I like to welcome
you to Battles of Faith,
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my name is David
Shin and I'm here with
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Steve Wohlberg who is
the speaker and director
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of While Horse Media
based in Fresno, California.
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He is the
author of several books
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and has done extensive
research on this topic of
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the Supernatural from a
Biblical perspective and
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it has been quite a
journey hasn't it through
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the series of thirteen.
Yes, it has been a great
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thing with you.
Yes and its been.
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Program to
program. Yeah, so it's quite
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educational as I
have learned some things
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about the pillars of
the other side in the
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Supernatural and I
understand that we're
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going to New York
today by web introduction to
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set the stage for
what we're gonna be talking
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about today.
That's exactly right.
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This is a series
we've given the title of the
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series Magic Ghosts and
the Bible and today we're
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going to really on the
ghosts and a historic day
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in history which was
March 31, 1848 back in
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New York when what is
called spiritualism was
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given its birth. It
was a birthday of modern
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spirituals and I like to
put up on the screen here
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a marker that is
actually the date where people
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can go see it. And
there it says, I'll read it.
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The birthplace of
modern spiritualism by the
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spiritualists of the
world, it was erected on
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December 4, 1927 in
commemoration of the
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Advent of modern
spiritualism. This is in
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front of the home of
Fox Sisters. There it says
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March 31, 1848 and at
the bottom there of that
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monument it says
" There is no death
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and there are no
dead." Now, let me give you a
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little bit of
background on that marker.
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It was a very
significant historical night.
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March 31, 1848
the famous Hydesville
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cottage was now
inhabited by family,
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The Fox Family.
They have moved in, there
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were two girls
Margaret and Kate and a lot of
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strange things have
been happening in that home.
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There was a window
rattling, there were loud
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thuds going down the
pantry stairs, lot of
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strange noises and
bumps in night. Well, that
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particular night,
March 31, the two girls these
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sisters, one of them
was 10 years old, the other
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one was nine years old
and they were in bed and
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there was a loud
pounding on the walls
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and they just sprang
out of bed and one of the
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girls Kate began to
clap her hands and she
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clapped her hands five
times and then a knocking
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occurred on the wall five
times. And then her sister
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held up five fingers
and then there were five
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knockings as well.
And then one of the girls
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responded and they said
look Mr. Splitfoot that's
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the name that
they gave this ghost.
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They said Mr.
Splitfoot can both see and hear.
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Can hear how many
times we clap and he can
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see how many fingers
we have in our hands.
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And this was actually
the beginning of a whole
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series of rappings
and communications from
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this ghost that claimed
to be the spirit of a dead
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peddler that the ghost
said I had been murdered
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and its bones were now
underneath the cellar at
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the bottom of the house
and later on they did do
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some excavations and
some research and they
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found that lone
behold there were bones down
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there that they
hadn't previously found that
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were hidden behind a
wall. And as the news
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began to spread these
two young girls began to
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go on on tour. They
began to travel around
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the country and they
began to speak and give
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public lectures and
talk about how the other side
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had spoken and this
was supposedly proving that
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the dead weren't
really dead and that they are
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out there and that they
can come and talk to us.
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And that was the
birthday and the beginning
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of movement that
has been known as
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spiritualism in our world.
Now, let's go back to that
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monument. If we can
put that back up on the
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screen again. That
monument is today in
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front of the
Hydesville memorial park.
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In New York it
remains as a witness to the
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birthplace of modern
spiritualism and it says
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they are the home of
the Fox Sisters and again
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look at the model
at the bottom there.
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This is model of modern
spiritualism that there is
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no death and there are
no dead. Now, that is an
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amazing doctrine. It's
the foundation of the whole
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idea that you
can talk to the dead.
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They believe that the
dead aren't dead and if
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the dead aren't dead
then why can't the dead come
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back and communicate
with you. Now here's a,
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here's a big question.
Where did that doctrine
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originate. The idea of
that there is no death and
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if there is no dead it
is the basis of occultism
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and spiritualism, where
did that idea come from?
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Well, let's go to the
Bible. Let's find out. Yeah.
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We go back in our
Bibles to the book of Genesis.
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Genesis describes the
beginning of the world.
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It describes how
God made this planet and
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everything in it in
six days how he rested on
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the Seventh Day.
He made the world as a
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beautiful place it was
just perfect. There was no
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sin, there was no
suffering. There was no sorrow,
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the rivers were
flowing and the sun was shining
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and the air was
clear, no smog, no LA smog,
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no Detroit smog,
no Fresno smog where I
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live or in the area
where I live. Everything was
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just perfect and there
was a perfect man named
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Adam and a
perfect woman who was Eve.
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And when you look at
Genesis chapter 2 what
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happens is in God's
infinite wisdom he gave
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this new, this new
pair, this new couple,
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the first human beings
ever created he gave them
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a specific, a specific
test. He gave them access to
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all the trees in a
garden that he created which was
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called the Garden
of Eden, a beautiful
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garden that he
planted but there was one
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particular tree that he
set up and it was in the
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middle of the garden
and that tree was called the
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tree of the
knowledge of good and evil.
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And in Genesis 2 verse
16, the Bible says that
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the Lord God
commanded the man and he said of
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every tree of the garden
you may freely eat but of
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the tree of the
Knowledge of good and evil you
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shall not eat of it,
for in the day that you eat
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there of and then there
is four words there David,
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what are those four words.
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It says "You will surely die."
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Right. You will surely
die. This was God's test,
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it was a test of, of
their love, a test of
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loyalty, it gave
them freedom, freedom to
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choose, freedom to love
and freedom to not love.
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And so God set this
up and that tree was the,
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the big test and he
said if you, if you eat from
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that tree, if you take
your hand and if you grab
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that fruit and if you
eat from that one particular
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tree, God was very,
very clear that you shall
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surely die. Now,
Genesis 1 gives the creation
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account. Genesis 2
describes the test and
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other things. And then
Genesis chapter 3 reveals
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the drama, it reveals
the beginning of the cosmic
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conflict on planet
earth between the forces of
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good and evil. If you
look at Genesis chapter
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3, verse 1, the Bible
says that the serpent was
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more subtle than any
beast of the field which
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the Lord God had made.
And this is interesting
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David that the serpent'
in the Garden of Eden was
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the very first medium to
ever exist. And it wasn't
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really that the
serpent itself was subtle,
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it was that the
serpent became a channel for
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another mind, for
another entity that we talked
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about in the last
program who was kicked out of
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heaven, whose name
was originally Lucifer.
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It was changed to
Satan, he was kicked out of
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heaven. He came
down to this earth and he
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entered this snake and
he began to talk to Eve
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through the
snake. The snake became a
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medium and if you look
at verse 4 it says that the
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serpent said to
the woman, here is the
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serpent
representing Satan. He speaks to
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Eve and he said
you shall not, what?
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Surely die. You shall not surely
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die right now. Now
that text is extremely
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important. There is a
lot of information that we
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can glean just by
looking carefully at this
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passage. David this
was the very first lie that
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was ever told to the
human race. Its right
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here Genesis 3:4. This lie came
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specifically from the
serpent who was a channel
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for the devil and this
lie directly contradicted
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what God said in
Genesis 2:17. Right,
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he said that if they
ate from that fruit what
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would happen? They would die.
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They would die and
then the serpent came along
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and he said you will
not die. You will not surely
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die. He was really
mocking God and then if
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you look at verse 5,
the serpent continued on and
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he said for God doth
know that in the day that
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you eat thereof, if you
eat from that fruit your
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eyes shall be opened
and you shall be as Gods,
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knowing good and evil.
So, here it is in Genesis
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3 at the beginning of
the Bible the serpent has
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two basic ideas that he
had put into Eve's pretty
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head, her perfect
head. The first idea was that
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you don't die. You won't
die, if you eat this fruit
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no death. And the
second idea is that you will be
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your own God. You
will be God, you are God
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and you'll know good and evil.
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So, let me see if I'm
understanding you here
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up to this point.
You pointed out the
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Fox Sisters and the
rappings. Yes. And this
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became the
threshold, the beginning,
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the watershed
movement in the beginning of
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what is called
spiritualism today and
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one of the tenets in
that tombstone that we saw
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was that there is no death.
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That marker, it was a marker.
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Oh, there's a
marker. Okay, the marker said
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that there is no death
and then you can see the
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trace all the way
back to Adam and Eve in the
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Garden and the first
line out of the serpent's
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mouth or the first
deception out of the
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serpent's mouth is
"You will not surely Die"
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And so we can see
there is a link here.
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This is not a new
doctrine that has come
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up, it goes all the way
back to the beginning of
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time here on planet earth.
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That's exactly right.
Mr. Splitfoot in New York
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said that he was the
ghost of a dead peddler
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and he communicated the
doctrine that there is no
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death and you don't
die and he had now come
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back to communicate
this idea to the Fox Sisters
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which then spread
around the world in
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spiritualism. That
doctrine really goes
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right back to
Genesis chapter 3, to the
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teaching of the
serpent. And it's amazing David
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when you think about
it that here are two lies
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coming from the
serpent, number one you don't
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die which is exactly
the opposite of what God
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said and number two is
you are God. And as you
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look at, we've been
talking about the occult,
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we've been talking
about witchcraft and
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spiritualists and
mediums. When you look
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at the Wiccan or
witchcraft movement
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today and when you
look at the spiritualist
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movement today, both
of those movements teach
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there is no death. Both
of them teach that human
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beings are actually
God, that we're divine within
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and both of them and
this is amazing teach
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that there is no
devil. And yet when you read
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your Bible, it is the
devil that taught those
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very first two
doctrines and so doesn't it just
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make sense that the
devil who taught those ideas
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would be still
teaching those ideas and then
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would be trying to
convince people that
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there is no devil so he
can teach these ideas and
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happen just pass
right into peoples heads and
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that's exactly what's happening.
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So you can see at
least I see in this passage
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that the doctrine
of or the nature of man
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specifically of what
happens after death is
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there death after life or
is there life after death I
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just say that if you
naturally believe that
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when you die you do
not really die then the
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natural
conclusion is obviously I can
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communicate with that
person. Exactly right.
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And it just leads you
down that road and so.
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That's right.
That's exactly right.
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The doctrine of
communication with the
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dead is based upon the
doctrine that you don't
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die. And that doctrine
is based upon the teaching
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of a snake in the
Garden of Eden. That was a
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mouth piece for Satan
himself. Now, if you go
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back to Genesis 3.
Okay. It says in verse 6 that
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when the woman saw
that the tree was good
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for food it was
pleasant to the eyes, it was a
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tree desirable to make
one wise. She took of the
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fruit and she ate it
and she gave to her husband
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with her and he did
eat it. Adam and Eve were
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both duped, Eve
especially was duped.
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Adam followed his
wife because he loved her,
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made the wrong decision,
they both took the fruit,
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they ate it and verse
7 says their eyes were
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open, just like the
serpent said your eyes
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will be open but
they were opened in a
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different way than
the serpent had implied.
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It says there eyes
were open and they knew that
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they were naked and
they sowed fig leaves
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together and they
made themselves aprons.
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They knew they were,
their enlightenment was
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the realization of
their nakedness. And right
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after that in Genesis
3 it talks about how God
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came back to them in
the Garden, he confronted
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them because of their
sin. He dialogued with
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them and eventually
what he did was he covered
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them, he covered
their nakedness. And this is
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really significant and I
wish we had a lot of time
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to really go into this.
There is more information
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on our website on
whitehorsemedia.com
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we have a lot of
resources that discuss
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this very thing and
the significance of what
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we're about to read.
But in Genesis chapter 3
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verse 21, the Bible
says to Adam also and to this
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wife did the Lord God
make coats of skins and
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he clothed them. Now
this is really important.
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In Genesis 2:16-17, God
said that if they ate the
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fruit they would die.
The serpent denied that,
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he said that they
don't die, you won't die.
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He led them into sin
and when they did sin they
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were naked and
uncovered. They put fig leaves
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around themselves
to try to cover up that
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nakedness, but
God had another plan.
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God wanted to cover
them with something else.
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And what does it say
he clothed them with.
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Coats of skin.
Right. Coats of skin.
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Now in order for
God, think about this.
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In order to, for him to
clothe Adam and Eve with
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coats of skin those
skins would be the skins of
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what. Animals.
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Skins of Animals.
Right. One animal or more
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animals and what had
to happen to one or more
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animals in order for
their coats to become
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skins to cover Adam and
Eve because of their sin
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and their
nakedness. Well, obviously they
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lost the animal's
life had to be met or the
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animal had to cease to
exist for the skins to.
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Yeah, the animal. That's right.
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The animal had to
die. A friend of mine wrote
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the music to the
words of a very powerful
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song called The Caretaker
so this is what it says.
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The caretakers are
gone, there is an aching
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loneliness. No one but
God can see what is about
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to come or what is to
come. Adam cradles the
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lamb to his chest as
the universe collectively
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recalls going back
to that scene where the
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animal died. The warm
red blood soaks into the
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wool and splatters
upon on the alter rocks.
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Many nights Adam
woke in sweat remembering
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that lamb that he had
named kicking, bleeding,
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going limp with eyes
so trusting to the end.
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He wants to split the
apple out and he cries
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out to Eve and he
says what have we done.
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What have we done?
The serpent said there is
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no death. He lied.
When Adam and Eve sinned,
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they were naked
and God was about to
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demonstrate to them
that death was very real and
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I don't know whether
God did it or whether he
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told Adam to take
the lamb and he gave Adam
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the knife and had
Adam do it, but Adam was
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certainly involved he
watched a lamb die and
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there had never been
any death in the history
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of the whole
universe until that movement.
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And it was the skin of
that sacrifice that God
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used to clothe Adam
and Eve, because of their
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nakedness. And what,
or maybe I should say who
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did that dead animal
ultimately represent.
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You would assume
that looking at the New
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Testament
account, assume he covered
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them and so it would
have to be Christ who died.
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That's exactly right.
The first sacrifice in
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the Garden of the
Eden was the beginning of
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many sacrifices
that eventually pointed
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forward to the
ultimate sacrifice. It pointed
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forward to the coming
of a person called the
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Lamb of God who would
take away the sin of the
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world who would
eventually as the real
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lamb, he would
actually really die because of
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the sin of Adam and
Eve. Let's look at that in
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the Bible. Luke
chapter 23, Luke chapter 23.
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At the end of the book
of Luke the second to the
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last chapter in verse
46 the Bible says that,
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that when Jesus had
cried with a loud voice he
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said, Father, into your
hands I commend my spirit
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and having said that
he gave up the ghost.
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Which means his spirit,
his breath he gave it up
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and the Bible is very
clear that Jesus Christ
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actually literally
died because of man's sin.
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He took man's sin,
he took Adam's sin;
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Eve's sin; the sin of
the first couple all the way
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down to the end of
time; your sin; my sin;
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the sins of the
whole world. Your sin,
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everybody's sin, he
took that all into his mind
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and into his heart and
he paid the price and he
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actually literally
died in First Corinthians
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15:3, the Bible says
that Christ died for our sins
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according to the
scriptures. What the
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serpent said
wouldn't happen has been
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happening throughout
history, animals have
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died, people died and
then Jesus Christ came
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down here and he died as
the ultimate sacrifice to
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pay the penalty of
man's sin. That's what the
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Bible calls the Gospel,
that is the good news of
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God to try to get us
back to pay the price for our
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sin and to bring us
back into his love and into
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his grace. So you see
all the way back in the book
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of Genesis there is
two conflicting messages,
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one is you will
surely die if you're in
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disobedience to
God's commands and then
00:19:05.95\00:19:07.41
second one is one
the counter part and the
00:19:07.44\00:19:09.73
devil says you will
not die but you see that as
00:19:09.76\00:19:13.02
a result of listening
to devil's lie that death
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did happen. It was
the death of an animal,
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there was death of
Adam and Eve and then later
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you see the death of
the son of God, but if
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you accept Christ
obviously there is a
00:19:22.53\00:19:24.84
counterpart to this,
death is not in the sense
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an eternal death if
you choose to accept Christ
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because he died in our place.
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It's right. I'll get to
that. That's right. Yeah.
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Let's keep going if
you look at Luke chapter 24
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right, the good news
of the Bible is not only
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that Jesus Christ
died. That's just half the
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story. The other half
is what happened on the
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first day of the
week on Sunday morning.
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In Luke 24 verses 1 to
5, what happens is early in
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the morning three days
after Jesus was crucified
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and died on the
Cross for the sins of the
00:19:52.26\00:19:53.68
world, these women
came to the tomb to put
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spices on his death
body, they found the stone
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rolled away. They
looked, they saw a holy angel
00:20:00.30\00:20:03.17
standing there at the
tomb he had rolled the
00:20:03.54\00:20:05.26
stone away and then
the angel announced.
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In verse 5 the angel
said why are you seeking the
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living among the
dead. He is not here.
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He has risen and
the, the Biblical message,
00:20:15.78\00:20:18.79
the glorious message,
the powerful message of
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this book is that
God's own son really did die,
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he was really buried
but then on Sunday morning
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on the first day of
the week he literally
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actually rose from the
dead and the angel said
00:20:28.83\00:20:31.84
why are you seeking
the living among the dead.
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See death is real,
in spite of what the
00:20:35.58\00:20:38.11
serpent says that
marker in front of the
00:20:38.14\00:20:40.85
Hydesville cottage
in New York is wrong,
00:20:40.88\00:20:43.19
it says there is no
death. There is death;
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people have been
dying throughout history.
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Jesus Christ died and
the good news is he has
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been resurrected from
the dead. He's risen from
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the dead. 40 days
later according to this book,
00:20:54.62\00:20:57.59
according to God's
word, he ascended to heaven
00:20:57.62\00:21:00.57
and we are waiting
right now and I believe we're
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getting awfully close
to the great day when the
00:21:03.80\00:21:07.91
son of God will
actually come down from the
00:21:07.94\00:21:10.27
sky, he will return
at his second coming.
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And let's take a look
at First Thessalonians
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chapter 4 and let's
notice what's going to
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happen when Jesus comes again.
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First Thessalonians
chapter 4, verses 16 and
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17 describe the
great day, the awesome day.
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Okay. The day that we're
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longing for, that
we're waiting for.
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Verse 16 says First
Thessalonians 4:16 that
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the Lord himself shall
descend from heaven with
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a shout, with a voice
of the archangel and with
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the trumpet of God and
then notice what it says
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and the dead in
Christ shall do what.
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Rise first. They
shall rise first.
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That's right. That is
a resurrection morning.
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Not only did Jesus
Chris rise but he is coming
00:21:53.41\00:21:56.10
back to raise us
up, there is death,
00:21:56.13\00:21:58.82
there is burial, but
Jesus is going to come and
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raise us up and that's
what the Bible says the
00:22:02.13\00:22:04.53
dead in Christ shall
rise first and verse 17 says
00:22:04.56\00:22:08.08
then we which are
alive and remain shall be
00:22:08.11\00:22:12.57
caught up. And
what's that next word?
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Together. Together. Right.
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That is a key word
there. Together with them in
00:22:17.27\00:22:21.46
the clouds to meet the
Lord in the air and so we
00:22:21.49\00:22:24.44
shall ever be ready with
the Lord. This verse says
00:22:24.47\00:22:27.01
that when Jesus
comes down and the dead in
00:22:27.04\00:22:28.47
Christ rise he raises
them up, that's when the
00:22:28.50\00:22:31.40
living and the resurrected
dead will be together.
00:22:31.43\00:22:36.08
This tells us that our
hope of reunion with our
00:22:36.79\00:22:40.00
loved ones is not
that they are going to come
00:22:40.03\00:22:42.75
knocking on the wall
of our house in the middle
00:22:42.78\00:22:45.78
of the night or we're
gonna hear these thuds
00:22:45.81\00:22:48.59
you know going down
the pantry stairs or the
00:22:48.62\00:22:50.40
windows are going to
rattle, because your long
00:22:50.43\00:22:52.83
lost grandma or
grandpa or whoever else has
00:22:52.86\00:22:56.11
come back to tell
you there is no death,
00:22:56.14\00:22:57.89
everything is fine on
the other side. That's not
00:22:57.92\00:23:00.19
the message of the
Bible. The message of the
00:23:00.22\00:23:02.15
Bible is that death is
real, that people do die,
00:23:02.18\00:23:04.79
that Jesus Christ
came, that he died, that he
00:23:05.10\00:23:07.74
rose from the dead,
that he went to heaven,
00:23:07.77\00:23:09.61
that he is going to
comeback and he is going
00:23:09.64\00:23:11.40
to resurrect the dead,
those who are the dead in
00:23:11.43\00:23:14.30
Christ, that believe
in him, that in believe in
00:23:14.33\00:23:16.63
this book, that
believe in his message.
00:23:16.66\00:23:18.56
Their sins are forgiven
and they are accepted by
00:23:18.88\00:23:20.90
God because of his
grace, because of that
00:23:20.93\00:23:23.26
covering. That
covering of the animal skins
00:23:23.29\00:23:26.49
represents his white
robe of righteousness that he
00:23:26.52\00:23:30.62
covers us with and
that's how he covers and
00:23:30.65\00:23:34.90
removes our sin. And
the reunion day happens
00:23:34.93\00:23:38.72
not on the other side
when we die because the
00:23:38.75\00:23:42.07
dead comeback which
is the message of modern
00:23:42.10\00:23:44.69
spiritualism, but
reunion day comes on
00:23:44.72\00:23:47.90
resurrection day
when Jesus comes down from
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the clouds and raises
the dead and we're caught
00:23:50.77\00:23:53.71
up together to meet
him and to be with him and
00:23:53.74\00:23:57.45
the rest of the verse
says at the end of verse
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17 it says that when we
meet the Lord in the air
00:24:00.10\00:24:03.49
and so shall we
ever be with the Lord.
00:24:03.52\00:24:07.99
And then the last part
of the verse, actually verse
00:24:08.82\00:24:11.20
18 says wherefore
comfort one another with these
00:24:11.23\00:24:16.09
words. Not the words of
spiritualists and medians
00:24:16.12\00:24:19.49
and those who are
involved in witchcraft
00:24:19.52\00:24:21.72
and those that are
involved in all kinds of
00:24:22.28\00:24:24.29
occult practices or
who are teaching false
00:24:24.32\00:24:26.89
doctrines, but it's
these words, it's the words of
00:24:26.92\00:24:29.94
the Bible that are
to comfort us in time of
00:24:29.97\00:24:33.14
loss. I heard about
an old saint on his death
00:24:33.17\00:24:36.30
bed he was talking to
a group of friends and
00:24:36.33\00:24:39.49
family that were paying
their final, final respects
00:24:39.52\00:24:43.89
as he was about to die
and this is what he said,
00:24:43.92\00:24:46.62
if you miss me don't
dismay. I may have to
00:24:46.65\00:24:50.26
rest in a mound of
clay but when I hear that
00:24:50.29\00:24:54.08
trumpet sound I'm
coming out of the cold,
00:24:54.11\00:24:57.66
cold ground. Halleluiah.
I often, well maybe not
00:24:57.69\00:25:03.09
often but many times I
have been in cemeteries
00:25:03.12\00:25:06.12
and I read tombstones
and I look at, many of
00:25:06.15\00:25:09.78
them have Bible texts
that look forward to the
00:25:09.81\00:25:12.18
resurrection of the
great day and that's the hope,
00:25:12.21\00:25:15.58
that's the hope that we
have. It's that Jesus is
00:25:15.61\00:25:18.23
going to come and raise
the dead and bring things
00:25:18.26\00:25:21.46
back together. And as
we wait in this world of
00:25:21.49\00:25:24.05
of we have to be on
our guard against the
00:25:24.08\00:25:27.07
teachings of the
serpent, the doctrine that there
00:25:27.10\00:25:29.55
is no devil, the
doctrine that there is no death,
00:25:29.58\00:25:31.86
the doctrine that
man is God which are,
00:25:32.42\00:25:34.38
which are the
teachings of the new age
00:25:34.41\00:25:36.76
movement, the
broader occult movement,
00:25:36.79\00:25:38.51
these lives, these
doctrines are; they're
00:25:38.54\00:25:42.53
not true, they are
deceptions, they lead
00:25:42.56\00:25:44.03
away from Jesus from
confidence and hope in
00:25:44.06\00:25:48.79
his second coming and
the whole need for him to
00:25:48.82\00:25:51.99
come and raise the
dead and so that we can be
00:25:52.02\00:25:55.04
with him forever
and ever. Our hope is in
00:25:55.07\00:25:58.03
Jesus. It's not in
ghosts. He is our only hope.
00:25:58.06\00:26:01.28
He is our only savior.
If its not, if it wasn't
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for Christ we would
go down to the grave and
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come up no more.
Now that would be it,
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because Jesus
went down and came up.
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We, when we go
down we could come up
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because of him. Our
dependence is upon him,
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our hope is on
him. He is our savior,
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he is the lamb, he
is everything to us.
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And David if I should
die before the Lord comes,
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I'm not afraid 'cause I
know that it will just be
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short sleep until I open
my eyes and I look up and
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I see myself in.
That's my hope as a Christian,
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as a follower of
Jesus Christ. Halleluiah.
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Amen. That's really
assuring. Now how can a
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person that has just
heard this message of the
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resurrection be assured
that on that resurrection
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morning, that they
will be there to be reunited
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with their loved
ones. Sure. Well, that's the
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big question and
there is many different
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passages I'm sure we
could point people to but
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probably the simplest
and the easiest for us to
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communicate at this
moment is John chapter 3
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verse 16, where Jesus
said that God so loved
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the world, even though
Adam and Eve sinned and
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the whole world had
sinned, God still loves
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us. "God so loved the
world that he gave his
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only begotten son,"
his one son, that whosoever
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and that includes you,
it includes me, it includes
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all of us, that whosoever
believeth in him should
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not perish but
have everlasting life,
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through Jesus
Christ and faith in him.
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That's how we have the
hope that we'll be apart
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of resurrection morning.
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Well, that's reassuring
that if we have hope in
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Jesus that on the
resurrection morning,
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we can live
eternally with our loved ones
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forever and
ever. Well, our time is
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slipping away. Thank
you so much for sharing
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with us here
today, Steve, it's been a
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wonderful journey and
I would like to invite
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you to join us again
next time. This is a series of
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13 and a series
on Battles of Faith,
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magic ghosts and the
Bible. It's our prayer
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here that you will
learn to live by every word
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that proceeds
from the mouth of God.
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My name is David
Shin and I'm here with
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Steve Wohlberg.
Join us again next time.
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