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Series Code: AIM
Program Code: AIM000654A
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00:15 IT IS SO GOOD TO BE WITH YOU AGAIN HERE AT ADVENTURES IN MISSIONS. 00:20 I'M OLE OLESEN TODAY AND YESTERDAY TOO, BUT THE JOY OF TALKING ABOUT WHAT GOD 00:27 IS DOING AROUND THE WORLD IS JUST A GREAT PRIVILEGE AND I HOPE THAT TODAY WHEN 00:33 YOU LISTEN TO THIS NO MATTER WHAT YOUR DEVICE WHETHER YOU'RE SITTING ON 00:37 YOUR COUCH OR LOOKING AT IT ON YOUR HAND HELD, WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING I 00:42 HOPE YOU'LL HEAR GOD'S SPIRIT WHISPERING IN YOUR EAR-THIS IS SOMETHING THAT 00:47 YOU CAN BE INVOLVED IN. 00:49 MY GUEST TODAY IS MARTY PHILIPS. 00:52 MARTY WELCOME HERE. 00:55 THANK YOU SO MUCH. 00:59 YOU, YOU SOUND LIKE YOU HAVE AN AMERICAN ACCENT. 01:01 I BET YOU LIVE HERE IN THE STATES SOMEPLACE. 01:04 I LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTRY. 01:06 I LIVE IN TENNESSEE. 01:07 TENNESSEE. 01:07 IN THE GREATER CHATTANOOGA AREA. 01:10 BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOUR FOCUS LIKE YOUR WHOLE HEART IS FOCUSED VERY FAR 01:16 AWAY FROM CHATTANOOGA TENNESSEE. 01:18 IT IS, IT IS. 01:19 WE RUN A MISSION ORGANIZATION THAT SPECIALIZES IN REACHING 01:26 UNREACHED PEOPLE GROUPS THAT HAVE BEEN TRADITIONALLY DIFFICULT 01:31 FOR THE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES TO REACH. 01:34 THAT IS PRIMARILY ISLAM, BUDDHISM, HINDUISM AND VERY REMOTE TRIBAL GROUPS 01:41 THAT HAVE BEEN RESISTANT TO THE CHRISTIAN MESSAGE. 01:43 AND SO OUR MISSION ORGANIZATION SPECIALIZES IN SUPPORTING MOVEMENTS 01:49 TOWARDS CHRIST AMONG THESE PEOPLE. 01:51 WOW. 01:52 AND SO, MY, DO YOU HAVE A NAME FOR THIS GROUP? 01:58 WELL OUR ORGANIZATION IS NAMED "NPRAXIS" . 02:02 I HEAR A LITTLE GREEK IN THERE. 02:06 IT IS. 02:07 "PRAXIS" THE WAY IT'S BEEN USED IN MISSION CIRCLES USUALLY IS TO EXPERIMENT 02:12 WITH MISSION, COME BACK, EVALUATE IT, REFINE IT AND KEEP CONTINUALLY GOING 02:17 THROUGH THE REFINING PROCESS AND WE WANTED TO MAKE IT SOUND MODERN 02:22 DIFFERENT LIKE IPHONE AND THESE TYPES OF THINGS AND SO IT JUST HIT US WHY NOT 02:29 CALL IT "NPRAXIS." 02:30 NPRAXIS. 02:31 AND SO HOW DEEP INTO THIS RECYCLING OF IDEAS AND TESTING THEM ARE YOU? 02:35 IS THIS A ONE YEAR PROJECT OR MORE THAN THAT? 02:38 WELL WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS. 02:40 WE ORGANIZED NPRAXIS IN 2010 AND SINCE THEN WE HAVE BEEN FUNCTIONING. 02:47 TODAY WE WORK IN AROUND 28 COUNTRIES. 02:50 MANY OF THESE COUNTRIES WE PARTNER WITH GOSPEL OUTREACH. 02:54 HOW DOES GOSPEL OUTREACH GET INVOLVED WITH YOU? 02:57 WELL WE HAD ALREADY, I PREVIOUSLY IN MY PREVIOUS EMPLOYMENT, BEFORE WE 03:03 WORKED WITH NPRAXIS, I DID THIS FOR THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH. 03:06 AND I WAS A COORDINATOR FOR UNDERGROUND HOUSE CHURCHES IN CLOSED 03:11 COUNTRIES FOR A SPECIFIC PART OF THE WORLD AND THEN FOR THE WORLD CHURCH. 03:17 PART OF THE TEAM DID THIS AND MY SPECIFIC DUTY WAS IN CHARGE OF COORDINATING 03:22 THE UNDERGROUND HOUSE CHURCHES. 03:23 IF PEOPLE ARE LIKE ME THE TERM UNDERGROUND HOUSE CHURCH KIND OF DIED OUT OF 03:29 EASTERN EUROPE WHEN COMMUNISM DISAPPEARED. 03:31 YES. 03:33 IT STILL EXISTS IN CHINA, THAT'S A PLACE WHERE WE COMMONLY HEAR IT. 03:36 BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UNOFFICIAL CHURCHES. 03:42 UNOFFICIAL YES. 03:43 UNOFFICIAL CHURCHES IN DIFFICULT TO REACH AREAS OF THE WORLD. 03:47 ABSOLUTELY. 03:48 AND THERE ARE A FEW OF THOSE LEFT AREN'T THERE. 03:50 THERE ARE FOR EXAMPLE AROUND 54 PREDOMINATELY ISLAMIC COUNTRIES WHERE 03:56 IT'S AGAINST THE LAW FOR THE MAJORITY PEOPLE GROUPS TO BE A PART OF A 04:00 COMMUNITY OF CHRIST FOLLOWERS. 04:01 SO IF THEY DO IT, IT HAS TO BE OUT OF SIGHT. 04:02 IT HAS TO BE OUT OF SIGHT AND THE SAME APPLIES FOR A LOT OF, WE HAVE A BIG WORK 04:07 LIKE FOR EXAMPLE IN INDIA BUT IT'S AMONG USUALLY NO CASTE OR LOW CASTE 04:17 PEOPLES. 04:19 SO NO CASTE ARE EXISTING CHRISTIANS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE COUNTRY FOR 04:25 CENTURIES. 04:26 YOU ALSO HAVE TRIBAL GROUPS AND SO MOST OF THE ADVENTIST CHURCH AND OTHER 04:31 CHURCHES HAVE GROWN UP FROM THESE EXISTING GROUPS FROM NO CASTE PEOPLES. 04:37 SO WHEN YOU WANT TO REACH TO SOMEBODY WHO HAS A STRONG IDENTITY WITH THE 04:42 TRADITIONAL RELIGION THERE THAT'S MORE DIFFICULT. 04:45 EXTREMELY MORE DIFFICULT. 04:46 THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF DISINHERITANCE. 04:49 IN SOME PLACES IT CAN EVEN BECOME VIOLENT. 04:52 YES. 04:53 THOUGH HINDUS TEND TO BE LESS VIOLENT THAN MUSLIMS. 04:56 THE LITTLE BIT OF READING I'VE DONE TELLS ME THAT EVERY GROUP WHEN IT GETS 05:02 PROTECTIVE CAN BECOME VIOLENT. 05:04 IT'S TRUE. 05:04 EVERY GROUP. 05:05 WE CAN SEE THIS EVEN IN CHRISTIAN NATIONS. 05:07 YES. 05:09 SO HAVING DONE THIS HOW IN THE WORLD ARE YOU ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE EVEN KNOW 05:18 ABOUT AN INVISIBLE GATHERING? 05:20 WELL WE DON'T FOCUS ON GATHERINGS WE FOCUS ON FAMILIES. 05:26 OKAY. 05:28 AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS GOD HAS POURED OUT VISIONS AND DREAMS AMONG UNREACHED 05:33 PEOPLE GROUPS THAT HAVE BEEN TRADITIONALLY RESISTANT TO THE GOSPEL 05:35 AND IN THE LAST MAYBE 10 TO 15 YEARS WE HAVE SEEN MORE HIGH CASTE HINDUS, 05:37 MUSLIMS COME TO FAITH IN JESUS THAN WE HAVE IN THE LAST 15 HUNDRED YEARS. 05:39 THAT'S A LONG TIME. 05:41 THAT'S A LONG TIME AND WE HAVE SEEN A CONVERGENCE OF SEVERAL THINGS COME 05:57 TOGETHER FOR THIS TO HAPPEN. 05:58 I THINK THAT THE BODY OF CHRIST OR PEOPLE WITHIN THE BODY OF CHRIST HAVE 06:03 BEEN ABLE TO SEE GOD'S FOOTPRINTS AMONG OTHER PEOPLE GROUPS INSTEAD OF 06:09 JUST SAYING OH THESE PEOPLE ARE HEATHEN AND WE THROW OUT THE BABY WITH 06:13 THE BATHWATER. 06:15 ACTUALLY WE SEE THAT, AND SOMETHING UNIQUE THAT GOD HAS GIVEN US AS ADVENTISTS 06:19 IS A GREAT CONTROVERSY PARADIGM. 06:20 IT'S A WONDERFUL PICTURE AND SO WHAT WE CAN SEE THEN AS WE LOOK AT A 06:24 PEOPLE WHERE HAS GOD AND SATAN BEEN WORKING AND THEN WE IDENTIFY THOSE 06:29 FOOTPRINTS OF GOD THROUGH THEIR HISTORY. 06:32 THOSE GEMS OF TRUTH THAT THEIR HOLDING IN THEIR CULTURE AND IN THEIR 06:36 RELIGIOUS TRADITION. 06:38 INSTEAD OF THROWING EVERYTHING OUT WE BUILD UPON THAT FOUNDATION. 06:41 INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR THE NEGATIVES IN THAT CULTURE YOU LOOK FOR THE EVIDENCE 06:46 OF GOD BEING THERE BEFORE YOU. 06:47 EXACTLY. 06:49 AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK TO SEE WHERE GOD HAS BEEN WORKING IN THE PAST ALL OF 06:52 A SUDDEN IT'S WOW, GOD HAS NEVER LEFT THESE PEOPLE ALONE. 06:56 SATAN HAS BEEN WORKING HARD BUT GOD HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE CALLING THEM TO 07:00 HIMSELF. 07:01 AND SO YOU BUILD UPON THAT FOUNDATION AND WHEN THE BODY OF CHRIST IS READY TO 07:05 RECOGNIZE THAT LOOK, GOD HAS BEEN WALKING AMONG THE HINDU PEOPLE FOR 07:09 MILLENNIA. 07:11 HE'S BEEN WALKING FOR CENTURIES AMONG THE MUSLIM PEOPLE AND WE BUILD UPON 07:14 THAT FOUNDATION. 07:16 IT'S A BIG CHANGE IN MISSION AND YOU SEE ALREADY, NOW YOU START 07:21 SEEING THOSE FOOTPRINTS, HOW CAN WE BUILD GOD'S KINGDOM HERE. 07:25 HOW CAN WE HELP THEM DEVELOP INTO A MOVEMENT THAT REALLY PREPARES FOR 07:29 END TIME EVENTS. 07:30 YOU KNOW YOU TALK ABOUT VISIONS AND DREAMS. 07:34 YES. 07:35 I DON'T THINK MANY OF US IN THE FIRST WORLD HAVE HAD THAT INFLUENCE IN OUR 07:43 LIVES. 07:45 IT'S NOT THAT OFTEN DO WE HAVE SOME KIND OF A DIVINE ENCOUNTER WHETHER IT'S IN 07:50 A DREAM OR A VISION. 07:53 YOU'RE SAYING THAT HAPPENS MORE FREQUENTLY IN THESE ENVIRONMENTS. 07:55 IT DOES AND IN THESE ENVIRONMENTS MOST OF THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH, WHO 08:00 BECOME LIKE NATIONAL LEADERS OR REGIONAL LEADERS, THEY HAVE HAD 08:04 VERY POWERFUL ENCOUNTERS. 08:06 THEY'VE HAD VISIONS, THEY'VE HAD DREAMS. 08:10 AND ONE OF THE MEN THAT I WORKED WITH AND NOW WITH HIS NEPHEWS OR SONS, HE 08:17 PASSED AWAY. 08:18 HE HAD ABOUT A HUNDRED VISIONS AND DREAMS IN A VERY CLOSED ISLAMIC 08:21 COUNTRY WHICH BROUGHT HIM TO BIBLICAL TRUTH AND TO MOST OF ADVENTIST BELIEFS 08:27 BEFORE HE HAD EVER MET A CHRISTIAN, BEFORE WE EVER SAW A BIBLE LET ALONE 08:31 BEFORE HE EVER MET AN ADVENTIST. 08:32 THAT'S CALLED TUTORING ISN'T IT. 08:34 AND SO GOD HAD PREPARED HIM AND HIS PEOPLE. 08:37 NOT ONLY THAT GOD HAD BEEN PREPARING THEIR PEOPLE OVER HUNDREDS OF YEARS. 08:43 IF THIS HAPPENS IN A CONTEMPORARY SETTING-THIS MAN APPARENTLY HAD DECADES 08:49 OF STORY WITH THIS AND NOW HE'S GONE. 08:52 BUT IN TODAY YOU KNOW IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS YOU'VE HEARD STORIES IT SOUNDS 08:59 LIKE OF PEOPLE WHO HAD THAT SAME EXPERIENCE. 09:01 I HAVE. 09:02 THERE'S PEOPLE CONSTANTLY. 09:04 GOD CALLS PEOPLE TO HIMSELF. 09:06 I HAVE A FRIEND IN ONE OF THE MOST CLOSED COUNTRIES AND BEFORE I MET HIM HE 09:10 HAD HAD ABOUT 32 OR 33 DREAMS OF JESUS. 09:17 AND JESUS WOULD COME TO HIM AT NIGHT AND WOULD SAY FOLLOW ME AND SAY HIS 09:20 NAME. 09:21 AND HE SAID WELL YOU'RE NOT MY PROPHET. 09:23 FOLLOW ME, FOLLOW ME OVER ABOUT A PERIOD OF 18 MONTHS. 09:28 THAT'S PERSISTENCE ON GOD'S PART. 09:29 SO FINALLY ON THE 33RD TIME HE SAYS IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW ME NOW THIS IS THE 09:35 LAST TIME I'M GOING TO CALL YOU. 09:37 OH. 09:38 AND SO HE THEN SAID I WILL FOLLOW YOU IF YOU HAVE COME SO MANY TIMES. 09:43 OH MY. 09:44 AND SO TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT HE THOUGHT HE WAS THE ONLY BELIEVER IN 09:48 HIS COUNTRY. 09:50 GOD LEAD HIM THROUGH DIVINE PROVIDENCE TO MEET WITH SOME ADVENTIST 09:55 BELIEVERS. 09:57 FIRST WITH SOME OTHERS AND EVENTUALLY I MET WITH HIM HALF WAY ACROSS THE WORLD 10:05 IN A MEETING ----ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 10:07 WE JUST MET IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY AND IT WAS LIKE WOW. 10:13 OH MY. 10:15 BY PURE PROVIDENCE. 10:17 IT SOUNDS LIKE IT TAKES TWO THINGS FOR MANY OF THEM. 10:20 ONE IS THAT PRIVATE ENCOUNTER WITH GOD. 10:23 YES. 10:24 AND THEN THERE HAS TO BE PROVIDENTIAL LEADING TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE CONTACT 10:29 YOUR ORGANIZATION OR THE PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW. 10:32 EXACTLY. 10:33 AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE SEE IF THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO SEE BEYOND 10:36 TRADITIONAL FORMS. 10:37 MANY TIMES WE WANT TO SEE A CHURCH WITH A BUILDING AND A TYPICAL STYLE OF 10:41 WORSHIP BUT WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THESE PEOPLE JUST MEET IN THEIR HOMES. 10:48 THEY HAVE A WORSHIP THAT IS MEANINGFUL FOR THEM BASED UPON THE BIBLE. 10:53 INDUCTIVE BIBLE STUDY HAS BECOME VERY VERY IMPORTANT. 10:56 AND SO THE SCRIPTURES, THE JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN SCRIPTURES ARE GETTING 11:02 INTO THEIR HANDS IT SOUNDS LIKE. 11:03 IT IS, IT IS. 11:04 THAT'S A STORY ALL BY ITSELF. 11:06 IT'S A STORY ALL BY ITSELF. 11:08 LET ME TAKE A LITTLE BREAK HERE. 11:11 I UNDERSTAND THAT I WANT TO SPEAK TO MY AUDIENCE WHO IS WATCHING. 11:17 THERE ARE CHILDREN IN OUR MIDST WHO ARE ALSO LOOKING FOR A VISION OF WHAT THEY 11:24 CAN DO, HOW THEY CAN PARTICIPATE AND I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE 11:31 PROMOTIONAL THAT COULD INVITE CHILDREN TO BE THE SPARK FOR THIS KIND OF 11:40 ADVENTURE THAT MARTY IS TALKING ABOUT. 11:43 AND I JUST WANT TO SEE IF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME CAN WE ROLL THAT? 11:46 I NEED TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL HERE AT HOME. 11:51 WHERE IS THE 10/40 WINDOW ANYWAY? 11:54 THOSE PEOPLE LIVE TOO FAR AWAY. 11:57 SOMEONE ELSE CAN TELL THEM ABOUT JESUS. 12:00 MAYBE THEY COULD JUST WATCH TV. 12:03 NEARLY THREE BILLION PEOPLE TO REACH. 12:07 MY HEAD HURTS. 12:09 THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO. 12:11 I GIVE UP. 12:12 WHAT'S THE POINT OF TRYING? 12:14 I CAN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 12:16 ACTUALLY YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 12:18 AND JESUS ASKED YOU TO GO TO ALL THE WORLD. 12:23 WHERE? 12:24 ALL THE WORLD. 12:26 HOW CAN I GO, I HAVE COMMITMENTS. 12:28 YOU CAN PRAY. 12:30 YOU CAN VOLUNTEER YOUR TALENTS. 12:33 YOU CAN TELL OTHERS. 12:38 YOU CAN GIVE MONEY TO SPONSOR BIBLE WORKERS. 12:42 MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE SEARCHING FOR HOPE AND MEANING. 12:45 BUT THEY WON'T FIND IT WITHOUT YOU. 12:47 BE THE SPARK. 12:48 LIGHT THE FIRE. 12:50 FINISH THE WORK. 12:51 FINISH THE WORK. 12:53 BE THE SPARK. 12:58 IT IS GOOD TO SEE THAT CHILDREN CAN GET INVOLVED IN SUCH A VISION AS WELL. 13:04 DOES THIS EVER HAPPEN TO CHILDREN? 13:07 DO CHILDREN EVER GET THESE ENCOUNTERS WITH GOD? 13:11 THEY DO, THEY DO. 13:12 WHAT WE HAVE FOUND THOUGH, THE PROFILE OF PEOPLE THAT GOD FIRST CALLS WITH THESE 13:20 POWERFUL ENCOUNTERS ARE USUALLY PEOPLE OF INFLUENCE OR PEOPLE WHO 13:24 WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE SIGNIFICANT INFLUENCE. 13:28 PEOPLE WHO LOVE THEIR LAND AND LOVE THEIR PEOPLE. 13:30 OKAY. 13:31 AND SO THE ONES WHO HAVE THESE POWERFUL CALLS ARE PEOPLE WHO USUALLY CAN 13:32 INFLUENCE VERY LARGE POPULATION GROUPS. 13:34 AND SO GOD REALLY GIVES THESE ALMOST LIKE PAUL/SAUL STYLE CALLS TO 13:36 PEOPLE WHO WILL HAVE A SIMILAR TYPE OF INFLUENCE LIKE PAUL DID FOR THEIR 13:38 PEOPLE GROUP. 13:38 SO YOU'LL SEE THIS. 13:39 OTHERS WILL HAVE MINOR DREAMS, OTHER ENCOUNTERS. 13:41 BUT THE PERSON WHO LEADS A MOVEMENT HE HAS THIS UNQUESTIONABLE CALL FROM 13:47 GOD SAYING FOLLOW ME, HERE IS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. 13:51 I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION. 13:53 MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS MAYBE YOU CAN'T BUT IS GOD LIMITING THIS ACTION TO 14:17 PEOPLE WHO WILL EVENTUALLY ENCOUNTER SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS OR IS THIS 14:21 SOMETHING BROADER THAT IS BRINGING PEOPLE TO JESUS AND TO THE SCRIPTURES? 14:25 THIS IS SOMETHING MUCH BROADER. 14:30 YOU SEE THAT THERE IS A WIDE RANGE OF EVANGELICALS THAT HAVE GONE AND SPREAD 14:37 OUT WITH A PASSION TO REACH THE UNREACHED AND AS THEY ARRIVE AT A PLACE, 14:42 GOD WILL POUR OUT VISIONS AND DREAMS AND THE PEOPLE ARE INTRODUCED TO THE 14:47 BIBLE. 14:48 INTRODUCED TO A SAVING RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST. 14:51 AND SO WE SEE THAT THIS IS CROSS DENOMINATIONALLY. 14:54 THERE IS A MASSIVE MOVE OF GOD'S SPIRIT. 14:58 IT'S CROSS DENOMINATIONALLY. 15:01 WE HAPPEN TO BE A MAJOR COMPONENT OF THAT BUT WE SEE IT HAPPENING. 15:07 ANYONE WE HAVE SEEN THAT GOES TO THE ESPECIALLY THE MUSLIM WORLD TO WORK 15:13 WHATEVER YOUR FAITH BACKGROUND OR FAITH TRADITION FROM MENNONITE 15:17 TO BAPTIST GOD WILL PREPARE A LOCAL PERSON AS YOU ARE COMING IF YOU'RE 15:19 WILLING TO RECOGNIZE GOD'S FOOTPRINTS IN THE PEOPLE BEFORE YOU HAVE ARRIVED. 15:21 AND MOST MISSIONARIES THAT ARE GOING TO SOME OR LESSER DEGREE ARE 15:23 RECOGNIZING AT THIS POINT THAT GOD WAS THERE LONG BEFORE WE EVER ARRIVED. 15:25 YOU KNOW WHEN SOMEBODY HAS A VISION, WHEN GOD BRINGS THEM TOGETHER. 15:45 THERE ARE PEOPLE YOU SAY GOSPEL OUTREACH FUNDS ARE HELPING FUND SOME OF THIS. 15:49 ARE SOME OF THEM BEING ENCOURAGED IN THEIR OUTREACH OR THEIR 15:54 RECEPTIVITY BY FUNDS THAT WE PROVIDE THROUGH GOSPEL OUTREACH? 15:58 THEY DO. 15:59 GOSPEL OUTREACH PROVIDES TODAY ALMOST 300 GOSPEL WORKERS THAT WORK AMONG 16:02 THESE PEOPLES THAT WE HAVE MENTIONED. 16:04 SO A GOOD PORTION I MEAN A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF GOSPEL OUTREACH ENERGY AND 16:06 FUNDS GO TO WORKING AMONG THESE VERY CLOSED PEOPLE GROUPS. 16:07 THAT'S A BIG POPULATION TO WORK IN. 16:08 IT IS. 16:09 THREE HUNDRED PROBABLY DOESN'T GO VERY FAR. 16:10 IT DOESN'T GO VERY FAR. 16:12 I MEAN RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR EXPANSION. 16:13 WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE SAYING COME OVER TO OUR PLACE TO START WORK. 16:15 THE MACEDONIAN CALL IS STILL BEING HEARD. 16:27 IT IS STILL BEING HEARD. 16:36 WE COULD DOUBLE, TRIPLE, QUADRUPLE THAT OVERNIGHT FOR THE PRESENT NEEDS WE 16:44 HAVE RIGHT NOW. 16:45 AND WOULD THAT, HOW SHALL I PUT THIS, WOULD THAT CHANGE, WOULD THAT 16:47 EXPANSION, WOULD THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE MORE FUNDS WERE AVAILABLE OR IS IT 16:56 BECAUSE GOD WOULD RAISE UP MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO INVEST THEIR 17:01 LIVES IN THIS. 17:02 WELL THERE IS KIND OF A SYMBIOTIC, I'M SURE, THING THAT HAPPENS. 17:07 I SEE THAT GOD BRINGS MANY COMPONENTS TOGETHER BUT I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE 17:12 OF A STORY THAT WILL HELP ANSWER THAT. 17:14 OKAY. 17:16 IN ONE OF THE COUNTRIES THAT WE WORK IN, NUMEROUS GROUPS CAME UNDER OUR 17:22 NPRAXIS UMBRELLA AND WE MERGED ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE EXISTING HOUSE CHURCH 17:28 MOVEMENTS. 17:29 OKAY. 17:30 AND A LOT OF ADVENTIST AND NONADVENTIST MINISTRIES HAVE ASKED US TO OVERSEE 17:36 THEIR MINISTRIES AND PROVIDE THEM SERVICES. 17:38 OKAY. 17:39 SO IN ONE OF THESE COUNTRIES WHERE WE MERGED ABOUT FIVE MINISTRIES 17:43 TOGETHER, THE WAY THEY HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISTRIBUTING THESE 17:48 WORKERS-WELL YOU WORK HERE. 17:50 THEY HAD BEEN KIND OF DISTRIBUTED LIKE WE DO CHURCH WORKERS. 17:53 OKAY. 17:54 AND SO WHEN I INTERVIEWED THEM I FOUND THAT IT'S MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE FOR 18:01 THEM TO WORK IN THEIR EXISTING SPHERES OF INFLUENCE THAN TO MOVE 18:05 THEM TO STRANGE WORK PLACES WHERE WE MIGHT NEED AN OPENING. 18:09 SO ONE OF THE YOUNG MEN THAT I INTERVIEWED HE SAYS WELL, I REALLY WANT TO 18:14 WORK FOR THIS SEGMENT OF SOCIETY, FOR SUFIS. 18:19 AND HE SAYS MY FATHER WAS A SIGNIFICANT LEADER WITHIN A MOVEMENT, A 18:24 RELIGIOUS MOVEMENT AND SINCE I WAS A CHILD HE INTRODUCED ME ALL UP AND 18:29 DOWN THE ORGANIZATIONAL LEVELS OF THIS RELIGIOUS MOVEMENT. 18:33 AND BY THE TIME I WAS 12 HE WAS TAKING ME TO ALL THE NATIONAL MEETINGS LIKE 18:39 WE WOULD CALL THEM OUR WORKERS MEETINGS IN THE ADVENTIST CHURCH. 18:42 AND HE SAID ACCORDING TO OUR TRADITION IT SHOULD BE ME, I'M THE ELDEST SON, 18:47 THAT I WOULD INHERIT AND MY FATHER WOULD BE, TO USE OUR ADVENTIST TERMS, HE'S 18:51 LIKE A CONFERENCE OR UNION PRESIDENT IN OUR ORGANIZATION. 18:56 SO I SAID TO THIS MAN TO THE REST OF THE GROUP, YOU NEED TO GO WORK AND 18:58 CONCENTRATE ON THIS. 19:00 THINK IF YOUR FATHER WERE TO GIVE YOU HIS POSITION ONE DAY AND THEN YOU COULD 19:05 LEAD YOUR WHOLE PEOPLE TO CHRIST. 19:08 WELL, THIS ONLY HAPPENED ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO 19:11 JULY 2013. 19:13 AND SO HE STOPPED WORKING IN THE REMOTE PART OF THE COUNTRY WHERE HE WAS. 19:14 HE MOVED BACK TO HIS HOME. 19:15 HE BROUGHT HIS PARENTS TO FAITH. 19:16 HIS FATHER WAS STILL A FEW YEARS FROM RETIREMENT BUT GAVE AN EARLY HANDOVER OF 19:18 THE MOVEMENT TO HIS SON AND NOW A BIG PORTION, WE HAVE NOW 400 HOUSE 19:20 CHURCHES. 19:21 HE OVERSEES THE WORK OF HIS FATHER BUT 400 HOUSE CHURCHES WE HAVE FORMED 19:22 FROM WHAT WOULD BE HIS FATHER'S TERRITORY. 19:24 AND HE'S NOW BEING ASKED TO SPEAK ALL OVER THAT MOVEMENT OR DENOMINATION 19:26 YOU MIGHT WANT TO CALL IT. 19:27 AND HE HAS BECOME A VERY POPULAR PREACHER. 19:28 NOW THIS MOVEMENT IS LARGE. 19:29 NOW HIS FATHER IS ONE SEGMENT OF THIS BUT THIS MOVEMENT YOU MIGHT BE 19:31 AMAZED TO KNOW HAS A SABBATH CONNECTION. 19:32 THIS HAS EVEN SPED THE WORK A LOT BECAUSE WHILE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE 19:38 FULL DEPTH OF THE SABBATH THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TAUGHT FOR HUNDREDS OF 19:43 YEARS IN THIS RELIGIOUS MOVEMENT WITHIN ISLAM TO REFRAIN FROM MAJOR TRAVEL 19:45 ON SABBATH, MAJOR PURCHASES AND TO TAKE THE DAY AS A QUIET DAY. 19:47 INTERESTING. 19:49 SO NOW HE HAS GONE AROUND PREACHING SAYING YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE 20:11 REAL REASON WHY OUR PEOPLE HAVE BEEN REFRAINING FROM WORK ON SATURDAY, AND THIS 20:26 AND THIS AND THESE ARE THE REASONS. 20:28 AND FIRST HE OPENS THE KORAN AND HE CAN TELL THEM FROM THE KORAN. 20:30 THERE'S ENOUGH EVIDENCE IN THE KORAN FOR THE SACREDNESS OF SABBATH AND 20:32 THEN IT'S MORE CLEARLY EXPLAINED IN THE BIBLE. 20:55 AND SO THIS HAS CREATED AN INCREDIBLE OPENING. 20:58 AND HE KEEPS TELLING ME, MARTY IF I HAD 15, 20, 30, 40 WORKERS WE COULD SPREAD 21:08 ACROSS, TAKE OUR EXISTING BELIEVERS FROM HERE AND WE COULD JUST TAKE IT ALL 21:12 ACROSS THIS WHOLE MOVEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY. 21:14 OH MY. 21:15 IN IT THERE ARE ABOUT 10 MILLION FOLLOWERS. 21:17 HE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO FIND THOSE 20 OR 30 WITHIN THE CULTURE ITSELF. 21:23 WITHIN THE CULTURE. 21:24 THESE WOULDN'T BE BRINGING AMERICANS. 21:26 THESE ARE BRINGING PEOPLE THAT WORKED FOR HIS FATHER FIRST, NOW WORK FOR HIM 21:31 WHO HAVE BECOME YOU MIGHT CALL THEM ADVENTIST BELIEVERS. 21:34 THEN THEY WOULD SPREAD OUT ACROSS THEIR ORGANIZATION AS EVANGELISTS. 21:41 OKAY. 21:43 NOW THAT'S FASCINATING TO HEAR THAT CONNECTION WITH CULTURAL RELIGIOUS ROOTS 21:48 AND SABBATH OBSERVANCE IN A DIFFERENT WAY BUT STILL VERY REAL TO THEM. 21:54 THAT BECOMES A LINK WITH SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS. 21:56 IT DOES. 21:58 WHAT ARE THE OTHER LINKS THAT GOD LEADS THEM TO IN THE KORAN IT SOUNDS LIKE 22:01 FOR THOSE WHO HAVE MUSLIM BACKGROUND? 22:03 WELL TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE MORE CHRISTIANS MOST MUSLIMS WHILE THEY KNOW A 22:09 BIG PORTION OF THE KORAN MANY PEARLS OF TRUTH OR GEMS HAVE BEEN HIDDEN TO 22:15 THEM. 22:16 BUT IT IS AMAZING THAT MOST ADVENTIST, THERE CAN BE FOUND EVIDENCE FOR MOST 22:20 ADVENTIST BELIEFS IN THE KORAN. 22:22 IN THE KORAN. 22:23 NOW MUSLIMS TODAY ALL AGREE THAT THERE IS A SECOND COMING. 22:26 JESUS IS COMING SOON. 22:28 NOW THEIR ESCHATOLOGY OF HOW THIS ALL WILL HAPPEN LOOKS A BIT MORE LIKE AN 22:29 EVANGELICAL, THAT THERE WILL BE A THOUSAND YEARS OF CHRIST REIGNING ON 22:31 EARTH AND THESE TYPE OF THINGS. 22:33 IT'S NOT A THOUSAND YEARS BUT THE ESCHATOLOGY IS DIFFERENT BUT THERE IS AN 22:34 IMMINENT SECOND COMING. 22:47 SO THERE'S THAT BELIEF THAT JESUS IS A PROPHET. 22:50 THERE'S JESUS IS A PROPHET AND HE'S RETURNING. 22:52 AND HE'S RETURNING. 22:54 THEY ALREADY BELIEVE HE IS BORN OF A VIRGIN BIRTH AND THAT HE WAS A SINLESS ONE. 23:02 SOME BODY TOLD ME THAT THERE'S MORE ABOUT HIS MOTHER IN THE KORAN THAN 23:05 THERE IS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. 23:06 THERE IS, THERE IS. 23:08 IT TALKS ABOUT JESUS HIMSELF AROUND 93 OR 94 TIMES IN THE KORAN. 23:14 IT TALKS ABOUT THE CREATION. 23:17 THEY FOLLOW THE ONE TRUE GOD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC 23:21 AND JACOB AND ISHMAEL. 23:22 THE ARAB MUSLIMS ARE BLOOD LINE DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM THROUGH ISHMAEL 23:33 THROUGH A WIFE WE USUALLY DON'T NOTICE OF ABRAHAM, KETURAH. 23:38 YES, YES. 23:39 AND SHE HAD SIX SONS SO THE SONS OF ISAAC, THE SONS OF KETURAH, THE SONS 23:46 OF ESAU BECOME THE FOREFATHERS OF THE ARAB PEOPLE. 23:53 YOU KNOW WHAT I'M REGRETTING ABOUT OUR CONVERSATION? 23:55 WE FOCUS SO MUCH ON ISLAM THAT WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED VERY MUCH ABOUT HINDUISM 24:02 OR BUDDHISM. 24:04 BUT JUST BRIEFLY, YOU'RE HAVING SIMILAR EVENTS AMONG THEM? 24:10 WE ARE. 24:12 ESPECIALLY AMONG HIGH CASTE HINDUS WE'RE SEEING A MASSIVE MOVE OF GOD IN 24:16 NEARLY THE SAME WAY THAT WE'RE SEEING AMONG MUSLIMS. 24:19 AND IT'S PROBABLY BEEN GROWING FASTER AT THIS MOMENT. 24:23 THOSE STORIES MUST BE FOR ANOTHER TIME SOUNDS LIKE. 24:26 THEY MUST BE FOR ANOTHER TIME BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS WE HAVE SEEN A POWERFUL 24:32 MOVE OF GOD. 24:34 THERE'S A LOT MORE OPPRESSION IN HINDUISM THAN WE WOULD SEE PROBABLY 24:37 IN ISLAM DUE TO A LOT OF SPIRITISM THAT HAS COME IN. 24:42 ISLAM, WHILE THERE IS SPIRITISM IT'S UNDER THE TABLE. 24:46 THEY KNOW THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS SO THERE IS SPIRITISM 24:50 BUT IT'S UNDER THE TABLE SPIRITISM. 24:52 THEY'RE NOT OFFICIALLY TO BE INVOLVED WITH THE JINN. 24:55 YES. 24:56 BUT IN HINDUISM THERE'S NO BARRIERS PERHAPS. 24:58 THERE'S NO BARRIERS BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO THEIR EARLY BEGINNINGS THEY WERE A 25:03 MONOTHEISTIC PEOPLE AND THEIR MOST ANCIENT WRITINGS, THEIR MOST 25:08 ANCIENT LITERATURE, VEDIC LITERATURE IS CLEARLY MONOTHEISTIC. 25:12 WHEN THE BRAHMAN PRIESTS UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE LED THEIR PEOPLE ASTRAY 25:19 AND THAT THEY HAD BEEN CALLED THE -----, THEY WERE CALLED AS A PEOPLE TO 25:24 KEEP THE PEOPLE IN INDIA WORSHIPPING THE ONE TRUE CREATOR GOD WITHOUT 25:28 IDOLATRY THEIR CONVICTED TO THEIR HEART. 25:30 AND THIS IS PRODUCING A BIG REVIVAL AMONG THEIR PEOPLE. 25:34 AMAZING. 25:35 AS THEIR EYES ARE OPENED TO WHAT THEIR ANCIENT VEDIC LITERATURE IS ALL 25:39 ABOUT AND NOT READING IT THROUGH THE YEARS OF TRADITION BUT READING IT 25:43 WITH NEW EYES, INDUCTIVE BIBLE STUDY OR INDUCTIVE VEDICS READINGS OF THEIR 25:49 ANCIENT LITERATURE THAT IS INDEED MONOTHEISTIC AND THAT THEY DID GO ASTRAY, 25:53 TO PUT IT IN A VERY QUICK NUTSHELL. 25:55 I'M GOING TO TURN TO OUR VIEWERS AND LISTENERS TODAY. 25:59 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY SPARKS THAT HAVE HIT YOU ABOUT THESE AMAZING 26:08 STORIES THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING. 26:10 THE IDEA THAT GOD IS AT WORK AMONG THESE PEOPLE GROUPS WHO HAVE A 26:17 DIFFERENT HISTORY THAN WE HAVE AS CHRISTIANS, THAT GOD IS STILL THERE BECAUSE 26:22 HE LOVES THEM LIKE HE LOVES US. 26:24 THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING. 26:26 IF I CAN CALL YOU TO BE A PART OF THAT, YOU CAN CERTAINLY PARTICIPATE AS 26:33 YOU GIVE TO GOSPEL OUTREACH. 26:35 YOU CAN GO TO THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE OUR FACEBOOK PAGE. 26:38 YOU CAN GO TO MANY PLACES LIKE THE WEB PAGE OF OFFICE AT GOAIM.ORG. 26:52 YOU CAN GO THERE AND YOU CAN BECOME A PART. 26:55 I INVITE YOU TO BROADEN YOU OWN LIFE AND SAY WHERE IS GOD WORKING, WHERE ARE 27:01 HIS FOOTSTEPS. 27:03 CAN I BE A PART OF THAT STORY. 27:05 IF YOU DO THAT YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED. 27:30 GOD BLESS YOU. |
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