A good father takes time to play
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He has strong integrity
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He is someone
that is truly dedicated
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He's not afraid to show his love
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He's a caring provider
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And, he's a
kind, spiritual leader
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These are just a few ways
to describe a father's heart
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Hi welcome to A
Father's Heart My name is Xavier
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and I got a question for you
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Have you ever been
caught in the middle?
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Have you ever been caught
between a rock and a hard place?
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Today's topic is
Caught In The Middle.
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What to do to help your child?
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And with me today are guests
Gordon Fraser and Denry White
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How you guys doing today?
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Real good. Good
man. Good to be back
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Well have you ever
been caught in the middle?
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What does it look like for a
child to be caught in the middle
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What do you think about when
you hear something like that?
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Well if I'm assuming what
you're talking about is that
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when especially a situation
like a divorce or argument
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and the child is stuck in the
middle, sometimes literally in
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the middle and they feel like
they have to make a decision
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between mom or dad, I
know for myself I've been stuck
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in that place for a
long, for a couple of times.
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Quite a few times
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You know exactly what we're
talking about, it's the fact
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that the child is caught
in the middle, you know, and
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I myself have a child
from a previous marriage
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and I know in co-parenting
class they teach you not to put
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your child in the middle
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You know it's not about what you
feel or how you feel about the
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other parent but your
child, what your child needs
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And I know myself, I came you
know, my parents are celebrating
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40 years of marriage and it's
like sometimes even in their
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disagreements you kind of feel
stuck. And it does something to
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you. I don't know,
what do you think Gordon?
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I mean I look at a child,
two parents have a disagreement
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like you said or they're fightin
and not speakin to each other
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And the one will say,
tell your father that.
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The other one will
say tell your mother that
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That is not a good thing
for the child because the child
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feels pressured to choose, you
know, choose sides and the child
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should never be in that kind
of a situation where they have
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to choose which
parent they should please.
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And that's where we put
our children when we get them
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caught up. We're grown.
I mean we're grown people
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We need to leave our
children out of our arguments
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they should never be
involved in our argument
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My aunt used to say, keep the
kids away from all the different
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types of, not in
front of the children
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was her favorite saying.
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So that's something we should
do as parents, keep our children
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out of it, don't let them
feel that they have to choose
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because it adds undue stress
for them, they're already going
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through a lot. So we shouldn't
give them that, put them through
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that kind of stress.
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And it also, I feel
like, diminishes one parent.
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Because the child's going
to choose and sometimes the
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conversation or the situation
one parent may put the child
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against the other parent and
it diminishes and I know for men
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you know men in general,
every man likes to be respected
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and if the mother or the
wife whatever the case may be
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speaks negative of the father it
diminishes that guy's authority
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or who he is as a person.
So whether it's true or false
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it's like you break
down that individual.
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It does. Attacking any parent,
more specifically the father
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diminishing who he is as a
father, it does and actually
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it wears on the child
because from my perspective
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what I read and study is that
God the Father, the image of
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God the Father comes through
the physical father, your child
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sees you not essentially as
God but they see an image of God
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through you. They mimic their
relationship that we have with
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God through what you do and when
you do these certain of things
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as far as making them decide
or be caught in the middle
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You know, go tell your mother
or tell this to your mother or
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tell this to your father, that
kind of thing, it does, you know
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you're really hampering that
relationship, you're basically
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marring the image of God.
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Let me grab my pillow on
this one. Going into that moment
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So there was a situation I had
where my parents were you know
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they were just going
at each other, literally.
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Throughout their marriage,
you know that time period
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and my mom, I guess just having
someone to talk to because
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sometimes we don't understand
our parents, sometimes they
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get stressed out, sometimes
they want someone to talk with
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and so she saw me as that outlet
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so instead of going to
her friends or someone else
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she saw me as the outlet.
So she would come all the time
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and tell me about
what my dad wasn't doing.
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It was most of the time stuff
like just problems that they
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have, he's not helping me here
he's not doing this and you know
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what that was doing slowly
to me it was eating me away
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and how I felt towards my dad
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Whatever love, whatever respect
I had for him was just slowly
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being pulled away, I had a
resentment for him, for years
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because of those conversations
with her. I don't think that
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a child should have that
dialogue, it's not fair to the
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child. They should be able
to make a decision on their own
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A child is not an attorney
or not even a jury you know they
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should be able to come and make
on their own, ok mom is messed
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up, dad is messed up. No
one is perfect but if you pull a
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child in there and especially
if you get close with them and
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feed them you know
they may feel like, Ugh
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they have that resentment
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It's not the child's fault,
they didn't want to be born, so
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I mean they're children. They're
still dealin with the fun stuff
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as they should be dealin with
but a lot of times as parents
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we put them into this situation
and they have to grow up before
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their time and then they become
monsters later on down the road
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and so we shouldn't put
our kids in this situation
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we need to be as fathers,
I think we need to reflect
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the image of Christ as
that father, our role as far as
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that priestly role, the head of
the household. So we should be
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able to pull back and hold our
pride if there's an argument or
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if there's something that's
going on between the husband and
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wife. Pull back and say
time out. Let's take a break.
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Let's not get our children
involved, let's work this out
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ourselves without pulling
the children into the mix.
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And I think we don't do that
effectively and it's one thing
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we should do.
Because of that priestly role
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Maybe our spouse, maybe the wife
can't do it because you know
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that's another topic, emotional
women get very emotional
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but us men, we should be able,
as good fathers, to realize
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when this is going in the wrong
direction and be strong enough
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to kill our pride and say,
you know what, let's not get the
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children involved, let's not put
the kids in the middle of this.
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You know I'm very cautious
about what I say about my wife
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to my children. Even if I'm
upset at her I'm very cautious
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because of that experience with
my parents, cause my dad too
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you know, to be honest, when
he would have me in his corner
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trying to pull me in his corner
there's things he would say too
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you know I don't understand your
mother this, your mother that
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and I already had the resentment
coming in and now it's these two
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people trying to pull like a
tug-of-war like, hey I need you
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on my side. So I intentionally
only talk positive things about
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my wife to my kids. No
matter what's going on.
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Does that make us selfish as
fathers or a father that's tryin
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to pull that child to look at
their side as the best, they're
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the great father. So
here's my side of the story
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trying to put the other person
down and trying to make yourself
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look good. I mean that's
a whole selfish mentality
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that we have and we shouldn't
have that as godly fathers,
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because that's not at the heart
of God. The heart of God is
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forgiveness, the heart of God is
reconciliation and we shouldn't
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let our kids be
involved in the mix.
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That's interesting because,
and again I bring a different
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perspective on that because
I don't come from a divorced
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background but the coping
mechanisms I saw of my dad
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where he would get angry at
my mom or have a disagreement
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it was just pure rage. It wasn't
until later when I was an adult
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that he apologized and we talked
about it and he said that's not
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an appropriate way to
respond but now that I have been
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divorced in the past and I have
a 4 year old, there's times when
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I'm like, you know I want to say
something like in regards to how
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I feel but I hold back
because it's not her fault.
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It's not her fault and I don't
have the right to hurt my child
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at all. For what? I'm an
adult and I need to cope with
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certain strategies and my wife
she comes from a background of
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you know, her parents weren't
together and actually use her
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mom's example, my mother in law
because my mother in law, and
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my wife told me this that
she never talked negatively
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about her father and my wife
taught me that, you know never
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you know your child
should never be in the middle
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it's not their fault and
I'm telling you that pride that
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you talked about, the pride
thing, it was hard first couple
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years it was hard but I had
to let that pride die and really
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focus on the fact that that's
my daughter, she's innocent
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she didn't ask to be here
but yet the Lord sought to bring
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her here, not just to bless me
but bless her mother and bless
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everybody around so why should
I take anything out on her
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so it's critical that you know
that we understand that children
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whether we like it or
not, whether you're divorced or
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together whatever it
might be somewhere, somehow
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they're caught in the middle
lot of times and that's part of
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the devil's scheme but it's our
job as priestly men as godly men
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to step up, even if we
don't know how to step up
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cause we don't know
how, there's no instructions
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even if we don't know how,
just to take that initial step
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forward of letting self go.
And that's important, I don't
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know, I mean that's
just the way I see it.
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No, you're right. We try to
have a good nucleus with our
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children but you
can't do it by yourself.
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Remember they didn't come
into this world by you alone
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There's two people that
brought them into this world
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so there needs to be peace
in order for you to really have
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good relationship with
this child, you need to have a
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good relationship with
the spouse or with the lady or
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the mother of the child.
You need that and a lot of times
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you know I use this in a marital
counsel sometimes when I'm
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counseling couples that a lot of
times you have the war going on
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in the household right, and
people feel like, ok, if the
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husband feels like I've won this
battle, I've won this argument
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you know, yeah, yeah I've
won this battle today. But every
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time you win the marriage
loses. Or the relationship loses
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and now to add a child
in there every time you win,
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the family loses. You
should never have an argument or
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discussion with your spouse
or your girlfriend or whatever
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or the child's mother and feel
Oh yeah, I've won this finally
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You lost, you really lost
especially if the child is
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in front, is involved, you've
lost because you brought down
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the other person and in
that child's mind that person is
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defeated so you're going
to treat them a certain way
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like they're a
carpet under your feet.
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That's true, a lot of times
we do stuff like that because we
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bring other people down
to make ourselves look good.
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And that's what we do. Exactly.
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What about this concept?
We ourselves as human beings
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are caught in the middle.
Between the biggest custody
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battle ever known to man.
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It's a custody battle
between God and the devil
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Yeah. Now why don't we look
to Him as an example you know
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Our Father, God the Father,
look to Him as He handles
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when we're caught in the
middle. Does He ever put us
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in a position where we got to
go communicate with the devil?
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No, He takes it upon Himself
to fight with us and for us
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You know to me that's a huge
concept, the fact that we are
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His children, caught in the
middle but He chooses not to say
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you go tell him, you go do this
you do that. No He communicates
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with us by reminding us that
He loves us while we acknowledge
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the fact that yes we are caught
in the middle but here's how
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we're going to
handle the situation
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But God is sure of Himself
but we are not sure of ourselves
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we've got this thing going
on inside of us, insecurity
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but God doesn't have
the insecurity factor
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you see we seek to control,
God doesn't seek to control
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love doesn't control and that's
the difference there. I think.
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I mean what if the
child doesn't want to choose?
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You know sometimes God uses the
person less involved to bring
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common sense to it. You know
you're over here trying to fight
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between each other, who's right
or wrong or I should have my way
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and the child is like,
no I don't wanna choose
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I want my family. I don't
care who's right or wrong.
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I want both of you. Sometimes
I remember and this is now
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being transparent, my wife and,
I, and this was something that
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you know we try our best, we
make our stands at the beginning
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of our marriage, of if
we ever get into an argument
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we're going to go into a room,
we're not argue in front of
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the child. We tried those things
but sometimes just human nature
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you allow the enemy to
take control and we got into an
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argument right there in front
of the kids. And you can hear
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the kids, mommy, daddy stop
it. You guys always fighting
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Stop it, stop it. And like
I'm kind of scuffing my son
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no, no I need to get my point
across. You don't understand
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right now. And then
later on like maybe the evening
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or whatever we're talking and
when you do this with your kids
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is there anything you want
to talk about in our family?
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And then when they tell you
those hard things you don't want
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to hear, that's why sometimes
you don't open up Pandora's box
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with them. I hate it when you
guys fight. And my second son
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told me, it makes it feel
like you guys don't want us
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We were arguing about us but he
was feeling like we don't want
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them and so we don't know what
kind of ripple effect it's gonna
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have on our children. So the
best thing to do is do what's
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best for the relationship. And
what's best for the relationship
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is not win but make
sure that the family wins.
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I think that's key because
again it's just the fact that
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you know we call that
collateral damage, pretty much
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Our children have become,
not our children but collateral
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damage. For
what? For what reason?
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And then the thing is those
are those same coping strategies
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in the relationships.
And dare I say they might
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use those same coping
strategies with God Himself?
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You know why can't we,
I mean, solutions to this
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are exponential. But one of
the things to me is just letting
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pride go. That's the biggest
thing. You know let it go.
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Even though you're right
and you know in your heart
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you are right. But is it
worth damaging your child?
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Permanently? It's difficult
to let it go because again
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we are trying to control
and once we understand that we
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don't need to control anything
we just need to be able to love
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each other and just be
real reflective in what we do
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and how we do things. There
is a, I don't know if it's a
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question but, in a home, let's
say in a home somebody poses
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this question to me, in a
home they're trying to make the
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wife function in a certain way
and they don't feel the wife is
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doing all the nice things what
they should do to be a mother
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to the children and so
they're having this argument so
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they stopped talking to each
other and what they're doing now
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is talking through the children
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putting that child, but they
call it they're trying to help
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the child become better so
that when that child grows up
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when the young lady grows
up to be an adult she can find
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learn how to cook, learn
how to do this because the wife
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is not doing it. So in
that way, to me that is
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that husband controlling and
by doing that putting that child
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in the middle of the mess and
don't need to put the child in
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the middle of the mess,
all they're trying to do
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is to say you need to
not be like your mother.
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But you need to be this way.
I don't see God that way. I see
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God as dealing with us on
an individual basis even within
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our homes. I think God loves
us so much that He says, man
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I need to fix you and I'm
not going to go through you
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to fix you, I'm
going to you directly
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And that's how I think as
fathers we need to deal with
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the spouse directly and
not going through the child
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and put the child in
the middle of situations
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In my home my kids, my wife,
my daughter is very sensitive
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if we start to
argue she starts to cry
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all these years, she
starts to cry and she would say
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it's my fault. It has
nothing to do with her
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she thinks it's her fault.
So we had to really check that
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so you know what? Now we're
just talking, just dialoguing
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even the dialogue, even
when it's passionate you know
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sometimes you get that dialogue
and it's passionate, you're not
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arguing but she hears
it and she starts to cry
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she feels it's her
fault. Those are the things that
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damage children for a long time.
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You know my parents, even as
an adult, you're talking about
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you know your child at home,
even as an adult when my parents
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get into it sometimes
you want to leave the room
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You're like you guys are married
now actually for 30 years
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and change. When
is it going to stop?
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When are you going
to find to get along?
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But then you look now, I've
been married now for 12 years
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and I'm repeating some of these
same things and yes, no marriage
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is perfect in that case.
Of course you're going to have
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disagreements but
it's how you do it.
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You know there was a, you
can learn from older couples
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that have been married 50
or 60 years. Not the ones just
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tolerating each other but the
ones that really love each other
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you know there's a difference.
And one, I'll never forget the
00:21:52.01\00:21:57.05
Beezers. When I was in New York,
before he passed he stressed
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this to me and my wife. We were
just dating then and he said
00:22:02.15\00:22:06.25
never argue in front of
your children, and he said never
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bring down the other because
when you bring the person down
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you're bringing yourself down
because you chose that person
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we forget that whether you're
married or you're just in a
00:22:21.64\00:22:26.11
dating relationship, you
chose this person so technically
00:22:26.14\00:22:30.58
you're bringing yourself down.
00:22:30.61\00:22:34.42
So therefore, when you bring
this, trying to insult this
00:22:34.88\00:22:38.09
person that's why you lose
when you insult the other person
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So there's no winning in
that way. The only way to win is
00:22:42.56\00:22:45.99
uplifting the other
person, uplifting them
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especially in
front of their children.
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You know we're all gonna make
mistakes. All of us we've made
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mistakes as fathers, but I
tell you the great way to fix it
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even if you have an
argument, you put the children
00:22:58.77\00:23:03.31
in the middle, don't let
the sun go down on your wrath
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they need to see that. They need
to see at the end of the day
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yes, my dad and my mom they've
had their little friction and
00:23:11.29\00:23:16.93
they were sending messages
through me but at the end of
00:23:16.96\00:23:20.93
the day they've come together
and they're loving each other.
00:23:20.96\00:23:24.67
And they're talking to each
other, they didn't let the sun
00:23:24.70\00:23:27.80
go down on their wrath. And
I think that's a very important
00:23:27.84\00:23:32.01
lesson we need to teach our
children, especially as fathers
00:23:32.04\00:23:36.18
it's our responsibility to
call a truce, so you know what
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I'm gonna back up
I'm calling a truce here
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because it's for the
betterment of the family
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Man I love what you're
saying and if you don't mind me
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if we could just talk
like guys for a second
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You know a lot of times we're
not gonna be perfect of course
00:23:50.43\00:23:53.90
let's throw that out of the
window we're not going to always
00:23:53.93\00:23:58.63
go to the room and have
the discussion there. Sometimes
00:23:58.67\00:24:01.44
we are going to blast or
have the confrontation in front
00:24:01.47\00:24:05.67
of the kids. But if you do,
if you do, just like he said
00:24:05.71\00:24:11.21
don't let the sun go down on
your anger you have to make up
00:24:11.25\00:24:14.82
your make up has to be big and
when you're doing it in front
00:24:14.85\00:24:17.42
of your kids, I mean do it
big elaborate, lift your wife up
00:24:17.45\00:24:21.99
and let everybody know she's the
greatest thing kiss her all over
00:24:22.02\00:24:26.59
her face, let her know, bring
her flowers, bring her whatever
00:24:26.63\00:24:29.56
make it big let your
child see, Ok we made a mistake
00:24:29.60\00:24:35.00
we don't always agree but this
is the woman I chose. I'm so
00:24:35.04\00:24:38.97
proud of my choice. This is
your mother. She's a blessing
00:24:39.01\00:24:43.01
to me. So like you said you
have to set the pace as a man
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Don't let the sun go down
on your anger but when you do
00:24:48.05\00:24:52.35
make things up, make it
even bigger than the argument
00:24:52.39\00:24:56.62
bigger than the argument
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What you show to that child is
that you show that your children
00:24:58.63\00:25:02.03
that wait a minute when
they get into the same situation
00:25:02.06\00:25:06.03
cause they're gonna get into
that situation when they get
00:25:06.07\00:25:08.37
married, they will be in the
same situation. It shows them
00:25:08.40\00:25:11.77
it models for them how to fix it
00:25:11.81\00:25:15.71
This is how you fix it,
if you get into confrontation
00:25:16.68\00:25:19.88
let's make up,
let's do something great
00:25:19.91\00:25:23.75
What if it's the baby momma?
00:25:23.79\00:25:26.45
What if it's an ex-wife?
00:25:26.49\00:25:28.52
Same thing, same thing.
You can't bring her flowers
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What's that sign
you know, you know
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because you do have the time
especially when you don't live
00:25:32.99\00:25:37.10
with someone, you know you don't
live with the mother of the
00:25:37.13\00:25:40.74
child, when you interact with
that person remember this is
00:25:40.77\00:25:46.01
still the child's mother right?
And this was the choice you made
00:25:46.04\00:25:50.68
the child never had a part in
this decision. This was a choice
00:25:50.71\00:25:55.05
you made, you still gotta
lift them up. You may not agree
00:25:55.08\00:25:58.09
with what they say.
That's right, that's right
00:25:58.12\00:26:00.52
But you have to be the man
of God, after God's own heart
00:26:00.56\00:26:05.33
and lift them up. You mentioned
it earlier about how God
00:26:05.36\00:26:09.90
interacts between Satan and
us and how we are in the middle
00:26:09.93\00:26:14.44
notice how God talks even
about Satan. He points out, yes
00:26:14.47\00:26:18.71
he's the deceiver, he's the liar
but He doesn't break him down
00:26:18.74\00:26:23.55
He doesn't, oh he did this
to me when he has in heaven
00:26:23.58\00:26:26.88
this is what he
did. He doesn't do that.
00:26:26.92\00:26:30.82
He lets you know, hey he's a
deceiver but I have a better way
00:26:30.85\00:26:35.16
Look at me. But rather
look at how Satan does it
00:26:35.19\00:26:37.99
Satan brings God down. His
thing is to bring down so that
00:26:38.03\00:26:42.76
bring down
attitude is that of Satan.
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Man that was awesome. I
just, we ran out of time
00:26:45.60\00:26:49.70
I want to pick this up
though, I really do because
00:26:49.74\00:26:52.11
we have a lot of good things
to talk about and definitely
00:26:52.14\00:26:55.14
some things to expound
upon cause this just gets deeper
00:26:55.18\00:26:58.18
and deeper every time. So as you
know there are no easy answers
00:26:58.21\00:27:02.68
there is no easy
Yes, nothing easy at all
00:27:02.72\00:27:06.76
for being a father is hard
especially if your child is
00:27:06.79\00:27:10.66
caught in the middle. But as
men of God we're called to be
00:27:10.69\00:27:14.30
better, to rise above, to
take our children, to protect
00:27:14.33\00:27:17.77
our children by
any means necessary.
00:27:17.80\00:27:20.24
So please, if you're a man
and right now you're caught in a
00:27:20.84\00:27:24.54
argument and your
child's caught in the middle
00:27:24.57\00:27:26.34
pray and rise above.
Please protect your child
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Thank you for watching,
I want to see you again
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until the next time.
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