.19\00:48:11.22
well, what's wrong
here 1 Timothy 2:11.
00:48:11.25\00:48:14.08
But this passage
is not forbid a woman
00:48:14.11\00:48:16.63
to teach in every
form or in every condition.
00:48:16.66\00:48:20.88
He wants them to use their gifts
00:48:20.91\00:48:23.69
and then shouldn't we
not as 2 Timothy 1:3 tell us,
00:48:23.72\00:48:27.88
right, once we
begin to hear these things
00:48:27.91\00:48:29.66
"Hold fast the
form of" what good,
00:48:29.69\00:48:32.11
you heard "sound words,
which thou hast heard of me,
00:48:32.14\00:48:36.35
in faith and love
which is in Christ Jesus."
00:48:36.38\00:48:40.18
Would you say
today that Paul was --
00:48:40.21\00:48:42.48
well, Paul had some
you know firm words.
00:48:42.51\00:48:45.31
Solid given by the Holy
Spirit, he was a man of God?
00:48:45.34\00:48:49.72
Sure, so we have to
take serious the points
00:48:49.75\00:48:53.95
that he made and bring them
into where we can look at them
00:48:53.98\00:48:57.69
and say wow, how interesting.
00:48:57.72\00:49:00.48
1 Timothy 5:1 has some weight.
00:49:00.51\00:49:03.08
It says, "Rebuke not an elder"
00:49:03.11\00:49:05.83
notice this,
"Rebuke not an elder,
00:49:05.86\00:49:07.75
but entreat him as a father."
00:49:07.78\00:49:10.91
A woman can't be
a father can she?
00:49:10.94\00:49:13.87
Talking about the elders.
00:49:13.90\00:49:16.31
If a father must
be a man the overseer,
00:49:16.34\00:49:19.66
the elders, pastors,
the bishops all you know,
00:49:19.69\00:49:23.02
New Testament all man deacons.
00:49:23.05\00:49:25.41
1 Timothy 3:2-4,
00:49:25.44\00:49:27.30
"A bishop must be blameless
the husband of one wife."
00:49:27.33\00:49:31.42
Verse 4, "One that
ruleth well his own house,
00:49:31.45\00:49:34.34
having his children" his
children "in Subjection."
00:49:34.37\00:49:38.82
Notice 1 Timothy 3:8
00:49:38.85\00:49:40.79
starting talking
about deacons here
00:49:40.82\00:49:42.74
but it talks about let's
read verse 11 focuses on it.
00:49:42.77\00:49:46.41
It said they are
talking about those who ordained
00:49:46.44\00:49:48.53
what as deacons and elders.
00:49:48.56\00:49:50.68
It says, "They
so must their wives"
00:49:50.71\00:49:54.58
notice this, notice what,
be what in subjection to them.
00:49:54.61\00:49:58.44
"Even so much their wives."
00:49:58.47\00:50:00.98
And so that means there must
be a man if they have a wife.
00:50:01.01\00:50:03.88
Verse 12 said, "Let the deacons
be the husbands of one wife."
00:50:03.91\00:50:08.80
There's lot of the information.
00:50:08.83\00:50:09.88
Notice these texts
apply strongly in the Greek
00:50:09.91\00:50:13.81
to someone who is teaching
00:50:13.84\00:50:15.81
in the leadership
role in the church.
00:50:15.84\00:50:19.45
Jot this down.
00:50:19.48\00:50:20.51
I wish we had time to
read them all, we do not.
00:50:20.54\00:50:22.66
1 Timothy 3:2, 1 Timothy 4:11,
00:50:22.69\00:50:27.09
1 Timothy 6:12, 2 Timothy 2:2,
00:50:27.12\00:50:32.22
read these you
just find in the Greek
00:50:32.25\00:50:34.04
that it referring to what?
00:50:34.07\00:50:35.99
Leadership role in the church.
00:50:36.02\00:50:40.13
And then you link this
with the authority over men.
00:50:40.16\00:50:44.63
So, Paul is not
forbidding all teaching of women
00:50:44.66\00:50:48.69
but he is teaching
about the teaching in a church
00:50:48.72\00:50:52.43
which puts a woman
in authority over a man.
00:50:52.46\00:50:57.61
There's more
reasons they will give you
00:50:57.64\00:50:58.86
some little bit
later on but notice this,
00:50:58.89\00:51:00.61
Paul forbids that a
woman should be in the church
00:51:00.64\00:51:03.41
or in the home have
authority over the man.
00:51:03.44\00:51:06.81
Remember, Paul in Titus 2:3-5,
00:51:06.84\00:51:10.02
he givers an example of certain
teaching that women can do.
00:51:10.05\00:51:14.15
He just simply says
that he can each that
00:51:14.18\00:51:15.43
which is good and
to train other women.
00:51:15.46\00:51:19.69
Certainly not
forbidding women at all
00:51:19.72\00:51:21.94
to speak or to
teach, do evangelism,
00:51:21.97\00:51:25.00
help with the
evangelistic service,
00:51:25.03\00:51:26.64
you know, go out and just work,
00:51:26.67\00:51:27.86
work be involved in
ministry has to nothing to do.
00:51:27.89\00:51:30.06
We're taking about
ordination or elevating a woman
00:51:30.09\00:51:33.91
in the church or in the home
00:51:33.94\00:51:34.99
higher than that are they meant
to have men underneath them.
00:51:35.02\00:51:39.60
Interesting.
00:51:39.63\00:51:41.39
Authoritative
teaching that an elder
00:51:41.42\00:51:44.51
or pastor should be doing,
00:51:44.54\00:51:46.83
do you notice that the
big question doing what?
00:51:46.86\00:51:48.80
Should women in the
church be teaching in a position
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that gives them
authority over the men?
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That's what the elders
and the pastor is to be doing.
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They should not
have authority over.
00:52:00.43\00:52:03.41
Now, may I say this it has
nothing to do with how good,
00:52:03.44\00:52:09.42
has nothing to
how smart they are,
00:52:09.45\00:52:11.94
how educated that they are,
how qualified that they are,
00:52:11.97\00:52:16.01
they are smarter
than brother so and so,
00:52:16.04\00:52:17.71
they do a better--
that's not the issue.
00:52:17.74\00:52:20.71
The issue is God
sets up the qualifications
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and He wants us to follow it.
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Paul's instruction
to Timothy is clear.
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He prohibits a woman to teach
or have authority over man.
00:52:29.83\00:52:37.08
Even this passage
alone, just like here you know,
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it rules out a woman as a
pastor or an overseer of man,
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1 Timothy 1:3 read it and
then let me tell you this,
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this deal is also with the home.
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Let me give you some
examples here quickly,
00:52:51.95\00:52:53.38
I know we just have a
few minutes left, okay.
00:52:53.41\00:52:54.84
We will work on a
quick right backup
00:52:54.87\00:52:56.51
when we comeback
for the third part.
00:52:56.54\00:52:58.21
You remember Paul
was visiting a town
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and he was staying
with Aquila and Pricilla.
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See Paul dealt with
these issues and Ephesus
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and Corinth and in
time in these places,
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he actually
stayed with these people.
00:53:10.74\00:53:12.85
He actually became
acquainted with these women,
00:53:12.88\00:53:15.67
well educated women,
00:53:15.70\00:53:17.25
women who ran
their own business,
00:53:17.28\00:53:19.30
they were professionals.
00:53:19.33\00:53:22.03
And he stayed with
them, he lived with them,
00:53:22.06\00:53:23.66
he ate from their
table but he still talk
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that a woman was not
to teach in a capacity
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that would have
authority over a man.
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What was one of the reasons
or principle of this position?
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Well, he used 1 Timothy 2:13,
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at the first
we've mentioned this,
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Adam was formed
first and then Eve.
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So Adam had the responsibility,
Adam had the leadership,
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he had the, we
call that the headship,
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he was the first
born in the family.
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Read that in Colossians 1:15-18.
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So, we or some,
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we're challenged
with Paul's teachings.
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We're really challenged.
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But will we be willing to accept
00:54:07.25\00:54:12.19
what the word of God says?
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Even if we've
already went too far?
00:54:13.54\00:54:15.31
We'll be willing to say,
00:54:15.34\00:54:16.37
wait we shouldn't
have went that far.
00:54:16.40\00:54:18.82
And will women today would
be willing to use their gifts
00:54:18.85\00:54:22.19
and teaching and speaking
within a biblical structure
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the way that
Paul, the way that God,
00:54:27.25\00:54:28.81
the way the Holy
Spirit said to do it
00:54:28.84\00:54:31.41
as they should
under the leadership,
00:54:31.44\00:54:34.75
the headship of
a man called of God
00:54:34.78\00:54:38.82
and they hold the
office of an elder or a pastor?
00:54:38.85\00:54:43.51
See that the
Bible clearly teaches
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that a man is
head in leadership role
00:54:45.11\00:54:47.21
is to be like
Christ and we're gonna hit
00:54:47.24\00:54:48.78
that little bit
more but I want to--
00:54:48.81\00:54:50.26
so our time is running out
00:54:50.29\00:54:51.32
to have prayer with
you before we close.
00:54:51.35\00:54:55.05
Remember this is
not putting anything
00:54:55.08\00:54:56.38
or anybody down or
the woman down at all.
00:54:56.41\00:54:58.17
We're gonna have
prayer right here with you.
00:54:58.20\00:54:59.90
I want your mind and
your heart to be open
00:54:59.93\00:55:01.09
and say what does God word say?
00:55:01.12\00:55:03.11
It's very important,
let's pray together shall we?
00:55:03.14\00:55:06.61
Loving Father in heaven,
00:55:06.64\00:55:07.67
we thank You for
Your precious word,
00:55:07.70\00:55:09.18
we thank You--
may be as needling
00:55:09.21\00:55:11.75
as it might be for some today,
00:55:11.78\00:55:13.19
we pray Your Holy
Spirit will leave God
00:55:13.22\00:55:14.68
in direct in our
hearts and in our minds
00:55:14.71\00:55:16.05
and help us to fit the
way that You have told us
00:55:16.08\00:55:18.73
in Your word that we
made line up with Your word
00:55:18.76\00:55:21.27
and that we can be
what You would have us to be
00:55:21.30\00:55:24.45
in this last days
of earth's history.
00:55:24.48\00:55:25.91
Thank You for
hearing and answering prayer
00:55:25.94\00:55:27.16
in Jesus name, amen.
00:55:27.19\00:55:30.40
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00:55:30.43\00:55:31.99
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00:55:51.03\00:55:53.67
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00:55:53.70\00:55:55.29
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00:55:55.32\00:55:56.69
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00:55:56.72\00:55:58.73
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Hello and welcome back.
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In closing I just like
to share one more quote
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from the pin of
inspiration is found
00:56:11.18\00:56:13.65
in Manuscript
Releases 16 pages 73 and 74
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reading it says, "God's
promises to the obedient
00:56:18.70\00:56:22.29
are 'good tidings of great joy.'
00:56:22.32\00:56:24.60
They are gladdening to
the humble, contrite soul.
00:56:24.63\00:56:28.08
The life of the
true Christian is radiant
00:56:28.11\00:56:30.92
with the beams of
the Sun of Righteousness.
00:56:30.95\00:56:33.66
If men and women would
act as the Lords helping hand,
00:56:33.69\00:56:37.86
doing deeds of
love and kindness,
00:56:37.89\00:56:40.35
uplifting the oppressed,
rescuing those ready to perish,
00:56:40.38\00:56:44.49
the glory of the Lord
would be their reward.
00:56:44.52\00:56:47.71
They would call, and
the Lord would answer,
00:56:47.74\00:56:50.10
'Here am I.'
00:56:50.13\00:56:51.28
They would turn to
the one close beside them,
00:56:51.31\00:56:53.57
who has given them the promise,
'Lo, I'm with you always,
00:56:53.60\00:56:57.74
even unto the
end of the world.'"
00:56:57.77\00:57:00.74
Again friends, no
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00:57:00.77\00:57:03.35
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00:57:03.38\00:57:06.46
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00:57:06.49\00:57:10.15
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our Savior and our Lord.
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