I like to welcome
you to Battles of Faith,
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my name is David
Shin and I'm here with
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Steve Wohlberg who is
the speaker and director
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of While Horse Media
based in Fresno, California.
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He is the
author of several books
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and has done
extensive research on the super
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natural from a
Biblical perspective and I like
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to welcome you
again to our program here.
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I know your
handshake. Yes, we've been doing
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it quite often now, series of 13
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and We have to keep going.
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We've, taking a
Biblical perspective as we
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always like to do
and basing it upon the
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word of God, we've
gone through the book
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of Genesis,
Revelation, Exodus, the book of
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Acts and we've gone
into our last program,
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our last series
of programs about
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who is on the other
side that behind these
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magicians, there
are strong super natural
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currents that are
driving these things and
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we've going to be
talking a little bit more
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about that, I think
when we're going to talking
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about the chief,
there is a little bit of
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organizational
structure in this isn't there?
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There is a lot of
organization structure
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and you're right.
Okay. We're going to focus
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right now on the leader of Evil,
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the prince of
darkness himself and then
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of course we want to
focus and really center
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everything on
the prince of life,
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the prince of light
who is Jesus Christ.
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The issue of the
Devil is really an issue
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today, it's a big
issue the more you get
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into the whole
issue of the super natural
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and who is out
there and what's out there
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and what's
happening in Hollywood and
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and in popular
books and movies and
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websites and just
the whole supernatural
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arena the
question arises you know is
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there a leader of
Evil that is out there.
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Some sinister
being that is pulling the
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strings behind the
scenes, someone such
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as the Devil, also
called Lucifer or Satan
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the prince of
darkness, Beelzebub,
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he has many names,
there is a slide on
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the screen that she
just pulled that just
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showed you know some sinister
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personality pulling
the strings behind the
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scenes directing
traffic in planet Earth,
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on planet Earth,
around planet Earth.
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It's no secret that
those that are into the
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occult generally speaking do not
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believe in the
existence of a personality
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named Satan. This
is certainly a doctrine
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of modern
witchcraft or what we have
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been talking
about Wicca, Wicca, a
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religion that
practices witchcraft. We've
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mentioned the
other book teen witch
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a couple of
times in past programs,
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this is a best
selling books its being read
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by unsuspecting
teenagers around the
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world. We
certainly don't recommend it
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at all, but it's no
secret that the author of
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that book who
reflects the current
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Wiccan philosophy
just comes right out
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openly and says
there is no Devil.
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Many times those
that are into witchcraft
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or Wicca will
criticize Christians and
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they will say to
us, you Christians are
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all wet you're all
wrong, you think that
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we're Devil
worshipers and we don't
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even believe in
Satan and they use that
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as an argument in
favor of the fact that
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they are not doing
anything wrong, that's
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their line. And I
come back and say well
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I understand that
you don't believe in
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Satan, but that
doesn't mean that there is
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no Satan, it just
means that you don't
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believe in him.
Just to give a few more
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evidences that the modern Wiccan
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movement does not
believe in Satan I
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mentioned an
article that was sent to me
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from the Paso Robles High School
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where I used to
live. This is just a,
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you know campus
newspaper and there
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was one particular
article dealing with
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witchcraft and it
says here in Wicca
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there is no Devil. A
lot of Christians are
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amazed by that,
they think that witches
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are Satan
worshipers but the fact is they
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are not Satan
worshipers because they
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don't believe
there is a Satan. Here is
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that quite a few
statements, published
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statements from
people that are involved
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in Wicca, one of
them and most of these
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are teenagers.
There is not Devil in the
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craft and as long
as you do not harm
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others it says so
in the Wiccan read and
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in the witches creed,
that's their doctrine,
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no Satan. Another
Wiccan person said
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Wiccans give no
power to Satan because
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they do not accept
his existence. He is a
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Christian creation
only, we don't believe
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in him. Another one from a woman
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named Becky, she
said this is just a
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teenager, she said
being only 16 years
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old even I know
that Wicca has nothing
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to do with Satan,
and here is one more
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from a person that
posted something on
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the Internet, she
says as a Wiccan we
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know there is no
such thing as a Satan
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because there is no
such thing as heaven
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or hell. So, this is
just typical and I just
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want to bring this out for your
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enlightenment in
case you don't know
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that, that people in the modern
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witchcraft
Wiccan movement that is
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growing by leaps
and bounds, all over
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planet Earth is
being reflected and
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promoted in different television
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programs and
books and movies and
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Hollywood has
really gotten behind the
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whole sorcery sells phenomenon,
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you know
witchcraft is making a lot of
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money these days
and it's just growing
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rapidly and it's
important for us to
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realize that
Wiccans don't believe that
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there is a Satan.
Now the same thing
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applies David, to
those is that are into
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the medium
spiritualist movement.
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Modern mediums
also don't accept the
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existence of
Satan. I've mentioned
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Sylvia Brown,
she is a best selling
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author, she is
written many books she
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has been
interviewed on the Montel
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Williams Show on
television many, many
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times she's. You
mentioned that you
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you saw her. I saw
her one time, yeah.
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Once, you saw a
clip of her being
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interviewed by
Montel and anyway she
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has written
numerous books and one of
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her books she just
comes right out and
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says and by the way this woman
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actually, she is a
pastor of a church,
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she has her own
church and she speaks
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and she quotes
from the Bible many
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times, which is
amazing to me that she
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doesn't read the
entire Bible and that she
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doesn't really
accept the Biblical truth on
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this but anyway
here is one of her books
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where she says that
evil is a creation of
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human kind, not
from God and since
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God not some
mythical Devil created us
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with souls that are
eternal and then she
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goes on and
gives her philosophy,
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she says the idea
of equating anything
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evil in the
spiritual world is mystifying
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to her. She
doesn't, she can't comprehend
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why we would
think that there maybe
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evil out there in
visible world, because
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she doesn't believe
in a Devil. She refers
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to the concept as
a mythical Devil and
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there is of lot
statements like this
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that I could share
and so it's important to
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realize this, and important to
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understand that in
the occult movement
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today whether it's
witchcraft or whether
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it's mediums and
spiritualists, there is a
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general belief and
that is that there is no
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such thing as a personal Devil.
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This has been amazing to me
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because from a
Christian standpoint
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it's always been
assumed that those
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involved in
Wicca or the occult are
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Devil worshiper or
worshipers or Satan
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worshipers and we
categorically assume
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that these
individuals adhere to the
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existence of Satan,
but this isn't true.
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That's not true
at all. Over and over
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again they say
there is no Devil and that
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doesn't mean there
is no Devil it just
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means they don't
believe he is there.
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It reminds me of or
just thinking about a
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boy that wanders
away from the village
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one night in
Africa and doesn't believe
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that there are man-eating lions
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out there. Now
does that mean there are
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no man-eating
lions? No, it just means
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he doesn't believe
in them and that even
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makes them more
dangerous, because if
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you don't believe
that they're there and
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they are there,
they can much more
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easily hurt you and
destroy you. I like to
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share a quotation
from a book that's a
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classic book in
Christian literature
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of you are familiar
with it. It's called the
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Great Controversy
and it deals with the
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battle between
the forces of good
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and evil and here
on page 516 it says
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that as we
approach the close of time
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as we get nearer
and nearer to the end to
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the return of Jesus.
It says when Satan is
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to work with
greatest power to deceive
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and to destroy,
he spreads everywhere
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the belief that
he does not exist.
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That's right; it is
his policy to conceal
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himself and his
manner of working.
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And it just makes
sense that he would do
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that, he would just
that he would try to
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convince people he
is not there and if
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you don't think he
is there, then he can
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just come right
in and take over your
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life. I've
mentioned that on a previous
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program my
friend Pam that she was,
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she grew up in a
Christian home, she
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went off into
witchcraft, she was a
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practicing witch
for many years and then
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God opened her
eyes and she came out
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and she wrote to
me her testimony, she
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sent me an email
and one of that lines
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I did not read
before this is what she
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said, she said
pure Wicca holds that
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there is no evil
force, no Devil in the world
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Clever ploy of the Devil. If he
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doesn't exist we
don't need to worry
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about him and
then she continues on
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and talks about the
dangers that she sees
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in the craft. And
that's it, if you don't
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think he is out
there then you don't
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worry about him
and he can easily come
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right in to your
mind and into your heart
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and he can as
the Bible says he can
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seduce, deceive
and destroy. Now let's
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take a look at
what this book actually
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says and its
amazing to me David, as I've
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done a little bit
of research into the
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teachers of Sylvia
Brown that she claims
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as a modern medium
to actually believe
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in the Bible but
then she says in the
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same breath there is
no Satan, there is no
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Devil. Well, my Bible teaches
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differently if you
look at Isaiah chapter
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14, verse 12, the
scripture says how art
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thou fallen from
heaven? How you've
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fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer son of the
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morning. Here
talks about a being
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named Lucifer that
has actually fallen
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from heaven and
there are liberal
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scholars that read
this passage and they
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say that this is just
talking about a person
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but it can't apply
to an individual normal
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human being
because this being was in
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heaven and he
fell from heaven. Now
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especially when
you look at Ezekiel
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chapter 28 and
this is another chapter
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that people spiritualize away
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and rationalize
away liberal scholars and
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apply this to some
human being. Ezekiel
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28, verse 15,
verse 14 talks about an
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anointed Cherub,
Cherub in the Bible is
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an angel, it's a glorious angel
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and God is here
talking through his
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prophet about someone who was an
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anointed Cherub
that used to cover.
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He was in the
Holy mountain of God;
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he walked up and
down in the midst of
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the stones of
fire. In verse 15 Ezekiel
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said you were
perfect in your ways from
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the day that you
were created until
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iniquity which
means sin was found in
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you, now there is
just no way around it,
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there is no human
being in this world,
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in this fallen
world that was created
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perfect down here
until sin was found in
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that person and
that can only apply to a
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supernatural
being. And when you again
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the read the context
it's talking about the
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anointed Cherub,
who was walking up
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and down in the
midst of the stones
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of fire. And verse
17 says that he was
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beautiful he was
exalted but his wisdom
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corrupted him and
eventually he fell and
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so the Bible's
clear when you put the
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pieces together.
Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 28,
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especially when
you compare it with
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Revelation,
chapter 12, which is the
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greatest chapter
that deals with the fall
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of this heavenly
being, this angelic entity
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named Lucifer,
Lucifer means light
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bearer and after
he's sinned against God
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his name was
changed to Satan, which
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means the
adversary, the enemy of God.
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Revelation chapter
12:1, you read this
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David. Chapter 12
verses 7 through 9
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and this is the greatest book on
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prophecy ever
written, lifting the veil
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showing us what's
going on behind the scenes.
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In Revelation 12:7,
and war broke out in
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heaven, Michael
and his angels fought
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with the dragon
and the dragon fought
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and his angels. But
they did not prevail,
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nor was a place
found for them in
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heaven any
longer. So was the great
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dragon cast out that
serpent of old called
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the Devil and
Satan, who deceives the
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whole world. He
was cast out into the
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earth, and his angels
were cast out with him.
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That's right, so
that the first war was not
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a war that occurred
on Earth. It was not
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a war that
occurred in the Middle East,
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it wasn't World
War I, World War II;
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it wasn't any
human war, it was a
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heavenly war
that took place way up
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beyond the stars.
And it was a cosmic
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conflict and
Lucifer rebelled against God
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and some of his
sympathizers, the other
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angels eventually
joined him entirely in
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their rebellion and
the heavenly host was
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divided, one group
of angels stayed with
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God and the other
group of angels sided
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with Lucifer and
there was a conflict.
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The Bible says
there was a war that took
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place in heaven
and Lucifer and his
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angels lost and it
says that they were
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kicked out. Verse 9
says the great dragon
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was cast out, that
old serpent called Devil
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and Satan who
deceives how many people.
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The whole world. He
deceives the whole world,
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that's right and
one of the deceptions of
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the Devil is that
there is no Devil. I mean
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it's pretty simple,
that's what he is trying
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to pull off. It
says he was cast out into
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the Earth which
is right here and his
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angels, those are
holy angels on his side
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or they were holy
angels and now they're
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fallen angels, his
angels were cast out
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with him. And
there's many examples in
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the Bible of these
evil angels appearing
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and even of Satan
himself showing up in
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certain ways,
tempting people, doing
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things, working
behind the scenes, one
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of the classic
examples is in Matthew
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chapter 4. Matthew
chapter 4 contains as
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and seen when
Jesus himself came down
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to this world to
do battle with this
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enemy, this
invisible angelic being and
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he met him in
conflict in the wilderness.
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Matthew chapter 4,
finds Jesus fasting
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and praying at
the beginning of this
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ministries and then
he is tempted, right,
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three times by this
being that the Bible
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clearly
identifies as Satan. Matthew
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chapter 4, let me
find it here. In verse 1,
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it says Jesus was
led by the Spirit into
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the wilderness,
to be tempted by the
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Devil and when he
had fasted 40 days
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and 40 nights afterward he was
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hungry and when
the tempter came to
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him he said, if your
are really the son of
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God command that
these stones become
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bread and Jesus
responded in verse 4
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and he said, it is
written man shall not
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leave by bread
alone but by every word
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that proceeds out
of the mouth of God.
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Each time Satan
temped Jesus in the
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wilderness he
resisted those temptations
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with scripture,
he quoted the word
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of God, quoted
the word of God, just
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like he did here
that we should live by
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every word that
proceeds from God's
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mouth and if
we're going to do that,
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if we're going to
believe the Bible,
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every word of the
Bible then we're going
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to believe that
Jesus Christ was really
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tempted by the
Devil and there is a real
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Devil and we're
going to resist that Devil
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with scripture and
that's what witches
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and Wiccans and mediums need to
00:15:22.14\00:15:23.51
understand, is
there is a real Devil out
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there and because
they don't believe in
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Satan they play
with these supernatural
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world and think
they can tap in to the
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energies and the
spirits of nature and the
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spirits of the
dead and they are not on
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God against an
entity, a personality
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named Satan and
his fallen angels and
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it's just a perfect
set up. It's a perfect trap
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and they are wide
open to being just
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duped and let astray.
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So the, the irony for
me is that it actually
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place into the
Devil's advantage to say
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that he does not exist. Sure.
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Because it opens
you up to be more
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susceptible to
his deceptions. Now,
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I just like to recap
a little bit here so,
00:16:05.02\00:16:06.90
we're saying in
Isaiah chapter 14,
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Ezekiel chapter
28 as we pointed out
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Lucifer, who was
next to God fell from
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heaven, he was in
need in according to
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Ezekiel chapter 28
and it says in book of
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Revelation that
there was war in heaven
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and then we see
Matthew chapter 4
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that the war was
transferred from heaven
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to earth and so
there is a conflict on a
00:16:23.65\00:16:26.98
spiritual level
that we do not see of
00:16:27.01\00:16:29.74
which we are
evidently a part, because
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its here on planet earth.
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That's exactly
right. And we are in the
00:16:32.87\00:16:34.63
middle of that
conflict. We have the
00:16:34.66\00:16:37.77
forces of good on
the one side, the forces
00:16:37.80\00:16:39.74
of evil in the other
side. People think of
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you know the little
proverbial Devil, Devil
00:16:42.31\00:16:45.72
sitting on your
shoulder and whispering
00:16:45.75\00:16:47.59
into your ear well
that's just a little
00:16:47.62\00:16:49.78
cartoonish
illustration of a very real
00:16:49.81\00:16:53.22
reality that there
is an evil force out
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there, there is an
a being named Satan,
00:16:55.87\00:16:57.82
he does command a
host of fallen angels
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and he certainly
isn't happy that we are
00:17:01.47\00:17:03.55
discussing this
and talking about what
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the Bible
actually says about it. Now
00:17:05.87\00:17:07.67
let's look at
another passage, let's go to
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Luke chapter 22
verse 3, this is a rather
00:17:09.51\00:17:12.47
frightening text
and it shows one of the
00:17:12.50\00:17:15.30
goals of this fallen
entity, this personality
00:17:15.33\00:17:19.28
named Satan. Luke
chapter 22, verse 3
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says then
entered Satan into Judas,
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surnamed Iscariot
being of the number
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of the 12. Judas
was one of the disciples
00:17:29.64\00:17:32.89
of Jesus, he was
in the inner circle of
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Christ followers
and right before he
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betrayed his
master with a kiss, this
00:17:37.93\00:17:41.43
verse says that he
entered in to Judas
00:17:41.46\00:17:44.37
and then Judas went
out, he went in to the
00:17:44.40\00:17:46.48
night, he
betrayed Jesus for money,
00:17:46.51\00:17:48.87
he led the group
of the Roman soldiers
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and some of the
temple priests to the
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Garden of
Gethsemane and he gave Jesus
00:17:54.21\00:17:56.62
a kiss which was
the sign of betrayal to
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his, to this mob
and then they arrested
00:17:59.75\00:18:02.31
Jesus because
Judas showed them who
00:18:02.34\00:18:04.96
the Messiah was
and that this the one
00:18:04.99\00:18:07.42
that you are to
arrest and take away
00:18:07.45\00:18:09.44
and eventually
Jesus went through a
00:18:09.90\00:18:11.16
series of trials
until he was whipped and
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beaten and crucified
on a cross for you and me.
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And before Judas
did hid deed, his
00:18:17.58\00:18:20.33
dastardly deed that has made him
00:18:20.36\00:18:21.85
infamous
throughout history, the Bible
00:18:21.88\00:18:24.94
says that Satan
actually entered him
00:18:24.97\00:18:26.93
and that shows us
that Satan's goal is to
00:18:27.56\00:18:30.74
actually come
inside of human beings,
00:18:30.77\00:18:34.01
he is an invisible
being I've said often
00:18:34.04\00:18:36.52
that human
beings were created as
00:18:36.55\00:18:38.83
indwell-able
beings, that we have the
00:18:38.86\00:18:42.81
capacity as human
beings to be indwelt
00:18:42.84\00:18:45.63
by one side or the
other. And God wants
00:18:46.22\00:18:49.77
his Holy Spirit to
come into our life and
00:18:49.80\00:18:52.69
Satan wants to
come in himself and take
00:18:52.72\00:18:55.00
over and posses us.
00:18:55.03\00:18:56.26
So here on this angle
on in Luke chapter 22,
00:18:56.97\00:18:59.83
verse 3, you see the
concept of possession,
00:18:59.86\00:19:03.23
here Judas was
going to betray Christ
00:19:03.26\00:19:06.36
and the Bible
says that he possessed
00:19:06.39\00:19:08.04
not, that Satan possessed Judas
00:19:08.07\00:19:10.57
and then Judas
went out to betray Jesus
00:19:10.60\00:19:12.41
and so you see on
one hand the Christian
00:19:12.44\00:19:14.71
faith, Christ
and on the other hand
00:19:14.74\00:19:16.61
you have Satan.
So, these two are at
00:19:16.64\00:19:19.41
odds with one
another. And so I don't
00:19:19.44\00:19:22.95
know as a young
person, this is kind of
00:19:22.98\00:19:24.46
scary and so what
is the alternative,
00:19:24.49\00:19:26.82
obviously we don't
want to be possessed
00:19:26.85\00:19:28.84
by the other side,
we don't want to betray
00:19:28.87\00:19:30.50
Christ, so is it
possible for Christ to
00:19:30.53\00:19:33.45
posses us. Yes, very much so
00:19:33.48\00:19:36.13
and his possession
is not like a Devil
00:19:36.16\00:19:38.33
possession, but
its more of indwelling
00:19:38.36\00:19:40.69
where he comes
into our lives and he
00:19:40.72\00:19:42.88
blesses us and
gives us peace and love
00:19:42.91\00:19:44.54
and joy and
before I finished this
00:19:44.57\00:19:46.32
program I want to
illustrate this in a very
00:19:46.35\00:19:48.12
personal way
through my son but before
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we do that I
want to show another
00:19:50.27\00:19:52.34
picture on the
screen of a book written
00:19:52.37\00:19:56.04
or actually channeled by a woman
00:19:56.07\00:19:58.74
named Jane
Robert that you see the
00:19:58.77\00:20:00.32
book called Seth
Speaks and the voice
00:20:00.35\00:20:02.61
there says, I do not
have a physical body,
00:20:02.64\00:20:04.51
yet I am writing
this book. Jane Roberts
00:20:04.54\00:20:08.34
was one of the
most famous mediums in
00:20:08.37\00:20:11.01
the 1960s, she
was playing with the
00:20:11.04\00:20:12.95
Ouija board with her husband in
00:20:12.98\00:20:14.11
New York. In
1963 and a spirit took
00:20:14.14\00:20:19.07
control of the
Ouija board and began to
00:20:19.10\00:20:21.49
talk to her and
this spirit said his name
00:20:21.52\00:20:24.11
was Seth and he
eventually came inside
00:20:24.14\00:20:27.70
of Jane Roberts
and began to actually
00:20:27.73\00:20:30.31
dictate books and
she wrote many, many
00:20:30.34\00:20:34.40
books. They are
now called the Seth
00:20:34.43\00:20:36.28
material and those
that have done their
00:20:36.31\00:20:38.12
homework about
this it's very easily
00:20:38.15\00:20:40.45
documented that
this woman truly was
00:20:40.48\00:20:43.09
possessed by some
spirit from the other
00:20:43.12\00:20:46.31
side that called
itself Seth. Now she
00:20:46.34\00:20:48.51
thought it was the
spirit of a dead person
00:20:48.54\00:20:50.37
and it's
fascinating that and I haven't
00:20:51.23\00:20:53.61
done this but I've
read about it that if you
00:20:53.64\00:20:56.30
take the Seth
dictated books and there is
00:20:56.33\00:20:58.79
many of them
and then you compare
00:20:58.82\00:21:00.65
them to other books that Jane
00:21:00.68\00:21:02.56
Roberts herself
wrote. She was also a writer
00:21:02.59\00:21:04.58
and when you
compare the two books,
00:21:05.05\00:21:06.54
they are very
different, the Seth dictated
00:21:06.57\00:21:08.77
books have a totally
different personality
00:21:08.80\00:21:11.15
a different tone, a
different flavor from
00:21:11.18\00:21:13.33
the books that Jane
herself wrote and so
00:21:13.36\00:21:15.60
it's very clear that
there was a being that
00:21:15.63\00:21:19.52
entered into Jane
and called itself Seth.
00:21:19.55\00:21:21.92
Now, one of the
fascinating things
00:21:21.95\00:21:23.21
is that most of the
Seth books today have
00:21:23.24\00:21:26.10
very friendly
covers, they're glowing in
00:21:26.13\00:21:28.67
there, they look
nice. The first book that
00:21:28.70\00:21:32.48
came out, one of
the Seth books that was
00:21:32.51\00:21:36.16
dictated by this
spirit showed a picture
00:21:36.19\00:21:38.51
of Jane Roberts on
the cover of it and
00:21:38.54\00:21:41.10
I've actually seen a
copy of that, of that
00:21:41.13\00:21:43.69
book cover
they've changed it because
00:21:44.36\00:21:46.74
it's just, it's
not something that
00:21:46.77\00:21:48.44
you want to look
at. But it used to be
00:21:48.47\00:21:51.42
there and we're
not going to show a
00:21:51.45\00:21:53.20
picture of it, but
let me just tell you that
00:21:53.23\00:21:54.99
I've seen it and on
the cover is a picture
00:21:55.02\00:21:57.65
of Jane Roberts
indwelt by this spirit
00:21:57.68\00:22:00.92
called Seth and her
face looks absolutely
00:22:00.95\00:22:05.14
ghastly. I mean
it's all contorted, her
00:22:05.17\00:22:08.52
eyes look dark,
she looks like she is
00:22:08.55\00:22:10.68
almost being
tortured. And a friend of
00:22:10.71\00:22:13.22
mine Tal Brooke is
the president of the
00:22:13.25\00:22:14.85
spiritual
counterfeit projects, who wrote
00:22:14.88\00:22:16.53
the forward to one
of my books, he has
00:22:16.56\00:22:18.52
seen that cover as
well and he said it
00:22:18.55\00:22:20.30
looks like
something from a horror film
00:22:20.33\00:22:22.29
and it just, my
point in sharing that is
00:22:22.68\00:22:25.57
that when this
entity named Seth came
00:22:25.60\00:22:27.72
into Jane it made
her look terrible, her
00:22:27.75\00:22:30.31
face looked awful
and then when also lot
00:22:30.34\00:22:32.31
of other things have happened
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in the history of
Jane's experience that
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are very, very
frightening and I am
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totally
convinced without any doubt
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especially based
upon what I read in the
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Bible that that
spirit was an evil spirit
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and what showed
up on her face or
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through her face
was a reflection of
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darkness and
wickedness. Now, I want to show
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another picture
of another Seth which
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hopefully will
come up pretty quick,
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there we go. Now
there is another Seth.
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That's right,
there is me and my son
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Seth, we there you
Seth about two years
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old, sitting on my shoulders, I
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just, my wife's name is
Kristen, our son is Seth,
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we live up in
Arbury, California and he
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is just the joy of
our lives and there is
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another picture,
that was a fairly recent
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one and he is just
as happy as can be,
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we didn't name him
Seth because of the
00:23:18.97\00:23:20.95
spirit that took
over Jane Roberts, we
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named him because
in the Bible the third
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son of Adam and
Eve was Seth, right
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and Seth means
one who is appointed,
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appointed by God and my point in
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showing you
those pictures is that
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there is a vast difference.
00:23:35.92\00:23:38.56
What a
contrast. What a contrast,
00:23:39.29\00:23:41.04
between what will
happen to us if God's
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love and his
blessing and his joy is in
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our lives, if the
Holy Spirit is in lives as
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compared to if we
open ourselves up to
00:23:49.47\00:23:52.39
the forces of the
Devil, when Satan came
00:23:52.42\00:23:54.64
into Judas he used
him to betrayed Jesus
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Christ. When the
spirit calling himself
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Seth came into
Jane Roberts her face
00:23:58.99\00:24:01.31
looked horrible. In
spite of what all these
00:24:01.34\00:24:04.01
mediums and
witches and Wiccans say
00:24:04.04\00:24:05.73
today that there is
no Devil, there is a
00:24:05.76\00:24:08.01
real Devil, he is
out there, he is working
00:24:08.04\00:24:10.14
behind the scenes.
We read in the Great
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Controversy that
one of his goals in the
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end of time is
to convince people
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everywhere that he
doesn't exist but that
00:24:16.55\00:24:19.45
just opens an
open track, trimmed for
00:24:19.48\00:24:22.96
him to come right
in to people's lives
00:24:22.99\00:24:24.79
and destroyed
them And I, when I look
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at the happy face
of my boy I don't want
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any evil
influences inside of his happy
00:24:30.36\00:24:33.99
face, I only want
the Holy Spirit, I want
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God's love,
God's goodness, God's
00:24:36.75\00:24:38.79
power and Bible
truth inside of him
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because that is
what will make our faces
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shine. And I
want to finish David,
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I know our time
always seems to be
00:24:47.31\00:24:49.62
running out about
this point, but in
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Colossians chapter
1, verse 27 there is
00:24:52.16\00:24:55.53
very powerful
passage about God's goal
00:24:55.56\00:24:57.88
for us. Colossians
1:27 it's called the
00:24:57.91\00:25:00.79
mystery, the
Bible says to whom God
00:25:00.82\00:25:03.10
would make known
what is the riches of
00:25:03.13\00:25:06.75
the glory of
this mystery among the
00:25:06.78\00:25:09.66
Gentiles, and what
is this mystery, it is
00:25:09.69\00:25:12.55
Christ in you, the
hope of glory. When
00:25:12.58\00:25:16.82
Jesus comes into
our lives through the
00:25:16.85\00:25:18.65
power of the
Holy Spirit and when
00:25:18.68\00:25:20.35
angels are guarding
us, all around us and
00:25:20.38\00:25:22.88
protecting us our
faces are going to shine
00:25:22.91\00:25:25.16
just like Moses'
face shown when he
00:25:25.74\00:25:27.35
came off the mountain, when he
00:25:27.38\00:25:28.84
received the Ten Commandments,
00:25:28.87\00:25:29.98
just like the face
of my little boy is
00:25:30.01\00:25:32.15
happy, you know
he is growing up in a
00:25:32.18\00:25:33.60
Christian home.
He is memorizing the
00:25:33.63\00:25:35.41
Bible, he loves, he
loves to talk to daddy
00:25:35.44\00:25:39.30
about scripture,
he has memorized quite
00:25:39.33\00:25:41.92
a few verses and it's
just, it's thrilling to
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me and that's
what God wants, that's
00:25:44.03\00:25:47.51
what God wants
for me, that's what he
00:25:47.54\00:25:49.12
wants for you and
so even though we've
00:25:49.15\00:25:51.19
talked about Satan
and his real and he is
00:25:51.29\00:25:53.25
out there, we
certainly must not lose our
00:25:53.28\00:25:56.29
awareness of that,
we need to be on our
00:25:56.32\00:25:58.37
guard, but we
don't need to be afraid
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God's angels are
more powerful, the
00:26:00.58\00:26:02.46
Holy Spirit is
more powerful and God
00:26:02.49\00:26:04.85
wants to come in
and make our faces
00:26:04.88\00:26:06.97
glow and that
will, that is what will
00:26:07.00\00:26:09.91
happen to us if we
open our hearts to the
00:26:09.94\00:26:13.12
love and to the
goodness and to the
00:26:13.15\00:26:15.26
mercy of Jesus Christ.
00:26:15.29\00:26:17.10
Amen, and I like
that illustration that
00:26:17.13\00:26:19.66
you use, one of
illustration that
00:26:19.85\00:26:21.12
historical fact of
Jesus while his was
00:26:21.15\00:26:23.34
tempted in the
wilderness by Satan
00:26:23.37\00:26:25.27
the ammunition
that he used to combat
00:26:25.30\00:26:28.96
the Devil's
deception was scripture,
00:26:28.99\00:26:30.73
every answer was it
was written and like
00:26:30.76\00:26:33.47
we see in
Colossians chapter 1, verse 27,
00:26:33.50\00:26:35.46
that we have a
mystery Christ in us,
00:26:35.93\00:26:38.31
the hope of
glory. That exactly right
00:26:38.92\00:26:40.67
and I want to also
clarify that in this
00:26:40.70\00:26:43.04
special series
here that we are doing
00:26:43.07\00:26:44.65
that's called
magic and ghosts in the
00:26:44.68\00:26:47.19
Bible. There are
times when we do show
00:26:47.22\00:26:50.02
a picture on the
screen, that is a book
00:26:50.05\00:26:53.03
that we certainly
don't recommend, we're
00:26:53.06\00:26:54.83
simply doing this
to illustrate what is
00:26:54.86\00:26:58.03
happening in our
world and then to warn
00:26:58.06\00:27:00.98
people not to be
mislead and not to be
00:27:01.01\00:27:03.13
deceived and to
direct them away from
00:27:03.16\00:27:05.76
the darkness and
to the light of God's
00:27:05.79\00:27:07.81
love and it's true
if that's why we are
00:27:07.84\00:27:09.05
doing this. We are
heading these issues
00:27:09.08\00:27:11.10
head on, we are
talking about Wicca,
00:27:11.13\00:27:12.54
we are talking
about witchcraft, we are
00:27:12.57\00:27:13.88
talking about
mediums, we are talking
00:27:13.91\00:27:15.15
the occult, we are
talking about these
00:27:15.18\00:27:17.19
things because
they're happening all
00:27:17.22\00:27:18.25
around us and we
are doing it as a
00:27:18.28\00:27:20.23
warning, as a
warning to alert parents,
00:27:20.26\00:27:23.73
to guard their
kids and to encourage
00:27:23.76\00:27:25.97
people to give their
hearts to the one that
00:27:26.00\00:27:28.31
loves them and gave
his life on the cross
00:27:28.34\00:27:30.43
and he is the only
one that can heal and
00:27:30.46\00:27:33.43
fulfill and satisfy their souls.
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Thank you so much
Steve, this has been,
00:27:36.66\00:27:38.12
this has been a
great study and very
00:27:38.15\00:27:40.39
educational for myself as well.
00:27:40.42\00:27:41.98
Well our time is
quickly slipping away from us
00:27:42.59\00:27:44.89
and I'm sure that
you've enjoyed the
00:27:44.92\00:27:46.96
study as much as I
have and we've been
00:27:46.99\00:27:49.22
going from a
Biblical perspective,
00:27:49.25\00:27:51.27
exposing some of
the madness behind
00:27:51.30\00:27:54.33
the frenzy and so
forth and I like to
00:27:54.36\00:27:56.75
invite you to join
us again next time for
00:27:56.78\00:27:58.77
another edition
of Battles of Faith,
00:27:58.80\00:28:00.77
my name is David
Shin and I'm here with
00:28:01.25\00:28:02.77
Steve Wohlberg
and we would like to
00:28:02.80\00:28:04.62
invite you to join
us again next time and
00:28:04.65\00:28:06.97
live by every word that
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proceeds from the mouth of God.
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