Welcome to Anchors Of Truth
live from Sacramento California.
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Doctrines That
Divide with Doug Batchelor.
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Well listen, we're so
glad that you can join us live.
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And we are in
Sacramento, California.
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Anchors Of Truth is
back on the road again.
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We have come to you from
Steve Bohr's congregation
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there in Fresno California,
from John Carter's congregation
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in Los Angeles
California, and now we are at
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Sacramento Central Church, the
home of Pastor Doug Batchelor.
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And he is going to be
presenting a series that we have
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asked him to do,
Truths That Divide.
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And you know something?
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There are truths that we
are divided on as Christians.
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There are certain Christians
that believe one thing,
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other Christians
that believe another.
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And by the way, even
in the same denomination
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often there is division
on some of these subjects.
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And so these are
really doctrinal hot potatoes
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that Pastor Doug Batchelor
is going to be taking out,
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looking at them
in a very unique way
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for the next five presentations.
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And I am so happy that we
can be here with Pastor Doug
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in Sacramento.
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Pastor Doug, would you come out?
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I have been looking forward to
seeing you and having our people
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here see you.
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This is black and white.
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Hello, Pastor
Gilley. Good to see you.
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This is a unique outfit.
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And do you want to
give us any explanation
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or just let us kind of decide if
we can figure it our ourselves?
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What's wrong with my outfit?
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Well it looks like
it's sort of divided.
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And you even have...
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I'll give a little
explanation in a little bit.
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Okay, alright.
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Keep people, don't want
them changing the channel yet.
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No, that's right.
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But this is unique.
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I will say this, I
have never seen anyone...
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I have seen preachers
show up with a brown shoe
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and a black shoe before,
which you've done tonight.
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But I have never seen
one show up in a half black
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half white suit.
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It might start a new
trend, you never know.
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You never can tell.
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People have
started trends like that.
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Should we let them
know tonight we're launching
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a new denomination?
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No, I don't think so.
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Listen, you know that
3ABN and Amazing Facts have
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a long history together.
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And just a minute ago, I
was talking to Danny Shelton,
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and you probably already
know this, but the first really
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good cameras that 3ABN had were
given to us by Amazing Facts.
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They were in Canada and
Joe Crews, for some reason
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things had kind of shifted
in Canada, and so Joe Crews
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had called Danny Shelton and
said, "We have these cameras,
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and I'll tell you what we'll do.
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We'll give you these cameras
if you will put Amazing Facts
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on for a year."
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And Amazing Facts has
been on ever since on 3ABN.
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The rest of the story
you may not know, Jim...
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I probably don't.
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The first cameras we got
here at Sacramento Central
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came from 3ABN.
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Is that right?
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It's true.
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You know, what
comes around goes around.
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These two ministries have just
worked together hand and glove.
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Our philosophies
are very much the same.
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We reach out by faith to do
things that only God can do.
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By the way, I have really
discovered in the last few years
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the difference
between faith and presumption.
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And I really believe
that presumption is when we
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attempt something that
will glorify ourselves,
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and faith is when we
launch out for God something
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that will glorify God.
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And those things never fail
because God is always with us.
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Presumption, most
generally, will fail.
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But not faith.
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Well Doug, it's
good to be with you.
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We're looking forward
to this series tonight.
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Tonight is, justice
and mercy and salvation.
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And so that is an
extremely important subject.
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Amen, we'll be
talking about the relationship
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between the law and grace.
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And it is a doctrine
that sometimes divides.
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It does.
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As I was mentioning
just before you came out,
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even within denominations.
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Not necessarily one
denomination and another,
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but a lot of people,
even within families,
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people are sometimes divided
on this very important subject.
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Well listen, I'd like to
have a little word of prayer
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just before you
present this extremely
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important subject tonight.
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And would you call your friends
and tell them to tune in,
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that pastor Doug is
coming live right now.
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This is not a taped
performance at this time
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at 7:05 on this Wednesday night,
which is the 19th of October.
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It is coming to you live.
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Call your friend and invite
that friend, and even others,
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to join you in listening on
radio, watching on television,
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this most important truth.
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Shall we pray together.
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Father in heaven,
we're so thankful tonight for
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the Word of God.
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We're thankful that You
have not left us without
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a truth that can be defined.
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And Father, we pray that
You'll help us to lay aside
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all preconceived ideas, that
You'll help us to simply look
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at what does the Bible say.
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And then to be
willing to follow.
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And we thank You,
Lord. In Jesus' name, amen.
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- God bless you.
- Thank you, Jim.
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Well good evening, friends.
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We have been praying for and
planning for this presentation
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for some time now.
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And I'd like to just add my
welcome to the 3ABN viewers.
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It's very exciting to
continue working in partnership
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with this
ministry over the years.
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And we're really praying
that God will continue to
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pour out His Spirit.
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Now this program,
we're not going to have
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your typical offering appeal.
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All we're going to do is
say right now that both 3ABN and
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Amazing Facts are
faith based ministries.
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If you've been blessed by these
ministries and you'd like to
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give a donation to either
or both, then the websites are
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going to be up
there on the screen.
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We appreciate your going
to Amazing Facts.com or org,
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3abn.org, and
showing your support.
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And after tonight's program,
if you're wanting a refund
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for a past donation,
then you're going to have to
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call the Federal Reserve.
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But there is a
purpose for what I'm wearing.
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And you can probably tell
from the title of this series,
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Doctrines That Divide, it
has something to do with that.
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And it is actually utilitarian.
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This is more of a uniform
that will help you understand.
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Because this is
a TV presentation
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and it's a visual medium.
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And we're going to be
going from side to side
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here on the platform.
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And I'll get to
that in just a moment.
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You know, there are about
34,000 different Christian
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denominations in the world.
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I didn't say 34,000 religions.
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34,000 different
Christian denominations.
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Most of them sprang up since the
reformation about 500 years ago.
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And they continue
to split and divide
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over, typically, doctrines.
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Doctrine is a
very divisive thing.
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This week, if you're
from the Sacramento area,
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you know that a sister church
right around the corner from us,
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lovely people, were in the front
pages of the religious section
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over a major division
regarding the doctrine of
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gay marriage, in particular.
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I was on the phone with
the pastor there today and
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praying for him, because
it's just a terrible struggle
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to go through, a
church splitting.
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And I wish I could say
that our church was immune
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to these things.
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Now there's one philosophy
that sometimes we approach
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these things, we say,
"Look, we're Christians.
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Let's not disagree and let's
avoid talking about doctrine."
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But that's not
really the answer.
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And I don't think that's the
answer that Jesus wants either.
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The key is for us to
find out what is truth.
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Now I could have a lot
of programs and talk about
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all the different things that
these 34,000 churches agree on.
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But you know, that
may not be very fruitful.
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Because when Jesus comes
back, He is coming back for
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a united people.
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The Bible tells us,
in the very near future
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there's going to be a polarizing
between Christian groups,
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professedly Christian groups.
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One is going to have
the mark of the beast
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and the other is going
to have the seal of God.
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And you know what's
going to divide them...
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...is doctrine.
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And so we need to understand
what the Bible really says.
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Jesus said, "I've not come
to send peace, but a sword."
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And I don't want to
cause any more problems
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than the church already has.
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But I think we need to honestly
look at these very important
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divisive doctrines today
because we need to know where we
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stand when Jesus comes back.
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And that's the reason
we're having this unique series.
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Now let me
explain what we're doing.
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I'm a Seventh-day
Adventist Christian.
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I have not always been a
Seventh-day Adventist Christian.
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I'd like to believe I
first came to Christ...
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And I was a Christian.
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I was sincere and I was genuine.
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But I did not understand or
believe or accept at that time
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the doctrines that the
Seventh-day Adventists believe.
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Then over the course of
two or three years in studying
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and being exposed to a broad
spectrum of different beliefs,
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I settled down over
33 years ago and became
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a Seventh-day Adventist.
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And as time has gone by,
I'm more convinced than ever
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that these teachings are
the closest teachings to the
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teachings of Jesus in the Bible.
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And frankly, it grieves me that
so many dear Christian people
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are confused about what some
of these pivotal truths are.
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Now I also want to say
right at the beginning;
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I believe that there are
millions of loving, sincere,
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spirit filled Christians
in a broad spectrum of
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different denominations.
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But what we're going to be
focusing on during this series
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is, I'm going to take some of
the primary differences between
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Seventh-day Adventist Christians
and when I stand over here,
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I'm going to
represent Pastor Doug.
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That will be this side.
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Though I won't always
be showing you this side.
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And please don't read
anything special into the
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black and white suit.
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If you want to know the
truth, they were on sale
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at Penney's or Sears, I forget.
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It was a great deal.
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And we just needed two of the
same brand that were different.
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And this is what
she came back with.
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And then we took it
to a Christian tailor.
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One of the members did a
magnificent job, I think.
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It might start a new
trend, you never know.
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But this is a visual thing.
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So when I'm over
here, I'm Pastor Doug.
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I'm a Seventh-day Adventist.
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When I come over here,
I'm going to be a person
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we'll call, Pastor Barney.
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Now I just, you know,
I was thinking of maybe
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Pastor Jim or Pastor Bob.
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And I thought, you
know, that's probably going to
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resemble too much of the living.
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And so I thought I'd
just pick Pastor Barney.
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And probably there's
another Pastor Barney around the
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corner I didn't know about.
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And I don't want to
offend anybody, but let's just
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call him Pastor Barney.
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He represents a conglomerate
of mainline evangelical beliefs
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that are non-Adventist.
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And some of them
don't agree with each other,
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and I know that.
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And when I stand here,
I'm going to be representing
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a mediator.
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So I'll be a referee.
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And when you see me do
this, it's a fashion statement.
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I just realized, when I
do that it actually matches
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right up the back, doesn't it.
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And so, I'll be going back
and forth, and representing
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these different positions.
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Now I think it's
interesting that this year,
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it was actually March 3rd,
USA TODAY did a special report
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where the headlines were dealing
with the fastest growing church
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in North America.
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And this is from March 2011,
the USA TODAY headlines read:
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And then one might
naturally ask, "Why?"
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Frankly, I'm disappointed
we're growing so slowly.
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I think when God pours out
His Spirit in the last days,
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we're going to see an explosion
of Pentecostal proportions
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No allusion to a
particular denomination there.
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But that power of
Pentecost will be spreading.
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But the reason I believe
the Seventh-day Adventist Church
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is growing is because people
are looking for stability.
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When they read their Bibles
for themselves, they go, "Oh."
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And they find that these
really are biblical beliefs.
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Now, when you think of
Seventh-day Adventists,
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of a broad spectrum of
doctrines you might consider,
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what doctrine pops
into your mind first?
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The Sabbath.
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Now the reason that the Sabbath
is there and that is does
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come to the front is because
Seventh-day Adventists believe
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the Ten Commandments
are still in effect.
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And as a result, you've
got one commandment that
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begins with the word "remember."
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We figure that God meant that.
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But you'd be surprised,
in the last 150 years,
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how many mainline Christian
denominations have begun to
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question if the Ten Commandments
are even still in effect.
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And so tonight, we're
going to talk principally about
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what salvation is
in relationship to the
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Ten Commandments, and
if the Ten Commandments
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are still valid, if God
expects Christians to keep the
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Ten Commandments.
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And that's going to
be our first question
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we're going to deal with.
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And maybe what we should do
is, so you see that it's fair,
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we'll flip a coin and see.
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Heads I win, tails
you lose, Pastor Barney.
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Heads, I win.
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I want to tell
you right up front.
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If you thought for a
minute that this is going to be
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a fair debate, it's not.
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I am a Seventh-day
Adventist Christian.
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Obviously, I am biased.
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This is not
even really a debate.
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I'm just coming over here...
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Matter of fact, why
don't you just say "hello" to
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Pastor Barney for a second.
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Hello, Pastor Barney.
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Good evening, my beloved.
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And so, this is
Pastor Barney over here.
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He is going to represent...
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He's not going to
get fair time tonight.
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I'm just sharing that with you.
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If anyone says, "that wasn't
fair," you're right, it wasn't.
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But I'm doing this to help
illustrate what some of the most
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common answers are.
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And I should also tell
you, in fairness, that I have
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preached in and
worshipped with Christians
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in Baptist
churches, Methodist churches,
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I taught
Methodist Sunday school,
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Church of Christ, Pentecostal,
Nazarene, Foursquare,
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and I could keep on
going, all over the country.
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So I have a pretty good
feel about what the beliefs are
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and what the answers are to some
of these biblical conundrums.
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So for question number
one, we're actually going to let
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Pastor Barney start first.
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Do we need to keep
the Ten Commandments?
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Alright, here's a scripture
we're going to consider.
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That silhouette is
strangely familiar.
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Romans chapter 6 verse 14.
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And I'm going to be
going through a lot of
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scriptures very quickly.
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You may not see all
of them on the screen.
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Hopefully you'll see at
least a reference on the
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bottom of your screen.
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"For sin shall not
have dominion over you,
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for you are not under
the law but under grace."
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There you have it, Pastor Doug.
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You're not under the law.
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You don't have to keep
the Ten Commandments anymore.
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We are now under grace.
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As opposed to being under
the law, the Ten commandments.
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So when you start teaching
about the Ten Commandments,
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you're being legalistic.
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Another verse often
used, Galatians 3 verse 13.
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"Christ has redeemed us
from the curse of the law."
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The law is a curse.
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We've been
saved from that curse.
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So why would we want to go back
and be under that curse anymore.
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Alright, Pastor Barney.
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Please allow me to
deal with that now.
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Before we figure out what
the Lord has saved us from,
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we need to know what is sin.
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Romans chapter 6 verse 23.
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"Sin is the transgression..."
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No, I read you...
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"The wages of sin..."
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Sorry, I was
jumping to another verse.
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"The wages of sin is death."
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So the curse that the
Lord has delivered us from
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is the curse of death.
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When it says that
you're not under the law
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but you're under grace,
it means you are not longer
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under the penalty of the law.
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But because you're not
under the penalty of the law,
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does that mean you don't
need to obey the law anymore?
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The definition for sin is, it's
the transgression of the law.
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That's 1 John 3 verse 4.
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And so, if sin is the
transgression of God's law,
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if there's no sin, well
you don't need a Savior.
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If there's no law, there's sin.
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No sin, you don't need a Savior.
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You can understand why the
devil would like that doctrine
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or that
misinterpretation of things.
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Not under the law.
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Suppose for a moment
that a policeman enters a
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convenient store in some
major city and he spots a man
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that is stealing, he's walking
out the door and he is stealing
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three loaves of bread
for his hungry children
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and maybe one
Twinkie for himself.
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And before he gets out the door,
the policeman grabs that man by
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the collar and he handcuffs him
and he starts to write him up.
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And the man falls
down before that policeman
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and says, "Please
have mercy on me."
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Now as soon as he has
been caught, it's on the
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video cameras in
the convenient store.
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He stole the bread, he
was heading out the door,
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he wasn't paying,
and he looked shady,
00:19:42.26\00:19:44.01
and he stuck
them in his backpack.
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And as soon as he's
caught, he's under the law.
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He's handcuffed.
He is under the law.
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He's guilty.
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He's under the
penalty of the law.
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He's going down to the station,
he's going to pay a fine,
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he's going to maybe go to jail.
00:19:59.51\00:20:01.12
But he falls down
before the policeman and says,
00:20:01.71\00:20:04.83
"Officer, please have mercy.
I've got hungry children."
00:20:04.86\00:20:09.45
And so the policeman
says, "Alright, I'll tell you
00:20:09.97\00:20:11.69
what we're going to do."
00:20:11.72\00:20:12.76
He walks over to
the cashier and he says,
00:20:13.02\00:20:14.58
"How much is the bread?"
00:20:14.61\00:20:15.59
And he says, "I'll
pay for the bread."
00:20:15.89\00:20:17.43
And he tells him to
put the Twinkie back.
00:20:17.88\00:20:19.48
And he says, "I'm going
to unlock the handcuffs.
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You're free."
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As soon as the policeman
pays his fine, he's free.
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He is now under grace.
00:20:31.82\00:20:33.79
And so as soon and his
handcuffs are unlocked,
00:20:33.82\00:20:36.86
he says, "Thank you, officer."
00:20:36.89\00:20:38.34
He unzips his backpack
and he goes up the aisles,
00:20:38.37\00:20:41.22
he starts to just
shovel things in his backpack.
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Because he's no longer under the
law, but he's now under grace.
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Is that a right interpretation?
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So the idea that now we
are no longer under the law,
00:20:50.21\00:20:53.50
and so we are
free to break the law,
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what would the end of that be?
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I don't think
that follows the Bible.
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James chapter 2 verse 10.
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"For whosoever shall keep
the whole law, and yet offend
00:21:03.63\00:21:07.67
in one point, he
is guilty of all.
00:21:07.70\00:21:10.26
For he that said,
'Do not commit adultery,'
00:21:10.53\00:21:12.44
said also, 'Do not kill.'
00:21:12.47\00:21:13.95
If you don't commit
adultery, yet if you kill..."
00:21:13.98\00:21:16.70
Now where do you find,
"Don't commit adultery,"
00:21:16.73\00:21:18.54
and "Don't kill?"
00:21:18.57\00:21:19.58
Does everyone here need me
to read the Ten Commandments?
00:21:19.88\00:21:21.81
Or do we know that those
are two of the Ten Commandments?
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This is New Testament.
00:21:25.56\00:21:26.98
"Whoever said, 'Do
not commit adultery,'
00:21:27.54\00:21:29.25
said also, 'Do not kill.'"
00:21:29.28\00:21:30.79
It says we're not only
to speak it, we're to do it.
00:21:42.21\00:21:44.60
And then, you know,
one of my favorite verses
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Is Deuteronomy 5:29.
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And this is the Lord
speaking, this isn't Moses.
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God is saying, "Oh
that they would fear Me
00:22:05.15\00:22:08.08
and keep all of My
commandments always for them."
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Because, whenever we sin and
break God's law, it hurts us.
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Pastor Doug, that was
from the Old Testament.
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It doesn't count.
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Okay, well what's your
next argument, Pastor Barney?
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Now we're going to deal with
not being under the law because
00:22:27.16\00:22:30.53
you've got a variation
between the letter of the law
00:22:30.56\00:22:34.56
and the spirit of the law.
00:22:34.57\00:22:36.02
Alright, Romans
chapter 7 verse 6.
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Ten Commandments;
it's the letter of the law.
00:22:50.72\00:22:52.77
2 Corinthians 3:6
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Not the old covenant anymore.
00:23:00.71\00:23:02.08
The Ten Commandments
is the old covenant.
00:23:02.11\00:23:03.52
And if you read verse
7, if you're questioning
00:23:12.27\00:23:14.18
what that letter
is he's talking about,
00:23:14.21\00:23:16.08
he says, "written
and engraved in stone."
00:23:16.11\00:23:20.12
Now how can you
escape that, Pastor Doug?
00:23:20.15\00:23:22.05
It says we're not under the
letter, we're under the spirit.
00:23:23.07\00:23:27.18
The letter is the part
of the law that was written
00:23:27.21\00:23:30.14
and engraved in stone.
00:23:30.15\00:23:32.19
How many laws
were engraved in stone?
00:23:32.39\00:23:34.42
It's the Ten Commandments.
00:23:34.45\00:23:36.08
It says, we're not
under the law and we're not to
00:23:36.11\00:23:38.13
go by the letter anymore,
we're to go by the spirit.
00:23:38.16\00:23:40.80
So obviously, we don't need
to be controlled by that which
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was engraved in stone.
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Okay Pastor
Barney, let's address that.
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There is never a
conflict between the letter
00:23:50.85\00:23:54.48
and the spirit.
00:23:54.51\00:23:55.61
In other words, if you are
keeping the spirit of the law,
00:23:56.13\00:23:59.15
you will always be
keeping the letter of the law.
00:23:59.18\00:24:01.91
But it is possible for someone
to try to keep the letter
00:24:01.94\00:24:05.04
and not have the spirit.
00:24:05.44\00:24:06.88
And that's what Jesus
and Paul are talking about.
00:24:06.91\00:24:09.15
An example would be, if
you look in your Bibles at
00:24:09.18\00:24:12.09
Matthew 5:27, Jesus said, and
this will be including verse 28:
00:24:12.12\00:24:17.46
Now where does that come from?
00:24:22.01\00:24:23.21
One of the Ten Commandments,
the seventh commandment.
00:24:24.18\00:24:26.47
Now the letter of the law
says, "Don't commit adultery."
00:24:35.97\00:24:39.81
The spirit of the law
says, "It's not just an action,
00:24:40.40\00:24:43.84
it's also an attitude."
00:24:43.87\00:24:45.32
And by the way,
it works both ways.
00:24:45.35\00:24:46.70
It's not just
men looking at women.
00:24:46.73\00:24:48.13
It's women looking at men.
00:24:48.16\00:24:49.68
It's talking about an attitude.
00:24:49.71\00:24:52.20
Jesus also said, "You've
heard it said by them of old
00:24:52.60\00:24:56.08
that you shall
not swear falsely."
00:24:56.11\00:24:58.77
And He said, "But I
tell you, let your yes be yes
00:24:59.28\00:25:01.85
and your no be no."
00:25:01.86\00:25:03.28
The letter of the law says,
"Don't bear false witness."
00:25:03.31\00:25:05.57
But He said, let even
your intentions of your
00:25:05.96\00:25:08.45
heart be honest.
00:25:08.48\00:25:10.41
The letter of the law
says, "You will not kill."
00:25:11.11\00:25:13.75
The spirit of the law, Jesus
said is, if you are angry with
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your brother without
cause, you're guilty of murder.
00:25:16.71\00:25:18.83
And so Christ is simply
saying, and Paul is saying,
00:25:19.13\00:25:22.93
don't be governed by
the letter of the action
00:25:22.96\00:25:26.47
and forget about the
attitude; the spirit of the law.
00:25:26.50\00:25:30.93
We should be keeping both
the letter and the spirit.
00:25:30.96\00:25:33.65
Now it is possible for a person
to say, "You're keeping the
00:25:33.68\00:25:38.62
letter of the
law, you're legalistic,
00:25:38.65\00:25:40.13
and you're not
keeping the spirit."
00:25:40.14\00:25:41.17
Because some people
are consumed with the
00:25:41.20\00:25:43.40
outward appearance of obedience.
00:25:43.43\00:25:45.41
This is what Jesus was
condemning among the Pharisees.
00:25:45.44\00:25:48.79
It was all the
external appearance.
00:25:48.80\00:25:50.91
But He said, it's
not in your heart.
00:25:50.94\00:25:52.37
But it is not possible for
a person to keep the spirit
00:25:52.67\00:25:55.73
and break the letter.
00:25:55.76\00:25:56.75
Think about how
silly this would sound.
00:25:58.25\00:26:00.26
If a person said, "I am going
to keep the spirit of the law
00:26:00.56\00:26:04.31
of not looking at the
opposite sex and lusting.
00:26:04.34\00:26:07.22
I may commit
adultery, but I won't be
00:26:07.25\00:26:10.35
thinking it in my heart."
00:26:10.38\00:26:11.79
Is that possible?
00:26:13.28\00:26:14.46
Or for a person to say, "I
will keep the spirit of the law
00:26:14.49\00:26:17.09
and not be angry with
my brother without a cause.
00:26:17.10\00:26:19.55
I might murder him, but
I'll love him in my heart
00:26:20.29\00:26:22.59
while I'm doing it."
00:26:22.69\00:26:23.72
So the Bible is talking
about a consistency between
00:26:24.93\00:26:28.34
keeping the
letter and the spirit.
00:26:28.37\00:26:31.38
It's not just the action.
00:26:31.41\00:26:32.67
God wants us to
do it from the heart.
00:26:32.70\00:26:35.26
And so, keeping the spirit
does not abolish the letter.
00:26:35.56\00:26:38.34
The letter is kindergarten.
00:26:38.37\00:26:39.86
The spirit is college.
00:26:39.89\00:26:42.01
So we're to
have the whole thing.
00:26:42.39\00:26:43.96
Alright, another common...
00:26:44.36\00:26:46.61
I've got to make
sure I'm on the right side
00:26:47.01\00:26:49.06
of these doctrines here.
00:26:49.07\00:26:50.08
Pastor Doug,
the Ten Commandments
00:26:51.98\00:26:54.26
are the old covenant.
00:26:54.29\00:26:56.31
And I think that all of
us agree here that we are now
00:26:57.23\00:26:59.75
under the new covenant.
00:26:59.78\00:27:01.42
And I want to know
how the silhouette can be
00:27:02.31\00:27:04.23
taller than me.
00:27:04.26\00:27:05.43
Proof for that is
Deuteronomy chapter 4 verse 13.
00:27:07.74\00:27:13.91
Is there any question then?
00:27:22.94\00:27:24.72
I mean, who can deny
that the Ten Commandments
00:27:24.75\00:27:27.21
are the old covenant.
00:27:27.24\00:27:28.94
That's what He wrote
with His own finger in stone.
00:27:28.95\00:27:32.49
And it says that we're not
under the old covenant now.
00:27:32.89\00:27:36.15
Everybody believes,
even Seventh-day Adventists,
00:27:36.18\00:27:38.03
I understand, believe that we're
under the new covenant now.
00:27:38.06\00:27:41.79
So why are you trying to
put people back under the
00:27:42.24\00:27:44.46
old covenant again?
00:27:44.49\00:27:45.88
Hebrews 8...
00:27:46.60\00:27:47.61
This gets serious.
00:27:47.62\00:27:48.70
If you just read things by
themselves, it can be confusing.
00:27:49.64\00:27:52.90
That's what I'm going
to do as Pastor Barney.
00:27:52.91\00:27:54.87
"For if the first covenant
had been faultless, then there
00:27:58.94\00:28:02.15
would be no place
sought for the second."
00:28:02.16\00:28:04.44
Hebrews 8 verse 13.
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There you've got it, friends.
00:28:16.01\00:28:17.33
Take it from Pastor Barney.
00:28:18.31\00:28:20.18
I just read it to you
out of the New Testament
00:28:20.21\00:28:22.07
that the old covenant
is the Ten Commandments.
00:28:22.10\00:28:24.74
It is obsolete, prepared
to vanish away, and faulty.
00:28:24.77\00:28:31.03
It said all that.
00:28:31.06\00:28:32.07
Now how are you
going to deal with that?
00:28:32.08\00:28:33.69
Ah-ha. Okay.
00:28:33.72\00:28:35.65
Let's keep reading.
00:28:37.53\00:28:38.60
Now Pastor Barney, you
need to read everything that it
00:28:38.61\00:28:41.26
says here about that
verse there in Hebrews.
00:28:41.27\00:28:43.99
First, I want you
to know in Romans 7:12.
00:28:44.66\00:28:48.38
How can the Ten Commandments
be passed away when Paul,
00:28:49.05\00:28:52.13
New Testament, says
that "the law is holy,
00:28:52.16\00:28:57.53
the commandment is
holy and just and good."
00:28:57.56\00:29:00.14
In fact, everything you're going
to find that the Bibles says
00:29:00.15\00:29:03.05
in describing
the Ten Commandments
00:29:03.06\00:29:04.70
are the very same
characteristics of God Himself.
00:29:04.73\00:29:08.78
You name a characteristic
of God, especially if you read
00:29:09.08\00:29:12.14
Psalm 119, it
describes His law with the same
00:29:12.17\00:29:15.50
characteristics as Himself.
00:29:15.51\00:29:17.86
So to abolish the
Ten Commandment law
00:29:17.89\00:29:21.00
and say that it's faded
away, you're going to end up
00:29:21.01\00:29:23.30
starting to get rid of
God and erase Him, Himself.
00:29:23.31\00:29:26.73
You can also see here where
it says in Romans 9 verse 4,
00:29:27.26\00:29:30.51
"Who are Israelites, to
whom pertaineth the adoption,
00:29:31.72\00:29:35.21
and glory, and the covenants,
and the giving of the law..."
00:29:35.24\00:29:40.87
Wait a second here.
00:29:40.90\00:29:41.90
You mean the
covenants are separate
00:29:42.30\00:29:44.51
from the giving of the law?
00:29:44.54\00:29:46.19
That's what it says,
they're two separate things.
00:29:46.22\00:29:47.66
"The covenants, and
the giving of the law."
00:29:47.69\00:29:49.66
Well I thought
the Ten Commandments
00:29:49.69\00:29:51.10
were the old covenant.
00:29:51.13\00:29:52.15
Here's where
people get confused.
00:29:52.16\00:29:53.79
A covenant is an agreement.
00:29:53.82\00:29:56.78
The subject of the
agreement may not change.
00:29:57.60\00:30:00.43
For instance, if you and I sign
a contract that you're going to
00:30:00.46\00:30:02.69
buy my house, we make a
covenant, we get an agreement.
00:30:02.72\00:30:06.85
You get a copy, I get
a copy. We agree to it.
00:30:06.88\00:30:09.27
If you back out
of that agreement,
00:30:09.90\00:30:11.87
my house does not evaporate.
00:30:11.90\00:30:13.91
An example would be...
00:30:15.19\00:30:16.95
I was just reading
today; Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:30:18.08\00:30:21.45
Do you remember?
00:30:21.46\00:30:22.46
You may not remember, but he's
the one who assassinated JKF;
00:30:22.47\00:30:26.65
John F. Kennedy.
00:30:26.66\00:30:28.03
Before that day, I think it
was 1959 or 1960, he had become
00:30:28.43\00:30:33.23
disgusted with the US, even
though he had been a marine.
00:30:33.24\00:30:36.46
And he decided he wanted to sort
of renounce his US citizenship.
00:30:36.49\00:30:39.94
And he went to the USSR
and asked to be received
00:30:40.25\00:30:43.46
as a citizen there.
00:30:43.49\00:30:44.97
Which they did.
00:30:45.39\00:30:46.49
And after a while, he
got bored and he asked if
00:30:47.21\00:30:49.05
he could come back.
00:30:49.08\00:30:50.22
But when he
renounced his citizenship...
00:30:50.66\00:30:54.10
Your citizenship in the US
is based on the Constitution.
00:30:54.73\00:30:58.79
When a person renounces their
citizenship, the Constitution
00:30:59.64\00:31:02.86
doesn't change.
00:31:02.87\00:31:04.30
Their citizenship and the
covenant to uphold the laws
00:31:04.33\00:31:08.39
of the land, you're agreeing
to support the Constitution.
00:31:08.42\00:31:11.90
If you say, "I don't want
to be an American anymore,"
00:31:11.91\00:31:14.05
and you leave the country,
the covenant might be broken
00:31:14.06\00:31:17.32
but the
Constitution doesn't change.
00:31:17.35\00:31:20.33
And, you know, there's
a couple of ways a person
00:31:21.55\00:31:23.69
might become a citizen.
00:31:23.72\00:31:25.57
Some are by birth and others are
naturalized by taking a test.
00:31:26.00\00:31:30.76
And it's interesting that...
00:31:30.79\00:31:31.95
I've got a friend who was
just voted in as a US citizen.
00:31:32.41\00:31:34.79
He started telling me this
stuff that was on his test.
00:31:34.82\00:31:36.91
I realized he knew more about
the Constitution than I did.
00:31:36.94\00:31:39.65
Sometimes, people who
are converts to Christianity
00:31:41.35\00:31:44.05
know more about the Bible than
people who were born into it.
00:31:44.35\00:31:47.15
But that's a different
subject maybe for another night.
00:31:47.61\00:31:49.79
Now let me read, with that
understanding, let me read in
00:31:49.82\00:31:53.05
Hebrews chapter 8 verse 6.
00:31:53.08\00:31:55.04
Oh, first of all, when God
read the Ten Commandments...
00:31:57.07\00:32:00.06
Who knows what chapter
that's in when He first gave
00:32:00.09\00:32:02.06
the Ten Commandments?
00:32:02.09\00:32:03.27
Exodus 20.
00:32:03.69\00:32:05.72
You read in Exodus 24, after
God spoke the Ten Commandments,
00:32:05.82\00:32:09.95
He then wrote them down.
00:32:09.98\00:32:11.36
Moses brought
them a written copy.
00:32:11.39\00:32:13.31
The Bible tells us:
00:32:13.91\00:32:15.12
They made an agreement
based on their promises.
00:32:25.93\00:32:28.94
Right?
00:32:28.95\00:32:29.95
Now with that in
mind, listen to what Paul
00:32:29.96\00:32:31.37
says again in Hebrews 8.
00:32:31.40\00:32:33.06
The verse that Pastor
Barney just read, but he
00:32:33.54\00:32:35.23
left some of it out.
00:32:35.26\00:32:36.43
Verse 6.
00:32:37.53\00:32:38.99
Whose promises?
00:32:50.89\00:32:52.25
God's promises.
00:32:52.28\00:32:53.89
Who broke the covenant, the
Ten Commandments or the people?
00:33:06.72\00:33:09.25
And so, what changed
was the promises of God.
00:33:10.13\00:33:13.75
The fault was with the
ones who made the agreement.
00:33:13.78\00:33:16.97
You can have two
people get married
00:33:17.66\00:33:19.14
and they make a covenant.
00:33:19.17\00:33:20.18
And one person can be
faithful and say, "I will never
00:33:20.78\00:33:23.68
let go of you."
00:33:23.71\00:33:24.81
But the other one, if
they're free, they can
00:33:24.84\00:33:27.25
break that covenant.
00:33:27.28\00:33:28.43
Isn't that right?
00:33:29.08\00:33:30.05
There are two parties involved.
00:33:30.08\00:33:32.05
God said, "I'll
never break My covenant.
00:33:32.08\00:33:34.61
The thing I've
spoken, I will never change.
00:33:34.64\00:33:36.57
I will keep My promises."
00:33:36.60\00:33:38.26
But our promises aren't so good.
00:33:38.29\00:33:39.99
That's why the new covenant
is superior, because it's
00:33:40.02\00:33:42.77
based upon a
different sacrifice.
00:33:42.80\00:33:45.02
It's not the sacrifices
of lambs and goats and oxen.
00:33:45.05\00:33:48.39
It's based upon the
promises of God; better promises
00:33:48.40\00:33:51.74
and a better
person, better mediator.
00:33:51.77\00:33:55.29
It's Jesus, it's
not a high priest.
00:33:55.32\00:33:57.33
And so, yes, we are
living under the new covenant.
00:33:57.36\00:33:59.78
Now maybe it would
be a good idea for us to
00:33:59.81\00:34:02.63
read the new covenant.
00:34:02.66\00:34:04.45
You can read here going
on in Hebrews chapter 8.
00:34:05.97\00:34:10.34
He says, "Not according..."
And this is in verse 9.
00:34:10.37\00:34:13.38
Oh, actually I
want to read verse 8.
00:34:14.11\00:34:17.08
"For finding fault
with them, He said..."
00:34:17.14\00:34:19.29
Now Pastor Barney, can
you show me where in the Bible
00:34:25.92\00:34:29.81
God makes a
covenant with Gentiles?
00:34:29.84\00:34:32.49
Hearing no answer,
I'll assume there is none.
00:34:34.69\00:34:36.45
"And I will be their God
and they will be My people."
00:34:58.51\00:35:00.44
You notice, it's
based upon better promises.
00:35:00.47\00:35:03.25
These are the promises of God.
00:35:03.28\00:35:04.97
So the new covenant is what law?
00:35:05.58\00:35:09.65
It's the law of God
that is written in the heart.
00:35:10.22\00:35:13.36
Wait a second, Pastor Doug.
00:35:14.62\00:35:15.98
You're trying to put
these people under the bondage
00:35:17.77\00:35:20.22
of the Ten Commandments.
00:35:20.25\00:35:21.33
Yet Jesus came and He
perfectly kept the commandments
00:35:21.36\00:35:24.10
because He was a Jew.
00:35:24.13\00:35:25.46
He kept it for all of us
so we don't need to keep it.
00:35:25.49\00:35:28.07
Christ has fulfilled the law.
00:35:28.10\00:35:30.71
You all have
heard that, haven't you?
00:35:31.95\00:35:33.38
Matthew chapter 5 verse 17.
00:35:34.21\00:35:38.15
Jesus said, "Think not
that I am come to destroy the
00:35:39.38\00:35:42.36
law or the prophets.
00:35:42.39\00:35:43.58
I am not come to
destroy, but to fulfill."
00:35:43.61\00:35:46.91
Jesus came and
fulfilled the law.
00:35:47.31\00:35:49.12
He kept it perfectly.
00:35:49.15\00:35:50.52
Christ said in John
chapter 15, "I have kept My
00:35:50.55\00:35:54.21
Father's commandments."
00:35:54.24\00:35:55.38
So we don't need to
keep the commandments because
00:35:55.41\00:35:57.40
we keep them through Him.
00:35:57.50\00:35:59.93
We don't need to
keep them anymore because
00:36:00.34\00:36:01.79
He kept them for us.
00:36:01.82\00:36:03.13
He fulfilled the law.
00:36:03.16\00:36:04.31
So that, now it has
been abolished and now we're
00:36:04.94\00:36:07.33
under the new
covenant of the law.
00:36:07.36\00:36:09.49
Luke 16:16
00:36:09.52\00:36:11.10
Here it says, "The law and
the prophets were until John."
00:36:11.30\00:36:15.38
Now if the law and the
prophets were until John,
00:36:16.03\00:36:18.32
speaking of John the Baptist,
then after John the Baptist
00:36:18.35\00:36:21.68
we're not under the law anymore.
00:36:21.71\00:36:24.28
Now we're under the new
covenant, which is simply
00:36:24.91\00:36:27.90
based upon love.
00:36:27.93\00:36:29.14
And again, Galatians 3:19.
00:36:29.17\00:36:31.18
"What purpose then
does the law serve?
00:36:31.74\00:36:34.32
It was added
because of transgressions,
00:36:34.33\00:36:36.83
until the Seed should come."
00:36:36.86\00:36:38.34
Who is the Seed that
it's talking about there?
00:36:38.37\00:36:41.32
The Seed of the
woman from Genesis 3:15.
00:36:41.72\00:36:44.16
Jesus is that Seed.
00:36:44.19\00:36:45.83
So the law served a purpose
until the Seed should come.
00:36:45.86\00:36:49.04
Jesus, the Seed, came and
He kept the law perfectly,
00:36:49.34\00:36:52.94
He fulfilled it.
00:36:52.95\00:36:54.01
We don't need to
keep the law anymore.
00:36:54.04\00:36:55.80
It has been fulfilled in Jesus.
00:36:55.81\00:36:57.77
I wish I had a quarter
for every time I heard that.
00:36:59.67\00:37:02.10
Sorry, I should have
changed sides when I said that.
00:37:02.86\00:37:04.74
And again Jesus said, "I have
kept My Fathers commandments."
00:37:10.10\00:37:13.79
Now...
00:37:13.82\00:37:15.07
It's tough being bipolar.
00:37:17.02\00:37:18.64
I'm sorry.
00:37:19.04\00:37:20.05
It's easier for
me than some people.
00:37:21.88\00:37:23.61
Alright, Pastor Barney, you
didn't read the first part of
00:37:25.26\00:37:27.48
John chapter 15 verse 10.
00:37:27.49\00:37:29.93
Jesus said, "If you keep
My commandments, you will
00:37:29.96\00:37:33.75
abide in My love, just as I have
kept My Father's commandments
00:37:33.78\00:37:38.40
and abide in His love."
00:37:38.43\00:37:39.86
So how does Jesus want
us to keep the commandments?
00:37:39.89\00:37:43.60
He said, "You keep
the commandments as I have
00:37:43.92\00:37:47.21
kept the commandments."
00:37:47.24\00:37:48.47
Yes, Jesus did fulfill the law.
00:37:48.78\00:37:50.92
What does the
word "fulfill" mean?
00:37:50.95\00:37:53.00
It means, to fill full.
00:37:53.49\00:37:55.56
Jesus, in His
life, He filled it full.
00:37:55.59\00:37:57.86
The Bible prophesied in Isaiah
that the Messiah would come,
00:37:57.89\00:38:00.67
He would magnify the
law and make it honorable.
00:38:00.70\00:38:04.05
Yes, I would have to
agree with you, Pastor Barney.
00:38:05.07\00:38:08.58
There has only been one person
who has perfectly kept the law.
00:38:08.88\00:38:12.73
And that would be Jesus.
00:38:13.13\00:38:14.50
But after we are born again
and we become new creatures,
00:38:14.80\00:38:17.91
He tells us that, "I want
you to keep My commandments
00:38:18.54\00:38:21.62
as I kept the
Father's commandments."
00:38:21.63\00:38:23.74
Pastor Doug, I've got
to disagree with that.
00:38:25.50\00:38:27.22
He had different commandments.
00:38:28.83\00:38:30.59
He was talking about keeping
the Father's commandments.
00:38:30.62\00:38:32.54
Yes, Jesus kept the ten.
00:38:32.57\00:38:33.80
But He said, "You
keep My commandments."
00:38:33.83\00:38:35.61
Jesus had different
commandments from the Father.
00:38:35.64\00:38:38.17
Pastor Barney, who
wrote the Ten Commandments?
00:38:38.68\00:38:43.73
God did.
00:38:45.16\00:38:46.17
Who is Jesus?
00:38:48.05\00:38:49.42
He's God.
00:38:51.18\00:38:52.36
So who was up there on
the mountain writing the
00:38:54.95\00:38:56.61
Ten Commandments?
00:38:56.64\00:38:57.89
Well that was God the Father.
00:38:58.88\00:39:00.35
Oh, I respectfully disagree.
00:39:01.92\00:39:03.61
The Bible says, "All things that
were made were made by Him,"
00:39:04.15\00:39:08.56
speaking of Jesus.
00:39:08.59\00:39:10.16
And that would include however
He welded the Ten Commandments
00:39:10.19\00:39:13.65
out of that rock and burned
the words in with His finger.
00:39:13.68\00:39:17.19
All things that were
made were made by Him.
00:39:17.22\00:39:20.60
The law of Jesus is
not different from the
00:39:20.98\00:39:23.84
Ten Commandments, because
it was Jesus with the Father
00:39:23.87\00:39:26.58
delivering the law
there on top of Mount Sinai.
00:39:26.61\00:39:29.28
No answer to that one.
00:39:35.12\00:39:36.45
Jesus' commandments
are the Ten Commandments.
00:39:38.63\00:39:42.35
He never told us we could
break the Ten commandments.
00:39:43.07\00:39:45.16
So what does it mean to
fulfill the Ten Commandments?
00:39:45.17\00:39:47.92
You know, when Jesus was
baptized by John the Baptist...
00:39:48.31\00:39:50.83
You have to
understand the word "fulfill".
00:39:50.86\00:39:52.76
Let the Bible explain itself.
00:39:52.79\00:39:55.41
You can read where He
came down to the water
00:39:56.10\00:39:58.49
in Matthew chapter 3 verse 15.
00:39:58.52\00:40:00.90
John the Baptist recognized
He was the Messiah, and
00:40:00.93\00:40:03.91
he said, "Wait a second here,
You are the holy One of Israel.
00:40:03.92\00:40:08.26
You want me to baptize You?
00:40:08.88\00:40:10.46
Baptism is a symbol
for washing away from sin.
00:40:10.49\00:40:13.09
You are sinless.
00:40:13.10\00:40:14.71
Why would I be baptizing You?
00:40:14.74\00:40:16.38
You need to baptize me."
00:40:16.41\00:40:18.35
And you remember
what Jesus' answer was.
00:40:19.41\00:40:21.58
He said, "Suffer," or
"allow it to be so now..."
00:40:22.34\00:40:26.05
Does "fulfill all righteousness"
mean, do away with
00:40:31.92\00:40:36.44
all righteousness?
00:40:36.47\00:40:37.74
If the word "fulfill"
means, do away with...
00:40:37.77\00:40:40.43
And the way some
people interpret it is,
00:40:40.46\00:40:42.37
Christ came to fulfill the
law, and they think that means
00:40:42.40\00:40:45.11
Christ came to do
away with the law.
00:40:45.14\00:40:47.54
But listen to what Jesus
says in Matthew chapter 5
00:40:48.43\00:40:51.00
verses 18 and 19.
00:40:51.03\00:40:52.61
You've got to keep reading.
00:41:04.17\00:41:05.89
And keep in mind He
had just been mentioning
00:41:10.51\00:41:12.74
the Ten Commandments in
the sermon on the mount.
00:41:12.77\00:41:14.81
"One of these least"
means, as you look through the
00:41:16.93\00:41:18.27
Ten Commandments, you
can figure to yourself
00:41:18.30\00:41:20.92
whichever one you
think is the least important.
00:41:20.93\00:41:23.30
Jesus said, "Whoever
shall break the least
00:41:24.36\00:41:27.54
and teach others to break
the least, he will be called
00:41:27.57\00:41:31.49
the least in the
kingdom of heaven."
00:41:31.52\00:41:33.26
Now this is often misunderstood.
00:41:33.29\00:41:34.94
It doesn't mean he'll be
in the kingdom but he's just
00:41:34.97\00:41:37.42
going to have a lower rank.
00:41:37.45\00:41:38.79
It means, the people in
the kingdom call that person
00:41:38.82\00:41:42.15
the lowest individual.
00:41:42.18\00:41:44.47
They're not in the kingdom.
00:41:44.50\00:41:45.59
But the people in the
kingdom call them, the lowest.
00:41:45.62\00:41:48.58
Whoever will teach others
to break the Ten Commandments,
00:41:48.61\00:41:51.99
and by their example
break the Ten Commandments...
00:41:52.02\00:41:54.55
What is sin?
00:41:55.36\00:41:56.77
Sin is the
transgression of God's law.
00:41:57.32\00:41:59.45
And that's why it is
a very serious matter
00:41:59.48\00:42:02.95
for pastors to be teaching
people they don't need to
00:42:02.98\00:42:05.90
keep the Ten Commandments.
00:42:05.91\00:42:07.57
That's a serious,
that's a frightening thing.
00:42:08.23\00:42:10.75
Jesus came to save us
from our law breaking.
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Let me take a
little detour here.
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I apologize to the studio.
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This is not going to be on the
screen, at least not right away.
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If you look in 2
Peter chapter 3...
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I'm using a new Bible
for this presentation,
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so the pages turn
a little different.
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2 Peter chapter 3 and
you can start in verse 15.
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Just make a note of this.
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"And consider that the
longsuffering of our Lord
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is salvation, as also
our beloved brother Paul,
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according to the wisdom given
to him, has written to you,
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as also in all his
epistles, speaking in them..."
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Now Peter is talking
about the epistles of Paul.
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"...speaking in them of
these things, in which are some
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things hard to understand..."
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In Paul's letters, epistles, are
some things hard to understand.
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"...which those who are untaught
and unstable twist to their
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own destruction, as they
do the rest of the Scriptures.
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You therefore, beloved,
since you know this beforehand,
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beware lest you also
fall from your steadfastness,
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being led away with
the error of the wicked."
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And the work "wicked" there can
also be translated "lawless".
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What that means very simply
is, you look, make a note;
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virtually every time any pastor
tries to say that you don't
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need to keep the Ten
Commandments when you're
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a born again New Testament
Christian, they'll turn to the
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letters of Paul that
Peter says some people twist.
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Because Paul said some
difficult things because he was
00:43:46.86\00:43:49.71
dealing with legalistic Jews.
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It's real easy
to understand James.
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But Paul was
pretty deep at times.
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But it's also Paul who
said, Romans chapter 6,
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"Shall we continue in
sin that grace may abound?
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God forbid, certainly not."
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So Paul was clear enough.
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But you've got to read all of it
together, because a person can
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hand pick things out
of the writings of Paul
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and be led to believe
that it's no longer important
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for us to keep
the Ten Commandments.
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I know I'm not
giving you equal time.
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I'm sorry, but
just bear with me here.
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Maybe I will give
you some more time here.
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Oh yea, let me
read Ephesians 3:19.
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"For you know the love of
Christ which passes knowledge;
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that you may be filled
with all the fullness of God."
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We were talking a
moment ago about what it
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means to fulfill the law.
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The Bible tells us that He
wants us to be full of Christ.
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So if Jesus in His life
fulfilled the law, and if you
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are filled with Christ,
then will we in our lives
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be more obedient to God?
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What's the
difference between Christians
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and the people of the world?
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It's not like that
bumper sticker that says,
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"We are just forgiven."
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A lot of the problems people
struggle with are sin problems.
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And we need God to give
us victory over our sins.
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Christians need to be
hearing today that we can be
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new creatures, that we can obey.
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Pastor Doug, I
believe in obedience also.
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But you've got to make
sure that we're talking about
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obeying the right commandments.
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Jesus gave us a new commandment.
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Let me read that for
you. John 13 verse 34.
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It's very simple, there
are only two commandments
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now for the Christian.
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We're led by the Spirit.
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He said, "A new commandment
I give to you, that you
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love one another;
as I have loved you,
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that you also love one another."
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So the Ten Commandments
are replaced with a supreme
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commandment of
God in you; just love.
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Don't walk around
worrying about the letter
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and the details of the law.
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Just love each other.
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Matthew 22 verse 37, Jesus said:
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The Ten Commandments have been
hung, just like some ole cowboy
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that was rustling
horses or something.
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It's hung.
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All of that was hung
on two commandments now;
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love the Lord and
love your neighbor.
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Pastor Barney, that's not
what it means when it says,
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"on these two commandments
hang the law and the prophet."
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The word "hang" there
means, like you take a Mona Lisa
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in your house and you
put a nail in the wall,
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and you hang it up in a position
of respect and visibility.
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So the idea that the
Ten Commandments have been
00:46:51.54\00:46:53.62
strangled by the love for
God and love for your fellow man
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is actually the opposite.
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Those two great commandments
are a summary of the
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Ten Commandments.
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Paul, of all
people, makes that clear.
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Romans chapter 13
verse 9, Paul said:
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What is Paul quoting from there?
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It's the Ten Commandments.
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"...and if
there be any other..."
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Just to have space because, you
know, the second commandment,
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you write it all out,
and the fourth commandment,
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they're the two longest.
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So Paul, you know, back
then with leather scrolls
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and ink pens, he's
just trying to be concise.
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He's quoting the
Ten Commandments.
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And he said, "... and if
there is any other commandment,
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it is briefly comprehended
in this saying, namely,
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'Thou shalt love thy
neighbor as thyself.'"
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In other words, when
Jesus said, "Love the Lord
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with all your heart,"
and, "love your neighbor,"
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you can summarize all
of the Ten Commandments
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into those two commandments.
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It doesn't mean that
there's some difference there.
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They're the same.
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Jesus just
summarized it, made it clear.
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Mark chapter 10 verse 19.
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A rich young ruler
came to Jesus, and He said:
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You remember, he came to
Jesus and he said, "Good Master,
00:48:28.83\00:48:30.85
what good thing shall I do
that I might have eternal life?"
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What was it that
Christ said to him?
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"You know the commandments."
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And he said, "Which?"
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And Jesus began to
recite the Ten Commandments.
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Now I should probably make
something clear at this point.
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There are like 300 commandments,
someone has calculated,
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in the Old
Testament that the Jews had.
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It depends on which
rabbi you're talking to.
00:48:51.66\00:48:53.67
There are a lot of
commandments that had to do with
00:48:53.70\00:48:55.80
Levitical regulations and with
sacrifices and with circumcision
00:48:55.83\00:48:59.77
and with the
temple and its ceremonies.
00:48:59.80\00:49:02.56
And there were civil laws
and there were health laws
00:49:02.59\00:49:05.12
and there were social laws.
00:49:05.15\00:49:07.10
All kinds of different laws.
00:49:07.13\00:49:08.79
But those laws are
different and distinct from the
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Ten Commandments.
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Not because I say
so, but God said so.
00:49:13.91\00:49:17.47
When God gave
the Ten Commandments,
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did He do something unique and
different than He had ever done
00:49:19.70\00:49:22.63
at any other time?
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Did He ask Moses to
do it, or did God say,
00:49:24.17\00:49:27.44
"I am not even
trusting this to a mortal.
00:49:27.47\00:49:29.72
I'm getting My microphone
and I am going to speak audibly
00:49:29.75\00:49:32.88
to the entire nation.
00:49:32.91\00:49:34.15
They're going to hear My voice.
00:49:34.18\00:49:36.13
And I'm going to take My
finger and I'm going to write it
00:49:36.41\00:49:38.74
down with My own
paper and My own..."
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Well it was a rock, stone.
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"...and with My own finger, so
there is never any confusion."
00:49:43.96\00:49:48.13
And when God does
something like that, you can
00:49:48.76\00:49:50.50
count on it being eternal.
00:49:50.53\00:49:52.43
The Ten Commandments,
God set apart and made
00:49:52.46\00:49:55.20
unique and distinct.
00:49:55.23\00:49:56.79
And by the way, Pastor Barney,
virtually every evangelical
00:49:56.82\00:50:02.62
and Christian preacher
from the time of Christ
00:50:02.65\00:50:05.44
through the reformation believed
what I'm saying right now
00:50:05.47\00:50:08.39
until the last 120 years.
00:50:08.42\00:50:11.36
As a matter of fact,
Seventh-day Adventists
00:50:11.39\00:50:12.85
have been the means of some
churches changing their position
00:50:12.88\00:50:17.06
because they've
been uncomfortable with
00:50:17.09\00:50:18.82
one of the commandments, so
they had to get rid of all ten.
00:50:18.85\00:50:22.17
I was doing some research
and preparation for this series
00:50:24.41\00:50:27.14
and I just typed
in on the internet,
00:50:27.92\00:50:29.71
"Do we need to keep
the Ten Commandments?"
00:50:30.59\00:50:32.44
And I began reading
some pastor expounding on it.
00:50:33.38\00:50:36.17
It must be popular, it popped
up on one of the first pages.
00:50:36.20\00:50:38.76
Talking about how important it
is to keep the Ten Commandments.
00:50:39.89\00:50:42.06
And I thought,
this is beautiful.
00:50:42.09\00:50:43.41
And then I got to the
bottom of the list and it said,
00:50:43.44\00:50:45.56
"Of course, there is
an exception with the
00:50:45.59\00:50:47.77
fourth commandment
regarding the Sabbath."
00:50:47.78\00:50:50.20
And that's why there has
been so much squirming over
00:50:52.57\00:50:55.08
the subject of the law.
00:50:55.11\00:50:56.23
And that's why I thought it
was important during this first
00:50:56.26\00:50:58.56
presentation to talk about,
how do we deal with the law.
00:50:58.76\00:51:03.52
Now we've all sinned,
we've all broken the law.
00:51:04.37\00:51:07.30
And it's only through the grace
of Jesus that any of us are
00:51:07.33\00:51:10.37
going to make it
into the kingdom.
00:51:10.40\00:51:11.64
But He doesn't
save us to disobey.
00:51:11.67\00:51:14.59
He came to save us from
our sins, from our lawlessness.
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Well, Pastor Doug, the
Ten Commandments are a burden.
00:51:20.10\00:51:28.10
And you are putting a
burden on these people.
00:51:28.13\00:51:30.92
Pastor Barney, which
commandment is an in particular
00:51:32.73\00:51:35.09
burden to you?
00:51:35.10\00:51:36.15
Well, it's all works oriented.
00:51:41.68\00:51:43.59
You talk about, you
know, have to keep the Sabbath.
00:51:43.62\00:51:45.20
It's just works, works, works.
00:51:45.23\00:51:46.64
Pastor Barney, the
Sabbath says to rest.
00:51:48.46\00:51:50.12
I'm telling them to rest,
you're telling them to work.
00:51:50.15\00:51:51.99
You're the one who's
putting them under a burden.
00:51:52.02\00:51:53.73
That was a low blow.
00:51:55.54\00:51:56.71
I want to go back over
here and give him a fair shot.
00:51:58.47\00:52:01.08
Now it does say
something about that.
00:52:02.35\00:52:04.77
He said, the Ten Commandments,
it can seem like a burden.
00:52:05.48\00:52:09.60
Acts chapter 15 verse 10.
00:52:09.63\00:52:11.23
The law is a
yoke, it's a burden.
00:52:21.36\00:52:22.99
And we're not to be
putting that on the disciples.
00:52:23.02\00:52:25.57
I don't have a problem with that
because that was dealing with
00:52:26.54\00:52:29.12
a lot of the ceremonial
laws that were a burden.
00:52:29.15\00:52:31.69
But they never gave them
permission in the New Testament
00:52:31.72\00:52:33.85
to break the Ten Commandments.
00:52:33.88\00:52:35.82
Stop interrupting. It's my turn.
00:52:36.86\00:52:38.28
Galatians chapter 4 verse 24.
00:52:39.12\00:52:41.37
"...which things are symbolic.
00:52:41.77\00:52:43.83
For these are the two covenants:
one is from Mount Sinai
00:52:43.86\00:52:47.45
which gives birth to bondage..."
00:52:47.48\00:52:49.38
Now who can disagree?
00:52:49.41\00:52:50.45
What law was
given on Mount Sinai?
00:52:50.48\00:52:52.20
The Ten Commandments.
00:52:53.19\00:52:54.40
Giving birth to,
what? To bondage.
00:52:54.43\00:52:57.10
"...which is Hagar."
00:52:58.78\00:53:00.07
So, Pastor Doug, do
you believe anybody has
00:53:00.88\00:53:03.71
been able to keep the
Ten Commandments perfectly?
00:53:03.74\00:53:06.35
Just one person.
00:53:08.54\00:53:09.90
That's Jesus, right?
00:53:11.69\00:53:13.04
That's right, He's the only one.
00:53:14.08\00:53:15.36
So then, why are you
telling people now that they are
00:53:16.48\00:53:19.10
suppose to keep it, since
we have all acknowledged that
00:53:19.13\00:53:21.15
nobody is keeping it perfectly?
00:53:21.16\00:53:22.74
I believe that there are some
who, through the grace of God,
00:53:23.91\00:53:26.82
were able then
to become obedient.
00:53:26.83\00:53:29.83
There are a few that are
given, here in the Bible,
00:53:30.91\00:53:33.34
at least an honorable mention.
00:53:33.84\00:53:35.99
You can read, for instance,
Genesis chapter 6 verse 9.
00:53:36.80\00:53:39.75
"This is the genealogy of Noah.
00:53:40.04\00:53:42.39
Noah was a just man,
perfect in his generations.
00:53:42.42\00:53:45.76
Noah walked with God."
00:53:45.79\00:53:47.37
Now I know he had that
episode with the vineyard
00:53:47.38\00:53:49.32
and a problem there.
00:53:49.35\00:53:50.68
But the consistent
pattern of his life was one of;
00:53:50.71\00:53:53.40
just and
obedient, walked with God.
00:53:53.43\00:53:56.16
Genesis 26 verse 5.
00:53:56.19\00:53:59.72
"Because Abraham obeyed
My voice and kept My charge,
00:54:00.61\00:54:05.06
My commandments, My
statutes, and My laws."
00:54:05.09\00:54:09.19
And I was actually surprised
you did not bring up that
00:54:09.22\00:54:11.88
objection by saying
the Ten Commandments
00:54:11.91\00:54:14.10
began at Mount Sinai
and were just for the Jews.
00:54:14.13\00:54:16.44
Okay, I want to use that one.
00:54:17.83\00:54:19.32
I'm saying that.
00:54:19.33\00:54:21.12
Well the problem with that
is, Abraham lived before the
00:54:22.18\00:54:24.25
Ten Commandments were given.
00:54:24.28\00:54:25.40
And God says He has laws and
commandments long before Moses
00:54:25.43\00:54:28.96
came around and God
spoke them from the mountain.
00:54:28.99\00:54:31.90
Job 1:1, "There was a man in the
land of Uz, whose name was Job;
00:54:32.45\00:54:36.82
and that man was blameless
and upright, and one who
00:54:36.83\00:54:40.23
feared God and shunned evil."
00:54:40.26\00:54:42.18
So whatever that means, however
obedient these guys were,
00:54:42.21\00:54:45.46
that's how I want to be.
00:54:45.49\00:54:46.84
Pastor Doug, you notice that
you just read all those verses
00:54:47.45\00:54:50.72
from the Old Testament.
00:54:50.73\00:54:52.02
That was the Old
Testament people and they were
00:54:52.05\00:54:55.16
trying to be saved by works.
00:54:55.19\00:54:56.29
We're now living in
the New Testament time.
00:54:56.32\00:54:58.37
We are saved by grace.
00:54:58.40\00:54:59.94
Well here's one
from the New testament.
00:55:00.70\00:55:02.28
You can read it
in Luke 1 verse 6,
00:55:03.33\00:55:05.33
speaking of
Zacharias and Elizabeth.
00:55:05.36\00:55:07.57
"And they were both righteous
before God, walking in all the
00:55:07.60\00:55:11.62
commandments and ordinances
of the Lord blameless."
00:55:11.63\00:55:15.74
So whatever they did, that's all
I'm praying for that God will
00:55:16.05\00:55:19.11
do in me and for me,
to give me that experience
00:55:19.12\00:55:21.76
where I can
walk before the Lord.
00:55:21.79\00:55:23.45
Pastor Doug, you keep referring
to these people that existed
00:55:24.74\00:55:26.87
before Jesus died on the cross.
00:55:26.90\00:55:29.19
Zacharias and
Elizabeth were Jews.
00:55:29.22\00:55:31.14
Pastor Barney, you know, I can't
understand why you have such a
00:55:32.11\00:55:34.54
problem with there
being a different of salvation
00:55:34.57\00:55:36.85
for the Jews than there is
for New Testament Christians.
00:55:36.88\00:55:40.88
Do you believe that God has
two different kinds of salvation
00:55:41.18\00:55:44.06
or is everybody saved
under the new covenant?
00:55:44.09\00:55:46.49
Well, there's two
different dispensations.
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You've got the Gentile
dispensation and salvation,
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and then you've got the Jewish
dispensation and salvation.
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You keep quoting from
the Jewish dispensation
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and trying to put that burden
on these dear people here.
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We're Gentiles and we're
under the new covenant now.
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Alright, Pastor Barney, you
plan to go to heaven some day.
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Absolutely, yes I do.
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And I hope I see you
there, because I am not going to
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get there without you
because we're the same person.
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But here's the problem
that you're going to have.
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The New Jerusalem is built
on twelve foundations that have
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the names of the
twelve Jewish apostles.
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And the twelve
gates of the New Jerusalem
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have the names of
the twelve tribes.
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Please tell me,
where is the Gentile gate?
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Well, one of them
might have been a Gentile.
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No, Pastor Barney, all the
sons of Israel were Jewish.
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There is no Gentile gate.
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That's why the new
covenant is made with people who
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become spiritual Jews.
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And we are all
grafted into that olive tree.
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God doesn't have two
different kinds of salvation.
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So here's the big
question, friends.
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Would we want to willfully
sin, or does God want to
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save us from our sins?
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Jesus said, "If you love
Me, keep My commandments."
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We want to ask the question,
is it possible for us to be
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new creatures and to be
transformed by the grace of God?
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I believe it is, friends.
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And I want to make a special
appeal to each one of you.
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Believe that God can
give you a new heart,
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that's the new covenant,
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and help you to be, not only
a hearer, but a doer of the law.
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Yes, we've all sinned.
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And God sent His Son
to save us from our sins
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so that we can be new
creatures with new hearts,
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and be transformed by His power.
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And that's our
appeal for each one of you.
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We've got a lot
more to talk about.
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So we pray you'll continue to
tune in for this special series
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dealing with
doctrines that divide.
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We'll cover more in
our next presentation.
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