Thank you for joining us today.
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We're going to have a great time
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I believe in the Lord.
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I'm here with
Brother Tim Parton.
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Tim, it's good to
have you here today.
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Awesome to be here.
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And you're the general manager
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of the Praise Him Music Network.
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Yes. Yes.
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And I couldn't have
anybody any better handpicked
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by the Lord brought you
here, how many years ago?
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Five years ago. Five years ago.
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So if you've not familiar
with 3ABN Praise Him Music,
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you can go to our
website, there's many ways,
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if you got Roku,
there's a number of ways,
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just go to our
website, and it'll tell you
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how to watch, 24/7 music, right?
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Yes, that's the truth.
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So today we
wanted to talk about,
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we've been asked to
talk about creating,
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you know, using music,
creating a worship atmosphere.
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So I sometimes think about,
of course, our church services.
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And so your
background, you come from...
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I come from a
more of Pentecostal...
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Pentecostal like
Cinda Garter's background.
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I came from
Seventh-day Adventist,
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we have people
who come from Baptist,
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and, you know, you name it.
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And all of us, it seems
like in different cultures,
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the black, the
white, the Hispanics,
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we all have
different ways of music.
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And sometimes we get to think
and what we do is exactly what,
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you know, the
right way what God wants.
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Sure.
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But I have a feeling
when we get to heaven,
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we're all going to be
educated on what God...
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He wants the
praises of His people.
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Most definitely.
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Now I'd like to start out
by asking our folks at home,
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why would God want
the praises of people?
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I mean, think about it.
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Here's a God
who's a Creator God.
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And it talks about
the angels praise Him,
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he wants the
praises of His people.
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I mean, it seems
kind of self-centered
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if you first
think about it, Tim.
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Right.
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Like, if I went around saying,
"Tim, I want you to praise me."
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I mean, you'd be gone,
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"Oh, my, oh, my,
what's wrong with him?"
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But it really hit me
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because I was
talking to Lord one,
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you know, not long ago.
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And I said, I was asking about,
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He inhabits the
praises of His people.
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But He says, you know,
we should praise the Lord.
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And suddenly, it's
just like, He told me,
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"I don't need the
praise, you need it.
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You need to praise Me."
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Why do we need
to praise the Lord?
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The answer to me is
really pretty simple.
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When I'm praising the Lord,
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when you're praising the Lord
whether it's through prayer,
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whether it's through reading,
whether it's through music,
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whatever it is,
you are now inviting
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the Holy Spirit into your heart.
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You're pushing everything out.
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You can't praise the Lord,
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and be thinking about things
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you shouldn't be thinking about.
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So for our own
salvation, for our own growth,
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our own spiritual growth,
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I believe,
that's why God wants us
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to praise Him.
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It's for us to
Him, He doesn't need it.
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He knows who He
is, don't you agree?
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Right.
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And it reminds me
of that song that says,
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turn your eyes upon
Jesus and the things of earth
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will grow faintly dim...
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That's right. In the
light of His glory...
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Right. Right. And grace.
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I want to talk a little
bit again today about music.
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So there in churches,
there's fast music, you know,
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there's some
medium, there's your slow,
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there's your,
what we call worship,
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a lot of our universities
have classical music.
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But there's something that
I've learned several years ago,
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I was reading about
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and began to discuss
in creating a worship,
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you know, atmosphere,
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but there's what we call
a horizontal praise music,
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and then there's a vertical.
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Right.
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You're familiar
with that, right?
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Sure. Yeah.
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Maybe you could give
us an examples of some,
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maybe how about
doing a horizontal,
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and then tell me when
and where that would be used.
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Well, I think the horizontal is
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when we're
singing to each other,
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we're singing down
here on this level.
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And that's a more of a
testimonial type of song.
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Even if it were to,
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even if you did
something like...
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I will praise
Him I will praise Him
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We're still...
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Even though we're
praising Him when we say it,
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we're not saying
I will praise You.
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Because that would
be, you know, up to...
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I'll get to heaven.
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So that would be
definitely horizontal.
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Because we're testifying...
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When we all get to heaven
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What a day of
rejoicing that will be Okay.
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Yeah, right. So
that is the horizontal.
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Right.
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It's a testimony we're
sharing with each other.
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So it's like if you go to church
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and somebody says,
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"Okay, we got
our next five minutes
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so we're going to
give you a chance to get up
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and give a testimony."
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Right.
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So you're testifying
in front of the others,
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guess what God
did for me this week.
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Right.
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So there's a lot of music
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and a lot of your
faster tempo music
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would be more...
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Horizontal. Horizontal. Sure.
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So and there's nothing
wrong with that, right?
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No, no, absolutely.
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In fact, that's
edifying the saints,
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that's encouraging each other.
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Okay. All right.
Yeah, that's what that's...
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So it's like getting around
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and having a
Bible study and talking.
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Right. Yeah.
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Let me tell you what
the Lord has done for me.
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Okay, got it. All right.
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Now tell me about vertical music
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and give me some samples.
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So there are...
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Especially, over
the past few years
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where the new praise
choruses and but even...
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Lord, I lift Your name on high
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Lord, I love to
sing Your praises
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You came from heaven
to earth to show the way
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So it's just to Him.
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Right up to Him. Yeah.
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You can do that right
at home while you're...
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Give me another
sample, something else.
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So let me think here.
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Jesus, Jesus, Jesus
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There's just
something about your name
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Sing it some
more. That's beautiful.
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Master, Savior, Jesus,
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You're like the fragrance
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After the rain
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Jesus, Jesus,
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My Jesus,
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Let all Heaven
and earth proclaim
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Sing it.
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Kings and
kingdoms will all pass away
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But, Lord, there's
something about Your name
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So you can even take... Right.
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You can even take a
horizontal song like that,
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and even change,
you know, because...
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Several years ago I
wrote this little song.
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And it was just sitting
around in the evenings...
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All my prayers I don't
know, if you hit a D, maybe.
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All my prayers
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I give You all my prayers
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That's all
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I have to offer You
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I now build, I build a sanctuary
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Oh, come on.
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Now deep, where,
deep within my heart
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And all my prayers,
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I offer up to You
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And it goes
through, I love You, Lord,
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I love You, Lord,
Oh, how I love You, Lord.
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And so I was going
through some pretty rough times,
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and it was just me and the Lord,
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and I picked up my guitar.
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And there it came, you
know, and all these words.
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And it drew me so
close, I almost felt like,
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God lifted me
out of where I was,
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and took me into His presence.
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And that's what
we're talking about, right?
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Totally, totally.
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So it's out of that
personal experience.
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And, you know,
I really feel like
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you're really good at that.
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I know, we do on 3ABN, we
will do some special events,
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like a Thanksgiving event.
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And we get in the mood,
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and we get to talking
about the goodness of God.
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And that's what
creates an atmosphere.
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And so, you know,
it's basically like,
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a relationship with
any of your friends,
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you know, when you
get to memorializing
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or just, you know, eulogizing,
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you just talking
about each other,
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and the kindness of each other,
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and you begin to say, you
know, "I love that about you."
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And so we celebrate
each other that same way.
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And so even more so
when we're talking about God
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because He's
done so much for us.
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So I love the idea
of celebrating Him.
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And that's what we do.
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And so we can really create...
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Once you get to
talking about God,
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then you're beginning to create
and invite that experience.
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Now when you get
into church, oftentimes,
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we don't have that the
time to really develop,
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you know, and
really talk about Him
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like we should
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because we're under the
restraints of, you know,
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the church service time
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but that's why
songs were written
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to cut to the
chase, get to the point.
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So anyway.
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There's been a
big change in music
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in the Adventist Church.
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For instance, if we go back
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to the early
founders and foundation,
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I've been reading some
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and I go back to
the widest stage,
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you can find a
lot of information
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there about music.
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But we saw a
different kind of music
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than maybe you would see
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in a lot of our
churches today, Tim.
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We talked about,
it is one story about
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James White says no
matter where he was,
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he was standing at
the back of the church
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and when they were singing,
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louder, more
up-tempo songs, again,
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because they're excited.
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Jesus is coming
again, Jesus is coming soon.
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We're so excited.
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So they said,
"He would come down
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the aisle tapping his
Bible, or he would sit up
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and be tapping
his foot and like,
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just praising the Lord.
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Ellen White makes a statement
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that music as important
to a service as prayer.
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Now for a lot of us,
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that may be kind
of a shock, like what?
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Because I have to tell
you, when I go to a church,
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and we travel a lot,
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so there's not
any particular church,
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I'm not talking about yours,
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but we've
traveled most of the world.
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And a lot of the
churches you go in and you...
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So I think sometimes
we're talking, you know,
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Adventist Christian
to Adventist Christian
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since General Conference
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but some of us
are so worried that
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we're going to look
like the rest of the world
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or we're going to
look to "Pentecostal,"
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if I use that term,
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that we somehow
pull back so far,
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we don't want to be
associated with that,
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that our music sometimes is dry.
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It's like, I've
been in church services,
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where it seems like
and you start may be
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a Sabbath school.
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And it's like,
hardly no one is singing.
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And I've actually seen
some years ago on 3ABN.
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So I told the people, "Look,
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if you're going
to send videotapes
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of your church services,
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when the camera
shows the audience,
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people either looking like this
or just limping a little bit
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or they're looking at to watch."
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I said, "That's
not going to invite."
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No one's going to say,
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"Wow, I want to be a
part of this service."
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So music, when
we go to churches,
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I've been to
churches, I call it may be cold,
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but it's when
there's no enthusiasm,
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it's like, okay,
whoever plans a service, "Okay,
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we're going to
come out with this,
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we're going to have a prayer."
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It might be a great prayer,
and may it even be prayer time.
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Now let's do music, you know?
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Okay, we'll do this song.
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And as soon as this over,
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we tell our mission story we do.
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But what she's saying here that
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music as is important to prayer.
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And I can see that bringing
in, inviting the Holy Spirit.
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Again, that's
part of that praise
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we were talking about earlier.
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You're inviting the Holy Spirit
to come down and be with you.
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Now on the other
side, I'll flip the coin.
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I've gone to a lot of churches,
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where, in fact, I
remember years ago,
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it wasn't Adventist church
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but more in a Pentecostal line.
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And my daughter and
I was singing there.
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I had never met the preacher
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but somebody had
told them we should come.
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So they had an evangelist there.
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So the evangelist came up to me,
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and he said, "Now listen,
I want you to do this song,
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that song, and other."
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Now that I didn't know
what songs that he was talking.
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They were really
the fast, upbeat songs.
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So he said, "What do
you got for tonight?"
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And I said, "Well,
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we got My House is
Full by Lanny Wolfe,
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My house is Full,
My Field is Empty.
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You know, we have surely
the presence of the Lord.
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He said, "No, no, no,
no." He said, "I don't need.
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I need some good foot stomping."
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And he said,
"Listen, I want you,
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when I get up to preach,
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I want these
people in the aisles."
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He said, "I want
them excited in the house
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so don't give me
that slow stuff."
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So we go from one extremes,
it seems like, you know...
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Yeah, which is a
little bit of manipulation.
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Yeah, totally.
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And you know
what music does that.
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And again, it's like you say,
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sometimes we're afraid
to get too close to that,
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you know, so we try
to take control of it
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and that's respectable.
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And you can worship
slow, you can worship fast.
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But it totally is
not about manipulation.
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It's about worshiping God.
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And so your right on.
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So we always say
the devil doesn't care
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which side of the
boat you falls out
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as long as you fall out.
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So what we're
finding in churches,
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how important it is to
create an atmosphere of worship,
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at the beginning of your service
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before Sabbath school,
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before the church service comes.
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Yeah, establish that.
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Now I'll talk about music.
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Now I love lots
of kinds of music.
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Classical music
is always intriguing.
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It's very something you
don't just pick up a guitar
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and begin to play.
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I mean, it's...
It's very skilled.
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It is very, very skilled
and lot of our universities
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but in the late 1800s
into the early 1900s up
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to around 1920s or so,
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the Adventist church
had more of the when we all
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get to heaven coming in
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'cause we were
excited that type of worship.
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But then as we began
to build our universities
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and our university,
our learning centers,
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that we begin to bring
in more classical music,
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which was looked at.
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My dad just
call it high eyebrow,
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high eyebrow stuff,
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but they bring in a
lot of classical music,
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which sounds great.
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And we kind of get in
the habit that's, you know?
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So God can, again, He can...
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I think all kinds of
music when we get to heaven,
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there'll be styles of music
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we've never even
heard or thought of,
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that God has created.
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And so music is something
He's created for our benefit.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So for me, in
order to really get,
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and I hate to use the word mood
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'cause people think
you're talking about feelings.
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But again, the
whole plan of salvation,
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everything is about feelings.
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I mean, you have to
have the Holy Spirit.
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So in order to
prepare for the Holy Spirit,
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when we come in prayer
shouldn't be very important.
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We should take time in prayer.
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And not just, "Okay, thank you,
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this morning, happy
Sabbath, you know, to everybody.
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Thank you, Lord."
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And go on and
then, "Okay, let's sing,
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end of my heart
and then let's go on."
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But I think that we
should spend more time
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as a church praising
the Lord through music
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because people come in,
now it's the Seventh-day,
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it's a Sabbath, and
we've been busy all week
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and even up till
Sunday and we were busy
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getting everything done,
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in the time you get kids in
bed and you get a little study
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and you get up in the morning,
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you head to church, you
still have that busyness.
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But when you sit
down and you begin
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to just worship God and music,
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whether it's upbeat a little bit
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to loosen you up,
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whether it's more, you
know, a softer, little melodic,
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whatever you want to get us
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to kind of slow
down our whole system.
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And I think it will change
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the atmosphere of
the entire service.
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Right. I totally agree.
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I think, you
know, when we, like,
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for our spouse,
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when we set up a
special occasion,
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well, we don't have to be told
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how to love our
spouse, you know?
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And so we will set the table,
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we will make
reservations at the restaurant
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that we know that they like,
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we will put on music,
we know that they like,
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you know, we wear the
cologne we know that they like.
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And I think to me,
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that's whenever I
go to worship God,
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I want to create this,
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because it's a
personal relationship.
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That's the connection
that I have with my God.
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And so he says,
for me to love Him
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with all my heart,
soul, mind, and strength,
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everything that's within me,
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and you were
referring to those situations
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you've been in
where they were not,
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they were just kind
of mumbling their song.
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Well, I think God
says, "Is that all you got?"
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That's not all
that's within you,
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you could do more
than that at an event at
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your kid's
soccer game or whatever.
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And we use that reference a lot.
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But truly to
give what we know...
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We know how to love
one another, you know,
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especially those people
that are really close to us
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even celebrating our child,
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we give them a certain
specific kind of praise
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and adoration and
love and attention.
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And that's the same kind of...
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When we have
spent time in the word
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as you say and in prayer,
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we can create that
atmosphere with God.
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And your study is, of course,
music has been your life.
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Is there any
particular scriptures
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that you've
referred to or that you like
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or that talk about
music that you're go-to?
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I do love Romans 12:1
that talks about us being...
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To present our bodies a living
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and holy
sacrifice acceptable to God,
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which is your
spiritual service of worship.
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And then I also
love 1 Peter 2:9,
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that where we are
called a peculiar people,
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and we are for God's...
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Separated. Right.
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We are God's... We
are His own possession.
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And so that we may proclaim
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the excellencies of Him
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who has called
you out of darkness
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into His glorious light.
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There again,
there's that testimony.
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I love the fact that
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we may proclaim the
excellencies of Him.
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Worship is an
awesome tool of evangelism.
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You know, when you
can sing praises about God
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and those who hear
that aren't Christians,
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they'll, you know,
there'll be drawn in to
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by you singing
because everybody loves music
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around the world
whether, you know,
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Christian or non-Christian,
it's an international language.
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So I love the fact that
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we can testify
through those songs,
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and people can see
our love for our Savior.
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What about planning?
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You think that we
ought to do some planning,
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rather than when we just
get there like the preacher...
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Oh, yeah.
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Wouldn't it be a mess,
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if the preacher just got
up, he hadn't planned anything.
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And then he just got
up and started talking
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or started to try to preach
something that he hadn't...
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So as far as getting
together, our churches,
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we should have
our little groups,
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if you got a group of singers.
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One, I'd say if one singer
is good, maybe 10 is better.
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You know, but to get
your praise singers together,
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a lot of people
don't like that word.
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But I have to
say, if it's praise,
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and it's can't
be all bad, right?
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It's up to what you do
with a bit of praising,
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people get together,
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maybe you
practice during the week.
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And if you have some
instruments you get together,
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you practice during
the week because, again,
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you're not going to
get up in a church service
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and start literally...
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If you're solo music
or if you're the pastor,
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you're not just going to
get up without practicing.
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So let's give God the
very best that we can.
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And then let's use
some spiritual common sense.
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And when to put in
what style of music
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into our church services.
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For instance, the preacher
preached this great sermon.
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The Holy Spirit is
working on the people.
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And he makes an altar call.
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Even when I've been
in Pentecostal churches
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or others,
00:19:41.18\00:19:42.51
I don't hear the fast
boom, boom, boom, gone.
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I hear softly and tenderly,
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Jesus is calling, right?
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Absolutely. Yeah, that's true.
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So why are we doing that
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because that
fits the atmosphere.
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Right now the Holy Spirit's been
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working on the hearts
and the minds of people.
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And so now song softly and
tenderly, Jesus is calling.
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So each and
every one of us there,
00:20:05.20\00:20:07.47
we're already
preparing right now our hearts.
00:20:07.50\00:20:10.24
He's speaking to me.
00:20:10.27\00:20:11.94
Wow, this song speaking to me.
00:20:11.97\00:20:13.68
Maybe I've been a Christian
for 30 years, 50 years,
00:20:13.71\00:20:16.71
or maybe I'm new,
00:20:16.75\00:20:18.08
and still at the
end of this service,
00:20:18.11\00:20:19.98
and the pastor makes
that call that I can,
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"Wow, you know, Lord, I
want to draw closer to You."
00:20:23.12\00:20:26.59
And you turn your eyes on Jesus,
00:20:26.62\00:20:28.42
His wonderful face
and the things of Earth
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will grow strangely dim
00:20:31.39\00:20:32.76
in the light of
His glory and grace.
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So our music, there's a time
00:20:35.23\00:20:36.90
I think, to be
up, to be excited,
00:20:36.93\00:20:39.20
to show praise,
there's a time to get out
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our orchestra, you know?
00:20:41.17\00:20:44.01
And sometimes I think
we're so critical, Tim,
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in music.
00:20:47.74\00:20:49.18
I know in our church...
Anyway, we're critical.
00:20:49.21\00:20:52.18
For instance, if
you talk about drums,
00:20:52.21\00:20:55.88
people automatically,
00:20:55.92\00:20:57.85
many people are
automatically turned off.
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Yet the same
people, if you take a drum
00:21:00.12\00:21:02.46
and you put it around your neck,
00:21:02.49\00:21:04.23
and you hit it like
this, it's okay, right?
00:21:04.26\00:21:07.03
Yeah.
00:21:07.06\00:21:08.40
If you look at marching bands,
and schools and academies,
00:21:08.43\00:21:09.90
that's all okay.
00:21:09.93\00:21:11.27
But if you turn
the drum upside down
00:21:11.30\00:21:12.77
and hit it, oh,
that's the devil.
00:21:12.80\00:21:15.27
But once again,
it's not the drum,
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it's how you play the drum.
00:21:17.81\00:21:20.44
And for instance,
when I was in India,
00:21:20.48\00:21:23.21
several years
ago with Maranatha,
00:21:23.24\00:21:25.51
with McNeilus and a big group,
00:21:25.55\00:21:27.45
we were over there
and thousands of people
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were baptized.
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Guess what they pray?
00:21:31.39\00:21:32.72
When we went
back to the villages,
00:21:32.75\00:21:34.92
they didn't pull
out their pipe organs
00:21:34.96\00:21:36.66
or Steinway pianos,
00:21:36.69\00:21:38.03
they didn't pull
out their trumpets,
00:21:38.06\00:21:39.86
they didn't even have a...
00:21:39.89\00:21:41.23
Harmonica. Harmonicas.
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They didn't have any of those.
00:21:44.23\00:21:45.63
They had drums, they
had some out of steel,
00:21:45.67\00:21:48.80
some were built out of wood,
00:21:48.84\00:21:50.24
and they were
beating those drums.
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And they were so
excited about accepting Jesus,
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that those were loud.
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I think about scripture,
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praise Him on the
loud-sounding cymbals.
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People say, "Oh,
well, I don't like that."
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Well, it's not what we like.
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It's what we read, you
know, the Bible is here.
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But back in those days,
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I would say the
children of Israel out
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in the wilderness.
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They're in the same positions,
as I was just talking about.
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I got a feeling
the drum and cymbals
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was one of the few
things, that they really have.
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Affordable, right?
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Yeah, that they
can take with them
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and no big pianos and all that.
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So God accepts that praise.
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So the praise that
comes from your heart.
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Absolutely.
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And that's exactly,
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so creating a worship experience
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should be
something that's planned,
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just like the
rest of your service.
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Then, again, if we
take that statement
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that music is as
powerful as prayer.
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It's amazing to me
because it does to me
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and you've talked about it,
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we do it in church services
without even, for instance,
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we didn't just
plan all my praise.
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Right, right. No.
I started singing.
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But after our camp meetings,
and we do our little afterglow,
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somebody talks and
then all of a sudden
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you just start
playing something...
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It sparks the song
in your mind, is that...
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Yeah.
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And all of a sudden,
I began to feel closer,
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drawn closer
and closer to Jesus.
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Yeah. Now that...
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I love the...
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That's just a beautiful,
beautiful picture of, again,
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our relationship with
someone that we love so dear.
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And we have these songs,
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like you were
talking about having...
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I think it's important to have
a list of songs in your mind
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that you've been
working on and praise,
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we wouldn't just go
to the grocery store
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and grab the $5
clearance bouquet
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because to take
home to the missus.
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We definitely
want to spend time,
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allotting time for planning,
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for what we're going to do,
what we're going to share...
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In prayer. Yeah, absolutely.
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Praying, Lord,
what would you have us,
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how would you have us
create a worship experience
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for this
Sabbath, for this Sunday,
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wherever you go to church,
prayer meeting, how would I...
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Prayer meeting,
especially sometimes it,
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let's just come in and
get it over and we go back,
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but still, we can
take time, I believe.
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And another thing I believe,
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also is when your team
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not only
includes your music team,
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but the pastor, I
think it's important.
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There are a lot of pastors
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who maybe separate
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the music section of the program
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or of the service
with from the preaching,
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and it's, I've seen
pastors who will flow in that
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and will maybe even carry on...
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You don't have to
be the greatest singer.
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I've heard some preachers
that will really tear it up,
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literally tear up a song.
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But they'll just
continue on maybe even ask
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the song leader to
sing that chorus again,
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and then go
right into the sermon.
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So I think that's as much
as creating that atmosphere,
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where it just flows
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because you wouldn't just
stop until a joke, you know,
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before you go into a message
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should continue
into that experience...
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And again, you're not
trying to manipulate anyone,
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you're just encouraging
an atmosphere of praise.
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So that's...
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So plan your
worship service, right?
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Plan get together with a pastor,
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with your group,
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whoever, if you got
people playing instruments
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or the singers,
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you get together,
you pick your songs,
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ask the pastor,
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if he knows what
he's preaching on,
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try to coordinate that with him.
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Then when we come
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into the church
service in the morning,
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to get people in an
atmosphere of prayer
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and praise and worship,
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to do songs that
will draw them closer.
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Sometimes, it's a
happy song, you know,
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and sometimes it's a
little more slowed down.
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You know, when I
walked through the door,
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I sensed His presence, you know,
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I realize I'm
standing on holy ground.
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But so to me, I
think God is there,
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He loves to inhabits
the praises of His people.
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He loves it when we praise
Him for our spiritual growth,
00:26:03.19\00:26:06.63
as I mentioned
earlier, not for His,
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He doesn't need it but
for our spiritual growth.
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So when we're praising the Lord,
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it's like my dad used to say,
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"Son, he would had
me go mow the yard,
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we'd mow the yard
with push mowers back then,
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with no motors on them.
00:26:21.58\00:26:22.91
I'm talking about the wheels.
00:26:22.94\00:26:24.28
But then pull the
weeds around the little shed,
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then about a day or two later,
00:26:27.18\00:26:29.02
if I was acting bored
or something didn't happen,
00:26:29.05\00:26:31.09
he'd say, "Son, go pull
those weeds around the shed."
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And I would say,
00:26:33.66\00:26:34.99
"Well, I just did
that a couple days ago."
00:26:35.02\00:26:37.59
He'd say, "Idleness
is the devil's workshop,
00:26:37.63\00:26:40.06
so go out and get busy."
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So for us as Christians,
when we're praising the Lord,
00:26:41.70\00:26:45.07
we're not busy
thinking about things
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we shouldn't be.
00:26:46.60\00:26:47.94
We're not over here.
We're not over there.
00:26:47.97\00:26:50.04
So that's why there's praise
and worship, and then preparing
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for the divine worship
hour to get that all in.
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So it's steps that you go to.
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And I believe that each of
us could see a big difference.
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I've had people,
00:27:02.72\00:27:04.05
I know that come
to churches that say,
00:27:04.09\00:27:05.55
"Well, I believe
what y'all teach,
00:27:05.59\00:27:07.96
but I didn't
really feel, you know,
00:27:07.99\00:27:10.66
much of a
worship experience there.
00:27:10.69\00:27:12.63
It was like I went to
school and get educated."
00:27:12.66\00:27:14.06
Right. Right.
00:27:14.10\00:27:15.43
And I know what
they're talking about.
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Now not all our churches
that way, praise the Lord.
00:27:16.93\00:27:19.30
But I do know what
they're talking about.
00:27:19.33\00:27:21.24
And so we want to
plan the church service,
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try to work with the pastor,
00:27:24.41\00:27:25.97
pick out songs
that are appropriate
00:27:26.01\00:27:27.68
for the beginning
00:27:27.71\00:27:29.04
and for an
altar call and appeal.
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And then don't forget to prayer.
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So prayer, praise through music.
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And then, of course, the word.
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I mean, to me that
it's kind of the...
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We don't have a lot
of time to go into it.
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But to me, we've
got about a minute.
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You got any closing thoughts?
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Well, I would say, why
don't you just sing this
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that's what you were singing,
We Are Standing on Holy Ground.
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Okay.
00:27:50.70\00:27:52.03
As I walked Through the door
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I sensed His presence
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And I knew This was a place
00:28:00.24\00:28:05.68
Where love abounds
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For this is the temple
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Jehovah God abides here
00:28:14.32\00:28:20.10
We are standing
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In His presence
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On holy ground It's the way
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I sing at home to the Lord.
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I don't try to
really get my PA system out
00:28:32.71\00:28:35.28
and really push
it and really hit it,
00:28:35.31\00:28:37.31
and like your hairs,
just kind of it's almost...
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Spontaneous.
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Talk, sing, it's
just to get it out
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and give God that worship.
00:28:43.18\00:28:44.85
We're standing on holy ground
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and I know that there
are angels all around.
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Amen.
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Our time is all
gone for right now.
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So we'll see you in just a bit.
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