Participants: Chris Shelton (Host), Kenny Shelton
Series Code: BTLP
Program Code: BTLP000067
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00:41 Hello, and welcome, to Behold the Lambs Presents.
00:44 I'm Chris Shelton your host 00:46 and we want to welcome our study guests 00:48 from here in the United States and around the world. 00:51 We simply love that you've chosen 00:54 to spend this quality time with us today in study. 00:58 And today's message is one that has 01:00 well that's brought about a lot of sincere 01:03 hard felt studies and even some debates 01:05 in several protestant churches in our recent history. 01:09 The topic entitled 01:11 of today's message is "Women's Ordination." 01:15 It's a challenging topic as we sit 01:17 and compare Bible passages. 01:19 They clearly show God using women in authoritative roles, 01:23 you know, generally occupied by men 01:26 as well as being called as for prophets and teachers 01:30 and with the very subordinate picture 01:33 that Paul portrays of women 01:35 in the early New Testament church. 01:38 This is also multiplied with the written history 01:41 of Christ calling and using many sincere godly women 01:46 in the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist church 01:49 as well as the fact that there's still fulfilling 01:52 vital roles in our church today. 01:55 Ellen G. White wrote that it was in Portland, Maine 01:58 that she was given her first vision 02:00 and was called into the field. 02:02 She said that in Portland, Maine 02:05 is where the Lord had ordained her. 02:07 So is there a balance found in the scripture 02:10 to all this important concern of women's ordination. 02:14 And is it possible, think about this, 02:17 is it possible that the answer lies 02:20 as to the office in which women maybe ordained. 02:24 Get out your notepads and endure to peer the heaven 02:27 right now as we begin our study with Pastor Kenny Shelton. 02:31 But first we are so blessed to listen to a song 02:34 that is entitled "Come Let Us Reason" 02:37 as sung by Stephanie Dawn from the 3ABN Worship Center. 02:58 Come, let us 03:01 Reason together 03:07 That's what God says 03:12 Come, let us 03:15 Reason together 03:21 Says the Lord 03:27 Come, let us 03:30 Reason together 03:35 That's what God says 03:41 Come, let us 03:44 Reason together 03:49 Says the Lord 03:55 Though your sins be as scarlet 04:02 They shall be as white as snow 04:08 Though they be red like crimson 04:16 They shall be as wool 04:27 Come, let us 04:30 Reason together 04:36 That's what God says 04:41 Come, let us 04:44 Reason together 04:50 Says the Lord 04:55 Though your sins be as scarlet 05:02 They shall be as white as snow 05:08 Though they be red like crimson 05:15 They shall be as wool 05:27 Come, let us 05:30 Reason together 05:36 That's what God says 05:41 Come, let us 05:44 Reason together 05:51 Says the Lord 06:09 Thanks again for joining us here at Behold the Lamb 06:11 and we're always grateful and thankful for the good music 06:14 that comes before the preaching part of it 06:16 and I know it's a blessing to you. 06:17 We pray to prepare your heart and your mind 06:20 to receive the message. 06:22 You've heard my wife say already 06:23 this message is you know could be 06:25 kind of wall to with many many people 06:27 but it's one we need to approach. 06:29 And if you have in a while it'll be good to go over 06:31 because it's a subject that's being going on for oh, 06:34 close to probably 40 years 06:36 and lot of people have no idea-- 06:37 Women's Ordination. 06:39 So we need to really, as soon as we say that 06:41 I noticed they'll be some people 06:42 that'll be a wall that would be put up. 06:44 Don't, don't let that happen. 06:46 You want to, I want to know 06:47 what God's word has to say on it 06:49 when it comes to ordaining women as elders or pastors. 06:53 Now, we're doing at the clear minds, clear hearts 06:56 let God's word speak to us. 06:59 You know, it's good that we read the Bible 07:00 and as we do is we have prayer here in just a moment. 07:04 In Matthew 16:18, it says, 07:07 "Upon this rock I will build my church." 07:10 Now, remember upon this rock I will build my church 07:13 and as you continue on 1 Corinthians 10:4 07:15 says "that rock is Jesus Christ." 07:18 Let's have prayer to gear. 07:19 Let's pray the Holy Spirit 07:21 will lead us and guide us into all truth. 07:24 All preconceived ideas put aside. 07:26 Let's try to balance up the scripture 07:28 and see what God has to say on this subject. 07:30 Will you pray with me please? 07:32 Loving Father in heaven, 07:33 we thank You for the privilege of prayer. 07:36 We thank You that You promised to hear our voice 07:39 and You promised to answer. 07:40 Lord, we want to know what is truth. 07:42 We want to be guided by Your sweet Holy Spirit. 07:45 We want our minds illuminated. We want heaven to speak to us. 07:49 And Lord, we may be approaching some territory today 07:51 that some people just really don't want to. 07:54 And maybe they went so far into it 07:55 that they want to turn back 07:57 but Lord, we do want to hear Your voice 07:59 in regardless of what is taking place 08:01 that we'll listen to Your voice, 08:03 we'll hear Your word 08:04 and that we will so adjust our life 08:06 whatever it takes. 08:08 We thank You for those who watch and those who listen, 08:10 thank You for the sweet promise that thy Holy Spirit now. 08:13 I ask for forgiveness of any sin, 08:15 anything in my heart life that needs not be there 08:18 because I really need to hear from heaven. 08:20 I thank You Lord, for hearing 08:21 for answering prayer in Jesus name, amen. 08:24 Isn't that wonderful 08:25 that we can go to the Lord in prayer? 08:27 Isn't that wonderful we know 08:28 we have a Savior who cares for us, 08:30 a Savior that wants us to know Him 08:32 better and better each and every day 08:34 and the importance of knowing 08:36 what the Bible teaches on certain subjects. 08:40 Because sometime you know we want to please 08:42 where people pleaser rather than God pleasers. 08:45 And so you know we may have 08:46 that you say also right motives. 08:48 But you know we want to please God 08:50 more than we want to please man, don't we? 08:51 So when we talk 08:52 about the subject of Women's Ordination, 08:55 remember we're specifically talking 08:58 about ordaining elders women as elders and pastors. 09:03 I'll mention this as we go. 09:04 But you know Scripture 09:05 doesn't make a difference between elder/pastors. 09:09 So you have to incorporate both of those 09:11 when we talk about the ordaining of. 09:13 Now if there is an ordaining of 09:15 then we need to see it in scripture 09:17 it needs to be consistent, 09:18 there needs to be weight of evidence 09:20 that we can use. 09:21 Now remember some of you it's interesting, 09:23 some people use because when the Bible 09:26 is silent on a subject 09:27 you feel you have every right 09:29 to go any direction that you want to. 09:31 No, that's not so. 09:32 If the scriptures are silent then you need to be silent 09:35 and I need to be silent. 09:37 Oh, that makes sense to you, because we can't project. 09:40 God-- the Bible said 09:41 God reveals those things to us, right, 09:43 that He wants us to know and understand. 09:45 So we have no right and we don't want to do it here 09:47 to go where God hasn't already led 09:49 or had shown us the right direction. 09:51 Now for those of you maybe our new Christians 09:53 we're gonna spend this first. 09:54 This is three parts 09:55 so three hours we're gonna spend on it. 09:57 And so we're gonna examine several different areas 09:59 so if the questions are not answered in the first part 10:03 it's because we're setting up a platform standard. 10:06 Right, we want to look at this and set a real solid platform 10:09 on why we think this is important. 10:12 Now, when you talk to man the new members ordination 10:16 what does it really mean? 10:18 You realize there's some people 10:19 you'll say well, this is so elementary. 10:21 There're people in the world that maybe never heard 10:23 the word ordained and what it really means. 10:27 Now when someone is ordained as it were in the church 10:30 it doesn't mean that anything is 10:32 when you're ordained in hands or laid on 10:34 that any new graces are added or new qualifications are added 10:37 or you know any virtue is added in that. 10:41 But remember Jesus set this all up. 10:44 And so we want to follow it. 10:46 Ordain simply means it set apart. 10:48 It means called, you know, called of God is appointment. 10:53 God has appointed 10:54 and so when we are when we're chosen 10:57 when we appoint and when we set apart 11:00 it actually, is the act of the church. 11:04 An act of what? An act of the church. 11:07 And a person is functioning in that capacity. 11:10 You know, the laying out of hands you hear that lot. 11:12 We're not gonna go into bunch of detail 11:13 but the laying on of hands 11:14 we look at to perform a function 11:17 in behalf of the church. 11:19 So remember when the laying out of hands 11:21 your being set aside to fulfill a certain role 11:24 or a certain function in the church. 11:27 Now remember ordination is an act, it is a commission, 11:32 it's recognizing the call of God. 11:36 And so being ordained by the church 11:38 what does that mean? 11:39 That means the church recognizes you 11:41 and gives you authority 11:42 as it were to serve as a representative. 11:46 And let me make this real clear remember 11:48 God is more is important right, He's most important. 11:51 And that God chooses and God ordains 11:53 and He sends forth. 11:55 And there will be many, many people used in these last days 11:59 who have never been ordained that will finish the work. 12:02 Ordination doesn't mean that you're you may also 12:04 and you're qualified to do something. 12:06 God ordains you and I think 12:08 it's very important for us to realize 12:10 that we can serve God we can serve God 12:14 the calling He put on your life without being ordained. 12:18 So really ordination in the Adventist church 12:21 we will say is simply the Adventist church 12:23 recognizing that you are going to be representative of them. 12:27 So they send okay, you can go and speak in behalf of the Lord 12:31 so they recognize who you are. 12:32 So it's kind of a simple thing then isn't it for us. 12:34 Ordinations, remember we just read 12:37 upon this rock I will build my church. 12:40 So any doctrine, any teaching, 12:42 anything that we do must be build upon what? 12:44 On the rock, the solid rock of Jesus Christ 12:47 and we mentioned Bible says in 1 Corinthians 10:4. 12:50 "And that rock is Christ." 12:54 The Acts of the Apostle page 595 says this. 12:58 "Upon the foundation of Christ Himself had laid, 13:03 the apostles built the church of God." 13:06 See how in harmony, spirit of prophecy 13:08 and the Bible in harmony together 13:09 upon the foundation that rock you see the apostles, 13:13 you know the Jesus lay 13:14 the apostle begin to build the New Testament church. 13:18 You know the question of women's ordination 13:21 you know these elders and there's pastors boy, 13:24 it's almost like dynamite. 13:26 I never see people get so excited about it 13:29 and they will say well, are you know what, 13:30 it's not new we just mentioned to be this is not new. 13:35 It again goes back you know long longer period than this 13:38 but at least 40 years it goes back. 13:40 And some action had been taken 13:42 then we will talk about that in a moment. 13:44 And the question is to me 13:45 is almost like a ticking time bomb. 13:49 People get all excited about it for many. 13:52 It's so many the subjects really 13:54 that many people will not get involved with period 13:57 because, they know its' so wallow. 13:58 So they know that's explosive 13:59 and so they're afraid to even approach it 14:01 but let me tell you 14:03 when you're not approaching something 14:04 you know people who are forced something 14:06 they continue to work and continue to be motivated. 14:09 Some say I don't' want to get involved 14:10 because I'm gonna be misunderstood. 14:13 Now, I'll just tell you right now 14:14 I know when I present this 14:15 and we go two, three hours of this some of you who gonna-- 14:18 now be careful you may be calling me some names. 14:21 But you know what if it's grounded 14:22 and rooted in the Word of God 14:24 listen, don't be calling 14:25 the messenger any kind of names. 14:28 Let's look and say what is this here 14:30 we're looking at what the Bible says here. 14:32 I don't want to be labeled. 14:33 I know you don't want to be labeled. 14:35 I don't want to be called, you know 14:36 they say black balled or you know ousted out 14:39 but we want to see 14:40 what God really has to say on it. 14:43 And again some believe 14:44 silence is the best thing we can do. 14:46 I just be quiet on this thing. 14:48 Is it, remember I just mentioned 14:50 while we're silent many times and this is a problem. 14:53 If I'm on God's people lot of time we become silent 14:56 and again while we are silent the enemy is still working. 14:59 He's still working to continue to push 15:02 what he wants to see take place. 15:04 He is pushing opinions of men. 15:07 He's pushing doctrines and commandments of men. 15:09 We don't want that. 15:10 We want the certain Word of God. 15:13 Wouldn't we-- wouldn't we-- 15:15 let me ask you wouldn't we better 15:17 would be better off if we did 15:19 what John 5:39 tells us to search the scripture. 15:25 For search the scripture with a determination 15:27 to know what is truth. 15:31 A lie is not gonna help you. Side tracking is not good. 15:35 There is always you know consequences to pay. 15:37 So are we not better off to say 15:39 I really want to know what it says. 15:41 And if it doesn't say here I don't want to project 15:42 and other wants to say 15:44 well it seems like we're in ought to. 15:47 And on this subject it's gonna challenge some of you. 15:50 Remember there's lot of steps 15:51 have been taken over these years right here 15:54 and just to simply say you know we're not challenged. 15:56 We are challenged. 15:57 We're challenged to say 15:59 we have been going in the right direction 16:00 or we have not been going in the right direction 16:03 and if we are not going in the right direction 16:04 then we must making about face and that's not easy. 16:09 It's not easy only by the grace of God 16:12 and the love for the truth are we are willing to say 16:14 well, may be we have just acted little too quickly here. 16:17 Now the challenge comes about 16:20 because the Bible first challenges me. 16:21 It's challenged me every time I read it. 16:24 I'm challenged by and I know maybe you're too. 16:27 Because the Bible said first of all Kenny, 16:29 here is what has to be, you must have a willing mind. 16:32 If you read that in 2 Corinthians 8:12. 16:34 First it's going to take 16:36 those of you who are closed mind 16:37 blessed your heart no one rose from the dead 16:39 you're gonna believe anyway. 16:41 But if you have a willing mind to really, really know 16:45 what has been instituted here as scriptural 16:49 and if it is and let's continue on with it 16:51 if not let's correct it. 16:53 Then we must have a willing mind. 16:55 Then we must accept the word with all readiness of mind 16:59 that the Book of Acts 17:11 tells us. 17:03 If we first ever have a willing mind, 17:04 if we just will accept these truth 17:07 with all readiness of mind and heart 17:09 you know what the results will be 17:10 the Bible is clear on that in Philippians 2:2. 17:13 Do you know what it says? 17:14 It said, "We're going to be in one accord 17:16 and we're going to be" what? 17:17 "And one mind." One mind and one accord. 17:20 Is it unity of big part 17:22 of what we're talking about here? 17:23 Any subject that comes up among us 17:25 as God's last day people that divides and separates 17:28 we need a firm foundation. 17:30 We need to be able to stand together 17:32 not let it divide us. 17:35 You know we must desire the quick willing in the sin. 17:39 We must have an eager readiness that Bible talks about. 17:44 And you know what this does. 17:45 This will produce a love for the truth 17:49 in 2 Thessalonians 2:10. 17:51 A love for the truth 17:54 not what we would like the results to be. 17:59 Now I mentioned unity. 18:02 How important is unity to you? How important is unity to me? 18:05 But we know the Bible it's just very, very important. 18:07 God said it's going to be in His church before He comes. 18:11 But you know what happens? This is a key point here. 18:13 A key point we are talking about an ordination right here 18:17 is simply can we be unified on this subject? 18:21 Can we move forward? 18:22 Will we follow what the Bible has to say? 18:24 Or when we hear something that we don't want to hear 18:28 that we begin to refuse it. 18:31 That reminds me so much of remember Steven 18:33 you know when he before he was stoned. 18:36 You know Steven was boy, what a man of God that he was. 18:39 And Steven was defending the truth. 18:43 He was as he was defending the truth. 18:45 He-- you know, what he was doing 18:48 he was defending the truth 18:50 in the front of the priest and the rulers. 18:54 Wow, how heavy that would be today. 18:57 The religious leaders he was defending the truth. 19:00 Wow, you know what happened. 19:04 As these priests and rulers heard this truth 19:07 because they had been doing and teaching other things 19:12 they were filled with hatred and jealousy 19:16 and envy instead of yelling to, 19:19 listen, instead of yelling to the evidences 19:22 they were determined to silence his voice. 19:26 Interesting, you'll realize there'll be people 19:28 who will hear this, who are not in agreement with it. 19:31 They're not going to take scripture, 19:33 they're not going to take spirit of prophecy, 19:34 they're just not going to be in agreement 19:36 and they do exactly what Steven did. 19:37 They may not say well physically 19:39 we're gonna pick a stone of it. 19:40 But they're gonna try to silence the voice. 19:44 Remember, it's not the messenger's voice 19:45 that we're interested in. 19:46 It's voice of God, instead it. 19:48 This is the what so-- so, so very, very important. 19:51 And do you realize when they try to 19:52 when he was telling this truth what they accused him of. 19:58 They said he was preaching 20:00 delusive and dangerous doctrine. 20:04 Some people will say, well, listen delusive 20:06 and dangerous doctrines that's you're preaching. 20:09 We need the silence. 20:11 Instead of that say, what is it that's been said? 20:13 Let's look in the Word of God. 20:15 I can say to you 20:16 this is probably the most sensitive 20:21 and may be the most emotional subject 20:24 that I have ever had to approach 20:26 and I know there's so many different ones 20:28 but I'm talking about personalities 20:30 and people when I say that because of what, 20:32 because of friends, because of family 20:35 but whole views that maybe are different 20:38 than the one that you hold or the one that maybe I hold 20:40 and we don't want to necessarily make anyone 20:43 you know get aggravated with us 20:46 or you know we're not out right to hurt anyone 20:49 but sometime when you disagree people get hurt 20:52 rather, than say I really want to know what this is all about. 20:57 It's hard to tell someone I disagree with you. 21:01 And here is why. 21:04 Because someone what, will get hurt. 21:07 But sometime you know when we think about 21:09 we don't want to be at the same time 21:11 perceived as being you know as intolerant, 21:16 dogmatic some people say. 21:17 You know that's just simply mean 21:19 assertive without approve 21:20 or this is my opinion this is the way it is. 21:23 I don't want you to think along that line today. 21:25 I'm interested in what God says about it. 21:28 What the Holy Spirit-- you will understand 21:29 what I'm saying and I know you're too 21:31 if you really get down to it. 21:34 Many people discuss this subject 21:36 without weighing evidence, without any kind of research. 21:41 And here's what they do many times 21:42 because they don't want to get into themselves 21:44 they ask somebody that should know 21:47 and there is too many people, 21:48 that my opinion that should know 21:51 that's not giving the right advice. 21:54 It comes to the office. It comes I hear these things. 21:58 And I'm saying no wonder why they would give that kind. 21:59 So somebody then wants to study for themselves. 22:01 They ask somebody to suppose to be in the know. 22:05 And then they comment you know 22:08 such illustration they'll say 22:10 well, yeah, but I know my friends doing this job 22:13 and they're doing a good job 22:16 that position must agree with them. 22:19 They say what we see no problem with it. 22:23 You know what, that may be so. 22:26 But it's not whether in this subject 22:29 that a person can do the job or not 22:33 or whether they're doing a great job or not. 22:36 The question goes back to is it biblical. 22:39 Is women's ordination as elders and pastors 22:42 is it really biblical 22:44 regardless if man said that it is and man has done it? 22:48 Is it biblical that's what it comes down to? 22:51 So doing a great job 22:53 and there's not made void the Word of God. 22:56 Being qualified as they say 22:59 does not make void the Word of God. 23:01 Because we can if somebody can do it 23:03 better than somebody else 23:04 doesn't make void the Word of God. 23:08 So you know we can see here as we stay. 23:09 This is not-- you know 23:11 if you want to you know study it 23:13 and come out and say 23:14 this is what I found in the Word of God 23:16 some people are afraid to do it 23:18 because there will be repercussions. 23:21 I don't know about you but you know what, 23:23 I don't to take the repercussions of man 23:25 than repercussions of God anytime. 23:28 Every subject is important, every truth is important 23:32 and I feel this to be faithful to scripture 23:37 has always been the key 23:40 to receiving the blessings of God. 23:42 Did somebody hear that? 23:43 We say well, we received the blessings of God 23:45 you know this is going great this is going good over here 23:47 so it must be the-- 23:48 you know setting the seed here so God must be blessing 23:50 or lot of time God allows us to set in seeds 23:56 and to do things and He is trying to teach us 23:59 and corrects us while we're there. 24:00 It's not because you're doing everything right or I'm doing 24:02 we need to think along this line we need to think. 24:06 Remember, the key to the blessings of God is what, 24:09 being faithful to scripture, being faithful to scripture. 24:14 And then you talk about once we grasp, 24:17 did a whole of it, what the Bible teaches 24:20 can simply just simply say something like-- 24:23 you know, everybody I talk to who say, 24:26 well, thus sayeth Lord and we should. 24:28 But can we simply set aside a thus sayeth the Lord 24:32 once we regress this is the truth 24:34 can we just set it aside 24:36 and say it doesn't matter anymore 24:38 and here is what I hear. 24:39 People say well, I know what it says but-- 24:43 some people will say yeah, 24:44 but you know what culture makes the difference. 24:47 Culture-- remember thus sayeth the Lord and culture 24:51 and what does that simply mean? 24:53 Example, your background 24:56 I hear people say because of my background 24:58 I was born in an other country 25:00 and you know my training I was trained this way. 25:04 And some will say, well 25:05 we call our taste and our habits 25:07 and our practices our skills are concept of something 25:14 a certain class of people or we could even cover 25:18 this is for a certain period of earth's history 25:21 or certain period of time 25:22 even though Bible doesn't say that we might project that 25:25 and this is might be for certain civilization. 25:29 Let me just, you know, today just think we here today 25:33 because of what, because of cultures 25:37 we've come to some conclusions. 25:38 We say because of culture's around the world 25:41 and this may be little hard for some to bear 25:43 but just stay with me for a moment. 25:45 Some churches, some conferences, 25:48 some unions, some divisions 25:50 believe that some-- we're talking about 25:54 some women and ordinating 25:56 and ordination of elders and pastors 25:58 they'll say they're just not ready yet. 26:02 They're not yet ready to go forward 26:06 of ordaining women into the gospel ministry. 26:09 So now just that just opens up a question for me. 26:13 So a group of people say there is, 26:15 this the folks over here 26:17 because of their culture and their background 26:18 and there's some different part of the world 26:20 they're just not ready yet. 26:23 What part is it okay to ask you a question? 26:26 I hope it is. 26:28 You should be asking questions. 26:30 What part does culture play when trying to find out 26:36 what the Bible really says on the subject? 26:39 What part does culture really play? 26:42 You know, may I say this boldly 26:43 and some of you jump off your seats. 26:44 It's so bad. Absolutely, nothing. 26:48 Culture absolutely nothing 26:51 when it comes to the Word of God. 26:52 I will talk little bit more about that. 26:55 I believe this a person who loves and fears 26:57 God will consider what the Scriptures 26:59 reveal regardless of where they're at. 27:02 But we use these excuses sometime. 27:04 Why do we use these excuses? 27:07 Let me give you another illustration here. 27:09 I remember a few years ago 27:10 my wife and I were in other country. 27:12 And we were preaching and teaching 27:15 on this one of the subjects and you know a controversial 27:17 and sometime I get myself in these things. 27:20 And I want to believe this 27:21 because it's a Holy Spirit wants us 27:22 and we're seeing great things happen by the way. 27:24 But we were in this another country 27:25 and we were preaching on you know 27:27 the right kind of dress for a Christian 27:29 and make up and jewelry and all these things 27:32 that people want to fight today. 27:35 And people were interested in what they were hearing 27:39 and the question bit again to come to us real quickly 27:42 and there's you know they said yeah, 27:44 but we are in different country here 27:46 and we have different cultures here in this country 27:48 and we are told that it's okay by this group over here. 27:52 What do you think? 27:54 Oh, my you open a Pandora's Box when you ask me that. 27:58 What do you think? 27:59 Well, my thinking myself is, you know, it's not poured 28:03 what I think but God's Word don't you see. 28:05 Don't you think it's important? 28:06 I do. 28:07 But they say as what do you think about it. 28:10 The answer is really simple, 28:12 you didn't have to go through some theological dissertation 28:16 and try to get somebody now. 28:17 If the answer is very simple it does matter what country 28:21 or what culture or what someone says is okay, why? 28:27 Because we all have the same God, 28:29 because we all have the Holy Scripture, 28:31 because we all have the same Holy Spirit 28:33 that in John 16:13 it says "will lead us into all truth." 28:38 Now somebody could say 28:39 well, I'm insensitive, that's not it. 28:42 The enemy has let us away from that thinking 28:45 that where the Bible condemn something in other country 28:48 because they do whatever the customs 28:50 is its okay to say God's word doesn't mean what it says? 28:53 No. I beg no, it doesn't. 28:57 It's the same God same Holy Spirit, 28:59 same Word of God. 29:02 Holy Spirit, John 16:13 we just mentioned 29:04 this leaders and all truth. 29:07 And sometime we fail here. 29:09 We make exceptions where God doesn't make 29:13 exceptions in order, to please. 29:17 Now think about this with me. 29:18 In order to please many times the powerful. 29:23 In order to please those in high positions. Wow. 29:29 In order to please those with the loudest voices. 29:33 In order my mom always said 29:35 the squeaking wheel get's the oil. 29:36 Is somebody still with me? 29:39 Does somebody that squeaking all of the time 29:41 and so you just kind of let him 29:43 have a certain amount to get them to be quite. 29:46 No, I know none of you would do that, 29:48 okay, but it happens they keep coming back, 29:51 they keep just coming back and pretty soon we'll say oh, 29:54 I know God's word says this but you know that He will, 29:56 He will understand. Yes He will. 29:58 Some of us say well we make exceptions to the rule 30:01 and without even acknowledging it 30:03 because that's where the big money is at. 30:06 Oh, we dare not rebuke somebody with big money. 30:11 Maybe we might feel 30:12 that we're going to loose many people. 30:16 That's church members if we take this stand. 30:19 So we just lower the standard, right, 30:22 and we then you know what we say 30:23 as we lower the standard we call it love intolerance. 30:28 Really, do you love God? 30:30 You're not going to lower standards. 30:31 You're going be raising the standard. 30:32 Remember, my precious friends, faithfulness in Scripture 30:37 to God's Scripture His word is our strength. 30:40 Faithfulness, to God is what? Is our strength. 30:45 Regardless, remember, 30:46 we mentioned here ordination here. 30:47 You don't have to be ordained other than by God. 30:51 God's going to use those who have never been ordained 30:53 to finish the work. 30:54 He probably use more of those and he will-- 30:56 those who have been ordained. 30:59 Mercy, we think about this. We don't have to. 31:02 We can work for God because he calls us to work-- 31:05 faithfulness, in God, faithfulness in Scripture. 31:09 So when it comes to women's ordination 31:14 should we not in order to maintain unity, 31:22 should we not allow? 31:23 And I know this is little touchy 31:24 but oh, I have just-- 31:26 well, I've got to talk about it. 31:29 Should we allow as it were as a governing body? 31:35 Should we not allow each division to decide 31:38 whether they will ordained individually. 31:42 They call qualified individuals 31:44 listen, without regard to gender. 31:49 Did somebody get that? 31:53 Now, you know, but we want to maintain unity 31:56 and we want to get everything all worked out. 31:57 So maybe we all too just let every little division 32:00 every little group decide which way they want to go. 32:03 It's an issue the Bible or it's not. 32:05 It is truth or it's not. 32:07 If it's truth so big, praise God it's wonderful. 32:11 But how can we come to grips to say well 32:14 in order to please and make this group happy. 32:16 If you want to do a go ahead and if you don't over here. 32:18 I'm not trying to be ugly about it. 32:19 I just want you to think along with me. 32:21 Does that sound right? 32:22 Does that match you up with Scripture? 32:23 I don't think so. 32:25 And in fact we have to add those words 32:27 and they've been added in without regard to gender. 32:31 Otherwise it doesn't make any difference. 32:32 What God's word says it does, it does. 32:35 And then I have to say this what sense. 32:38 What sense does it make as a worldwide, 32:43 as a worldwide organization. 32:46 You know, God said His last day 32:47 people they're gonna be worldwide isn't it. 32:49 Praise God for that. 32:50 We need the organization 32:51 and we need the working together, 32:52 we need the unity. 32:54 But it has to be based upon principles of God's word. 32:59 So what sense does it make as a worldwide organization 33:02 then that ministers-- as a minister ordination 33:07 can be restricted to certain areas? 33:10 Did some of you get that? 33:13 Say some ministers are ordained 33:15 but then man says that ordination is restricted 33:19 to certain area over here. 33:21 Did you get what I talked about while ago? 33:23 Go all the what? 33:25 Oh, I heard somebody say 33:26 go all the world and preach the gospel. 33:28 I'm starting to get excited now. 33:29 It's good. 33:30 As a worldwide organization 33:32 I'm just saying does it makes sense 33:33 or trying to make people happy 33:35 or trying to keep people in certain places? 33:39 And I understand you got to be careful 33:42 because you got lot of things going on. 33:45 Lot of different people in the world 33:46 I hear from them trust me. 33:49 But think-- 33:53 You think about how can we be restricted? 33:57 And you say in order to maintain organization 33:59 we have to be restricted. 34:00 And we can only go here. We can go here. 34:02 We go to you know this part of the line and over here. 34:04 You can't go no. You're going to all the world. 34:10 You see we think about does this not open the doors 34:15 when areas are restricted or you ordain this 34:17 and you can only do over here and you cannot. 34:19 Your ordination only pertains to that, that, that. 34:21 Does it not open more doors to more problems? 34:25 It doesn't settle any at all. 34:28 It just simply opens issues that we need to approach. 34:33 We need to settle these things once 34:35 and for all regardless of what side. 34:36 We say, oh, we want to be on God side. 34:39 Let's look at several important facts 34:43 before drawing any conclusions. 34:45 Would you do that with me? 34:46 Let's look at certain facts 34:48 this is the way I want to way it out 34:49 is the facts that we have. 34:52 So we've got to get our mind in. 34:54 So okay, now Lord, I want to hear these things 34:56 and I want to see whether they be so. 35:00 And if they are then I want to follow that. 35:02 But you know some of you are going to say 35:04 yeah, but I've already maybe received that 35:07 or I have already been appointed as a local woman 35:10 of this local elder of this church. 35:13 If it's not scriptural then you need not take that position, 35:17 it's such simple even though you've already been appointed. 35:20 It's okay to say "oh Lord I didn't know that 35:22 but now I understand 35:24 and so I want to do the right thing." 35:26 Do you realize what unity would exist 35:28 among God's last day people if all of us 35:31 spiritual enough that we could say 35:32 "oh, wow, we went this direction 35:34 but we should have been going that way." 35:37 And then explain why. 35:39 Man what respect you could have of that kind of leadership. 35:42 How you want to fall in line and say, 35:43 "oh, praise God, that's wonderful." 35:46 Issues need to be settled. Let's look at several of them. 35:50 Number one, historically. 35:53 Number one, historically as a people 35:56 we did not have women elders. 36:02 Not picking on-- we did not it's either truth or it's not. 36:05 Historically speaking we did not have women elders. 36:08 Many served in several important roles 36:12 my wife mentioned so many important roles 36:15 and they did it without ordination. 36:19 We're going to explain these in parts 2 and 3-- 36:21 much more than we are today. 36:22 So we're just not even scratching it. 36:24 I'm just trying to convince you 36:25 by the power of the Holy Spirit right now 36:27 that we need to be open to the Holy Spirit, 36:30 we need to hear the spirit of the living God. 36:32 And say God, whatever you say that's what I want to do. 36:35 I want to follow You. 36:36 That's what the blessings are at. 36:38 That's where I can receive these blessings. 36:42 So many wonderful jobs and I say this-- 36:45 I realize in the church and the organization 36:48 and some of the job that's done, 36:49 women do a whole lot better job than men do. 36:52 But I'm saying is it scriptural 36:53 here women's ordination as elders and pastors. 36:56 Not talking about many of them 36:57 I'm talking about two specific things 36:59 which really is one, ordination of. 37:04 Now think about historically speaking for years 37:08 some have been working 37:10 I want to say behind the scenes 37:11 and of course it eventually comes out. 37:14 Let me go back and I said 37:15 at the beginning across the 40 years 37:18 that would evidences of things that took place. 37:20 But you know there are years prior to that 37:21 there was lot of talk that's going on. 37:23 Let's go back to the year shall we, 1975. 37:27 It was voted on to allow-- 37:29 listen-- women to be ordained as local elders. 37:36 Local, so they put their ordination into 37:40 maybe this the one little local church here. 37:43 Why, if you ordained by God or ordained by the church 37:48 but they said local elders. 37:51 And then that seem to quite the stem tight for a little bit 37:55 but then in 1984 the annual counsel reaffirmed 38:02 and opened it up a little bit wider 38:04 than it had been before 38:06 with churches wishing to ordain. 38:10 So you see it was it, it was just local 38:12 and then more people more ladies. 38:18 Said oh, let's open a little bit wider 38:20 so anyone wishing to-- 38:23 now again is it biblical or is not. 38:25 That's not that it, are we wish, 38:26 we want to hold it, were you qualified 38:28 and we're schooled it has nothing to do 38:29 we're educated, it has nothing to do with that. 38:33 It has do whether it's biblical or not. 38:36 And so as we, we see the now we're it's leading us 38:39 into the discussion of women's ordination. 38:43 Remember, first it was local 38:45 and then it opened up to 38:47 many by that it kind of wants to 38:50 and then from that aspect it went. 38:51 So that's the way it always works. 38:53 It's always progressing. 38:54 It starts out a little bit and then pretty soon. 38:55 Now it's to the point of ordaining elders, 38:59 women elders and women pastors. 39:01 And remember what I said 39:03 "slash" if no difference in scripture 39:05 you can't find different definition. 39:07 So I think that's very important 39:08 for us to realize. 39:10 Now why did I remember why did I put it like this. 39:12 You know elders and elder and pastor 39:15 because again what scripture doesn't make 39:17 a difference between the two. 39:19 And now we jump up in 1994 at the annual counsel. 39:24 A request was made to the General Conference 39:26 to let each division decide whether or not to listen, 39:32 ordain qualified women without regard to gender. 39:38 Now you'll say, oh, well somebody go, 39:40 oh, that's wonderful it's not but well think with me. 39:43 Now why has it come to this point? 39:46 It's causing quite amount of disunion. 39:50 Lot of people there's lot of talk going on. 39:52 You may not be around. But I'm telling you. 39:54 There is and because you've got 39:58 some that are happy and some that are unhappy 40:00 we're trying to please everybody 40:02 rather than say what does God's Word says 40:04 this is where we stand. 40:06 This is where we're going to stand. 40:07 This is what God's Word says. 40:09 Why can't we do that regardless of the outcome of-- 40:11 I'm saying let's stand on God's Word. 40:15 Remember it wasn't settled that's why these steps 40:17 and now this came about 40:18 because we allowed women to be ordained 40:21 what first as local elders but listen but not as pastors. 40:26 So how can you ordain the local elder 40:28 and then you can't you won't ordained them as a local pastor 40:31 because they're one in the same in Scripture 40:33 elders and pastor. 40:34 See, it's another problem there. 40:36 Because now you have the women elders 40:39 and now they're saying what. 40:40 Well, there's no difference so I should be a pastor. 40:43 I should be ordained as a pastor. 40:46 See situation just becomes so difficult 40:50 because now we must either allow that means what? 40:58 Go forward just accept what is already taken place 41:02 or I'm gonna use this word 41:03 that you don't want to hear we have to recant. 41:08 And my it's been an awful lot of years 41:10 and there's a lot of things that have went on. 41:15 So either we're to the point now 41:16 that we have to allow it 41:18 but remember when you allow what is already taken place 41:21 means that what, there is going to be more growth 41:24 and that's where we're at today. 41:27 Because we haven't setting precedence. 41:28 We haven't set this is the issue 41:30 this is the way that the Bible teaches. 41:32 And what we're going to have to what? 41:34 We're going to have to recant. 41:36 Now remember when you recant what does that do? 41:39 Well, some people say, well, it destroys. 41:42 They'll say what? It destroys our credibility. 41:46 Lot of people in the world and not only in the church 41:48 we never to admit them maybe we've made a mistake 41:51 or maybe we went the wrong direction. 41:52 And you know we'll say 41:54 well maybe our heart was in the right place 41:55 we meant well but we didn't line up with scripture 41:58 we didn't see it then but now we see it. 42:00 So wouldn't it be better say, well, I see that now right now. 42:03 Oh, my maybe we should recant. 42:09 I'm telling you this my brothers and sisters 42:11 to recant on something that maybe we have done. 42:14 And that's not Scriptural. 42:15 You're not going to loose credibility. 42:18 You're going to gain it. 42:21 Because people are going to see that as a people of God 42:23 that want to do the right thing 42:25 and they're going to get behind that. 42:28 And I remind you again any deviation 42:33 from the truth of God will be disastrous. 42:38 It will be-- any what? 42:42 I can't say it enough 42:43 because I realize some people are not grasping it. 42:46 Any deviation from the truth is going to be disastrous. 42:50 It may not be that moment 42:52 as we see these things been leading up for years. 42:56 And it has continue to progress until it was causing 42:58 you know division among God's people. 43:04 So if women can be ordained as elders, 43:10 if they can then they can be ordained as pastors. 43:14 That makes sense doesn't it? 43:15 If they can then sure they can be. 43:17 If Scripture allows. 43:22 If it is unbiblical we must oh, 43:26 I beg we must change our position. 43:29 We must line up with the Word of God 43:33 regardless of the cost. 43:36 God's-- you know God has a blueprint here for us 43:41 and that blueprint must be followed 43:43 without any kind of compromise. 43:46 I feel, I think, they're good, 43:49 it's wonderful, it's a best. 43:51 What does God's Word say? 43:53 This is what caused so much grief in this world 43:56 and causes among us today. 43:59 We have people who think well, its okay. 44:02 What does God's word say about it? 44:06 And if it's in God's word 44:07 and it is then it should be clear. 44:09 He doesn't just reveals He reveals to us. 44:13 If you want to study deep enough, 44:14 if you can get rid of your preconceived ideas of what 44:18 well it seems like it ought to emotions 44:20 and feelings and that, that the. 44:22 No, what does God's word say? 44:25 If we're wrong then God help us 44:26 we need to change our position, 44:28 we need to line up with the Word of God. 44:30 This is what I say. Right, there is a blueprint. 44:32 Let's follow that blueprint 44:34 and know without any type of compromise. 44:38 We cannot compromise the Word of God. 44:42 Now I will say this "I'm sure all of us agree. 44:45 I'm sure we all agree with that. 44:46 Oh, that's exactly right." 44:48 Do you know what? I will say this. 44:50 Your heart will soon be revealed. 44:53 You just said you just thought "oh I do I want to know. 44:57 And if it's what God said 44:58 then you know what your heart is going to be revealed 45:00 in little while as we do these studies. 45:03 As we really dealt in 45:04 and really begin to uncover some things. 45:07 But true unity, true harmony in the church, 45:10 comes about because we live in and we agree on truth. 45:17 Does that makes sense? 45:18 Unity comes did you get the church 45:20 comes about because we agree on and in truth. 45:24 As so long as I wonder 45:26 it's not unity the enemy is present. 45:28 So how can we continue to go on and on and on and on 45:31 and just well they think the way they want, 45:32 this division can do what they way, 45:34 they do what they want. 45:35 Why can't we come up with the thus sayeth the Lord 45:37 and say this is what the Bible says. 45:41 I don't want to be too difficult for you 45:43 but I want to please think 45:45 we must unity real unity man, sayeth the third time comes 45:50 because we agree on and in truth. 45:54 And we're willing to let our little selfish thoughts 45:56 and what we think are to happen 45:57 and because of the issue of ordination of women 46:03 raises a lot of questions and they need to be answered. 46:06 They should be answered. 46:07 But they have to be answered according to the Word of God. 46:09 We guess we have some time to go into few of those. 46:11 Let's just do but number one of four, five, six, seven-- 46:14 here let's go in according to the time that we have. 46:17 This we know. I stand on this. 46:21 This we know. 46:23 There is no, record of any women 46:28 being ordained as an elder or pastor 46:31 in the New Testament. 46:33 Somebody didn't get that. 46:36 There is no record of any women being ordained 46:40 as elder or pastor in the New Testament. 46:44 Second point, in the Old Testament 46:48 women were never ordained as priest. 46:53 See there is reasons for all these. 46:54 Somebody would say "oh, it's the time in which live. 46:56 And that's the way they were educated." 46:58 I want you to say keep your mind and heart open 47:01 there are reasons why. 47:04 Three, Jesus-- 47:07 Jesus did not appoint a single woman 47:12 to be an apostle, a disciple. 47:15 Disciple we have many men and women, apostle. 47:18 Never one. 47:19 Even though they were present and around Him 47:23 and played such an important vital role 47:26 in getting the Gospel preached to the world. 47:30 A vital role they played but it's interesting here 47:33 Jesus did not appoint a single women. 47:36 Men were in the New Testament, right, 47:39 ordained as elders and pastors but all of the sudden 47:41 now it's like the New Testament doesn't mean anything. 47:45 Let's go just a little bit deeper. 47:48 It deserves some thinking here. 47:51 You remember what a disciples 47:52 there was a time coming where that came 47:54 when that was one that needed to be replaced 47:56 do you remember that. 47:57 I sure you do. That going into One Apostle. 48:00 Acts Chapter 1 talks about that. 48:02 And with when this appointment came to 48:06 appointment of one who had left 48:09 a male was chosen. 48:14 There were women present at that time at that meeting 48:17 in Acts Chapter 1 48:18 but a male was still chosen to replace the one who is left. 48:25 These are worth thinking about. 48:26 There's a reason. 48:27 Remember, the Bible there're examples 48:29 for us to follow. 48:31 Five, gets heavy duty, 48:33 oh we're get lot more heavy duties 48:34 as we get into this but listen 48:36 Paul's letter interesting I think about there's a lot. 48:41 People love Paul. 48:43 They love to talk about it 48:44 except when they don't want to hear something. 48:47 Then they say how confusing he is 48:48 and why didn't but isn't just plain language 48:51 where we can understand it. 48:52 Just give us simple English. You ever heard that. 48:56 Well, if we just said it simply he'll know how. 48:57 You know, Paul 48:58 and I've heard all kinds of excuses about this. 49:00 And I'll think I've probably made some in times past. 49:03 But notice what Paul says it. 49:04 Now listen, I'm not going to go into detail 49:06 we don't have time today. 49:07 But I will on this verse. 49:09 Now let me just read it to you. 49:11 1 Timothy 2:12, now remember Paul writing to Timothy 49:16 and to Titus-- it contained information-- listen, 49:21 it contained information that only men could function 49:25 or hold the office of an elder or pastor. 49:30 Only, now either he was oh, be careful. 49:33 He is either out of his mind. 49:35 He was even not led by the Holy Spirit or he was. 49:40 Information he gives does not allow a women 49:42 to fulfill that office. 49:45 And you will see as we study on the reasons why. 49:48 In fact, he said it seems rather harsh. 49:53 Paul said this in 1 Timothy 2:12. 49:56 He said, "But I suffer not a woman to teach." 50:03 And then he goes on. 50:07 "Nor to allow usurp authority over the man." 50:10 Assume that, 50:12 "Over the man, but to be in silence." 50:16 What does that mean? 50:18 Usurp authority to assume authority 50:22 over the man but to be in silent. 50:24 You'll say hear 50:25 that's some thing is wrong with this guy. 50:26 All the other time you read these writings 50:27 oh, how wonderful he is. 50:28 You know man, they did not communicated 50:30 with Christ Himself. 50:32 He was led by the Holy Ghost. 50:33 He was ordained by the Holy Spirit first 50:36 but because Paul would had a worldwide work 50:38 as it were in where he was at. 50:39 What happened? 50:41 He had an ordination of men too. 50:44 But all of the sudden here wasn't to be bit silent 50:47 and then he gives you couple of reasons over these 50:49 we will dissect as we go. 50:50 So please just don't turn it off. 50:53 Now he either said I suffer not a woman to teach, 50:55 or to you have authority over the man 50:57 but being silence. 51:00 And then in verse 13, same chapter. 51:02 He gives a reason why-- he says 51:03 "For Adam was first formed, and then Eve." 51:07 And then verse 14 he says "Adam was not deceived, 51:11 but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 51:16 So he gives two reasons 51:17 for why he is making this statement. 51:19 He either is another guidance of the Holy Spirit 51:21 or he is not. 51:22 Let's not try to make excuses 51:23 and try to say well that's the way 51:25 it was in the day and... 51:29 A woman being deceived was in transgression. 51:33 Do we really believe today that Jesus Christ 51:36 is the one who organized the New Testament Church? 51:39 We just read when we start, do you remember, 51:41 from this rock I will build my church. 51:43 The rock is Jesus Christ. Oh, yeah. 51:47 And we realize as Jesus build or organized this church 51:51 He chose as representatives, He chose as leaders, 51:55 He chose leaders and He gave them authority 51:58 to speak in His name. 51:59 Do you remember reading those things? 52:01 Sure, Matthew 16:18-19-- Ephesians 4:11-13. 52:07 Jesus organized the first church. 52:11 The New Testament church interesting. 52:15 So as He organizes we look about 52:17 you know any then deviation from this Gospel order 52:21 can and will cause dissension. 52:24 So wouldn't it be saved? 52:26 Somebody stay when they wouldn't it saved 52:28 if we follow the way that Christ set up the church. 52:31 Wouldn't it be saved rather than making excuses and-- 52:39 Acts of the Apostles page 87 says this. 52:41 It brings out to me it's real good food for thought 52:44 concerning the time of Pentecost 52:47 and the unity that existed. 52:50 Notice what it says. 52:51 It says, "Despite the former prejudices 52:54 all were in harmony with one another. 52:57 Satan knew that so long as this union right 53:01 continued to exist, 53:03 he would be powerless to check 53:05 the progress of the gospel truth." 53:07 See the enemy knows this today too 53:09 as long as there is unity among the believers 53:13 the enemy cannot hold back the gospel. 53:17 He saw to take advantage of I'm reading on 53:20 former habits of thought in the hope 53:25 therefore he might be able to introduce 53:27 notice in to the church elements of disunion." 53:32 New teachings so what did the enemy. 53:36 He is seen that as we work together 53:38 and we have unity that we can stick together 53:40 that he cannot prohibit the Gospel 53:42 from going to all over the world. 53:44 But so then he begins to introduced. 53:46 You know remember former habits and thoughts 53:50 of those who may be belonged to another church 53:52 or another denomination and he wants to bring those in 53:55 and all of the sudden we are starting to hear 53:56 some new teachings. 54:01 Praise God for everybody that He is bringing in. 54:04 Praise God for all of those people 54:06 but listen there is a word of caution quickly 54:08 before we have our prayer here. 54:10 Many people who come in to this movement today 54:13 they bring in with them some baggage 54:16 of their former believes of their church. 54:19 The style, the thought, the words, the phrases. 54:22 You know and eventually things are said like this, 54:25 well, we used to do this in our my old church. 54:31 Again does that line up with God's word 54:34 if not let's leave it behind. 54:36 He's called you out of that. 54:39 Now if that in mind we're gonna have to end 54:40 because our time is running out. 54:42 That's the just the first part we're getting into it. 54:44 It get's deeper and maybe more difficult for some 54:46 but hopefully it will be more enlightening. 54:48 Now I want you to pray with me right now 54:50 that our hearts and minds will be open to receive that 54:52 which God has in mind. 54:54 So we can't just have 54:56 what we wanted to be a certain way. 54:58 We look at the New Testament church 55:00 and how Jesus set it up and we want to follow that. 55:02 We get a more depth in that but let's pray about it now 55:04 that our hearts and minds will be opened to receive 55:06 that which we've heard. 55:08 Merciful Father in heaven, 55:09 we thank You for Your precious word. 55:10 We thank You that you set the example 55:12 and so we need to follow in Your footsteps. 55:14 And as we love You and we want to serve You 55:16 so we pray your Holy Spirit 55:17 now we'll continue to impress us 55:19 the need to follow your word 55:21 regardless of what the majority may do. 55:23 We love You and we want to follow You. 55:25 Help us now and we pray that things we have heard 55:27 that we may be decipher them by the Holy Spirit 55:29 in Jesus name we pray and for His sake, amen. 55:33 Now praise the Lord. 55:34 We're always glad that you spend sometime with us. 55:36 We enjoy 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