Welcome to Anchors Of Truth, live from Surprise, Arizona. 00:00:12.97\00:00:17.65 Well it's another beautiful day in Phoenix today. 00:00:21.52\00:00:25.45 And I want our people to know that we've had a tremendous 00:00:25.75\00:00:31.96 welcome by this church. 00:00:31.99\00:00:33.96 And the Clearview Seventh-day Adventist Church 00:00:34.26\00:00:38.23 right here in Surprise, Arizona are a wonderful group of people. 00:00:38.27\00:00:42.54 And if you live in this Phoenix area and you're looking 00:00:42.57\00:00:46.61 for a church, I invite you to visit this church. 00:00:46.64\00:00:51.51 And if you get a chance tomorrow, we're at 00:00:51.55\00:00:53.78 19554 N. Papago, that's a tough one for me, Drive. 00:00:53.82\00:01:02.12 It's just off Gold Water Canyon. 00:01:02.16\00:01:04.16 Is that right? 00:01:04.56\00:01:05.99 It's just off... 00:01:06.03\00:01:07.36 Well, alright. Well we're getting close. 00:01:08.86\00:01:11.37 - Put it in a GPS. - Yeah, put it there. 00:01:12.53\00:01:14.84 If you don't have one, call. 00:01:16.74\00:01:18.37 I'm sure someone can direct you to the church. 00:01:18.41\00:01:20.08 But you'll be welcomed here, and a wonderful group of people. 00:01:20.11\00:01:24.81 And we want you to visit us, because you will find 00:01:25.35\00:01:30.09 a lot of good friends here, people that love the Lord. 00:01:30.12\00:01:32.92 Beautiful church, beautiful city, beautiful weather. 00:01:33.09\00:01:35.59 Good pastor. 00:01:35.62\00:01:36.96 And good pastor, good pastor's wife. 00:01:36.99\00:01:38.49 She sang for us on last evening. Did a fine job. 00:01:38.53\00:01:41.30 And tonight we get to hear the pastor sing. 00:01:41.33\00:01:43.00 It's a talented couple. 00:01:43.03\00:01:44.37 That's right, and he's going to sing for us in a little bit. 00:01:44.40\00:01:48.04 But we're having an attorney speak to us tonight. 00:01:48.50\00:01:52.67 - Amen. - It's Alan Reinach. 00:01:53.78\00:01:56.71 He's going to be speaking in a moment. 00:01:56.75\00:01:58.31 We'll have somebody else introduce him. 00:01:58.35\00:02:00.92 Ralph Ringer, the NAD Jewish Ministries leader, 00:02:00.95\00:02:05.29 is going to be introducing him a little later. 00:02:05.55\00:02:09.02 Ralph may not tell you, but Alan is really a New York guy. 00:02:09.29\00:02:12.43 He's an east coast guy. 00:02:12.56\00:02:13.90 He's kind of a world figure now, but his roots 00:02:13.93\00:02:15.96 are in the east coast. 00:02:16.00\00:02:17.33 And you can still hear that New York in him when he talks. 00:02:17.37\00:02:19.77 He's got that New York demeanor. 00:02:19.80\00:02:21.14 So we still claim him back in New York as a New York guy. 00:02:21.17\00:02:24.34 Even though he's a sought after world speaker, 00:02:24.44\00:02:26.34 he's a New Yorker. 00:02:26.37\00:02:27.71 You know, a few years ago, a few months ago, 00:02:27.74\00:02:29.81 we interviewed Juanita Kretschmar. 00:02:30.28\00:02:31.95 You remember, that was a year ago actually. 00:02:31.98\00:02:34.02 About this time we were down in Miami, Florida. 00:02:34.22\00:02:37.55 And there are two individuals of our speakers 00:02:38.02\00:02:42.46 who, I believe, one of their first contacts 00:02:42.56\00:02:47.10 with Seventh-day Adventists was through that ministry. 00:02:47.30\00:02:50.77 I think you're one of them? 00:02:50.80\00:02:52.13 Okay, Jeff was one of them for sure. 00:02:52.97\00:02:55.44 So there have been a number of others that have received 00:02:55.54\00:03:00.88 Jesus Christ, and it all started with Juanita and her work. 00:03:01.18\00:03:05.11 Indeed. You know, we are remiss. 00:03:05.15\00:03:06.48 We get to wish our audience, and I to you, happy Sabbath. 00:03:06.51\00:03:09.62 Yes, happy Sabbath to you. 00:03:09.65\00:03:11.02 The Sabbath hours have begun. 00:03:11.05\00:03:12.65 And it is a respite from the work day, from the week. 00:03:12.69\00:03:16.39 And it's just good to be in the house of the Lord on Sabbath. 00:03:16.42\00:03:19.09 It really is. 00:03:19.13\00:03:20.46 And I'm going to ask you to introduce our... 00:03:20.66\00:03:24.83 I'm going to introduce our singer. 00:03:24.87\00:03:28.30 But I'm going to ask you to have a word of prayer 00:03:28.34\00:03:30.51 just before we do that. 00:03:30.61\00:03:31.94 - Would you do it? - Be my pleasure. 00:03:31.97\00:03:33.31 - Alright. - Shall we pray. 00:03:33.34\00:03:34.78 Gracious Father, how we praise Your name. 00:03:35.48\00:03:38.71 How thankful we are for the call that brought us from 00:03:39.41\00:03:41.78 darkness to light, and error to truth. 00:03:41.82\00:03:44.29 How thankful we are for the Sabbath day 00:03:44.32\00:03:47.02 and for the Seventh-day Adventist Church. 00:03:47.42\00:03:49.56 How thankful we are for Three Angels Broadcasting Network, 00:03:49.59\00:03:52.66 and the many things that You are doing 00:03:52.69\00:03:55.20 to warn men and women that Jesus is coming soon. 00:03:55.23\00:03:59.80 We ask Your blessing upon this program, 00:04:00.04\00:04:02.27 the music that shall be sung, the word that shall be preached. 00:04:02.30\00:04:06.04 May we see Jesus again and anew. 00:04:06.07\00:04:09.38 May we take one more step along that road that leads to glory. 00:04:09.58\00:04:13.42 May our hearts sit with Christ for just a little while. 00:04:13.62\00:04:17.49 And may we get a new vision of the King 00:04:17.52\00:04:20.79 and the soon coming kingdom. 00:04:20.92\00:04:22.92 We thank You, Father, for Your promise to hear 00:04:23.22\00:04:25.53 and answer the prayer of faith. 00:04:25.56\00:04:27.16 - In Jesus' name, amen. - Amen. 00:04:27.20\00:04:29.96 Many years ago when I was in school, 00:04:30.47\00:04:32.97 I had a good friend named, Ronnie Tull. 00:04:33.30\00:04:36.64 And we all loved Ronnie. 00:04:37.17\00:04:39.37 He was a very special, special person. 00:04:39.47\00:04:42.81 Weekend leave, Ronnie went home. 00:04:44.91\00:04:47.62 And he never returned because of a tragic automobile accident. 00:04:48.78\00:04:52.75 And we mourned him. 00:04:53.56\00:04:54.89 The next year, I believe it was the next year, 00:04:55.49\00:04:58.56 his younger brother, Murrell, came to school. 00:04:58.59\00:05:02.20 You know something? 00:05:02.33\00:05:03.67 We all adopted Murrell, first because he was Ronnie's brother. 00:05:03.70\00:05:08.80 And Ronnie's brother was going to get special treatment. 00:05:09.40\00:05:12.37 But after that, it was because we liked Murrell. 00:05:12.87\00:05:16.14 We really did. We liked to tease him. 00:05:16.44\00:05:18.35 We liked to have fun with him. 00:05:19.48\00:05:21.15 Because he was a fun loving person. 00:05:21.48\00:05:24.92 In those days, we had medical cadet core. 00:05:25.25\00:05:28.42 I was the first sergeant. 00:05:28.46\00:05:30.03 And I liked to give him a rough time. 00:05:30.29\00:05:32.43 And he reminded me of that the other night. 00:05:32.93\00:05:37.37 Through the years we've remained friends. 00:05:38.20\00:05:40.94 I think a lot of Murrell Tull. 00:05:41.40\00:05:44.81 Later he met and married Ginger. 00:05:45.17\00:05:47.51 The wisest thing he has ever done. 00:05:47.91\00:05:50.95 And tonight, it's a real privilege to introduce 00:05:52.11\00:05:58.72 the pastor of this church, Pastor Murrell Tull. 00:05:58.75\00:06:02.56 He's going to be singing for us, My House Is Full. 00:06:02.92\00:06:07.26 There is peace and contentment in my Father's house today; 00:06:25.81\00:06:34.46 lots of food on His table and no one is turned away. 00:06:34.49\00:06:43.40 There is singing and laughter as the hours pass by; 00:06:43.43\00:06:51.87 but a hush calms the singing as the Father sadly cries, 00:06:51.91\00:07:01.15 "My house is full, but My field is empty; 00:07:02.78\00:07:11.23 who will go and work for Me today? 00:07:11.53\00:07:19.33 It seems My children all want to stay around My table; 00:07:19.37\00:07:27.94 but no one wants to work in My field, 00:07:27.98\00:07:36.45 no one wants to work in My field." 00:07:36.48\00:07:44.16 Push away from the table, look out through the windowpane; 00:07:44.93\00:07:53.03 just beyond this house of plenty lies a field of golden grain. 00:07:53.07\00:08:01.74 And it's ripe unto harvest; but the reapers, where are they? 00:08:01.78\00:08:09.78 "They're in the house," oh, can't the children 00:08:09.82\00:08:14.42 hear the Father sadly say. 00:08:14.46\00:08:19.16 "My house is full, but My field is empty; 00:08:21.16\00:08:30.11 who will go and work for Me today? 00:08:30.14\00:08:37.88 It seems My children all want to stay around My table; 00:08:37.91\00:08:46.49 but no one wants to work in My field, 00:08:46.52\00:08:54.86 no one wants to work in My field. 00:08:54.90\00:09:02.90 Who will go and work 00:09:03.77\00:09:09.58 in My field?" 00:09:09.78\00:09:19.35 A beautiful song. 00:09:27.03\00:09:28.36 A beautiful song. 00:09:31.37\00:09:32.70 Tonight, I want to introduce to you Alan Reinach. 00:09:32.73\00:09:37.61 He's the Executive Director of The Church/State Council. 00:09:38.14\00:09:42.74 And he will be speaking on, the title of his message, 00:09:43.95\00:09:47.78 Church, State, and the Covenants. 00:09:47.98\00:09:52.95 Thanks for telling me my lights are on, just when I'm 00:10:02.46\00:10:04.67 getting up to preach. 00:10:04.70\00:10:06.17 And C.A., you're absolutely right. 00:10:06.20\00:10:08.34 You can take the kid out of New York, 00:10:08.37\00:10:10.11 but you can't take New York out of the kid. 00:10:10.31\00:10:13.01 Always be a New Yorker. 00:10:13.04\00:10:14.68 But I'm delighted to be with you folks here in Surprise, 00:10:14.71\00:10:18.11 to reconnect with some old friends. 00:10:18.15\00:10:20.85 And you know, we're in a series about the covenants. 00:10:21.25\00:10:25.79 And I was asked to take the title, the topic that's 00:10:25.82\00:10:29.32 right up my alley, because my work is in religious freedom 00:10:29.36\00:10:33.26 and dealing with church/state relationships. 00:10:33.29\00:10:35.66 So we're going to tackle the topic of church and state 00:10:35.70\00:10:39.93 really in the Bible. 00:10:39.97\00:10:41.30 Church and State, and the Covenants. 00:10:41.34\00:10:43.04 There's a myth, ancient by American standards, 00:10:43.67\00:10:46.88 going back to the earliest days of European settlement 00:10:46.91\00:10:50.61 that likens America to Israel of old 00:10:51.21\00:10:55.08 and imagines a special relationship, 00:10:55.22\00:10:57.89 a covenant relationship even. 00:10:57.92\00:11:00.12 And the most famous and oft quoted sermon in 00:11:00.86\00:11:03.39 American history, John Winthrop, on his way to New England 00:11:03.43\00:11:08.70 with the pilgrims, with the Puritans, 00:11:08.93\00:11:11.50 he invoked the blessings and cursings of God's covenant 00:11:11.53\00:11:15.14 with Israel as he urged his pilgrim band to righteousness 00:11:15.17\00:11:19.47 and godliness in the face of the nearly impossible challenge 00:11:19.51\00:11:24.98 of the New England winters and establishing a settlement there. 00:11:25.01\00:11:29.02 Invoking the covenant promises to Israel, 00:11:29.72\00:11:32.25 John Winthrop proclaimed that this puny pilgrim band 00:11:32.29\00:11:35.89 would become a city upon a hill. 00:11:35.92\00:11:38.66 That the eyes of the world would be upon them. 00:11:38.89\00:11:41.60 "And the Lord will be our God and delight to dwell among us," 00:11:42.00\00:11:45.30 he said, "as His own people and will command a blessing 00:11:45.50\00:11:49.60 upon us in all our ways." 00:11:49.64\00:11:51.37 Well, Winthrop closed the sermon with one of my 00:11:52.01\00:11:54.78 favorite passages from Deuteronomy, 00:11:54.81\00:11:56.95 appropriating God's promises to Israel and making them 00:11:56.98\00:12:01.35 his own promises to the pilgrims. 00:12:02.22\00:12:06.02 Quote, "Therefore, let us choose life that we and our seed 00:12:06.69\00:12:12.79 may live; by obeying His voice and cleaving to Him; 00:12:12.83\00:12:17.17 for He is our life and our prosperity." 00:12:17.37\00:12:21.97 Well, in every generation since John Winthrop, 00:12:23.20\00:12:26.54 the errors of the Puritans have imagined America 00:12:26.57\00:12:29.94 in a special covenant relationship to God. 00:12:29.98\00:12:33.75 Revolutionary war era preachers invoked the rhetoric 00:12:34.25\00:12:38.62 of Israel to preach separation from England 00:12:38.65\00:12:41.66 and to encourage their flocks that God's blessings 00:12:41.69\00:12:45.39 would attend their efforts in opposing English tyranny. 00:12:45.43\00:12:51.53 We've written American history to make larger than life 00:12:52.37\00:12:55.90 Christian heroes of spiritually apathetic leaders, 00:12:55.94\00:12:59.64 like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. 00:12:59.67\00:13:02.14 Neither one of whom could have given evidence of 00:13:02.34\00:13:04.65 Christian conversion to satisfy the likes of John Winthrop 00:13:04.85\00:13:08.58 and the early generation of New England clergy. 00:13:08.62\00:13:12.25 And faced with social and cultural change, 00:13:12.72\00:13:15.29 Christians today and other generations have lamented 00:13:15.32\00:13:19.19 the loss of our nations spirituality 00:13:19.23\00:13:22.23 and the loss of our Christian values. 00:13:22.26\00:13:24.67 A generation ago, American Protestant leaders abandoned 00:13:25.50\00:13:28.64 their historic commitment to the separation of church and state 00:13:28.84\00:13:32.94 in the face of Supreme Court decisions 00:13:32.97\00:13:35.61 consistent with the ethos of the state as officially 00:13:35.64\00:13:40.02 neutral toward religion; 00:13:40.05\00:13:42.35 and thereby ruling that state sponsored religion in the 00:13:42.65\00:13:45.99 public schools, such as rote prayer and Bible reading, 00:13:46.02\00:13:49.36 violated the First Amendment. 00:13:49.39\00:13:51.23 These Protestant leaders condemned the Supreme Court 00:13:51.79\00:13:55.73 for doing what the Court surely could never do; 00:13:55.76\00:13:59.27 kick God and prayer out of public school. 00:13:59.53\00:14:03.57 Even the most casual observer should realize the absurdity 00:14:04.21\00:14:08.61 of claiming that the Supreme Court had the power 00:14:08.64\00:14:12.21 to restrict God's presence in the public school. 00:14:12.25\00:14:15.68 This is terrible theology. 00:14:15.92\00:14:18.59 Now Protestants believe that Christ indwells the heart 00:14:18.95\00:14:22.52 of the believer through the Holy Spirit. 00:14:22.72\00:14:24.89 So where there are Christians in public school, 00:14:25.16\00:14:27.76 God is there dwelling in their hearts. 00:14:27.80\00:14:30.87 Amen? 00:14:30.90\00:14:32.23 Well equally absurd was the Protestant defense of the 00:14:32.43\00:14:36.81 Regent's prayer, which the Supreme Court said 00:14:36.84\00:14:40.38 could no longer be mandated in New York public schools. 00:14:40.41\00:14:44.85 Now the governing body of the New York schools, 00:14:45.08\00:14:47.38 the Board of Regents, had drafted the following 00:14:47.48\00:14:50.95 seemingly innocuous prayer, and I'll quote it to you. 00:14:50.99\00:14:55.12 "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, 00:14:55.86\00:15:00.20 and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, 00:15:00.53\00:15:04.30 our teachers, and our country." 00:15:04.40\00:15:07.27 Nothing wrong with that prayer, right? 00:15:07.67\00:15:09.60 Well, contrast this prayer, which hundreds of thousands 00:15:10.17\00:15:15.44 of New York students were required to recite 00:15:15.48\00:15:18.41 by rote day after school day with the teachings of Jesus 00:15:18.45\00:15:23.92 in the sermon on the mount. 00:15:23.95\00:15:25.59 Jesus said, and I quote, "And when you pray, 00:15:26.19\00:15:30.53 you shall not be like the hypocrites; 00:15:30.76\00:15:33.43 for they love to pray standing in the synagogues 00:15:33.46\00:15:37.07 and on the corners of the streets, that they may be 00:15:37.10\00:15:39.77 seen by men. 00:15:39.80\00:15:41.14 But you, when you pray, go into your room; 00:15:41.17\00:15:44.84 and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father 00:15:44.87\00:15:48.31 who is in the secret place. 00:15:48.34\00:15:50.45 And your father who sees in secret will reward you openly. 00:15:50.48\00:15:55.48 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions 00:15:55.52\00:16:01.22 as the heathen do." 00:16:01.46\00:16:03.19 So what do you think? 00:16:03.86\00:16:05.19 Was teaching our children to recite the same empty phrase 00:16:05.23\00:16:10.50 day in and day out, this is what we want to teach our children 00:16:10.53\00:16:14.27 about what prayer is? 00:16:14.30\00:16:16.17 One of my favorite incites about prayer 00:16:16.94\00:16:20.84 says that prayer is the opening of the heart to God 00:16:22.88\00:16:27.78 as to a friend. 00:16:27.82\00:16:29.25 And I don't see any of that in the recitation of 00:16:29.35\00:16:32.45 the Regent's prayer. 00:16:32.49\00:16:33.82 I think the state of New York was teaching our children 00:16:33.86\00:16:37.23 vain repetition, not genuine prayer. 00:16:37.26\00:16:40.36 Which is a good reason to keep government 00:16:40.40\00:16:43.10 out of the business of religion. 00:16:43.40\00:16:46.30 After all, we have such a dim view of our politicians, 00:16:46.33\00:16:51.57 we really want to trust religion into their hands 00:16:51.61\00:16:54.94 and expect that they won't sully the faith in so doing? 00:16:54.98\00:17:00.12 Well the ongoing social, cultural, and legal wars 00:17:00.45\00:17:03.89 over public religion in America have to be 00:17:03.92\00:17:07.06 put into a larger context. 00:17:07.09\00:17:10.09 Many Americans still believe our nation is in a unique 00:17:10.63\00:17:14.76 covenant relation to God, and that we must 00:17:14.80\00:17:18.03 return to God or suffer the consequences. 00:17:18.07\00:17:21.47 Now the Bible is quite clear, as Solomon observed 00:17:22.14\00:17:25.37 in the Proverbs, that righteousness exalts 00:17:25.41\00:17:28.48 a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people. 00:17:28.51\00:17:32.21 But this is equally true for every nation, 00:17:32.25\00:17:35.15 not just the United States. 00:17:35.18\00:17:37.05 But the Bible is also very clear about the boundaries 00:17:37.52\00:17:42.52 between civil and religious authority. 00:17:42.56\00:17:45.96 Believe it or not, we're going to see that there is 00:17:45.99\00:17:49.30 separation of church and state in the Bible. 00:17:49.33\00:17:53.03 Now those who would invoke the power and the privilege 00:17:53.54\00:17:56.14 of the state to promote and regulate the beliefs 00:17:56.17\00:18:00.28 and observances of the church, I contend that they commit 00:18:00.31\00:18:05.15 a grave and a dangerous error. 00:18:05.18\00:18:07.85 But don't take my word for it. 00:18:08.32\00:18:10.02 Let's take a walk through the Bible and see 00:18:10.42\00:18:14.22 some of these passages that give us insight 00:18:14.26\00:18:17.83 about separation, about the relationships, 00:18:17.86\00:18:20.96 between church and state. 00:18:21.00\00:18:22.86 And we're going to take a look at the whole teaching 00:18:22.90\00:18:25.63 of Scripture and passages from both Old and New Testaments. 00:18:25.67\00:18:30.37 Well, in the beginning of Israel's history, 00:18:30.74\00:18:33.81 we see a separation between the civil and religious authority. 00:18:34.18\00:18:37.71 Moses, of course, is the civil leader, and his brother, Aaron, 00:18:38.01\00:18:42.65 the high priest, Aaron and his sons are responsible 00:18:42.68\00:18:46.92 for carrying out the religious ceremonies 00:18:46.96\00:18:49.86 in the temple. 00:18:50.06\00:18:51.39 Moses is responsible for the leadership of the nation 00:18:51.43\00:18:54.83 for the civic duties. 00:18:54.86\00:18:56.70 The priesthood is given to Aaron's family, 00:18:57.23\00:18:59.93 to the tribe of Levi. 00:18:59.97\00:19:01.70 After the days of Moses and Joshua, there followed 00:19:02.17\00:19:05.17 a period under the judges, as recorded in the book of Judges, 00:19:05.21\00:19:09.04 before Israel had a king, of course. 00:19:09.34\00:19:11.55 We consider it a theocracy. 00:19:11.95\00:19:13.85 God was the ruler and the nation was under God's authority. 00:19:13.88\00:19:17.19 And there are those today who imagine they would like to 00:19:17.42\00:19:19.75 bring America into a theocracy directly under God's authority. 00:19:19.79\00:19:24.39 I suggest to you that if you look around the world today 00:19:24.59\00:19:28.30 at nations like Iran and Pakistan, 00:19:28.33\00:19:31.97 you might think twice. 00:19:32.00\00:19:34.10 Saudi Arabia. 00:19:34.14\00:19:35.47 We might think twice about blending religious and civil 00:19:35.50\00:19:39.81 authority too closely, and the oppression that comes with that. 00:19:39.84\00:19:43.48 But honestly, I don't think that the modern vision of theocracy 00:19:44.08\00:19:48.38 bears any resemblance to what actually took place 00:19:48.42\00:19:52.29 in the theocracy in Israel. 00:19:52.32\00:19:54.19 And note, the period of judges summed up in the 00:19:54.29\00:19:58.26 final verse of the book says, and I quote, 00:19:58.29\00:20:01.06 "In those days there was no king in Israel. 00:20:01.40\00:20:04.57 Everyone did what was right in his own eyes." 00:20:05.03\00:20:09.00 Now we tend to think about this, that, "Oh well, there was 00:20:09.47\00:20:13.88 a lot of mischief going on. 00:20:13.91\00:20:16.51 People were behaving badly. 00:20:16.54\00:20:18.68 They were doing whatever they wanted, 00:20:18.71\00:20:20.32 and it was rather lawless." 00:20:20.35\00:20:23.25 But notice what this verse says about just how heavy handed 00:20:23.92\00:20:30.36 God was in exercising authority during a time when 00:20:30.39\00:20:34.43 He was directly ruling the nation. 00:20:34.46\00:20:36.77 During the period of the theocracy, God was not 00:20:37.23\00:20:40.14 careful to lay down the law at all, or to impose, you know, 00:20:40.17\00:20:44.77 religious and civil laws and rules. 00:20:44.81\00:20:47.34 He was not the least bit heavy handed, was He. 00:20:47.38\00:20:50.28 So I don't think that's the type of theocracy 00:20:50.68\00:20:53.31 that, when people think of bringing the Bible 00:20:53.35\00:20:56.92 back into the law and bringing theocracy, 00:20:56.95\00:21:00.69 that they're looking for. 00:21:00.72\00:21:03.09 Well as you know, Israel desired a king. 00:21:03.69\00:21:06.09 And Saul was chosen as the first king. 00:21:06.39\00:21:09.16 And Saul very quickly faced a military threat 00:21:09.66\00:21:12.07 from the Philistines. 00:21:12.10\00:21:13.47 So he was gathering his army at Gilgal to prepare for battle. 00:21:13.84\00:21:18.64 And the prophet Samuel instructed Saul to wait 00:21:18.67\00:21:21.84 for him there at Gilgal seven days, that he would come and 00:21:21.88\00:21:25.61 offer sacrifice and invoke the blessing of the Lord. 00:21:25.65\00:21:28.85 Now Saul quite rightly knew that Israel was outnumbered, 00:21:29.15\00:21:36.02 they were poorly armed, they were ill-equipped 00:21:36.06\00:21:40.00 to face the Philistines in battle. 00:21:40.03\00:21:42.26 And he coveted the blessing of the Lord. 00:21:42.30\00:21:44.87 That was a good thing. 00:21:44.90\00:21:46.30 But read with me the account in 1 Samuel chapter 13 00:21:46.90\00:21:51.77 beginning in verse 7. 00:21:52.07\00:21:53.98 "As for Saul, he was still in Gilgal, 00:21:55.08\00:21:57.55 and all the people followed him trembling. 00:21:57.98\00:22:00.42 Now he waited seven days, according to the time 00:22:00.85\00:22:03.32 set by Samuel, but Samuel did not come to Gilgal; 00:22:03.35\00:22:06.96 and the people were scattered from him." 00:22:06.99\00:22:09.22 Well, Saul must have been worried now, 00:22:09.72\00:22:12.33 how people are leaving. 00:22:12.36\00:22:13.93 How's he going to keep his army together? 00:22:13.96\00:22:15.73 "So Saul said, 'Bring a burnt offering 00:22:15.76\00:22:18.00 and peace offerings here to me.' 00:22:18.03\00:22:19.93 And he offered the burnt offering. 00:22:19.97\00:22:22.17 Now it happened as soon as he had finished 00:22:22.87\00:22:26.98 presenting the burnt offering..." 00:22:27.01\00:22:28.74 Funny how that works, isn't it. 00:22:28.98\00:22:30.41 Just as soon as he did it. 00:22:30.45\00:22:32.05 "...that Samuel came; and Saul went out to meet him, 00:22:32.25\00:22:35.55 that he might greet him. 00:22:35.58\00:22:36.92 And Samuel said, 'What have you done?' 00:22:38.02\00:22:41.82 Saul said," innocently, "What do you mean, 'What have you done?' 00:22:43.12\00:22:48.10 When I saw that the people scattered from me, 00:22:48.13\00:22:50.60 and that you did not come within the days appointed..." 00:22:50.63\00:22:54.24 Shifting the blame, huh? 00:22:54.74\00:22:56.24 "...and that the Philistines gathered together at Michmash, 00:22:56.50\00:22:59.91 then I said, 'The Philistines will now come down on me 00:22:59.94\00:23:03.18 at Gilgal, and I have not made supplication of the Lord.' 00:23:03.21\00:23:06.72 Therefore I felt compelled, and offered the burnt offering." 00:23:07.25\00:23:11.65 Blah, blah, blah. Saul's making excuses, right? 00:23:11.69\00:23:15.09 Trying to justify doing something that he knew 00:23:15.19\00:23:19.63 he was not suppose to do. 00:23:20.00\00:23:22.23 "And Samuel said to Saul, 'You have done foolishly. 00:23:22.96\00:23:27.27 You have not kept the command of the Lord your God, 00:23:27.64\00:23:30.91 which He commanded you. 00:23:30.94\00:23:32.47 For now the Lord would have established your kingdom 00:23:32.51\00:23:34.81 over Israel forever. 00:23:34.84\00:23:36.18 But now your kingdom shall not continue. 00:23:36.21\00:23:39.65 The Lord has sought for Himself a man after His own heart, 00:23:40.62\00:23:44.35 and the Lord has commanded him to be commander 00:23:44.75\00:23:46.79 over His people, because you have not kept 00:23:46.82\00:23:50.59 what the Lord commanded you.'" 00:23:50.96\00:23:52.86 Saul forfeited his authority as king, his kingship, 00:23:53.50\00:24:01.37 because he crossed a boundary. 00:24:01.57\00:24:05.51 He crossed a bright line boundary that no king, 00:24:05.91\00:24:09.78 no civil ruler, ever should do. 00:24:09.88\00:24:12.61 He offered sacrifice. 00:24:12.65\00:24:14.45 He usurped religious authority. 00:24:14.95\00:24:18.62 It was not his prerogative to do that. 00:24:19.35\00:24:22.32 Saul wasn't wrong to want to invoke God's blessing. 00:24:23.16\00:24:26.90 He knew he needed God. 00:24:27.16\00:24:28.83 But was this something that was so wrong 00:24:30.40\00:24:34.80 that his kingdom should be taken away from him? 00:24:34.84\00:24:38.27 Apparently, it was a very serious matter. 00:24:39.01\00:24:42.31 And God wanted to make it very clear, this distinction 00:24:42.51\00:24:45.88 between civil and religious authority. 00:24:46.18\00:24:49.58 And we see this in some additional examples as well. 00:24:49.62\00:24:54.19 I'm going to take them out of historical order. 00:24:55.02\00:24:58.03 So first, consider the experience 00:24:58.79\00:25:01.10 of a good king; Uzziah. 00:25:01.40\00:25:03.57 The Bible says he was a righteous king. 00:25:04.33\00:25:06.84 He became king at age 16 and reigned for 52 years. 00:25:07.40\00:25:11.87 The Bible said he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord. 00:25:11.91\00:25:16.48 But then look at 2 Chronicles 26. 00:25:16.85\00:25:20.08 Pick up the story in verse 16. 00:25:20.12\00:25:23.85 "But when he was strong, he grew proud, to his destruction. 00:25:25.15\00:25:29.52 For he was unfaithful to the Lord his God and entered 00:25:29.82\00:25:33.66 the temple of the Lord to burn incense 00:25:33.70\00:25:36.60 on the altar of incense." 00:25:36.63\00:25:38.70 Now to me, this passage is counterintuitive. 00:25:39.63\00:25:43.87 Uzziah was unfaithful because he went to worship God 00:25:43.91\00:25:47.11 in the temple and to burn incense? 00:25:47.14\00:25:49.98 Well, let's keep reading. 00:25:50.61\00:25:52.38 "But Azariah the priest went in after him, with eighty priests 00:25:53.15\00:25:57.55 of the Lord who were men of valor, and they withstood 00:25:57.59\00:26:01.72 King Uzziah and said to him, 'It is not for you, Uzziah, 00:26:01.76\00:26:05.89 to burn incense to the Lord, but for the priests, 00:26:05.93\00:26:08.80 the sons of Aaron, who are consecrated to burn incense. 00:26:08.83\00:26:12.27 Go out of the sanctuary, for you have done wrong, 00:26:12.43\00:26:15.94 and it will bring you no honor from the Lord God.'" 00:26:15.97\00:26:19.54 Wow, imagine talking to a king like that. 00:26:20.71\00:26:23.88 Azariah the priest is not messing around. 00:26:24.45\00:26:27.25 He's got eighty priests with him as backup. 00:26:27.28\00:26:30.79 Men of valor. 00:26:30.82\00:26:32.15 Sounds like they're pretty tough guys to me, you know. 00:26:32.49\00:26:35.96 Something like bouncers in the house of the Lord. 00:26:35.99\00:26:38.96 Well, then Uzziah was angry. 00:26:40.00\00:26:42.43 Now picking up from the Bible reading. 00:26:43.16\00:26:46.23 "He had a censer in his hand to burn incense, 00:26:46.27\00:26:48.74 and when he became angry with the priests, leprosy broke out 00:26:48.77\00:26:53.84 on his forehead in the presence of the priests 00:26:53.88\00:26:56.85 in the house of the Lord, by the altar of incense. 00:26:57.15\00:27:00.18 And Azariah the chief priest and all the priests looked at him, 00:27:00.52\00:27:03.25 and behold, he was leprous in his forehead. 00:27:03.28\00:27:06.02 And they rushed him out quickly, and he himself 00:27:06.05\00:27:08.79 hurried to go out, because the Lord had struck him. 00:27:08.82\00:27:12.19 And King Uzziah was a leper to the day of his death. 00:27:13.06\00:27:16.46 And being a leper lived in a separate house, 00:27:17.07\00:27:19.57 for he was excluded from the house of the Lord. 00:27:19.90\00:27:22.84 And Jotham his son was over the king's household, 00:27:23.41\00:27:27.08 governing the people of the land." 00:27:27.18\00:27:29.28 Uzziah was a good king. 00:27:30.18\00:27:31.88 He was a righteous man. 00:27:32.01\00:27:33.65 But he crossed a line. 00:27:34.18\00:27:36.05 A line that no king was allowed to cross. 00:27:36.45\00:27:39.45 He entered the temple to burn incense on the altar; 00:27:39.49\00:27:43.19 to engage in religious ceremonies that belonged 00:27:43.22\00:27:46.19 only to the priesthood. 00:27:46.23\00:27:48.03 And for this grave sin, Uzziah was struck with leprosy. 00:27:48.56\00:27:52.53 He had to surrender his throne to his son. 00:27:52.83\00:27:55.30 As a leper, he would have to live alone. 00:27:55.34\00:27:57.61 He could no longer exercise the prerogatives of king. 00:27:58.17\00:28:01.84 What a sad ending for a good man. 00:28:01.88\00:28:05.28 Well in the next story, the king is chastised 00:28:06.21\00:28:09.48 for setting up a pagan altar. 00:28:09.78\00:28:11.65 Jeroboam is the one who divided Israel from Judah 00:28:12.35\00:28:17.33 after the death of Solomon. 00:28:17.53\00:28:19.36 And in order to secure the allegiance of the people 00:28:19.83\00:28:22.76 to his kingdom, he decided to set up a separate 00:28:22.80\00:28:26.23 center of worship so that people would not go down 00:28:26.33\00:28:29.80 to Jerusalem and then be led to follow the house of David. 00:28:29.84\00:28:34.41 And we read, "Behold, a man of God came out of Judah 00:28:36.08\00:28:40.02 by the word of the Lord to Bethel. 00:28:40.05\00:28:42.48 Jeroboam was standing by the altar to make offerings." 00:28:42.88\00:28:46.19 Now this was a pagan altar that Jeroboam had set up. 00:28:46.22\00:28:50.03 It wasn't the temple in Jerusalem. 00:28:50.06\00:28:52.43 "And the man cried against the altar by the word of the Lord, 00:28:53.06\00:28:56.30 and said, 'O altar, altar, thus says the Lord, 00:28:56.33\00:29:00.10 "Behold, a son shall be born to the house of David, 00:29:00.67\00:29:04.04 Josiah by name, and he shall sacrifice on you 00:29:04.24\00:29:08.34 the priests of the high places who make offerings on you, 00:29:08.38\00:29:12.41 and human bones shall be burned on you."'" 00:29:12.45\00:29:15.95 That's pretty intense, isn't it, 00:29:16.05\00:29:18.45 to say in the presence of a king? 00:29:18.99\00:29:21.46 "And he gave a sign the same day, saying, 00:29:22.19\00:29:24.66 'This is the sign that the Lord has spoken, 00:29:24.69\00:29:27.33 "Behold, the altar shall be torn down, and the ashes 00:29:27.53\00:29:31.30 that are on it shall be poured out."'" 00:29:31.33\00:29:33.74 Well, it's always dangerous to lift up one's hand 00:29:34.84\00:29:38.67 against God's anointed. 00:29:38.71\00:29:40.38 Civil rulers, kings even, are playing with fire 00:29:41.14\00:29:45.01 when they strike out against religious leaders 00:29:45.05\00:29:47.62 on account of their religious message. 00:29:47.65\00:29:50.32 Here, the king clearly doesn't like the message of the prophet. 00:29:50.69\00:29:55.29 He doesn't approve of his exercising free speech, does he. 00:29:55.32\00:30:00.20 "And so when the king heard the saying of the man of God, 00:30:01.23\00:30:04.57 which he cried against the altar at Bethel, 00:30:04.77\00:30:07.30 Jeroboam stretched out his hand from the altar, saying, 00:30:07.34\00:30:10.54 'Seize him.'" 00:30:10.57\00:30:11.91 What do you think happened to his hand? 00:30:12.57\00:30:14.54 "His hand, which he stretched out against him, dried up, 00:30:15.58\00:30:18.88 so that he could not draw it back to himself. 00:30:19.35\00:30:23.02 The altar also was torn down, and the ashes poured out 00:30:23.82\00:30:28.46 from the altar, according to the sign that the man of God 00:30:28.49\00:30:31.99 had given by the word of the Lord." 00:30:32.03\00:30:34.66 Ouch. 00:30:35.00\00:30:36.33 A withered hand. 00:30:36.70\00:30:38.33 Instant judgment on Jeroboam for daring to strike 00:30:38.67\00:30:42.90 the man of God. 00:30:42.94\00:30:44.34 Now Jeroboam had the presence of mind to repent 00:30:45.04\00:30:48.08 and to ask the man of God to pray for him, 00:30:48.11\00:30:50.95 that his hand would be restored. 00:30:50.98\00:30:52.88 And so Jeroboam was given a second chance. 00:30:53.48\00:30:57.09 His hand was restored. 00:30:57.35\00:30:58.89 But tragically, he really didn't learn his lesson, 00:30:59.42\00:31:01.99 and he did lead Israel into idolatry. 00:31:02.02\00:31:06.03 Which ultimately is why the ten tribes are no more. 00:31:06.06\00:31:10.47 We can trace the destruction of the ten tribes of Israel 00:31:11.23\00:31:14.44 directly to Jeroboam's idolatry. 00:31:14.64\00:31:17.61 Had Jeroboam truly headed the message of the man of God, 00:31:18.21\00:31:21.18 he would have refrained from idolatry, 00:31:21.21\00:31:23.55 and history would have been dramatically different. 00:31:23.58\00:31:26.21 Jeroboam crossed a line. 00:31:26.95\00:31:29.32 He crossed the line by stretching his hand out 00:31:29.98\00:31:33.25 against the prophet. 00:31:33.29\00:31:34.92 But he also crossed the line by setting up a pagan altar. 00:31:35.52\00:31:38.93 And the consequences were especially tragic 00:31:39.39\00:31:42.23 for the entire nation. 00:31:42.26\00:31:43.87 Now our final Old Testament passage involves King David 00:31:44.87\00:31:49.47 and a rare example of a ruler refusing to invoke 00:31:49.90\00:31:54.91 God's blessing to serve his own political fortunes. 00:31:54.94\00:31:59.81 Today, politicians routinely invoke God. 00:32:00.55\00:32:04.65 "God bless America," they say. 00:32:04.69\00:32:06.89 When what they really mean is, "God, help me get elected." 00:32:06.92\00:32:10.33 We pick up the story in 2 Samuel chapter 16. 00:32:11.46\00:32:15.26 David is fleeing Jerusalem on account of rebellion 00:32:15.86\00:32:19.03 by his own son, Absalom. 00:32:19.07\00:32:21.47 "The king went out, and all his household after him. 00:32:23.27\00:32:27.64 I'm skipping down to verse 23. 00:32:28.54\00:32:30.85 "And all the land wept aloud as all the people passed by, 00:32:31.85\00:32:35.78 and the king crossed the brook Kidron, 00:32:36.28\00:32:38.99 and all the people passed on toward the wilderness. 00:32:39.02\00:32:42.39 And Abiathar came up, and behold, Zadok came also 00:32:42.99\00:32:46.83 with all the Levites, bearing the ark of the covenant of God. 00:32:46.86\00:32:50.60 And they set down the ark of God until the people 00:32:51.13\00:32:53.90 had all passed out of the city. 00:32:54.10\00:32:56.47 And then the king said to Zadok, 00:32:56.94\00:32:59.31 'Carry the ark of God back into the city. 00:32:59.94\00:33:04.41 If I find favor in the eyes of the Lord, 00:33:04.78\00:33:07.28 He will bring me back and let me see both it,'" 00:33:07.32\00:33:10.15 that is the ark, "and his dwelling place. 00:33:10.35\00:33:13.25 But if He says," if God says, "'I have no pleasure in you,' 00:33:13.62\00:33:17.86 behold, here I am, let Him do to me what seems good to Him." 00:33:18.23\00:33:23.23 The ark of God was a powerful symbol in ancient Israel. 00:33:23.97\00:33:28.20 David might have consented to having Abiathar and Zadok 00:33:28.64\00:33:32.37 and the other priests continue in his camp, 00:33:32.41\00:33:35.34 keeping the ark close as a sign of God's blessing upon them 00:33:35.38\00:33:39.65 to encourage his supporters and to expect God to 00:33:39.68\00:33:46.09 have David prevail in his struggle against Absalom. 00:33:46.62\00:33:50.33 But David knew it was not right to use the ark, 00:33:51.49\00:33:54.50 a powerful religious symbol, to advance his own personal 00:33:54.80\00:34:00.00 political fortunes. 00:34:00.04\00:34:01.94 If God wanted to restore the kingdom to him, so be it. 00:34:02.50\00:34:06.14 But if not, David knew that having the ark 00:34:06.78\00:34:09.11 present with him would not change God's mind. 00:34:09.14\00:34:13.08 David would pray for God's blessing, but he would not 00:34:13.62\00:34:16.82 seek to manipulate God to his own end. 00:34:16.92\00:34:21.19 And this is a lesson that I wish many other leaders had learned. 00:34:21.59\00:34:25.99 I wish our American politicians would learn 00:34:26.03\00:34:29.73 not to try to manipulate God for political purposes. 00:34:29.76\00:34:34.04 Well let's take a look now at how Jesus related to the state. 00:34:35.87\00:34:40.44 Jesus acted as a good citizen all His life. 00:34:41.38\00:34:44.61 He avoided encounters with Roman authorities 00:34:44.95\00:34:47.52 until He was slandered and betrayed 00:34:47.82\00:34:50.32 to the authorities at the end of His life. 00:34:50.59\00:34:52.82 When Jesus appeared before Pilate, Jesus demonstrated 00:34:53.46\00:34:56.73 His understanding of the distinct roles of Caesar 00:34:56.76\00:35:00.90 and God. 00:35:00.93\00:35:02.26 Pilate asked Jesus whether He claimed to be King of the Jews, 00:35:02.63\00:35:06.63 as He'd been accused of doing. 00:35:06.67\00:35:08.84 Jesus assured Pilate that He had no designs 00:35:09.70\00:35:13.81 on Caesar's realm. 00:35:13.84\00:35:15.54 He told him that His kingdom is not of this world. 00:35:15.91\00:35:21.28 And for this reason His followers didn't 00:35:21.95\00:35:25.12 wield the sword. 00:35:25.15\00:35:26.59 John 18:36. 00:35:26.62\00:35:28.72 Now Pilate knew that he had no basis to assert 00:35:29.26\00:35:32.69 jurisdiction over Jesus. 00:35:32.73\00:35:34.53 Jesus' dispute with the Jews was a matter of religion. 00:35:34.93\00:35:38.73 The Romans weren't interested in exercising 00:35:38.77\00:35:42.07 jurisdiction over religious disputes. 00:35:42.84\00:35:45.44 But even so, Pilate had Jesus flogged 00:35:46.81\00:35:50.25 and questioned Him further because of his concern 00:35:50.28\00:35:53.82 about the crowd's sentiment and the threat that it posed 00:35:53.85\00:35:57.89 to his own position. 00:35:57.92\00:35:59.39 And so at this point Jesus shut up. 00:36:00.12\00:36:02.46 He refused to answer anymore questions. 00:36:02.49\00:36:04.79 Having established Jesus' innocence, 00:36:05.56\00:36:07.86 Pilate had no business toying with Him 00:36:07.90\00:36:10.33 merely to placate a hostile crowd. 00:36:11.33\00:36:14.40 Pilate stepped beyond any legitimate inquiry 00:36:14.90\00:36:18.17 as a state official. 00:36:18.21\00:36:19.54 And undoubtedly, he knew it. 00:36:19.57\00:36:21.71 Yet he was offended by Jesus' silence, 00:36:22.14\00:36:25.31 and resorted to arbitrary threats. 00:36:25.35\00:36:28.28 "Are You not speaking to me? 00:36:28.65\00:36:30.22 Do you not know I have power to crucify You 00:36:30.25\00:36:32.79 and power to release You," Pilate said to Jesus. 00:36:32.82\00:36:36.09 Christ's memorable response is the correct response, 00:36:37.29\00:36:41.80 the correct Christian response, to all states 00:36:41.83\00:36:45.67 and all rulers that overstep their powers 00:36:45.70\00:36:48.84 and invade the prerogatives of God. 00:36:48.87\00:36:51.51 Jesus said, "You could have no power at all against Me 00:36:51.54\00:36:56.68 unless it had been given you from above." 00:36:57.25\00:37:01.28 Jesus reminded Pilate that his power was not his own 00:37:02.48\00:37:08.19 to wield as he saw fit. 00:37:08.22\00:37:10.76 Pilate had been given power from above. 00:37:11.49\00:37:14.33 From the emperor certainly, but ultimately from God. 00:37:14.63\00:37:18.33 And Pilate was merely a steward of that power. 00:37:18.97\00:37:22.50 Pilate was obligated to exercise power with justice 00:37:22.54\00:37:26.74 and equity, not arbitrarily. 00:37:26.91\00:37:29.58 Which meant that he should release Jesus. 00:37:30.25\00:37:33.21 Now Pilate's response to Jesus demonstrates that he not only 00:37:34.05\00:37:38.09 understood, but really he agreed with Jesus. 00:37:38.12\00:37:42.82 He knew Jesus was right. 00:37:42.86\00:37:44.59 From then on, Pilate sought to release Him, the Bible says. 00:37:45.16\00:37:48.36 In the end, though, as we know, Pilate caved in 00:37:49.30\00:37:52.60 to popular demand and did not release Jesus. 00:37:52.63\00:37:56.60 And so, Pilate has become an enduring symbol of the weak 00:37:57.31\00:38:01.21 spineless authority that knows the right 00:38:01.41\00:38:05.71 but chooses the wrong for safety, expediency, 00:38:06.01\00:38:11.19 and popularity. 00:38:11.22\00:38:12.92 Ever sense that time, civil rulers have needed 00:38:13.52\00:38:17.43 the prophetic voice of the church to remind them that 00:38:17.63\00:38:21.50 they serve as stewards of power, not as masters. 00:38:21.53\00:38:27.24 Amen? 00:38:27.27\00:38:28.60 So we've seen these examples of the limited civil authority 00:38:29.57\00:38:36.75 of rulers; that they do not properly exercise 00:38:36.78\00:38:41.12 religious authority. 00:38:41.15\00:38:43.05 But what about the spiritual authority of the church? 00:38:43.28\00:38:47.96 Just as God has given civil authority to civil rulers, 00:38:47.99\00:38:53.53 so God has also given abundant spiritual authority 00:38:53.73\00:38:59.00 to the church. 00:38:59.03\00:39:00.40 And just a few verses will suffice to give us 00:39:00.44\00:39:04.51 an expansive view of this spiritual authority. 00:39:04.54\00:39:08.21 For example, Matthew 21:22, Jesus says, "Whatever you ask 00:39:08.24\00:39:15.25 in prayer, you will receive if you have faith." 00:39:15.28\00:39:21.52 Wow. 00:39:22.12\00:39:23.46 Whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive? 00:39:23.56\00:39:28.16 That's astounding, isn't it? 00:39:28.53\00:39:31.30 That's a lot of authority. 00:39:31.40\00:39:33.27 Well in Matthew 18, Jesus says, "Whatsoever you bind on earth 00:39:34.07\00:39:40.01 shall be bound in heaven." 00:39:41.24\00:39:44.51 Whatsoever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven? 00:39:45.28\00:39:48.68 Now Protestants take a different view of that verse 00:39:48.72\00:39:52.25 than Roman Catholics do. 00:39:52.29\00:39:54.09 Catholics, of course, look at this in, I think, 00:39:54.29\00:39:59.23 an over-expansive view of church authority. 00:39:59.26\00:40:02.60 Because they assert the right to do things like change 00:40:02.63\00:40:07.37 the day of worship from Sabbath to Sunday. 00:40:07.40\00:40:10.47 To rearrange the commandments, for example. 00:40:11.04\00:40:14.54 But as Protestants, we do understand that there is 00:40:14.58\00:40:19.45 abundant authority given to the church to govern itself. 00:40:19.48\00:40:24.05 Now in this church, for example, I suspect that in your 00:40:24.39\00:40:28.56 morning worship service, you have some or all of 00:40:28.59\00:40:31.56 the following elements: you have some announcements, 00:40:31.59\00:40:34.66 you have opening prayer, you have maybe a children's story, 00:40:34.70\00:40:38.77 an offering, special music, you sing some hymns, 00:40:38.80\00:40:42.60 you have a sermon. 00:40:42.64\00:40:43.97 Well the Bible does not lay out what a worship service 00:40:44.01\00:40:50.31 should look like after the period of the temple, does it. 00:40:50.35\00:40:54.78 Of course, there's evidence in the Bible for things like 00:40:55.15\00:40:58.69 prayer, for giving offerings, for teaching the Word of God, 00:40:58.72\00:41:03.59 for, you know, having a Sabbath school, 00:41:03.63\00:41:05.83 having a Bible class. 00:41:05.86\00:41:07.30 Sure, these are all wonderful things. 00:41:07.33\00:41:09.10 But the church has authority to organize itself. 00:41:09.13\00:41:13.74 The Bible doesn't say whether the church should be 00:41:14.04\00:41:16.17 hierarchical or whether it should be congregational, 00:41:16.20\00:41:19.17 what our politics should be. 00:41:19.21\00:41:21.34 Well, we get together and we figure that out. 00:41:21.38\00:41:24.35 And we pray that God would lead us. 00:41:24.38\00:41:26.68 "Whatsoever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven. 00:41:26.72\00:41:29.92 God has given us authority to figure things out; 00:41:30.12\00:41:33.82 how we're going to carry out the great commission, 00:41:33.86\00:41:36.22 how we're going to serve God, how we're going to bind together 00:41:36.26\00:41:39.89 as God's people. 00:41:39.93\00:41:42.00 How about this one, Matthew 28, the great commission. 00:41:42.30\00:41:46.67 Jesus asserted that all authority in heaven 00:41:46.70\00:41:51.34 and earth belong to Him. 00:41:51.37\00:41:53.84 And on that basis, commanded His followers to make disciples, 00:41:54.14\00:41:57.71 to baptize, and to teach. 00:41:57.91\00:42:00.05 All authority. 00:42:00.25\00:42:01.98 And He's given us that authority to teach, 00:42:02.42\00:42:05.92 to make disciples, to baptize. 00:42:05.95\00:42:08.42 Wow. 00:42:08.46\00:42:09.79 That's a lot of spiritual authority, isn't it. 00:42:10.26\00:42:14.56 One of my favorite passages that I think really 00:42:18.87\00:42:23.30 helps us see the distinction between civil and religious 00:42:23.54\00:42:27.78 authority is found in the book of Acts, chapter 1. 00:42:27.81\00:42:32.65 These are the final words of Jesus before He ascends 00:42:32.98\00:42:39.42 to heaven. 00:42:39.62\00:42:40.96 The disciples have been with Him now for, what, 40 days 00:42:43.43\00:42:47.70 after His crucifixion, after His resurrection I should say. 00:42:47.73\00:42:52.80 And they still don't get what kind of a Messiah 00:42:53.27\00:42:59.67 Jesus really is. 00:42:59.77\00:43:01.71 They're still mired in their Jewish ideas about 00:43:02.71\00:43:07.45 re-establishing the kingdom, and they're still coveting 00:43:07.72\00:43:11.62 political power. 00:43:11.65\00:43:12.99 Notice the question that they ask. 00:43:13.02\00:43:15.72 "Jesus, Lord, is it at this time that You will restore 00:43:15.76\00:43:20.30 the kingdom to Israel?" 00:43:20.33\00:43:21.86 That reveals, that says volumes about what's in their hearts, 00:43:23.97\00:43:27.74 what they're really hoping for. 00:43:27.77\00:43:29.20 They still want to sit at the right hand and the 00:43:29.24\00:43:31.77 left hand of the throne. 00:43:31.81\00:43:33.41 They still want to see Israel restored and the empire 00:43:33.44\00:43:37.31 ruling, dominating, the world. 00:43:37.41\00:43:39.58 They want to see Jesus as, you know, the Son of David 00:43:39.61\00:43:45.12 ruling all nations with a rod of iron. 00:43:45.15\00:43:47.96 That's the kind of Messiah that they want. 00:43:47.99\00:43:50.63 Now notice what Jesus says to them. 00:43:52.53\00:43:55.86 He'd already told them to wait for the promise of the Father, 00:43:55.90\00:44:00.34 referring to the Holy Spirit. 00:44:00.37\00:44:02.30 But now He reminds them. 00:44:02.67\00:44:05.27 "It's not for you to know the times or the seasons 00:44:05.94\00:44:10.95 which the Father has fixed by His own authority. 00:44:10.98\00:44:15.18 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. 00:44:15.72\00:44:21.19 And you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, 00:44:21.86\00:44:27.50 and Samaria, and even to the ends of the earth." 00:44:27.53\00:44:31.97 The disciples were wanting the exousia. 00:44:34.64\00:44:38.87 There are two Greek words for, "power," here; 00:44:39.77\00:44:42.21 exousia and dunamis. 00:44:42.24\00:44:44.21 "It's not for you to know the times or seasons 00:44:44.25\00:44:47.32 which the Father has fixed by His own exousia." 00:44:47.35\00:44:50.59 His own authority. 00:44:50.62\00:44:51.99 The civil authority. 00:44:52.02\00:44:53.36 God setting up His kingdom and ruling. 00:44:53.46\00:44:56.46 That was in the Father's hands. 00:44:56.66\00:44:58.59 That was not to be given to the disciples; 00:44:58.63\00:45:02.80 ruling in God's name. 00:45:02.83\00:45:04.60 Which is, after all, the core concept 00:45:04.63\00:45:08.74 of America in covenant relationship with God. 00:45:09.00\00:45:12.47 The core concept is, we want to rule in God's name. 00:45:12.51\00:45:18.45 And Jesus said, "That is not to be. 00:45:19.88\00:45:22.45 The Father keeps the exousia. 00:45:22.48\00:45:25.45 He keeps the authority. 00:45:25.49\00:45:27.06 He will set up His kingdom in His own time. 00:45:27.09\00:45:30.59 But you, you've got something else. 00:45:30.63\00:45:34.66 You've got dunamis." 00:45:35.43\00:45:37.77 The Greek word that we get, what? 00:45:38.57\00:45:40.74 Dynamite. 00:45:40.77\00:45:42.10 Dynamo, dynamic. Right? 00:45:42.14\00:45:44.21 "You've got the dynamite power of the Holy Spirit. 00:45:44.31\00:45:48.14 And with that, you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, 00:45:48.18\00:45:51.38 in all Judea and Samaria, the ends of the earth." 00:45:51.41\00:45:55.08 And in a generation, the disciples of Jesus took 00:45:55.68\00:45:59.49 the gospel around the earth and changed the course 00:45:59.52\00:46:03.02 of human history with the dunamis power 00:46:03.06\00:46:06.80 of the Holy Spirit. 00:46:06.83\00:46:08.16 And I ask you, do we really need the power of the state, 00:46:08.20\00:46:13.34 the exousia, the authority of the state, 00:46:13.37\00:46:16.37 or is the power of God enough? 00:46:16.64\00:46:20.51 Now in the book of Revelation, there is a warning. 00:46:22.44\00:46:26.68 There's a warning about what happens when the church 00:46:27.35\00:46:31.69 has lost the power of God. 00:46:31.72\00:46:36.19 She's lost the power of the Holy Spirit 00:46:36.62\00:46:39.19 to where she seeks in the power of the state, 00:46:39.23\00:46:43.87 in state authority, a substitute for the Holy Spirit. 00:46:43.90\00:46:49.54 The warning is found in chapter 14, and it's repeated 00:46:50.31\00:46:54.01 again in chapter 18. 00:46:54.04\00:46:55.88 There are messages of three angels, aren't there. 00:46:56.78\00:46:59.78 And the second angel's message, in symbolic language, 00:47:00.72\00:47:05.65 very simply says, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, 00:47:05.69\00:47:10.33 that great city, because she made all nations 00:47:10.36\00:47:13.66 drink the wine of the wrath of her fornication." 00:47:13.70\00:47:18.63 Let's unpack that. It's really quite simple. 00:47:20.24\00:47:22.84 It sounds very complicated. 00:47:22.87\00:47:24.37 It sounds, you know, impenetrable even. 00:47:24.41\00:47:27.18 But it's really quite simple. 00:47:27.48\00:47:29.21 Babylon, as a symbolic name in Scripture... 00:47:29.91\00:47:33.28 And I don't have time to explore and explain 00:47:33.31\00:47:37.19 where we get this from. 00:47:37.22\00:47:38.55 But Babylon symbolically represents 00:47:38.59\00:47:41.39 corrupt religious authority, corrupt religious powers. 00:47:42.02\00:47:47.63 Of course, it derives from the tower of Babel. 00:47:48.30\00:47:51.23 It means, confusion. 00:47:51.27\00:47:52.77 And the book of Daniel opens with the tale of two cities; 00:47:52.80\00:47:58.44 the contest between Babylon, the city of confusion, 00:47:58.47\00:48:01.88 and Jerusalem, the city of peace. 00:48:01.91\00:48:04.25 Light and dark, good and evil. 00:48:04.28\00:48:06.28 The great controversy between Christ and Satan. 00:48:06.31\00:48:09.52 Babylon, the symbol of corrupt religion. 00:48:09.55\00:48:13.56 "Babylon has fallen, has fallen." 00:48:13.76\00:48:16.52 Why? How? 00:48:16.73\00:48:18.59 Because she made all nations do something. 00:48:18.96\00:48:21.60 So we start to see a collusion between church and state. 00:48:21.63\00:48:28.14 Babylon is no longer, the church is no longer 00:48:28.70\00:48:31.67 operating under the unction and power and inspiration 00:48:31.71\00:48:35.18 of the Holy Spirit. 00:48:35.21\00:48:36.54 She's in bed with the state. 00:48:36.58\00:48:39.95 Well that's what it says. 00:48:39.98\00:48:41.42 She commits fornication. 00:48:41.72\00:48:43.62 She's in an immoral, intimate relationship 00:48:43.95\00:48:48.76 with the political powers. 00:48:49.02\00:48:51.46 Church and state are in bed together. 00:48:51.69\00:48:54.23 Babylon is fallen because she makes all nations 00:48:54.33\00:48:56.80 drink the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 00:48:56.83\00:49:00.30 Well, wine in Scripture, Jesus said you don't put 00:49:00.97\00:49:04.07 old wine into new wineskins. 00:49:04.17\00:49:06.94 Wine is a symbol of the teachings of the church, 00:49:08.51\00:49:11.88 the doctrines of the church. 00:49:11.91\00:49:13.98 Well, whether those doctrines are true or false, 00:49:14.22\00:49:17.65 in the context of this warning, these doctrines are being 00:49:17.85\00:49:22.59 shoved down everybody's throat through the power of the state. 00:49:22.62\00:49:26.36 And that's where the wrath comes in. 00:49:26.39\00:49:29.03 The wrath of this relationship between church and state 00:49:29.06\00:49:32.50 is the power of the state to impose, to enforce, 00:49:32.53\00:49:36.74 the doctrines and the teachings and the observances 00:49:36.77\00:49:39.64 of the church. 00:49:39.67\00:49:41.14 We've already seen that it is not for civil authority 00:49:44.05\00:49:48.95 to be crossing that line and meddling with 00:49:49.15\00:49:52.22 religious observances, is it. 00:49:52.42\00:49:54.69 We certainly don't want our politicians telling us 00:49:55.26\00:49:58.56 which doctrines to believe and which ones are out of line. 00:49:58.76\00:50:03.80 We see that throughout many nations in this world. 00:50:03.83\00:50:07.80 You have religious freedom in many nations: 00:50:08.20\00:50:11.37 you're free to believe what the majority believes. 00:50:11.41\00:50:14.44 But if you believe something different, you are oppressed. 00:50:14.78\00:50:18.65 You're not free to believe. 00:50:18.68\00:50:20.32 There are blasphemy laws. 00:50:20.35\00:50:22.08 There are innocents languishing in prison. 00:50:22.12\00:50:25.15 And if they weren't in prison charged with blasphemy, 00:50:25.19\00:50:28.49 if they were released, they would be assassinated. 00:50:28.52\00:50:31.09 They would be killed. 00:50:31.13\00:50:32.46 There have been leading politicians in Pakistan 00:50:32.79\00:50:35.63 assassinated for opposing blasphemy laws. 00:50:35.66\00:50:38.77 And their murderers were never brought to justice. 00:50:38.80\00:50:42.97 It is not for the state to say that, "This is true religion." 00:50:44.04\00:50:49.11 And if you don't go along with this religion, 00:50:49.54\00:50:52.08 you are to be punished or even put to death. 00:50:52.11\00:50:55.15 But what we see in the book of Revelation 00:50:56.12\00:51:00.12 is a warning that in the last days these bright lines, 00:51:00.16\00:51:05.46 these distinctions between civil and religious authority, 00:51:05.49\00:51:09.26 they will be blurred. 00:51:09.30\00:51:11.57 Church and state in bed together. 00:51:12.07\00:51:15.34 And with it, the loss of freedom. 00:51:15.74\00:51:18.47 So to those who imagine that somehow a return 00:51:19.91\00:51:25.88 to a more biblically faithful era where the state 00:51:25.91\00:51:31.49 is in service to the church, that this would be a good thing 00:51:31.69\00:51:35.22 for America and would bring the blessing of God, 00:51:35.26\00:51:38.19 the irony is, the opposite is true. 00:51:38.69\00:51:42.16 When church and state, when the church, 00:51:43.16\00:51:45.83 having lost the power of the Holy Spirit, 00:51:46.03\00:51:49.54 hops in bed with the state, that's when God will 00:51:49.74\00:51:52.94 execute judgment. 00:51:52.97\00:51:54.61 That's the warning that we must faithfully give. 00:51:54.71\00:51:58.91 All those who read and understand the book of 00:51:58.95\00:52:03.95 Revelation are to proclaim this warning. 00:52:03.99\00:52:07.12 The judgment doesn't come except that the warning is first given. 00:52:07.42\00:52:12.19 Right? That's what we learn from Jonah. 00:52:12.23\00:52:14.80 Jonah... You remember Jonah. 00:52:15.83\00:52:19.27 Jonah delighted when God told him that Nineveh 00:52:19.87\00:52:25.77 was finished and He would execute judgment. 00:52:25.81\00:52:28.88 Forty days; judgment on Nineveh. 00:52:28.91\00:52:31.28 They were the enemies of God's people. 00:52:31.31\00:52:33.62 But Jonah was worried that if he went and gave this warning, 00:52:36.02\00:52:40.22 that they might repent and not be judged 00:52:40.49\00:52:43.29 and not be destroyed. 00:52:43.32\00:52:44.79 And that's why he wound up on that ship, 00:52:44.83\00:52:47.26 and ultimately would up in a storm, and in the sea, 00:52:47.30\00:52:51.33 and in the belly of the big fish, 00:52:51.37\00:52:53.37 and coughed up on dry land, before he came to his senses 00:52:53.40\00:52:56.84 and said, "Okay God, I guess I better go to Nineveh 00:52:56.87\00:52:59.91 and do what you told me to do." 00:52:59.94\00:53:01.58 And sure enough, Jonah knew God only too well, 00:53:03.28\00:53:07.75 and his worst fears were realized. 00:53:08.12\00:53:11.49 When he gave the warning, Nineveh repented. 00:53:11.52\00:53:14.82 And they were spared. 00:53:15.22\00:53:16.56 And Jonah was so depressed, wasn't he. 00:53:16.59\00:53:20.16 He just hated that. 00:53:21.13\00:53:23.13 The judgment will not come except the warning is given. 00:53:24.00\00:53:30.64 Now I believe that God has given to the church 00:53:31.64\00:53:37.51 ample power and authority to accomplish the work of God. 00:53:37.61\00:53:44.32 The promises are there in Scripture, aren't they. 00:53:44.72\00:53:47.66 God has given the church ample power 00:53:48.46\00:53:51.86 in the power of the Holy Spirit. 00:53:51.89\00:53:54.00 We do not need to rely on the power of the state. 00:53:54.23\00:53:58.83 But, you know, there's something else here. 00:53:59.37\00:54:02.00 It's easy to look at the moral and spiritual degradation 00:54:02.97\00:54:08.98 of society, and it's easy to lay blame and to point fingers. 00:54:09.01\00:54:14.22 But, you know, Hollywood, as immoral as it may be, 00:54:14.72\00:54:18.69 or the Madison Avenue, the advertising that they 00:54:18.72\00:54:21.82 dish out, as immoral as it may be, these institutions 00:54:21.86\00:54:26.76 are not responsible for the moral and spiritual 00:54:26.80\00:54:30.90 health of society. 00:54:30.93\00:54:32.40 And, you know, they may be irresponsible, but they're not 00:54:32.43\00:54:37.31 fundamentally charged with the responsibility 00:54:37.34\00:54:41.98 to preserve the moral and spiritual health of society. 00:54:42.01\00:54:45.65 But there is an institution that God has ordained 00:54:45.68\00:54:51.39 to bless and to maintain the spiritual health and well being 00:54:52.09\00:54:57.26 of society, right? 00:54:57.29\00:54:59.09 Isn't that the church? 00:54:59.29\00:55:01.13 So instead of pointing fingers at the public schools, 00:55:01.60\00:55:05.57 the teachers, the politicians, the Hollywood producers, 00:55:05.60\00:55:10.41 and looking at all these other places and saying, 00:55:10.44\00:55:13.41 "Oh, the immorality. Look what they're doing. 00:55:13.44\00:55:16.18 Look how our nation is going to you know where 00:55:16.21\00:55:19.78 in a hand basket." 00:55:19.81\00:55:21.28 It's not their job to build up the moral and spiritual 00:55:22.18\00:55:26.92 life of the nation. 00:55:26.96\00:55:28.32 And if there is a problem, and I dare say we would all agree 00:55:28.36\00:55:33.33 that there is great need for improvement 00:55:33.36\00:55:36.83 in the moral and spiritual health of the nation, 00:55:36.87\00:55:39.37 well folks, we can look no further than the doors 00:55:39.40\00:55:44.07 of the American church. 00:55:44.11\00:55:46.37 Because God has ordained the church to be the 00:55:46.88\00:55:50.31 influence in society that builds up the moral and spiritual 00:55:50.35\00:55:55.38 health of the nation. 00:55:55.42\00:55:57.15 So repentance begins at the house of God. 00:55:57.95\00:56:02.56 We don't need the power of the state. 00:56:02.86\00:56:05.39 We need the power of God. 00:56:06.39\00:56:08.56 America is at its most Christian when we uphold these 00:56:09.66\00:56:16.60 bright line distinctions between civil and religious authority, 00:56:16.64\00:56:21.21 when we uphold the separation of church and state; 00:56:21.24\00:56:27.08 which is fundamental to the preservation 00:56:27.12\00:56:31.15 of religious freedom. 00:56:31.19\00:56:32.75 You know, we saw the terror attacks in France this week. 00:56:33.32\00:56:38.76 What a tragedy that was played out finally today 00:56:39.13\00:56:42.26 with the death of the terrorists. 00:56:42.30\00:56:47.94 A reminder of what a free society is; that we have 00:56:49.67\00:56:53.71 free speech, we have religious freedom. 00:56:53.74\00:56:56.44 Because the government is there to protect everyone's right 00:56:56.71\00:57:01.48 to our own beliefs, and to speak them 00:57:01.85\00:57:04.55 whether we offend somebody or not. 00:57:04.59\00:57:06.89 We all have those rights. 00:57:07.02\00:57:08.99 And we have a prophetic duty as a church to build up society 00:57:09.12\00:57:14.00 and to warn against looking for false answers, 00:57:14.03\00:57:18.60 false solutions, to moral and spiritual decline 00:57:18.63\00:57:22.17 by looking somehow to the state and our politicians 00:57:22.37\00:57:26.61 to do what God has called the church to do. 00:57:26.64\00:57:30.81