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Series Code: AIM
Program Code: AIM000583A
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00:15 WELCOME TO "ADVENTURES IN MISSIONS". 00:18 I'M DICK DUERKSEN AND TODAY I GET TO GO BACK IN TIME AND TALK WITH A 00:23 FRIEND AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. 00:26 GOOD. 00:27 SO DON HALENZ, YOU ARE, YOU AND YOUR WIFE ARE COUNTRY DIRECTORS FOR WHAT 00:32 PART OF THE WORLD? 00:33 FOR SOUTH INDIA-IT'S REGION 17: SOUTH INDIA WE HAVE THREE STATES AND THEN 00:37 I'M ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKERS IN SRI LANKA. 00:42 SO ACROSS THE RIVER, ACROSS THE RIVER INTO SRI LANKA AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE 00:47 GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON SRI LANKA. 00:49 OK, SO THAT'S A PLACE I HAVEN'T BEEN. 00:51 REALLY? 00:52 I HAVE STOOD AT THE RABENDRA, REALLY, AND LOOKED ACROSS BUT I HAVE 00:54 NEVER BEEN ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET THERE. 00:56 SO THIS IS ALL BRAND NEW. 00:57 YES. 00:58 BUT LET ME GET STARTED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU AS A PH.D. 01:02 IN CHEMISTRY, RIGHT? 01:03 YES THAT'S RIGHT - HOW MANY YEARS DID YOU TEACH AT P.U.C.? OH MY, I TAUGHT 01:08 FROM 1980 ON TO ABOUT 1999 AND THEN I BECAME THE ASSOCIATE ACADEMIC DEAN 01:17 FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, SO THAT'S REALLY HOME. 01:20 THAT'S REALLY MY HOME AND I STILL LIVE THERE IN ANGWIN, CALIFORNIA. 01:24 IN ANGWIN, CALIFORNIA THAT'S RIGHT. 01:26 WOW! 01:27 WELL, SEVEN OF THOSE BRENDA AND I HAD THE PRIVILEGE, AS YOU KNOW, OF 01:30 BEING ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM, THAT'S RIGHT, WHEN YOU 01:32 WERE MAKING SURE THE KIDS WERE IN CHEMISTRY AND YOU AND I MADE A TRIP TO HONG 01:35 KONG ONCE. 01:36 WE SURE DID, I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT. 01:38 REMEMBER HOW THE LIGHTS OF HONG KONG AT NIGHT. 01:41 YES WOW, IT'S REALLY SOMETHING. 01:44 ABSOLUTELY STUNNING. 01:45 YES, GOOD YEARS. 01:46 VERY GOOD YEARS. 01:47 GOOD MEMORIES. 01:49 THAT'S RIGHT. 01:50 A LOT OF GOOD TIMES. 01:51 BUT NOW YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. 01:53 THAT'S RIGHT. 01:54 YOU RETIRED. 01:56 I RETIRED I WENT TO CAMPMEETING AND AS THINGS HAPPEN, THE PERSON SITTING 02:02 NEXT TO ME WAS BEVERLY, BEVERLY THOMPSON AND WE GOT TALKING AND I WAS 02:07 CURIOUS ABOUT GOSPEL OUTREACH AND I SAID, "YOU KNOW I WAS INTERESTED IN 02:10 SERVING WITH GOSPEL OUTREACH AS A COUNTRY DIRECTOR AND I SENT A 02:14 LETTER IN AND NOTHING EVER HAPPENED." 02:16 SHE SAID, "YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD LET THEM KNOW BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S AN 02:18 OPENING NOW IN SOUTH INDIA." 02:20 NOW YOU WERE AT THAT POINT AT WHAT CAMPMEETING? 02:22 THE REDWOOD CAMPMEETING. 02:23 REDWOOD, OH YES. 02:25 REDWOOD CAMPMEETING, OK, THAT'S RIGHT. 02:27 AND SO WE WERE THERE AND SHE SAID YOU SHOULD LET THEM KNOW. 02:30 SO I LET THEM KNOW AND SIX MONTHS LATER I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM DAN PREAS HE 02:37 SAID, "WE'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU." 02:39 WOW. 02:40 SO THAT WAS MY INTRODUCTION TO GOSPEL OUTREACH AND FROM THERE ON 02:42 IT IS JUST HISTORY NOW. 02:44 HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING WITH US? 02:46 I'VE BEEN WITH GOSPEL OUTREACH FOR FOUR YEARS NOW. 02:48 WE'VE MADE FOUR TRIPS TO INDIA AND WE'VE LOVED IT. 02:50 IT'S BEEN VERY GOOD. 02:52 THE TRIP OVER IS A BIT LONG BUT IT'S GOOD-NO IT'S' NOT A BIT LONG IT IS 02:55 FOREVER! 02:57 WE SHOULD SAY THAT THE BED TO BED HOURS IS WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS PUT DOWN, BRENDA 03:02 AND I, YES, IF YOU GO TO INDIA YOU ARE LITERALLY LOOKING AT 48 HOURS, YES 03:07 FOR SURE, FROM BED TO BED. 03:08 ABSOLUTELY. 03:09 AND BY THE TIME YOU GET THERE YOU DON'T WHO YOU ARE, WHERE YOU ARE OR WHY. 03:12 I THINK IT IS HARDER COMING BACK TO THIS COUNTRY TOO. 03:16 WE MADE THE ADJUSTMENT FAIRLY READILY WHEN WE GOT THERE BUT COMING BACK IT 03:19 WAS HARD. 03:20 IT IS ALWAYS HARD, IT'S ALWAYS THE HARDEST. 03:23 SO THIS LAST TIME WHEN YOU WENT YOU WENT TO SRI LANKA. 03:26 THAT'S RIGHT, WE WENT TO SRI LANKA AND WE -WAS IT YOUR FIRST TIME THERE? 03:29 NO, IT WAS MY FOURTH TIME THAT YOU HIT BOTH AREAS, RIGHT? 03:33 YES, BOTH AREAS FOUR TIMES AND SO WE HAVE ONLY THREE GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKERS IN 03:38 SRI LANKA. 03:39 WE USED TO HAVE SOME MORE BUT THEY'VE DROPPED OFF AND WE HAVE THREE. 03:43 THIS YEAR WE JUST STARTED A NEW WORKER IN JANUARY AND SO WE GOT TO MEET WITH 03:48 THAT NEW WORKER AND WENT UP AND SAW HIM AND HE PRESENTED HIS PLANS FOR 03:53 WHAT HE'D LIKE TO DO AND I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE VERY GOOD. 03:56 SO, I ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF VIDEO I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU. 04:00 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. 04:02 OK, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE VIDEO. 04:04 HERE WE ARE DRIVING OUT OF THE GROUNDS OF THE SRI LANKA ADVENTIST MISSION 04:11 AND WE HAD THIS VAN RENTED FOR THE TRIP AND THEN WE STARTED ON DOWN THE 04:17 HIGHWAY IN JUST A MINUTE HERE TO VISIT THE NEW WORKER. 04:21 SO THIS IS IN COLOMBO, RIGHT? 04:23 THIS IS IN COLOMBO AND THIS IS THE CITY OF COLOMBO AS WE ARE LEAVING 04:28 THE CITY DRIVING NORTH TO VISIT THE NEW MAN IN A PLACE CALLED BALIGODA OR 04:34 CLOSE TO BALIGODA AT LEAST. 04:35 THERE WAS ANOTHER FELLOW THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BUT HE IS NOW 04:38 RETIRED AND SO WE ARE ON OUR WAY TO VISIT THIS NEW WORKER. 04:42 NOW IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM UP IN TRABENDRUM, YES. 04:45 YES, VERY DIFFERENT. 04:46 THIS IS THE NEW WORKER AND HIS WIFE AND HE HAS JUST JOINED US AS I SAID JUST 04:51 RECENTLY. 04:53 THIS A LITTLE CHURCH RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE HE LIVES AND THIS CHURCH HAS A 04:57 PARSONAGE BEHIND. 04:59 HE DOESN'T LIVE IN THE PARSONAGE BUT ITS' A NICE LITTLE CHURCH AND WE'RE 05:02 HOPING THAT HE CAN FILL THIS WITH MEMBERS. 05:04 IT'S GOTTEN RATHER-NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE THERE RIGHT NOW BUT ANYWAY. 05:08 I'M GOING SOUTH ON VIDEO FOR JUST A MINUTE. 05:12 O.K. 05:13 ANYWAY, THIS MAN WAS A MINISTER BEFORE WITH THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST 05:17 CHURCH AND THEN HIS PARENTS SAID,"WE NEED YOU, WE'RE ELDERLY, WE'LL 05:21 SUPPORT YOU CAN YOU PLEASE HELP US?" 05:23 SO HE DROPPED OUT FROM THE GOSPEL MINISTRY. 05:25 HE WAS NOT ORDAINED AND HE STARTED WORKING AND STAYED TO BE NEAR THE PARENTS. 05:30 WELL, THEY HAVE BOTH DIED AND THEN HE SAID, "YOU KNOW, I THINK I WOULD LIKE 05:33 TO GET BACK AND BE GOSPEL MINISTRY AGAIN." 05:35 AND SO AS IT TURNED OUT THERE WAS AN OPENING AND THE MAN WHO WAS IN THIS 05:41 GENERAL AREA RETIRED AND SO HE WAS HIRED BY GOSPEL OUTREACH. 05:44 HIS NAME WAS RANJI AND WE HAVE A LOT OF HOPE THAT RANJI AND HIS WIFE CAN 05:49 FILL UP THAT LITTLE CHURCH AGAIN AND DEVELOP THE MINISTRY. 05:52 HE IS ALSO WORKING IN ANOTHER AREA RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND SO THAT'S GOING 05:56 TO BE APPARENTLY A MAIN FOCUS OF HIS AS WELL. 05:58 SO, WE HAVE A LOT OF HOPE FOR THE WORK IN THAT CITY. 06:02 SO YOU'VE GOT A YOUNG MAN WHO IS NOT AS YOUNG-NOT SO YOUNG ANYMORE- NOT AS HE 06:07 WAS WHEN HE FIRST STARTED THE MINISTRY, THAT'S RIGHT, BUT HE IS BACK IN 06:10 THE MINISTRY THAT'S RIGHT AND HE'S TAKING A CHURCH THAT ONCE WAS RIPE AND 06:14 FULL, THAT'S RIGHT AND THEN THE PEOPLE HAVE DWINDLED AWAY AND NOW WE 06:19 HOPE HE IS GOING TO BUILD IT UP AGAIN. 06:21 WELL, THAT'S EXCITING, THAT'S OUR HOPE AND YOU GET TO HELP FOLLOW THAT 06:25 FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. 06:26 WE'LL BE FOLLOWING THAT; WE'LL BE SEEING THAT AS THE TIME RUNS ALONG. 06:30 WOW. 06:31 FROM HERE WE WENT TO SEE THE NEXT FELLOW, OK, MORE VIDEO? 06:34 THIS IS THE MAN THERE STANDING IN THE DOORWAY AND THIS WAS A CHURCH 06:38 WHERE HE IS THE PASTOR. 06:40 HE IS ACTING AS THE PASTOR OF THIS GROUP AND THESE PEOPLE ARE GATHERED FOR A 06:43 BAPTISM. 06:45 HERE THEY ARE AND HE IS PLAYING ON HIS TAMBOURINE-THE SOUND IS 06:49 TURNED DOWN RIGHT NOW BUT THEY ALWAYS HAVE A TAMBOURINE AND THEY PLAY 06:53 THE TAMBOURINE. 06:54 IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE THEM AND THEY SING VERY LUSTILY AND IT'S A GREAT 06:58 THING. 07:00 HE HAD HIS SON HERE SHOWN IN THE MOVIE WELCOMING PEOPLE TO THIS BAPTISM AND 07:05 WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A NICE THING SO I TOOK A PICTURE OF THE LITTLE BOY. 07:08 HE WAS ALL DRESSED UP HIS BEST CLOTHES AND WELCOMING PEOPLE TO COME TO THIS 07:15 BAPTISM. 07:16 BOY, HE LOOKS LIKE HE'S JUST TOTALLY IN CHARGE. 07:18 OH YES, HE WAS IN CHARGE, HE WAS IN CHARGE. 07:21 SO HERE IS THE GROUP AGAIN, THEY ARE SINGING AND ENJOYING THE VISIT SO 07:28 THERE WERE AT THIS LOCATION- THE FELLOW WITH THE TAMBOURINE IS THE 07:31 GOSPEL OUTREACH DIRECTOR AND HIS NAME IS RAMAN KUMAR. 07:34 THEN THE MISSION PRESIDENT JORDAN WAMBEK WAS HERE AND HE WAS DEMONSTRATING HOW A 07:39 BAPTISM WAS DONE. 07:40 OH REALLY? 07:42 SO HE HAD THIS FELLOW UP IN FRONT HE SAID, "I NEED A VOLUNTEER." 07:44 THIS FELLOW CAME UP AND HE DEMONSTRATED AND THEN IT WAS TRANSLATED BY ANOTHER 07:47 FELLOW SO THEY GAVE THE WHOLE THING SO THE PEOPLE KNEW WHAT TO EXPECT 07:53 BECAUSE THEY HADN'T HAD ANY BAPTISMS THERE FOR SOME TIME. 07:56 NOW THEY ARE WALKING ALONG THE PATH TO THE BAPTISMAL PLACE AND YOU CAN SEE 08:01 PEOPLE WALKING DOWN THIS LITTLE PATHWAY. 08:04 THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PREJUDICE AGAINST THE ADVENTISTS. 08:08 UH HUH. 08:09 BECAUSE PREJUDICES ARE FAIRLY STRONG AND YOU HAVE TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL 08:12 WHAT YOU SAY BECAUSE IT IS A HIGHLY MUSLIM COUNTRY. 08:16 THIS IS IN THE TEA PLANTATION AREA. 08:18 THERE'S A TEA PLANTATION SHOWN ON TOP OF THE HILL THERE AND THIS IS THE 08:21 BAPTISMAL SITE NOW. 08:23 THE FISH POND! 08:24 THE FISH POND. 08:26 THERE'S A MUDDY RIVER REMINDS YOU OF THE JORDAN RIVER FOR EXAMPLE. 08:29 YES. 08:30 AND SO HERE'S THE MISSION PRESIDENT GEORGE WAMBEK IS GOING TO BAPTIZE THIS LADY 08:35 AND WE'LL JUST WATCH THAT BAPTISM TAKE PLACE NOW. 08:38 HE'S JUST ABOUT READY. 08:39 SO THERE WAS A NEW SOUL FOR THE KINGDOM. 08:44 THAT'S EXCITING. 08:47 NOW AFERWARD THEY HAD A DINNER AND MY WIFE IS SHOWN THERE WITH A 08:52 -LOOKING FOR THE FOOD-LOOKING FOR THE FOOD AND SO ON. 08:54 SO THEY HAD A NICE LITTLE DINNER AND FROM THERE WE WENT TO VISIT ANOTHER 08:59 GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKER. 09:00 WELL BEFORE I LET YOU GO THERE I WANT TO ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 09:03 SURE. 09:04 THE TAMBOURINE INTRIGUED ME, YES. 09:06 HOW IS THE MUSIC IN SRI LANKA DIFFERENT FROM THE MUSIC -I WON'T ASK YOU 09:11 ABOUT P.U.C., NO, BECAUSE I KNOW THE PROGRAM THERE BUT TAKE ME TO THE 09:16 SOUTHERN PART OF INDIA. 09:18 RIGHT. 09:19 IS IT THE SAME OR DIFFERENT? 09:20 VERY SIMILAR. 09:21 THEY USE TAMBOURINES AND THERE'S OFTEN NOT AN ORGAN. 09:24 THE TAMBOURINE IS OFTEN IT. 09:25 NOW IN A FEW OF THE BIGGER CHURCHES THEY'LL HAVE AN ORGAN BUT THAT'S THE 09:30 EXCEPTION - THOSE ARE NOT THE RULES. 09:32 NOW MANY TIMES I HAVE FOUND THERE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF INDIA WHERE THEY 09:35 USE A DRUM. 09:36 RIGHT, THEY MAY USE DRUMS TOO YES. 09:39 BUT WHY? 09:40 WHY IS THAT AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE SERVICE THE TAMBOURINE AND THE DRUM? 09:43 I THINK IT HELPS THEM DEVELOP A LITTLE UNITY AND IT'S THE ONLY THING THEY 09:46 HAVE SO THE TAMBOURINE OR NOTHING. 09:49 SO IT HELPS KEEP THE BEAT, YOU KNOW. 09:51 IT HELPS KEEP THE PEOPLE TOGETHER SO I THOUGHT IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD IDEA TO 09:55 HAVE A TAMBOURINE SO THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. 09:58 THAT'S NEAT, YES. 09:59 AS I SAID IN THE LARGE CITIES LIKE CHENNAI THEY'LL HAVE AN ORGAN BUT 10:04 OTHERWISE IT IS GOING TO BE TAMBOURINES PROBABLY. 10:07 THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS. 10:08 WELL AND THE MUSIC THEY ARE SINGING THE SAME SONGS YOU SING AT P.U.C? 10:13 NO. 10:14 NO SOMETIMES I RECOGNIZE THEM BUT OF COURSE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE 10:18 LANGUAGE AND SO THE WORDS I DON'T KNOW BUT I UNDERSTAND THE MELODY. 10:22 SOMETIMES IT IS SLIGHTLY CHANGED; SOMETIMES IT IS ABOUT THE SAME; SOMETIMES 10:26 IT'S ENTIRELY DIFFERENT AND I DON'T KNOW A THING ABOUT. 10:29 I WAS LISTENING ONE TIME IN INDIA TO A BEAUTIFUL PIECE ON SABBATH MORNING 10:34 EVERYBODY WAS SINGING ALONG WITH THE DRUM JUST FINE. 10:36 YES, I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE IT AT ALL AND I ASKED FINALLY, I LEANED OVER TO 10:40 SOMEONE WHO COULD SPEAK ENGLISH AND I SAID, "WHAT IS THIS SONG?" 10:43 OH, THAT'S JESUS LOVES ME THIS I KNOW. 10:45 OH REALLY. 10:46 AND I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE IT AT ALL. 10:48 IT WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MELODY AND EVERYTHING. 10:50 YES. 10:51 BUT HAPPY PEOPLE. 10:52 HAPPY PEOPLE AND THEY ARE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC I'VE FOUND TOO. 10:54 ESPECIALLY IN INDIA WHICH IS PART OF MY TERRITORY AS WELL AS SRI LANKA, THEY 10:59 ARE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC AND WHEN YOU GET THE GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKERS 11:02 TOGETHER-THEY SING THEIR HEARTS OUT AND THEY JUST SING LUSTILY AND THEY 11:06 ENJOY IT AND IT IS VERY INSPIRING TO LISTEN TO THEM. 11:09 WHAT'S IT LIKE BEING WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKERS? 11:13 WELL, WE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE THIS YEAR AND ACTUALLY THE THREE -TWO OF 11:17 THE WORKERS IN SRI LANKA SPEAK TAMIL LANGUAGE AND WHEN WE HAD OUR MEETINGS 11:21 IN INDIA WE HAVE ALTOGETHER ABOUT 140 WORKERS IN INDIA-WE 11:26 INVITED THE TWO FELLOWS FROM SRI LANKA TO COME OVER TO INDIA. 11:31 MY WIFE AND I ARRANGED THE TRANSPORTATION AND SO ON. 11:34 THEY JOINED IN WITH A THIRD GROUP OF WHICH WE HAD ABOUT 95 WORKERS THERE 11:38 SO IT WAS GREAT FELLOWSHIP FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE PRETTY ISOLATED,SURE, AND 11:43 SO TO HAVE THEM COME AND JOIN WITH THE INDIAN WORKERS AND WE HAD THREE 11:47 DAYS OF MEETINGS-IT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR THEM, I THINK. 11:49 WHAT DO YOU DO IN THREE DAYS OF MEETINGS? 11:51 WELL, WE HAVE LECTURES. 11:53 I GAVE FOUR LECTURES ON BASIC BIBLE DOCTRINE-ON CHEMISTRY? 11:58 NO, NO NOTE CHEMISTY- BASIC BIBLE DOCTRINES. 12:01 MY WIFE GAVE TWO-SHE USED THE "SHARE HIM PROGRAM" VERY SUCCESSFUL. 12:04 RIGHT. 12:06 AND THEN THEY EACH, THE MISSION PRESIDENTS HAD PRESENTATIONS AND GOSPEL 12:09 OUTREACH SECTION LEADER WHO IS FROM THE DIVISION-THE SOUTHERN ASIA 12:12 DIVISION, HE HAD SEVERAL LECTURES SO WE FILLED IT UP WITH LECTURES FROM 12:16 VARIOUS PERSONS AND OURSELVES AND WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE THE MOST 12:20 HELPFUL THING. 12:21 SO- WHAT I BELIEVE; HOW TO COMMUNICATE THAT, THAT'S RIGHT, HOW TO FIT IT INTO 12:24 THE CULTURE; HOW TO DEAL WITH THE MUSLIMS; HOW TO DEAL WITH THE HINDUS; HOW 12:28 TO WORK WITH THESE VARIOUS PEOPLE. 12:30 SO THESE MEN WERE INVOLVED WITH THAT. 12:32 I WAS PLEASED THAT THEY COULD COME OVER. 12:34 SO WHEN I GIVE MONEY THEN TO SUPPORT A GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKER IN INDIA, 12:39 SRI LANKA I CAN KNOW THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING? 12:43 YES, I THINK YOU CAN. 12:46 THEY ARE NOT HIGHLY EDUCATED. 12:47 THEY ARE 8TH GRADE AT LEAST, MAYBE HIGH SCHOOL, 10 GRADES OF EDUCATION BUT 12:53 THEY KNOW THEIR BIBLES PRETTY WELL AND I'M IMPRESSED WITH THEM. 12:57 I THINK THEY ARE PRETTY GOOD GUYS AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO 13:00 SUPPORT GOSPEL OUTREACH AND TO GIVE FUNDS BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST 13:05 THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO. 13:07 TAKE US BACK TO YOUR VIDEO. 13:08 ALRIGHT. 13:09 WE'LL GO BACK TO THE VIDEO AGAIN. 13:11 WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SCENE- THE FOOD, THE FOOD WILL END HERE IN A MOMENT 13:18 BUT WE -THIS IS IN THE TEA PLANTATIONS IN THE COUNTRY OF INDIA AND YOU CAN SEE 13:24 THE SCENERY THERE AS WE ARE DRIVING ALONG-WAY UP HIGH BECAUSE THE TEA GROWS 13:28 WELL IN THE HIGH ELEVATIONS. 13:30 SO WE ARE GOING TO VISIT A CHURCH WHERE A GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKER'S NAME IS 13:35 MICHAEL-NOW WE'RE NOT IN SRI LANKA ANYMORE? 13:37 WE'RE IN SRI LANKA -WE'RE STILL IN SRI LANKA, WE STILL ARE. 13:39 WE ARE STILL IN SRI LANKA. 13:41 THIS IS MICHAEL, THIS IS OUR GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKER, OK, AND HE HAD 13:44 SEVEN PEOPLE READY FOR BAPTISM. 13:46 WE, THAT'S REALLY EXCITING, THAT WAS EXCITING TO US AND THE 13:50 PREVIOUS BAPTISM THERE WERE 20 SO IT WAS VERY GOOD. 13:53 AGAIN THEY HAD A WELCOME THEY HAD A LITTLE SERVICE AND MICHAEL IS WELCOMING 13:57 PEOPLE WITH HIS WIFE AND HERE WAS THE GROUP-THEY HAD TO RENT A HALL BECAUSE 14:01 HE DIDN'T HAVE A CHURCH. 14:02 SO HE'S WORKING WITHOUT A CHURCH AND WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A CHURCH. 14:06 SO YOU NOTICE SOME CLAPPING AND SINGING HERE-TYPICAL. 14:09 I'M LOOKING FOR THE TAMBOURINE. 14:10 WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE A TAMBOURINE IN THIS ONE. 14:12 BUT ANYWAY, HERE THEY HAD THE CANDIDATES, THE SEVEN CANDIDATES STANDING UP AND 14:18 THEY WERE DOING THEIR VOWS. 14:21 SO THEY COULD, HE READ THE VOWS AND THEY RAISED THEIR HAND THAT -YES, I AGREE 14:25 WITH THIS DOCTRINE AND SO ON. 14:27 SO THIS WENT ON, THERE THEY ARE RAISING THEIR HANDS NOW AND HERE WAS THE 14:31 RIVER AGAIN, SORT OF A MUDDY LITTLE RIVER. 14:34 THEY ARE PROBING TO FIND A SPOT THAT WAS DEEP ENOUGH BECAUSE THE RIVER WASN'T 14:37 VERY DEEP AND PASTOR WAMBEK WHO IS THE MISSION PRESIDENT SAID NOW THEY'VE 14:42 FOUND A PLACE AND THEY HAD THE BAPTISM. 14:44 WOW. 14:46 SO THERE WAS AS I SAID SEVEN PERSONS BAPTIZED HERE- I THOUGHT HE WAS 14:50 CHASING AWAY THE CROCODILE- NO HE WASN'T. 14:53 THEY HAD A WORD OF PRAYER AT THE END OF THE VIDEO THERE AND SO IT WAS A VERY 14:58 NICE SCENE AND I WAS PLEASED THAT THE MISSION PRESIDENT COULD BE THERE 15:01 TO DO THE BAPTISMS BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS ANOTHER PERSON DOING IT. 15:05 HERE WE ARE LEAVING THE CITY AND WE ARE HEADING BACK DOWN TO -ACTUALLY WE 15:10 ARE GOING TO LAKPAHANA TRAINING SCHOOL BUT THERE WAS QUITE A ROAD SLIDE 15:14 HERE AND WE FOR THE NEXT DAY, THEY HAD ANOTHER EARTHQUAKE AND RAIN AND 15:18 THE ROAD WAS CLOSED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. 15:20 SO YOU BARELY SLIPPED THROUGH. 15:21 WE JUST SLIPPED THROUGH AND WERE GLAD TO GET THERE. 15:24 SO WE ARE ON OUR WAY THEN AND THEN THIS IS THE LAKPAHANA TRAING SCHOOL. 15:28 THIS IS NOT REALLY PART OF MY RESPONSIBILITY BUT IT'S THE ONLY TRAINING SCHOOL 15:32 WHICH THEY HAVE FOR TRAINING MINISTERS IN SRI LANKA. 15:38 SO IT IS AN IMPORTANT THING AND HERE IS THE PRINCIPAL WITH SOME OF THE 15:40 SCHOOL KIDS. 15:42 THEY HAD A LITTLE PARTY FOR THEM AND HE WAS GREETING THEM AND SAYING 15:46 HELLO TO THE KIDS. 15:48 THE KIDS ARE THE SAME EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD. 15:51 THEY ARE THE SAME AND THEY LOVE IT AND THIS FELLOW WAS A RETIRED 15:55 ADMINISTRATOR IN THE HOSPITAL SYSTEM. 15:57 HE WAS IN SRI LANKA YEARS AGO AS A PRINCIPAL OF THAT SCHOOL AND THEN THEY 16:01 CALLED HIM TO COME BACK. 16:02 THEY SAID THEY NEEDED HIS HELP SO HE'S GONE BACK FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND SO 16:05 HE IS DOING A GOOD WORK. 16:06 SO THAT WAS GOOD AND THE FELLOW HAPPENS TO BE MY WIFE'S COUSIN TOO. 16:09 MY LANDS. 16:10 HIS WIFE IS THE WIFE'S COUSIN. 16:12 SO THIS IS A GOOD CIRCLE-A GOOD CIRCLE. 16:14 SO THAT WAS OUR EXPERIENCE SO WE HAD A GOOD EXPERIENCE IN SRI LANKA 16:18 AND AGAIN I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO SUPPORT GOSPEL OUTREACH BECAUSE I THINK 16:22 IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT MISSION. 16:24 NOW YOU'VE DONE THIS FOR FOUR YEARS. 16:26 FOUR YEARS. 16:27 HOW HAS THAT IMPROVED YOUR RETIREMENT? 16:30 IT HASN'T CHANGED MY RETIREMENT A BIT. 16:32 IN FACT, I MAY BE BEHIND WHERE I WAS BECAUSE WE PAY SOME OF OUR OWN EXPENSES 16:36 AND WE HAVE SOME HELP GETTING THERE BUT THEN I HAD TO PAY TO BRING ALL 16:39 THE WORKERS IN; I HAD PAID TO BRING THE TWO FELLOWS OVER FROM SRI LANKA AND SO 16:45 IT COSTS US A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY. 16:47 SO IT'S AN INVESTMENT FOR YOU? 16:48 IT'S AN INVESTMENT FOR ME BUT WE'RE GLAD TO DO IT BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE 16:51 INVOLVED. 16:53 I DON'T WANT TO BE AT HOME SITTING AND WATCHING TELEVISION ALL DAY LONG. 16:54 I WANT TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE LORD IF I POSSIBLY CAN AND THIS GIVES ME AN 17:01 OUTLET. 17:02 SO THAT'S WHY I'M DOING IT. 17:03 YOUR RETIREMENT EXPERIENCE THEN FOR BOTH YOU AND YOUR WIFE IS MORE AND MORE 17:07 CENTERED AROUND THIS KIND OF SERVICE, THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. 17:10 WE WERE MISSIONARIES IN THE OLD FAR EASTERN DIVISION FOR A NUMBER OF 17:13 YEARS AND WE KIND OF MISSED THE FAR EAST AND MISSED THE MISSION FIELD 17:17 AND MISSED ALL OF THIS SORT OF THING SO WHEN WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO 17:20 JOIN GOSPEL OUTREACH WE SAID, "THIS WOULD BE A GOOD THING. 17:23 WE ARE BACK." 17:24 WE'RE BACK AGAIN. 17:25 WE'RE BACK AGAIN. 17:26 SO TAKE ME TO SRI LANKA. 17:27 I HAVE READ, YOU KNOW, A LOT ABOUT THE WAR, THE REBELS AND HOW THEY BOMBED 17:34 EACH OTHER. 17:37 HAS THE CHURCH SUFFERED FROM THAT? 17:39 APPARENTLY NOT TOO SERIOUSLY I WASN'T AWARE OF ANY CHURCHES THAT WERE 17:42 BOMBED OUT OR ANYTHING BUT THEY SEEMED TO HAVE SETTLED THINGS PRETTY 17:45 WELL. 17:46 THERE IS STILL IN SRI LANKA THERE IS SOME ANIMOSITY TOWARDS 17:51 CHRISTIANS. 17:52 WE HAVE A CHURCH WHERE THE FIRST INTERVIEW WAS. 17:57 THEY BUILT-THEY STARTED TO BUILD A CHURCH-THEY GOT THE FOUNDATIONS BUILT AND 18:01 THE POLICE AND THE LOCAL BUDDHIST PRIEST CAME OUT AND THEY SAID, "YOU'RE NOT 18:05 BUILDING ANYMORE." 18:06 AND THEY HAVE GIVEN UP THE PROJECT NOW. 18:08 REALLY. 18:10 THEY'VE GIVEN IT UP AND SO WE HOPE THAT THEY CAN GET THAT STARTED AGAIN. 18:12 I HOPE THAT THIS NEW FELLOW WILL HAVE A FRESH POINT OF VIEW AND CAN DO 18:15 SOMETHING TO HELP BUT AS FAR AS THE WAR, I THINK THEY ARE PRETTY WELL PAST 18:20 THAT WAR NOW. 18:22 SO TAKE ME FOR JUST A MINUTE ACROSS THE STRAIT INTO INDIA. 18:26 YES. 18:27 JUST FOR ME. 18:29 IF YOU COULD TAKE ME ON YOUR-IF I COULD BE IN SEAT 3 OR A,B,C AND YOU COULD 18:36 TAKE ME TO THAT PART OF INDIA WHERE WOULD YOU TAKE ME THAT WOULD HELP ME BE 18:40 REALLY IMPRESSED WITH GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKERS? 18:43 CHENNAI CHENNAI? 18:44 I'D TAKE YOU TO CHENNAI. 18:46 WE HAVE ABOUT 27 GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKERS IN THE CITY OF CHENNAI, IN THE 18:50 CITY? 18:51 IN THE CITY AND IT'S A HUGE CITY. 18:53 IT'S HUGE, DICK. 18:56 IT'S HUGE. 18:57 I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE HERE BUT IT IS A HUGE CITY AND THEY ARE DIVIDED INTO 19:01 THREE TEAMS OF 8 WORKERS ON EACH WORKERS, THAT'S 24 WORKERS AND THEN THEY HAVE 19:05 THREE SUPERVISORS-ONE FOR EACH TEAM. 19:07 AND THEY GO OUT EVERY DAY AND THEY GO DOOR TO DOOR AND THEY MEET PEOPLE, THEY 19:12 PASS OUT LITERATURE AND THEY DO EVANGELISM AND THEY ARE BAPTIZING 19:16 REGULARLY IN CHENNAI. 19:17 IT'S AN IMPRESSIVE-IT'S JUST GROW, GROW, GROW. 19:19 AND THEY HAVE DEVELOPED AN ENTIRE SECTION JUST IN THE CITY OF CHENNAI FROM THE 19:24 WORKERS OF GOSPEL OUTREACH. 19:26 REALLY? 19:27 THE WHOLE SECTION IS JUST FROM GOSPEL OUTREACH. 19:29 AND IT'S NOT LIKE THAT'S 12 PEOPLE EITHER, THAT'S CHURCH AFTER CHURCH AFTER 19:32 CHURCH, YES, AS YOU GO DOWN THE -YES, THEY WOULD ALSO LIKE -THEY ARE 19:35 APPEALING FOR MONEY FOR ANOTHER CHURCH, OF COURSE. 19:38 ALWAYS. 19:39 ALWAYS. 19:40 THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE LEARNED IS THAT ONCE YOU BAPTIZE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE 19:43 THEY WANT A BUILDING TO SING PRAISES IN. 19:45 THAT'S RIGHT THEY WANT A BUILDING AND AN ADVENTIST MINISTER WAS OVER THERE 19:48 SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I WON'T MENTION THE NAME RIGHT NOW, HE BAPTIZED ABOUT 50 19:53 PEOPLE AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A CHURCH THERE. 19:55 SO CHENNAI IS A VERY, IT'S A - I DON'T LIKE TO USE THIS TERM AGAIN BUT IT'S A 20:03 BAPTISMAL MACHINE ALMOST BECAUSE THEY ARE SO SUCCESSFUL IN BRINGING 20:07 PEOPLE INTO THE CHURCH AND THEY WORK VERY FAITHFULLY. 20:11 SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKERS THERE, YOU SEE A POWER 20:16 PACKED EVANGELISM TEAM, YES, THAT ISN'T JUST EVANGELIZING AND LEAVING, 20:21 NO. 20:22 THEY ARE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH PEOPLE. 20:24 THEY FOLLOW UP WITH THE PEOPLE AND THEY INVITE THEM TO COME TO THE LOCAL 20:27 CHURCH AND SO ITS' A GOOD THING. 20:29 WHEN YOU HAD ALL OF THOSE WORKERS TOGETHER FOR THE THREE AND FOUR DAYS, YES, 20:33 WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS DID THEY ASK? 20:37 YOU KNOW, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE SO I HAVE TROUBLE ANSWERING 20:40 THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE DIALOGUE THAT WENT ON BUT 20:45 THEY TOOK NOTES. 20:47 THEY HAD THEIR NOTEBOOKS, THEY HAD THEIR PENCIL AND PAPER AND THEY TOOK NOTES 20:49 AND WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THEY RECEIVED SOMETHING WHICH WOULD BE OF HELP TO 20:53 THEM IN THEIR MINISTRY. 20:55 AND ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IS THE "HOW TO". 20:57 HOW TO APPROACH PEOPLE, YES. 20:58 HOW DO YOU DO IT.? HOW TO APPROACH PEOPLE WHO ARE HINDU. 21:01 HOW DO YOU APPROACH PEOPLE WHO ARE BUDDHIST OR MUSLIM? 21:03 THAT'S RIGHT. 21:03 AND IN CHENNAI YOU'VE GOT ALL THREE. 21:06 THAT'S RIGHT. 21:07 YOU'VE GOT ALL THREE PRETTY WELL THROUGH THE SOUTH BUT YOU KNOW THE 21:09 APOSTLE THOMAS WENT TO CHENNAI WHEN HE LEFT THE HOLY LAND, NOW THIS WOULD 21:15 BE DOUBTING THOMAS, DOUBTING THOMAS OK, HE CAME TO CHENNAI AND HE 21:19 WORKED THERE IN CHENNAI UNTIL AND ESTABLISHED THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION. 21:24 SO CHENNAI IS MORE OF A CHRISTIAN AREA BECAUSE THOMAS WAS THERE. 21:28 NOW THOMAS WAS ASSASINATED AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS BUILT A CHURCH AT THE 21:34 SITE WHERE HE WAS ASSASINATED, RIGHT, AND THEY HAVE QUITE -MAYBE 21:37 YOU'VE BEEN THERE I DON'T KNOW- BUT'S QUITE AN IMPRESSIVE THING AND I 21:39 APPRECIATE THE WORK OF THOMAS. 21:41 IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING TO GO TO A PLACE LIKE THAT AND KNOW THAT YOU'RE ONE 21:50 STEP FROM JESUS. 21:51 THAT'S RIGHT, THAT IF HISTORY IS TRUE AT ALL THOMAS DID COME TO INDIA 21:55 AND HE EVANGELIZE IT. 21:57 YES, HE DID DIE RIGHT HERE. 21:58 HE DID, HE DID. 22:00 IT'S IMPRESSIVE TO DO THAT IN INDIA, RIGHT THERE, SO FAR FROM PALESTINE, I 22:03 KNOW, SO HE WAS THE ONLY ONE I UNDERSTOOD THAT REALLY LEFT THE 22:06 PALESTINIAN AREA. 22:07 RIGHT. 22:08 HE TOOK A BOAT AND HE WENT OUT AND HE -YOU HAVE TO HAND IT TO THE MAN, HE WAS 22:12 A REAL CRUSADER. 22:13 HE WASN'T A DOUBTER AT THAT POINT. 22:15 NO, NOT A DOUBTER. 22:16 YOU'RE NOT A DOUBTER ABOUT GOSPEL OUTREACH, NO. 22:19 YOU'RE NOT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO SAYS, "YES, I WORKED HERE BUT IT'S NOT 22:21 REALLY WORKING VERY WELL." 22:24 YOU'RE ONE WHO SAYS, "NO." 22:25 . 22:26 NO I DON'T SAY THAT. 22:27 I WORK HERE AND IT'S WORKING, IT'S WORKING. 22:29 GOSPEL OUTREACH IS WORKING WELL. 22:32 WHY? 22:33 WHAT IS ITS GREATEST -WHAT'S THE DRIVING FORCE? 22:35 I THINK ONE OF THE DRIVING FORCES IS THE FACT THAT THE LEADERSHIP IS ALL 22:39 VOLUNTEER. 22:40 WE'RE ALL HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A BURDEN FOR THE WORK. 22:42 WE'RE NOT HERE TO EARN A SALARY. 22:44 WE'RE NOT HERE FOR SOMETHING ELSE WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE THE 22:48 LORD'S WORK FINISHED AND THE REGIONAL DIRECTORS GO TO THEIR FIELD ONCE A YEAR 22:52 AND WE SPEND ANYWHERE FROM A FEW WEEKS TO-I WAS OVERSEAS FOR NEARLY SIX 22:57 WEEKS THIS TIME AND IT TAKES A TIME COMMITMENT AND SO I THINK THAT PEOPLE 23:02 WHO WANT TO HELP IN MISSIONS THERE'S REALLY NO BETTER THING TO DO THAN TO 23:06 HELP GOSPEL OUTREACH BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD THING. 23:08 IT'S A VERY GOOD FIELD OF LABOR. 23:11 WELL, I FIND YOU TOTALL COMMITTED. 23:13 YES, I'M COMMITTED. 23:15 NOW AS AN ACADEMIC DEAN, AS A DEPARTMENT CHAIR AND AS A CHEMISTRY TEACHER, 23:18 RIGHT, YOU IN MY EXPERIENCE ARE A VERY LEFT BRAINED PERSON, YES; YOU 23:23 LIKE THINGS IN LISTS AND SPECIFIC AND THE FORMULA WILL WORK. 23:29 WHAT'S THE FORMULA THAT MAKES GOSPEL WORKERS A SUCCESS IN INDIA? 23:35 I THINK FIRST OF ALL, THEY HAVE TO TRUST IN THE LORD AND THEY HAVE TO BE 23:39 GROUNDED IN THE FAITH. 23:40 SO THAT'S THE FOUNDATION. 23:42 I THINK THE FOUNDATION IS TRUST THE LORD AND BEING WILLING TO FOLLOW HIS 23:44 LEADING AND DO HIS WILL. 23:46 THAT'S THE FIRST THING AND EVERYBODY THAT'S A GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKER NEEDS TO 23:50 BE A COMMITTED SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHRISTIAN. 23:52 THAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL THING. 23:54 THAT'S SQUARE ONE. 23:54 THAT'S SQUARE ONE. 23:56 THE SECOND THING IS NOT BEING AFRAID TO GO OUT AND VISIT YOUR FRIENDS AND 23:59 OTHERS AND GIVE OUT LITERATURE, INVITE PEOPLE TO MEETINGS. 24:02 NOW YOU ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO CHANGE THEIR PERSONALITIES. 24:05 THAT'S RIGHT, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES THOUGH. 24:08 THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE I THINK DO THAT REALLY QUITE WELL. 24:11 OK, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO KNOW SOMETHING SO YOUR NOT JUST -THAT'S RIGHT AND SO 24:15 THAT'S WHERE WE CAME IN WITH THE MEETINGS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GIVE THEM 24:19 SOME BACKGROUND TRAINING BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE 24:24 BACKGROUND WAS BUT WE THINK IT IS PROBABLY LIMITED AND I'VE BEEN TOLD 24:27 THAT THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE A VERY DEEP KNOWLEDGE OF MANY SUBJECTS. 24:31 SO THAT WAS PART OF THE PURPOSE OF THAT, THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD TO 24:35 TRY TO GET GROUNDED IN THE 28 FUNDAMENTAL DOCTRINES OF THE SEVENTH DAY 24:40 ADVENTIST CHURCH. 24:44 DID YOU FIND IT EASY TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT CONCEPT OF GRACE? 24:47 WELL YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE PROBLEM-I HAVE THE LANGUAGE PROBLEM 24:55 EVERYTHING I DID HAD TO BE TRANSLATED AND I WAS FORTUNATE TO HAVE 24:59 TRANSLATORS WHO COULD DO THAT AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE JUST WHISPERING IN YOUR 25:03 EAR AND SAYING BY THE WAY THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. 25:05 WELL, I HAD TO TRUST THAT THEY WERE DOING -TRANSLATING WHAT I SAID 25:10 BUT THE CONCEPT OF GRACE- ACTUALLY I DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT GRACE TOO MUCH. 25:17 I TALKED ABOUT THE CHANGE OF THE SABBATH DAY. 25:19 I TALKED ABOUT THE CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR-CHRISTIAN BELIEFS 25:22 AND SO ON AND OTHER FUNDAMENTAL DOCTRINES OF THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST 25:26 CHURCH. 25:28 I FEEL THE GRACE CONCEPT IS A VERY IMPORTANT CONCEPT BUT THAT'S NOT ONE 25:31 WHICH I WAS LECTURING ON. 25:33 YES. 25:34 I WAS- I HAVE BEEN TO CHENNAI AND ONE TIME I WAS IN THE MISSION, THE UNION 25:39 PRESIDENT'S HOUSE, YES IN CHENNAI AND ATE A MEAL THAT HIS WIFE HAD PREPARED 25:46 FOR ME AND MY WIFE - IT WAS FASCINATING TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT WHAT WAS 25:50 HAPPENING WITH GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKERS. 25:52 OH REALLY! 25:53 YES. 25:55 AND HIS COMMENT WAS WE MEET JESUS EVERYDAY IN THE STREETS OF CHENNAI WHEN WE 25:59 MEET THE GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKERS, THAT'S RIGHT, THEY LOVE PEOPLE. 26:08 YES. 26:11 THAT TRACKS WITH WHAT YOU KNOW. 26:12 THAT'S RIGHT, THEY DO. 26:14 WHAT A PRIVILEGE AND THAT IS WHAT I KNOW. 26:18 WHERE GOD REALLY WANTS PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND HIM BETTER AND IT SEEMS LIKE 26:22 HE'S FINDING A WAY TO SEND SOME GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKERS MANY OF THEM ARE 26:26 PEOPLE YOU'VE PERSONALLY SPONSORED. 26:28 KEEP IT UP. 27:40 [CLOSING MUSIC]. |
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