- It's the Easter season, 00:00:00.86\00:00:02.16 which means that all over the world 00:00:02.16\00:00:04.00 Christians are celebrating the Resurrection of Christ. 00:00:04.00\00:00:07.37 Of course, a lot of people think 00:00:07.37\00:00:09.14 that rising from the dead is a logical impossibility. 00:00:09.14\00:00:13.04 So today on Authentic, we're going to explore 00:00:13.04\00:00:15.81 why that might not be as farfetched 00:00:15.81\00:00:18.45 as a lot of people think. 00:00:18.45\00:00:20.48 [upbeat music] 00:00:20.48\00:00:23.05 Back in 1882, Frederic Myers founded 00:00:42.04\00:00:45.21 the Society for Psychical Research 00:00:45.21\00:00:47.68 as a reaction to this explosion of interest in spiritualism 00:00:47.68\00:00:51.65 that was sweeping the world in the 19th century, 00:00:51.65\00:00:54.82 especially in Great Britain 00:00:54.82\00:00:56.85 and right here in the United States. 00:00:56.85\00:00:59.59 Spiritualism was popular because, 00:01:00.92\00:01:03.29 well that was a reaction to the cold materialism 00:01:03.29\00:01:06.96 that was coming out of the Enlightenment. 00:01:06.96\00:01:09.50 You see, the Enlightenment had established human reason 00:01:09.50\00:01:13.07 as the foundation of all knowledge, 00:01:13.07\00:01:15.77 and it kind of reduced the whole universe 00:01:15.77\00:01:17.57 to this math-based machine. 00:01:17.57\00:01:20.61 Everything we said could be solved with logic. 00:01:20.61\00:01:23.68 And we told ourselves that given enough time, 00:01:23.68\00:01:26.11 our minds were capable of solving 00:01:26.11\00:01:28.02 just about all of humanity's very worst problems. 00:01:28.02\00:01:32.75 But what the Enlightenment 00:01:32.75\00:01:34.09 and Industrial Revolutions ignored 00:01:34.09\00:01:36.73 was the fact that human beings 00:01:36.73\00:01:38.23 are a deeply spiritual species. 00:01:38.23\00:01:41.00 And people weren't happy with this mechanistic universe 00:01:41.00\00:01:44.23 where you and I are just animals or biological machines 00:01:44.23\00:01:47.70 who live for a few short years, 00:01:47.70\00:01:49.77 and then [expelling air] we disappear for all eternity 00:01:49.77\00:01:53.17 never to be heard from again. 00:01:53.17\00:01:55.71 Death with this new understanding 00:01:55.71\00:01:57.51 suddenly became a hard finish line 00:01:57.51\00:02:00.68 and people weren't happy with that. 00:02:00.68\00:02:02.68 So, when the Fox Sisters in America 00:02:02.68\00:02:06.05 reported that they were talking to the dead, 00:02:06.05\00:02:09.12 and other spiritualists on both sides of the Atlantic 00:02:09.12\00:02:11.99 started giving the same kinds of reports, 00:02:11.99\00:02:14.93 well, people suddenly gravitated to these seances in droves 00:02:14.93\00:02:19.17 hoping these spiritualists were right, 00:02:19.17\00:02:21.17 that maybe death isn't the end. 00:02:21.17\00:02:24.11 Maybe, they hoped, somehow you and I continue to exist 00:02:24.11\00:02:28.44 minutes after we close our eyes for the very last time. 00:02:28.44\00:02:32.98 Now, all of this presented something of a challenge 00:02:32.98\00:02:35.98 to people like Charles Darwin 00:02:35.98\00:02:38.29 who was obviously a dedicated materialist 00:02:38.29\00:02:41.69 who was trying to explain life here on Planet Earth 00:02:41.69\00:02:44.56 in purely naturalistic terms. 00:02:44.56\00:02:47.76 His theory of evolution didn't require a Creator. 00:02:47.76\00:02:52.33 And it certainly didn't provide for an afterlife. 00:02:52.33\00:02:55.90 So, what happened is that 00:02:55.90\00:02:58.34 some of the materialists of the day tried to use 00:02:58.34\00:03:01.14 the scientific method to explain what was happening 00:03:01.14\00:03:05.21 in all those spiritualistic seances. 00:03:05.21\00:03:08.42 And that would actually include Mr. Darwin himself 00:03:08.42\00:03:11.85 who attended at least one seance that we know of. 00:03:11.85\00:03:16.79 Now, back to Frederic Myers, 00:03:16.79\00:03:19.19 who kind of had one foot in both camps. 00:03:19.19\00:03:23.13 On the one hand, he was a materialist 00:03:23.13\00:03:25.73 who wanted to explain spiritualistic phenomena 00:03:25.73\00:03:29.14 in scientific terms. 00:03:29.14\00:03:30.61 But on the other hand, 00:03:30.61\00:03:32.04 he also found himself irresistibly drawn 00:03:32.04\00:03:35.48 to the shadowy world of spirits 00:03:35.48\00:03:37.51 who appeared to be sending messages 00:03:37.51\00:03:39.95 from the other side of the grave. 00:03:39.95\00:03:42.68 It was a time when we had a lot of pseudo-science. 00:03:42.68\00:03:46.42 It's not unlike these paranormal reality TV shows 00:03:46.42\00:03:50.23 that we have today, where people try 00:03:50.23\00:03:52.16 to use scientific instruments 00:03:52.16\00:03:54.60 to prove the existence of ghosts. 00:03:54.60\00:03:57.87 The Society for Psychical Research 00:03:57.87\00:04:00.17 had a lot of big names associated with it. 00:04:00.17\00:04:03.30 At one point, William James, 00:04:03.30\00:04:05.61 the brother of the novelist, Henry James, 00:04:05.61\00:04:08.14 he was the president. 00:04:08.14\00:04:09.78 Charles Richet, the physiologist 00:04:09.78\00:04:12.18 who got a Nobel prize in 1913, 00:04:12.18\00:04:15.18 he was a member of the Society. 00:04:15.18\00:04:17.29 And he was the guy who actually invented the word ectoplasm. 00:04:17.29\00:04:22.22 Alfred Lord Tennyson, the poet, he was a member. 00:04:22.22\00:04:25.23 So were British prime ministers 00:04:25.23\00:04:27.10 like Arthur Balfour and W.E. Gladstone. 00:04:27.10\00:04:30.67 And what these people tried to do 00:04:31.80\00:04:34.47 was bring a level of respectability to paranormal 00:04:34.47\00:04:38.87 events by trying to mix them with some kind of rational 00:04:38.87\00:04:43.48 science. Not that any of what they were doing 00:04:43.48\00:04:45.71 would actually pass for science today. 00:04:45.71\00:04:48.68 So here's what happened to the founder, Frederic Myers. 00:04:48.68\00:04:52.75 He got Bright's disease, a rather nasty kidney affliction 00:04:52.75\00:04:57.13 that can lead to renal failure. 00:04:57.13\00:04:59.59 He traveled to Rome to see a doctor 00:04:59.59\00:05:02.33 who promised to treat his condition. 00:05:02.33\00:05:04.93 And unfortunately he didn't make it. 00:05:04.93\00:05:07.60 He died in Rome in 1901. 00:05:07.60\00:05:11.17 And that provided an opportunity for his good friend, 00:05:11.17\00:05:14.38 William James, to test whether or not 00:05:14.38\00:05:17.18 it was actually possible to speak to the dead. 00:05:17.18\00:05:21.18 You see, Frederic and William apparently had an agreement 00:05:21.18\00:05:23.75 that whoever died first was going to try to communicate 00:05:23.75\00:05:27.79 from the great beyond. 00:05:27.79\00:05:29.59 Now they both believed it was possible. 00:05:29.59\00:05:32.73 Now they were going to prove it. 00:05:32.73\00:05:35.16 So William James waited, his notebook in hand, 00:05:35.16\00:05:39.33 to write down anything that Frederic 00:05:39.33\00:05:41.47 might say from the grave. 00:05:41.47\00:05:43.41 And the results, well it was disappointing. 00:05:44.61\00:05:47.31 According to someone who was there, quote, 00:05:47.31\00:05:49.74 "He sank down on a chair by the open door, 00:05:49.74\00:05:52.45 "his notebook on his knees, pen in hand, 00:05:52.45\00:05:55.68 "ready to take down the message 00:05:55.68\00:05:57.49 "with his usual methodical exactitude. 00:05:57.49\00:06:00.72 "When I went away, William James was still sitting 00:06:00.72\00:06:03.83 "leaning back in his chair, 00:06:03.83\00:06:05.09 "his hands over his face, 00:06:05.09\00:06:07.03 "his open notebook on his knees. 00:06:07.03\00:06:09.60 "The page was blank." 00:06:09.60\00:06:12.50 There was no communication, absolutely no confirmation 00:06:13.94\00:06:18.57 that human consciousness survives the moment of death. 00:06:19.94\00:06:22.94 And that was kind of devastating 00:06:22.94\00:06:24.98 because as Darwin's Theory of Evolution 00:06:24.98\00:06:27.72 became more and more accepted in the general public, 00:06:27.72\00:06:31.85 a lot of people started to feel, 00:06:31.85\00:06:34.49 well let's say, a little hopeless 00:06:34.49\00:06:36.86 because Darwinian evolution said 00:06:36.86\00:06:40.10 that when we die, we just die. 00:06:40.10\00:06:44.03 And even worse, Darwin said the whole human race 00:06:44.03\00:06:47.57 was eventually going to go extinct like the dinosaurs. 00:06:47.57\00:06:52.04 And even worse than that, he said the whole solar system 00:06:52.04\00:06:55.68 is doomed because eventually the star at the center, 00:06:55.68\00:06:59.55 well it's going to burn out 00:06:59.55\00:07:00.92 and that will be the end of all forms of life. 00:07:00.92\00:07:04.92 So while Darwin was skeptical about spiritualism, 00:07:04.92\00:07:08.86 he did completely understand 00:07:09.72\00:07:11.19 why people wanted spiritualism to be true. 00:07:11.19\00:07:13.86 He understood how stark his message is. 00:07:13.86\00:07:17.87 Here's what he wrote in his autobiography. 00:07:17.87\00:07:20.27 "With respect to immortality, 00:07:21.14\00:07:23.41 "nothing shows me so clearly how strong 00:07:23.41\00:07:25.81 "and almost instinctive a belief is 00:07:25.81\00:07:28.71 "as the consideration of the view 00:07:28.71\00:07:30.35 "now held by most physicists, 00:07:30.35\00:07:32.85 "namely, that the sun with all the planets 00:07:32.85\00:07:35.35 "will in time grow too cold for life, 00:07:35.35\00:07:38.62 "unless indeed some new great body dashes into the sun 00:07:38.62\00:07:42.19 "and thus gives it fresh life. 00:07:42.19\00:07:44.99 "Believing is I do that man in the distant future 00:07:44.99\00:07:48.06 "will be a far more perfect creature than he now is, 00:07:48.06\00:07:51.57 "it is an intolerable thought that he 00:07:51.57\00:07:54.67 "and all other sentient beings are doomed 00:07:54.67\00:07:57.21 "to complete annihilation 00:07:57.21\00:07:59.14 "after such long continued slow progress. 00:07:59.14\00:08:03.14 "To those who fully admit 00:08:03.14\00:08:04.51 "the immortality of the human soul, 00:08:04.51\00:08:07.32 "the destruction of our world will not appear so dreadful." 00:08:07.32\00:08:11.29 So, this is what was going on in the Western world. 00:08:12.72\00:08:16.49 People were looking for some kind of evidence 00:08:16.49\00:08:20.76 that we did not live in this hopeless 00:08:20.76\00:08:22.93 materialistic universe. 00:08:22.93\00:08:24.90 But a little later in the 20th century in Russia, 00:08:26.33\00:08:29.44 according to this book by John Gray, 00:08:29.44\00:08:34.01 people were taking a slightly different approach 00:08:34.01\00:08:36.28 to the subject of the afterlife. 00:08:36.28\00:08:38.68 And I'll be right 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00:09:19.19\00:09:22.22 and technological know-how could help them 00:09:22.22\00:09:24.29 defeat death altogether. 00:09:24.29\00:09:26.33 As much as the communists despised 00:09:27.40\00:09:29.76 the materialistic capitalists of the West, 00:09:29.76\00:09:33.17 they themselves were very materialistic, 00:09:33.17\00:09:35.97 although in a different sense. 00:09:35.97\00:09:38.77 In a way, Communism was a logical outgrowth of Darwinism 00:09:38.77\00:09:42.81 because it assumed an upward path for the human race. 00:09:42.81\00:09:46.55 Just like Darwin suggested, they believed 00:09:46.55\00:09:49.28 we were gonna get better with time. 00:09:49.28\00:09:52.19 But from the communist perspective, 00:09:52.19\00:09:54.19 there was no reason we couldn't give 00:09:54.19\00:09:55.89 the process of evolution a little push and help it along. 00:09:55.89\00:09:59.69 If people took control of the means of production, 00:09:59.69\00:10:02.33 and we centralized everything under the power of the state, 00:10:02.33\00:10:05.57 we could make human progress go, well, faster. 00:10:05.57\00:10:10.51 Of course, the price of that progress 00:10:10.51\00:10:13.34 was tens of millions of people who had to die 00:10:13.34\00:10:15.91 because they were considered expendable. 00:10:15.91\00:10:18.68 They were standing in the way of that so-called progress, 00:10:18.68\00:10:22.42 but that would be a story for another day. 00:10:22.42\00:10:25.59 You see it only made sense that the communists 00:10:25.59\00:10:28.76 who denied the existence of a Creator 00:10:28.76\00:10:31.73 would turn to rationalism and science 00:10:31.73\00:10:34.73 to tackle the question of death. 00:10:34.73\00:10:37.93 If we could push human society upward 00:10:37.93\00:10:40.47 through radical, rational, social engineering, 00:10:40.47\00:10:44.51 then maybe the bright minds of science 00:10:44.51\00:10:47.18 could also extend a human lifespan, and maybe 00:10:47.18\00:10:52.15 indefinitely. Now to be sure, the Russians also entertained 00:10:54.12\00:10:56.85 a lot of very occult ideas in the 20th Century, 00:10:56.85\00:11:00.26 which weren't all that far removed 00:11:00.26\00:11:01.99 from the spiritualism going on here in the West. 00:11:01.99\00:11:05.29 But maybe even more than the West, 00:11:05.29\00:11:08.33 the Soviets dressed their spiritualistic ideas 00:11:08.33\00:11:11.77 in the language of science. 00:11:11.77\00:11:13.97 Human beings might be nothing but biological machines 00:11:13.97\00:11:16.94 they believe, but they were machines 00:11:16.94\00:11:19.11 that could be well, deified, 00:11:19.11\00:11:21.94 through the process of rational experimentation. 00:11:21.94\00:11:25.21 Man could potentially become immortal. 00:11:25.21\00:11:29.55 Now of course that science would take 00:11:30.75\00:11:32.79 a lot of experimentation. 00:11:32.79\00:11:35.72 And if you're going to have a lot of experiments, 00:11:35.72\00:11:37.96 you're going to need a lot of subjects, 00:11:37.96\00:11:40.90 human subjects on which to run those experiments. 00:11:40.90\00:11:45.03 And history has taught us, 00:11:45.03\00:11:46.37 this was something the Soviets 00:11:46.37\00:11:47.67 were more than willing to do. 00:11:47.67\00:11:50.34 After Joseph Stalin established 00:11:50.34\00:11:52.54 an Institute of Experimental Medicine 00:11:52.54\00:11:54.91 in the middle of the 20th century, 00:11:54.91\00:11:57.25 the famous Soviet writer, Maxim Gorky, 00:11:57.25\00:12:00.22 showed his excitement over the potential of such things, 00:12:00.22\00:12:03.55 by writing this. 00:12:03.55\00:12:05.19 He said, "We need to experiment on humans themselves. 00:12:05.19\00:12:09.36 "We need to study the human organism, 00:12:09.36\00:12:11.99 "the processes of intracellular feeding, 00:12:11.99\00:12:15.03 "blood circulation, the chemistry of the nervous system 00:12:15.03\00:12:18.90 "and in general, all processes of the human organism. 00:12:18.90\00:12:23.24 "Hundreds of human units will be required." 00:12:23.24\00:12:27.54 Of course, a lot of those human subjects 00:12:27.54\00:12:30.38 were pulled out of the Gulags, 00:12:30.38\00:12:31.98 and a lot of the experiments had more to do 00:12:31.98\00:12:34.52 with chemical weapons than finding the key to immortality, 00:12:34.52\00:12:38.62 but you kind of get the point. 00:12:38.62\00:12:41.69 Somehow we have this idea that we can push 00:12:41.69\00:12:45.09 the human race forward, whatever forward means. 00:12:45.09\00:12:49.53 And we even hold out hope 00:12:49.53\00:12:51.13 that one day we might be able to conquer death. 00:12:51.13\00:12:54.97 Now, here in the West, we point to growing life expectancy 00:12:54.97\00:12:59.54 as proof that science can at least extend a life, 00:12:59.54\00:13:03.85 if not yet preserve it forever. 00:13:03.85\00:13:06.95 But there are those who believe that given enough time 00:13:06.95\00:13:09.98 we will finally unlock the secrets of aging and death, 00:13:09.98\00:13:13.89 and you and I will become immortal. 00:13:13.89\00:13:16.46 I'm not sure what happens with the problem 00:13:17.56\00:13:19.89 of overcrowding in that case, 00:13:19.89\00:13:21.53 unless we all stop reproducing, 00:13:21.53\00:13:23.13 but some people really believe 00:13:23.13\00:13:25.27 the potential for everlasting life is there. 00:13:25.27\00:13:29.54 It's a thought that drives a very unique 00:13:29.54\00:13:32.24 and well, hotly debated industry here in the West. 00:13:32.24\00:13:35.78 It's an industry known as cryonics, 00:13:35.78\00:13:38.28 not to be confused with cryogenics 00:13:38.28\00:13:40.82 which is just the study of how things behave 00:13:40.82\00:13:43.25 at very low temperatures. 00:13:43.25\00:13:46.22 Cryonics is the disputed practice 00:13:46.22\00:13:49.12 of freezing your body when you die, 00:13:49.12\00:13:51.33 so that one day in the future, 00:13:51.33\00:13:54.93 you could be thawed out and resurrected 00:13:54.93\00:13:58.00 after scientists have finally figured out 00:13:58.00\00:14:00.27 how to cure whatever it is that killed you. 00:14:00.27\00:14:03.91 Or if you wanna save a little money 00:14:03.91\00:14:05.51 and not freeze your entire body, 00:14:05.51\00:14:08.28 I've been given to understand 00:14:08.28\00:14:09.81 they can just cut off your head and freeze just that, 00:14:09.81\00:14:12.85 which would mean they would have to somehow 00:14:12.85\00:14:15.35 clone you a new body when they bring you back to life, 00:14:15.35\00:14:17.95 or maybe you just exist as a head on a tray 00:14:17.95\00:14:21.09 like some kind of bad 1950s drive-in movie. 00:14:21.09\00:14:24.43 The idea behind it is the same thing 00:14:25.63\00:14:27.60 that motivated 20th century Russian thinkers, 00:14:27.60\00:14:30.90 the belief that the human race can use logic 00:14:30.90\00:14:34.64 to conquer death. 00:14:34.64\00:14:36.71 There's actually an old rumor. 00:14:36.71\00:14:38.21 Maybe you've heard this one, Walt Disney did this 00:14:38.21\00:14:40.84 when he died back in 1966. 00:14:40.84\00:14:42.98 They froze his body, and now it's stashed away 00:14:42.98\00:14:46.08 in some secret cryonic chamber 00:14:46.08\00:14:48.42 under that ride "Pirates of the Caribbean." 00:14:48.42\00:14:51.19 Of course, it's not true. 00:14:51.19\00:14:52.79 It's just a spooky urban legend 00:14:52.79\00:14:54.76 and the truth is that Walt Disney was cremated, 00:14:54.76\00:14:58.49 and his ashes are still in Forest Lawn Cemetery to this 00:14:58.49\00:15:02.80 day. But there are people who have done this. 00:15:04.00\00:15:08.10 In 1967, the year after Walt Disney died, Dr. James Bedford, 00:15:08.10\00:15:12.97 a professor of psychology at the University of California, 00:15:12.97\00:15:16.38 became the first person we put on ice 00:15:16.38\00:15:19.81 in the hopes of a future resurrection. 00:15:19.81\00:15:22.62 And since that time, something like 250 more people 00:15:22.62\00:15:26.15 have done this, and another 1,500 I understand, 00:15:26.15\00:15:30.33 are standing in line to have this done when they die. 00:15:30.33\00:15:34.20 Now, unfortunately for the early adopters, 00:15:34.20\00:15:37.87 cryonics companies found it too expensive 00:15:37.87\00:15:40.80 to preserve the bodies. 00:15:40.80\00:15:42.60 And in the 1970s, a bunch of these companies went belly up, 00:15:42.60\00:15:45.74 which means, well, they thawed out the bodies 00:15:45.74\00:15:49.78 and got rid of them. 00:15:49.78\00:15:51.05 I guess the point that I'm making is this. 00:15:52.28\00:15:55.22 A lot of human beings have placed an awful lot of faith 00:15:55.22\00:15:59.05 in the ability of science to keep them alive. 00:15:59.05\00:16:02.29 And to some extent we have been successful. 00:16:02.29\00:16:04.99 Things that used to kill us 100 years ago 00:16:04.99\00:16:07.66 can now be treated, 00:16:07.66\00:16:09.40 and lifespans have definitely gotten longer 00:16:09.40\00:16:13.00 on this side of the 20th century. 00:16:13.00\00:16:15.37 So naturally people hold out hope 00:16:15.37\00:16:17.77 that the sky might be the limit, 00:16:17.77\00:16:19.64 that maybe one day we won't have to die anymore. 00:16:19.64\00:16:23.81 Yet for some reason, when it comes to the central story 00:16:25.25\00:16:29.22 of this book, the Resurrection of Christ, 00:16:29.22\00:16:32.55 a lot of people make fun of it and say, "That's impossible." 00:16:32.55\00:16:36.89 They say that people simply do not come back from the dead. 00:16:36.89\00:16:40.63 But let's suppose for a moment that God is absolutely real. 00:16:42.03\00:16:45.53 I happen to believe that he is. 00:16:45.53\00:16:47.64 And let's suppose there really is a Creator 00:16:47.64\00:16:50.44 who made the human race in the first place. 00:16:50.44\00:16:54.28 Are we really willing to say 00:16:54.28\00:16:56.85 that human science might be able to conquer death, 00:16:56.85\00:17:01.02 but the God who gave us life in the first place can't do it? 00:17:01.02\00:17:06.02 A little while ago, I was watching this online debate 00:17:07.46\00:17:09.86 between the professed atheist, Sam Harris, 00:17:09.86\00:17:12.36 and Jordan Peterson, the best-selling Toronto 00:17:12.36\00:17:15.76 psychologist who has become something of a YouTube 00:17:15.76\00:17:19.67 sensation. Obviously neither one of these men 00:17:19.67\00:17:22.34 is a professing Christian, 00:17:22.34\00:17:23.71 at least not in the traditional Bible-believing sense. 00:17:23.71\00:17:27.88 But if you read what Jordan Peterson writes, 00:17:27.88\00:17:30.68 you discover that he does have respect for scripture 00:17:30.68\00:17:34.82 even though he kind of used the book of Genesis 00:17:34.82\00:17:37.69 as a collection of very useful ancient myths 00:17:37.69\00:17:40.99 that spell out important psychological principles. 00:17:40.99\00:17:45.39 Now, at one point in this online debate, 00:17:45.39\00:17:48.96 Sam Harris suddenly challenged Jordan Peterson 00:17:48.96\00:17:51.90 to confirm or deny the Resurrection of Christ. 00:17:51.90\00:17:56.20 "Do you think it's possible" he asked, 00:17:56.20\00:17:58.77 "that Jesus was literally resurrected from the dead?" 00:17:58.77\00:18:02.78 And that's the moment when Dr. Peterson hesitated, 00:18:04.21\00:18:08.88 and his answer was to say that it wasn't a simple question. 00:18:10.32\00:18:12.15 It would take him something like 40 hours to answer that. 00:18:12.15\00:18:16.09 Now I know that this is not 00:18:17.26\00:18:19.23 what Dr. Peterson was driving at, not even close. 00:18:19.23\00:18:22.73 But I'd have to agree with his hesitation. 00:18:22.73\00:18:26.63 The question of whether or not resurrection is possible 00:18:26.63\00:18:29.70 is not as simple as it sounds. 00:18:29.70\00:18:32.97 The skeptic wants to say, "Almost certainly not." 00:18:32.97\00:18:36.54 And that's what Sam Harris said in that debate. 00:18:36.54\00:18:39.48 And we wanna say that because in our experience 00:18:39.48\00:18:41.82 people do not come back from the dead. 00:18:41.82\00:18:45.09 But at the same time, we somehow seem to think 00:18:46.25\00:18:48.99 that the secret of immortality might lie 00:18:48.99\00:18:51.43 within our scientific reach, 00:18:51.43\00:18:53.96 that eventually science might be able to put an end 00:18:53.96\00:18:56.63 to things like aging and death. 00:18:56.63\00:18:59.63 So now I've got to ask the question, 00:18:59.63\00:19:03.20 "Why would that be possible, 00:19:03.20\00:19:05.17 "but it's not possible that Jesus could rise from the dead. 00:19:05.17\00:19:09.14 "How would we be more intelligent than God?" 00:19:09.14\00:19:13.95 Now before you say there is no God, 00:19:13.95\00:19:15.92 for some reason the vast majority of us worldwide 00:19:15.92\00:19:18.32 continue for some reason to believe that there is. 00:19:18.32\00:19:22.49 Even after almost two centuries of Darwin's skepticism, 00:19:22.49\00:19:25.89 we still can't seem to shake the idea 00:19:25.89\00:19:27.96 that somebody must have put us here. 00:19:27.96\00:19:31.03 So why couldn't that Creator raise a man from the dead? 00:19:31.03\00:19:35.27 Are you and I really smarter than the divine mind 00:19:35.27\00:19:38.84 who invented life in the first place? 00:19:38.84\00:19:42.18 Look, I've gotta take a 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book 00:20:21.38\00:20:23.72 and they just write it off as some kind of fairy tale. 00:20:23.72\00:20:27.26 But if it never happened, if Jesus never rose from the dead, 00:20:28.66\00:20:31.33 then the entire Christian faith falls apart. 00:20:31.33\00:20:34.63 I know there are people out there 00:20:34.63\00:20:36.10 who profess to be Christians 00:20:36.10\00:20:37.63 and they treat the Resurrection story as an allegory. 00:20:37.63\00:20:41.14 But according to the first century Christians 00:20:41.14\00:20:43.47 who gave us this book, 00:20:43.47\00:20:44.97 if the Resurrection didn't actually happen, 00:20:44.97\00:20:47.91 there is no Christian faith. 00:20:47.91\00:20:50.61 Let me show you what I mean 00:20:50.61\00:20:51.88 from the writings of Paul, the Apostle. 00:20:51.88\00:20:53.85 He was of course the great missionary of the first century, 00:20:53.85\00:20:56.85 the man who took the Christian faith to the Gentile world, 00:20:56.85\00:20:59.92 helping to establish it as a global religion. 00:20:59.92\00:21:03.86 What we have in the New Testament 00:21:03.86\00:21:05.66 is this collection of letters that Paul wrote 00:21:05.66\00:21:08.10 to some of the churches he started. 00:21:08.10\00:21:10.33 And we have two of his letters 00:21:10.33\00:21:11.80 to the church in Corinth, in modern day Greece. 00:21:11.80\00:21:15.34 And at one point, this is what he writes. 00:21:15.34\00:21:19.77 "For I delivered to you, first of all 00:21:19.77\00:21:21.74 "that which I also received, 00:21:21.74\00:21:24.05 "that Christ died for our sins 00:21:24.05\00:21:25.58 "according to the scriptures and that he was buried, 00:21:25.58\00:21:28.32 "and that he rose again the third day 00:21:28.32\00:21:30.62 "according to the scriptures, 00:21:30.62\00:21:32.25 "and that he was seen by Cephas, 00:21:32.25\00:21:34.02 "then by the 12. 00:21:34.02\00:21:35.52 "After that, he was seen by over 500 brethren at once, 00:21:35.52\00:21:38.39 "of whom the greater part remain to the present, 00:21:38.39\00:21:40.56 "but some have fallen asleep. 00:21:40.56\00:21:42.86 "After that he was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 00:21:42.86\00:21:45.83 "Then last of all he was seen by me also, 00:21:45.83\00:21:48.94 "as by one born out of due time." 00:21:48.94\00:21:52.27 So you can see that from Paul's perspective, 00:21:52.27\00:21:54.41 the story of the Resurrection was not an allegory. 00:21:54.41\00:21:57.51 It wasn't a story the church made up 00:21:57.51\00:21:59.51 in order to illustrate spiritual awakening 00:21:59.51\00:22:01.95 or some other esoteric concept. 00:22:01.95\00:22:05.05 As far as Paul was concerned, the Resurrection was real 00:22:05.05\00:22:08.59 if for no other reason than the fact 00:22:08.59\00:22:10.39 that he had seen the risen Christ. 00:22:10.39\00:22:13.96 And you'll notice he was not the only one 00:22:13.96\00:22:16.40 who claimed to see him. 00:22:16.40\00:22:17.63 More than 500 made the same claim. 00:22:17.63\00:22:20.97 So as far as first century Christians were concerned, 00:22:20.97\00:22:23.44 the Resurrection was real. 00:22:23.44\00:22:25.77 But then notice what Paul says to his skeptics 00:22:25.77\00:22:28.18 down in verse 12. 00:22:28.18\00:22:29.98 "Now if Christ is preached 00:22:29.98\00:22:32.01 "that he has been raised from the dead, 00:22:32.01\00:22:33.62 "how do some among you say 00:22:33.62\00:22:34.95 "there is no resurrection of the dead?" 00:22:34.95\00:22:38.55 Here's what was happening. 00:22:39.72\00:22:41.32 Apparently some of the church members 00:22:41.32\00:22:43.32 in the city of Corinth were arguing about the afterlife, 00:22:43.32\00:22:46.59 whether or not you and I have any hope 00:22:46.59\00:22:48.90 of an existence after we die. 00:22:48.90\00:22:51.40 And what Paul does is point out 00:22:51.40\00:22:54.44 that their entire religion is built on this idea. 00:22:54.44\00:22:58.47 He argues, "How can you preach 00:22:58.47\00:23:01.54 "that Jesus rose from the dead 00:23:01.54\00:23:04.01 "and then deny that such things are possible?" 00:23:04.01\00:23:07.52 He continues in verse 13, 00:23:07.52\00:23:09.12 and here's the point I wanna leave you with 00:23:09.12\00:23:11.09 during this Easter season. 00:23:11.09\00:23:13.09 I'll just read you the whole thing. 00:23:13.09\00:23:15.06 "But if there is no resurrection of the dead, 00:23:16.42\00:23:18.83 "then Christ is not risen. 00:23:18.83\00:23:20.20 "And if Christ is not risen, 00:23:20.20\00:23:21.66 "then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. 00:23:21.66\00:23:25.13 'Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God 00:23:25.13\00:23:28.04 "because we have testified of God 00:23:28.04\00:23:29.60 "that he raised up Christ, whom he did not raise up 00:23:29.60\00:23:32.74 "if in fact the dead do not rise. 00:23:32.74\00:23:35.38 "For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 00:23:35.38\00:23:37.88 "And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile, 00:23:37.88\00:23:41.38 "you are still in your sins. 00:23:41.38\00:23:43.12 "Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ 00:23:43.12\00:23:45.65 "have perished. 00:23:45.65\00:23:46.92 "If in this life only we have hope in Christ, 00:23:46.92\00:23:49.92 "we are of all men the most pitiable." 00:23:49.92\00:23:53.76 Now let me ask you a simple question. 00:23:53.76\00:23:56.26 Does that sound to you like there was any doubt 00:23:56.26\00:23:59.33 in Paul's mind that the Resurrection was a literal 00:23:59.33\00:24:02.87 event? No way! 00:24:02.87\00:24:04.41 And if Christ did not rise from the dead, he argues, 00:24:04.41\00:24:06.51 then there is no point to the Christian faith. 00:24:06.51\00:24:08.98 You see, this is not just a book of spiritual proverbs, 00:24:08.98\00:24:11.65 a collection of mythologies. 00:24:11.65\00:24:14.02 This is an historical record of events 00:24:14.02\00:24:16.82 that actually took place. 00:24:16.82\00:24:18.99 And if the Resurrection didn't take place, 00:24:18.99\00:24:20.92 then you and I are just biological machines 00:24:20.92\00:24:23.29 without any hope. 00:24:23.29\00:24:24.79 The very best we can do is try to extend our lives 00:24:24.79\00:24:27.73 a few years by studying medical science. 00:24:27.73\00:24:30.70 But even then, we'll just be living 00:24:30.70\00:24:32.17 in a cold uncaring universe, 00:24:32.17\00:24:35.77 and a longer lifespan isn't gonna mean a whole lot. 00:24:35.77\00:24:38.51 But if Jesus did rise from the dead 00:24:39.77\00:24:41.88 and this book happens to be true, 00:24:41.88\00:24:44.25 that means you have an awful lot to live for, 00:24:44.25\00:24:46.85 and an awful lot to look forward to. 00:24:46.85\00:24:49.68 Because what you have in this ancient record 00:24:49.68\00:24:51.85 is not some misty pie-in-the-sky future 00:24:51.85\00:24:54.12 in existence in the ether. 00:24:54.12\00:24:56.19 When the Bible says that Jesus rose from the dead, 00:24:56.19\00:24:58.26 it means he really rose from the dead with a physical body. 00:24:58.26\00:25:02.63 The eyewitness testimony you find 00:25:02.63\00:25:04.47 in the first four books in the New Testament 00:25:04.47\00:25:06.40 doesn't talk about some ethereal spirit being 00:25:06.40\00:25:09.30 who sort of came back from the grave. 00:25:09.30\00:25:11.41 It describes a real flesh and blood man, 00:25:11.41\00:25:14.78 like this passage says in Luke Chapter 24. 00:25:14.78\00:25:19.11 "Now as they said these things, 00:25:19.11\00:25:20.65 "Jesus himself stood in the midst of them and said, 00:25:20.65\00:25:23.18 "'Peace be to you.' 00:25:23.18\00:25:24.95 "But they were terrified and frightened 00:25:24.95\00:25:26.49 "and supposed they had seen a spirit. 00:25:26.49\00:25:28.32 "And he said to them, 'Why are you troubled? 00:25:28.32\00:25:30.46 "'And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 00:25:30.46\00:25:32.99 "'Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. 00:25:32.99\00:25:35.96 "'Handle me and see, for a spirit 00:25:35.96\00:25:38.00 "'does not have flesh and bones 00:25:38.00\00:25:40.24 "'as you see I have.'" 00:25:40.24\00:25:42.00 Then to prove the point, he ate something. 00:25:42.00\00:25:44.91 So here's what I'm driving at. 00:25:44.91\00:25:46.44 This book does talk about something after the grave. 00:25:46.44\00:25:49.01 And it's as real as the existence that you have right 00:25:49.01\00:25:52.68 now. I guess you could say the Russians 00:25:52.68\00:25:54.58 were more right than the spiritualists. 00:25:54.58\00:25:57.19 The future this book describes 00:25:57.19\00:25:59.02 is not a world of fuzzy disembodied voices 00:25:59.02\00:26:01.69 that come and rap on a table during a seance. 00:26:01.69\00:26:04.29 It's real flesh and blood people. 00:26:04.29\00:26:06.93 It talks about an earth made new 00:26:06.93\00:26:08.60 where we actually do things, 00:26:08.60\00:26:10.70 and the problems that plague us now, 00:26:10.70\00:26:12.17 they're going to be gone forever. 00:26:12.17\00:26:14.20 So why is it that the Russians thought 00:26:14.20\00:26:17.34 they might be able to extend life 00:26:17.34\00:26:18.94 maybe forever by using science? 00:26:18.94\00:26:21.51 And why is it we think that maybe science 00:26:21.51\00:26:24.15 can slow down aging or maybe even stop it? 00:26:24.15\00:26:27.68 Why do you think we can freeze people 00:26:27.68\00:26:30.05 and bring them back to life one day, 00:26:30.05\00:26:31.62 but then at the same time when this book says 00:26:31.62\00:26:34.29 that somebody's already done it, 00:26:34.29\00:26:35.82 well then we say it's impossible? 00:26:35.82\00:26:38.13 We gotta wonder, what are we trying to avoid 00:26:39.33\00:26:41.50 when we become so insistent that the stories in this book 00:26:41.50\00:26:44.07 couldn't possibly be true? 00:26:44.07\00:26:46.13 On the one hand, we dream about conquering 00:26:46.13\00:26:48.84 all of our problems using logic, 00:26:48.84\00:26:51.54 we dream of visiting the stars, 00:26:51.54\00:26:53.88 but then we say the claims of this book can't be true. 00:26:53.88\00:26:58.58 What are we trying to avoid? 00:26:58.58\00:27:00.65 Don't go away. 00:27:00.65\00:27:02.02 I'll be right back. 00:27:02.02\00:27:03.08 - [Male Announcer] Dragons, beasts, cryptic statues. 00:27:04.69\00:27:08.92 Bible prophecy can be incredibly vivid and confusing. 00:27:08.92\00:27:13.53 If you've ever read "Daniel, a Revelation," 00:27:13.53\00:27:15.66 and come away scratching your head, 00:27:15.66\00:27:17.43 you're not alone. 00:27:17.43\00:27:18.73 Our free "Focus on Prophecy Guides" 00:27:18.73\00:27:21.10 are designed to help you unlock 00:27:21.10\00:27:22.64 the mysteries of the Bible and deepen your understanding 00:27:22.64\00:27:25.47 of God's plan for you and our world. 00:27:25.47\00:27:27.98 Study online, or request them by mail 00:27:27.98\00:27:30.45 and start bringing prophecy into focus today. 00:27:30.45\00:27:34.08 - You know, you've got to wonder why it is 00:27:34.08\00:27:36.28 that we want to live longer. 00:27:36.28\00:27:37.89 Why do we pursue immortality? 00:27:37.89\00:27:41.26 Why do we find it so deeply unsatisfying 00:27:41.26\00:27:44.26 this thought that the universe is just gonna run down 00:27:44.26\00:27:46.63 and then finish and we're gone. 00:27:46.63\00:27:49.56 I think it has something to do with something 00:27:49.56\00:27:51.30 this book said a very long time ago. 00:27:51.30\00:27:54.07 In Ecclesiastes 3:11 it says that we were created 00:27:54.07\00:27:57.84 with eternity in our hearts. 00:27:57.84\00:28:00.18 Maybe it's time to explore that again. 00:28:00.18\00:28:02.48 I'm Shawn Boonstra. 00:28:02.48\00:28:03.88 This has been Authentic. 00:28:03.88\00:28:06.51 [upbeat music] 00:28:06.51\00:28:09.08