I like to welcome you to
Battles of Faith, my name
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is David Shin and we are
here with Steve Wohlberg.
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He is the speaker director
of White Horse Media based
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in Fresno, California.
He is the author of several
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books and this is a
series of 13 programs delving
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into the supernatural
from a biblical perspective.
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I would like to welcome
you again to our program here.
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Thank you, David. Now,
we've mentioned in our previous
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episodes about this
White Horse Media and you
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mentioned some books off
hand. Now where can they find
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more information if
they wanted to do so. Right,
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thank you, I've been asked
to do this special series on
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the occult because I've
done a lot of research into the
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dangers of things that
are happening in our society.
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We do have a website
which is whitehorsemedia.com,
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whitehorsemedia.com.
It's just loaded with
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information. There
is articles, there is TV
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programs you can actually
just watch, you can click
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and you can listen to
programs and so we're just
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trying to share information
with the world that is
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mixed up and confused
and one of the big areas of
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confusion David has to
do with magic and witchcraft
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and wicca and sorcery
and the occult and that's the
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reason why our society
is experiencing a massive
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shift into the Supernatural,
Hollywood that has been
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promoting for the last
10 years, just a whole host
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of television programs
and movies that talk about
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talking to the dead,
they talk about cruel women,
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who have supernatural powers
and then there is of course
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Harry Potter, which
we'll come to it at a future
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program and really just
go into more detail about
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the controversies surrounding
Potter mania. But we're
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concerned that people
are moving into the occult
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and it's actually happening,
we're not just reading books
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about it, we're not just
watching movies about it, but
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its really happening. I
was in Canada holding a seminar
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and a young boy walked
up to me about 15 years old,
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he had a pentagram
around his neck and I had been
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talking about the
dangers of the occult and
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witchcraft, and he said
I am not, I'm not concerned
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about it. He said I
won't go into anything that's
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dark and he said the reason
is because I'm gonna follow
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my heart, that's what he
said, I'm gonna follow my
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heart and when he said
that, you know, that caused
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me to think of the
Bible text in the Book of
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Proverbs that says, he
who trusts in his own heart is
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a fool, we can't trust our
hearts, we can't trust just
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our own experience,
we have to have something
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bigger to rely on then
just humanity and that's
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what we really want to
focus on today, the weakness
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of witchcraft, the weakness
of the occult, because it's
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just, its based on
human experience, it doesn't
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really have anything solid,
I'm reminded of a scripture
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in Second Peter, chapter
1, verse 19, it's a powerful
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passage, where Peter
said we have also a more sure
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word of prophecy, we have
a more sure word. David, I
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grew up in California,
live there now and even
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the ground under our feet
in California is not sure.
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I've been in many
earthquakes and I used
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to live not far from the
St. Andreas Fault Line and
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I'm thankful that I now live
up in the mountains a little
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bit farther away from that
crack, but the ground isn't
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stable, this world
isn't stable, there is nothing
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stable on planet earth,
nothing that is of man or
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of the earth, what is stable
is God's word, a sure word
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of prophecy. Now we
talked about in our previous
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programs, we've been
taking the journey through the
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Bible, it's been on
scripture and we have gone
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through Exodus, talked
about Moses and magicians,
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we've talked about in
the Book of Acts dealing
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with the first century
church and the holy spirit.
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That's right. And the
power then and on the other side
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of this dual almost
is magicians and then we
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saw in the Book of
Revelation how in the
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last day deception, the
sorcerers, the magicians
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are gonna be involved
and this was also a solemn
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warning to those that
delve into this, and today
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we're going to another
part of the Bible, am I correct,
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It's correct. And
what part of the Bible
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are we gonna be looking
at. We are gonna go to, we
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are gonna go to Daniel
chapter 2, Daniel chapter
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2 deals with what I would
call the weakness of magic
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and it deals with the
dream that was given to
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the King of Babylon and
how his advisors came in
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to try to interpret
the dream and they were
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clueless, and there is
a lot of lessons that we
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can learn there, so let's
go to, let's go there. Daniel
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chapter 2. Let's go to
Daniel chapter 2. Right,
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Daniel chapter 2. And
again just a recap, we've
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been talking
about the battle and the
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centrality of the
struggle in the Bible concerning
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magic as well. Exodus,
we mentioned the battle with
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Pharaoh's magicians
against the work of God through
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Moses, we looked at Acts,
the spread of the Gospel and
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the struggle with that
Elymas the sorcerer and
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Simon the sorcerer, in
Book of Revelation sorcerers
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will end up in the
lake of fire, Revelation 21,
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verse 8. And now we'll go
to Daniel 2 and let's take
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a, look at another chapter
that deals with this whole
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issue of magic and the
occult. Daniel 2, verse 1
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talks about, in the
second year of the reign of
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Nebuchadnezzar, the King
of Babylon, he had dreams,
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he dreamed dreams and
then he woke up and he had this
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incredible dream and it
woke him up out of sleep
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and I don't believe
all dreams come from God,
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I mean you can eat too
much food before you go
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to bed and dream up
a storm, but this was
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not just a normal
dream, this was a supernatural
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dream that God gave
him, and when he woke up he
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knew it was important,
but he couldn't remember it
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and so he called in his
counselors. In verse 2, it
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says then the king, the
King of Babylon commanded
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to call the magicians,
and the astrologers, and the
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sorcerers and the Chaldeans
to show the king his dream.
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Now again it's
significant that magicians and
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sorcerers had worked
their way in to the highest
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parts of the kingdom of
Babylon and it's happening
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today, sorcery and
magic and witchcraft it's
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recognized by the
Federal Government, it's being
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practiced in the military,
it's moving into Washington
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DC. I could share a lot
of stories about the in roads
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of magic in our
society, its getting bigger and
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bigger and bigger and
bigger and people don't
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see what's going on behind
the scenes and that's what
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we're trying to do. So
back in ancient Babylon, this
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is a lesson that we
can learn a lot from, the
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king woke up, he had a
dream, he didn't remember
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it, so he called in his
magicians and his sorcerers
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to tell him his dream
and could they do it, were
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they able to interpret,
tell him a dream and then
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interpret it for him. So
this King, Nebuchadnezzar
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has a dream, he forgets
to dream and so the next
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logical conclusion is
to go to individuals whom
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he thinks would have the
answers and he asked these
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magicians, astrologers
and sorcerers, can you tell me
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what I dreamed in my own
bed. That's right. And the
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interpretation, he
wanted to know two things, what
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did I dream and what does
it mean and these men were
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clueless. They didn't
have the answers. They didn't
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have the answers. Their
religion, their connection
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to their supernatural
world failed them and they were
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weak and clueless, and
they said to the king, they said
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well, you need to tell
us what you dreamed and then
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we will tell you
interpretation. We'll come up
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with one. And Nebuchadnezzar
was no dummy and he figured out
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that if you can't tell
me what I dreamed in the
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first place, surely
you can come up with any
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interpretation and he
finally said that if you
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don't tell me my dream
and the interpretation, he
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said in verse 9, then I
will know that you have prepared
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lying and corrupt
words before me, lying and
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corrupt words from the
magicians, now it reminds
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me of somebody I heard
called the psychic hotline
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and he got on the
phone with this supposed
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clairvoyant psychic and
the psychic wanted to, you
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know, offer to tell him
his future, the person who
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called in and he said
first you have to give me your
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credit card and then I
will tell you your future, and
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then the person said well
if you are a psychic you are
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supposed to know that.
You should know my credit
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card number. Yeah, you
should know my credit card well
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obviously they, that
person didn't know and there is
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just so much out there
that is just, as the Bible says
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lying and corrupt
words, now I'm not saying there
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is no real supernatural
power out there, there is
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real supernatural power
in the occult world, but many
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times that power just
does not come to the rescue of
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its practitioners and
when it does come, there are
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times when psychics can
predict certain things, but
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they don't have a 100%
accuracy and many times
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they don't know what
they are talking about and in
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Daniel 2, it really
lifts the veil and reveals that
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when you give right down
to it, these magicians and
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astrologers and sorcerers
are ultimately clueless
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when it comes to what's
most important in life and
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in this situation they
had prepared corrupt and lying
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words before the King of
Babylon and they couldn't
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come up with an
interpretation, the dream
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or the interpretation.
So in this passage, now
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we've noted in our previous
programs that there is real
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power behind the
occult, behind witchcraft and so
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forth, but this shows
a different angle on it,
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perhaps that even though
there is power, there is some
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will be called "limitations"
to this power. Yes, and its
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erratic, I mean God's
power, his sure word of
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prophecy is stable and
solid. God never leads us
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astray, he always tells
us the truth and he always
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directs us right. In
the whole confusing world of
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magic and the occult
and sorcery, there is so
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much variety, there is so
many opinions, there is so
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many waves of personality
and views, and view points
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and even the spirits
themselves that claim to
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be guiding these people or
that they claim are guiding
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them, these goes to
the spirits and apparitions
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familiar spirits that we
are gonna talk more about
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them later, they are not
reliable and they let their
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own magicians down in
Daniel chapter 2 and so
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Nebuchadnezzar said
that's it. He said you're done.
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Execution. And he send
out the word to gather all of
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the astrologers and
magicians in his realm
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and to kill them all.
Well, there was a man named
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Daniel, a Jew, who was a
captive in Babylon and he
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was considered to be part
of the magicians and so he was
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supposed to be executed
as well, and he came before
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the king and he said
wait a minute, give me
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sometime, let me pray,
let me talk to God and let me
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interpret, let me see
if God will give me the
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answer and so Daniel prayed
and God gave him an answer,
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it says in Daniel 2,
verse 19, that the secret was
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revealed to Daniel in a
night vision, the secret
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was revealed to Daniel
in a night vision, and this
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is very important, this is
a Revelation that came from
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God to his prophet and
then Daniel came back in before
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Nebuchadnezzar and he began
to explain this and may be I
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should just mention verse
20, it says Daniel answered
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and said, "blessed be
the name of God forever and
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ever, for wisdom and
might are his," right, God has
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wisdom, God has might,
God has power, and verse 22
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Daniel said he reveals
the deep and the secret things
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and as we read this chapter
we are gonna see this is a
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prophecy, a sure word
of prophecy that God has
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revealed to his servant,
to his Jewish prophet Daniel.
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So we're looking at
this story and it's just
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fascinating to me, the
magicians, the astrologers
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were incapable, incompetent
of revealing what the king
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dreamed in his own bed
and here comes Daniel, he says
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wait a minute, he goes
to God, prays, God reveals
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what Nebuchadnezzar
dreamed in his own bed. That's
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right. That's
amazing. Because God gave him
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a dream in the first
place and then God revealed
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what he gave to
Nebuchadnezzar, he revealed
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it to Daniel, showed
him the dream and then
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showed him the
interpretation. So here
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comes this Jewish
prophet, this Jewish prophet,
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captive prophet stands
before the King of Babylon,
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the greatest king on earth,
and he says, Nebuchadnezzar,
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let me tell you what you
dreamed and let me tell you
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what it means. So, he
reveals that in verse 31,
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he says, you O! King you
saw behold a great image, a
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big statue, actually it was
a statue of a man, which we'll
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come back to, a great image,
the image was excellent and
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it stood before you,
its form was terrible. Verse
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32, he said the image's
head was fine gold, its breast
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and his arms were
silver, its belly and thighs of
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brace, its legs were legs
of iron, and its feet were
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part of iron and part
of clay, and then verse 34
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says, you saw until a
stone or a rock was cutout
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without hands, without
human hands and it smote
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the image upon its feet
and then it broke them all to
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pieces, and then
Daniel said that rock became a
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great mountain and
filled the whole earth and I can
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just picture Nebuchadnezzar's
eyes just getting really
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big, is now dropped
open he just went. That's
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what I dreamed. That's
it. That's what I dreamed.
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That's what I dreamed.
I remember it now and so
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then the next obvious
question is. What's the
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interpretation. Yeah, what
does it mean? And so Daniel
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then explained it and in
verse 36, he said this is
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the dream and I will
tell you the interpretation
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before the king and
then verses 37 and 38, he
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describes the King of
Babylon, who was a powerful
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king Nebuchadnezzar, the
name Nebuchadnezzar had been
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uncovered on the
ancient bricks of Babylon at the
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ruins south of Baghdad,
so he was a real person, this
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was a real place and
his name is still on there
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today. And in verse, at
the end of verse 38, Daniel
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said to Nebuchadnezzar,
you are this head of gold, you
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representing, you
Nebuchadnezzar and your
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kingdom, you are the
head of gold, the head of gold
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represents Babylon, the
king and his kingdom, and
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then verse 39, he
said after you shall arise
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another kingdom, there
would be another kingdom
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that would be a bronze
kingdom, I'm sorry, silver
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kingdom, and then after
you there would be a third
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kingdom, another one
after that a kingdom of bronze,
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and then verse 40, there
would be a fourth kingdom,
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strong as iron, so he
goes to the gold kingdom, then
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the brass or the
silver and then the brass and
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then the iron and
then he goes on and says
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talking about the toes
or the feet of the image
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he says that verse 41, where
as you saw the feet and the
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toes part of potter's clay
and part of iron, the kingdom
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would be divided and then
at the end of verse 42, he says
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the division would be partly
strong, partly broken, and
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then verse 44, he says
in the days of these kings,
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shall the God of heaven
set up a kingdom which shall
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never be destroyed and
the kingdom shall not be left
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to other people not to
man, but it shall break in
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pieces and consume all
these kingdoms and it shall
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stand forever.
Forever. Right. So what he does
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is he reveals is there
is the head of gold and that
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represents the Kingdom
of Babylon, after you would
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come another kingdom,
a silver kingdom and that
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represented the Kingdom of
Persia that follow Babylon.
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And then after the Persian
kingdom would come another
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kingdom of brass and
that would be the Kingdom of
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Greece. And after the
Kingdom of Greece would
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come another kingdom, the
iron legs representing the
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Kingdom of Rome and then
when Rome would be divided
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among the 10 toes,
Rome fell and it was divided
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among 10 nations, some of
which were strong, some of
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which, which were weak
and that basic sweep reveals
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world history from the time
of ancient Babylon to Persia
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to Greece to Rome to
the breakdown of the Roman
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Empire to its division
all the way down until the end
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of time. Wow! And if we
go down to verse 45, then he
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describes the coming of
the rock and Daniel said as
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much as you saw that a
stone was cut out without human
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hands and it broke in
pieces the iron, the brass,
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the clay, the silver
and the gold, so the Great
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God has made known to
the king what shall come to
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pass here after. And the
last part of verse 45 is so
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powerful, it says and
the dream is certain and the
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interpretation is
sure. So what happens is the
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magicians didn't have the
answer, they were clueless,
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they couldn't see
the future, they couldn't
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interpret the dream,
they didn't know what the
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dream was, they couldn't
interpret it, Daniel comes
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in, God reveals it to
him, he shows him the nations
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point by, point by,
point and that's exactly what
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happened. Babylon was
known for its gold, if you
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study history, the time
of the hanging gardens of
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Babylon, one of the
historians back then said
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that Babylon was the
land full of gold and then the
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next nation would be the
Persian nation, which was
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represented as silver,
the silver arms and the
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Persians were known
for their silver, they paid
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their taxes in silver,
and if you go down to the next
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kingdom Greece that took
over the Persians, it was
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a kingdom of brass and the
Greeks were known for their
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brass, they fought their
battles with brass, brass
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shields, brass swords,
they had a lot of brass, and
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if you go down to the
next kingdom, the Roman Empire,
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it was referred to as
iron and the great historian,
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Edward Gibbon referred to
the iron monarchy of Rome.
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And the Romans fought their
battles with iron swords and
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they were known for their
iron and then Rome did fall,
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it was divided among the
10 nations, some were strong,
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some were weak and that
division has gone all the
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way down to this
day. If you look at Europe
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today, you know, the
Germans and the French
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and the various kingdoms
of Europe don't always see eye
00:17:03.44\00:17:06.70
to eye and that division
has continued to this day
00:17:06.73\00:17:09.42
and finally it says at
the end of the dream, where
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Daniel looked at
Nebuchadnezzar he said there
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is a rock, there is a
rock coming down from the sky,
00:17:13.61\00:17:16.43
and that rock represents
God's kingdom and when it
00:17:16.46\00:17:19.52
comes it's going to hit
the image, which is represented
00:17:19.55\00:17:23.47
as a man and it will
crush the image of man and it
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will then fill the earth
and Daniel looked right at
00:17:27.45\00:17:29.97
the king and said this
dream is certain and this
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interpretation is sure.
And, and, you know, it's
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just, its so significant
that in the world around
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us, in the world of the
occult especially as what
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we are looking at in
this special series, occultism
00:17:42.48\00:17:46.63
has nothing solid, nothing
sure, there is some of this
00:17:46.66\00:17:50.47
article I referred to before
that appeared in, Beliefnet
00:17:50.50\00:17:53.50
called, the witch
next door, it's, here's a
00:17:53.53\00:17:56.08
spokesman for witchcraft
and this spokesman says
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there is no sacred
text within witchcraft.
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No creed. We are and
they say tongue and sheep, we
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are non-prophet and they
use the prophet they spell
00:18:05.42\00:18:08.90
prophet, they are
non-prophet, in other
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words, in witchcraft there
is no prophets, there is no
00:18:12.02\00:18:14.67
Bible, there is no central
authority, it's all really
00:18:14.70\00:18:18.57
based upon, based
upon experience, based upon
00:18:18.60\00:18:21.84
their own ideas, based
upon various traditions, based
00:18:21.87\00:18:26.07
upon, you know, their
interpretation of rituals,
00:18:26.10\00:18:28.38
they do have many
times those that practice
00:18:28.41\00:18:30.69
witchcraft have what
they call a book of shadows,
00:18:30.72\00:18:32.82
which is their, their diary
where they write down their
00:18:32.85\00:18:35.32
spells and their different
rituals that they use that
00:18:35.35\00:18:38.37
work for them, like the
whole arena really is just
00:18:38.40\00:18:42.09
up for grabs and the
point of Daniel chapter 2 is to
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show us that the magicians
when it comes to really
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understanding the things
of God and the things of the
00:18:52.11\00:18:55.07
future they fall flat,
they are clueless, they have no
00:18:55.10\00:18:58.84
knowledge, even
though they claimed, they had
00:18:58.87\00:19:02.02
all these claims
that's how they worked their
00:19:02.05\00:19:03.42
way up to Nebuchadnezzar's inner
00:19:03.45\00:19:05.47
circle, but when
it right, when it came
00:19:05.50\00:19:07.61
right down to it,
they didn't have it
00:19:07.64\00:19:10.01
and then Daniel walked in and
00:19:10.04\00:19:12.07
Daniel said, God
has shown me the real,
00:19:12.10\00:19:15.44
the dream and the meaning and he
00:19:15.47\00:19:18.46
went right down
through it, and he showed a
00:19:18.49\00:19:20.86
real kingdom of
Babylon followed by another
00:19:20.89\00:19:23.04
kingdom,
another kingdom, another
00:19:23.07\00:19:24.72
kingdom and then a break down
00:19:24.75\00:19:26.23
all the way to the end of time.
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And, David and anyone
out there, if you study
00:19:27.63\00:19:30.92
Bible and if you
study history, you will
00:19:30.95\00:19:33.78
that the dream
of Nebuchadnezzar in
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Daniel chapter two,
that was interpreted
00:19:37.50\00:19:39.61
by this Jewish prophet
that it follows history
00:19:39.64\00:19:43.02
exactly that it
fits Babylon, Persia,
00:19:43.05\00:19:47.04
Greeks, Rome, the
division all the way
00:19:47.07\00:19:50.02
down to today, and
it just, it reveals
00:19:50.05\00:19:53.40
to us that as it
says here in Daniel
00:19:53.43\00:19:57.03
chapter 2, verse 19,
the secret was revealed
00:19:57.06\00:20:00.37
to Daniel in a night
vision, it was revealed
00:20:00.40\00:20:03.74
and Daniel
blessed the name of God.
00:20:03.77\00:20:07.62
And, Daniel said,
he reveals the deep and
00:20:08.83\00:20:10.56
the secret things,
this book is solid.
00:20:10.59\00:20:13.31
Prophecy is a sure word.
00:20:13.34\00:20:16.42
Peter said, we
have a sure word of
00:20:16.45\00:20:18.76
prophecy. And, I
think it's, it's very
00:20:18.79\00:20:22.37
significant that at
the end of Daniel 2,
00:20:22.40\00:20:24.70
the rock comes and
that rock represents the
00:20:24.73\00:20:30.15
return of Jesus
Christ, that rock is Christ
00:20:30.18\00:20:32.70
coming and Christ
coming is represented as a
00:20:32.73\00:20:35.73
rock, which hits
the image of man and
00:20:35.76\00:20:39.85
shatters it and
that shows that you've
00:20:39.88\00:20:42.50
got man on the one
side, you've got the rock
00:20:42.53\00:20:44.67
on the other side, and
when the rock of Christ
00:20:44.70\00:20:47.28
kingdom comes,
it's gonna crush the
00:20:47.31\00:20:49.79
kingdoms of man
and the occult and
00:20:49.82\00:20:52.15
witchcraft and
religion and wicca and
00:20:52.18\00:20:54.38
casting spells
and portions and magic
00:20:54.41\00:20:56.02
all of this, is all
just the religion of man
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Okay. It's just of the
earth, it's just human,
00:21:00.02\00:21:03.27
it's not solid, it's
not sure, it's like the
00:21:03.30\00:21:07.02
California ground
that I grew up on, which
00:21:07.05\00:21:10.15
you can't rely on,
this is something we can
00:21:12.68\00:21:13.65
rely on, as it
says here in witchcraft
00:21:13.66\00:21:15.04
there is no sacred text, we are
00:21:15.07\00:21:17.10
non-prophet, they
don't have a Bible, they
00:21:17.13\00:21:19.33
don't have
prophets, they don't have
00:21:19.36\00:21:21.55
anything solid. So
if you want to leave
00:21:21.58\00:21:24.32
something solid to a
go off into something
00:21:24.35\00:21:27.87
that has really no
substance. You know,
00:21:27.90\00:21:30.21
follow,
witchcraft, follow the occult,
00:21:30.24\00:21:32.53
but the lessons of
the Bible from Daniel
00:21:32.56\00:21:34.70
chapter 2, revealed
that magic is limited, the
00:21:34.73\00:21:38.79
magicians were
clueless, God is superior
00:21:38.82\00:21:43.30
and that's what we
are trying to show in this
00:21:43.33\00:21:45.24
series. Going back
to Exodus, we already
00:21:45.27\00:21:48.00
read early in a
previous program that when,
00:21:48.03\00:21:50.71
when the magicians
of Pharaoh did their,
00:21:50.74\00:21:52.89
their magic and
then Moses and Aaron
00:21:52.92\00:21:55.81
you know, were
spokes people for God,
00:21:55.84\00:21:57.93
eventually the
magicians they couldn't stop the
00:21:57.96\00:22:00.50
plagues and the
plagues were upon them, and
00:22:00.53\00:22:02.91
that shows the
superiority of God
00:22:02.94\00:22:05.27
over the
magicians, same thing in the
00:22:05.30\00:22:07.23
Book of Acts, same thing in the
00:22:07.26\00:22:08.46
Book of Revelation
the sorcerers will end
00:22:08.49\00:22:10.15
up in the lake of fire
and it's the same thing
00:22:10.18\00:22:11.88
in the Book of
Daniel chapter 2, the image
00:22:11.91\00:22:14.40
of the man crushed
by the rock. Now, I
00:22:14.43\00:22:19.10
wanna build my life
on a rock. Not on the
00:22:21.31\00:22:22.28
sand. Not on the
sand. You know, my little
00:22:22.29\00:22:23.26
boy have said, he loves,
he loves to have me read him
00:22:23.27\00:22:27.02
the story of the wise
man, who build his house
00:22:27.05\00:22:29.02
upon the rock and the
foolish man, who build
00:22:29.05\00:22:31.05
his house upon
the sand, and when the
00:22:31.08\00:22:32.80
rain comes and the
storms hits, and it's in
00:22:32.83\00:22:35.27
Matthew chapter 7,
and the flood comes, the
00:22:35.30\00:22:37.55
the foolish man's
house, it falls, but the
00:22:37.58\00:22:41.11
wise man built his
house upon the rock and he
00:22:41.14\00:22:45.06
stands, and we need
need something solid in
00:22:45.09\00:22:48.49
this world and magic
and spells and portions they
00:22:48.52\00:22:52.05
just don't cut.
I just find it very
00:22:52.08\00:22:55.73
fascinating and
reassuring when I
00:22:55.76\00:22:57.84
looked at the story
of of Daniel here, the
00:22:57.87\00:23:00.49
dream was not able
to be comprehended and
00:23:00.52\00:23:02.90
the interpretation
was given, on top of that
00:23:02.93\00:23:05.22
you have this
prophecy like you said that was
00:23:05.25\00:23:07.61
fulfilled to the
tee, Babylon, Medo-Persia,
00:23:07.64\00:23:10.48
Greece, Rome, the ten
kingdoms and they say,
00:23:10.51\00:23:13.87
if 90% or 99% of this
prophecy is accurate, it
00:23:13.90\00:23:16.96
must be that the last
part about the kingdom
00:23:16.99\00:23:19.78
of God coming and
crushing this must be
00:23:19.81\00:23:21.66
true too and so
it's good, good to place
00:23:21.69\00:23:24.18
your odds on
that side I would say.
00:23:24.21\00:23:25.80
That's right. And,
something else that
00:23:25.83\00:23:27.94
Daniel prophecy
reveals is that God is a God
00:23:27.97\00:23:31.30
for all the
nations, he is the God of all
00:23:31.33\00:23:34.53
the nations, he knows
about Babylon, Persia,
00:23:34.56\00:23:37.19
Greece, Rome, the
division, he sees the
00:23:37.22\00:23:39.79
whole world, he sees
all of history from his
00:23:39.82\00:23:42.45
vantage point, he
is a great God, he is
00:23:42.48\00:23:45.29
a mighty God, he
is a powerful God.
00:23:45.32\00:23:46.79
He offers us what
witchcraft cannot offer us,
00:23:46.82\00:23:50.14
and it's just, it's
frustrating to me and
00:23:50.17\00:23:52.60
it's sad to me and
it's, it's a fearful thing for
00:23:52.63\00:23:55.84
me to think about
all of these young people
00:23:55.87\00:23:57.42
that are getting
caught up in the occult
00:23:57.45\00:23:59.85
because of the
promise of magic that day, but
00:23:59.88\00:24:02.22
I remember I was holding another
00:24:02.25\00:24:03.54
seminar in SoCal,
California talking to a
00:24:03.57\00:24:06.54
large crowd about
this very topic and when I
00:24:06.57\00:24:08.66
was done a 14
year boy named Craig
00:24:08.69\00:24:11.54
walked up to me, shook my
hand and he said, I am 14,
00:24:11.57\00:24:14.48
I want to meet with Steve
and he said, I read one of
00:24:14.51\00:24:17.29
books on witchcraft
and said, it pointed me
00:24:20.58\00:24:21.55
to the Bible, and
then he said, he said,
00:24:21.56\00:24:22.53
I grew in the
church. And, he said, been a
00:24:22.54\00:24:25.63
Christian all my life
"A Christian" and he said
00:24:25.66\00:24:28.21
for the last two years
I have been practicing the
00:24:28.24\00:24:30.66
what he called the
elementals of witchcraft
00:24:30.69\00:24:33.08
and he said when I
read your book, it opened
00:24:33.11\00:24:35.96
my eyes and it showed
me where this was going
00:24:35.99\00:24:39.78
and the
supernatural forces that were
00:24:39.81\00:24:42.27
working behind the
sins and he said I am out
00:24:42.30\00:24:44.49
now, I got out of
that, he said I am back to
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Jesus, I'm back to
the Bible and I thought, I
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thought praise God
you know, that's what
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that's why we are
doing this, that's why we are
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having this series,
that's why I am trying to share
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things that I've learned,
it's because I am trying
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to help people and I
am trying to give them
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something, something
better then what they
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have in the world and
I am trying help to get
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them out by the grace of
God from things that are,
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that are dangerous
and they can't, they can't
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deliver on what
they promised. They can't
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deliver. So, here was
a young person who was
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a Christian, grew up in
a Christian environment.
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Fourteen year old.
Fourteen year old that
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unknowingly had gone
into a little bit of the
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elementals as you
call it of witchcraft and
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suddenly he, he got an
awareness and said, hey
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I didn't know where this
was heading. That's right.
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I didn't know the
spirit behind this and I would
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say that if there is
a young person out there
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that is getting a
pull toward the attraction
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for power, it's
for spiritual and
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so forth. The Book of
Daniel tells us unequivocally
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that there is a greater
power out there, that is more
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sure then
experience, 'cause I know my
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generation were
caught up in experience and
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experience is
everything, it's the post
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modern generation,
and we're like, if I
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experience it, it
must be real and it must be
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true, but that's not necessarily
the truth in the end. That's
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right, that's a very dangerous,
dangerous philosophy actually,
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if I experience it, it
must be true. I mean people can
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take drugs, I used
to smoke pot, I used
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to snort coke, I used
to, I have even dabbled
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a little bit of LSD,
praise God I still have
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my brain, my mind,
I have, I had friends
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that are now 6 feet
under ground because they've
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overdosed on drugs and I was
following my experience, I was
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following my heart. And, my
heart and my experience led me,
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led me right now and I just
thank God that he got me out of
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that, got me to the Bible
and helped me to understand like
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the prophecies like
Daniel 2, where in verse 45,
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Daniel said the
dream is certain and the
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interpretation is
sure you know, I need
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something certain,
I need something sure,
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I only have one life
in this world and I don't
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wanna rely on that, I
don't wanna rely on you,
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I don't rely, I don't
wanna rely just on me,
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don't wanna rely on some,
some books some magicians, some
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sources, some spells,
some portion. I don't rely on
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religious teachers, I don't rely
on TV programs, I don't rely on
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supposed experts. I rely on this
book, on God's rock and it's, it
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has credible history behind it
and prophecies that have been
fulfilled literally in history
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and I know the rock is coming.
I know that rock is coming. The
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second coming. That's right the
second coming of Jesus Christ
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and I wanna be ready for that
day and I wanna help as many
people as possible to be
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prepared for the big
day, when the rock comes down.
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Well, this has been a very
stimulating discussion from you
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Steve, thank you so much for
sharing with us here today. And
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to our viewing audience that
has joined us here for the first
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time I wanna appeal to you to
join us again we'll be delving
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into scripture, dealing with
different topics, this is just
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the beginning of a series
dealing with this battles of
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faith about magic, magicians,
and the Bible and so I wanna
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encourage you to join us again
today we've gone through the
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Book of Daniel, looking at the
superiority of God's power, how
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it's sure, how we can
rely on it, and it's my
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prayer for you that
you'll learn to live by
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every word that
proceeds from the mouth of God.
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May God bless you
and keep you today. Amen.
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