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Pastor Doug Batchelor.
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Doug Batchelor: Well,
friends, would you like to hear
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an amazing fact?
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From its first flight in
1969 for 35 years until 2005,
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the Boeing 747 reigned supreme
as the largest passenger plane
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in the world.
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Everything about the plane was
big, so big that a new building
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had to be
constructed to assemble it.
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The main building where the
Boeing was built in Everett,
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Washington, was the world's
largest building by volume,
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covering nearly 100 acres
that enclosed an impressive
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472 million cubic feet of space.
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That's enough room to contain
Disneyland with 12 acres left
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over for parking.
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The wingspan of the original
747-100 model was 195 feet and
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8 inches.
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This is longer than the first
flight of the Wright Brothers.
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So, how many passengers
can you fit on a Boeing 747?
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Normally, it was
somewhere between 400 and 500.
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But there's one case where 747
carried over 1000 passengers.
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On May 24th, 1991 as part of
Operation Solomon to evacuate
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Ethiopian Jews to Israel, an EL
AL Boeing 747-400 took off from
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Addis Abba with 1086 passengers
and landed in Israel with 1088.
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Two babies were born en route.
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This flight still holds the
record as the largest number of
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passengers in one aircraft.
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Brother Alden, you know, I think
about in the Bible where it says
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God is going to evacuate His
people to another Promised Land,
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and we're looking forward to
that, but that's a pretty big
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payload to carry over
1000 people on one flight.
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Alden Ho: But the cloud's
going to carry even more people
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than that.
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Doug: That's right, and
you know, there's a verse
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in the Bible that
tells us about that.
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You can read in 1 Thessalonians
4:16, "For the Lord Himself will
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descend from heaven
with a shout, with the voice
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of an archangel,
and the trumpet of God.
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And the dead in
Christ will rise first.
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Then we who are alive and remain
will be caught up together
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with them in the clouds
to meet the Lord in the air.
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And thus we shall
always be with the Lord."
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And so, I was
reading the history of this
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incredible evacuation.
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Israel, actually, they
chose to do this on the Sabbath.
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And what they did is, for
one thing, they needed all
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the available airplanes because
Ethiopia was going to close
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the gate, allowing the
Ethiopian Jews to leave.
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They weren't going to let them
leave after a certain deadline.
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So they had to mobilize
as many planes as they could.
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And according to their law, you
know, acts of mercy to save life
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were permitted.
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And so they sent all these
airplanes down and just filled
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them up.
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This one plane had over 1000,
but there were lots of planes
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and they brought thousands
of these Ethiopian Jews who were
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being persecuted into Israel,
where many of them are today.
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Alden: That's amazing.
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You know, we have a study guide
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Loving Father, we thank You
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to answer some
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We ask and pray that You would
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us and show us what it is
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who are calling, and continue
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We pray in Jesus's name, amen.
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We have our first caller, Grace.
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She's in California and
she has a question regarding
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the Ten Commandments.
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Grace, are you there?
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Welcome.
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Grace: Yes, yes, good
evening, my question is about
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the Ten Commandments.
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I'm doing the lesson
"Written on the Stone!"
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from Amazing Facts with
my friend, and they asked me
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this question: Were the Ten
Commandments there in heaven
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before the fall of Lucifer?
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Doug: Were the Ten Commandments
in existence before the fall
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of Lucifer?
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You could even say
before the Fall of Man.
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The principles of the Ten
Commandments have always been
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in existence because
the Ten Commandments are
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basically an expression of love.
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God is love.
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The first four commandments
deal with our love for God,
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the last deal with our
love for our fellow man.
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In the very beginning, you look
in the Garden of Eden, and right
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after Adam and Eve were evicted,
before the Ten Commandments were
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written down, God said to
Cain, "Sin lies at your door."
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Cain knew that murder was a sin.
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And Joseph, before the
Ten Commandments were written,
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he said to Potiphar's
wife, "How can I commit this sin
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against God?"
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Joseph knew that adultery was a
sin before the Ten Commandments
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were written.
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So you can find that
the principles of the
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Ten Commandments have been in
existence ever since Creation.
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You know, the Sabbath may not
have been in existence on our
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planet before the seventh
day, but the principles of the
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Ten Commandments, being love
for God and love for others,
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have always been in
existence, or eternal.
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Alden: We actually have a
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And if you happen to be driving
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We have another caller here.
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Glenn in Ohio, he's got a
question regarding Colossians 2.
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Glenn, are you there?
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Glenn: Yes, it is.
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Thank you very much
and good evening to you
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from Bethel, Ohio.
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Doug: Good evening, Glenn.
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Glenn: People still today have
a problem with Colossians 2:16.
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And the problem that I
see there is a couple of
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grammatical problems.
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Number one is "let no man."
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I think the elocution of
the word "man" is very important
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because you shouldn't let
any--just any man in general
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can judge you in meat and
drink and holy days and Sabbath.
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And so, it's important that you
allocate that property, that you
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not--that you are talking about
a general population and not
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somebody that's in the know.
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The other grammatical areas
in the second part of the verse
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where it's in italics and
was added by the translators.
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So if you take that out
of there, you come out with,
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"Let no man therefore judge you
in meat, or drink, or holyday,
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or sabbath: but the
body of Christ judge you,"
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and you put a little trailer
on the end there to judge you.
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I think it makes sense, that
the statement is being made that
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you want somebody who's in
the know to judge you by keeping
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those special days.
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Doug: All right,
Glenn, what is your question?
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Glenn: Does it make sense,
that proper interpretation?
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Doug: All right, first, for our
friends listening, let me read
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the verse because a lot of folks
are driving down the road and
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they're going, "Colossians 2?"
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They may not know what that is.
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So, here Paul is speaking in
Colossians and he's talking to
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Colossians believers that
were sort of being, probably,
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hassled a little bit by
some of the Jewish Christians.
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These are Christians--or Jews
who had accepted Christ that
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were saying, "Now that you've
accepted Christ, you still need
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to keep some of the Mosaic Laws,
the annual feasts, and, like,
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the Passover, Day of Atonement,
and some of the new moons
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and festivals."
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And Paul said, "Don't
let them judge you regarding
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those things, which are
shadows of things to come,
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but the substances of Christ."
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Now, the substance of
those Old Testament ordinances
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was pointing to Jesus.
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When Jesus came, when He died
on the cross, He died on the
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Passover, the veil in the temple
was torn in two, the ceremonial
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system was really
brought to an end at that point.
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But the Ten Commandments,
that's a separate thing.
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So some people say where it
says, "Don't let any man judge
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you regarding Sabbath Days,"
it's talking about the Jewish
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annual Sabbath Days.
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It's not talking about the
Sabbath of the weekly cycle.
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But--and then you said, "But let
the body of Christ judge you,"
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and I've got to take
a closer look at that.
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I've never really
seen that verse that way,
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and you may be right.
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I just--I'm going to have
to investigate the last half
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of that.
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Thank you, Glenn, and
appreciate your insights.
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Alden: All right,
we have another caller.
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Tydus is calling from
Virginia and he's got a question
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regarding the covenant.
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Tydus, welcome to the program.
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Tydus: Hey, good evening.
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Doug: Evening.
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Tydus: I was wondering how
to address the view on Mary
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as an ark of the covenant type.
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Doug: You mean, like,
Mary the mother of Jesus.
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Tydus: Yes.
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Doug: And you're wondering,
is she somehow synonymous or--
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with the ark of the covenant?
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Tydus: No, I'm wondering
how to explain to somebody
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how she's--how
you don't worship her.
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Doug: Yeah, well, I've heard
some of my Catholic friends have
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said in the same way that
the ark of the covenant held the
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Word, Mary is the mother
of Jesus held the living Word,
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which is Christ.
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So, is that what
you're talking about?
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That analogy?
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Yeah, well, that's
a beautiful analogy.
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I don't think
that that would support
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deifying Mary in any way.
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And, you know,
she's not the golden box.
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So I don't buy that analogy,
though it might sound, you know,
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it might sound
beautiful and attractive.
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But I don't think
that Mary is divine.
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I think Mary was a godly woman.
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She was a saint in the same
sense that other faithful people
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can be saints, but that--she's
not to be deified or worshiped.
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And so when, you know, when I
hear my Catholic friends share
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analogies like that, it's almost
like they're--at the very center
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of the Jewish worship
was the ark in the middle
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of the Holy of Holies.
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And so to put Mary in that
place would almost put her in
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that place of worship.
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You know, we have a book
that's called--it's about Mary
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in the New Testament.
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Mary the mother of God,
the--answering the mysteries
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about the mother of Jesus.
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And if you call and ask for our
gift book on Mary, you can call
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or pound--text.
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Alden: That's right, the book is
called, "The Mystery of Mary,"
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and they can
call 1-800-835-6747.
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We'll be glad to
send you the book.
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"The Mystery of Mary."
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So now we have Malachi.
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Malachi is
calling from Connecticut
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and he's got a question
about Jesus and Michael.
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Malachi: Good evening.
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Alden: Hi.
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Doug: And your question tonight?
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Malachi: So my question tonight
is: Did Jesus become Michael,
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an archangel, to fight Lucifer,
according to Revelation 12:9?
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Doug: Well, when you--this is
something that people often get
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confused about, is the subject
of Michael the Archangel.
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Jesus has many names and before
Christ came to earth, in the Old
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Testament every now and then
Jesus would enter--He would kind
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of go between the veil
and He would come to humanity.
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And the one who spoke to
Abraham, when it says Abraham
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spoke to the
Lord, that was Jesus.
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When this holy soldier
met with Joshua and He said,
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"Take your shoes off,"
well, obviously, He's God
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because He's being
told to worship Him.
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He said, "I've come as
captain of God's army."
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So one of the titles
that Jesus uses to appear
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in the Old
Testament is that of Michael.
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Now, Jesus is not an angel.
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Jesus is the ever
living Son of God.
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But when you read, for instance,
in the New Testament, it says,
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we just read this tonight,
"The Lord Himself will descend
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from heaven with a shout, with
the voice of the archangel."
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Christ has the
voice of the archangel.
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And then you read where it says
in the book of Jude verse 9 when
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Michael came to resurrect Moses
and the devil disputed with him
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about the body of Moses.
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Well, who is the
one that resurrects?
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Jesus said, "I am the
resurrection and life."
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And then you look in Daniel
chapter 12, it says just before
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the great time of
trouble, Michael stands up.
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Well, it's Christ who
ceases his intercession
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and he stands up.
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Judgment is over.
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Then, a great
time of trouble comes.
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So when you look at all
the pictures of Michael in the
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Bible, you realize that this
is just one of the Old Testament
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terms for Christ.
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So when it says "the dragon
fought with his angels against
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Michael and his angels,"
well, the dragon is the leader
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of evil.
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Michael, Christ,
is the leader of good.
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The dragon is a
symbolic name for Satan.
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Michael is a
symbolic name for Christ.
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So we're not
saying Jesus is an angel.
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Michael is
never called an angel.
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He's called the archangel, which
means the greatest messenger.
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And we've got a book on that.
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"Who is Michael the Archangel?"
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We'll send you a free copy.
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Alden: And you can get
that if you call 1-800-835-6747.
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We'll be able to
get that out for you.
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Those of you who are driving
down the road, if you want
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to give us a call or
sitting at home, 1-800-463-7297.
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And we'll be able to
try and get your call.
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Now, we have Gary.
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Gary from Illinois.
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He's got a question in regards
to the beasts of Revelation 13.
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Gary, are you there?
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Gary: Yes, in Revelation
13, two beasts and a dragon come
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into power and they
help each other into power.
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Verse 7 says they "make war
against the saints and overcome
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them," so my question is: Is
this scenario starting to happen
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right now?
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I know the beast as
civil and religious power.
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Is this happening right now?
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Doug: All right,
Gary, great question.
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And in a word, yes,
it is happening now.
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When you study the two beasts of
Revelation chapter 13, it says
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one of these beasts, he comes up
out of the sea, and then you go
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to verse 11, another second
beast comes up out of the land.
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And in a word, very simply,
this represents a religious
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political power, the first
one being centered with the
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Orthodox Catholicism in Europe,
the second one with apostate
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Protestantism in North America.
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And they are going to lead--
they're going to basically join
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hands together, and through
the union of these two great
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religious powers there's
going to be religious laws made
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that will persecute people
that are biblical Christians.
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And so gradually we're seeing
that, you know, I don't think
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too many people would disagree
that Pope Francis is becoming
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more and more political,
talking about social issues
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as opposed to
biblical issues and salvation.
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And churches in North America
are also getting political.
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And where, you know, you just--
now, I do believe in, you know,
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having freedom to
worship and protecting that,
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and I'm all for that, but
you don't want the church to get
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to the place where it
legislates how to worship.
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I think it was Roger Williams,
one reason America I think
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became a great country
and everyone came over here is
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because Roger Williams realized,
on the Ten Commandments
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you need to separate.
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While all ten should be taught,
you need to separate that
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the government has no business
in forcing the first four.
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The first four commandments say
what is God, who is God, rather,
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what is His name, and you know,
how to worship Him, talking
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about whether or not
idolatry, when to worship Him.
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Government should have
nothing to do with that.
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But the last six commandments,
a government must uphold the
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sanctity of marriage, the rights
of property, parental leadership
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over the
children, life and so forth.
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But there's going to be an
amalgamation of those two powers
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and they're going to
persecute God's people.
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I could go on and on,
but we got a study guide.
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Talks about, "Who
is the Antichrist?"
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And we'll send you a free
copy of that, Gary, and I think
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that'll answer those questions.
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Alden: I was
thinking of the one, "The USA
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in Bible Prophecy."
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Doug: We can do both.
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Alden: Both of those are good.
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And you can get
that 1-800-835-6747.
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Thanks, Gary.
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We now have
Michaela in Connecticut.
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She has a question in
regards to the status of humans.
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Are you there, Michaela?
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Michaela: Yes, hi.
Good evening, pastors.
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My question tonight is:
According to Psalms 8:5 and 6,
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were we created a little
lower than God or angels--
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or His angels?
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Doug: Well, we're
definitely created lower because
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we are not God.
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And then Hebrews says, and
Hebrews is quoting from Psalm 8,
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that man has been made a
little lower than the angels.
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Now, man was made
in the image of God.
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And so, man is, man meaning
humans, are the crowning act
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of God's creation on earth.
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And originally, the
dominion of our planet was given
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to humanity, but we basically
disobeyed God, handed it over,
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we gave the keys to
the devil, so to speak.
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Jesus speaks of the devil
as the prince of this world.
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But--and we're also made a
little lower than the angels
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when it comes to power.
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And you know, angels are
spiritual beings and they're
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the ministering spirits of God.
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So, yeah, there
is a distinction.
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There's an order there.
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But angels are created, humans,
with the exception of Adam
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and Eve, were born.
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So there's a difference there.
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Alden: But some actually think
that they're maybe equal to God.
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Doug: Yeah, well, there's
no doubt there are people and
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religions that say that you
are, can be, equal with God.
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And that's, of course, wrong.
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Alden: Right.
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All right, thank you, Michaela.
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We have Lynn in Alabama,
and Lynn is--got a question in
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regards to women being ordained.
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Lynn: Yes, I would like to know
if it's biblical for a woman
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to be a ordained pastor.
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Doug: Okay, great question.
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Of course, it's a controversial
question, but we want
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to give you the Bible answer.
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So if you're upset,
take it up with God.
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In the Bible, God makes a
distinction between the roles
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of men and women.
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And I think for, you know,
probably thousands of years,
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most people thought
that was what you would call
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a self-evident truth, that
women are a whole lot better at
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nurturing children than
men are and their bodies have
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three biological functions
that men don't even possess.
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And men are
better at some things.
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I mean, you know, when you
try and get girls to compete in
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men's sports, it doesn't go
well, and it's not fair for men
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to compete in women's
sports, in some areas anyway.
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So there's a distinction.
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God designed originally that
He made Adam first, and man is
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to be the servant
leader in the family.
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And you know, we are to
love our wives as Christ loves
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the church.
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There should be a
sacrificial love there.
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And in the same way, though,
it does say that men are to be
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the priests in the family.
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So there's no example in
the Bible of woman serving
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in the capacity of a
priest or offering sacrifice.
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When Moses was told to choose
leadership for Israel, it said,
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you know, "Choose men to
lead out in tens and fifties,
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hundreds and"--I
forget, was it hundreds?
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Or did it go to thousands?
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But he said, "Choose men."
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When the New Testament church
was growing, Peter said God had
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inspired him that they
should pick out seven men.
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When Jesus chose
apostles, He chose 12 men.
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And all the kings
that God chose were men.
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Of course, they would be called
a queen if they were chosen that
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way, but--so God typically,
in the Bible, He says that men
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should be the servant leaders,
and only men are called to be
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apostles, pastors,
priests in the Bible.
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Now, you do have women that
served in the role of prophetess
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in the Bible.
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You've got some women prophetess
in the Old Testament and
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in the New Testament.
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But that's different
than the roles of a pastor.
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You don't ever see in the Bible
a woman performing, you know,
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a baptism or Communion.
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So these were kind of sacred
functions that were reserved
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for the men, the apostles,
the priests and so forth.
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So I do have a book
on that and it's called,
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"Women in Ministry."
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We'll send you a free
copy, Lynn, if you'd like that.
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Alden: You know, the struggle
that we have with this is that
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men are not stepping up to
the plate, doing their role
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right now.
00:21:07.36\00:21:08.66
Doug: So the vacuum
is being filled by false
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theology, really.
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Alden: Yeah, and that's
what Satan wants altogether.
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So once again, the book is
called, "God's Role for Women
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in Ministry," and we'll be
glad to send that to you if you
00:21:18.67\00:21:20.81
call 1-800-835-6747.
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And our next caller is Marcus
from California and he's got
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a question in regards
to the blood atonement.
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You there, Marcus?
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Marcus: Yes, my question,
it--and it came to me as I was
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reading the book
of Matthew last week.
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Christ, He bore our
iniquities and our infirmities,
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our sicknesses.
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Now, the blood of Christ--did
his Atonement--did the blood
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of Christ atone for all of the
sicknesses and diseases and the
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healings that He did prior to
shedding His blood on the cross?
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Was it retroactive, per se?
00:22:01.45\00:22:03.55
Doug: Well, every good and
perfect gift comes from God,
00:22:03.59\00:22:06.65
so even the healings
before the cross is by the grace
00:22:06.69\00:22:09.72
and the power of God.
00:22:09.76\00:22:12.16
You know, you can read in
Psalm 103 where it says that
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"He heals all of our diseases."
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And that's, of
course, in the Old Testament.
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So God miraculously
heals in the Old Testament.
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Hezekiah had a terminal disease.
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As a matter of fact,
Isaiah told him it was terminal.
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And when he prayed, by the grace
of God and all the goodness
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that's come to us, Old and New
Testament is through the blood
00:22:31.38\00:22:33.62
of Christ, Hezekiah was healed.
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God can do it
miraculously, instantly.
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Who was it?
00:22:38.72\00:22:40.02
Miriam had
leprosy, God healed her.
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Naaman had
leprosy, God healed him.
00:22:42.12\00:22:45.19
And you know, Naaman, he
was washing in the Jordan River.
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That's sort of like
synonymous with baptism.
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But the water didn't heal him.
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It was the power of God.
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So I don't know.
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Hopefully, Marcus, am
I answering your question
00:22:55.10\00:22:57.27
that you're asking?
00:22:57.31\00:22:59.51
Marcus: Well, the question is
pretty much Christ died on the
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cross and He embodied sin.
00:23:03.11\00:23:05.45
He embodied--God's
wrath was poured out on Him.
00:23:05.48\00:23:09.32
Now, in order to be healed
from a sickness and healed
00:23:09.35\00:23:12.55
from a disease,
somebody had to pay for that.
00:23:12.59\00:23:15.66
I mean, I'm thinking.
00:23:15.69\00:23:17.73
So when Christ says He bore our
infirmities and every disease
00:23:17.76\00:23:21.96
and sickness that we have, He
died for that, in order for us
00:23:22.00\00:23:26.40
to be healed, if
that makes any sense.
00:23:26.43\00:23:28.64
Doug: It does, and
let's just put it another way.
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The people in the Old Testament
who are saved are not saved by
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their works.
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They are saved by faith, looking
forward to the sacrifice that
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would be made, hasn't been
made yet, but they were saved
00:23:39.68\00:23:42.98
by faith, looking forward.
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We're saved by faith,
looking back at the sacrifice
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and the blood.
00:23:47.69\00:23:48.99
So everybody saved or healed
is all by the grace of God
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and through the sacrifice
and Atonement of Christ.
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So, hopefully that makes sense.
00:23:55.86\00:23:58.07
And you know, we do have a book
that talks about the the blood
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of Christ.
00:24:02.94\00:24:04.24
We've got, of course,
that book that deals with,
00:24:04.27\00:24:05.61
"Does God's Grace
Blot Out the Law?"
00:24:05.64\00:24:07.18
And it talks
about the Atonement.
00:24:07.21\00:24:08.54
I was trying to think
we had another one and--
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Alden: I don't
remember that one.
00:24:11.11\00:24:12.45
Doug: Yeah, anyway.
00:24:12.48\00:24:13.78
"Does God's Grace
Blot Out the Law?"
00:24:13.82\00:24:15.15
That'll work.
00:24:15.18\00:24:16.48
Alden: If you just tuned in
and you've got some questions
00:24:16.52\00:24:18.12
yourself, you can feel free
to call us at 1-800-GOD-SAYS
00:24:18.15\00:24:21.46
or 1-800-463-7297.
00:24:21.49\00:24:25.23
And we've got Ruth calling
from California and she's got
00:24:25.26\00:24:28.06
a question about how do
you actually say something nice
00:24:28.10\00:24:31.53
to explain to somebody that
their loved one's not in heaven?
00:24:31.57\00:24:36.04
You there, Ruth?
00:24:36.07\00:24:37.61
Ruth: Hi, yes.
00:24:37.64\00:24:38.97
Hello, Pastor
Bachelor and Pastor Ho.
00:24:39.01\00:24:41.24
Thank you for
taking my question.
00:24:41.28\00:24:43.11
So I had a recent loss in
the family in May, and a lot
00:24:43.14\00:24:48.42
of people, well-meaning
folk, come up to me and say,
00:24:48.45\00:24:51.12
"Oh, you know, she's in
heaven and she's watching you,"
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and all the niceties.
00:24:56.32\00:24:57.89
And I understand they're
well-meaning, but I believe
00:24:57.93\00:25:00.63
what the Bible says
about the state of the dead.
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But--then they come back at
me and they say, "Oh, she's--
00:25:02.86\00:25:06.43
was absent in the body
but present in the Lord."
00:25:06.47\00:25:08.50
So how do you
concisely but truthfully share
00:25:08.54\00:25:11.74
that she isn't there?
00:25:11.77\00:25:13.21
Doug: Well, you know, I
try to remind people that
00:25:13.24\00:25:16.61
all the church cemeteries
used to say "RIP," which means
00:25:16.64\00:25:20.08
"Rest In Peace,"
and they were resting.
00:25:20.12\00:25:22.72
Folks used to know that.
00:25:22.75\00:25:24.12
And so when they say "absent
from the body, present with
00:25:24.15\00:25:26.42
the Lord," I say,
well, that's absolutely true.
00:25:26.45\00:25:28.56
When a believer dies,
their next conscious thought
00:25:28.59\00:25:33.09
is the resurrection.
00:25:33.13\00:25:34.73
But that may not
happen for 1000 years.
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So for them, you can rejoice and
say, "I'm so thankful the next
00:25:37.53\00:25:41.00
thing they'll know is the
resurrection in the presence
00:25:41.04\00:25:43.84
of the Lord."
00:25:43.87\00:25:45.17
But the
resurrection hasn't happened.
00:25:45.21\00:25:46.78
It's really easy to show that.
00:25:46.81\00:25:48.14
I mean, you just look in John
chapter 6, three times he says
00:25:48.18\00:25:51.08
they're
resurrected the last day.
00:25:51.11\00:25:52.91
Its future hasn't happened.
00:25:52.95\00:25:54.62
So, yeah.
00:25:54.65\00:25:56.42
And you read in Thessalonians
the dead in Christ will rise
00:25:56.45\00:26:00.26
at the Second Coming.
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Sometimes, you know, in passing,
when someone's trying to comfort
00:26:01.69\00:26:04.53
you, you don't have time for
a Bible study and you can just,
00:26:04.56\00:26:07.66
you know, say, "Oh,
well, thank you so much.
00:26:07.73\00:26:09.70
And yeah, we look forward
to seeing them in heaven,"
00:26:09.73\00:26:11.93
you know.
00:26:11.97\00:26:13.27
So it's--a lot of it is the
timing, and how well you know
00:26:13.30\00:26:15.14
the person, and are they ready
for, you know, an on the spot
00:26:15.17\00:26:18.11
Bible study?
00:26:18.14\00:26:19.44
But yeah, there's a lot of
misconceptions out there in
00:26:19.47\00:26:22.21
the world and all different
variations of what happens.
00:26:22.24\00:26:26.05
Some people think you're
reincarnated and you come back
00:26:26.08\00:26:28.65
as something else, and others
think you go right to heaven
00:26:28.68\00:26:31.42
before a judgment,
before a resurrection.
00:26:31.45\00:26:33.49
So a lot of misunderstandings.
00:26:33.52\00:26:35.39
Biblically, it's really
clear: people sleep in the grave
00:26:35.42\00:26:39.46
until the resurrection.
00:26:39.49\00:26:41.03
And the Bible says when
that trumpet sounds the dead
00:26:41.06\00:26:43.40
in Christ will rise.
00:26:43.43\00:26:44.73
They are not disembodied
spirits that are floating around
00:26:44.77\00:26:47.37
in limbo or Abraham's bosom.
00:26:47.40\00:26:49.67
Bible doesn't teach that.
00:26:49.70\00:26:51.34
Their next conscious
thought is the resurrection.
00:26:51.37\00:26:53.78
It's like the Bible says
in Acts, "King David is dead
00:26:53.81\00:26:56.61
and buried, his tomb
is with us to this day."
00:26:56.64\00:26:59.15
He's not ascended in heaven.
00:26:59.18\00:27:01.65
But David died 1000
years before Christ.
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His next conscious thought
will be the resurrection.
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Alden: And I am Pastor Alden Ho.
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Doug: See, I didn't
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Doug: All right, who's next?
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Alden: Well, we
have Kelly in Washington.
00:31:48.87\00:31:51.17
Kelly's got a
question in regards to 1 Kings.
00:31:51.21\00:31:54.51
Welcome to the program, Kelly.
00:31:54.54\00:31:57.15
Kelly: Hi, thanks
for taking my call.
00:31:57.18\00:31:59.48
So I'm studying--reading the
Bible from cover to cover and
00:31:59.51\00:32:03.69
I'm kind of stuck in 1 Kings 13.
00:32:03.72\00:32:07.16
Thereabouts, verses
starting at 18 through about 32,
00:32:07.19\00:32:12.39
it's a long story that
I think-- like a novel.
00:32:12.43\00:32:16.67
I'm confused.
00:32:16.70\00:32:18.00
There's an older prophet
and then a young prophet.
00:32:18.03\00:32:20.50
Young prophet's
been sent by God.
00:32:20.54\00:32:22.20
He wasn't supposed to eat
or drink anything and stop
00:32:22.24\00:32:25.04
at anybody's house, but he does
stop at the older--and the older
00:32:25.07\00:32:28.61
prophet tricks him, lies to him,
says, "Come on over to my"--"
00:32:28.64\00:32:31.61
Oh, you know."
00:32:31.65\00:32:32.98
"Yeah, but I'm a
prophet and it's okay."
00:32:33.01\00:32:34.75
Of course, this causes the young
prophet's demise, as he's eaten
00:32:34.78\00:32:38.45
by a lion on the way back
and returning from his trip.
00:32:38.49\00:32:43.19
But then the older prophet wants
to go get his body and give him
00:32:43.22\00:32:47.73
a proper burial.
00:32:47.76\00:32:49.03
It makes no sense to me
that somebody who is part of the
00:32:49.06\00:32:52.50
demise and fall of sin of
another person wants--what
00:32:52.53\00:32:56.57
is--what's going on here?
00:32:56.60\00:32:58.87
Doug: I know that--it is, you
know, the Bible--one reason I
00:32:58.91\00:33:02.18
love the Bible is that it tells
us stories that you would think,
00:33:02.21\00:33:06.82
well, that doesn't
really make anybody look good,
00:33:06.85\00:33:09.12
but it's history.
00:33:09.15\00:33:10.69
What do they say?
00:33:10.72\00:33:12.02
The truth is more
bizarre than fiction.
00:33:12.05\00:33:13.49
And this is a true story.
00:33:13.52\00:33:15.56
Just--I'll quickly
review what Kelly was sharing.
00:33:15.59\00:33:18.86
Is that God sent a prophet, we
never know what his name is, and
00:33:18.89\00:33:24.07
he is to rebuke Jeroboam the son
of Nebat because he had turned
00:33:24.10\00:33:28.10
the Northern
Kingdom to idolatry.
00:33:28.14\00:33:31.07
And God's power is obviously
with this young prophet.
00:33:31.11\00:33:34.94
The altar is split in two, and
the king's hand is paralyzed,
00:33:34.98\00:33:37.91
and then he prays
and the king is healed.
00:33:37.95\00:33:40.02
And on his way home, word
is spread about this event,
00:33:40.05\00:33:46.19
and an old prophet sends his
sons and--or the old prophet, I
00:33:46.22\00:33:49.96
think, accosts the man and says,
"Come home and have some bite."
00:33:49.99\00:33:54.13
He says, "No, God's told me
I'm not supposed to eat bread
00:33:54.20\00:33:56.16
or drink water in this place.
00:33:56.20\00:33:57.53
There's a curse on it because
I've turned to idolatry."
00:33:57.57\00:33:59.63
He said, "Well, but I'm a
prophet also and God told me
00:33:59.67\00:34:01.87
you're supposed to come home."
00:34:01.90\00:34:03.20
Well, this man is being tested.
00:34:03.24\00:34:06.47
The old prophet lied to him, and
you might think, well, I thought
00:34:06.51\00:34:09.71
prophets always told the truth.
00:34:09.74\00:34:11.21
No, Balaam was a prophet
who-- he kind of went bad.
00:34:11.25\00:34:15.92
And so this prophet, he says,
thinking that God is with this
00:34:15.95\00:34:18.59
young man, "I want him--I
want to spend time with him.
00:34:18.62\00:34:21.06
I want to pick his brain and
find out what the Lord's been
00:34:21.09\00:34:23.06
telling him."
00:34:23.09\00:34:24.43
And so he lies and says,
"You can come to my house."
00:34:24.46\00:34:26.90
And then in the midst of their
eating, the Spirit of the Lord
00:34:26.93\00:34:30.30
comes on the old prophet and
says, "Oh, you shouldn't have
00:34:30.33\00:34:31.93
done this."
00:34:31.97\00:34:33.27
He says, "Now a lion's going
to eat you when you leave."
00:34:33.30\00:34:35.97
And the man is killed by a lion.
00:34:36.00\00:34:37.51
And the old prophet says,
"He was certainly a man of God,
00:34:37.54\00:34:40.78
and what he prophesied
is going to come true."
00:34:40.81\00:34:43.04
Now, that--the prophet that
died, that's killed by a lion,
00:34:43.08\00:34:45.61
was a true prophet, and I expect
to see him in heaven, but he was
00:34:45.65\00:34:50.09
kind of tricked and he disobeyed
God's--you know, when you hear
00:34:50.12\00:34:53.29
the Word of the Lord from the
Lord, don't take someone else's
00:34:53.32\00:34:55.66
word that something's different
because the devil will always
00:34:55.69\00:34:58.89
try to, like, trip
you up and twist the Word.
00:34:58.93\00:35:01.90
And his prophecy that Josiah,
a king would be born by name,
00:35:01.93\00:35:07.44
this is one of the most amazing
prophecies--and to see the full
00:35:07.47\00:35:11.51
fulfillment, Kelly, of what
you're reading, you almost have
00:35:11.54\00:35:14.68
to go to the end of Chronicles
where it talks about King Josiah
00:35:14.71\00:35:17.51
who fulfills what this young
king--young prophet foretold.
00:35:17.55\00:35:22.42
And it actually mentions the
graves of the young prophet and
00:35:22.45\00:35:25.85
the old prophet in 2 Chronicles.
00:35:25.89\00:35:28.69
So, it's just an amazing story
that spans hundreds of years,
00:35:28.72\00:35:32.43
but it does seem to
have a bizarre beginning.
00:35:32.46\00:35:34.83
It's--I probably need to do
a whole sermon on that someday.
00:35:34.86\00:35:37.17
It's a very interesting story.
00:35:37.20\00:35:38.97
All right, I don't know if that
was a meandering answer or not.
00:35:39.00\00:35:41.64
Alden: Well, we
got a few more minutes.
00:35:41.67\00:35:43.00
I mean, we're
still in the program.
00:35:43.04\00:35:44.34
So if you're listening and just
tuning in, give us a call at
00:35:44.37\00:35:46.94
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00:35:46.98\00:35:53.31
We've got Olga in California,
first time she's calling,
00:35:53.35\00:35:56.62
and she's got a
question about Revelation.
00:35:56.65\00:35:58.55
Who's the bride?
00:35:58.59\00:36:00.86
Olga: I am here, Pastors.
00:36:00.89\00:36:02.19
Good evening to both of you.
00:36:02.22\00:36:03.83
Pastor Batchelor and Pastor Ho.
00:36:03.86\00:36:08.23
Doug: Yeah, and thanks.
00:36:08.26\00:36:09.60
And your question tonight.
00:36:09.63\00:36:10.87
Olga: Pastor, my question is in
regards to the bride, or slash,
00:36:10.90\00:36:14.44
wife of Jesus.
00:36:14.47\00:36:16.10
Well, because I'm looking at
Revelations 21, verse 9 and 10,
00:36:16.14\00:36:21.51
and I have some other verses
relevant to this issue, and the
00:36:21.54\00:36:25.05
only reason why I'm asking about
it is because this gentleman
00:36:25.08\00:36:28.78
that I met at work, I'm not
going to disclose the church
00:36:28.82\00:36:32.52
where he's from, but supposedly
this is what they use to hook
00:36:32.55\00:36:36.96
people in to bring
them to the church.
00:36:36.99\00:36:39.79
And every day he comes to--after
every weekend he comes bragging
00:36:39.83\00:36:42.86
about how many people
they brought into the church.
00:36:42.90\00:36:45.30
Anyways, enough of that.
00:36:45.33\00:36:47.97
He keeps insisting that Jesus
has an actual bride, slash,
00:36:48.00\00:36:53.78
wife in heaven.
00:36:53.81\00:36:55.28
And I told him, I said, "No,
the bride--we are the bride.
00:36:55.31\00:36:58.81
The church is the
bride of Jesus Christ, which,
00:36:58.85\00:37:01.35
we are the church."
00:37:01.38\00:37:03.05
And he showed me some
other verses, you know, that are
00:37:03.08\00:37:06.96
supposed to be relevant to this,
and I have them written down,
00:37:06.99\00:37:10.03
but I read those verses and I
read--and I also read the book
00:37:10.06\00:37:13.96
you guys--that you all
have in the Amazing Facts book--
00:37:14.00\00:37:20.10
Doug: In our bookstore,
our study guides, yeah.
00:37:20.14\00:37:22.97
Olga: Yes, and I
didn't find anything to what
00:37:23.00\00:37:26.14
he's telling me.
00:37:26.17\00:37:27.51
And so, it's been bugging me and
I was like, I need more verses
00:37:27.54\00:37:30.45
to find out--to prove to
him that we are the bride,
00:37:30.48\00:37:35.05
we are the wife.
00:37:35.08\00:37:37.02
Doug: Well, let
me give you a couple.
00:37:37.05\00:37:39.12
There's actually
dozens of them in the Bible.
00:37:39.15\00:37:42.09
So when it says in Revelation,
just for our friends listening,
00:37:42.12\00:37:44.79
Revelation 21 it says,
"Now I saw the new heaven
00:37:44.83\00:37:48.13
and the new earth, for the
first heaven and the first earth
00:37:48.16\00:37:50.70
were passed away.
00:37:50.73\00:37:52.27
And there was no more sea.
00:37:52.30\00:37:53.60
Then I, John, saw the holy city,
the New Jerusalem, coming down
00:37:53.64\00:37:56.40
out of heaven from God, as
a bride prepared, or adorned,
00:37:56.44\00:38:00.98
for her husband."
00:38:01.01\00:38:02.31
It says "as," so the New
Jerusalem is God's people.
00:38:02.34\00:38:06.15
Jesus is not married to any kind
of a physical literal bride.
00:38:06.18\00:38:10.59
There's some people that
try to, you know, minimize it.
00:38:10.62\00:38:13.89
Let me give you
a couple of verses.
00:38:13.92\00:38:15.42
Isaiah 54, verse 5, it says,
"For your Maker, your husband,
00:38:15.46\00:38:20.93
the Lord of hosts is His name."
00:38:20.96\00:38:22.30
Now, this is a
message to Israel.
00:38:22.33\00:38:24.83
And you can look
in 2 Corinthians:
00:38:24.87\00:38:26.74
"For I'm jealous for
you with godly jealousy.
00:38:26.77\00:38:28.87
For I have betrothed you
to one husband, that I might
00:38:28.90\00:38:32.81
present you as a
chaste virgin to Christ."
00:38:32.84\00:38:35.58
That, again, is
2 Corinthians 11:2.
00:38:35.61\00:38:37.58
Paul is talking about the church
is being betrothed to Christ.
00:38:37.61\00:38:41.55
Ephesians says, "Husbands,
love your wives as Christ
00:38:41.58\00:38:44.62
loved the church."
00:38:44.65\00:38:46.35
And he wants to
present a spotless church.
00:38:46.39\00:38:48.89
And there's many, many verses.
00:38:48.92\00:38:50.46
The whole book of Hosea is
talking about how the church
00:38:50.49\00:38:53.36
has wandered from God and
played the harlot, and He wants
00:38:53.40\00:38:55.90
to bring her back again.
00:38:55.93\00:38:57.60
So, the idea of it being
a literal woman or wife or
00:38:57.63\00:39:02.50
something like that, that's not
taught anywhere in the Bible.
00:39:02.54\00:39:05.47
That's a distortion.
00:39:05.51\00:39:07.34
Alden: Yeah, and many
people will tell you all kinds
00:39:07.38\00:39:09.91
of stuff,
especially in these Last Days.
00:39:09.94\00:39:12.41
Doug: Yeah, well, you know,
I will tell one quick little
00:39:12.45\00:39:15.12
anecdote here.
00:39:15.15\00:39:16.45
I was preaching in Waco, Texas,
a long time ago and I came out
00:39:16.48\00:39:21.19
of the church there and, lo and
behold, some Branch Davidians
00:39:21.22\00:39:24.69
met the people at the door.
00:39:24.73\00:39:26.46
And the thing that they
wanted to tell us is that
00:39:26.49\00:39:30.17
the Holy Spirit was a
woman and that Jesus is married
00:39:30.20\00:39:33.34
to the Holy Spirit.
00:39:33.37\00:39:34.70
So, I thought this was really
strange and I don't know if
00:39:34.74\00:39:37.91
what this sister's running into
is the same thing, but it sounds
00:39:37.94\00:39:41.68
a little cultish to me.
00:39:41.71\00:39:43.28
Alden: Basically, anything you
want to hear nowadays you can
00:39:43.31\00:39:45.58
find whatever
you want to find, so.
00:39:45.61\00:39:47.62
All right,
well, thank you, Olga.
00:39:47.65\00:39:48.98
We have Connie in Arizona and
Connie's got some questions here
00:39:49.02\00:39:52.62
in regards to the Second Coming.
00:39:52.65\00:39:54.56
Are you there, Connie?
00:39:54.59\00:39:56.93
Connie: Yes, I am.
00:39:56.96\00:39:58.29
Thank you very much.
00:39:58.33\00:39:59.63
Good evening to you both.
00:39:59.66\00:40:00.96
Doug: Evening, hello.
00:40:01.00\00:40:02.30
Connie: Yes, hi.
00:40:02.33\00:40:03.67
Okay, my question, both,
actually has to do with heaven.
00:40:03.70\00:40:07.94
And this would be, the
saints that already have gone to
00:40:07.97\00:40:12.24
heaven, where--like Moses
and Abraham and others, what are
00:40:12.27\00:40:16.18
they doing for all these
hundreds of years in heaven?
00:40:16.21\00:40:19.71
And the second question is
about the new heaven and earth.
00:40:19.75\00:40:23.69
Will everyone in the new
heaven and earth be adults?
00:40:23.72\00:40:27.56
Because many babies and many
young children will be risen
00:40:27.59\00:40:31.86
with all the saints.
00:40:31.89\00:40:33.33
Will they grow up, or is
there anything in the Bible
00:40:33.36\00:40:36.73
about that?
00:40:36.77\00:40:38.07
Thank you.
00:40:38.10\00:40:39.43
Doug: Oh, good.
00:40:39.47\00:40:40.70
If it's okay, I'm going to start
with your second question first.
00:40:40.74\00:40:42.74
And if you look for instance
in, oh, let me see here, Malachi
00:40:42.77\00:40:46.71
chapter 4, it says that,
speaking of the new heaven and
00:40:46.74\00:40:51.85
the new earth, says, "But to
you who fear My name, shall the
00:40:51.88\00:40:55.18
Sun of Righteousness
arise With healing in His wings;
00:40:55.22\00:40:58.55
And you shall go out And
grow up like cows of the stall."
00:40:58.59\00:41:04.63
So there are children in heaven,
you can read in--by the way,
00:41:04.66\00:41:08.00
that was Malachi 4, verse
2, and you read in Isaiah 11,
00:41:08.03\00:41:12.63
it talks about that "the
children will play on the hole
00:41:12.67\00:41:15.70
of the venomous serpent
and they will not be harmed."
00:41:15.74\00:41:18.24
And so there are
definitely children in heaven.
00:41:18.27\00:41:21.48
I think it's--is it Zephaniah
where it says, "And children
00:41:21.51\00:41:26.01
will play in the streets"?
00:41:26.05\00:41:28.05
So you've got an image
that there are some who are
00:41:28.08\00:41:30.95
resurrected as children
and they grow up in heaven.
00:41:30.99\00:41:33.99
Now, I think they're
going to grow more slowly.
00:41:34.02\00:41:36.29
You look in Genesis and it
seems like they didn't even get
00:41:36.32\00:41:38.86
married till they were 100.
00:41:38.89\00:41:40.20
They grew more slowly.
00:41:40.23\00:41:41.66
That's why it says in Isaiah
65, is it, that a child will die
00:41:41.70\00:41:46.77
100 years.
00:41:46.80\00:41:48.10
And that actually means they
won't even cease to be a child
00:41:48.14\00:41:49.84
until they're 100.
00:41:49.87\00:41:51.37
So that's the first part.
00:41:51.41\00:41:52.77
The second part, you're
asking about what is Abraham and
00:41:52.81\00:41:55.21
all the saints
doing during this time.
00:41:55.24\00:41:57.18
Well, most of the people
who have died from the time of
00:41:57.21\00:42:00.98
Creation to the present, they
are sleeping a dreamless sleep
00:42:01.02\00:42:05.02
in the graves.
00:42:05.05\00:42:06.39
There's no
consciousness of time.
00:42:06.42\00:42:07.72
For them, their next conscious
thought is the resurrection.
00:42:07.76\00:42:10.33
But they're resting.
00:42:10.36\00:42:11.76
And just like when you've had
a hard day's work and you sleep
00:42:11.79\00:42:15.50
and all of a sudden you wake up,
it's morning, and you don't know
00:42:15.53\00:42:17.57
where the six hours went, that's
what it's going to be for them.
00:42:17.60\00:42:21.00
It says they awake.
00:42:21.04\00:42:23.30
Jesus says, "My friend Lazarus
is asleep and I go to wake him."
00:42:23.34\00:42:26.74
And He said Lazarus is dead.
00:42:26.78\00:42:28.64
So Jesus called death a sleep.
00:42:28.68\00:42:31.61
When Lazarus woke up after being
dead for four days, he didn't
00:42:31.65\00:42:34.98
make any comment on his
experience in death because
00:42:35.02\00:42:38.49
it was an unconscious sleep.
00:42:38.52\00:42:40.49
Anyway--and we could send
that lesson that we talked
00:42:40.52\00:42:44.39
about earlier.
00:42:44.43\00:42:45.73
"Are the Dead Really Dead?"
00:42:45.76\00:42:47.10
And how does a person get that?
00:42:47.13\00:42:48.40
Alden: Well, and I was also
thinking there's another one
00:42:48.43\00:42:49.80
called,
"Heaven: Is It For Real?"
00:42:49.83\00:42:51.43
Doug: Oh, perfect.
00:42:51.47\00:42:52.77
Alden: That's a good
one, too, and you can get that
00:42:52.80\00:42:54.24
if you call 1-800-835-6747.
00:42:54.27\00:42:57.64
And we'll be glad to send
that to you if you're in Canada,
00:42:57.67\00:43:00.08
United States, or
the US territories.
00:43:00.11\00:43:03.01
And if you're international,
sorry, we can't have that,
00:43:03.04\00:43:05.78
but we might have a
digital download if you call in
00:43:05.81\00:43:08.28
or write in for us.
00:43:08.32\00:43:10.09
And before I forget, if you have
questions and you want to email
00:43:10.12\00:43:14.39
them after our
hours, you can email them
00:43:14.42\00:43:16.79
to
BALquestions@amazingfacts.org.
00:43:16.83\00:43:20.40
Let's try Brenda in Texas
and she's a first time caller
00:43:20.43\00:43:23.83
and she's got a question in
regards to Christian's voting.
00:43:23.87\00:43:26.07
Brenda, are you there?
00:43:26.10\00:43:27.40
Brenda: Good evening,
Pastor Batchelor and Pastor Ho.
00:43:27.44\00:43:29.47
How are you?
00:43:29.50\00:43:30.81
Doug: Doing great.
00:43:30.84\00:43:32.17
Thanks for calling.
00:43:32.21\00:43:33.51
Brenda: I have a question.
00:43:33.54\00:43:34.88
Should we as Christians vote,
or what obligation, if any,
00:43:34.91\00:43:39.41
do we have?
00:43:39.45\00:43:40.98
Doug: Yeah, well, if--and
you know, you may be talking
00:43:41.02\00:43:44.29
about different countries, I'm
assuming you're talking about
00:43:44.32\00:43:46.09
America, and in the United
States we have a government
00:43:46.12\00:43:51.16
that is governed by the
people, and that's believers
00:43:51.19\00:43:54.20
and unbelievers.
00:43:54.23\00:43:55.56
If only unbelievers
are voting, then, you know,
00:43:55.60\00:43:57.40
woe be the country.
00:43:57.43\00:43:59.10
And so, by all means, the idea
of voting comes from the Bible.
00:43:59.13\00:44:05.44
You can even see, you
know, in the Bible, sometimes
00:44:05.47\00:44:08.11
they would choose out
people from among them.
00:44:08.14\00:44:11.18
And when our Founding Fathers
that were mostly Christians,
00:44:11.21\00:44:15.98
they said, you know, "We need a
government that is chosen by the
00:44:16.02\00:44:18.05
people," they were hoping that,
you know, people, especially
00:44:18.09\00:44:23.06
believers, would get involved in
selecting leaders and policies
00:44:23.09\00:44:27.76
that would be just, reasonable,
and protect the freedom
00:44:27.76\00:44:33.70
of the
proclamation of the gospel.
00:44:33.74\00:44:35.74
So I think
Christians should vote.
00:44:35.77\00:44:37.97
I know sometimes you
look at what the options are
00:44:38.01\00:44:40.21
and it can be discouraging.
00:44:40.24\00:44:42.04
But, you know, as far
as possible, first of all,
00:44:42.08\00:44:44.48
don't do anything
that you can't do by faith.
00:44:44.51\00:44:46.75
So if you don't have
faith or you feel uncomfortable,
00:44:46.78\00:44:49.68
Paul says, well, don't.
00:44:49.72\00:44:51.22
If it's not of faith, it's sin.
00:44:51.25\00:44:52.55
You know, otherwise, I think
you ought to consider what the
00:44:52.59\00:44:55.26
issues are and always vote for
the thing that is going to do
00:44:55.29\00:45:00.16
the most to protect and preserve
the principles of Christ.
00:45:00.20\00:45:04.03
Alden: You have a pocketbook you
just wrote on that, and I just
00:45:04.07\00:45:06.87
finished reading this last week.
00:45:06.90\00:45:08.20
Doug: Actually, I think I wrote
it about three or four years
00:45:08.24\00:45:10.27
ago, but it's called,
"Should a Christian Vote?"
00:45:10.31\00:45:12.04
Alden: And I just read that,
and if you'd like to get that--
00:45:12.07\00:45:14.48
Doug: Did that make sense?
00:45:14.51\00:45:15.81
You like it?
00:45:15.84\00:45:17.18
Alden: It was good.
00:45:17.21\00:45:18.51
It was very informative because
I thought, hey, you know,
00:45:18.55\00:45:19.85
I can't vote being a
Canadian, but I want to know
00:45:19.88\00:45:21.32
what's going on with all this.
00:45:21.35\00:45:23.39
And if you'd like to
get that, give us a call at
00:45:23.42\00:45:25.35
1-800-835-6747, and we'll
be glad to send you that book,
00:45:25.39\00:45:30.56
called, "Should
a Christian Vote?"
00:45:30.59\00:45:32.06
We have Virginia in California
and she's got a question
00:45:32.09\00:45:35.03
about Mark.
00:45:35.06\00:45:36.67
Are you there?
00:45:36.70\00:45:38.00
Virginia: Yes, Pastors.
00:45:38.03\00:45:39.33
I actually wanted to ask
about the question on Mark 3:17
00:45:39.37\00:45:44.41
about--it says, "But woe
to those who are pregnant and
00:45:44.44\00:45:51.21
to those who are nurses--nursing
babies in those days."
00:45:51.25\00:45:54.88
What does that mean, Pastor?
00:45:54.92\00:45:56.69
Doug: Okay, you're
talking about Mark 13, verse 17.
00:45:56.72\00:46:01.02
Virginia: Mark 13.
00:46:01.06\00:46:02.36
Yes, I'm so sorry.
00:46:02.39\00:46:03.73
Mark 13:17.
00:46:03.76\00:46:05.06
Doug: Well, Jesus is describing
a time that historians know
00:46:05.09\00:46:07.83
about it when about 40
years after the Crucifixion,
00:46:07.86\00:46:12.53
the Romans came in 70 AD
and they besieged Jerusalem.
00:46:12.57\00:46:17.24
And it was a great time of
trouble that fell upon the city.
00:46:17.27\00:46:21.61
And it--actually, at one point
they even turned to cannibalism.
00:46:21.64\00:46:26.55
And so it was especially hard
on women with children to feed.
00:46:26.58\00:46:30.92
And Christ was saying that--see,
at the beginning of Mark 13 the
00:46:30.95\00:46:35.69
disciples are saying, "When will
the destruction of Jerusalem be?
00:46:35.72\00:46:39.06
What is the sign of Your
coming in the end of the world?"
00:46:39.09\00:46:41.40
Because He said there'll be a
time when there isn't one stone
00:46:41.43\00:46:43.63
left upon another at the temple.
00:46:43.67\00:46:45.33
So He's talking about the
destruction of Jerusalem there.
00:46:45.37\00:46:48.20
So, this was going to be a time
of special trial for the people
00:46:48.24\00:46:53.41
that were listening
to Him at that time.
00:46:53.44\00:46:55.78
Now, there's also another time
of trouble immediately before
00:46:55.81\00:46:58.58
the Second Coming when, again,
it's going to be very hard
00:46:58.61\00:47:01.62
for families.
00:47:01.65\00:47:03.99
And that's why Jesus said,
"Pray that your flight is not
00:47:04.02\00:47:06.12
in the winter or on the Sabbath
Day because there will be great
00:47:06.15\00:47:09.39
tribulation, great distress
of nations, men's hearts failing
00:47:09.42\00:47:12.43
for fear."
00:47:12.46\00:47:13.70
And Christ talks about a time
of trouble such as there never
00:47:13.73\00:47:16.60
has been, or ever
will be, immediately prior
00:47:16.63\00:47:19.60
to the Second Coming.
00:47:19.63\00:47:20.97
So, yeah, He's just saying,
when you see that time coming--
00:47:21.00\00:47:25.24
but I think this verse in
particular--in Mark He's talking
00:47:25.27\00:47:27.54
more to the people that would
be living before the destruction
00:47:27.58\00:47:31.48
of Jerusalem.
00:47:31.51\00:47:32.81
Alden: All right,
thank you so much.
00:47:32.85\00:47:34.28
We've got Ethan in Texas and
he's got a really good question
00:47:34.32\00:47:37.99
in regards to the Sabbath.
00:47:38.02\00:47:39.49
Ethan, are you there?
00:47:39.52\00:47:41.82
Ethan: Hi, what's going on?
00:47:41.86\00:47:43.19
Alden: Hi.
00:47:43.22\00:47:45.76
Ethan: Yeah, so my question
was, I'm one of--I am a small
00:47:45.79\00:47:48.86
business owner.
00:47:48.90\00:47:50.20
I own a company.
00:47:50.23\00:47:51.57
I've been working on my company
for a few years before I really
00:47:51.60\00:47:53.80
discovered what the Sabbath
was and what my obligations are.
00:47:53.84\00:47:58.31
My main issue is, my company
is a--it's a weekend company.
00:47:58.34\00:48:03.04
So, all of our business goes on,
like, Friday to Sunday, and I've
00:48:03.08\00:48:08.22
been working on it for a few
years to bring it to fruition.
00:48:08.25\00:48:10.32
And just as it's about to,
you know, become profitable,
00:48:10.35\00:48:13.12
and I'm you know, I'm doing
this to take care of my family,
00:48:13.15\00:48:15.19
is right when I
discovered my obligations.
00:48:15.22\00:48:17.76
So I'm trying to
wonder how should I handle it.
00:48:17.79\00:48:22.66
And then, also, where
do my responsibilities end?
00:48:22.70\00:48:24.93
Because, I'm not the only
one in the company, you know,
00:48:24.97\00:48:26.43
there are others working in it.
00:48:26.47\00:48:28.07
Doug: Yeah,
that's a great question.
00:48:28.10\00:48:30.24
Well, let me give you a
couple of things to think about.
00:48:30.27\00:48:32.74
In the Sabbath
command it mentions the phrase
00:48:32.77\00:48:35.81
"within your gates."
00:48:35.84\00:48:37.18
Now, that phrase "within your
gates" means within your realm
00:48:37.21\00:48:40.48
of authority.
00:48:40.52\00:48:41.85
Let's see, let me
give you an example.
00:48:41.88\00:48:43.79
Let's suppose that I own a
business and it's, you know,
00:48:43.82\00:48:47.69
doing something on Sabbath, and
I own it with two other guys.
00:48:47.72\00:48:51.46
And--or you, maybe, you own
stock in a company where you own
00:48:51.49\00:48:54.36
1/1000 of the business, but you
don't own controlling interest.
00:48:54.36\00:48:58.60
I can't be responsible
for, you know, if I own stock
00:48:58.63\00:49:02.50
in Trader Joe's,
I don't even know
00:49:02.54\00:49:03.87
if they have stock, if I
own stock in Trader Joe's
00:49:03.91\00:49:07.21
and I learn the Sabbath
truth and I say, "Look, you guys
00:49:07.24\00:49:09.18
have to all close
down on Saturday,"
00:49:09.21\00:49:10.75
well, I can't
really ask them to do that.
00:49:10.78\00:49:12.48
I don't own
controlling interests.
00:49:12.51\00:49:14.45
You see what I'm saying?
00:49:14.48\00:49:15.78
But if I have controlling
interest in a company and
00:49:15.82\00:49:18.15
I learned the Sabbath truth,
then I'm going to have to sell
00:49:18.19\00:49:21.92
my company to someone
feels differently, or I'm going
00:49:21.96\00:49:24.33
to have to close it.
00:49:24.36\00:49:25.59
And--but I can't knowingly say,
"Well, I have the power to make
00:49:25.63\00:49:30.33
a decision or make a change, but
I'm not going to make the change
00:49:30.37\00:49:32.67
because I might be tested.
00:49:32.70\00:49:35.34
It might be difficult, and
doesn't God want me to feed
00:49:35.37\00:49:37.71
my family?"
00:49:37.74\00:49:39.04
You know, when it comes
to obeying the commandment,
00:49:39.07\00:49:41.88
you just remember what Shadrach,
Meshach, and Abednego did.
00:49:41.91\00:49:46.21
The king said, "When I tell you,
you bow down, worship my idol,
00:49:46.25\00:49:50.85
when you hear the music."
00:49:50.89\00:49:52.12
Well, they were going to lose
their jobs if they didn't obey
00:49:52.15\00:49:55.06
the king and they were
going to lose their lives.
00:49:55.09\00:49:57.16
So they could have argued
and said, "Well, you know,
00:49:57.19\00:49:59.06
it's going to be hard on our
families if we don't bow down."
00:49:59.09\00:50:01.73
But they said, "Look, it's God's
command, and even if we die,
00:50:01.76\00:50:04.30
we're not going to disobey."
00:50:04.33\00:50:06.27
That's real courage, that's real
faith, and God blessed them.
00:50:06.30\00:50:10.21
And so, God sometimes does
His biggest miracles when we are
00:50:10.24\00:50:13.81
facing the biggest test.
00:50:13.84\00:50:15.64
What or how you're to deal
with that, Ethan, I don't know.
00:50:15.68\00:50:19.65
We'll be praying for you
that God gives you both wisdom
00:50:19.68\00:50:22.05
and courage, but you'll
never be sorry if you stand up
00:50:22.08\00:50:25.39
for your convictions.
00:50:25.42\00:50:26.76
Now, if you only own,
like, 1/3 of the company,
00:50:26.79\00:50:28.76
but you may eventually
want to sell out your third,
00:50:28.79\00:50:30.73
but you can't really
tell them what to do.
00:50:30.76\00:50:33.63
Hopefully, that makes sense.
00:50:33.66\00:50:35.00
Alden: Sabbath questions
always a very--struggle.
00:50:35.03\00:50:38.33
I went through that, too, when
I worked in the business world.
00:50:38.37\00:50:41.37
And when I stood up for
it, God blessed immensely.
00:50:41.40\00:50:45.84
And so we--that's part of
our testing that we go through,
00:50:45.87\00:50:49.08
each and every one of us.
00:50:49.11\00:50:50.95
Tiwana, she's in Virginia
and she's got a question about
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Communion and the sick people.
00:50:54.82\00:50:56.75
Tiwana, are you there?
00:50:56.79\00:50:59.02
Tiwana: Yes, I am.
00:50:59.05\00:51:00.42
Can you hear me?
00:51:00.46\00:51:01.79
Alden: Sure can, yeah.
00:51:01.82\00:51:03.12
Go ahead with your question.
00:51:03.16\00:51:04.46
Tiwana: Awesome.
00:51:04.49\00:51:05.79
First of all, and I know
you strapped on time, but I have
00:51:05.83\00:51:07.50
to say this: Pastor Doug, and
I don't know the other pastor's
00:51:07.56\00:51:10.63
name, you don't know
how you changed my life.
00:51:10.67\00:51:13.07
It was 3 o'clock in the morning,
and I thank God for you every
00:51:13.10\00:51:17.81
single day and Amazing Facts
because the truth with the Bible
00:51:17.84\00:51:23.24
is amazing.
00:51:23.28\00:51:24.88
And I tell everybody I'm a
member of Granite Bay, but I'm
00:51:24.91\00:51:27.65
not yet because I have to
finish the Bible study courses.
00:51:27.68\00:51:30.39
But I just wanted you to know
that, that I tell everybody.
00:51:30.42\00:51:34.62
It's all--it was only because
the God sent you in my life, and
00:51:34.66\00:51:38.89
I thank God for you every single
day, and I can't wait to meet
00:51:38.93\00:51:41.46
you in person, your wife, and
everyone at Granite Bay because
00:51:41.50\00:51:44.90
I am going to become a member.
00:51:44.93\00:51:46.30
So, you're stuck with me.
00:51:46.33\00:51:47.74
But my question is
about taking Communion.
00:51:47.77\00:51:55.64
My family, not Seventh-day
Adventist, I'm actually the only
00:51:55.68\00:51:58.95
one, and you can imagine what
I'm going through with that.
00:51:58.98\00:52:03.05
Every time someone gets sick,
whether it's on their death bed
00:52:03.08\00:52:06.49
or they got a common cold, they
say, "Take the Holy Communion,"
00:52:06.52\00:52:09.49
because the Holy
Communion, Christ died
00:52:09.52\00:52:12.33
for our transgressions.
00:52:12.36\00:52:14.73
And I know Isaiah 53:5, I just
pulled it up really quickly,
00:52:14.73\00:52:19.53
and I know James
5:14, verses 14 through 16.
00:52:19.57\00:52:24.21
But I keep telling her that He
died for our spiritual healing.
00:52:24.24\00:52:30.95
And--because what's happening,
and I don't know how to ask the
00:52:30.98\00:52:34.35
question, but what's happening
is, they get sick, they start
00:52:34.38\00:52:38.02
just taking the Holy Communion,
and then they feel sick.
00:52:38.05\00:52:42.56
Doug: So they're almost feeling
like the purpose of Communion
00:52:42.59\00:52:45.59
is that there's some kind
of magical properties in it
00:52:45.63\00:52:47.66
that's supposed to heal them.
00:52:47.66\00:52:49.80
Well, let me tell you, there
is a place where Paul, and maybe
00:52:49.83\00:52:54.87
Pastor Ho can look that up,
but there is a place where Paul
00:52:54.90\00:52:57.57
talks about that some, this
is in 2 Corinthians, he says,
00:52:57.61\00:53:02.24
"Some are taking it unworthily
and that's why some are sick
00:53:02.28\00:53:04.65
among you."
00:53:04.68\00:53:05.98
Paul doesn't say that
taking Communion heals you.
00:53:06.01\00:53:09.12
He does say that some
people were taking Communion in
00:53:09.15\00:53:11.42
the wrong spirit and they
were actually physically sick
00:53:11.45\00:53:13.59
because they were abusing it.
00:53:13.62\00:53:15.46
So there's a difference there.
00:53:15.49\00:53:17.13
Nowhere does Jesus intimate
that taking Communion is going
00:53:17.16\00:53:20.93
to heal you.
00:53:20.96\00:53:22.23
In fact, after Jesus took
Communion, He was crucified.
00:53:22.26\00:53:24.60
So, it's not magical
properties of physical healing.
00:53:24.63\00:53:28.00
Now, there may be some
people who've experienced that
00:53:28.04\00:53:30.67
by faith, and I
don't want to deny that.
00:53:30.71\00:53:33.24
There's power in renewing it.
00:53:33.27\00:53:34.81
But really, Communion is
about accepting the sacrifice
00:53:34.84\00:53:37.85
of Christ and His forgiveness,
and it's renewing that covenant
00:53:37.88\00:53:42.35
of believing in His blood.
00:53:42.38\00:53:44.69
Alden: Yeah, we found--it's
in 1 Corinthians chapter 11
00:53:44.72\00:53:48.66
and it says: "Therefore whoever
eats this bread or drinks
00:53:48.69\00:53:51.63
this cup of the Lord in an
unworthy manner will be guilty
00:53:51.66\00:53:55.13
of the body and
blood of the Lord."
00:53:55.16\00:53:56.80
And in verse 29 it
says, again, the same thing,
00:53:56.83\00:53:59.77
the very same words.
00:53:59.80\00:54:01.44
So, it's something we have
to be--it's a very sacred thing,
00:54:01.47\00:54:04.57
so we have to be
very careful with that.
00:54:04.61\00:54:06.24
That we don't abuse it.
00:54:06.27\00:54:07.81
It's not like some magic wand.
00:54:07.84\00:54:09.81
Doug: And you--when people
wonder how often do you do
00:54:09.84\00:54:11.88
Communion, there's only really
two time scales in the Bible.
00:54:11.91\00:54:16.79
Some things were annual
feasts, some things were weekly.
00:54:16.82\00:54:21.82
You know, there's probably
nothing wrong with the churches
00:54:21.86\00:54:23.86
that celebrate Communion,
you know, some do it monthly.
00:54:23.89\00:54:26.73
I've been to some churches,
every week they have Communion.
00:54:26.76\00:54:28.83
I think that's too much.
00:54:28.86\00:54:30.27
But some churches do it--
Methodists do it quarterly.
00:54:30.30\00:54:34.40
I think our church
adopted it from the Methodists.
00:54:34.44\00:54:36.71
But the idea of doing it every
time you get sick, I don't know
00:54:36.74\00:54:40.31
if that's the reason for it.
00:54:40.34\00:54:42.81
So, hopefully that
helps a little bit.
00:54:42.84\00:54:45.25
You know, Pastor Ho, I'm
thinking that we're--looks like
00:54:45.28\00:54:48.12
we're narrowing down where
if we take another question,
00:54:48.15\00:54:51.05
it's going to insult somebody.
00:54:51.09\00:54:52.79
If we did not get to
your question tonight,
00:54:52.82\00:54:55.22
give us another chance.
00:54:55.26\00:54:56.93
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00:55:02.06\00:55:04.87
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Alden: Well, welcome back.
00:55:26.49\00:55:27.79
We've got a question here.
00:55:27.82\00:55:29.16
Roger's asking in
these rapid-fire questions,
00:55:29.19\00:55:31.46
"Pastor Batchelor"--said,
"The book of Jude quotes
00:55:31.49\00:55:36.13
from the book of Enoch,
but Enoch is not scripture.
00:55:36.16\00:55:38.57
Why does Jude quote
from what is not scripture
00:55:38.60\00:55:40.47
and put it in scripture?"
00:55:40.50\00:55:42.94
Doug: Yeah, great question.
00:55:42.97\00:55:44.81
In the book of Jude, which is
an inspired book of the Bible,
00:55:44.84\00:55:48.71
he quotes from a
passage from the book of Enoch.
00:55:48.74\00:55:50.65
The book of Enoch
was not written by Enoch.
00:55:50.68\00:55:52.75
Of course, Enoch lived before
the Flood, so that would have
00:55:52.78\00:55:54.88
meant that Enoch gave
it to Noah, who gave it
00:55:54.92\00:55:56.95
to who knows who, and it
just kept getting passed down.
00:55:56.99\00:55:59.62
The book of Enoch was written
during the Babylonian Captivity.
00:55:59.65\00:56:02.52
It doesn't appear anywhere in
Hebrew literature before that,
00:56:02.56\00:56:05.86
and it was a devout Jew
who wrote out some passages.
00:56:05.89\00:56:10.63
Well, Jude recognized that there
were some things that he wrote
00:56:10.67\00:56:14.64
that were prophetic, that
were true, and so he took that
00:56:14.67\00:56:18.07
and--it's true of many things
that while the whole book may
00:56:18.11\00:56:22.08
not be inspired, there could
be some inspired statements.
00:56:22.11\00:56:24.88
You know, how many people
have quoted Ben Franklin where
00:56:24.91\00:56:27.12
he said that--what is it?
00:56:27.15\00:56:29.15
"Waste not, want not," and
"Early to bed, early to rise
00:56:29.18\00:56:32.02
makes you healthy,
wealthy, and wise."
00:56:32.05\00:56:33.36
There's a lot of proverbs of
Ben Franklin that were really
00:56:33.39\00:56:35.46
inspired, but
he's not a prophet.
00:56:35.49\00:56:37.53
So you'd be surprised how
many people quote Ben Franklin.
00:56:37.56\00:56:41.26
I think it's in
the Bible somewhere.
00:56:41.30\00:56:43.03
But--so, even Paul does it.
00:56:43.06\00:56:44.90
Paul quotes from a Greek poet
and he says what the poet said
00:56:44.93\00:56:48.57
in this one passage is true.
00:56:48.60\00:56:51.31
So Bible prophets might take
truth that they read somewhere
00:56:51.34\00:56:54.98
else and quote it.
00:56:55.01\00:56:56.88
So, yeah,
hopefully that makes sense.
00:56:56.91\00:56:58.81
But the book of Enoch is
just part of Hebrew literature.
00:56:58.85\00:57:01.58
There's that one
passage quoted by Jude that is,
00:57:01.62\00:57:04.92
therefore, inspired.
00:57:04.95\00:57:06.25
Alden: All right, one more.
00:57:06.29\00:57:07.59
Chris asks, "When Jesus cleanses
the sanctuary for the final
00:57:07.62\00:57:10.43
time, how are the saint--sins
transferred to the devil?
00:57:10.46\00:57:13.33
The earthly
sanctuary used a scapegoat.
00:57:13.36\00:57:15.26
What will this process look like
for the heavenly sanctuary?"
00:57:15.30\00:57:18.87
Doug: Yeah, the--it's
talking about the final service
00:57:18.90\00:57:22.07
in Leviticus 16
about the Day of Atonement
00:57:22.10\00:57:24.77
when they had two goats.
00:57:24.81\00:57:26.81
One was the Lord's goat,
one was called the scapegoat.
00:57:26.84\00:57:29.11
The Lord's goat is sacrificed
and the blood cleanses--
00:57:29.14\00:57:31.88
the scapegoat is not sacrificed.
00:57:31.91\00:57:33.62
It bears the ultimate
guilt of the people away
00:57:33.65\00:57:37.45
and was carried into a foreign
land and forever separated.
00:57:37.49\00:57:40.36
That is
believed to be the devil.
00:57:40.39\00:57:42.66
And in the very end, the
ultimate one who is responsible
00:57:42.69\00:57:46.46
for the origin of sin is Satan,
he is going to be cast into
00:57:46.49\00:57:50.07
the lake of fire and he's
going to receive the punishment
00:57:50.10\00:57:54.20
for his deeds at that time.
00:57:54.24\00:57:55.74
And then, ultimately, it says
in Ezekiel, "Never will you be
00:57:55.77\00:57:59.61
any more."
00:57:59.64\00:58:01.04
He'll be forever
separated from God's people.
00:58:01.08\00:58:02.54
No more sinner sinners.
00:58:02.58\00:58:03.95
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