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Pastor Doug Batchelor.
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Doug Batchelor: Hello listening
friends, welcome to "Bible
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Answers Live."
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Would you like to
hear an amazing fact?
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It's been estimated that
there are approximately 22,000
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different species of ants in the
world, but the Guinness Book of
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World Records lists the
Australian bulldog as one of the
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deadliest species on the planet.
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Bulldog ants are also known
as jack jumper ants for their
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jumping behavior.
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When agitated, they can
repeatedly leap forward four
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inches in a bound.
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They'll chase you.
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They have superior vision and
are able to follow or even chase
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an intruder from the nest.
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And they're very large as far
as ants go, with some measuring
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over one and a half inches long.
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That said, most healthy people
would not die from the sting of
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one ant, but some humans have
died from anaphylactic shock
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after being
bitten by a bulldog ant.
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These ants have cousins in South
America called bullet ants, and
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they carry what is believed
to be the most painful sting in
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the world.
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If one should bite you on
the foot, it's been described as
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feeling like you're walking
on hot coals with a nail through
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your foot or feeling like you've
been shot when you've been
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bitten, hence
the name bullet ants.
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And the worst part is that the
excruciating, throbbing pain can
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last up to 24 hours.
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But this is nothing compared to
how many Christians believe God
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is going to torture
sinners through eternity.
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Jëan Ross: That's
right, Pastor Doug.
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There's a lot of confusion
about, yeah, well, what happens
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to the wicked?
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Are they going
to burn eternally?
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And when they think they're just
about done, well, it's only just
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begun because they're burning
throughout all eternities.
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Isn't that what
the Bible teaches?
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Doug: Yeah, there's really like
two extremes when it comes to
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what Christians believe about
what happens when the wicked
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are punished.
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One group says, "Well there
is no punishment and, you know,
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everyone's going to
be saved," universalism.
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And then the other group
says, "Yeah, they're going to be
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punished in the lake of fire
and they'll burn for zillions of
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years, and then
zillions, and it never ends."
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Just burning endlessly for the
sins of, you know, comparatively
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a minuscule amount of time.
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And the Bible actually teaches
something between the two.
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There is a punishment of the
wicked, but it doesn't go on for
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billions of years.
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Jesus said, "Each one is
punished according to what he
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deserves, and ultimately
wicked are not immortalized."
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You can read, for instance, in
Malachi chapter 4, "'Behold, the
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day is coming that will
burn like an oven, and all the
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proud,'" that's all of them,
"'and all who do wickedly will
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be stubble.
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The day is coming that will
burn them up,' says the Lord of
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Hosts, 'It will leave
them neither root nor branch.'"
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And of course Revelation
20 says, "They're destroyed."
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Fire comes down, and
this is the second death.
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And then Revelation 21 tells
us, "There is no more pain."
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And so, so many people have
turned away from God because
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they have this medieval
interpretation of hell that God
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is going to torture.
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He's basically saying,
"Love me or I'm going to torture
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you forever."
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And they have a hard time
loving a God that appears almost
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sadistic in one sense.
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Friends, you need to know
what the Bible really teaches
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about this.
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And then one other misconception
is the devil then of all
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things is in charge of hell.
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And how can you trust him to
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And we do this, not to scare
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And you know Pastor
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Actually, there's good news in
the subject of the destruction
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of the wicked in the subject
of hell, because God is a God
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of love.
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He always has
been. He always will be.
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And I think that's brought to
light when you study the subject
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from what the Bible says.
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So, please take
advantage of that.
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Before we go to the phone
lines, let's start with the word
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of prayer.
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Dear Father, we thank You
once again that we have this
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opportunity to study Your Word.
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And Lord, we recognize the Bible
is Your book, so we do pray for
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the Holy Spirit to guide us
as we search the scriptures.
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Be with those who are listening.
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We pray that You guide us to
declare a Bible truth in Jesus's
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name, amen.
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Our first caller this evening
is Glenn listening in Ohio.
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Glenn, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
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You're on the air.
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Glenn: Good evening,
pastors, and thank you
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for taking my call.
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My scripture today is the fifth
chapter or the fifth verse of
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chapter 66 of Isaiah.
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And by the way, just
parenthetically, I'd love to
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hear somebody do about five or
six nice sermons on chapter 66.
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Doug: Okay, we'll
make a note of that.
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Glenn: Yes.
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My question concerns the fifth
chapter where the hated people
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in the chapter--in the
first five say, "Oh the Lord be
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glorified," and they say it
in a jovial way, making fun of
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the hated.
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"So that his joy may be full."
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And that was kind of a terrible
thing for them to do, and they
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paid for it.
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My question is, what is the
purpose of and the meaning of
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chapter verse 5 of chapter 66.
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Doug: All right, let me read
this for our friends, Glenn,
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because a lot of folks don't
have a Bible in front of them.
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Isaiah 66:5, it says, "Hear
the Word of the Lord, you who
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tremble at His Word.
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Your brethren who hated you, who
cast you out for my namesake,
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said, 'Let the Lord be
glorified, that we may see your
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joy,' but they
shall be ashamed."
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Now this is talking about,
through history, and Isaiah was
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a victim of this himself.
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Those who tremble at the
Word, they're the faithful.
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They believe the Word of God.
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They tremble at His Word, but
their brethren, you could say,
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you know, part of their same
faith group, the same church,
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hated you and cast you out.
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You know, the apostles were
basically cast out of the temple
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because of their faith, and
they trembled at the Word of
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the Lord.
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They believed the Word of Jesus.
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And then, as you say, it says,
"'Let the Lord be glorified,
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that we may see your joy,'
but they shall be ashamed."
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Now here where it says, "Let
the Lord be glorified," I don't
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think it's the wicked
mocking the righteous.
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I think it's saying, "God will
be glorified because of your
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faithfulness, but
they will be ashamed."
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So, it's basically saying,
"If you're tempted, if you're
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persecuted for your faith,
even by some who claim to be
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believers, follow
the Word of the Lord.
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You may be cast out because
of your faith, but if you're
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faithful in the end, God
will be glorified, they will
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be ashamed."
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And you use the same word that
they're ashamed, like when the
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Lord is coming, those who
persecuted you will be ashamed.
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Jëan: All right,
thank you, Glenn.
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Great question.
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We've got Randy in Florida.
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Randy, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
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Randy: Thank you,
pastors for hearing my question.
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Doug: Thanks for calling.
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Randy: Thank you.
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Yeah, there's a question of
music, acceptable music during
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worship service.
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In particular, is music
like rap acceptable during
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worship service?
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Doug: Yeah, well, good question,
and it's a difficult question
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when you ask about music because
so often our opinions about
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music and what's appropriate
are very subjective, but there
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are principles.
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And when you look at the
principles, the most important
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thing about Christian music
would be not just the melodies
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and the harmonies, that's
very important, but what is
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the message?
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Music--in the Bible,
the songs were to help us
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remember scriptures.
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We have 150 Psalms
in the Book of Psalms.
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We don't remember what the
melodies were, that's not been
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recorded, but we do
know what the words are.
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And you've got the song of
Moses, you've got the song of
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the Lamb in the New Testament
in Revelation, and these
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were messages.
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And often young people remember
scripture by having melody go
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with it.
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So, music can help
us remember scripture.
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So, now you're
asking about rap music.
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You know, I personally--I think
that's sort of an oxymoron.
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I think there's some music of
the world, and just because you
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throw in Christian words, it
doesn't really sanctify what may
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be worldly music.
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And that doesn't mean that
some of the worldly music is not
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amazing or talented, but you
have to ask, is all music good?
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Follow me.
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In the Bible, it tells us that
King Saul would be overcome with
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an evil spirit.
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David would come for the king
when he was being tormented by
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this evil spirit.
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David would play his harp and
sing, and the evil spirit would
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be driven away by good music.
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Obviously David
inspired prophet, godly music.
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If there's good music that can
drive spirits away, is there bad
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music that can
welcome evil spirits in?
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And I think
it's a fair question.
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I think there is.
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So, we need to be very careful
in the choice of music that we
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bring in our church, that
we're bringing in the right
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angels actually.
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Jëan: And you know it's also
good to look at the history of
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the music where
it's coming from.
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Protestantism was built
upon the Word and the teachings
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of scripture.
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Music played a very important
part in the Protestant church
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and the Protestant movement
where they were seeing their
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faith, and it had good theology,
a lot of the contemporary style
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of worship music, somewhat
lacking in the depth of Bible
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truth as far as deep
scholarly references.
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Not that all music has to have
that, but some of these great
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hymns like "Firm Foundation,"
that we have in scripture and--
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Doug: "Great is
Your Faithfulness."
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Jëan: I mean these have a
lot of solid meaning and--
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Doug: There's nothing
wrong with new songs, right?
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Yeah, Bible says sing a new
song, but the new song should
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fit the principles of what would
be God glorifying music and
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words and be teaching
good theology in the process.
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You know, I have a book
that it's called "The Christian
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and Music."
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And they might be able to
contact "Amazing Facts" and take
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a look.
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I've got all the--kind of the
principles laid out in there.
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You can't go through every song
that's ever been done and say,
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"This is good, this is bad," but
once you know the principles,
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people sort of get the drift.
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Jëan: All right.
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Next caller that we have
is Janean from North Carolina.
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Janean, welcome to the program.
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Janean: Thank you.
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My question is, will I see
my relatives that are--good
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questions, but will
I see them in heaven.
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Doug: Yeah, well the
Bible's pretty clear.
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There is a resurrection.
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There are two resurrections.
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Jesus talks about the
resurrection of the just and the
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resurrection of the unjust.
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And those who are saved will
be united together with other
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believers in the resurrection
at the coming of the Lord.
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You can read about that
in 1 Thessalonians chapter 4.
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It says, "The Lord Himself
will descend from heaven with a
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shout, with the voice of
the archangel, with a trumpet
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of God.
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And the dead in
Christ will rise first.
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Then we which are alive
and remain will be caught up
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together with them."
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So, it promises that believers
will be together with them in
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the presence of the
Lord at the Lord's coming.
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And, you know, in the Great
Judgment Day, where he separates
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the sheep and the goats,
ostensibly, there'll be a moment
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when everybody's going
to see each other again.
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So, there'll be a separation
between the saved and the lost,
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but, you know, in that great
white throne judgment, all will
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be present.
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Jëan: We do have a study guide.
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It's called "Are
the Dead Really Dead?"
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And it talks about the subject
of what happens to a person when
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he dies, and also talks about
the hope of the Christian, which
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is the resurrection of
the Second Coming of Christ.
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Call and ask for that, Janean.
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The number is 800-835-6747.
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For anyone wanting to learn more
about this important subject,
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you can also dial #250 on your
smartphone and ask for it by
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name, "Are the
Dead Really Dead?"
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We'll be happy to mail it
to anyone who calls and asks.
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Albert in California.
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Albert, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
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Albert: Thank you for
taking my call, pastors.
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My question tonight, when the
Joshua and Caleb, when they went
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to visit the land and they saw,
they reported to Moses that they
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were giants in the
lands, according to the Bible,
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Numbers 13:33.
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My question is, are these giants
were the same size as Goliath?
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Doug: Well I would think that
some of them must be at least
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the same size.
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It seems like giants over
time have slowly gotten smaller.
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You know, before the flood, men
lived hundreds of years and they
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were ostensibly bigger.
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And then after the flood, it
seemed like their lifespans went
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down and they
probably got shorter.
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The giants in the time of Moses
were probably a little bigger
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than the giants
in the time of David.
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Goliath, of course, stood
out head and shoulders above
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everyone else, but we had a man
named Robert Waldo, who lived a
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100 years ago that
was eight feet plus.
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Goliath was nine feet six, and I
think you got a verse about one
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of the kings
during the time of Moses--
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Jëan: You can read about it in
Deuteronomy chapter 3, verse 11.
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It talks about a king by
the name of Og, who was the king
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of Bashan.
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And it doesn't tell us his exact
size, but it does tell us the
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size of his bed.
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And it talks about it being a
certain length that works out to
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about 13 feet in length.
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Nine cubits, 13.5.
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So, that's the size of his bed.
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So, he could very well be
nine foot, maybe even ten foot.
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Who knows?
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Doug: Now you're taller
than average Pastor Ross.
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Have you ever gotten in a
bed where you sort of hang
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off the edge?
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Jëan: That happens.
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Doug: So maybe, who knows, that
bed might not have even been big
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enough for you.
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Jëan: But that's a big bed.
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So, yeah, there it is.
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Doug: California king.
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Jëan: Thank you, Albert.
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Next one that we
have is Nel in California.
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Nel, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
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Nel: Thank you.
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My question is, what is the
proper way to study the Bible?
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Say, so is listening to "Bible
Answers Live," a Bible study, or
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does Bible study
have to only be reading?
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Can it be listening to a sermon
or listening to other programs
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who are studying the
Bible with individuals.
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Doug: Good, yeah, good question.
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Well I think all of the above.
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I certainly hope we do this
program hoping that people will
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gain a deeper understanding.
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I would also hope this would not
be the only thing that they do
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in Bible study.
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It's really good to have your
own Bible and, you know, we have
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computerized Bibles.
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I do a lot of my research on the
computer cause you can access
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commentaries in the original
languages almost instantly, but
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I also really appreciate my
paper Bible that I preach from,
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and I've got things
highlighted and underlined.
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And there's just
something about it.
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I listen to audiobooks,
you know, Pastor Ross and I are
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always swapping good audiobooks
we listen to of history,
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and--but I also
read paper books still.
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So, I think it's good to have
your own Bible that you study,
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but certainly listening to the
Bible read online, some people
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are more visual, more auditory,
some are more tactile, and we
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all learn different ways.
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I'd say all of the
above, whatever works for you.
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Jëan: You know, we do have a
book talking about the Bible.
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It's called "The
Ultimate Resource."
00:16:31.72\00:16:33.56
And it'll give some principles
on how to read and study the
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Bible, where did
the Bible come from?
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We'll be happy to send this
to anyone who calls and asks.
00:16:37.83\00:16:39.79
The number is 800-835-6747.
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That is the resource phone line.
00:16:43.37\00:16:45.23
You can also dial #250 on your
smartphone and just say, "Bible
00:16:45.27\00:16:48.80
Answers Live."
00:16:48.84\00:16:50.17
Ask for the book by name.
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It's called, "The
Ultimate Resource."
00:16:51.57\00:16:53.14
Again, "The Ultimate Resource."
00:16:53.17\00:16:55.14
It is a great read.
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Thank you Nel.
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Next caller that we have
is Eli and he is in Kansas.
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Eli, welcome to the program.
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Eli: Hey, good evening.
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Doug: Evening.
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Eli: My question is, if we
can overcome the sin, why are we
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still called sinners?
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Because--what about
when you get baptized?
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Isn't the--like when you
get baptized cleans your sin.
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And If we can like overcome the
sin, why we have to lie and say
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that we are
sinners, if that's not true.
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Like, can you explain that?
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Doug: Well, you know, Paul--New
Testament Christians, Paul
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typically
addresses them as saints.
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He doesn't call them sinners.
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But, you know, if a person is
still living a life of sin, you
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want to call him a sinner.
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And, you know, Paul
says, "We have all sinned."
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And then the Bible says
that, "Even believers may sin."
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James says, "In
many things we offend."
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So, being a Christian, you're
going to find that as you grow
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in faith, there'll be some
stumbling along the way cause
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we're--it's a war.
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We're constantly being attacked
by the devil and temptation.
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You just shouldn't get
discouraged if you lose
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a battle.
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And you got to get back
up and get back into the war.
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So, technically, once you
accept Christ, Paul in the New
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Testament, they refer to
us as believers and saints.
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I don't think there are too many
of the New Testament writers.
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I'm just thinking as I'm
accessing my mental hard drive
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right now, Pastor Ross.
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I don't know of anywhere where
the apostles in their letters
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call believers sinners.
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Unless somebody
outside of faith, yeah.
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Jëan: And then he highlights
that they'll change of heart.
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Doug: But I know what Eli's
saying is that it's true that a
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lot of pastors, you know,
we--they kind of talked down the
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congregations as
they're all sinners.
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And I don't know whether that's
biblical to do it that way.
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Jëan: Yeah, I think that
there's a balance like you say,
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Pastor Doug.
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I mean, we don't walk around and
say, you know, "We're perfect.
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We never sin--"
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Doug: You don't want
to claim to be saints.
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Jëan: Yeah, because we're
kind of setting ourselves up
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for failure.
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But at the same time, we
can claim the promises of God,
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believe that if we confess, He's
faithful and just to forgive us,
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and trust Him that He'll keep us
from falling as the Bible says.
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All right, thank you.
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Next caller that we
have is Dana in New York.
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Dana, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
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Dana: Oh, hi.
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I watched your video the other
day from a few weeks back about
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all the gods and all that kind
of thing and the temple, and I
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was just wondering, I know
there is a faction of Jews very
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interested in
rebuilding the temple.
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And if the Jews were to, you
know, many will come, but--and
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accept Jesus, but I'm wondering,
is that maybe why they would
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want to try to rebuild
because they feel they need to?
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And if they do try, wouldn't
that result in a pretty big
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war, maybe?
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Doug: Well yeah, it would.
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And, you know, I've been to
Israel maybe three times, at
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least three times.
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Pastor Ross and I were
there together a few years ago.
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We stood where they've got the
great big golden candlestick,
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that there is a group in Israel
of very orthodox Jews that would
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love to see the temple rebuilt.
00:20:08.47\00:20:10.14
It is a very small group.
00:20:10.17\00:20:12.74
I'm sorry to say that a large
part of the people in Israel
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probably live like
agnostics or atheists.
00:20:17.98\00:20:22.75
There are, you know, very
devoted Orthodox Jews, there's a
00:20:22.78\00:20:25.55
very zealous, a lot of
patriotism in Israel, but
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there's not a
lot of Bible reading.
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I'll bet you that if you were
to stop, you know, one in ten
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Israelis on the street could
quote verses to you from the
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Old Testament.
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So, the idea that there's a big
clamoring in Israel to bulldoze
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the dome of the rock and rebuild
the temple, I would saying, no,
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that's not really happening.
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And as you said, it would
cause World War III because the
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temple, the mosque of Omar
that is on the same location as
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Solomon's Temple, that'd be the
only place the Jews would want
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to build it.
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It's the third
holiest Muslim site.
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The idea that that could be
demolished, that would certainly
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get about a
billion Muslims upset.
00:21:09.56\00:21:12.03
And the reason we explain that
is because people misunderstand
00:21:12.07\00:21:14.80
that verse is it 1
Thessalonians, "Then that wicked
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one who calls himself God will
sit in the temple of God showing
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himself that he is God."
00:21:21.48\00:21:23.68
People assume that for the
Antichrist to sit in the temple
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of God, that means the
temple must be rebuilt.
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But they're taking that one
verse and misunderstanding that
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the Antichrist sits over
the temple, the spiritual temple
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of God.
00:21:36.66\00:21:37.99
Paul said the church,
"You are the temple of God."
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So, Paul is one who wrote that
verse, and you've got to read it
00:21:41.36\00:21:43.93
in the context of the author.
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Jesus said, "Destroy
this temple made with hands.
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I will make one without hands."
00:21:47.90\00:21:49.57
He spoke of his body.
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The church is the temple of God.
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The Antichrist is going to sit
over the church saying--putting
00:21:53.81\00:21:57.45
himself in the place of God.
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It's not talking about
rebuilding the physical temple
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because the Jews don't practice
the sacrificial system anymore.
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Jëan: The verse you're referring
to 2 Thessalonians chapter 2,
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verse 3 and 4.
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And just to add to
that, Pastor Doug, you know,
00:22:09.82\00:22:11.69
if the temple was to be rebuilt,
as you mentioned, they don't do
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sacrifice anymore, but besides
that, it wouldn't take the place
00:22:15.26\00:22:19.13
of the most sacred spot to the
Jews, which is the Western Wall.
00:22:19.17\00:22:23.14
Which dates all the way back to
the time of the rebuilding after
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the Babylonian captivity.
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That to them is far more sacred
because they actually have stone
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that dates back to that time.
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To build a temple, you
know, with marble or granite or
00:22:32.81\00:22:35.65
whatever it is right now, that's
modern, but it's really the
00:22:35.68\00:22:38.42
ancient stones that really
have significance to them.
00:22:38.45\00:22:41.99
Doug: And in the Jewish
culture, the centerpiece for the
00:22:42.02\00:22:45.76
tabernacle for Solomon's temple
was the Ark of the Covenant.
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They don't have that.
00:22:50.40\00:22:51.70
They cannot copy the stones
written with the finger of God.
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It's just not the same thing.
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So, the idea that they're
just going to manufacture
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another temple.
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They're not pushing for that
because it's like they said,
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"Ichabod," the
glory is departed.
00:23:03.18\00:23:04.61
They lost the ark or it's been
hidden, and no one has found
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it since.
00:23:07.52\00:23:08.82
Jëan: All right, next
caller that we have is Dasha
00:23:08.85\00:23:11.25
from Kansas.
00:23:11.29\00:23:12.62
Dasha, welcome to the program.
00:23:12.65\00:23:13.99
Dasha: Hello, pastors.
00:23:14.02\00:23:15.36
Doug: Hi.
00:23:15.39\00:23:16.73
Dasha: I have a question.
00:23:16.76\00:23:19.49
It is from Matthew
chapter 24, verse 8 and 9.
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And I was
studying and I flipped over
00:23:26.60\00:23:29.84
to Revelation
chapter 13, verse 14,
00:23:29.87\00:23:36.08
15, 16, and 17 and I was
wondering, does that--does those
00:23:36.11\00:23:42.22
verses from Revelation
fit in between Matthew--
00:23:42.25\00:23:48.56
Doug: Matthew 24:8 and 9.
00:23:48.59\00:23:51.76
Dasha: Yes, because I
was trying to figure out
00:23:51.79\00:23:54.73
is this the close of
probation for the church?
00:23:54.73\00:23:58.77
Doug: Let me read this
for our friends, Dasha.
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You're quoting verses and I want
to read it so those listening
00:24:00.97\00:24:03.97
know what we're talking about.
00:24:04.01\00:24:05.34
In Matthew 24:8 and 9,
00:24:05.37\00:24:07.24
"All these are the
beginning of sorrows.
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'Then they will deliver you up
to tribulation and kill you, and
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you will be hated of all
nations for My name's sake.'"
00:24:13.28\00:24:15.92
So, this great persecution that
you're talking about, you're
00:24:16.28\00:24:18.62
wondering if it fits into
which verses in Revelation?
00:24:18.65\00:24:21.66
Dasha: It is Revelation chapter
13, and it is verse--actually
00:24:21.69\00:24:30.47
it's verse 15, 16, and
17, and I wanted to know
00:24:30.50\00:24:33.87
if that fits into there.
00:24:33.90\00:24:35.84
Doug: Talking about causing all
the world to worship, and if you
00:24:35.87\00:24:38.61
don't worship the beast and
his image, you cannot buy or
00:24:38.64\00:24:41.21
sell, correct?
00:24:41.24\00:24:43.08
This persecution
in the last days.
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The persecution that Jesus is
talking about in Matthew 24 is
00:24:46.08\00:24:50.29
really twofold.
00:24:50.32\00:24:51.95
The first part he's talking
about a great persecution that
00:24:51.99\00:24:54.76
came against the Jews before
the destruction of Jerusalem.
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And then there's a great
persecution that came upon the
00:24:58.66\00:25:01.93
Christians during the Dark Ages
between 538 and 1798, when the
00:25:01.96\00:25:07.87
church became a government
institution and millions of true
00:25:07.90\00:25:12.34
Bible Christians were persecuted
and great tribulation during
00:25:12.37\00:25:17.95
that time.
00:25:17.98\00:25:19.28
There is a final great
tribulation during the seven
00:25:19.31\00:25:22.15
last plagues you read about
in Daniel chapter 12 and in
00:25:22.18\00:25:25.29
Revelation, is it 15 and 16.
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So--but the mark of the
beast, time of trouble, that's
00:25:28.52\00:25:32.23
connected with
the very last one.
00:25:32.26\00:25:34.36
Jëan: That's right.
00:25:34.36\00:25:35.66
So, when you look at Matthew
24, you have a time of trouble.
00:25:35.70\00:25:38.17
You see this first time
of trouble, which took place
00:25:38.20\00:25:40.40
historically during the 12 and
60 years, but there is a repeat
00:25:40.44\00:25:43.94
of trouble.
00:25:43.97\00:25:45.27
Daniel chapter 12 was one,
a great time of trouble, worse
00:25:45.31\00:25:47.84
than there has ever been.
00:25:47.88\00:25:49.21
But the good news is thy
people shall be delivered.
00:25:49.24\00:25:51.65
So, God's people
will be delivered through
00:25:51.68\00:25:53.38
that experience.
00:25:53.42\00:25:54.75
That's why it says in Matthew
chapter 25, "He who endures to
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the end shall be saved."
00:25:58.19\00:25:59.82
So, it's dealing with both.
00:25:59.85\00:26:01.49
It's dealing with the
persecution that happened in the
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past, but there's definitely a
persecution in the future, which
00:26:03.63\00:26:06.56
is highlighted in Revelation 13.
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No man can buy or sell.
00:26:08.70\00:26:10.03
Eventually, there is a
death decree that is passed.
00:26:10.07\00:26:12.40
Doug: Yeah, and the close of
probation you're asking about,
00:26:12.43\00:26:14.97
that happens before the seven
last plagues and this great time
00:26:15.00\00:26:19.47
of trouble.
00:26:19.51\00:26:20.84
But don't worry,
just be faithful.
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God promises that he's
going to bring us through that.
00:26:22.71\00:26:25.35
It is through tribulation we
enter the kingdom of God, so we
00:26:25.38\00:26:28.98
don't need to worry.
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Jesus can get us through it
just like He got the Israelites
00:26:30.39\00:26:32.65
through the plagues.
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female: We grew up Catholic.
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I went to Catholic
school for nine years.
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All the group of my
friends and I would go to church
00:26:58.11\00:27:01.05
every Sunday.
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I think as a young child, I had
a closer relationship with God
00:27:02.52\00:27:06.76
than I did as a young adult.
00:27:06.79\00:27:08.62
I never really
forgot Him, but I did.
00:27:08.66\00:27:12.29
From high school I went to
college and then after college,
00:27:12.33\00:27:15.53
I went into the dance
world and became a dancer.
00:27:15.56\00:27:21.84
Got married late in my
life, but at the right time.
00:27:21.87\00:27:26.04
He also grew up as a Catholic.
00:27:26.07\00:27:28.24
My husband worked as a software
salesperson in New York City.
00:27:28.28\00:27:32.81
We woke up early that morning of
9/11 and I said to him--I said,
00:27:32.85\00:27:36.69
"Why are you not
going to the city today?"
00:27:36.72\00:27:38.19
He says, "Look at
this day, it's beautiful."
00:27:38.22\00:27:40.19
He says, "I really want to spend
the day with you and the girls."
00:27:40.22\00:27:43.96
Just as that first plane hit the
towers, he dropped to his knees
00:27:43.99\00:27:48.06
and he said, "Thank God.
00:27:48.10\00:27:50.87
I was supposed to be up in
the second building today."
00:27:50.90\00:27:56.00
So, we changed our lives.
00:27:56.04\00:27:57.84
We found our place in the
mountains in West Virginia.
00:27:57.87\00:28:02.01
My eldest child was born
on Christmas Day, so that was
00:28:02.04\00:28:04.85
always very special until
Christmas Day two years ago, my
00:28:04.88\00:28:09.85
husband died on
our kitchen floor.
00:28:09.88\00:28:12.02
My youngest child and I worked
for about an hour doing CPR, but
00:28:12.05\00:28:18.23
living so remotely as where we
live, there was eight inches of
00:28:18.26\00:28:22.13
snow on the ground.
00:28:22.16\00:28:23.47
The emergency
vehicles could not get to us.
00:28:23.50\00:28:26.00
We lost him that day.
00:28:26.03\00:28:27.37
Ten days after my husband
died, the gray water system was
00:28:31.21\00:28:35.78
pouring out
underneath the house.
00:28:35.81\00:28:37.28
I called the plumber up and
I asked him if he remembered my
00:28:37.31\00:28:40.95
husband, and he says, "Oh, I
do remember speaking with him."
00:28:40.98\00:28:43.89
I said, "Well, he passed away
on Christmas Day," and he says,
00:28:43.92\00:28:47.22
"I'll be over tonight."
00:28:47.26\00:28:48.62
The whole underneath
the house was replaced.
00:28:48.66\00:28:51.26
"So how much do I
owe you for today?"
00:28:51.29\00:28:53.03
He says, "Let me think.
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Nothing."
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And I just hugged him and
he says, "How would you like to
00:28:58.00\00:29:02.17
come to church on Saturday?"
00:29:02.20\00:29:03.54
And I said, "Saturday?"
00:29:03.57\00:29:05.44
We ended up going to church
on Saturday and his wife gave us
00:29:05.47\00:29:09.34
the Amazing Facts Bible studies.
00:29:09.38\00:29:12.15
And we couldn't
get enough of it.
00:29:12.18\00:29:14.55
When the girls and I heard the
story of Doug Batchelor and the
00:29:14.58\00:29:18.29
richest caveman, his story
inspired all of us that, you
00:29:18.32\00:29:22.36
know, you can walk with God
and talk with God and have a
00:29:22.39\00:29:26.43
personal relationship with Him.
00:29:26.46\00:29:28.73
The girls and I had decided
that we're all going to get
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baptized together.
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That was a beautiful moment
that I wish their dad was there
00:29:32.60\00:29:36.00
because I think he would be
really proud that they chose to
00:29:36.04\00:29:39.27
give their hearts
to Jesus that day.
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Pastor Doug for all the facts
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Jëan: My name is Jëan Ross
and we have Sharon listening
00:31:48.80\00:31:50.87
in Idaho.
00:31:50.91\00:31:52.24
Sharon, welcome to
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00:31:52.27\00:31:53.61
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00:31:53.64\00:31:55.24
Sharon: Thank you.
00:31:55.28\00:31:56.61
My question is, when Jesus
resurrected Lazarus, Jairus's
00:31:56.64\00:32:00.15
daughter, and others, were they
alive a while and had to die
00:32:00.18\00:32:03.79
again, or did they go up
to heaven when he went up?
00:32:03.82\00:32:06.82
Doug: Yeah, good question.
00:32:06.86\00:32:08.19
Well Lazarus, Dorcas, Jairus's
daughter was only 12 years old.
00:32:08.22\00:32:14.30
Jesus ascended to
heaven before they died.
00:32:14.30\00:32:17.33
I'm sure that they
ended up living normal lives.
00:32:17.37\00:32:20.84
Some may have died, you
know, prematurely from illness
00:32:20.87\00:32:23.64
or persecution.
00:32:23.67\00:32:25.01
The Bible doesn't say.
00:32:25.04\00:32:26.37
I don't remember if there's
anything in church history about
00:32:26.41\00:32:28.14
what happened to Lazarus as far
as whether he was persecuted or
00:32:28.18\00:32:31.58
not, but it seems from
everything we read in the Bible
00:32:31.61\00:32:35.82
that they went on to live full
lives and then they died like
00:32:35.85\00:32:39.65
everyone else does.
00:32:39.69\00:32:40.99
So, they were raised and given
normal bodies that needed to
00:32:41.02\00:32:45.23
continue living and growing
old and ultimately dying.
00:32:45.26\00:32:48.56
Jëan: That's right.
00:32:48.60\00:32:49.93
So, they were not resurrected
with an immortal body as Jesus
00:32:49.96\00:32:52.07
was when he came from the tomb.
00:32:52.10\00:32:54.17
We do have some examples of
people that were resurrected and
00:32:54.20\00:32:57.41
taken to heaven while you've got
Moses, according to the book of
00:32:57.44\00:32:59.84
Jude, that was resurrected.
00:32:59.87\00:33:01.34
He was resurrected
with an immortal body.
00:33:01.38\00:33:03.41
He was taken to heaven.
00:33:03.45\00:33:04.78
And then the Bible speaks
of a group of people that were
00:33:04.81\00:33:06.68
resurrected at the time
of Christ's resurrection.
00:33:06.72\00:33:09.82
And not much is said about them,
but it does speak about a group
00:33:09.85\00:33:13.96
going to heaven.
00:33:13.99\00:33:15.42
And they serve as the
first fruits of those who
00:33:15.46\00:33:17.26
are resurrected.
00:33:17.29\00:33:18.63
But all of them were resurrected
with immortal bodies, whereas
00:33:18.66\00:33:20.76
the rest of the resurrections,
both in the time of Christ and
00:33:20.80\00:33:23.43
in the Old Testament, they
were not immortal resurrections.
00:33:23.47\00:33:26.84
People were resurrected,
they lived, and then they died--
00:33:26.87\00:33:29.84
Doug: Maybe like a healing.
00:33:29.87\00:33:31.21
Jëan: Yeah, there you go.
00:33:31.24\00:33:32.74
It's not the second death though
that you read about in the book
00:33:32.77\00:33:35.74
of Revelation.
00:33:35.78\00:33:37.08
The second death has reference
to the wicked and that final
00:33:37.11\00:33:40.15
destruction that takes place.
00:33:40.18\00:33:41.62
There are just a few exceptions,
those who are resurrected at
00:33:41.65\00:33:44.25
this time.
00:33:44.29\00:33:45.59
Doug: Yeah, now it'd be
terrible if someone that Jesus
00:33:45.62\00:33:47.36
resurrected then died lost
because they'd died three times.
00:33:47.39\00:33:52.36
Jëan: That's right.
00:33:52.39\00:33:53.70
They could.
00:33:53.73\00:33:55.00
Theoretically, yeah.
00:33:55.03\00:33:56.36
Doug: Let's hope
they're all safe.
00:33:56.40\00:33:57.73
Jëan: That's right.
00:33:57.77\00:33:59.07
All right, Maurice in Utah,
Maurice, welcome to the program.
00:33:59.10\00:34:01.10
Maurice: Hello,
Pastor Jëan, Pastor Doug.
00:34:01.14\00:34:03.30
Question for you.
00:34:03.34\00:34:04.74
I always was taught that in
the Bible references, you know,
00:34:04.77\00:34:09.14
fleeing to the
mountains in the end-times.
00:34:09.18\00:34:11.81
But if you could explain in
Revelation chapter 16, verse 20,
00:34:11.85\00:34:16.05
that, "Every island fled
away and the mountains could not
00:34:16.08\00:34:18.45
be found."
00:34:18.49\00:34:19.82
So, should we be going to
the mountains or where should we
00:34:19.85\00:34:22.22
be going?
00:34:22.26\00:34:23.56
Doug: Yeah, good question.
00:34:23.59\00:34:24.89
If it says in Matthew 24 and
Luke, "Those that be in Judea
00:34:24.93\00:34:28.63
flee into the mountains."
00:34:28.66\00:34:30.63
During the small time of
trouble, God's people are going
00:34:30.67\00:34:32.83
to be living in isolated
places when there's persecution.
00:34:32.87\00:34:36.84
But when it talks about the
islands and the mountains being
00:34:36.87\00:34:40.04
swallowed up, that's after
probation closes, and I think
00:34:40.08\00:34:43.41
that actually happens after the
saints are being caught up to
00:34:43.45\00:34:46.45
meet the Lord in the air.
00:34:46.48\00:34:47.95
That behind, there's going
to be just total devastation.
00:34:47.98\00:34:52.15
You can read about that in
Jeremiah chapter 4. It says,
00:34:52.19\00:34:55.59
"The cities were broken down by
the presence of the Lord and by
00:34:55.62\00:34:59.83
His fierce anger."
00:34:59.86\00:35:01.20
And so, that's when the
islands disappear and the
00:35:01.23\00:35:02.80
great earthquake.
00:35:02.83\00:35:04.47
I forget what verse revelation
talks about an earthquake such
00:35:04.50\00:35:06.80
as there never has been.
00:35:06.84\00:35:08.47
Jëan: That's all under
the seventh plague, which is
00:35:08.50\00:35:10.84
connected right with the
second coming of Christ, as you
00:35:10.87\00:35:12.97
mentioned Pastor Doug.
00:35:13.01\00:35:14.31
So, you don't have to worry.
00:35:14.34\00:35:15.58
You're not going to have to flee
to some island or some mountain,
00:35:15.61\00:35:17.55
and suddenly you have it
disappear and then you still
00:35:17.58\00:35:20.15
have to find a
different place to live.
00:35:20.18\00:35:21.48
No, when the islands are
disappear and the mountains
00:35:21.52\00:35:24.39
collapse, well that means you've
been transported to heaven if
00:35:24.42\00:35:26.86
you're saved.
00:35:26.89\00:35:28.29
Doug: At that point.
00:35:28.32\00:35:29.66
Jëan: All right,
thank you, Maurice.
00:35:29.69\00:35:31.03
We've got Joshua in New Jersey.
00:35:31.06\00:35:32.39
Joshua, welcome to the program.
00:35:32.43\00:35:33.83
Joshua: Thanks,
pastors, God bless you.
00:35:33.86\00:35:36.53
Doug: Thank you.
00:35:36.56\00:35:37.87
Joshua: Here's my question.
00:35:37.90\00:35:39.20
So, the Bible calls
us to be sober, right?
00:35:39.23\00:35:40.57
Throughout the
entire New Testament.
00:35:40.60\00:35:42.24
But in 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul
says, "Drink no longer water,
00:35:42.27\00:35:48.14
but use a little wine for
thy stomach's sake and thine
00:35:48.18\00:35:51.78
often infirmities."
00:35:51.81\00:35:53.62
And so, is Paul referring
to new wine or fermented wine?
00:35:53.65\00:35:58.05
Doug: Well I'm guessing that
he's talking about new wine,
00:35:58.09\00:36:03.22
which grape juice actually
has antiseptic properties.
00:36:03.26\00:36:07.03
A lot of the water in ancient
times, they, you know, they
00:36:07.03\00:36:09.83
often shared the
streets with the animals and
00:36:09.86\00:36:12.80
animals--sometimes the
wells became contaminated.
00:36:12.83\00:36:16.37
They had a lot of dysentery
problems, but the juice that
00:36:16.40\00:36:19.27
came from the grape, you could
trust it and it actually would
00:36:19.31\00:36:23.78
kill some germs and bacteria.
00:36:23.81\00:36:26.41
So, it didn't need to
be alcoholic for that.
00:36:26.45\00:36:30.25
It's hard to imagine Paul
recommending, "Don't drink
00:36:30.29\00:36:32.89
water, but drink booze."
00:36:32.92\00:36:35.02
So, I think he's
saying drink grape juice.
00:36:35.06\00:36:37.89
Now, keep in mind in Bible
times, grape juice, you know,
00:36:37.93\00:36:41.73
they squeeze it
out during the harvest.
00:36:41.76\00:36:44.67
Sometimes they would condense
it for transportation to make it
00:36:44.70\00:36:47.27
lighter, then they'd add
water later to reconstitute it.
00:36:47.30\00:36:51.41
But they didn't have little
labels on the wine skins that
00:36:51.44\00:36:56.08
said this is 1%
alcohol, 2% alcohol.
00:36:56.11\00:36:59.78
So, you know, as time went by,
sometimes it would become old
00:36:59.81\00:37:02.88
wine, and it would expand,
and that's why Jesus said, "You
00:37:02.92\00:37:05.95
don't put new wine in old wine
skins" because they'll quickly
00:37:05.99\00:37:09.56
expand from
fermentation and burst.
00:37:09.59\00:37:12.06
It wasn't a precise science in
Bible times, but I'm pretty sure
00:37:12.09\00:37:15.46
Paul is recommending a new wine.
00:37:15.50\00:37:17.33
And I got a book on
Christian and alcohol.
00:37:17.37\00:37:19.27
I think talks about that.
00:37:19.30\00:37:20.64
Jëan: We do, yes, and
we'll be happy to send that to
00:37:20.67\00:37:22.27
anyone who calls and asks.
00:37:22.30\00:37:23.64
The number is 800-835-6747.
00:37:23.67\00:37:26.07
You can ask for the book.
00:37:26.11\00:37:27.44
It's called
"Alcohol and the Christian."
00:37:27.48\00:37:29.24
You can dial #250 on your
smartphone, and you can ask for
00:37:29.28\00:37:32.85
it that way as well.
00:37:32.88\00:37:34.45
Take advantage of it. It's free.
00:37:34.48\00:37:36.58
Next caller that we have
is Dr. Latif in Michigan.
00:37:36.62\00:37:40.16
Dr. Latif, are you there?
00:37:40.19\00:37:42.39
Dr. Latif: Yes.
00:37:42.42\00:37:43.76
Good evening, pastor.
00:37:43.79\00:37:45.23
Thank you for taking my call.
00:37:45.26\00:37:48.06
My question is, at what
age or stage did the Lord Jesus
00:37:48.10\00:37:55.24
recognize who He was and what
was His mission and what was
00:37:55.27\00:38:01.34
facing Him?
00:38:01.38\00:38:02.68
Is it age 12 or
age 30 or later on?
00:38:02.71\00:38:08.25
Thank you for taking my call.
00:38:08.28\00:38:10.75
Doug: Great question.
00:38:10.79\00:38:12.09
At what point, you know,
Jesus as a baby, clearly did not
00:38:12.12\00:38:14.96
toddle around and say, "I'm the
son of God, and I've come to die
00:38:14.99\00:38:17.69
for the sins of the world."
00:38:17.73\00:38:19.29
But as His mind developed as
in, you know, He was a human.
00:38:19.33\00:38:22.23
As his mind developed and His
divine mission became clear, I'm
00:38:22.26\00:38:27.27
sure He was spirit-filled
as John the Baptist was.
00:38:27.30\00:38:30.47
It seems that we don't know this
for sure, but the closest we can
00:38:30.51\00:38:34.21
come is when He was 12 and He
went to the temple, and He was
00:38:34.24\00:38:37.78
asking questions and answering,
and the leaders and the
00:38:37.81\00:38:43.35
religious teachers
marveled at His answers.
00:38:43.39\00:38:45.49
You can't help but wonder, was
Gamaliel in the group that day,
00:38:45.52\00:38:48.66
because later He was much older
when the disciples were being
00:38:48.69\00:38:51.99
tried and they heard
this answer--these answers.
00:38:52.03\00:38:57.00
And when His parents came
and said, "Why did You leave us?
00:38:57.03\00:38:59.53
We didn't know where You were."
00:38:59.57\00:39:01.00
He said, "Wist ye not I must
be about My Father's business."
00:39:01.04\00:39:04.67
I think when Jesus went to
the Passover at 12, today when a
00:39:04.71\00:39:08.81
Jewish boy is 13,
they're bar mitzvahed.
00:39:08.84\00:39:11.45
In Christ's time,
it was 12 years old.
00:39:11.48\00:39:13.68
And so, He went, and I think
it became clear to Him that,
00:39:13.72\00:39:17.99
through the Holy Spirit, He saw
the sacrificial system and the
00:39:18.02\00:39:20.42
light dawned on His mind that
that was His special mission
00:39:20.46\00:39:23.46
that He had been called.
00:39:23.49\00:39:25.36
It doesn't say that explicitly,
but I think from the context, He
00:39:25.39\00:39:29.03
was 12 when it
began to dawn on Him.
00:39:29.06\00:39:31.17
Jëan: And definitely when He
began his public ministry at the
00:39:31.20\00:39:33.57
age of 30, He was baptized
and He went to the wilderness.
00:39:33.60\00:39:36.20
It was very evident cause
immediately after that, the
00:39:36.24\00:39:39.61
first miracle we have recorded
is where Jesus turned the water
00:39:39.64\00:39:42.58
into wine at the wedding.
00:39:42.61\00:39:43.95
And at that point, His mother
said to Him, you know, "The wine
00:39:43.98\00:39:47.02
has failed."
00:39:47.05\00:39:48.38
And Jesus said, "My
hour has not yet come."
00:39:48.42\00:39:50.82
He did help, you know, He
did the miracle, but He was very
00:39:50.85\00:39:54.22
aware of the timing.
00:39:54.26\00:39:56.22
So, the whole mission
was laid out at that point.
00:39:56.26\00:39:58.89
Doug: Yeah, good point.
00:39:58.93\00:40:00.26
Jëan: All right,
thank you, Dr. Latif.
00:40:00.30\00:40:01.60
Now we got David in California.
00:40:01.63\00:40:03.43
David, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
00:40:03.47\00:40:05.33
David: Thank you.
00:40:05.37\00:40:06.67
Thanks for putting
on the program too.
00:40:06.70\00:40:08.00
I really appreciate it.
00:40:08.04\00:40:09.37
Doug: Thank you.
00:40:09.40\00:40:10.74
David: Question is--I was
writing--I'm writing up a Bible
00:40:10.77\00:40:12.21
study for the
Three Angels message,
00:40:12.24\00:40:13.91
so I was studying up on it.
00:40:13.94\00:40:16.34
My question is
on Revelation 14:9.
00:40:16.38\00:40:21.25
Now, in King James, it says,
"His mark in his forehead or in
00:40:21.28\00:40:27.56
his hand," but on my New King
James and I looked at five other
00:40:27.59\00:40:31.76
versions, they all have
on forehead or on your hand.
00:40:31.79\00:40:37.00
So, how do I explain that to
somebody or which one do I use
00:40:37.03\00:40:39.47
because to me in and on
are completely different?
00:40:39.50\00:40:42.60
Doug: Yeah, well
I'll say something.
00:40:42.64\00:40:44.77
Pastor Ross probably has a
lot more he can add, but to
00:40:44.81\00:40:49.81
understand Revelation, you
need to go back in the Bible.
00:40:49.84\00:40:53.55
And most of the keys for
understanding these things are
00:40:53.58\00:40:56.28
found in the Old Testament.
00:40:56.32\00:40:58.22
Moses, when he gave his great
sermon at the end of his life in
00:40:58.25\00:41:01.62
Deuteronomy, and he gives the
Great Shema, "Hear, O Israel,
00:41:01.66\00:41:04.99
the Lord our God is one.
00:41:05.03\00:41:06.36
Thou shalt love the
Lord with all your heart."
00:41:06.39\00:41:08.36
He had just finished quoting the
10 Commandments in chapter 5. In
00:41:08.40\00:41:11.07
chapter 6, he says, "These words
that I command you shall be in
00:41:11.10\00:41:14.80
your heart," and
he says, in there.
00:41:14.84\00:41:17.04
And he said, "You shall write
them for a sign on your hand,
00:41:17.07\00:41:20.78
and they shall be
frontlesss between your eyes."
00:41:20.81\00:41:23.58
All three are figures.
00:41:23.61\00:41:25.21
One place that says, you know,
between your eyes, on your hand,
00:41:25.25\00:41:27.58
in your heart.
00:41:27.62\00:41:28.92
I don't think the emphasis is,
you know, was it on, was it in?
00:41:28.95\00:41:32.89
I think the emphasis is that
it's talking about the law of
00:41:32.92\00:41:36.22
God as a symbol in the heart, in
the actions, that's in the hand,
00:41:36.26\00:41:39.96
in the mind.
00:41:40.00\00:41:42.40
Some people have tried to
make it out that the mark of the
00:41:42.43\00:41:45.13
beast is like a tattoo.
00:41:45.17\00:41:46.53
I think one paraphrase, it might
be the Good News Bible, and
00:41:46.57\00:41:49.80
that's a terrible misreading
of what it actually says.
00:41:49.84\00:41:53.04
It's not a tattoo on the hand.
00:41:53.07\00:41:55.38
And that's
confused a lot of people.
00:41:55.41\00:41:57.65
It's basically in the
original--I think it's a mark in
00:41:57.68\00:42:00.18
the hand, meaning it's in your
actions, it's in your thoughts.
00:42:00.22\00:42:03.82
Jëan: And the word that's used
there for the word mark in the
00:42:03.85\00:42:06.69
original Greek is "charakter."
00:42:06.72\00:42:09.02
And we get the English
word character from the
00:42:09.06\00:42:11.59
Greek "charakter."
00:42:11.63\00:42:12.93
But it has the idea of a seal.
00:42:12.96\00:42:15.56
So, you know, back in Bible
times, they'd carve out a seal
00:42:15.60\00:42:18.13
out of stone or out of wood, and
they'd put wax and then impress
00:42:18.17\00:42:22.27
that seal on that wax.
00:42:22.30\00:42:24.04
So in one sense, it was in the
wax, but it was also on the wax.
00:42:24.07\00:42:28.74
So, to have the mark of
the beast, it's not just on the
00:42:28.78\00:42:31.05
forehead, but it's in
the forehead, you might say.
00:42:31.08\00:42:34.68
It has to do with character, it
has to do with will, it has to
00:42:34.72\00:42:37.05
do with choice.
00:42:37.09\00:42:38.42
And of course, it's symbolic.
00:42:38.45\00:42:39.79
There's not only the mark of the
beast, but there's also the seal
00:42:39.82\00:42:41.89
of God.
00:42:41.92\00:42:43.26
And seal and mark
are used interchangeably.
00:42:43.29\00:42:45.49
You'll find in the Old Testament
that God's people are marked in
00:42:45.53\00:42:48.43
the forehead.
00:42:48.46\00:42:49.80
So, you can go back and forth.
00:42:49.83\00:42:51.20
So, yes, it has
to do with the mind.
00:42:51.23\00:42:52.87
Doug: Now try and remember it
in the New King James version,
00:42:52.90\00:42:54.47
does it say the
seal of God is in?
00:42:54.50\00:42:56.07
Jëan: I believe it says
on in the New King James.
00:42:56.10\00:42:58.81
Doug: All right,
so there you have it.
00:42:58.84\00:43:00.34
It's got everybody going around
with a mark on their forehead.
00:43:00.38\00:43:03.35
That can't be what
it's talking about.
00:43:03.38\00:43:04.71
It's got to be a symbol.
00:43:04.75\00:43:06.05
Jëan: It's a symbol, yeah.
00:43:06.08\00:43:07.42
So, the New King James says
on the forehead, the King James
00:43:07.45\00:43:10.05
says in the forehead, but again,
it's the idea of that seal that
00:43:10.09\00:43:13.05
was impressed upon
the mind, upon the heart.
00:43:13.09\00:43:16.42
All right, thank you, David.
00:43:16.46\00:43:17.79
We've got Anthony in Michigan.
00:43:17.83\00:43:19.16
Anthony, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
00:43:19.19\00:43:20.50
Anthony: Hi, my question
was--it's kind of trivial, but
00:43:20.53\00:43:25.43
in the new Jerusalem, do
you think that there will be the
00:43:25.47\00:43:28.17
activity of horseplay?
00:43:28.20\00:43:30.21
I'm wondering cause it's like
a harmless activity that could
00:43:30.24\00:43:33.88
turn into a conflict, but at the
same time, I would think that we
00:43:33.91\00:43:36.98
would have the maturity to
certainly never let that happen
00:43:37.01\00:43:39.85
if we were to partake
in something like that.
00:43:39.88\00:43:42.35
Doug: Yeah, no, it's a
good question in heaven.
00:43:42.38\00:43:44.29
Well, first of all, we're on
holy ground when we talk about
00:43:44.32\00:43:47.22
heaven, because Paul said, "The
eye has not seen, the ear has
00:43:47.26\00:43:51.03
not heard, neither has entered
into the heart of man, the
00:43:51.06\00:43:53.66
things that God has prepared
for those that love Him."
00:43:53.70\00:43:56.73
So, there's a lot--it's
going to be bigger, better, more
00:43:56.77\00:43:59.60
beautiful, just conceptually
so different from what we can
00:43:59.63\00:44:02.57
even imagine.
00:44:02.60\00:44:03.94
But will there be play?
00:44:03.97\00:44:05.41
And I'm trying to remember,
I think it's Zephaniah and a
00:44:05.44\00:44:08.48
couple of verses says, "Children
will be playing in the streets."
00:44:08.51\00:44:12.98
And so, there are children.
00:44:13.01\00:44:14.95
It says that, "A child
will play on the hole of the
00:44:14.98\00:44:18.15
venomous serpent."
00:44:18.19\00:44:19.49
That's in Isaiah maybe
verse--chapter chapter 11.
00:44:19.52\00:44:22.22
"It will not hurt or destroy
in all My holy mountains."
00:44:22.26\00:44:24.43
So, it does say in at least
two verses that children will be
00:44:24.46\00:44:28.16
playing in heaven, and
that's a happy thing, you know.
00:44:28.20\00:44:31.83
One of the signs of peace in
a kingdom or a neighborhood is
00:44:31.87\00:44:34.84
when children are out
playing with each other.
00:44:34.87\00:44:37.34
It's just like when you see
puppies and calves kicking up
00:44:37.37\00:44:39.54
their heels in the field.
00:44:39.57\00:44:41.08
God has made them
to run and to play.
00:44:41.11\00:44:43.88
And so, will it ever turn
into conflict or violence?
00:44:43.91\00:44:47.65
Not in heaven.
00:44:47.68\00:44:49.02
No, never.
00:44:49.05\00:44:50.39
It'll be joyful.
00:44:50.42\00:44:51.75
Jëan: Yeah, the verses you
referred to there, Pastor Doug,
00:44:51.79\00:44:53.86
you mentioned, Isaiah chapter
11, talks about the children
00:44:53.89\00:44:57.06
playing, Zechariah 8:5, talks
about the children playing in
00:44:57.09\00:45:01.06
the streets.
00:45:01.10\00:45:02.43
So, there are
different references to that.
00:45:02.46\00:45:03.77
Yeah.
00:45:03.80\00:45:05.13
Good question.
00:45:05.17\00:45:06.47
Thank you, Anthony.
00:45:06.50\00:45:07.84
Next caller that we
have is Robert in Washington.
00:45:07.87\00:45:09.17
Robert, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
00:45:09.20\00:45:10.54
Robert: Good evening.
00:45:10.57\00:45:11.94
Doug: Good
evening. Thanks for calling.
00:45:11.97\00:45:14.98
Robert: I was going
to ask the question.
00:45:15.01\00:45:17.25
You've probably heard that
there's a church that teaches,
00:45:17.28\00:45:20.82
believes that we were in
heaven before we were born kind
00:45:20.85\00:45:26.02
of thing.
00:45:26.05\00:45:27.39
And I'm wanting to know--that
they used this verse, and I'm
00:45:27.42\00:45:32.83
wanting to know
what you think about it.
00:45:32.86\00:45:35.13
John chapter 9, verses 1 and 2,
00:45:35.16\00:45:37.83
"Now as Jesus passed by, He saw
00:45:37.87\00:45:39.63
a man who was blind from birth.
00:45:39.67\00:45:42.00
And His disciples asked Him,
00:45:42.04\00:45:44.14
saying, 'Rabbi, who sinned.
00:45:44.17\00:45:46.14
This man or his parents
that, he was born blind?'"
00:45:46.17\00:45:51.21
Doug: Yeah, how could he
have sinned to be born blind?
00:45:51.25\00:45:56.25
And the way that the Jews
understood it is that because
00:45:56.28\00:46:00.19
God is all knowing, God
knew this man was going to sin
00:46:00.22\00:46:03.66
in advance.
00:46:03.69\00:46:05.03
And so, he
punished him in advance.
00:46:05.06\00:46:07.00
It wasn't saying that he
had lived in a prior life.
00:46:07.03\00:46:09.86
Their idea was not that, you
know, he had been reincarnated
00:46:09.90\00:46:13.74
in some way, but that because
God is all knowing, He knew this
00:46:13.77\00:46:17.17
man was going to turn
towards wickedness and so he got
00:46:17.21\00:46:19.21
punished in advance.
00:46:19.24\00:46:20.94
That's bad theology, but there
was a lot of things that the
00:46:20.98\00:46:24.35
religious leaders had adopted
that were not good theology in
00:46:24.38\00:46:27.95
the time of Christ and that's
why Jesus spent so much time
00:46:27.98\00:46:30.99
trying to straighten them out.
00:46:31.02\00:46:32.42
Jëan: And of course, they also
believed that you were alive in
00:46:32.45\00:46:34.96
your mother's womb.
00:46:34.99\00:46:36.22
And the question is, well, did
he sin from his mother's womb
00:46:36.26\00:46:39.46
before he was actually born?
00:46:39.49\00:46:41.00
And that's why they
were so puzzled by this.
00:46:41.03\00:46:43.33
They said, "Lord,
how could this be?
00:46:43.37\00:46:44.67
Did he sin? Did his mother sin?
00:46:44.70\00:46:46.17
I mean, well, what happened?"
00:46:46.20\00:46:48.04
Doug: And keep in
mind, Jesus's answer is no.
00:46:48.07\00:46:50.04
He said, "Neither this man's
sin, nor his mother's, but that
00:46:50.07\00:46:52.61
that God might be glorified."
00:46:52.64\00:46:54.34
So, yeah, Jesus didn't say,
"Yeah, in his prior life, he was
00:46:54.38\00:46:56.98
really bad, so
he's catching it now."
00:46:57.01\00:46:59.25
If Christ had said something,
then we'd have more pause
00:46:59.28\00:47:02.05
for questioning.
00:47:02.08\00:47:03.39
But, you know,
Jesus brushed that aside.
00:47:03.42\00:47:05.82
Jëan: All right, very good.
00:47:05.85\00:47:07.19
Lenore in Arizona.
00:47:07.22\00:47:08.56
Lenore, welcome to the program.
00:47:08.59\00:47:09.89
Lenore: Thank you.
00:47:09.92\00:47:11.66
My question is, if Moses, or
when Moses wrote the first five
00:47:11.69\00:47:17.03
books of the Bible, I would like
to know in his short life, as we
00:47:17.07\00:47:22.40
would call it, how would he have
enough time to write personal
00:47:22.44\00:47:26.64
things about certain events and
he wrote thousands and thousands
00:47:26.68\00:47:32.48
and thousands of words.
00:47:32.51\00:47:34.18
And what did he write on?
00:47:34.22\00:47:35.98
How could he write all that?
00:47:36.02\00:47:38.19
Doug: All right, good.
00:47:38.22\00:47:39.55
Well keep in mind,
Moses lived 120 years.
00:47:39.59\00:47:42.09
Moses was also educated
in one of the most advanced
00:47:42.12\00:47:45.83
civilizations in the world.
00:47:45.86\00:47:47.20
He spent 40 years in
Egypt before he fled into
00:47:47.23\00:47:49.46
the wilderness.
00:47:49.50\00:47:50.83
Certainly he knew how to read
and write, and the Egyptians
00:47:50.87\00:47:54.27
also had mastered paper.
00:47:54.30\00:47:56.44
It was called papyrus.
00:47:56.47\00:47:58.24
And so, with simple ink, they
would make ink out of an oil
00:47:58.27\00:48:02.08
and charcoal.
00:48:02.11\00:48:03.45
They could make
a simple black ink.
00:48:03.48\00:48:04.88
Moses could have easily written.
00:48:04.91\00:48:07.05
And the first book that he wrote
was probably the book of Job.
00:48:07.08\00:48:10.79
And the book of Job is telling
about, you know, this great
00:48:10.82\00:48:13.46
battle between good and evil.
00:48:13.49\00:48:15.22
And then Moses probably wrote
the book, well, it says he wrote
00:48:15.26\00:48:18.26
the book of Genesis.
00:48:18.29\00:48:19.79
And I'm guessing that Moses was
relating what he had received
00:48:19.83\00:48:25.00
through the Holy Spirit and
through oral tradition being
00:48:25.03\00:48:28.17
passed down.
00:48:28.20\00:48:29.50
Keep in mind, they had almost
photographic memories back then,
00:48:29.54\00:48:33.38
and they would pass down
the holy truth about origins.
00:48:33.41\00:48:37.41
And Moses recorded them guided
by the Spirit to make sure it
00:48:37.45\00:48:40.75
was all accurate.
00:48:40.78\00:48:42.02
So, he had plenty of time in the
wilderness, 40 years, before he
00:48:42.05\00:48:45.09
even went to Egypt to lead
the children of Israel out.
00:48:45.12\00:48:47.99
So, he had 40 years in the
wilderness with papyrus and
00:48:48.02\00:48:52.39
whatever you would
need to do that writing.
00:48:52.43\00:48:54.66
Jëan: And then, of course, from
Exodus onwards, that's actually
00:48:54.73\00:48:58.17
real time.
00:48:58.20\00:48:59.53
So, Moses could be writing down
as the events are happening.
00:48:59.57\00:49:01.77
He's recording different things.
00:49:01.80\00:49:03.54
There are some portions that
maybe he had a scribe after the
00:49:03.57\00:49:07.48
fact where it talks
about Moses's death and when it
00:49:07.51\00:49:09.84
talks about--
00:49:09.88\00:49:11.21
Doug: Yeah, Joshua
may have written that.
00:49:11.25\00:49:12.55
Jëan: Joshua or somebody
probably finished it off, but
00:49:12.58\00:49:13.88
without a doubt, the bulk of
the writing of those books were
00:49:13.92\00:49:16.85
by Moses.
00:49:16.89\00:49:18.55
All right, thank
you. Good question.
00:49:18.59\00:49:21.22
Tricia from Montana.
Tricia, welcome to the program.
00:49:21.26\00:49:23.96
Tricia: Okay, thanks.
00:49:23.99\00:49:25.29
I just have always
assumed God was--is a man.
00:49:25.33\00:49:31.40
Jesus tells us to pray, "Our
Father, which art in heaven."
00:49:31.43\00:49:36.77
A church member said that they
don't know what gender God is,
00:49:36.81\00:49:40.81
so I just wanted to clarify.
00:49:40.84\00:49:43.28
Doug: Yeah, well if you're going
to use the Bible as your guide,
00:49:43.31\00:49:48.05
the Lord typically refers to
Himself in a patriarchal sense,
00:49:48.08\00:49:52.65
as opposed to a
matriarchal sense.
00:49:52.69\00:49:55.26
So, you know, God is
referred to as our Father.
00:49:55.29\00:49:59.09
They use the word He
when referring to the Lord as
00:49:59.13\00:50:02.26
opposed--doesn't
ever refer to God as she.
00:50:02.30\00:50:04.80
I'm not trying
to be misogynistic.
00:50:04.83\00:50:08.27
I'm just saying this
is what the Bible says.
00:50:08.30\00:50:10.81
And, you know, we can't be
changing the words of scripture.
00:50:10.84\00:50:13.48
Now does the Lord have some
of the same love as a woman?
00:50:13.51\00:50:18.05
Well, yeah.
00:50:18.08\00:50:19.38
The Bible says that, you know,
as a mother loves her children,
00:50:19.41\00:50:23.25
and can a woman forget her
loving or her nursing children?
00:50:23.28\00:50:26.09
God says, "I
will not forget you."
00:50:26.12\00:50:27.99
And Jesus said, "I would have
gathered you under My wings as
00:50:28.02\00:50:30.83
a hen."
00:50:30.86\00:50:32.19
That's a female
chicken, under her wings.
00:50:32.23\00:50:34.20
He--so, you know, there's
attributes where God talks about
00:50:34.23\00:50:38.73
the love of a mother, and
He compares it to His love.
00:50:38.77\00:50:41.60
But for the most part, God seems
to identify Himself and man
00:50:41.64\00:50:45.44
being made in the image of
God and woman was after that.
00:50:45.47\00:50:51.18
I think we're missing something
when we try to--first of all, I
00:50:51.21\00:50:55.38
want to spend a lot of
time thinking about God's gender
00:50:55.42\00:50:57.79
plumbing because I'm sure that
it's nothing like what we're
00:50:57.82\00:51:00.49
imagining or what we deal with
on earth, but He does identify
00:51:00.52\00:51:04.79
Himself in the
masculine in the Bible.
00:51:04.83\00:51:06.63
So, let's accept that and
not try and rewrite it based on
00:51:06.66\00:51:10.37
cultural, social
changes right now.
00:51:10.40\00:51:14.44
Jëan: All right, thank you.
00:51:14.47\00:51:15.77
Our next call that
we have is Juan in Ohio.
00:51:15.80\00:51:17.94
Juan, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
00:51:17.97\00:51:19.47
Juan: Hey, good evening, guys.
00:51:19.51\00:51:20.88
Doug: Evening.
00:51:20.91\00:51:22.24
Juan: I was watching this
new series "House of David" on
00:51:22.28\00:51:25.28
Amazon Prime.
00:51:25.31\00:51:26.61
It seems to indicate that
he--that his parents are not his
00:51:26.65\00:51:31.35
real parents and I can't
find any verse in the Bible that
00:51:31.39\00:51:36.86
proves that.
00:51:36.89\00:51:38.36
Doug: Yeah.
00:51:38.39\00:51:39.73
Well I haven't seen the series
you're talking about, but I can
00:51:39.76\00:51:42.80
be very careful about basing
your theology on Hollywood's
00:51:42.83\00:51:46.57
Creed of license.
00:51:46.60\00:51:49.04
David, it tells us as plainly as
it tells us anything else in the
00:51:49.07\00:51:52.87
Bible that his father was Jesse.
00:51:52.91\00:51:57.08
It refers to his father and
mother many times and he had
00:51:57.11\00:52:03.49
seven brothers and one sister.
00:52:03.52\00:52:07.02
Talks about Joab, Asahel,
and, was it Abishai, the sons of
00:52:07.06\00:52:12.96
Joab, the son of Zeruiah.
00:52:12.99\00:52:15.26
Doug: Yeah, that was
David's sister, I think.
00:52:15.30\00:52:16.87
Yeah, Zeruiah.
00:52:16.90\00:52:19.23
So, he's got one
sister, brothers.
00:52:19.27\00:52:21.97
When Samuel comes to anoint him
as King, Samuel says, "Do you
00:52:22.00\00:52:27.01
have any other sons?"
00:52:27.04\00:52:28.34
He said, "I got one more,
the youngest, he's sort of a
00:52:28.38\00:52:29.98
daydreamer," and they bring him
in, and everything makes it very
00:52:30.01\00:52:32.58
clear that they
were his real parents.
00:52:32.61\00:52:35.08
You even find it in the book
of Ruth that David is the great
00:52:35.12\00:52:38.62
grandson of Ruth and Boaz.
00:52:38.65\00:52:40.66
So, if they're making this stuff
up in Hollywood trying to make
00:52:40.69\00:52:44.66
the story more interesting,
first of all, I don't think it
00:52:44.69\00:52:47.76
does make it more interesting,
but oh, I've said enough.
00:52:47.76\00:52:50.77
Jëan: And then also in the
genealogy that you read in the
00:52:50.80\00:52:52.67
New Testament, it
traces all the way to Matthew.
00:52:52.70\00:52:54.54
Doug: Chapter 1 of Matthew.
00:52:54.57\00:52:55.87
Jëan: Yep, all the way back
to David and Jesse and so on.
00:52:55.90\00:52:57.61
Yeah, pretty clear.
00:52:57.64\00:52:59.27
All right, thank you.
00:52:59.31\00:53:00.78
Chloe, age eight,
listening in Ohio.
00:53:00.81\00:53:03.01
Chloe, welcome to the program.
00:53:03.04\00:53:04.85
Chloe: Hi, thank you.
00:53:04.88\00:53:06.75
Doug: Hi, thanks for calling.
00:53:06.78\00:53:09.52
Chloe: When we get to
heaven, will we wear crowns?
00:53:09.55\00:53:13.69
Doug: The Bible does tell
us that we will have crowns
00:53:13.72\00:53:16.19
in heaven.
00:53:16.22\00:53:17.56
And it tells us in Revelation
that there--they'll be
00:53:17.59\00:53:21.03
given crowns.
00:53:21.06\00:53:22.46
And some people will
have stars in their crowns.
00:53:22.50\00:53:25.73
I think it tells us
that in Daniel chapter 12.
00:53:25.77\00:53:28.14
They will--those who turn others
to righteousness will be like
00:53:28.17\00:53:30.74
the stars forever and ever.
00:53:30.77\00:53:32.54
And you've got that verse here,
Pastor Ross, where he talks
00:53:32.57\00:53:35.54
about the crowns in Revelation?
00:53:35.58\00:53:37.15
Jëan: Yeah, well Paul says
in 2 Timothy chapter 4, verse 8,
00:53:37.18\00:53:40.28
that, "There is a crown of
righteousness laid up not only
00:53:40.32\00:53:43.62
for him, but for all of those
at the second coming of Christ."
00:53:43.65\00:53:46.99
James speaks about a crown,
"Blessed are those who face
00:53:47.02\00:53:50.16
temptation," or endure a
temptation, "they'll receive a
00:53:50.19\00:53:53.16
crown of life."
00:53:53.19\00:53:55.36
1 Peter talks about a crown.
00:53:55.40\00:53:56.87
So, there's a lot
of--I'm just looking at--
00:53:56.90\00:53:58.27
Doug: In Revelation, doesn't
Jesus say, "Don't let anyone
00:53:58.30\00:54:00.14
take your crown?"
00:54:00.17\00:54:01.47
Jëan: Yeah, that's right.
00:54:01.50\00:54:02.84
Jesus says to the
church of, which one is it?
00:54:02.87\00:54:04.27
I forget.
00:54:04.31\00:54:05.64
One of the churches, "Don't
let anyone take your crown."
00:54:05.67\00:54:07.01
I think it's Sardis.
00:54:07.04\00:54:08.38
Doug: There's lots of
crowns that it's pretty clear.
00:54:08.41\00:54:10.85
Now you don't have to wear your
crown all the time, but, you
00:54:10.88\00:54:15.25
know, you may want to go climb a
tree and play with your friends
00:54:15.28\00:54:17.59
and not have your crown on.
00:54:17.62\00:54:19.09
You may want to take it and
cast it at Jesus's feet when you
00:54:19.12\00:54:21.62
see Him.
00:54:21.66\00:54:22.99
But yeah, crowns are
going to be real in heaven.
00:54:23.02\00:54:24.96
Yeah, let me see if we
can get another question in
00:54:24.99\00:54:26.66
here, pastor.
00:54:26.70\00:54:28.00
Jëan: Oh we got
Ruben in New Jersey.
00:54:28.03\00:54:29.33
Ruben, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
00:54:29.36\00:54:30.67
Ruben: Good evening, pastors.
00:54:30.70\00:54:32.03
My question is, why did some of
the--some of God's people in the
00:54:32.07\00:54:37.41
Old Testament have more
than one wife, like Solomon?
00:54:37.44\00:54:41.41
And I know that Solomon heard
the book of Genesis where it
00:54:41.44\00:54:45.21
says that Adam and
Eve became one flesh.
00:54:45.25\00:54:47.95
The question is why did
God didn't tell them that it
00:54:47.98\00:54:50.22
was wrong?
00:54:50.25\00:54:52.05
Doug: Well I think God did tell
them in the writings of Moses,
00:54:52.09\00:54:57.19
and I forget the verse Pastor
Ross when it says, "These are
00:54:57.23\00:54:59.36
the rules about a king, he will
not multiply horses from Egypt,
00:54:59.39\00:55:02.46
and he will not multiply wives."
00:55:02.50\00:55:05.33
So, Solomon did everything wrong
he could do, but, you know, not
00:55:05.37\00:55:08.87
just Solomon is always the
example people look at cause he
00:55:08.90\00:55:11.24
had like hundreds.
00:55:11.27\00:55:12.67
One reason that kings did that,
it was a custom, and Solomon was
00:55:12.71\00:55:15.81
following the custom of the
times that a king wanting to
00:55:15.84\00:55:19.05
make sure that
his monarchy lasted.
00:55:19.08\00:55:21.55
He would have lots of sons,
and they would have different
00:55:21.58\00:55:24.15
appointments in the kingdom and
different office, and you could
00:55:24.19\00:55:26.89
guarantee that your
name would be carried on.
00:55:26.92\00:55:30.03
David, I think, had like
ten concubines and five wives.
00:55:30.06\00:55:34.56
And Jacob, of course, he only
wanted one wife, he only wanted
00:55:34.56\00:55:38.17
Rachel, but he ended
up with three extra ones.
00:55:38.20\00:55:41.77
Jëan: Of course Deuteronomy
17:17 is the counsel that was
00:55:41.80\00:55:45.01
given to kings not to multiply
unto themselves wives because
00:55:45.04\00:55:48.18
it'll turn their
hearts away from God.
00:55:48.21\00:55:49.94
Well that's what happened.
00:55:49.98\00:55:51.28
Doug: That's what
happened with Solomon.
00:55:51.31\00:55:53.01
And Jesus said, "No
man can serve two masters."
00:55:53.05\00:55:55.88
So, it's pretty clear that a
man should only have one wife.
00:55:55.92\00:56:00.06
So, this was, you
know, clearly God's plan.
00:56:00.09\00:56:02.76
In Bible times, a lot of men
went to war and there was a lot
00:56:02.79\00:56:07.03
of mortality and often after
years of war, you might have
00:56:07.10\00:56:12.13
seven women for each man.
00:56:12.17\00:56:15.57
That's why you've got that verse
in Isaiah that said, "In that
00:56:15.60\00:56:19.24
day seven women," that's Isaiah
chapter 4, verse 1, I believe.
00:56:19.27\00:56:23.04
"Seven women will lay hold
of one man, saying, 'We will eat
00:56:23.08\00:56:26.78
our own bread, we will wear
our own apparel; Only let us be
00:56:26.82\00:56:30.25
called by your name, to
take away our reproach.'"
00:56:30.29\00:56:32.32
So many men had been killed off
by the wars that men often would
00:56:32.82\00:56:36.83
take many wives to help make
sure that they had offspring,
00:56:36.86\00:56:40.26
take care of them in old age.
00:56:40.30\00:56:42.06
It was their social security.
00:56:42.10\00:56:44.07
Jëan: Well Pastor Doug, we're
going to take some of our email
00:56:44.10\00:56:46.94
questions the folks
have sent to us here.
00:56:46.97\00:56:49.27
And if you'd like to send us
an email question, just simply
00:56:49.30\00:56:52.24
email
balquestions@amazingfacts.org.
00:56:52.27\00:56:56.34
All right, Pastor Doug, first
question that we have, when Mary
00:56:56.38\00:57:01.15
received the Holy Spirit
and Jesus was born to her,
00:57:01.18\00:57:04.22
obviously, Christ is a divine
being, did that somehow make
00:57:04.25\00:57:07.79
Mary divine?
00:57:07.82\00:57:09.29
Doug: No.
00:57:09.32\00:57:10.66
And, you know, God
had His presence in the
00:57:10.69\00:57:13.50
middle of Israel.
00:57:13.53\00:57:14.83
They didn't all become divine.
00:57:14.83\00:57:17.60
When we get the baptism of the
Holy Spirit, as long as we walk
00:57:17.63\00:57:20.37
with the Lord, God's in
us, but we don't become gods.
00:57:20.40\00:57:23.47
And so, when Mary was chosen to
be a vehicle for bringing God's
00:57:23.51\00:57:28.38
son into the world, Jesus was
also fully human, so that part
00:57:28.41\00:57:31.45
of Him wasn't Mary.
00:57:31.48\00:57:32.81
He was born like
other children are born.
00:57:32.85\00:57:34.35
So, it didn't
turn her into a god.
00:57:34.38\00:57:36.18
Nowhere does the Bible say
we should worship her, anywhere.
00:57:36.22\00:57:39.22
Jëan: Another question that we
have, the Bible tells us that we
00:57:39.25\00:57:41.39
need to pray for others, but it
also says that we have freedom
00:57:41.42\00:57:44.46
of choice.
00:57:44.49\00:57:45.83
So what difference
do our prayers make?
00:57:45.86\00:57:47.66
Doug: Yeah.
00:57:47.66\00:57:48.96
Well it is true that people have
freedom of choice, but by our
00:57:49.00\00:57:50.80
intercession for others, I
believe it frees the Holy Spirit
00:57:50.83\00:57:54.37
and God to work in their
lives through others, through
00:57:54.40\00:57:56.77
providence in ways that would
not happen if we did not pray.
00:57:56.81\00:58:00.74
So, by all means, friends,
intercede for the ones that you
00:58:00.78\00:58:03.58
love because God
will work in their lives.
00:58:03.61\00:58:05.78
Jesus prayed for us, we
should pray for others as well.
00:58:05.81\00:58:08.28
God bless. We'll
study together next week.
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