Like to welcome you
to Battles of Faith.
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My name is David Shin and I
am here with Steve Wohlberg,
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who is a Speaker
Director of White Horse Media.
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We are going
through the series thus far,
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series of the 13,
it's been quite a journey,
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and so we haven't talked
lot about White Horse Media.
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So, why don't you
tell our viewing audience
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little bit more about
your ministry there in Fresno,
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California? Sure, just
briefly we are in Fresno.
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We are kiwi ministry,
we have chosen the name of
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White Horse Media
because of Revelation 19.
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It talks about Jesus
coming on a white horse
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and we are inspired by
that, and Christ is the center
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of the ministry because
he is the writer and our goal
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is to help people to
get ready for his return,
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and that's what
is all about. So,
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we do this through the
Internet. We have a website
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whitehorsemedia.com.
We have books seminars,
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DVD's and radio
programs and lot of things
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and we are just
trying to reach out and share
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Gods love and
truth into a lost world.
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So, if they wanted to
find out more information
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they go to
www.whitehorsemedia.com.
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Yes, that's it
whitehorsemedia.com.
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Alright, so today's topic
is the love of power versus
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the power of love. Am I correct?
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Yes, that's it we
are in a power battle,
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the power struggle,
cosmic forces are at work.
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And it's really no
secret for those that dealt
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into the whole arena of
the occult and witchcraft
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and magic that the
appeal, we can say the lure
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of the craft today
is the appeal of power,
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the lure of power, the
people are looking for power,
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they want power and
witchcraft claims to offer
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people that power
to really do almost
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whatever they want to
accomplish their will,
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that's what witchcraft is
about. It's about accessing
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supernatural power to
do what you want to do.
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And Bible talks lot about
this and it's in the book of,
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Book of Acts, we've
been going through different
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passages in this Series called
Magic Ghosts and the Bible,
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and I would like to just
start out by going to Acts
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Chapter 8. David we
looked at this before,
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and I just wanna redirect
attention to the issue of power
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because that's
what happening here.
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Acts Chapter 8 Verse 9
talks about a certain man,
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his name was Simon.
Acts 8 Verse 9 and he used
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sorcery it says, and
he bewitched the people of
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Samaria with his
sorceries and he called himself
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some great one. People
considered him to be a great,
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great man. In Verse 10,
it says that they all gave
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heed to him from the
least to the greatest saying
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this man is the great
power of God. He is the
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great power of God. Now
it's interesting that and
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when you read this
chapter. What's happening
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is Simon Magus, the
sorcerer, who is in Samaria.
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All the sudden he begins
to witness the power of God
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working through the Apostles.
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The Apostles are
laying hands on people,
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and God's power is
coming through the Apostles
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to reach the people, and
Simon looks at this and he is,
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he is very intrigue by
this and he wants that power.
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And so in Verse, Verse
18, he offers the apostles
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money and then in
verse 19 he said give me
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also this power, I want it
because really that's what,
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that's what witchcraft
and sorcery is all about.
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The problem with the occult
is that they don't realize
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the source of that power.
They think generally speaking
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in witchcraft that the
power comes from nature,
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it comes from the
spirits of nature,
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it comes from the
moon, and from the trees,
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and the force, and
the earth, and the wind,
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and the fire, and they
don't realize according
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to the Bible that they
are really two cosmic powers
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out there. There is a
good power and a bad power,
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and the power of evil,
the power ultimately of Satan
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and the Devil. And as we
have discussed this before
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those are into
witchcraft, don't believe there
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is a Satan and so
they are not looking,
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they are not concerned about
watching out for that power
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I think there is almost
a curiosity that's involved
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with this power and I
think it's also natural to human
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nature to desire power.
It's inherent within us from
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I guess almost a corner
perspective that we desire
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a power even money is power,
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we think that fame is
power, perception is power,
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and this is one of
those elements if you can tap
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into the supernatural
side that there is an element,
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first you are amazed that
exist and then you are like
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while maybe this
power can help me to achieve
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certain things in this
life. That's right and they wish
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to clarify, it's not
entirely wrong to want power.
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Okay. It just depends
on what you wanted for.
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Okay. Because we all need power.
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We are all in the
world of sin and the world
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of temptations and
battles and trials,
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and problems and we need
power to help us to cope.
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Power to overcome and
to rise above the things
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that comes our way and so,
but what we need to realize
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and this is a very crucial
distinction is that there
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are two powers. There
is Gods power and there
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is the Devils power,
and we need to make sure
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that we are tapping
into the right power for the
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right reasons. Now
let's go to Acts chapter 26,
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let's take a look at
another passage same chapter
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of same book that
talks about Simon Magus,
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who people thought was
the great power of God,
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who said give me
this power, I want power.
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Well here let's take a
look at this Acts 26 verse 18,
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Jesus had just
spoken to Paul from heaven,
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he knocked him down, his
name was Saul on the road
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to Damascus, his name
was then changed to Paul,
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and Jesus gave him
a commission to go out
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into the world and
to spread the knowledge
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of the truth. And in
Verse 18, Jesus told Paul
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I am sending you
to open their eyes,
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that's the eyes of
the people of the world,
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and to turn them
from darkness to light,
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that's crucial, and
from and notice David,
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it says from the
power of Satan to where.
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To God. To God. That's rights
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that they may
receive forgiveness of sins
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and an inheritance among
them, which are sanctified
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by faith that is in me. So,
this verse talks about power.
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There is power, and
but as you look closely
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and this is where
Jesus wanted Paul to go out
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and open people
eyes. People need to have
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their eyes open to
this. They don't in witchcraft
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they just think there is
just one power out there,
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and they can get that
power and then channel
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it for their own
purposes. This verse says that
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our eyes need to be
opened and their eyes need
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to be opened that
there are two powers,
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two contending powers.
One of them is the power
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of Satan and the
other is the power of God.
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And it's very significant
when you look closely
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at this text. Jesus said
to open their eyes and to turn
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them from darkness to
light, and from the power
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of Satan to God, and
that shows that Satan's power
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is associated with
darkness. Okay. It's not,
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it's not light, it's
dark, and I have done a lot
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of research on this and
I have done this because
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I want to know the truth
about what I am talking about.
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I don't want to
just you know speculate,
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I want to know
what the Bible says
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and I wanted to be
accurate in my communication
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about the subject and
from what I have read not only
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in Satan's power in
dark, but it's also cold.
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It is a cold power
and I am going to share
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some illustrations on
that in just a minute.
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Okay, so what you
mean by cold. Alright,
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now we have just talk
little bit about some of the
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contrast between God's
power and Satan's power,
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and one of the characteristics
that Satan's power
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is dark and you said it's
cold. Now what do you mean
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by cold, do you mean
temperature cold or do
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you mean I don't know
about different type of cold,
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but it's definitely
little bit of a contrast there.
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Yes, I do mean temperature
cold. Temperature cold.
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Yes and I will
illustrate that. We can put up
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on the screen here a
photograph of a book written
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actually written by a
ghost. It's called Seth Speaks
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and we can see just a
little line from that book.
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It says "I do not
have a physical body,
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yet I am writing
this book." In the 1960s,
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a ghost name Seth
entered into the body of a woman
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name Jane Roberts, who
was, she and her husband
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were playing with the
Ouija board in New York
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and this ghost eventually
began to write books through
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Jane Roberts, and these
are called the Seth material,
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the Seth books. And
from, if you do your homework
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on this Seth's books
really literally practically
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launched the new age
movement and there is just
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a lot of information about
this being and what happened
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in this apartment, and
people came in and actually
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studied what was going
on, and they took notes
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and did investigation, and
we talked about this briefly
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that when you look at
the Seth dictated books.
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We talked about this
before, that's right,
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and then you look at
the books that Jane Roberts
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herself wrote.
They are very different,
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that there was a
real being in Satan.
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He did actually enter
this woman and she has become
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one of the most
famous mediums in history.
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I certainly don't
recommend that you read
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any of her books.
Sure. And I'm just using this
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as an illustration.
This is fascinating.
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Let me just tell
you this quick story,
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that one Seth first
began to entered this woman.
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He gave certain
signs to demonstrate,
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who he was that he
was really a real ghost.
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Robert Butts was
Jane's husband and they were
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sitting there, and the
Seth spirit told Robert
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to look at Jane's arm and
her arm became like a paw,
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and then the Satan
ghost told Robert to reach out
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and touch Jane's arm. And
this is what Robert testified.
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It says here that
Butts cautiously touched
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Jane's hand and it felt
very cold, wet and clammy.
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And when I read about
that, I just thought you know
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there is an example right
there of this ghost coming
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into this woman's
body, her arm changes,
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it's really a rather
scary scene, and her arm
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becomes cold, wet and
clammy, and looks like a paw.
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Now that's one example.
Let me give you another one.
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You can put another
book on the screen here.
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This is a best selling author,
her name is Sylvia Browne.
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She wrote this book
"Visits from the Afterlife."
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You can take it off
now. She is one of the most
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well-known mediums of this
day. She is a modern medium.
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She has been on
the talk shows circuit.
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She has written many
books. She is New York
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Times Best Seller and
you mentioned sometime ago
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that you happened to
turn on the TV one day,
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that's right, and
you saw Sylvia Browne.
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She was on, what show was that?
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Montel Williams Show.
The Montel Williams Show,
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that's right. She is
a regular guest on the
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Montel Williams Show.
Montel Williams is the talk
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show host and people
watch this program around
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the world. Well it's interesting
in the book that I just
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showed on the
screen. We just showed
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"Visits from the
Afterlife." At the very end
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Sylvia Browne tells
very interesting ghost story
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about how she was
invited to by CBS to head out a
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documentary on whether
the Queen Mary was haunted.
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I have been actually
been on the Queen Mary.
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It's a big boat parked dock
off the coast of Long Beach,
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California and I
have been on that boat,
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and Sylvia Browne was
on that boat with the full
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television crew. And
Montel Williams was there with
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her because he was
pretty much in charge of this
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documentary and whether
the Queen Mary was haunted.
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Well anyway they, they
are looking around the ship
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and the cameras were
rolling and they go down
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to the lower level, and
Montel Williams is there
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and the crew is
there, and all the sudden
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Sylvia Browne looks
around, and she sees this,
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this ghost that nobody
else sees, but she sees it.
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And it's
dancing around the room.
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And Montel Williams
just kind of looking and just
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wondering if this
lady really furious like,
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she is crazy. And at
one point the Sylvia tells
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the ghost Mary to
stop right in front of them
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and this is what she
describes. She told Mary to
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standstill, the ghost
name was Mary to standstill.
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She said I took my
host by the hand that was
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Montel Williams and he
was brave enough not to
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hesitate even though
he did not have a clue
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what I was about to
do. And then without a word
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I simply walked him
right through Mary's ghostly
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body through the spirit
that she saw, that she thought
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was a dead person. And
then she says I'll never forget
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how huge his eyes
were after he stepped
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through her. Did
you feel that I asked?
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It was rhetorical
question and she said I looked
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at him and I could
tell he felt it for sure.
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And then he said feel
it, how could I not feel it.
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Whatever it was,
it was freezing cold.
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And then she said I
decided to play the Devils'
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advocate well to be
fair it is chilly down here
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at the lower deck
of the Queen Mary.
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And then he shook his
head, Montel Williams,
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and said not like
that. That wasn't any kind
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of cold I've
every felt in my life.
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It went all through
me right down to my bones
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in that one spot
that you walk me through.
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Wow. Now when I read that,
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I thought you know wow! here's,
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here is a ghost and Sylvia
is taking Montel and walking
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him through that
ghost, which he doesn't see,
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but she sees and as
soon as he hits that,
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he is just freezing.
Satan's power is cold.
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I believe that spirit was
a demon and that this woman
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is involved in
communication with demons,
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although she doesn't
know it. Now here is one more
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quick example. Let's
go back on the screen
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and put the book by
Allison DuBois called
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"Don't Kiss Them Good-Bye."
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This woman and we
can take that off now.
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Allison DuBois is a
best selling author in
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New York Times Best
Seller. She is the inspiration
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behind the NBC TV Series medium,
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which is being
watched by people all around
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the world. It's
just, it's a big show.
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It's won
awards. It's won awards.
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It's about a woman, who
talks to the dead people
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and Allison DuBois is the
real person behind the show.
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She is a real
medium. She has been on TV.
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She has just been, she
has done a lot of things.
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Well anyway, her book
that I just showed there
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"Don't Kiss Them Good-Bye."
In that book, she describes
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what happens to her
when she is about to go
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into a reading with the person,
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where she is supposedly
talking to a dead person
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or getting
information from the dead person
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and then sharing
it with the sitter,
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who she is
giving the reading to.
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And she said here
"When I am preparing
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for a private
reading, I know the other side
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is churning around
me when my hands quickly
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become freezing. I
refer to this as holding hands
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with the other side. So
Jane Roberts encountered
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with the Seth's
spirit turned her hand cold
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and clammy. The
reason why Montel Williams
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has Sylvia Browne on
his program, is because
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he walked through a
ghost and he was just chilled
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to his bone, and Sylvia Browne,
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I mean Allison DuBois
says the same thing that her
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hands become freezing
whenever she is involved
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with the spirits. And
these are all just examples
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of how the and my point
is that the power of Satan
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is dark and
it's cold. It's cold.
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It's freezing up.
One more quick example,
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I share with you
before my friend Pam,
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who has come out of witchcraft.
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She was into
witchcraft. She came out of it
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and she wrote me an
e-mail and she said this.
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She said I could always
feel when she was involved
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in the occult. When an evil
presence was coming over me,
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it's all of a sudden like
your thoughts become dark,
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your emotions are muted
you can't feel your emotions,
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and then you feel
like you are all powerful,
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you know all powerful.
And that is what sorcery
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and witchcraft is
all about, is that power.
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But it's a dark
power, it's a cold power,
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it's an, it's an evil
power, and it's not the power
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that God wants us to
experience. In the Bible,
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we have already read
in Acts 26:18, God wants
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to open our eyes, the
people eyes in the world,
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who are mixed up in these
things and he wants to turn
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them from darkness to light,
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and from the
power of Satan to God.
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Now let's take a
look at another passage.
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First Corinthians,
Chapter 1 Verse 18.
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First Corinthians 1:18,
God's power is very different
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from Satan's power and
that's the power he wants us
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to have, alright, and
that's the power he wants
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working through this
programs, God's good power.
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In First
Corinthians 1:18 and David
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I think I'll let
you read that text.
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Okay, so First
Corinthians 1:18, correct,
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for the message of
the cross is foolishness
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to those who are perishing,
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but to us who are being
saved it is the power of God.
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Right now, notice it
says it is the power of God,
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and where is God's
power centered according
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to this text.
It says the message
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of the cross. Right
the message of the cross.
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God's power is
revealed through the message
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of the cross. Now if
you turn to John 3:16,
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which is one of the most
famous verses in the Bible.
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I love this passage,
it talks about the cross,
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doesn't use the word
cross, but it talks about
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the message and it
reveals that the message
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of the cross is
centered in God's love.
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John 3:16, Jesus said
for God so loved the world
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that he gave his
only begotten Son,
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that whosoever believed
in him should not perish,
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but have everlasting
life. This is so important.
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The power of God is
centered in his love that
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is revealed in him giving
his son to die on the cross
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of Calvary for
the sins of the world.
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And in my life what
really reached me the message
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of that love, the
message of that good news
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reached me when I
saw the struggle between
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the father and the son
in the garden of Gethsemane
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as Jesus was wrestling
with the powers of darkness
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and with the choice
whether he was gonna
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give his life that's a sacrifice
for my sins and for the sins
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of everybody else.
And let's just take a look
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at that also.
Matthew Chapter 26,
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this passage is what
really reached me 28 years ago.
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I was lost in Hollywood,
lost in the life of drugs,
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and just crazy living
searching for the power
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of the world and God's
power got a hold of me.
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And this was
the sin that did it.
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In Matthew Chapter 26
Verse 36, the Bible says
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"Then cometh Jesus
with them to a place
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called Gethsemane and
said to the disciples sit here
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while I go over there and pray."
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And he took with him
Peter and the two sons
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of Zebedee, and he
began to be sorrowful
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and very heavy. And
then he said to them,
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my soul is exceeding
sorrowful, even to death,
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teary here, and watch with me.
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And then verse 39,
he went a little further
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and fell on his
face and he prayed,
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and he said Oh! My
Father, here is the son,
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the son of the
God agonizing and pray
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before his father.
Father if it is possible,
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let this cup pass
from me. Nevertheless,
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now look at that
David. Nevertheless,
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not as I will but as
you will. Now here is
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the difference, one difference,
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there are many
differences between Christianity
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and the craft, and witchcraft.
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Witchcraft wants
power to do your own will.
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Okay. And in this
scene in Gethsemane Jesus
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is praying and he is
saying father not my will,
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but your will be done
and that reveals his love
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that he was willing to yield
his will, yield his life, yield,
00:19:06.04\00:19:10.61
yield everything in
order to ultimately to save us.
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And in the
Bible in Christianity,
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we surrender our will
like Jesus did to receive
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God's power to do
his will. In witchcraft
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they want to get
power to do their own will
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and there is a major
difference that's witchcraft
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or selfcraft, and we
may not be practicing
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witchcraft, but if we
are doing our own will,
00:19:33.84\00:19:36.11
we are really practicing
selfcraft, and Christianity
00:19:36.14\00:19:39.82
is giving up our will
to receive God's power.
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And the supreme example
of that is Jesus himself
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doing that wrestling
with that and finally praying
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Father not my will,
but your will be done,
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and God's will was
for him to go to the cross
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as a manifestation of
his love, so he could save us
00:19:55.33\00:19:59.65
from sin. So he could
ultimately die on a cross paying
00:19:59.68\00:20:03.81
the price for all
of ours self will,
00:20:03.84\00:20:06.02
all of our search for
power, all of our wickedness
00:20:06.05\00:20:10.04
and our corruption
in going our way instead
00:20:10.07\00:20:12.00
of our creators way.
And ultimately our way
00:20:12.03\00:20:14.41
is a disaster, it leads
down, it leads to the pit,
00:20:14.44\00:20:18.21
it's self destructive, and
God loves us and that's why
00:20:18.24\00:20:21.32
he wants to get us out
of that and turn us around,
00:20:21.35\00:20:23.49
open our eyes, turn
us from the darkness
00:20:23.52\00:20:25.17
to the light from the
power of Satan to God.
00:20:25.20\00:20:27.45
So we can be
forgiven and as we read in the
00:20:27.48\00:20:30.43
Book of Acts, so that we
can receive an inheritance
00:20:30.46\00:20:34.16
among those who are
sanctified through faith
00:20:34.19\00:20:36.83
in Christ. Now
that's another point.
00:20:36.86\00:20:40.47
God's power can actually
sanctify us, it can lift us up,
00:20:40.50\00:20:45.57
it can purify us, it
can cleanse us, and it can,
00:20:45.60\00:20:50.01
it can make us new.
And Satan does not have
00:20:50.04\00:20:53.49
that kind of power.
Witchcraft is just about getting
00:20:53.52\00:20:56.96
power to do what you
want. God's power wants
00:20:56.99\00:20:59.60
to change your life and
get sin out of your life.
00:20:59.63\00:21:02.98
And I have a friend of
mine that once made a statement
00:21:03.01\00:21:05.81
to me that I
have never forgotten.
00:21:05.84\00:21:07.16
He said Satan has
power, but he has no power
00:21:07.19\00:21:11.41
to help you do
right, he can't do that,
00:21:11.44\00:21:15.32
he doesn't have that power.
00:21:15.35\00:21:16.72
Now we talked a little
bit up to this point about
00:21:18.52\00:21:20.13
the power of Satan and
the contrast of the power
00:21:20.16\00:21:23.12
of God. Power of Satan is
cold. Power of God is warm,
00:21:23.15\00:21:26.92
it's loving, it's
self-sacrificing. Now we talked
00:21:26.95\00:21:30.42
in a previous program
about witchcraft or wicked.
00:21:30.45\00:21:33.85
Now someone viewing
this program that has
00:21:33.88\00:21:36.64
dabbled in
witchcraft or Awake or the
00:21:36.67\00:21:39.48
Harry Potter books. The
question may come to their
00:21:39.51\00:21:41.60
mind they say there is an
element of love in witchcraft.
00:21:41.63\00:21:46.21
Would you agree with
that question or interpret
00:21:46.24\00:21:48.77
opposition of that question
that there is an element
00:21:48.80\00:21:50.69
of love in the how
should I say the new witchcraft
00:21:50.72\00:21:55.94
that's coming out
in the 21st century.
00:21:55.97\00:21:57.56
Yeah, that's a,
that's a good question.
00:21:57.59\00:21:59.30
Well you are right.
The modern wicked movement
00:21:59.33\00:22:03.50
definitely has a
friendly face and I would say
00:22:03.53\00:22:06.26
let me clarify this
way that there is no love
00:22:06.29\00:22:10.04
in Satan's
power. None. None. Okay.
00:22:11.01\00:22:14.04
Not a bit not an
ounce, but God's power
00:22:14.07\00:22:17.67
is working all around
this world and it's interesting
00:22:17.70\00:22:20.40
I remember the
statement that Pam made
00:22:20.43\00:22:23.02
and I'm just
thinking of this as you are,
00:22:23.05\00:22:24.59
as we are talking about this
and you asked that question.
00:22:24.62\00:22:26.85
Pam talks about how
she became a believer
00:22:26.88\00:22:30.54
and somewhere in her
testimony if I can find it.
00:22:30.57\00:22:33.86
She says that here is
it that God's hand has been
00:22:33.89\00:22:38.43
in my life for a lot of
years, but I had no clue. Okay.
00:22:38.46\00:22:42.54
So God was working in her
life. God's love was trying
00:22:42.57\00:22:46.78
to draw her and
working in her life,
00:22:46.81\00:22:48.74
leading her ultimately
to him and to the cross.
00:22:50.47\00:22:52.95
Okay. And so I mean
there are, there are people
00:22:52.98\00:22:55.62
that are into
witchcraft that do good things.
00:22:55.65\00:22:57.98
Sure. I mean I'm not
saying that everything
00:22:58.01\00:22:59.37
they do was bad. Okay.
But anything that anybody
00:22:59.40\00:23:01.53
does that's good is
because God is to some extent
00:23:01.56\00:23:04.86
working in their lives, I
see, even if they don't know
00:23:04.89\00:23:06.84
that it's God. But my
point is that Satan's power,
00:23:06.87\00:23:09.69
his power entirely is
loveless, it's cold, it's dark,
00:23:09.72\00:23:13.92
it's wicked, and the
deeper people get into the craft
00:23:13.95\00:23:17.60
they start tapping into
that power and just like Pam
00:23:17.63\00:23:20.25
did and that power will
eventually destroy them.
00:23:20.28\00:23:22.69
Okay. And as we've mentioned
00:23:22.72\00:23:24.11
these modern mediums
and people that are involved
00:23:24.14\00:23:26.18
in spirits and ghosts,
there is an element of coldness
00:23:26.21\00:23:28.81
that is associated
with the supernatural powers
00:23:28.84\00:23:32.44
that they are involved
in, and that's my point,
00:23:32.47\00:23:34.60
is it's a dark
power, it's a cold power,
00:23:34.63\00:23:37.02
it's not God's power.
Okay. As we see there is a big
00:23:37.05\00:23:40.27
contrast between the two
powers and we need to have
00:23:40.30\00:23:43.33
our eyes opened to
see that and get out of
00:23:43.36\00:23:45.19
the bad power through his
power and get in the right
00:23:45.22\00:23:48.24
power, and the motivation
to do that is the power
00:23:48.27\00:23:51.47
of his love revealed
on the cross, revealed
00:23:51.50\00:23:53.61
in Gethsemane through
the struggle of the father
00:23:53.64\00:23:56.43
and the son, who are
willingly to be separated from
00:23:56.46\00:23:59.13
each other because of
our sins. That is a love that
00:23:59.16\00:24:02.84
is beyond compare.
There is nothing like it in
00:24:02.87\00:24:05.05
any religion on this
planet. It's not in Islam,
00:24:05.08\00:24:08.19
it's not in
Buddhism, it's not in Hinduism,
00:24:08.22\00:24:10.21
it's not in any
religion except for Christianity
00:24:10.24\00:24:14.12
that shows a father giving
a son to die as a sacrifice
00:24:14.15\00:24:20.13
for our sins. That's a
beautiful picture there
00:24:20.16\00:24:22.29
on the screen, Jesus
holding a little child just
00:24:22.32\00:24:25.07
reminds me of my little
boy Seth, and I have learned
00:24:25.10\00:24:29.10
so much about God's
love and about his warmth
00:24:29.13\00:24:31.42
and my point is
that God's love is warm
00:24:31.45\00:24:34.74
and loving and cradling,
and that's what he wants for us.
00:24:34.77\00:24:38.90
He wants to wrap us in
his arms of love and not only
00:24:38.93\00:24:42.18
that he wants to deliver
us, to deliver us from evil.
00:24:42.21\00:24:45.42
Let me share one
more text here. In the
00:24:45.45\00:24:47.32
Book of
Colossians, Chapter 1 Verse 13,
00:24:47.35\00:24:50.79
I love this passage.
It's talking about Jesus
00:24:50.82\00:24:53.26
and it says that he has
delivered us from the power
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of darkness and
has translated us into
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the kingdom of
his dear son. Okay.
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Sometimes we talk about
the importance of translation
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and I believe in that,
that God wants to prepare us
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to be translated at
the second coming without
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seeing death. But if we
are going to be translated
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then we need to be translated
now and the translation
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to this verse is talking
about is being translated
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out of the kingdom of darkness,
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the power of darkness
and translated through
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the power of the Holy
Spirit into the kingdom
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of his dear son in
whom we have redemption
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through his blood even
the forgiveness of sins.
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Umm! I know. God's
power delivers us from evil.
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I remember, still
remember, I will always remember
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the first time I
knelt in the dormitory room
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in Southern
California at the age of 20,
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and I accepted
Jesus Christ as my savior.
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I yielded to the power
of that love that drew me,
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I clunged at the cross
and I said Lord if you,
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if you want me, if
you will have me, you know
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I am a sinner. This
was the first prayer I have
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ever prayed. I never, I
didn't even read the Bible
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until I was 20 years old
and I read about Gethsemane
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and that's what reach
me, and I got on my knees
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and I said some pray, I
don't really remember exactly
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what I prayed, I
just said, you know,
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Jesus if you are
there, if you want me,
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forgive me and help
me. I was smoking pot,
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I was using drugs, I was
doing all kinds of things,
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I was lost. And I felt
at that moment that doesn't
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always happen like
this, but I felt it.
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I felt this power and
this love coming to me like
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I have never known. I
felt the burden of guilt,
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lifted off of my
conscious, the stone of guilt
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was rolled away
and it was amazing and
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I remember thinking
to myself I thought of
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Mick Jagger song, I
can't get no satisfaction
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that I used to listen
to a lot in my BC days,
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and I remember thinking
to myself at that moment,
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this is
satisfying. This I have found
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satisfaction and I
felt the love, and the joy,
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and the peace that I have
never known, and that love,
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that power actually
delivered me from the things
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that I was doing. And
David it's been 28 years
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and I have not smoked one
marijuana joint since then.
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Praise the Lord. I am out of
alcohol, I am out of cocaine,
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I am out of those
things. Jesus Christ has
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delivered me from the
power of darkness and it has
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brought me into
the kingdom of his son,
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and I am very
grateful. And I want everybody
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to experience that
power. I want to warn people
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to stay away from
the power of the occult,
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the power of witchcraft,
the power of spiritualism,
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it's a wrong power.
God's power is the right power,
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it's a loving power.
It will change your life
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and you will never be
sorry that you have opened
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your heart to that power.
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Well, thank you so much
Steve. And I think all of us
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started to experience
the power of God can say
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that there is nothing
that is fulfilling as the power
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of God's love. That's right.
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In our daily lives.
Well, we have been talking
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today about the power
battle, the love of power
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versus the power of
love, and we have discussed
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how Jesus loves
us, and gave himself,
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so that we might be uplifted,
we might be sanctified,
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and ultimately we might be
saved. My name is David Shin
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and I'm here with
Steve Wohlberg. Join us again
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next time for another
edition of Battles of Faith.
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May God bless you.
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