Like to welcome you
today to Battles of Faith.
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My name is David Shin
I'm here with Steve Wohlberg,
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who is a speaker director
of White Horse Media based in
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Fresno, California. He is
the author of several books and
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this is a series of 13 in
which we've been delving into
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supernatural from a
Biblical perspective and like to
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welcome you here
to our program again.
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Thank you David.
So, as a pleasure
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talking with you. Now to start
out in such a stage for us,
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I've grown up as a young
person in the 21st century
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and 20th century and
from an imperious stand point
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of view, very scientific
stand point of view, but
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now as we've discussed
in this program there is
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scientific data
supporting the existence of
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something beyond our
five senses, something
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beyond what we can
see here, smell, taste and
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today we are gonna be
talking little bit about
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what is on the other
side and identify exactly what
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the spiritual forces
are that are babbling and
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drooling for our tension
and argue away our lives.
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That's right, there is
lot out there. There is
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certainly as lot going
on, as we talked about in
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previous programs. I'm
a strong believer in the
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supernatural, but
I believe there are
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two sides out there. There
is a good side and bad side
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and many people don't
seem to really grasp that
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at least especially
according to what the
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Bible actually says. It's
no secret that in the world of
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witchcraft and the occult
and the spiritualist world.
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People that are
mediums and clairvoyance and
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psychics they are
seeking supernatural power and
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they are finding
that, they are finding those
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supernatural powers.
Those that are mediums
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believe that the spirits
that are out there are the
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spirits of the dead.
Those who are into witchcraft
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and wicker and the
whole occult movement along
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those lines they believe
that the spirits of nature
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are out there that in
their rituals and their
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incantations and their
magic circles that they
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can contact the Spirit
of the North, the Spirit of
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the South, the Spirit of
the wind and the fire and
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the trees and forests.
They believe in that they are
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God's and Goddesses
and deities out there many
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different names the
list is endless. Hence, and
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some people believe
that the spirit of your dead
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dog or your dead cat or
your dead horse there also
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out there on the other
side. If they can possibly
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communicate with you
after they've barked their
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last bark. So there is a
lot of opinions about what is
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out there in the
supernatural world and
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more and more people are
seeking for that, they are
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searching for some kind
of contact with the other
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side. I have in my hand
a book written by a best
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selling author, her
name is Sylvia Browne.
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She is a modern
medium. She has been on
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television many
times. The Montel Williams
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Show hosts her or
actually has her as a guest
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a lot and she is New York
Times author and she tells
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a story in one of
her books about her first
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encounter with the other
side and this is what she
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said is quite fascinating.
The chapter is called
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Ghosts, I've known and
loved. She says many of
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you know the story of my
first one on one clears the
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bell no way around
it Spiritual Encounter,
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Spirit Encounter. I
was eight years old, I was
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alone in my bed one
night when a glow of light cut
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through the darkness and
the slightly vague form of
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a tall slender woman
with long black hairs step
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toward me from a core
of light and the voice said
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don't be afraid, I've
come from God and then this
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little girl she
says, I ran screaming to my
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grandmother after I
saw this apparition in my
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room and then she
said my grandmother calmly
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explained to me that I
had just received a visit from
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my Spirit Guide her
name was Elena, but I changed
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her name to Francine
for no apparent reason and
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like all spirit guides
she has been my closest,
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closest companion and
advisor every minute of
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everyday of my life from
that time until this time.
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And so this is just
a sample she was eight
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years old. Ghost
appeared in her bedroom and she
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believes that, that Ghost
was the Spirit of the dead
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person, who had now
come back to guide her as
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a Familiar Spirit and
that's what launched her
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on her career into
today's limelight as one of the
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most well known and
respected mediums of the
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21st century. Now it's
amazing to me David that
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when something happens
from the other side, some
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ghost or some spirit
that people just they don't
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question whether the
spirit might be tricking
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them, whether the
spirit might be deceiving them,
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she just assume that
because that ghost said
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I've come from God that
it must be true and I think
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there is a lot of a
gullibility and naivety in
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the general
population that when something
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supernatural happens
and some spiritual ghost or
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whatever happens that
they trust that it really is
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who it claims to be
and that is something that
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I think is very unfortunate
and very dangerous, and
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just like we often you
know when people tell us
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things we don't
always believe what they say.
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Why shouldn't we
question as well the
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voices and the
impressions and the
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apparitions and the
phantoms and whatever
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else goes bump in the
night that comes from the
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other side. We should be
questioning those as well.
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So, the common
element among whether they be
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witches, wicked, occult
is medium psychics is that
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they all have an
adherence or recognition
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that there is a
force on the other side.
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That there is
something out there.
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And I think it's almost
for those of us that haven't
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dabbled in this or
those of us that come from a
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world view that, that
doesn't believe in the
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supernatural. I think
one of the tendencies is when
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you recognize that
there is a force on the other
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side, the assumption
is, oh! it must be okay,
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because it's there,
because it exist, that's right,
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it must be, it must
be true in that regard.
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That's right people
trust, they trust the miracles.
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Okay. They trust what they
are being told and that's not a
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safe thing, safe thing
to do. It reminds me of the
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story and I've got some
of the unfortunate details in
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front of me maybe you
remember Scott Peterson
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that name ring the
bells, Scott Peterson.
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Laci Peterson.
Yeah, Laci Peterson's
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husband March 16, 2005,
32 year old Scott Peterson
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was sentenced to
death for murdering his
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pregnant wife Laci.
Before Laci's mysterious
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disappearance on
Christmas Eve 2005.
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Mr. Peterson appear to be
a friendly, a friendly man,
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his wife was
expecting a baby and all family
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members you know
looked at him and thought
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hey this is a happy Dad
to be. He took his wife out,
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he took her to dinner,
he conducted himself in a
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very friendly way
like a man that was excited
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about being a father,
who have during the murder
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trial even one of the
jurists commenting upon
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Mr. Peterson and she
had been dialoguing with him
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actually behind the
scenes that he was polite and
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friendly. Yet this
man underneath, cordial,
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friendly, happy. Exterior
was the darkest heart, an
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evil heart, a wicked
heart that did the unimaginable.
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He actually murdered
his pregnant wife and
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of course the baby as
well in April 14, 2003.
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Her unrecognizable
coats washed up on a shore,
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shoreline near San
Francisco and when all
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the evidence was
put together even though
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Mr. Peterson look
like a nice guy. There was
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something very, very
dark underneath his cordial
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exterior and he was a
murderer and what we see
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in the visible world,
these kind of things should
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teach us a lesson that
the same thing can happen in
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the invisible world, that
is because it ghost appeared
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to an eight year old
woman, eight year old
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girl and said I've
come from God and I'm
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wrapped in a robe of
light that doesn't mean that,
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that are really is the
spirit that comes from God.
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There is a verse in
second Corinthians chapter 11,
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verse 14, that says
that Satan himself can
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transform himself into
an angel of light and we're
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gonna be discussing
more in detail about that
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personality in the
future program, okay. And, what
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I like to do now David is
go to the Bible and take a
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look at Revelation
chapter 5 and start
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zeroing in on what the
Bible says about who is
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out there, who is in the
invisible world, invisible
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world. Revelation chapter
5, verse 11, maybe I'll let
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you read this text
I've been reading a lot of
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verses, so give you a
chance to take a look at
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that verse, Revelation
5:11, Revelation 5:11, right.
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Then I looked and I
heard the voice of many angels
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around the throne, the
living creatures and the
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elders; and the same
number of them was ten
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thousand times ten
thousands and thousands
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of thousands, that's
line. Okay and here talks about
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many angels. The book of
Revelation was written by
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John. He was taken in a
vision and he looked into
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the future and he saw
many things and one of
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the things that he saw
was angels. There are angels
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on the other side and the
angels that are referred to
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in this verse are
Holy Angels, they're good
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Angels, they're
angels that are on God side.
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In chapter 5, verse 12,
they are singing a song or
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they're praising, they're
praising Jesus and they're
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saying with the loud
voice, where is the lamb
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so they are God's
angels, they are on his side.
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And there is lot of verses
in the Bible to talk about
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angels. Angels are
not human beings, they are
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not the dead, they are not
the spirits of our departed
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or daily departed, who
have passed on. They are
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a unique specific distinct
creation an order of being
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that is not us. In the book
of Genesis at the very beginning
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of the Bible, angels
guarded the gate when
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Adam and Eve sent
they have to live and they
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would cheer up them,
they are with flaming
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sorts, they were not
people. All throughout
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the Bible, they
appear at different times.
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In the New Testament,
an angel appeared to the
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version Mary and told
her that she was gonna have a
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baby and that baby was
going to be Jesus himself.
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When Jesus rose from
the dead there were angels
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there at the tomb, one
of them rolled away the
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stone, another one was
on the inside and told the
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woman that he has been
resurrected from the dead
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and now here in
Revelation we see a many angels
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around, round about
God's throne and there is
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a lot of them as
you mention it says 10
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thousand times and 10
thousand and thousands
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of thousands now I
don't know if you can do the
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math in your head with
the calculator, but that's a
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lot of angels. So we know
that on the other side out
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there, there are Holy
angels, they are invisible,
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they protect us,
they guard us against the
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forces of Evil and
they are out there.
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And this is also saying
that the assumption also
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is that not only there
are millions of them, but
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these beings are
very powerful, they have
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supernatural
power. That's right.
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And their I think
throughout scripture it
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shows that in
comparison to human beings they
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have considerable
amount more powerful than we
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do is that, is that
is a sentence to form.
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That's right, there is
no question about that they
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are much stronger then
we are, they are taller
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than we are, they've
lived a lot longer then we've
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lived and they are
messengers of God to do
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with his will. Now,
here is another passage David
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first John chapter 4,
verse 1, first john 4, verse 1.
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Okay. The Bible says beloved
believe not every spirit;
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don't just believe
every spirit that shows up in
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your room or in your
home or somewhere else.
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Believe not every spirit,
but try the spirits to see
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whether they are
from God. So when Sylvia
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Brown describes as an
eight year old that this
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ghost appear to her from
the other side and said I'm
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from God what she
should have done is she
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should have tested
that spirit based upon the
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Bible to see whether
it really was from God or
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whether it wasn't. And
that's what the Bible says
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that we should test
them. Now here is another
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passage if you go to First
Timothy chapter 4, it tells
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us that not only do we
need to test the spirits, but
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it gives us a reason.
First Timothy, chapter 4, verse
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1 says now the spirit
and this is talking about the
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Holy Spirit, the Holy
Spirit speaks expressly so
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they are good angels
out there on the other side
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and there is the Holy
Spirit out there, God is
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out there, Jesus is out
there, the Holy Spirit is
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out there and the
Holy Spirit speaks to us
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through the Bible and
he says in the later times
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some shall depart from
the faith and they will
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give head to what.
Demons deceiving spirits
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and doctrines of the demons.
Right, okay my Bible says
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the seducing spirits,
what does you were saying
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seducing spirits or.
Deceiving, deceiving spirits.
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Deceiving spirits
right. So, here the Bible warns
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about seducing spirits
about deceiving spirits
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that will teach doctrines
of demons, doctrines or
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teachings that come from
the spirits do not line up
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with this book, they
are deceptive in their lives
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and the Bible warns us
about that. And the more
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you read this book you
discover that just as there
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are good angels on the
other side. So there are
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evil angels, there are
bad angels, there are angels
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that originally lived
in heaven, but they got
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kicked out and in the
next program we will talk
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more specifically
about why they got kicked out
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and about their
leader, who got kicked out with
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them, but the scripture
is very clear that there are
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tricksters our there
on the other side and we
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shouldn't just accept
everything they say and
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just know for sure
that you know hey, it's a
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supernatural being,
it must be telling me the
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truth not so. And we've
got to watch it out for that.
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Now let's take a look
at another passage here in
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the Book of Mark; it's
a chapter Mark chapter 5,
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Mark 5 is an amazing
passage. The gospel of
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Mark second book of
the New Testament talks
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about an encounter
between Jesus Christ and
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a man, who was basically
a lunatic, he was a crazy
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man, he had lost his
mind and the reason is because
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something from the
other side had come into his
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heart, into his life.
Verse 1 talks about how
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Jesus was in a boat, he
came to the other side of
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this country called
the Gadarenes and verse 2
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says when he came out of
the ship immediately they're
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met him out of the
tombs a man within unclean
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spirits. This man was,
he was insane, he was living
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in the cemetery out of
the tombs it says. Verse 3
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says his dwelling
was among the tombs, very
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scary person can
you imagine. You know,
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taking a walk one, one
afternoon in the cemetery
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looking at tombstones
and have this man just
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run out at you screaming
and half naked, chains,
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you know, dangling
from his wrists that's what,
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that's what happening
here. It says no man could bind
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him not with chains
because he had been often
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bound with fetters and
chains and the chains had
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been plucked asunder by
him, and the fetters were
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broken in pieces.
Neither could any man tame him,
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he was very
powerful because someone was
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dwelling inside him.
It says night and day he
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was in the mountains,
in the tombs crying and
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cutting himself with
stones. Just an awful
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picture of a
specimen, specimen of humanity
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that's in big trouble.
And then it says verse 6
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when he saw Jesus a
far off he ran and he
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worshiped him and
then he cried with the loud
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voice. And there was
something inside of him
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that recognized that he
was in the presence of his
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deliverer and he wanted
to appeal to Jesus for help.
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But, as he opened
his mouth another voice
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spoke through him. He
cried with a loud voice
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and the voice said,
what have I to do with you,
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Jesus, the son of the
most high God. I adjure you by
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God, that you torment
me not, so frightening,
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frightening passage.
For Jesus had told him to
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come, told the spirit
to come out of that man you
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unclaimed spirit.
Now look at verse 9,
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Jesus asked him he
said what is your name?
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So, here's this man
in front of him you know
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frothing of the mouth,
naked, bleeding, cutting
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himself, screaming
out. And Jesus looks at him
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and says what's
your name, who are you?
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Tell me who you really
are? And look at the response.
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In verse 9 what did,
what did the voice say that
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spoke from within
this man's body and he
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answered and said
my name is Legion,
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for we are many.
That's right; my name is
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Legion, for we are many now.
A Legion was actually a Roman,
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a group of Roman
troops in the Roman army and
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you can do your research
on this historians tell us
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that within a
Roman Legion there was
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approximately 3 to 5000
different troops and this
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voice said my name
is Legion and he said
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because we are many,
there is a lot of us in here
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and they began a
little, a little appeal as these
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demons are speaking
their appealing to Jesus and it
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says that they be
sought him that he would not
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send them away
out of the country.
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Verse 11 says there
was near on to, on the
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mountains a great herd
of swine feeding, there was
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a whole big group of
pigs that were on the mountain
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just casually grazing
and eating grass and all the
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devils, it says all
the devils be sought him
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saying send us into
the pigs that we may enter
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them and Jesus gave
them leave, he said go.
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And then verse 13 says
the unclean spirits they
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went out, they entered
into the pigs and the herd
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ran violently, violently
down a steep place into
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the sea. They were
about 2000 of them and they
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were choked in the sea.
Just a little bit of tongue
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and cheek humor. Have you
ever heard of deviled ham?
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Deviled ham.
Yeah, deviled ham it's a
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rather common, common
phrase. Well, I think this
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is what comes from. This
is what comes from these,
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these devils went into
the pigs and they push them
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down this
hillside and they push them
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into, into the
water. Now some people would
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say when they read the
Bible or when they just
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think about you know
mental illness they would
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think this man was just
insane. There really aren't
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any supernatural forces
out there. There is all just
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humanistic, they don't
really believe in any real
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demons, they would say
this is just some idea that
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goes back to the dark
ages. But if you look at
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the text this can't be
a man simply with a mental
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illness because these
spirits that were in him
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came out of him, crossed
through the air went into
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2000 pigs, move the pigs
down a slope and they all
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drown in the water. And
so you know did a mental
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illness do that? Who did
that? If we believe the bible
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who did that? It's
demons according to
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the Bible. Yeah,
that's right according to
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the Bible it was Legion
and then finally in verse
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15 it talks about the
people of the area they
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came back to Jesus and
they saw this man. It says
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who was possessed
with the devil, who had the
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Legion. He was
sitting and he was clothed and
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now he was in his
right mind. Right mind.
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That's right; he was in
his right mind. It is a right
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mind to realize that in
the invisible world there are
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two forces, there are
holy angels, there is the Holy
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Spirit and there
also deceiving spirits,
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seducing spirits
who teach doctrines of
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demons, invisible
agencies the Bible calls
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them devils, they are demons.
They were 3 to 5000 of them
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inside this person
they came out, push the pigs
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into the sea and
then they went somewhere.
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Who knows
exactly, where they went?
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And then the man was
left there in his right mind
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and God wants us to be
thinking in a right mind,
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as we think about what's
going on in the invisible
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world. And it's very
clear from these verses that
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there are forces of evil
that are as the Bible calls
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them they are devils,
they are demons. And in the
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next program, we are
gonna look at the issue of
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whether they have a
leader and it's amazing to
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me that when you, when
you just take a surface
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look, I don't recommend
the people go very deep,
00:20:31.59\00:20:34.94
but if you take a
surface look at what is being
00:20:34.97\00:20:37.19
taught by popular
mediums by those that are
00:20:37.22\00:20:39.95
involved in wicked
and witchcraft it's pretty
00:20:39.98\00:20:42.19
common knowledge that
they publicly say that
00:20:42.22\00:20:45.70
they don't believe
there is a devil out there.
00:20:45.73\00:20:47.55
They don't believe in
demons, fallen angels,
00:20:47.58\00:20:50.87
they just don't, they
don't buy this and they are
00:20:51.86\00:20:54.23
open to all kinds of
other things and the problem is
00:20:54.26\00:20:57.86
David that they don't
question, they don't test.
00:20:57.89\00:21:00.55
They are not, they are
not discerning to recognize
00:21:00.58\00:21:06.31
that what's out there
is not what they realize.
00:21:06.67\00:21:10.41
Now it's, it's evil
spirit, it's evil angels, it's
00:21:10.44\00:21:13.24
demons and these
demons, these evil angels
00:21:13.27\00:21:15.78
can very easily
impersonate a dead person.
00:21:15.81\00:21:18.68
They have got an
agenda, they are powerful and
00:21:19.42\00:21:21.83
their goal is to trick
and deceive and seduce and
00:21:21.86\00:21:24.58
eventually come inside
of us and to takeover and
00:21:24.61\00:21:27.58
then to bring us down and
to drag us into the pit to
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the cemetery life. And
it's also amazing that lot of
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people today are
focused on death. Not too long
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ago, I was in a
record shop and I was just
00:21:37.82\00:21:40.89
scanning the covers of
lot of the rock and roll
00:21:40.92\00:21:44.43
albums and I used to
listen to a lot of these
00:21:44.46\00:21:46.55
groups, I was a big
rock and roller in my teen
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years until my eyes
were open and I came out of
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that and a lot of the
covers of the popular rock
00:21:51.50\00:21:55.32
groups have themes of
death and darkness and skulls.
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And it just reminds me
of Mark 5 that when the
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demons come in
then what happens?
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You know they, they move
this man into a cemetery.
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Cemetery. Into a
cemetery that's right,
00:22:10.20\00:22:12.02
insanity and that's
the goal of the devil and
00:22:12.34\00:22:15.77
these forces are out
there and they are real and if
00:22:15.80\00:22:18.28
we don't want to be
possessed by this demons,
00:22:18.31\00:22:20.06
by this legion then we
need to be discerning and
00:22:20.09\00:22:23.86
we need to test everything
by scripture and not just
00:22:23.89\00:22:26.21
be open to any ghost
that says I come from God
00:22:26.24\00:22:31.14
because it may not
come from God. May be a
00:22:31.61\00:22:33.18
lying,
deceiving seducing spirit.
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So, just to recap what
we talked about up to this
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point, the Bible is
clear that in the Book of
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Revelation there
are myriads, hundreds,
00:22:39.26\00:22:41.61
thousands. If not
millions of angels that surround
00:22:41.64\00:22:44.46
the throne of God.
These beings are more powerful
00:22:44.49\00:22:46.24
then we are and on
the counterpart of that we
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have fallen angels,
which we call demons and these
00:22:48.70\00:22:51.98
demons and angels are
on opposite sides. They are
00:22:52.01\00:22:54.63
spirits in the sense and
our duty according to first
00:22:54.66\00:22:58.66
John I think it was
that said we have to test the
00:22:58.69\00:23:01.30
spirits. In other
words, just because the spirit
00:23:01.33\00:23:03.03
comes in the way when
supernatural, we are not
00:23:03.06\00:23:05.36
just to be lay our
hands and say oh! this must be
00:23:05.39\00:23:07.70
true or we have to test
the spirits. And we have also
00:23:07.73\00:23:10.60
shown according to Mark
chapter 5 that these evil
00:23:10.63\00:23:15.07
spirits want to
possess human beings. There is
00:23:15.10\00:23:18.05
an element of possession.
It's their desire to inhabit
00:23:18.08\00:23:21.44
and to control us as
individuals and so it's a,
00:23:21.47\00:23:24.89
it's a solemn factor,
there is some dangerous ground
00:23:24.92\00:23:27.56
that you are delving
into here. If you dabble into
00:23:27.59\00:23:30.46
the spiritual world
without a discerning eye.
00:23:30.49\00:23:33.18
That's exactly right and
as we talk about this our
00:23:33.21\00:23:36.36
goal is not to
make anybody afraid.
00:23:36.39\00:23:38.03
Sure. We don't want to
scare you because when you
00:23:38.06\00:23:41.01
keep reading the Bible we
discover that the angels of
00:23:41.04\00:23:43.25
God are much more
powerful then Satan
00:23:43.28\00:23:44.93
angels. We don't have
to be afraid of the evil
00:23:44.96\00:23:46.65
angels, we don't
have to worry about Legion
00:23:46.68\00:23:48.38
because God's angels are
stronger and if we are on
00:23:48.41\00:23:50.97
God side and if we
surrender our life to the
00:23:51.00\00:23:52.62
Lord, he will send
his angels to protect us.
00:23:52.65\00:23:55.23
One of my favorite
passages it's on 34 verse
00:23:55.26\00:23:58.35
7, 34:7 it says the
angel of the Lord in camps
00:23:58.38\00:24:02.49
around about them
that fear him and delivers
00:24:02.52\00:24:06.14
them. Now, why would
angels need to deliver us
00:24:06.17\00:24:08.96
unless we were
exposed to evil forces.
00:24:09.79\00:24:11.94
There is a good book
that I can recommend and it's
00:24:11.97\00:24:14.88
called must have
been an angel. We don't
00:24:14.91\00:24:17.39
particularly sell in our
ministry, but it's not hard
00:24:17.42\00:24:20.13
to find out there in a
bookstore. It must have
00:24:20.16\00:24:22.36
been an angel and that
book is full of stories of
00:24:22.39\00:24:25.23
angels that have
appeared to people and protected
00:24:25.26\00:24:27.89
them. Sometimes in
human form and they
00:24:27.92\00:24:29.85
were immediately
recognized as angels.
00:24:29.88\00:24:32.24
One of my favorite
story is one about an old
00:24:32.27\00:24:34.41
women and she was in
a cabin and she had her
00:24:34.44\00:24:38.12
wood for her fire and in
one particular winter she
00:24:38.15\00:24:40.88
ran out of wood and it got
colder and colder and colder
00:24:40.91\00:24:43.87
and she was hoping and
praying that her friends
00:24:43.90\00:24:46.38
would come and give
her some more wood, but she
00:24:46.41\00:24:48.93
couldn't get hold of
them and the temperature was
00:24:48.96\00:24:51.18
dropping fast and so
she started praying to God.
00:24:51.21\00:24:53.66
God, please you got to
help me, I just may freeze
00:24:53.69\00:24:56.43
up here. And so all
the sudden unexpectedly the
00:24:56.46\00:24:59.71
door opened and a man
walked in, a tall man that
00:24:59.74\00:25:02.78
she had never seen and
he was very noble looking,
00:25:02.81\00:25:05.46
had a smile on his
face and he was carrying a
00:25:05.49\00:25:07.67
handful of wood. And
he didn't say a word came
00:25:07.70\00:25:10.51
in, put wood by the
fire, went out the door came
00:25:10.54\00:25:13.08
back in put more wood by
the fire, went out the door
00:25:13.11\00:25:15.92
came back in put more
wood by the fire, and then
00:25:16.12\00:25:18.50
he went out one more
time came back in and
00:25:18.53\00:25:21.19
put wood by the fire
and then he took some of it
00:25:21.22\00:25:23.60
got some kindling going
and started this fire and
00:25:23.63\00:25:26.64
once the fire was
going and the warmth was
00:25:26.67\00:25:28.71
starting come into the
house. He turned around
00:25:28.74\00:25:30.92
and he started walking
towards the door and this
00:25:31.89\00:25:34.31
woman, and this is
recorded in this book,
00:25:34.34\00:25:36.15
it must have been
an angel, the women was
00:25:36.18\00:25:38.39
looking at him and
they won't say anything back
00:25:38.42\00:25:40.37
and forth throughout
the whole time. And as this
00:25:40.40\00:25:42.73
man was walking out
the door after starting the
00:25:42.76\00:25:45.09
fire, she had this
feeling that he was gonna go out
00:25:45.12\00:25:47.66
and not come back
and she began to think to
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herself this, this
may be. Must be an angel.
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Must be an angel
right, that's what the book's
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called must be an
angel and she may be had read
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a verse like this, that
the angel of the Lord in
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camps around about them
that fear him and delivers them.
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And so this is what
happened David as the
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man walked out for the
last time in her mind she
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looked at him and
spoke a mental word without
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verbally saying it, she
just said in her mind she said
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are you an angel of
God? And right before the man
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walked out he turned
and he looked at her and he
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smiled then he went like this.
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In other words.
He just gave a, Yes.
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He just gave a nod
and then he walked out,
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closed the door and
she went out after him and
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she looked and there
was a lot of snow on the
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ground and he was gone
and there, there was no
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footprints in the snow
at all and she just went,
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Wow! I have just seen an
angel of God in human form.
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Wow! And he was tall
and noble, and he smiled and
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he had a very
intelligent and loving
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look about his face.
And that's a wonderful
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story and so as we
talk about demons and
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deceiving spirits on
the other side. Let's not be
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afraid, let's trust in
the lord that he will protect
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us with holy angels.
But, let's also be very well
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aware that according to
this book there are good
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angels out there and
there are bad angels deceiving
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angels that are trying
to trick us and deceive us
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and lead us away from
Bible truth and let's not
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follow them anytime
they may show up and try to
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convince us
contrary to God's book.
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Well, thank you so
much Steve. This has been a
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reveling study and
discussion of this past
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half hour has been who
dwells on the other side
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the battle between
angels and demons. And as we
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pray for you that you
will not just go out into the
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supernatural, but that
you will learn to test the
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spirits by the word of
God. I would like to invite you
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join us next time, we
will be delving a little bit
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more into this who is
the leader of these demons.
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May Lord bless you and
keep you and that's our
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pray, that you remain
faithful to scripture.
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