[OPENING MUSIC ].
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HELLO EVERYONE.
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I WANT TO WELCOME YOU TO THIS
SEGMENT OF "ADVENTURES IN
MISSIONS" SPONSORED BY THE
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WONDERFUL MINISTRY
OF GOSPEL OUTREACH.
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AS YOU CAN TELL, THIS PROGRAM
IS DESIGNED TO JUST GIVE YOU AN
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OVERALL IDEA, AN OVERALL
INFORMATION AS TO THE SCOPE OF
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THIS MINISTRY. I HAVE A VERY
SPECIAL GUEST WITH ME THIS
EVENING, OR THIS MORNING,
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WHEREVER YOU ARE
WATCHING THIS PROGRAM.
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FIRST OF ALL, HE IS
A GENUINE CHRISTIAN.
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SECOND, HE WAS BORN IN A COUNTRY
THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO WHERE I
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WAS BORN. I WAS BORN IN IRAN
AND GEORGE WAS BORN IN PAKISTAN.
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FIRST AND FOREMOST, I HAVE TO
ADMIT I HAD NEVER SEEN A BLONDE
HAIRED BLUE EYED TALK THE WAY
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HE TALKS THE PAKISTANI LANGUAGE.
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LO AND BEHOLD HE
WAS BORN IN PAKISTAN.
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GEORGE, I WANT TO WELCOME YOU.
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THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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IT IS A PLEASURE; I'M GLAD TO BE
HERE, TO BE WITH YOU ON THIS
PROGRAM ON THIS SEGMENT.
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VERY CLOSE TO MY HEART THE
OUTREACH TO MUSLIMS AND THE
CHALLENGE OF ISLAM AND THE
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CHALLENGE OF THIS EXPONENTIAL
GROWTH IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES,
ISLAMIC POPULATION.
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BUT WHAT REALLY HAS TROUBLED ME
RECENTLY IS THE LACK OF, I WOULD
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SAY, EDUCATION AND UNDERSTANDING
ON THE PART OF CHRISTIANS ABOUT
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MUSLIMS. AND IN SPECIFIC ABOUT
THE QURAN, THE ISLAMIC HOLY
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BOOK. BUT WHAT I ADMIRE ABOUT
YOU, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I
ADMIRE ABOUT YOU IS THAT YOU
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HAVE TAKEN ON THAT CHALLENGE.
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AND FOR THE YEARS THAT YOU HAVE
BEEN IN MINISTRY BOTH IN YOUR
INDIVIDUAL MINISTRY AND YOUR
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ASSOCIATION
WITH GOSPEL OUTREACH.
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REACHING OUT TO MUSLIMS HAS
BEEN VERY CLOSE TO YOUR HEART.
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THAT'S RIGHT.
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AS WELL.
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FIRST, GIVE US SOME UPDATE AS TO
WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING, WHAT'S
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NEW, WHAT ARE YOU
INVOLVED WITH NOWADAYS.
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I KNOW I'VE HEARD SOME RUMORS
THAT YOU WERE TECHNICALLY
RETIRED BUT AS WE ALL KNOW;
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS
RETIREMENT IN THE KINGDOM.
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YOU KNOW, YOU JUST CHANGE FACES;
YOU CHANGE BASICALLY SPECIALTIES
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AND ALL THAT. KEEP US
UPDATED WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING.
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ACTUALLY, MY WIFE AND I WERE
PRIVILEGED TO HAVE A VERY RICH
AND LONG SERVICE TIME IN ASIA
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AND WE SERVED IN
PAKISTAN BEGINNING IN 1968.
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WE WERE THERE
FOR ABOUT 16 YEARS.
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IN 1983 WE MOVED TO SINGAPORE
AND SO THE NATION JUST TO THE
NORTH OF US WAS MALAYSIA,
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TO THE SOUTH OF US WAS
INDONESIA, LARGEST MUSLIM
COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
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AND FURTHER EAST WAS BUNI AND SO
EVEN THERE WE WERE ABLE TO
CONTINUE TO IMMERSE OURSELVES
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IN THE STUDY OF ISLAM,
IN ASSOCIATION WITH MANY,
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MANY FRIENDS WHO
COME FROM THAT FAITH.
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BUT IN 1997 AFTER SOME 30 YEARS
OF SERVICE IN ASIA, WE RETURNED
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TO THE STATES. IT IS TRUE THAT
AFTER WHAT WAS IT , 2009 I
RETIRED AND I WAS WORKING AT THE
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TIME IN CALIFORNIA THOUGH MY
WIFE AND I BOTH GO TO ASIA A
COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR.
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SOMETIMES TOGETHER,
SOMETIMES SEPARATELY.
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SHE WAS, MOST RECENTLY SHE WAS
IN INDONESIA I THINK JUST LATE
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LAST YEAR. BUT WE RETAIN THIS
INTEREST AND EVEN THOUGH I
RETIRED, I CONTINUE WITH THE
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SAME RESPONSIBILITIES WITH THE
CHURCH THAT I DID BEFORE
RETIREMENT AND WE'VE BEEN SO
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BLEST WITH THIS.
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RIGHT NOW, MY WIFE IS ACTUALLY
INVOLVED WITH A LITERATURE
PUBLICATION AND DISTRIBUTION
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PROGRAM WHERE SHE, SHE'S HELPING
TO PREPARE LITERATURE THAT GOES
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INTO INDONESIA. IT IS BEING
TRANSLATED RIGHT NOW INTO THE
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INDIAN LANGUAGES. IT'S, IT'S
ACTUALLY PENETRATED MANY OF THE
COUNTRIES OF EUROPE,
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SOME 15 OR 16
DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.
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SHE HAS A BACKGROUND IN EDITING,
IN WRITING BOOKS, IN PUBLISHING
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AND SO SHE IS ABLE
TO BE USEFUL WITH THAT.
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BUT I WILL TAKE SEMINARS,
APPOINTMENTS OUTSIDE OF OUR
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AREA. I THINK THE ONLY THING
THAT IS DIFFERENT IN RETIREMENT
IS THAT I DON'T HAVE TO PUNCH
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THE CLOCK, THERE YOU GO, AND
THAT I SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE
TIME WITH MY GRANDCHILDREN.
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MY KIDS STILL SAY
"DAD WHEN WILL YOU RETIRE?
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TELL US ABOUT THAT."
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AND THEN FINALLY THAT I'M ABLE
TO SORT OF SELECT AND PICK THOSE
THINGS THAT I AM REALLY
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INTERESTED IN AND IN ADDITION TO
THE REGULAR RESPONSIBILITIES I
CARRY WITH THE CHURCH THAT I
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AM ABLE TO, YOU KNOW,
GET INTO THOSE ACTIVITIES.
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VERY GOOD.
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WHAT ARE SOME OF THE LATEST
PROJECTS THAT YOU ARE WORKING ON
WITH GOSPEL OUTREACH?
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ACTUALLY, ON THIS TRIP HERE TO
COLLEGE PLACE, I BROUGHT TWO
RETIRED PAKISTANI PASTORS.
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THEY HAD RICH
SERVICE RECORDS OVERSEAS,
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ONE IN TEACHING THE OTHER IN
TEACHING AND IN ADMINISTRATION.
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ONE HAS BEEN HERE IN THE UNITED
STATES FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS AND
THE OTHER JUST ARRIVED JUST A
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COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
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SO IN A SENSE, I AM BEGINNING TO
BUILD A SMALL GROUP OF LEADERS
WHO REALLY UNDERSTAND
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GOSPEL OUTREACH AND ITS MISSION
AND WHO WILL BE ABLE TO RETURN
TO PAKISTAN ALONG WITH ME AND
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ALSO SEPARATELY TO, YOU KNOW,
GET MORE VIDEO FOOTAGE, TELL THE
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STORIES OF WHAT IS HAPPENING
THERE AND TO SUPPORT GOSPEL
OUTREACH IN OUR OVERSEAS
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MISSION. OF COURSE WE
HAVE OUR HOME BASE HERE; SURE,
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IN COLLEGE PLACE BUT
THE REAL ACTION IS OVERSEAS.
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THE CURRENT PROJECTS THAT ARE
GOING ON IN PAKISTAN, HOW
INTRICATELY ARE YOU INVOLVED?
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WELL, IN PAKISTAN AT PRESENT AND
I'M THE CONTACT PERSON FOR
GOSPEL OUTREACH FOR PAKISTAN,
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BUT AT PRESENT IF YOU LOOK AT
THE CHURCH YOU WOULD FIND THAT
WE HAVE SOME 52 SEVENTH DAY
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ADVENTIST WORKERS SUPPORTED BY
THE CHURCH BUT GOSPEL OUTREACH
IS REPRESENTED IN PAKISTAN BY
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48 WHICH MEANS THAT ABOUT
95 PER CENT OF THE WORKER FORCE
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IN PAKISTAN IS
SUPPORTED BY GOSPEL OUTREACH.
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THIS HAS REALLY ALLOWED US TO
OPEN UP NEW AREAS AND I THINK TO
HAVE A YOUNGER AND PERHAPS
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MORE VITAL GROUP OF WORKERS
BECAUSE THE WORKING FORCE, BY
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AND LARGE, IS RATHER ELDERLY BUT
THESE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE JUST FULL
OF ENTHUSIASM AND IT'S WONDERFUL
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TO WATCH THEM AT WORK.
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WELL, BASICALLY PAKISTAN IS ONE
OF THE LARGEST ISLAMIC COUNTRIES
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AND WITHIN ITSELF THERE ARE SO
MANY SUBDIVISIONS OF ISLAMIC AND
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HINDU. THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN
BRUTAL CLASHES AND SO FORTH AND
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SO ON. THE QUESTION THAT COMES
TO MY MIND, IN YOUR ESTIMATION
SINCE YOU'VE BEEN PART OF THIS
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ORGANIZATION, HOW AND WHAT
IS THE QUALITY OF THE WORK IN
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PAKISTAN? HOW FAST HAS IT GROWN?
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IN WHAT AREAS DOES IT GROW
AND WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES.
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I MEAN ALWAYS FINANCES, YES WILL
BE THE CHALLENGES AND SO FORTH
BUT BASICALLY WITH,
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YOU KNOW, THE INFLUX OF RADICAL
ISLAM IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD
AND SPECIFICALLY IN PAKISTAN.
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BECAUSE PAKISTAN I THINK IS A
CONGLOMERATION OF SO MANY
ISLAMIC POPULATION GROUPS THAT
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ARE NOT NECESSARILY PAKISTANIS,
YOU KNOW THEY ARE FROM DIFFERENT
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PARTS. WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES
THAT OUR WORKERS HAVE TO DEAL
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WITH? JUST THIS MORNING FOR
INTERESTS SAKE, I GOT ON THE
COMPUTER AND CHECKED TO SEE WHAT
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THE POPULATION OF PAKISTAN IS.
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CURRENTLY, IT STANDS
AT 187 MILLION PEOPLE.
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IT IS THE SIXTH LARGEST
POPULATION COUNTRYWISE IN THE
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WORLD. I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS.
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INDONESIA, OF COURSE, IS THE
LARGEST ISLAMIC COUNTRY WITH
OVER 250 MILLION BUT PAKISTAN
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IS RIGHT UP THERE.
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BANGLADESH OF COURSE, HAS MORE
POPULATION THAN PAKISTAN DOES.
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PAKISTAN IS UNIQUE, OF COURSE
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LANGUAGES;
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THE MAIN ONES WOULD BE URDU,
THAT'S THE NATIONAL LANGUAGE AND
OF COURSE YOU HAVE PUNJABI.
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THAT WOULD BE THE LARGEST
PROVINCE AND OF COURSE INDIA AND
PAKISTAN BOTH SHARE PUNJAB,
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WEST PUNJAB, EAST PUNJAB AND
THERE IS SINDH, THERE IS
BALUCHISTAN BORDERING IRAN AND
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THEN YOU HAVE
NORTHWEST FRONTIER PROVINCE
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WHICH BORDERS LARGELY TO
THE NORTH WITH AFGHANISTAN.
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THERE ARE DIVISIONS WITH THESE
FOLKS AND OF COURSE I THINK THAT
RADICAL ISLAM HAS COLORED
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THE PICTURE AND THE RESPONSES
OF ONE GROUP TOWARD THE OTHER A
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GREAT DEAL. PERHAPS TODAY THE
TWO RELIGIONS, THE GREAT
RELIGIONS CHRISTIANITY OF COURSE
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IS A SMALL PERCENTAGE MAYBE 3-4%
IN PAKISTAN BUT THEY APPROACH
EACH OTHER CAUTIOUSLY AND THE
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THREAT OF SECURITY BREACHES
AND SO FORTH IS ALWAYS THERE.
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I THINK THE CHALLENGE TO US AND
WE'VE SEEN THIS MORE AND MORE,
THE CHALLENGE TO US IS THAT WE
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ENSURE THAT OUR APPROACHES, THAT
OUR OPENNESS AND SO FORTH IS
BASED ON SPIRITUALITY.
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AND I CONTRAST THIS
WITH THE WORD RELIGION.
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RELIGION OFTEN LEADS YOU TO
FIXED LINES, TO WALLS BUILT,
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LABELS, TO LABELS, TO
DISAGREEMENTS AND ARGUMENTS AND
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SO FORTH. BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU
REALLY COME IN CONTACT WITH A
VERY SPIRITUAL PERSON NO MATTER
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WHICH, WHICH, YOU KNOW,
CONVICTION OR FAITH THEY COME
FROM YOU FIND THAT HEARTS
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RESONATE TOGETHER AND THIS HAS
BEEN, I THINK IT IS DIFFICULT
FOR THE WEST TO PERCEIVE THIS.
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BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN CERTAIN
EVENTS THAT MAYBE COLOR OUR
MINDS AND THINKING BUT WHEN YOU
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REALLY, REALLY COME IN CONTACT
WITH A SPIRITUAL, DEEPLY GOD
FEARING CHRISTIAN, YOU KNOW,
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OR MUSLIM OR SOMETHING.
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SOMEHOW THAT CUTS RIGHT ACROSS
ALL ACROSS ALL THESE BARRIERS
AND YOU DON'T ARGUE ANYMORE.
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INSTEAD YOU FELLOWSHIP TOGETHER
AS REAL COMPANIONS, FELLOW
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TRAVELERS. WHY DON'T YOU EXPOUND
ON THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU
JUST TOUCHED A VERY HOT BUTTON.
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THE COMMUNITY, OR I WOULD SAY
THE COMMONALITY IN THE TWO
COMMUNITIES OF CHRISTIANS AND
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MUSLIMS; OBVIOUSLY IN PAKISTAN
THE MAJORITY ARE MUSLIMS OR
HINDUS BUT IN, YOU KNOW,
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FOR OUR CONVERSATION SAKE, HOW
CAN THAT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE TWO
DIFFERENT FUNDAMENTALLY
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DIFFERENT RELIGIONS?
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WELL, YOU AND I KNOW THAT THERE
IS SO MUCH SIMILARITY BETWEEN
CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM OR BIBLE
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AND THE QURAN BUT IN COMMUNITY
SENSE, HOW CAN THAT BE POSSIBLE?
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HOW CAN THEY HAVE A COMMUNITY
YET HAVE THEIR OWN DISTINCT
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IDENTITIES? LET ME
TELL A LITTLE STORY.
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TO ME, THIS SORT OF ILLUSTRATES
WHAT YOU HAVE JUST SAID IN THE
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ABSTRACT. I WAS FLYING WEST IN A
JUMBO 747 ACROSS THE PACIFIC AND
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IT WAS L.A. OR SAN
FRANCISCO TO HONG KONG.
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I GET UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
NIGHT BECAUSE I NEED TO STRETCH
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MY LEGS. SO, I WALK UP AND DOWN
THE AISLE AND AT THE END OF THE
AISLE BACK TOWARD THE BACK OF
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THE PLANE IS A MAN I RECOGNIZE.
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HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN EITHER
YOU KNOW PAKISTANI OR INDIA.
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WE BEGIN TO SPEAK AND WE FIND
THAT WE SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE,
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URDU. AND HE IS WELL EDUCATED.
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OF COURSE YOU KNOW, WE CAN SHARE
TOGETHER-HE WAS SO SURPRISED
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THAT I SPOKE URDU. WE BEGAN TO
TALK AND HE SAID, "WHAT DO YOU
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DO"? I SAID, "WELL,
I'M A CHRISTIAN PASTOR.
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I WAS A MISSIONARY IN PAKISTAN."
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SO HE COMMENTS TO ME, THIS
MUST HAVE BEEN VERY DIFFICULT?
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HOW DID YOU SURVIVE?
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HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?
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AND I SAID TO HIM; LET
ME TELL YOU WHAT I AM DOING.
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I'M ON MY WAY NOW TO BANGLADESH
AND I HAVE A SMALL GROUP OF
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PEOPLE WITH ME. WE ARE TAKING
SOLAR EQUIPMENT FOR A SCHOOL WAY
OUT IN THE RURAL AREA.
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THEY HAVE NO ELECTRICITY.
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THE KIDS CAN'T STUDY AT NIGHT SO
WE ARE GOING TO SET THIS UP SO
THAT THEY HAVE LIGHT WITH
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WHICH TO COOK AND THEY
HAVE LIGHT WITH WHICH TO STUDY.
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HE SAID THAT'S GOOD.
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AND IN OUR INTRODUCTIONS HE TOLD
ME THAT HE WAS AN ENGINEER AND
HE WAS AN EXECUTIVE WITH
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PHILLIPS, THE GIANT
DUTCH COMPANY THERE.O.K.
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SO, WE TALK ABOUT THIS AND
WE BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT SPIRITUAL
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THINGS. I CAN TELL THAT HE IS
TURNED OFF BY WHAT IS HAPPENING
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IN THE WORLD TODAY AND
ALL THE MISUNDERSTANDINGS.
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FINALLY I SAY TO HIM, MY FRIEND,
DO YOU STILL SAY YOUR NAMAZ?
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DO YOU STILL
PRAY FIVE TIMES A DAY?
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HE LOOKS AT ME
AND SAYS NO, I DON'T.
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HE SAID I AM DISENCHANTED.
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I'M REALLY, REALLY TURNED OFF BY
WHAT IS GOING ON AND SO FORTH.
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AND I SAY TO HIM IN RETURN,
"LOOK MANY OF THE DISAGREEMENTS
ARE THE WORKS OF MEN,
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IT IS THE SPEECH, IT IS
THESE HARSH THINGS WE SAY ONE TO
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ANOTHER. IF YOUR MOTHER TAUGHT
YOU WHEN YOU WERE STANDING BY
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HER KNEE TO PRAY, THEN DON'T
GIVE UP PRAYER BECAUSE THAT'S
GOD, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING HERE
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ON THIS EARTH. THIS IS YOUR
RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD HIMSELF.
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AFTER A FEW
MOMENTS, HE TURNS TO ME
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AND SAYS NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY
YOU DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM IN
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PAKISTAN. YOU
WERE REACHING DEEPER.
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THAT'S IT.
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AND THEN HE COMES BACK AND HE
SAYS TO ME AS WE CONCLUDE AND WE
GO BACK TO OUR SEATS,
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BY THE WAY YOU KNOW I HAVE
INFLUENCE IN PHILLIPS AND I CAN
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ARRANGE THINGS. HE SAID THE NEXT
TIME YOU GO ON A TRIP LIKE THIS
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HE SAID CALL ME. EVERYTHING
YOU TAKE WILL BE DONATED BY
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PHILLIPS. SO YOU CAN SEE
THIS YEARNING IN THE HEART.
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HE THANKED ME AT THE END
BECAUSE, I MEAN HE SAID IT'S
AMAZING TO ME YOU'VE TOLD ME TO
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BE A BETTER MUSLIM, YOU KNOW.
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IN A WAY YOU KNOW, IF A MUSLIM
WOULD COME TO ME AND CHALLENGE
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ME, I COULD BE A
BETTER CHRISTIAN.
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YOU SEE, THAT YOU JUST, YOU
KNOW, PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE
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PULSE. THE OVERALL CONVERSATION
TOOK HOW MANY MINUTES?
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FIFTEEN.
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FIFTEEN MINUTES, RIGHT?
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YOU PROBABLY LEFT A LASTING
IMPRESSION ON THAT MAN'S MIND
AND VISAVERSA, RIGHT?
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THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT GOSPEL
OUTREACH HAS BEEN PROMOTING.
00:16:32.30\00:16:37.86
WE ARE NOT HERE
TO PROMOTE RELIGION;
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WE ARE NOT HERE TO PROMOTE
WHO IS WRONG AND WHO IS RIGHT.
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WE ARE HERE TO INTRODUCE THEM TO
THE ONE WHO CREATED THEM IN HIS
00:16:45.26\00:16:51.53
IMAGE. RIGHT.
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TO JESUS CHRIST OR ISA EL
MASIH AS HIS NAME IS IN ARABIC.
00:16:52.66\00:16:57.86
AS YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS
SEGMENT OF "ADVENTURES IN
MISSIONS", IF THE DISCUSSIONS,
00:16:57.86\00:17:03.50
IF THE TOPICS ARE RESONATING
WITH YOU, IF YOU ARE WATCHING
THIS PROGRAM AND SAYING WOW,
00:17:03.50\00:17:10.33
THERE IS A SHARP CONTRAST
BETWEEN WHAT I'M HEARING AND
WHAT THE NETWORK NEWS ARE
00:17:10.33\00:17:16.20
SHARING WITH US ABOUT MUSLIMS,
THEN I ENCOURAGE YOU, I
CHALLENGE YOU I SHOULD SAY,
00:17:16.20\00:17:22.06
TO CONTACT US.
00:17:22.06\00:17:23.83
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
BROWSE OUR WEBSITE YOU CAN GO TO
00:17:31.23\00:17:36.00
FIRST HAND YOU CAN FAMILIARIZE
YOURSELF WITH THE WORLDWIDE
00:17:36.00\00:17:42.06
OPERATIONS OF GOSPEL OUTREACH.
00:17:46.36\00:17:48.33
I HAVE A BURNING
QUESTION REGARDING THE WORKERS,
00:17:48.33\00:17:54.40
THE GOSPEL OUTREACH
WORKERS IN PAKISTAN.
00:17:56.96\00:17:59.03
HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE, FIRST
MAYBE IT IS A TWO PART QUESTION?
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BUT WHAT PERCENTAGE OF
THE WORKERS WERE FROM ISLAMIC
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BACKGROUNDS? JUST A HANDFUL,
I DOUBT IT WAS FIVE PER CENT.
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FIVE PER CENT.
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THE REST ARE FROM -THEY ARE
PROBABLY BY AND LARGE FROM
CHRISTIAN BACKGROUNDS.
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YES.
00:18:21.83\00:18:22.83
NON ADVENTIST OR
ADVENTIST BACKGROUNDS?
00:18:22.83\00:18:24.23
THEY ARE ADVENTISTS BUT MANY
OF THEM, WHEN YOU SAY FROM WHICH
00:18:24.23\00:18:28.80
BACKGROUND, MANY OF THEM
WOULD HAVE COME FROM VARIED
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BACKGROUNDS. O.K.
00:18:32.26\00:18:33.53
BUT THEY HAVE MESHED TOGETHER IN
THIS MISSION OF GOSPEL OUTREACH.
00:18:33.53\00:18:35.46
SO YOU SAY ABOUT FIVE PER CENT
ARE FROM ISLAMIC BACKGROUND?
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FIVE PERCENT.
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O.K.
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WHAT KIND OF WORK DID IT TAKE OR
HOW LONG DID IT TAKE FOR THOSE
00:18:41.73\00:18:48.76
WITH THE ISLAMIC BACKGROUNDS TO
BE PUT IN THE MISSION FIELDS
FROM THE TIME THAT THEY WERE
00:18:48.76\00:18:53.53
INTRODUCED TO CHRIST TO THE TIME
THAT THEY ARE OUT IN THE MISSION
00:18:53.53\00:18:57.46
FIELDS? OFTEN, THIS WOULD TAKE
YEARS AND THE REASON WHY IS THAT
OFTEN THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED
00:18:57.46\00:19:04.33
IN CHILDHOOD, MAYBE IN SCHOOL
AND SO FORTH THEY HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY AND THEY
00:19:04.33\00:19:10.76
STUDIED THE QURAN SHARIF AND
THEY STUDIED THE BIBLE MURKUDIS,
00:19:10.76\00:19:14.53
THE HOLY BIBLE AND SO IN DOING
THIS, AND REMEMBER THIS IS VERY
00:19:14.53\00:19:21.33
VITAL, REMEMBER THAT ISLAM
TEACHES BELIEF IN FOUR HOLY
BOOKS: THE TAWRAT, THE ZABUR,
00:19:21.33\00:19:27.93
THE INJIL AND THE QURAN.
00:19:27.93\00:19:29.46
FOR THOSE WHO ARE HEARING THIS
AND IT SOUNDS A BIT FOREIGN, THE
00:19:29.46\00:19:33.53
TAWRUT OR TORAH, IS
BASICALLY IN THE MIND
00:19:33.53\00:19:35.00
OR I WOULD SAY IN THE
ISLAMIC CONTEXT IT MEANS THE OLD
00:19:35.00\00:19:41.06
TESTAMENT. RIGHT.
00:19:45.60\00:19:46.93
BUT WE KNOW THAT ANYTHING THAT
MOSES WROTE WAS CONSIDERED THE
00:19:46.93\00:19:49.40
TORAH. THEN YOU SAID,
ZABUR, ZABUR ARE THE PSALMS.
00:19:49.40\00:19:52.60
PSALMS.
00:19:52.60\00:19:54.26
WHATEVER DAVID WROTE AND THEN
YOU HAVE THE INJIL, MEANING THE
GOOD NEWS OR THE GOSPELS,
00:19:54.26\00:20:00.83
IT'S SO INTERESTING.
00:20:00.83\00:20:01.73
AND THE FOURTH ONE
WAS THE QURAN, THE QURAN.
00:20:01.73\00:20:03.40
AS FAR AS THE, I DON'T WANT TO
USE THE TERM SUCCESS RIGHT,
BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING
00:20:03.40\00:20:09.36
ONLY HE IS THE ONE THAT WOULD
DECIDE THAT BUT WE ARE CALLED TO
BE FAITHFUL MORE THAN
00:20:13.00\00:20:18.56
ANYTHING ELSE, WE ARE
CALLED TO BE FAITHFUL.
00:20:18.56\00:20:21.63
THESE MUSLIM BACKGROUNDS OR THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE REACHING OUT TO
THEIR OWN NOW IN PAKISTAN,
00:20:21.63\00:20:27.66
WHAT HAS BEEN THE FRUIT OF THIS
LABOR OF YOU SAID 50 PLUS GOSPEL
00:20:30.30\00:20:36.40
OUTREACH WORKERS.
ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW, 44.
00:20:36.40\00:20:38.33
FORTY FOUR.
00:20:38.33\00:20:40.40
FOR THE LACK OF A BETTER
WORD, WHAT IS THE SUCCESS RATE?
00:20:41.60\00:20:45.63
YOU KNOW I SUPPOSE,
HOW DO WE GAUGE THAT?
00:20:45.63\00:20:48.06
I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT IT
ALL DEPENDS ON HOW YOU SPEAK OF
00:20:48.06\00:20:50.96
SUCCESS. UH HUH.
00:20:50.96\00:20:55.26
TO ME, SUCCESS IN NUMBERS IS
MAYBE A CHEAP THING BECAUSE IT
IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR US AS
00:20:55.26\00:21:02.43
HUMAN BEINGS TO READ HEARTS.
00:21:02.43\00:21:05.26
BUT AS YOU LOOK AT THE INFLUENCE
OF PEOPLE AND SOME OF COURSE
WILL BE WORKING TOWARD A
00:21:05.26\00:21:12.90
BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF
OTHERS, YOU MIGHT HAVE EITHER A
00:21:12.90\00:21:17.23
CHRISTIAN, BY THE WAY ISLAM CAN
BE VERY MISSIONARY MINDED, YOU
KNOW, TYPE OF RELIGION.
00:21:17.23\00:21:23.30
YOU TAKE BUDDHISM; BUDDISTS ARE
NOT OUT PROCLAIMING THEIR
TEACHINGS TO THE WORLD.
00:21:27.40\00:21:32.56
IN FACT, IF IMMIGRANTS COME TO
THE UNITED STATES THEY WOULD
CALL IN FINALLY A BUDDIST
00:21:32.56\00:21:38.53
PRIEST OR TEACHER TO TEACH THEIR
CHILDREN AND SO THAT'S HOW,
00:21:38.53\00:21:42.70
SO THAT'S NOT EVANGELISTIC,
NO NOT EVANGELISTC BUT ISLAM YOU
00:21:42.70\00:21:46.73
KNOW, THEY WILL STUDY THE BIBLE,
FOR EXAMPLE, IN ORDER TO HAVE
00:21:46.73\00:21:51.30
DIALECTIC , YOU KNOW AND
DISCUSSION WITH CHRISTIANS.
00:21:51.30\00:21:54.30
CHRISTIANS DO THE SAME.
00:21:54.30\00:21:55.80
I THINK OFTEN THE HEARTS OF
THESE GOSPEL OUTREACH VOLUNTEERS
00:21:55.80\00:22:01.43
WHO ARE ENGAGED IN MINISTRY IN
THESE COMMUNITIES, IT'S AS IF IN
THEIR HEART THEY KNOW THEY HAVE
00:22:03.66\00:22:09.73
SOMETHING, THEY HAVE DISCOVERED
SOMETHING THAT OTHERS DON'T HAVE
AND SO THERE IS THIS PASSION TO
00:22:09.73\00:22:14.43
SAY "DO YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND?"
00:22:14.43\00:22:16.90
MAYBE YOU AREN'T REALLY STUDYING
THE THREE BOOKS; YOU ARE ONLY
LOOKING AT THE FOURTH?
00:22:16.90\00:22:23.23
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THERE ARE
NUGGETS OF TRUTH HERE WHICH YOU
00:22:23.23\00:22:27.83
SHOULD UNDERSTAND? SO, I THINK
IT'S AN APPROACH OF THAT SORT
AND TO WHAT EXTENT THEN CAN YOU
00:22:27.83\00:22:33.40
SAY, WELL WE SUCCEEDED IN THIS
WAY OR WE SUCCEEDED, THAT'S ONLY
00:22:33.40\00:22:38.03
IN THE HEART. O.K.
00:22:38.03\00:22:39.56
SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE SOLE
MISSION OF THE GOSPEL OUTREACH
WORKERS IN PAKISTAN.
00:22:39.56\00:22:42.63
I THINK YOU KNOW BASICALLY, YOU
KNOW AS YOU LOOK AT IT YOU
REALIZE IT'S THIS PROCLAMATION
00:22:42.63\00:22:48.46
AND CREATING BETTER
UNDERSTANDING AND BY THE WAY THE
00:22:48.46\00:22:52.90
REVERSE IS TRUE. GOSPEL OUTREACH
IS WORKING HERE IN THE UNITED
STATES FOR US TO CULTIVATE
00:22:52.90\00:22:58.33
BETTER RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR
NEIGHBORS IN ISLAM AND IN OTHER
RELIGIONS AS WELL.SURE.
00:22:58.33\00:23:01.80
ABSOLUTELY.
00:23:01.80\00:23:02.66
WE ARE NOT ENEMIES,
ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW.
00:23:02.66\00:23:04.76
HOW DO YOU SEE THE NEXT
COUPLE OF YEARS IN THIS FIELD?
00:23:04.76\00:23:10.93
IN THAT PARTICULAR FIELD?
00:23:10.93\00:23:12.40
WHAT ARE YOU ENVISIONING, WHAT
ARE YOUR ASPIRATIONS IN TERMS OF
00:23:12.40\00:23:18.43
SEEING DONE. WELL, I WOULD SAY
THIS I THINK THAT IN BOTH THESE
GREAT FAITHS THAT THERE ARE FAR
00:23:18.43\00:23:24.50
MORE MODERATE AND PEACE LOVING
AND SPIRITUAL PEOPLE THAN THERE
00:23:30.13\00:23:36.16
ARE RADICALS. MANY PEOPLE ARE
LOOKING FOR ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS
THAT WORLD EVENTS HAVE BROUGHT.
00:23:38.53\00:23:45.43
AND I THINK IT'S A COMMISSION,
IT'S A CHALLENGE TO US TO GO OUT
AND SHARE THAT GOOD WILL
00:23:45.43\00:23:51.50
WITH OTHERS.
00:23:54.96\00:23:56.60
A FEW DAYS AGO I WAS TRAVELING
ON THE EAST COAST, STOPPED AT
NIGHT AND PAID FOR A MOTEL,
00:23:56.60\00:24:01.36
FOUND OUT THAT
THEY WERE INDIANS.
00:24:01.36\00:24:03.36
TURNED OUT THE OWNER, THE NEXT
MORNING WAS A PRATHAN, HE WAS A
00:24:03.36\00:24:08.93
MUSLIM. BEFORE WE FINISHED
DISCUSSING, HE SAID TO ME OVER
BREAKFAST, HE JUST CAME TO SIT
00:24:08.93\00:24:15.00
WITH ME; I MUST REFUND YOU THE
MONEY THAT YOU PAID LAST NIGHT
00:24:15.00\00:24:20.40
FOR THE ROOM. I SAID NO, NO, NO.
00:24:20.40\00:24:22.00
THERE ARE OTHERS WHO - HE SAID
THE NEXT TIME YOU COME, YOU
PHONE ME, I BOOK THE ROOM,
00:24:22.00\00:24:27.76
I WILL TAKE NOTHING, MY
WIFE WILL COOK FOR YOU.WOW.
00:24:27.76\00:24:30.86
BUT YOU KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE
LIKE THAT AND WE NEED TO JUST
NEED TO WORK ON THAT LEVEL.
00:24:30.86\00:24:35.83
YES.
00:24:35.83\00:24:37.53
AND IT IS SO INTERESTING IF THAT
KIND OF RECIPROCATES, IF WE
CHRISTIANS WOULD RETURN THAT
00:24:37.53\00:24:41.93
FAVOR JUST THE WAY
THEY' RE RETURNING.
00:24:41.93\00:24:44.26
WELL, IT IS WONDERFUL
TO HAVE YOU WITH US SIR.
00:24:44.26\00:24:46.30
IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE AND AN
INSPIRATION TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR
WORK AND EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE
00:24:46.30\00:24:52.36
PRETTY OCCUPIED WITH YOUR
MINISTRY IN CENTRAL CALIFORNIA
BUT YOU ARE STILL COMMITTING
00:24:55.73\00:25:01.80
YOUR WORK WITH GOSPEL OUTREACH
IN COUNTRIES LIKE PAKISTAN.
00:25:01.80\00:25:06.43
AS YOU CAN TELL, WHEN YOU TALK
AND WHEN YOU ARE IN THE PRESENCE
00:25:06.43\00:25:12.60
OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THERE,
DONE THAT AND BEEN THE PERSON
THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU
00:25:12.60\00:25:17.43
GET A WHOLE DIFFERENT
PERSPECTIVE OF THINGS.
00:25:17.43\00:25:19.70
ISLAM IS NOT A FOE TO RECKON
WITH BUT THEY ARE JUST LIKE THE
BIBLE SAID GOD'S CREATION.
00:25:19.70\00:25:25.76
THEY ARE, AS A MATTER OF
FACT, SHARERS OF GODS PROMISES.
00:25:29.06\00:25:33.03
RIGHT.
00:25:33.03\00:25:33.90
HE DID PROMISE TO
ISHMAEL RICH BLESSINGS.
00:25:33.90\00:25:36.63
HE SHALL BECOME A GREAT KINGDOM
AND YOU KNOW TWELVE KINGS SHALL,
00:25:36.63\00:25:41.73
SHALL COME FORTH FROM ISHMAEL
AND SO IT IS TIME, I THINK FOR
US BELIEVERS IN CHRIST AND IN
00:25:41.73\00:25:47.63
SPECIFIC IN THE ADVENTIST CHURCH
TO CONSIDER, TO CONSIDER A
BROADER PICTURE AND TO SEE
00:25:47.63\00:25:53.76
HOW THE LORD WILL IMPRESS YOU,
THE VIEWER, AS YOU ARE WATCHING.
00:25:53.76\00:25:58.03
AS YOU CAN TELL, MY HABIT AS A
PASTOR IS TO ENCOURAGE YOU, TO
INSPIRE YOU TO BE WHAT GOD HAS
00:25:58.03\00:26:04.16
CALLED YOU TO BE IN THE KINGDOM.
00:26:07.53\00:26:09.46
IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU CAN DO
TO THIS END, THIS SPECIFIC FIELD
THAT TRANSCENDS PRAYER
00:26:09.46\00:26:15.53
AND TRANSCENDS FINANCIAL GIVING.
00:26:18.56\00:26:20.66
MAYBE IT CALLS YOU FOR A
TRANSFORMATION TO COMMIT YOUR
LIFE TO FINISH THIS GREAT
00:26:20.66\00:26:27.56
COMMISSION.
00:26:27.56\00:26:28.80
SO, ANY WAY THE SPIRIT LEADS YOU
WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
00:26:28.80\00:26:32.10
YOU CAN CONTACT US AT
GOSPEL OUTREACH TELEPHONE NUMBER
00:26:32.10\00:26:38.33
509-525-2951. IF YOU ARE
COMPELED TO CONTACT US AND TO
SUPPORT THIS MINISTRY,
00:26:42.70\00:26:47.53
WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IT.
00:26:47.53\00:26:49.06
UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN, ALWAYS
REMEMBER JESUS IS FAITHFUL TO
00:26:49.06\00:26:55.26
HIS WORD. THIS GOSPEL OF
THE KINGDOM WILL BE PREACHED
00:26:55.26\00:26:57.86
TO ALL THE NATIONS AS A
WITNESS THEN THE END SHALL COME.
00:26:57.86\00:27:03.70
UNTIL WE SEE THAT BLESSED DAY,
MAY THE LORD KEEP YOU AND BLESS
00:27:03.70\00:27:07.43
YOU. [CLOSING MUSIC ].
00:27:08.33\00:27:17.86
I NEED TO SPREAD
THE GOSPEL HERE AT HOME.
00:27:18.70\00:27:20.73
WHERE IS THE
10-40 WINDOW ANYWAY?
00:27:20.73\00:27:24.20
THOSE PEOPLE ARE TOO FAR AWAY.
00:27:24.20\00:27:27.36
SOMEONE ELSE CAN
TELL THEM ABOUT JESUS.
00:27:27.36\00:27:29.73
MAYBE THEY COULD JUST WATCH TV.
00:27:29.73\00:27:33.26
NEARLY THREE BILLION
PEOPLE TO REACH, MY HEAD HURT.
00:27:33.26\00:27:38.53
THERE'S NOTHING I
CAN DO, I GIVE UP.
00:27:38.53\00:27:42.20
WHAT'S THE POINT OF TRYING?
00:27:42.20\00:27:44.16
I CAN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
00:27:44.16\00:27:45.43
ACTUALLY YOU CAN
MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
00:27:45.43\00:27:48.60
AND JESUS ASKED YOU
TO GO TO ALL THE WORLD.
00:27:48.60\00:27:52.30
WHERE?
00:27:52.30\00:27:53.56
ALL THE WORLD.
00:27:53.56\00:27:55.23
HOW CAN I GO, I
HAVE COMMITMENTS.
00:27:55.23\00:27:57.80
YOU CAN PRAY.
00:27:57.80\00:28:00.13
YOU CAN VOLUNTEER YOUR TALENTS.
00:28:00.13\00:28:05.50
YOU CAN TELL OTHERS.
00:28:05.50\00:28:08.03
YOU CAN GIVE MONEY TO
SPONSOR BIBLE WORKERS.
00:28:08.03\00:28:11.63
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE
SEARCHING FOR HOPE AND MEANING.
00:28:11.63\00:28:14.56
BUT THEY WON'T
FIND IT WITHOUT YOU.
00:28:14.56\00:28:16.80
BE THE SPARK.
00:28:16.80\00:28:17.96
LIGHT THE FIRE.
00:28:17.96\00:28:19.40
FINISH THE WORK.
00:28:19.40\00:28:23.43
FINISH THE WORK.
00:28:23.43\00:28:24.43