Participants: George Johnson
Series Code: AIM
Program Code: AIM000415
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00:02 [OPENING MUSIC ].
00:23 HELLO EVERYONE. 00:24 I WANT TO WELCOME YOU TO THIS SEGMENT OF "ADVENTURES IN MISSIONS" SPONSORED BY THE 00:27 WONDERFUL MINISTRY OF GOSPEL OUTREACH. 00:29 AS YOU CAN TELL, THIS PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO JUST GIVE YOU AN OVERALL IDEA, 00:33 AN OVERALL INFORMATION AS TO THE SCOPE OF THIS MINISTRY. 00:39 I HAVE A VERY SPECIAL GUEST WITH ME THIS EVENING, OR THIS MORNING, 00:44 WHEREVER YOU ARE WATCHING THIS PROGRAM. 00:47 FIRST OF ALL, HE IS A GENUINE CHRISTIAN. 00:50 SECOND, HE WAS BORN IN A COUNTRY THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO WHERE I WAS BORN. 00:57 I WAS BORN IN IRAN AND GEORGE WAS BORN IN PAKISTAN. 01:02 FIRST AND FOREMOST, I HAVE TO ADMIT I HAD NEVER SEEN A BLONDE HAIRED BLUE EYED TALK THE WAY 01:11 HE TALKS THE PAKISTANI LANGUAGE. 01:14 LO AND BEHOLD HE WAS BORN IN PAKISTAN. 01:19 GEORGE, I WANT TO WELCOME YOU. 01:21 THANK YOU SO MUCH. 01:23 IT IS A PLEASURE; I'M GLAD TO BE HERE, TO BE WITH YOU ON THIS PROGRAM ON THIS SEGMENT. 01:29 VERY CLOSE TO MY HEART THE OUTREACH TO MUSLIMS AND THE CHALLENGE OF ISLAM AND THE 01:37 CHALLENGE OF THIS EXPONENTIAL GROWTH IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES, ISLAMIC POPULATION. 01:46 BUT WHAT REALLY HAS TROUBLED ME RECENTLY IS THE LACK OF, I WOULD SAY, 01:53 EDUCATION AND UNDERSTANDING ON THE PART OF CHRISTIANS ABOUT MUSLIMS. 02:02 AND IN SPECIFIC ABOUT THE QURAN, THE ISLAMIC HOLY BOOK. 02:07 BUT WHAT I ADMIRE ABOUT YOU, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ADMIRE ABOUT YOU IS THAT YOU HAVE 02:12 TAKEN ON THAT CHALLENGE. 02:14 AND FOR THE YEARS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN IN MINISTRY BOTH IN YOUR INDIVIDUAL MINISTRY AND YOUR 02:22 ASSOCIATION WITH GOSPEL OUTREACH. 02:24 REACHING OUT TO MUSLIMS HAS BEEN VERY CLOSE TO YOUR HEART. 02:28 THAT'S RIGHT. 02:29 AS WELL. 02:30 FIRST, GIVE US SOME UPDATE AS TO WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING, WHAT'S NEW, 02:37 WHAT ARE YOU INVOLVED WITH NOWADAYS. 02:41 I KNOW I'VE HEARD SOME RUMORS THAT YOU WERE TECHNICALLY RETIRED BUT AS WE ALL KNOW; 02:48 THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RETIREMENT IN THE KINGDOM. 02:50 YOU KNOW, YOU JUST CHANGE FACES; YOU CHANGE BASICALLY SPECIALTIES AND ALL THAT. 02:56 KEEP US UPDATED WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING. 02:58 ACTUALLY, MY WIFE AND I WERE PRIVILEGED TO HAVE A VERY RICH AND LONG SERVICE TIME IN ASIA 03:09 AND WE SERVED IN PAKISTAN BEGINNING IN 1968. 03:15 WE WERE THERE FOR ABOUT 16 YEARS. 03:18 IN 1983 WE MOVED TO SINGAPORE AND SO THE NATION JUST TO THE NORTH OF US WAS MALAYSIA, 03:28 TO THE SOUTH OF US WAS INDONESIA, LARGEST MUSLIM COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. 03:33 AND FURTHER EAST WAS BUNI AND SO EVEN THERE WE WERE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO IMMERSE OURSELVES 03:41 IN THE STUDY OF ISLAM, IN ASSOCIATION WITH MANY, 03:46 MANY FRIENDS WHO COME FROM THAT FAITH. 03:51 BUT IN 1997 AFTER SOME 30 YEARS OF SERVICE IN ASIA, WE RETURNED TO THE STATES. 03:56 IT IS TRUE THAT AFTER WHAT WAS IT , 2009 I RETIRED AND I WAS WORKING AT THE TIME IN 04:05 CALIFORNIA THOUGH MY WIFE AND I BOTH GO TO ASIA A COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR. 04:12 SOMETIMES TOGETHER, SOMETIMES SEPARATELY. 04:13 SHE WAS, MOST RECENTLY SHE WAS IN INDONESIA I THINK JUST LATE LAST YEAR. 04:18 BUT WE RETAIN THIS INTEREST AND EVEN THOUGH I RETIRED, I CONTINUE WITH THE SAME 04:25 RESPONSIBILITIES WITH THE CHURCH THAT I DID BEFORE RETIREMENT AND WE'VE BEEN SO 04:31 BLEST WITH THIS. 04:33 RIGHT NOW, MY WIFE IS ACTUALLY INVOLVED WITH A LITERATURE PUBLICATION AND DISTRIBUTION 04:38 PROGRAM WHERE SHE, SHE'S HELPING TO PREPARE LITERATURE THAT GOES INTO INDONESIA. 04:45 IT IS BEING TRANSLATED RIGHT NOW INTO THE INDIAN LANGUAGES. 04:49 IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY PENETRATED MANY OF THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE, 04:53 SOME 15 OR 16 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. 04:55 SHE HAS A BACKGROUND IN EDITING, IN WRITING BOOKS, IN PUBLISHING AND SO SHE IS ABLE 05:01 TO BE USEFUL WITH THAT. 05:02 BUT I WILL TAKE SEMINARS, APPOINTMENTS OUTSIDE OF OUR AREA. 05:06 I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT IS DIFFERENT IN RETIREMENT IS THAT I DON'T HAVE TO PUNCH THE 05:13 CLOCK, THERE YOU GO, AND THAT I SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME WITH MY GRANDCHILDREN. 05:19 MY KIDS STILL SAY "DAD WHEN WILL YOU RETIRE? 05:22 TELL US ABOUT THAT." 05:24 AND THEN FINALLY THAT I'M ABLE TO SORT OF SELECT AND PICK THOSE THINGS THAT I AM REALLY 05:30 INTERESTED IN AND IN ADDITION TO THE REGULAR RESPONSIBILITIES I CARRY WITH THE CHURCH THAT I 05:35 AM ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, GET INTO THOSE ACTIVITIES. 05:38 VERY GOOD. 05:39 WHAT ARE SOME OF THE LATEST PROJECTS THAT YOU ARE WORKING ON WITH GOSPEL OUTREACH? 05:44 ACTUALLY, ON THIS TRIP HERE TO COLLEGE PLACE, I BROUGHT TWO RETIRED PAKISTANI PASTORS. 05:55 THEY HAD RICH SERVICE RECORDS OVERSEAS, 05:59 ONE IN TEACHING THE OTHER IN TEACHING AND IN ADMINISTRATION. 06:04 ONE HAS BEEN HERE IN THE UNITED STATES FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS AND THE OTHER JUST ARRIVED JUST A 06:09 COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. 06:11 SO IN A SENSE, I AM BEGINNING TO BUILD A SMALL GROUP OF LEADERS WHO REALLY UNDERSTAND 06:19 GOSPEL OUTREACH AND ITS MISSION AND WHO WILL BE ABLE TO RETURN TO PAKISTAN ALONG WITH ME AND 06:26 ALSO SEPARATELY TO, YOU KNOW, GET MORE VIDEO FOOTAGE, TELL THE STORIES OF WHAT IS 06:31 HAPPENING THERE AND TO SUPPORT GOSPEL OUTREACH IN OUR OVERSEAS MISSION. 06:37 OF COURSE WE HAVE OUR HOME BASE HERE; SURE, 06:39 IN COLLEGE PLACE BUT THE REAL ACTION IS OVERSEAS. 06:42 THE CURRENT PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON IN PAKISTAN, HOW INTRICATELY ARE YOU INVOLVED? 06:47 WELL, IN PAKISTAN AT PRESENT AND I'M THE CONTACT PERSON FOR GOSPEL OUTREACH FOR PAKISTAN, 06:57 BUT AT PRESENT IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHURCH YOU WOULD FIND THAT WE HAVE SOME 52 SEVENTH DAY 07:07 ADVENTIST WORKERS SUPPORTED BY THE CHURCH BUT GOSPEL OUTREACH IS REPRESENTED IN PAKISTAN BY 07:15 48 WHICH MEANS THAT ABOUT 95 PER CENT OF THE WORKER FORCE 07:21 IN PAKISTAN IS SUPPORTED BY GOSPEL OUTREACH. 07:24 THIS HAS REALLY ALLOWED US TO OPEN UP NEW AREAS AND I THINK TO HAVE A YOUNGER AND PERHAPS 07:35 MORE VITAL GROUP OF WORKERS BECAUSE THE WORKING FORCE, BY AND LARGE, 07:40 IS RATHER ELDERLY BUT THESE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE JUST FULL OF ENTHUSIASM AND IT'S WONDERFUL 07:46 TO WATCH THEM AT WORK. 07:48 WELL, BASICALLY PAKISTAN IS ONE OF THE LARGEST ISLAMIC COUNTRIES AND WITHIN ITSELF 07:55 THERE ARE SO MANY SUBDIVISIONS OF ISLAMIC AND HINDU. 07:59 THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN BRUTAL CLASHES AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. 08:05 THE QUESTION THAT COMES TO MY MIND, IN YOUR ESTIMATION SINCE YOU'VE BEEN PART OF THIS 08:12 ORGANIZATION, HOW AND WHAT IS THE QUALITY OF THE WORK IN PAKISTAN? 08:17 HOW FAST HAS IT GROWN? 08:18 IN WHAT AREAS DOES IT GROW AND WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES. 08:22 I MEAN ALWAYS FINANCES, YES WILL BE THE CHALLENGES AND SO FORTH BUT BASICALLY WITH, 08:28 YOU KNOW, THE INFLUX OF RADICAL ISLAM IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD AND SPECIFICALLY IN PAKISTAN. 08:34 BECAUSE PAKISTAN I THINK IS A CONGLOMERATION OF SO MANY ISLAMIC POPULATION GROUPS THAT 08:38 ARE NOT NECESSARILY PAKISTANIS, YOU KNOW THEY ARE FROM DIFFERENT PARTS. 08:42 WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES THAT OUR WORKERS HAVE TO DEAL WITH? 08:47 JUST THIS MORNING FOR INTERESTS SAKE, I GOT ON THE COMPUTER AND CHECKED TO SEE WHAT THE 08:53 POPULATION OF PAKISTAN IS. 08:55 CURRENTLY, IT STANDS AT 187 MILLION PEOPLE. 09:01 IT IS THE SIXTH LARGEST POPULATION COUNTRYWISE IN THE WORLD. 09:06 I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS. 09:07 INDONESIA, OF COURSE, IS THE LARGEST ISLAMIC COUNTRY WITH OVER 250 MILLION BUT PAKISTAN 09:13 IS RIGHT UP THERE. 09:14 BANGLADESH OF COURSE, HAS MORE POPULATION THAN PAKISTAN DOES. 09:19 PAKISTAN IS UNIQUE, OF COURSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LANGUAGES; 09:24 THE MAIN ONES WOULD BE URDU, THAT'S THE NATIONAL LANGUAGE AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE PUNJABI. 09:30 THAT WOULD BE THE LARGEST PROVINCE AND OF COURSE INDIA AND PAKISTAN BOTH SHARE PUNJAB, 09:37 WEST PUNJAB, EAST PUNJAB AND THERE IS SINDH, THERE IS BALUCHISTAN BORDERING IRAN AND 09:44 THEN YOU HAVE NORTHWEST FRONTIER PROVINCE 09:47 WHICH BORDERS LARGELY TO THE NORTH WITH AFGHANISTAN. 09:54 THERE ARE DIVISIONS WITH THESE FOLKS AND OF COURSE I THINK THAT RADICAL ISLAM HAS COLORED 10:01 THE PICTURE AND THE RESPONSES OF ONE GROUP TOWARD THE OTHER A GREAT DEAL. 10:07 PERHAPS TODAY THE TWO RELIGIONS, THE GREAT RELIGIONS CHRISTIANITY OF COURSE IS A 10:14 SMALL PERCENTAGE MAYBE 3-4% IN PAKISTAN BUT THEY APPROACH EACH OTHER CAUTIOUSLY AND THE THREAT 10:21 OF SECURITY BREACHES AND SO FORTH IS ALWAYS THERE. 10:25 I THINK THE CHALLENGE TO US AND WE'VE SEEN THIS MORE AND MORE, THE CHALLENGE TO US IS THAT WE 10:32 ENSURE THAT OUR APPROACHES, THAT OUR OPENNESS AND SO FORTH IS BASED ON SPIRITUALITY. 10:43 AND I CONTRAST THIS WITH THE WORD RELIGION. 10:46 RELIGION OFTEN LEADS YOU TO FIXED LINES, TO WALLS BUILT, LABELS, TO LABELS, 10:55 TO DISAGREEMENTS AND ARGUMENTS AND SO FORTH. 10:58 BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU REALLY COME IN CONTACT WITH A VERY SPIRITUAL PERSON NO MATTER 11:05 WHICH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, CONVICTION OR FAITH THEY COME FROM YOU FIND THAT HEARTS 11:11 RESONATE TOGETHER AND THIS HAS BEEN, I THINK IT IS DIFFICULT FOR THE WEST TO PERCEIVE THIS. 11:20 BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN CERTAIN EVENTS THAT MAYBE COLOR OUR MINDS AND THINKING BUT WHEN YOU 11:25 REALLY, REALLY COME IN CONTACT WITH A SPIRITUAL, DEEPLY GOD FEARING CHRISTIAN, YOU KNOW, 11:29 OR MUSLIM OR SOMETHING. 11:34 SOMEHOW THAT CUTS RIGHT ACROSS ALL ACROSS ALL THESE BARRIERS AND YOU DON'T ARGUE ANYMORE. 11:43 INSTEAD YOU FELLOWSHIP TOGETHER AS REAL COMPANIONS, FELLOW TRAVELERS. 11:46 WHY DON'T YOU EXPOUND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU JUST TOUCHED A VERY HOT BUTTON. 11:51 THE COMMUNITY, OR I WOULD SAY THE COMMONALITY IN THE TWO COMMUNITIES OF CHRISTIANS AND 11:58 MUSLIMS; OBVIOUSLY IN PAKISTAN THE MAJORITY ARE MUSLIMS OR HINDUS BUT IN, YOU KNOW, 12:05 FOR OUR CONVERSATION SAKE, HOW CAN THAT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT FUNDAMENTALLY 12:15 DIFFERENT RELIGIONS? 12:17 WELL, YOU AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS SO MUCH SIMILARITY BETWEEN CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM OR BIBLE 12:22 AND THE QURAN BUT IN COMMUNITY SENSE, HOW CAN THAT BE POSSIBLE? 12:28 HOW CAN THEY HAVE A COMMUNITY YET HAVE THEIR OWN DISTINCT IDENTITIES? 12:34 LET ME TELL A LITTLE STORY. 12:36 TO ME, THIS SORT OF ILLUSTRATES WHAT YOU HAVE JUST SAID IN THE ABSTRACT. 12:43 I WAS FLYING WEST IN A JUMBO 747 ACROSS THE PACIFIC AND IT WAS L.A. 12:51 OR SAN FRANCISCO TO HONG KONG. 12:55 I GET UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT BECAUSE I NEED TO STRETCH MY LEGS. 12:58 SO, I WALK UP AND DOWN THE AISLE AND AT THE END OF THE AISLE BACK TOWARD THE BACK OF 13:03 THE PLANE IS A MAN I RECOGNIZE. 13:06 HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN EITHER YOU KNOW PAKISTANI OR INDIA. 13:10 WE BEGIN TO SPEAK AND WE FIND THAT WE SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE, URDU. 13:20 AND HE IS WELL EDUCATED. 13:22 OF COURSE YOU KNOW, WE CAN SHARE TOGETHER-HE WAS SO SURPRISED THAT I SPOKE URDU. 13:27 WE BEGAN TO TALK AND HE SAID, "WHAT DO YOU DO"? 13:30 I SAID, "WELL, I'M A CHRISTIAN PASTOR. 13:32 I WAS A MISSIONARY IN PAKISTAN." 13:34 SO HE COMMENTS TO ME, THIS MUST HAVE BEEN VERY DIFFICULT? 13:38 HOW DID YOU SURVIVE? 13:40 HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? 13:42 AND I SAID TO HIM; LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I AM DOING. 13:48 I'M ON MY WAY NOW TO BANGLADESH AND I HAVE A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE WITH ME. 13:53 WE ARE TAKING SOLAR EQUIPMENT FOR A SCHOOL WAY OUT IN THE RURAL AREA. 13:58 THEY HAVE NO ELECTRICITY. 13:59 THE KIDS CAN'T STUDY AT NIGHT SO WE ARE GOING TO SET THIS UP SO THAT THEY HAVE LIGHT WITH 14:07 WHICH TO COOK AND THEY HAVE LIGHT WITH WHICH TO STUDY. 14:11 HE SAID THAT'S GOOD. 14:13 AND IN OUR INTRODUCTIONS HE TOLD ME THAT HE WAS AN ENGINEER AND HE WAS AN EXECUTIVE WITH 14:18 PHILLIPS, THE GIANT DUTCH COMPANY THERE.O.K. 14:23 SO, WE TALK ABOUT THIS AND WE BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT SPIRITUAL THINGS. 14:32 I CAN TELL THAT HE IS TURNED OFF BY WHAT IS HAPPENING 14:37 IN THE WORLD TODAY AND ALL THE MISUNDERSTANDINGS. 14:39 FINALLY I SAY TO HIM, MY FRIEND, DO YOU STILL SAY YOUR NAMAZ? 14:46 DO YOU STILL PRAY FIVE TIMES A DAY? 14:49 HE LOOKS AT ME AND SAYS NO, I DON'T. 14:52 HE SAID I AM DISENCHANTED. 14:55 I'M REALLY, REALLY TURNED OFF BY WHAT IS GOING ON AND SO FORTH. 14:58 AND I SAY TO HIM IN RETURN, "LOOK MANY OF THE DISAGREEMENTS ARE THE WORKS OF MEN, 15:05 IT IS THE SPEECH, IT IS THESE HARSH THINGS WE SAY ONE TO ANOTHER. 15:10 IF YOUR MOTHER TAUGHT YOU WHEN YOU WERE STANDING BY HER KNEE TO PRAY, 15:16 THEN DON'T GIVE UP PRAYER BECAUSE THAT'S GOD, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING HERE ON THIS EARTH. 15:21 THIS IS YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD HIMSELF. 15:25 AFTER A FEW MOMENTS, HE TURNS TO ME 15:27 AND SAYS NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM IN PAKISTAN. 15:34 YOU WERE REACHING DEEPER. 15:35 THAT'S IT. 15:37 AND THEN HE COMES BACK AND HE SAYS TO ME AS WE CONCLUDE AND WE GO BACK TO OUR SEATS, 15:41 BY THE WAY YOU KNOW I HAVE INFLUENCE IN PHILLIPS AND I CAN ARRANGE THINGS. 15:46 HE SAID THE NEXT TIME YOU GO ON A TRIP LIKE THIS HE SAID CALL ME. 15:50 EVERYTHING YOU TAKE WILL BE DONATED BY PHILLIPS. 15:53 SO YOU CAN SEE THIS YEARNING IN THE HEART. 15:57 HE THANKED ME AT THE END BECAUSE, I MEAN HE SAID IT'S AMAZING TO ME YOU'VE TOLD ME TO 16:02 BE A BETTER MUSLIM, YOU KNOW. 16:06 IN A WAY YOU KNOW, IF A MUSLIM WOULD COME TO ME AND CHALLENGE ME, 16:11 I COULD BE A BETTER CHRISTIAN. 16:13 YOU SEE, THAT YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE PULSE. 16:20 THE OVERALL CONVERSATION TOOK HOW MANY MINUTES? 16:23 FIFTEEN. 16:24 FIFTEEN MINUTES, RIGHT? 16:26 YOU PROBABLY LEFT A LASTING IMPRESSION ON THAT MAN'S MIND AND VISAVERSA, RIGHT? 16:32 THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT GOSPEL OUTREACH HAS BEEN PROMOTING. 16:37 WE ARE NOT HERE TO PROMOTE RELIGION; 16:40 WE ARE NOT HERE TO PROMOTE WHO IS WRONG AND WHO IS RIGHT. 16:45 WE ARE HERE TO INTRODUCE THEM TO THE ONE WHO CREATED THEM IN HIS IMAGE. 16:51 RIGHT. 16:52 TO JESUS CHRIST OR ISA EL MASIH AS HIS NAME IS IN ARABIC. 16:57 AS YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS SEGMENT OF "ADVENTURES IN MISSIONS", IF THE DISCUSSIONS, 17:03 IF THE TOPICS ARE RESONATING WITH YOU, IF YOU ARE WATCHING THIS PROGRAM AND SAYING WOW, 17:10 THERE IS A SHARP CONTRAST BETWEEN WHAT I'M HEARING AND WHAT THE NETWORK NEWS ARE 17:16 SHARING WITH US ABOUT MUSLIMS, THEN I ENCOURAGE YOU, I CHALLENGE YOU I SHOULD SAY, 17:22 TO CONTACT US. 17:31 IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BROWSE OUR WEBSITE YOU CAN GO TO 17:36 FIRST HAND YOU CAN FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH THE WORLDWIDE 17:46 OPERATIONS OF GOSPEL OUTREACH. 17:48 I HAVE A BURNING QUESTION REGARDING THE WORKERS, 17:56 THE GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKERS IN PAKISTAN. 18:01 HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE, FIRST MAYBE IT IS A TWO PART QUESTION? 18:05 BUT WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE WORKERS WERE FROM ISLAMIC BACKGROUNDS? 18:13 JUST A HANDFUL, I DOUBT IT WAS FIVE PER CENT. 18:16 FIVE PER CENT. 18:18 THE REST ARE FROM -THEY ARE PROBABLY BY AND LARGE FROM CHRISTIAN BACKGROUNDS. 18:21 YES. 18:22 NON ADVENTIST OR ADVENTIST BACKGROUNDS? 18:24 THEY ARE ADVENTISTS BUT MANY OF THEM, WHEN YOU SAY FROM WHICH BACKGROUND, 18:28 MANY OF THEM WOULD HAVE COME FROM VARIED BACKGROUNDS. 18:32 O.K. 18:33 BUT THEY HAVE MESHED TOGETHER IN THIS MISSION OF GOSPEL OUTREACH. 18:35 SO YOU SAY ABOUT FIVE PER CENT ARE FROM ISLAMIC BACKGROUND? 18:39 FIVE PERCENT. 18:40 O.K. 18:41 WHAT KIND OF WORK DID IT TAKE OR HOW LONG DID IT TAKE FOR THOSE WITH THE ISLAMIC 18:48 BACKGROUNDS TO BE PUT IN THE MISSION FIELDS FROM THE TIME THAT THEY WERE INTRODUCED TO 18:53 CHRIST TO THE TIME THAT THEY ARE OUT IN THE MISSION FIELDS? 18:57 OFTEN, THIS WOULD TAKE YEARS AND THE REASON WHY IS THAT OFTEN THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED 19:04 IN CHILDHOOD, MAYBE IN SCHOOL AND SO FORTH THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY AND THEY 19:10 STUDIED THE QURAN SHARIF AND THEY STUDIED THE BIBLE MURKUDIS, 19:14 THE HOLY BIBLE AND SO IN DOING THIS, AND REMEMBER THIS IS VERY VITAL, 19:21 REMEMBER THAT ISLAM TEACHES BELIEF IN FOUR HOLY BOOKS: THE TAWRAT, THE ZABUR, 19:27 THE INJIL AND THE QURAN. 19:29 FOR THOSE WHO ARE HEARING THIS AND IT SOUNDS A BIT FOREIGN, THE TAWRUT OR TORAH, 19:33 IS BASICALLY IN THE MIND 19:35 OR I WOULD SAY IN THE ISLAMIC CONTEXT IT MEANS THE OLD TESTAMENT. 19:45 RIGHT. 19:46 BUT WE KNOW THAT ANYTHING THAT MOSES WROTE WAS CONSIDERED THE TORAH. 19:49 THEN YOU SAID, ZABUR, ZABUR ARE THE PSALMS. 19:52 PSALMS. 19:54 WHATEVER DAVID WROTE AND THEN YOU HAVE THE INJIL, MEANING THE GOOD NEWS OR THE GOSPELS, 20:00 IT'S SO INTERESTING. 20:01 AND THE FOURTH ONE WAS THE QURAN, THE QURAN. 20:03 AS FAR AS THE, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE TERM SUCCESS RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING 20:13 ONLY HE IS THE ONE THAT WOULD DECIDE THAT BUT WE ARE CALLED TO BE FAITHFUL MORE THAN 20:18 ANYTHING ELSE, WE ARE CALLED TO BE FAITHFUL. 20:21 THESE MUSLIM BACKGROUNDS OR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REACHING OUT TO THEIR OWN NOW IN PAKISTAN, 20:30 WHAT HAS BEEN THE FRUIT OF THIS LABOR OF YOU SAID 50 PLUS GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKERS. 20:36 ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW, 44. 20:38 FORTY FOUR. 20:41 FOR THE LACK OF A BETTER WORD, WHAT IS THE SUCCESS RATE? 20:45 YOU KNOW I SUPPOSE, HOW DO WE GAUGE THAT? 20:48 I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW YOU SPEAK OF SUCCESS. 20:50 UH HUH. 20:55 TO ME, SUCCESS IN NUMBERS IS MAYBE A CHEAP THING BECAUSE IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR US AS 21:02 HUMAN BEINGS TO READ HEARTS. 21:05 BUT AS YOU LOOK AT THE INFLUENCE OF PEOPLE AND SOME OF COURSE WILL BE WORKING TOWARD A 21:12 BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF OTHERS, YOU MIGHT HAVE EITHER A CHRISTIAN, 21:17 BY THE WAY ISLAM CAN BE VERY MISSIONARY MINDED, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF RELIGION. 21:27 YOU TAKE BUDDHISM; BUDDISTS ARE NOT OUT PROCLAIMING THEIR TEACHINGS TO THE WORLD. 21:32 IN FACT, IF IMMIGRANTS COME TO THE UNITED STATES THEY WOULD CALL IN FINALLY A BUDDIST 21:38 PRIEST OR TEACHER TO TEACH THEIR CHILDREN AND SO THAT'S HOW, 21:42 SO THAT'S NOT EVANGELISTIC, NO NOT EVANGELISTC BUT ISLAM YOU KNOW, 21:46 THEY WILL STUDY THE BIBLE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN ORDER TO HAVE DIALECTIC , 21:51 YOU KNOW AND DISCUSSION WITH CHRISTIANS. 21:54 CHRISTIANS DO THE SAME. 21:55 I THINK OFTEN THE HEARTS OF THESE GOSPEL OUTREACH VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE ENGAGED IN 22:03 MINISTRY IN THESE COMMUNITIES, IT'S AS IF IN THEIR HEART THEY KNOW THEY HAVE SOMETHING, 22:09 THEY HAVE DISCOVERED SOMETHING THAT OTHERS DON'T HAVE AND SO THERE IS THIS PASSION TO SAY 22:14 "DO YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND?" 22:16 MAYBE YOU AREN'T REALLY STUDYING THE THREE BOOKS; YOU ARE ONLY LOOKING AT THE FOURTH? 22:23 IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THERE ARE NUGGETS OF TRUTH HERE WHICH YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND? 22:27 SO, I THINK IT'S AN APPROACH OF THAT SORT AND TO WHAT EXTENT THEN CAN YOU SAY, 22:33 WELL WE SUCCEEDED IN THIS WAY OR WE SUCCEEDED, THAT'S ONLY IN THE HEART. 22:38 O.K. 22:39 SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE SOLE MISSION OF THE GOSPEL OUTREACH WORKERS IN PAKISTAN. 22:42 I THINK YOU KNOW BASICALLY, YOU KNOW AS YOU LOOK AT IT YOU REALIZE IT'S THIS PROCLAMATION 22:48 AND CREATING BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND BY THE WAY THE REVERSE IS TRUE. 22:52 GOSPEL OUTREACH IS WORKING HERE IN THE UNITED STATES FOR US TO CULTIVATE BETTER RELATIONSHIPS 22:58 WITH OUR NEIGHBORS IN ISLAM AND IN OTHER RELIGIONS AS WELL.SURE. 23:01 ABSOLUTELY. 23:02 WE ARE NOT ENEMIES, ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW. 23:04 HOW DO YOU SEE THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS IN THIS FIELD? 23:10 IN THAT PARTICULAR FIELD? 23:12 WHAT ARE YOU ENVISIONING, WHAT ARE YOUR ASPIRATIONS IN TERMS OF SEEING DONE. 23:18 WELL, I WOULD SAY THIS I THINK THAT IN BOTH THESE GREAT FAITHS THAT THERE ARE FAR MORE 23:30 MODERATE AND PEACE LOVING AND SPIRITUAL PEOPLE THAN THERE ARE RADICALS. 23:38 MANY PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS THAT WORLD EVENTS HAVE BROUGHT. 23:45 AND I THINK IT'S A COMMISSION, IT'S A CHALLENGE TO US TO GO OUT AND SHARE THAT GOOD WILL 23:54 WITH OTHERS. 23:56 A FEW DAYS AGO I WAS TRAVELING ON THE EAST COAST, STOPPED AT NIGHT AND PAID FOR A MOTEL, 24:01 FOUND OUT THAT THEY WERE INDIANS. 24:03 TURNED OUT THE OWNER, THE NEXT MORNING WAS A PRATHAN, HE WAS A MUSLIM. 24:08 BEFORE WE FINISHED DISCUSSING, HE SAID TO ME OVER BREAKFAST, HE JUST CAME TO SIT WITH ME; 24:15 I MUST REFUND YOU THE MONEY THAT YOU PAID LAST NIGHT FOR THE ROOM. 24:20 I SAID NO, NO, NO. 24:22 THERE ARE OTHERS WHO - HE SAID THE NEXT TIME YOU COME, YOU PHONE ME, I BOOK THE ROOM, 24:27 I WILL TAKE NOTHING, MY WIFE WILL COOK FOR YOU.WOW. 24:30 BUT YOU KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE THAT AND WE NEED TO JUST NEED TO WORK ON THAT LEVEL. 24:35 YES. 24:37 AND IT IS SO INTERESTING IF THAT KIND OF RECIPROCATES, IF WE CHRISTIANS WOULD RETURN THAT 24:41 FAVOR JUST THE WAY THEY' RE RETURNING. 24:44 WELL, IT IS WONDERFUL TO HAVE YOU WITH US SIR. 24:46 IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE AND AN INSPIRATION TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR WORK AND EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE 24:55 PRETTY OCCUPIED WITH YOUR MINISTRY IN CENTRAL CALIFORNIA BUT YOU ARE STILL COMMITTING 25:01 YOUR WORK WITH GOSPEL OUTREACH IN COUNTRIES LIKE PAKISTAN. 25:06 AS YOU CAN TELL, WHEN YOU TALK AND WHEN YOU ARE IN THE PRESENCE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE 25:12 BEEN THERE, DONE THAT AND BEEN THE PERSON THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU GET A WHOLE 25:17 DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE OF THINGS. 25:19 ISLAM IS NOT A FOE TO RECKON WITH BUT THEY ARE JUST LIKE THE BIBLE SAID GOD'S CREATION. 25:29 THEY ARE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, SHARERS OF GODS PROMISES. 25:33 RIGHT. 25:33 HE DID PROMISE TO ISHMAEL RICH BLESSINGS. 25:36 HE SHALL BECOME A GREAT KINGDOM AND YOU KNOW TWELVE KINGS SHALL, 25:41 SHALL COME FORTH FROM ISHMAEL AND SO IT IS TIME, I THINK FOR US BELIEVERS IN CHRIST AND IN 25:47 SPECIFIC IN THE ADVENTIST CHURCH TO CONSIDER, TO CONSIDER A BROADER PICTURE AND TO SEE 25:53 HOW THE LORD WILL IMPRESS YOU, THE VIEWER, AS YOU ARE WATCHING. 25:58 AS YOU CAN TELL, MY HABIT AS A PASTOR IS TO ENCOURAGE YOU, TO INSPIRE YOU TO BE WHAT GOD HAS 26:07 CALLED YOU TO BE IN THE KINGDOM. 26:09 IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU CAN DO TO THIS END, THIS SPECIFIC FIELD THAT TRANSCENDS PRAYER 26:18 AND TRANSCENDS FINANCIAL GIVING. 26:20 MAYBE IT CALLS YOU FOR A TRANSFORMATION TO COMMIT YOUR LIFE TO FINISH THIS GREAT 26:27 COMMISSION. 26:28 SO, ANY WAY THE SPIRIT LEADS YOU WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. 26:32 YOU CAN CONTACT US AT GOSPEL OUTREACH TELEPHONE NUMBER 509-525-2951. 26:42 IF YOU ARE COMPELED TO CONTACT US AND TO SUPPORT THIS MINISTRY, 26:47 WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IT. 26:49 UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN, ALWAYS REMEMBER JESUS IS FAITHFUL TO HIS WORD. 26:55 THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM WILL BE PREACHED 26:57 TO ALL THE NATIONS AS A WITNESS THEN THE END SHALL COME. 27:03 UNTIL WE SEE THAT BLESSED DAY, MAY THE LORD KEEP YOU AND BLESS YOU. 27:08 [CLOSING MUSIC ]. 27:18 I NEED TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL HERE AT HOME. 27:20 WHERE IS THE 10-40 WINDOW ANYWAY? 27:24 THOSE PEOPLE ARE TOO FAR AWAY. 27:27 SOMEONE ELSE CAN TELL THEM ABOUT JESUS. 27:29 MAYBE THEY COULD JUST WATCH TV. 27:33 NEARLY THREE BILLION PEOPLE TO REACH, MY HEAD HURT. 27:38 THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO, I GIVE UP. 27:42 WHAT'S THE POINT OF TRYING? 27:44 I CAN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 27:45 ACTUALLY YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 27:48 AND JESUS ASKED YOU TO GO TO ALL THE WORLD. 27:52 WHERE? 27:53 ALL THE WORLD. 27:55 HOW CAN I GO, I HAVE COMMITMENTS. 27:57 YOU CAN PRAY. 28:00 YOU CAN VOLUNTEER YOUR TALENTS. 28:05 YOU CAN TELL OTHERS. 28:08 YOU CAN GIVE MONEY TO SPONSOR BIBLE WORKERS. 28:11 MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE SEARCHING FOR HOPE AND MEANING. 28:14 BUT THEY WON'T FIND IT WITHOUT YOU. 28:16 BE THE SPARK. 28:17 LIGHT THE FIRE. 28:19 FINISH THE WORK. 28:23 FINISH THE WORK. |
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