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Would you like to
hear an amazing fact?
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In 1846, San Francisco was
a small sleepy settlement with
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about 200 residents.
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But then the discovery of gold
in the northern California Hills
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in 1848 triggered one of the
greatest migrations in history.
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By 1852, San Francisco became
a booming city of about 36,000,
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filled with makeshift tent
houses, hotels, stores, saloons,
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gambling halls, and
yes, even some churches.
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By 1875, approximately one
quarter of California's entire
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population resided
in the city proper.
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Sadly, only about one out of
five people that embarked on the
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gold rush died within two years
and less than one in 100 found
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enough gold to make the
grueling trip worthwhile.
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The Bible says there is actually
a city paved with gold that is
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definitely worth the pilgrimage.
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What do you think, Pastor Ross?
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Jëan Ross: You know, it's
interesting, whenever you go to
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do a little research on the gold
rush, there's so many stories,
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people went through so
much trials to get here.
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They brought their families,
they came with the wagon loads
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and faced attacks by
the American Indians.
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They ran in terrible weather
crossing the mountains, and yet
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just that drive for
gold just kept them going.
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It is sad, as you mentioned,
that the vast majority of the
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people didn't strike Bonanza.
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Really, the ones who made a
lot of money were the ones who
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supplied the mining.
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Doug: The merchants.
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Jëan: With tents and gear.
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So there were some that scored.
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Everyone's looking for the gold.
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Doug: Yeah, absolutely.
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You know, I heard one little
side story connected with a gold
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rush that the ships that were
coming in bringing the 49ers
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that would either come from
Australia or go around South
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America and they were coming up,
all the sailors jumped ship and
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the captains could not
get crews to sail away.
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And you can see some of the
very old pictures of the San
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Francisco bay filled with
abandoned sailing ships because
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they just couldn't
get people to sail away.
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They all wanted to come in.
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And so it's just a
remarkable time in history.
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But you know, the Bible tells
us that there is gold that we
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should be driving for.
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It's of course the
gold of God's love.
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Jesus said, "Buy of me
gold refined in the fire."
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But you read in Hebrews
11, verse 8, "By faith Abraham
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obeyed when he was called to go
out to the place which he would
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receive as an inheritance.
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And he went out, not
knowing where he was going.
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By faith he dwelt in the land of
promise as in a foreign country,
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dwelling in tents with Isaac and
Jacob, the heirs with him of the
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same promise, for he waited for
the city that has foundations
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whose builder and maker is God."
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And then it describes that city,
Pastor Ross, in Revelation 21,
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verse 18.
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"The construction of its walls
was of Jasper; and the city was
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pure gold, like glass.
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And the foundations of the wall
of the city were adorned in all
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kinds of precious stones."
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And then it describes
these different stones.
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You go to verse 21, "The
twelve gates were twelve pearls.
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Each individual gate was one
pearl and the street of the city
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was pure gold,
like transparent glass."
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And so there is a city of
gold that's worth us making a
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pilgrimage to.
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Jëan: And you know, we do have
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All right, well, before we go
to the first caller, let's start
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with a word of prayer.
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Dear Father, we thank you once
again that we're all here, able
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to study your Word and we ask
your blessing upon this program.
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Be with those who are listening
wherever they might be.
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And as we always ask, Lord,
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And so we ask the Holy Spirit to
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And we ask this in
Jesus's name, amen.
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Doug: Amen.
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Jëan: First caller this evening,
we've got Brittany listening
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in California.
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Brittany, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
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Brittany: Yeah, my question is,
how is a Christian supposed to
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deal with certain political
regulations that are completely
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against the Bible
presented by the government?
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Doug: Mm, okay, good question.
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Well, it's not the first
time in history that's happened.
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You can look in the Bible, of
course, when the government told
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the mothers in Egypt
to kill their baby boys.
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Well, Jochebed said, I can't
do that and she put Moses in
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a basket.
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And then the government, you
know, they told Daniel that he
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should not pray to anyone but
the king and he had to stand up
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for his faith or, I should
say, kneel down for his faith.
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And then in Daniel 3,
you got something similar.
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King of Babylon is telling 'em
the government laws, to bow down
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and worshiped, and the
disciples, many of them died
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because they would not
follow the laws of Rome
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that said to worship Caesar.
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Now, we should always obey
the laws of the land as long as
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they're not in direct
conflict with the laws of God.
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And so as far as possible,
Christians should be the very
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best citizens.
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But if there's ever a political
law or principle that violates a
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biblical principle, we always
stand, you know, with God and
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his Word first.
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So I hope that helps a
little, but great question.
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Jëan: All right, next
caller that we have is James
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listening in Tennessee.
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James, you're on
"Bible Answers Live."
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James: Thank you, Pastor Ross,
and thank you, Pastor Doug.
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Y'all have helped me so much
with the three angels message
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and it's just been a blessing.
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But yeah, my question today is 2
Thessalonians chapter 2, verse 4
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and starting with verse 10, it
says, "And with all of them who
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deceive and for unrighteousness
in them they perish and for this
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cause God will send them a
strong delusion, so they will
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believe a lie."
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And it's saying God for
this cause will send them a
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strong delusion so
they'll believe a lie.
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Who is God referring to?
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And if every good gift comes
from God and everything is good,
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good, good, why would he send
his people a strong delusion so
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they will believe a lie.
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Doug: Yeah,
that's a great question.
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And when you read this verse
just on the surface, it sounds
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like why, you know,
everything is true--
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God is truth.
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Why would God send a lie?
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It's similar to that place
in the Bible where a prophet is
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describing a dream.
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And he said, "And God said,
I will be a lying spirit in the
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mouth of his prophets."
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That's Micaiah talking
to Ahab and Jehoshaphat.
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And basically what it's saying
there is when they reject truth,
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Ahab rejected the truth, then
light when rejected, darkness
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comes in.
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And if you read the rest of
this verse here, going back to 2
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Thessalonians, it says that "For
this reason God will send them
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strong delusion, that they
should believe a lie, that they
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might have be condemned
who did not believe the truth."
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So what's left
if you reject truth?
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The only thing
you got left is a lie.
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And so it's basically saying
they've rejected the light.
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And so God is
allowing them to believe a lie.
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God doesn't want
anyone to be lost.
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And there's a verse I think
in Hosea chapter 4, Pastor Ross,
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verse 6 where it kind of says
the same thing that if we reject
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the knowledge.
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Jëan: Yeah, Hosea chapter
4 verse 6, "My people are
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destroyed for lack of knowledge.
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Because you have rejected
knowledge, I will reject you
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from being priest for me;
because you have forgotten the
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law of your God, I will
also forget your children."
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It's talking about the
judgment that comes upon Israel.
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Doug: So it's not that they're
being punished 'cause they don't
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know, it's because
they're rejecting truth.
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They're rejecting light.
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The only alternative is
the vacuum is then filled
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with darkness.
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And so God doesn't send it.
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It just comes consequentially.
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Jëan: You might say God allows
it because He withdraws truth,
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like you said,
it's only error left.
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Thank you, James. Good question.
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Next caller that we have
is Allen also listening in
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California. Allen, you
on "Bible Answers Live."
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Allen: Good
evening. Doug: Evening.
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Allen: Thank you
for taking my call.
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I'm calling from
Bakersfield, California.
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My question is, it's the first
part of Daniel 9:26 says, "And
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after sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off ."
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That's the New King James
Version, "But not for Himself."
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So that's pretty
self-explanatory.
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Jesus died for us.
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But then every other translation
says, "Messiah shall be cut off
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and have nothing."
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But how can those two
things mean the same thing?
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Doug: Well, you're talking about
two translations and they sound
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different like--by the way,
the King James and the New King
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James are very similar.
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It says, "But not for Himself."
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Christ, He did not--He was not
cut off for his sin, He was cut
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off for our sin.
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And so I think that the King
James, New King James, which you
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know, many scholars except,
I think it's more accurate, but
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either way, with either
translation, it's basically
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saying that Christ is not cut
off for His sin, He's cut off
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for ours.
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Jëan: And you know, I think they
there are four ways in which
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that phrase has been translated
because of the original language
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there it can go.
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It's very similar.
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The one is the one that
you mentioned in the King James
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where it says and-- "but not for
Himself," but literally means
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"and nothing to Him."
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And some translate that as
"there will be no help for Him"
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or "no help with Him."
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Others translate it as, "And He
shall not be," meaning that He
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shall perish, "but not
for Himself" is also a meaning
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connected with that phrase.
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So depending upon which
translation you go with, there's
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some slight variations there.
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But I think the point is
still clear when the Messiah is
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cut off.
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Doug: And even, you know, if the
Messiah is cut off and it says,
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"and shall have nothing,"
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they took everything from Him,
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so you can't
argue with that either.
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But the point that I think is so
incredible, it says that He'll
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cause the sacrifice to cease.
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And when Jesus was cut off,
the veil was rent in the temple,
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bringing to an end
the sacrificial system.
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Jëan: You know, we have a study
got called "Right on Time" that
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deals with Daniel chapter 9
and gets into the various time
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prophecies that you have.
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It's very
interesting. It's a great study.
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We'll be happy to send this
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Next caller that we
have is Joan in Australia.
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Joan, welcome to the program.
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Joan: Hi, thank
you for taking my call.
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How are you?
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Doug: Doing good.
Thank you for calling.
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Joan: I hope you can
understand my question.
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It's kind of a little bit--but
it's I'm just trying to get a
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picture of Job 1, verse 6 when,
I understand, when there was the
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sons of God.
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My question is, are they the
council or are they the sons of
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God that write
the books of life?
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And is it just Old Testament and
it doesn't happen anymore where
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Satan had access
to go along with them.
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Doug: There's a little bit of
mystery around the sons of God
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and who they are.
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I think there are places in
the Bible where it speaks of the
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angels as the sons of God.
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It's also talking here in Job,
I think it's talking about maybe
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the, you know, this is heavenly
meeting, but it's not in heaven,
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a celestial meeting where God
is there and Satan comes from
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the earth.
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So it's not on earth.
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The sons of God
there are some kind of
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representatives of other worlds.
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Now, the reason we say that
is because one of the titles for
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Adam who was the leader of
this world, he's called the son
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of God.
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You look in the genealogy
of Jesus in the book of Luke
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chapter 3.
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And it says, "And Enosh
was the son of Seth, who
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was the son of Adam,
who was the son of God.
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Adam was not born, he was
created to be the leader of
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this world.
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Now God, you know, no doubt
has intelligent beings that are
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leaders of other worlds and
describes the 24 elders around
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his throne in Revelation.
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Some have wondered
is this who they are.
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1 John chapter 3 says, "Behold,
what manner of love the Father
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has bestowed on us, that we
should be called sons of God."
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And Isaiah says that we are sons
and daughters of God, believers.
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Christ said that the wicked,
they are sons of their father,
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the devil.
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So the term sons of God,
it floats a little bit in its
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definition in the Bible.
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Jëan: I think in the immediate
context in Job, though, it
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appears as though these
sons of God would be the
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representatives of other worlds.
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Hebrews speaks about God created
the worlds, and he uses plural,
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and it appears that Satan came
to this gathering claiming to be
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the representative of the earth.
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And it's interesting
that God allowed him, and
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God said, "Where
did you come from?"
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He said, "Oh, from walking up
and down on the earth" claiming
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that as his kingdom.
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And then God said, "Well,
there's someone in your kingdom
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that really
belongs in My kingdom."
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And that's where the story
of Job is--you read on and tells
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you the story of his experience.
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So I think we can say that
these sons of God would be the
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representatives of other worlds
and, very possibly, they could
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also be the 24 elders
that you read about in the book
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of Revelation.
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And also I believe
in the Old Testament.
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It refers to God ruling
before his elders gloriously,
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which is the same idea.
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You know, we do have a book,
Pastor Doug, it's called "Who
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are the Sons of God?"
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and it deals with the subject
and we'll be happy to send this
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to anyone who calls and asks,
the number is 800-835-6747.
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That is our free
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Thank you, Joan.
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Thanks for calling all
the way from Australia.
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We've got Steve in Missouri.
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Steve, welcome to the program.
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Steve: Yeah,
Pastor Doug, Pastor Ross.
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I listen to your show pretty
regular, and just yesterday, as
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a matter of
fact, it was recording.
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But a man called in and said,
"When Jesus comes back, how
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could every eye see
Him if the earth is round?"
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Well, a lot of times we're just
not smart enough to figure out
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what God is capable of doing.
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First of all, the Holy Spirit
can be everywhere at once.
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We can't understand that.
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Okay, but I'm gonna say, when
Jesus comes back, he's not gonna
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be over there in China and China
is gonna call us and say, "Hey,
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the Lord's here.
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He'll be there in a little bit."
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Now I'm gonna go through about
four verses and see what you
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think, okay?
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Doug: All right, let's hear it.
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Steve: All right, I'm gonna
start out with Revelation 6,
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verse 14, "And the
heavens departed as a scroll."
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A scroll rolls out.
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Okay, rolls out like a "scroll
when it is rolled together and
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every mountain and island
were moved out of their places."
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Now I'm gonna jump over to
Revelation 16, verse 20, "And
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every island fled away, and
the mountains were not found."
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So things are really happening.
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And now I'm gonna go to Isaiah
40, verse 4, "Every valley shall
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be exalted and every mountain
and hill shall be made low: and
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the crooked shall be
made straight, and the rough
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places plain."
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Okay, now I'm gonna
stay in Isaiah 13:13.
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That's where I'm gonna go now.
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Okay, 13:13.
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"Therefore I will shake the
heavens, and earth shall remove
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out of her place, and then the
wrath of the Lord's hosts, and
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in the day of his fierce anger."
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So that's definitely when
he's coming back is when that's
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gonna happen.
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Now, I'm gonna
go to Isaiah 24:19.
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Doug: Okay, we gotta wrap this
up pretty quick 'cause we wanna
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get to the question.
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Steve: Okay, this
is the last one 24:19.
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"The earth is utterly broken
down, earth is clean dissolved
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and the earth is
moved exceedingly."
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So it sounds to me like this
earth's gonna roll out like a
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scroll where everybody
could seem at one time.
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Doug: Oh, I see
what you're saying.
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Yeah, well, there's now question
that the earth is gonna go
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through tremendous turmoil, but
I don't think you need to bend
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over backwards to try to
destroy the earth and make this
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verse fit.
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When it says every eye will see
Him, it means on the day of the
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Lord, every eye will see Him.
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Every eye of everybody alive, as
Christ goes around the world and
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it says we are caught up
to meet the Lord in the air,
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it says he's
coming from the east.
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I'm just understanding the same
way that the earth rotates and
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He's gonna sweep around
this circle of the earth.
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Everyone will see Him that day.
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Doesn't mean the same moment
as He comes, the dead in Christ
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will rise.
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They're caught up to meet Him.
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We're transformed, we're caught
up to meet them, and then He
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takes us back to glory.
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He says, I'll take you
to the places, the mansions
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I've prepared.
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So, you know, no question that
the earth is gonna be in great
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turmoil, but I don't know that
the earth is gonna disintegrate
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so that everybody sees
Him at the same moment.
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Anyway, that'll be, I just wanna
be ready however that happens.
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Jëan: You know, we do have a
book talking about the Second
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Coming of Christ.
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It's called "Anything But
Secret" and it talks about these
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verses and some of
the events connected
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with the Second
Coming of Christ.
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We'll be happy to send
it to anyone who calls and
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asks 800-835-6747.
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Ask for the book
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Next caller that we have is Lee,
listening in North Carolina.
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Lee, welcome to Bible Answers.
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You are on the air.
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Lee: Oh, hi.
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Thank you for taking my call.
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My question, please, is the role
of the Holy Spirit in heaven.
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Like, I know that Jesus comes
back to get us and brings us to
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the Father.
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So I also have read about
the Holy Spirit being taken away
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slowly from the earth.
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Maybe during the tribulation.
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I was just wondering when it's
all said and done and we're all
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in heaven, what's
the role of the Holy
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Spirit and how did He get there?
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Thank you.
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Doug: Yeah, good question.
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Well, you know, Jesus said,
"It's expedient that I go, and
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if I go, I will send the
Comforter, the Holy Spirit,
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and He will be with you."
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And then Christ, when He tells
us "I'm with you wherever you
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go" in Matthew chapter 28.
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Well, how is God with us?
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God is with us
through God the Spirit.
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Jesus said, you know, "He will
take of My Father and give it
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to you."
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And so even in heaven, we will
have God's Spirit and presence
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with us all through the cosmos
wherever we might roam through
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God the Spirit.
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And so communication with
God wherever we are is probably
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gonna transpire through the
Spirit 'cause I do believe that
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God has a place in time that
He sits enthroned, there is a
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center to his
kingdom somewhere, a capital.
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Says He Himself
will dwell with us.
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We will see His face.
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But as we go to worlds unknown
and we travel or anywhere in
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the world.
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If we're building our mansions
and country homes, God's still
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with us through His Spirit.
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So I think the work of
the Spirit's gonna be still
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very real.
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It'll be different in that it's
not there convicting us of sin
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because there's no sin then, but
it will still have the peace in
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the presence of the Spirit.
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Jëan: All right, next caller
that we have is Taiwan listening
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from Alabama.
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Taiwan: Hello, hey, pastors.
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I just wanted to ask in Hebrews
4:5 and again in this place,
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they "shall not enter My rest."
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I wanted to see if that's
the Sabbath he was referring to.
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Doug: No, in a word.
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In Hebrews, he's talking about,
you know, the rest that we have
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through salvation in Christ.
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The children of
Israel looked upon
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the Promised Land as the rest.
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Instead of wandering,
and even as they first
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entered, they had to
fight the Canaanites.
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Finally, when they were all
subdued, they could go to their
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homes and plant their vineyards,
and they called that entering
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their rest.
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So it's compared to
the Sabbath in Hebrews 4.
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But it's--Hebrews here, the
writer we believe is Paul, he's
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talking about Joshua in the
Old Testament bringing them into
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rest, how David was speaking
in the Psalms of the rest
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that we have in the Lord.
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And the Sabbath is
a symbol of that rest.
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But he's really
talking about Jesus.
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Said--when he
says, "I swore in My
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wrath, they will
not enter My rest."
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The people that didn't believe
in the wilderness did not make
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it to the Promised Land.
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They lost faith.
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And again, then he quotes,
"They shall not enter My rest."
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Again, he's quoting from
verse 3 in the same passage.
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So, hope that
makes a little sense.
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But he uses the Sabbath here
in sort of a symbolic sense.
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He does say "There remains
therefore a Sabbath for the
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people of God."
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And I think that's talking
about, of course, there is a
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Sabbath day, but there's
also a Sabbath rest that we have
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in Christ.
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Jëan: All right, thank you.
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Next call that we have
is Lee listening in Texas.
00:22:51.57\00:22:53.30
Lee, welcome to the program.
00:22:53.34\00:22:54.97
Lee: Yes, thank you
for taking my call tonight.
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I have a question that's been on
my mind for many, many years now
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and hopefully I can finally
get some--finally get the answer
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to it.
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My question is Jesus always said
that He and the Father are one.
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So everything that God knows
that He would know as well.
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So if that's the case, why did
Jesus say that He didn't know
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the date and time of His return
when He's supposed to know?
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I mean, He knows
everything that God knows.
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Did He lie about that or He just
couldn't say anything about it?
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Doug: No, I think that
when Christ spoke of His Second
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Coming, He made that statement
that the angels don't know, but
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the Father only.
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Christ on earth had
divested Himself of a lot of His
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supernatural knowledge.
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And when Jesus was on
earth, He did not know.
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And think about it for a moment.
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If He did know a date, how would
He tell the disciples that he
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was coming in, you know, 2050.
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I'm just making that up.
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They didn't even
keep time like that.
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It would have
made no sense to them.
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They didn't understand
that calendar we use today.
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So I think Christ said, look,
you know, here now on earth, I
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don't know, but you can
be certain that Christ now
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glorified at the
right hand of the Father.
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God the Father is not holding
an envelope like people at some
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awards ceremony and saying
I can't tell you when you're
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supposed to come
back, it's a secret.
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No, Jesus is omniscient.
00:24:19.95\00:24:21.59
He knows everything now.
00:24:21.62\00:24:23.22
But when he was a human on
earth, He laid aside a lot of
00:24:23.26\00:24:26.03
His divinity.
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So yes, I'm quite
sure Jesus knows now.
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Hey, you know, Pastor Ross,
we're gonna take a break and
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don't go anywhere.
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Charlie Green: My
life was in turmoil.
00:24:58.59\00:25:01.03
My wife and I were
fighting all the time.
00:25:01.06\00:25:03.16
I got away from
everything and everybody.
00:25:03.20\00:25:05.87
I don't know, it just--I always
had this emptiness in my heart.
00:25:05.90\00:25:09.30
I don't want it filled.
00:25:09.34\00:25:10.74
I just felt like I went
my whole life, you know,
00:25:10.77\00:25:13.07
just searching for something
00:25:13.11\00:25:14.41
And my father died,
and that ruined me a lot.
00:25:14.44\00:25:18.65
My father didn't believe in
suicide, and I didn't want to
00:25:18.68\00:25:22.12
live, but rather than disrespect
him, I decided I would just
00:25:22.15\00:25:25.79
become so mean that someone else
would do it to me and I wouldn't
00:25:25.82\00:25:28.29
have to.
00:25:28.32\00:25:29.62
So I joined the army thinking
what better place to get killed
00:25:29.66\00:25:32.06
than in the army.
00:25:32.09\00:25:33.43
And while I was in the
army, my daughter got injured.
00:25:33.46\00:25:35.86
She was in an accident and
she was blind and paraplegic.
00:25:35.90\00:25:41.60
And it's just like
I felt the whole world
00:25:41.64\00:25:44.14
was coming down on me.
00:25:44.17\00:25:45.47
And one morning I just really
got mad and I gave God a cussing
00:25:45.51\00:25:49.58
like you wouldn't believe.
00:25:49.61\00:25:51.11
I said, I'm not
Moses, not Abraham.
00:25:51.15\00:25:54.18
You know, I don't--but I put
my sandals on just like they do.
00:25:54.22\00:25:58.09
And I'm a man.
00:25:58.12\00:25:59.45
I don't wanna know why
this is happening to me.
00:25:59.49\00:26:01.42
I just wanna know that
it's happening for a reason.
00:26:01.46\00:26:04.36
If you tell me right now that
this is all for a reason, then
00:26:04.39\00:26:07.50
you can stack it on me from here
to the end of time and I will
00:26:07.50\00:26:11.57
never complain again.
00:26:11.60\00:26:14.34
And that little TV came on.
00:26:14.37\00:26:16.74
It had been sitting there just
static all night long, and there
00:26:16.77\00:26:20.21
is this minister when he pops up
and he says today's lessons from
00:26:20.24\00:26:23.91
the book of Job.
00:26:23.95\00:26:25.25
God only lets those
suffer that he loves the most.
00:26:25.28\00:26:28.05
And I said, "Well, that's
all you have to say, Lord.
00:26:28.08\00:26:29.52
I appreciate it."
00:26:29.55\00:26:30.85
From that day forward, I knew
that he was there and he was in
00:26:30.89\00:26:33.82
my life and that
he would help me.
00:26:33.86\00:26:37.43
I went to prison just
almost immediately after that.
00:26:37.46\00:26:41.36
I was in prison
for aggravated assault.
00:26:41.40\00:26:43.57
I was in one of the
worst prisons in the state
00:26:43.60\00:26:46.10
of Tennessee.
00:26:46.13\00:26:47.47
It was full of gang activity.
00:26:47.50\00:26:49.14
I got my throat
cut, 52 stitches.
00:26:49.17\00:26:52.84
My neck, I could take those
fingers and stick them all the
00:26:52.87\00:26:54.94
way through out my mouth.
00:26:54.98\00:26:56.34
I'd gone to the library that day
because it was really about the
00:26:56.38\00:27:00.22
only thing to do.
00:27:00.25\00:27:01.55
But I ran
across this little book
00:27:01.58\00:27:03.22
called "The Richest Caveman."
00:27:03.25\00:27:04.55
This book is
hilarious, but it is great.
00:27:04.59\00:27:08.66
I'm sitting there
with this big beard.
00:27:08.69\00:27:10.26
I'm thinking, hey, I know
what it's like, look like a
00:27:10.29\00:27:12.13
caveman.
00:27:12.16\00:27:13.46
But I'm not an educated
person, I guess you'd say.
00:27:13.50\00:27:16.46
But I'm a simple guy.
00:27:16.50\00:27:18.13
I'm just really a simple guy.
00:27:18.17\00:27:19.47
And that's what I loved about
Doug Batchelor because this guy
00:27:19.50\00:27:24.07
is just straight
out as you can get.
00:27:24.11\00:27:27.01
And my wife and I, we've kept
contact through all these years
00:27:27.04\00:27:31.08
and so much has gone on.
00:27:31.11\00:27:35.42
And I told her, I said, "Listen,
now, this is the center of my
00:27:35.45\00:27:39.82
world right now."
00:27:39.85\00:27:41.09
And I said, "I really want you
to be involved in it with me.
00:27:41.12\00:27:44.36
I need it."
00:27:44.39\00:27:45.73
And I said, "You will too if
you ever just take hold of it."
00:27:45.76\00:27:48.53
I told my wife, I said, "Listen,
they've got this Amazing Facts
00:27:48.56\00:27:51.33
Bible study going here.
00:27:51.37\00:27:53.34
And this is the best way
for you to get this information.
00:27:53.37\00:27:56.57
And I think, except because it's
broken down and they give you
00:27:56.60\00:28:02.18
questions and to make you
look for these things, you know.
00:28:02.21\00:28:08.05
So it's not anyone telling you,
you find it on your own and they
00:28:08.08\00:28:11.75
teach you to
actually use the Bible.
00:28:11.79\00:28:14.19
She was there faithfully every
Wednesday until we decided, you
00:28:14.22\00:28:18.79
know, she wanted
to be baptized also.
00:28:18.83\00:28:22.23
She saw it coming around.
00:28:22.26\00:28:24.33
The choice was made
in October the 4th, 2014.
00:28:24.37\00:28:28.94
My wife and I, we were baptized
in the water at the same time
00:28:28.97\00:28:33.24
and we started our walk
together, I guess you'd say.
00:28:33.27\00:28:38.68
I went through everything that a
man could possibly go through, I
00:28:38.71\00:28:41.92
guess, from marital trouble,
loss of family members, death in
00:28:41.95\00:28:48.39
my family,
00:28:48.42\00:28:49.76
my children were harmed
and my daughter was handicapped
00:28:49.79\00:28:53.19
for life,
00:28:53.23\00:28:54.50
I went to prison, but still
I kept my word to God that He
00:28:54.56\00:29:00.20
could stack it on me
as much as He wanted,
00:29:00.24\00:29:02.84
and I'd never question Him
again, and I didn't, but I can
00:29:02.87\00:29:06.57
say this much,
00:29:06.61\00:29:08.38
He never put nothing on
me that I couldn't handle
00:29:08.41\00:29:11.98
and He walked
with me through it all.
00:29:12.01\00:29:14.32
And I'd like to say that--to
anyone who is in prison, not to
00:29:14.35\00:29:20.26
give up, don't lose hope.
00:29:20.29\00:29:22.52
Put your faith in the
Lord and study and seek
00:29:22.56\00:29:26.56
Him and He will seek you.
00:29:26.59\00:29:27.86
And my name is Charlie
Green and I want you to know
00:29:27.93\00:29:30.90
that you and Amazing
Facts have changed my life.
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Doug: Welcome
back, listening friends,
00:30:25.02\00:30:26.52
to "Bible Answers Live."
00:30:26.55\00:30:27.92
And if you've joined us
in route, this is a live
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study and you can participate by
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Think we still
have some lines open.
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The number is 800-GODSAYS.
00:30:39.60\00:30:42.50
That's 800-463-7297.
00:30:42.54\00:30:45.74
I am Doug Batchelor.
00:30:45.77\00:30:47.94
Jëan: My name is Jëan
Ross and we have Nel listening
00:30:47.98\00:30:51.21
in California.
00:30:51.25\00:30:52.55
Nel, welcome to the program.
00:30:52.58\00:30:54.22
Nel: Thank you,
Pastor John and Pastor Doug.
00:30:54.25\00:30:58.25
My question has
to do with Achan.
00:30:58.29\00:31:00.86
My question is, is why didn't
God forgive Achan because I
00:31:00.89\00:31:06.03
believe it was Joshua, when
he asked him, he said, you know,
00:31:06.06\00:31:09.50
"Confess now what thou hast
done and give God the praise."
00:31:09.53\00:31:13.03
And Achan seemed to
have confessed immediately.
00:31:13.07\00:31:16.77
So I was wondering why he and
his family were still killed.
00:31:16.81\00:31:20.58
Doug: Well, Achan did not
confess until they cast lots.
00:31:20.61\00:31:24.98
He waited to the
last moment, and basically
00:31:25.01\00:31:27.65
the lot fell on him.
00:31:27.68\00:31:29.58
So, you know, God, basically,
you know, he got caught with the
00:31:29.62\00:31:33.62
chocolate chips around his
mouth, and then he said, "Yeah,
00:31:33.66\00:31:36.39
yeah, I'm guilty."
00:31:36.42\00:31:37.73
So his repentance
wasn't really heartfelt.
00:31:37.76\00:31:39.23
His repentance was after God
sort of fingered him and said,
00:31:39.26\00:31:41.33
"You're the one."
00:31:41.36\00:31:42.90
And the reason his family
probably was judged with him is
00:31:42.93\00:31:46.47
they were accomplices.
00:31:46.50\00:31:49.17
They all knew it
was hidden in the tent.
00:31:49.20\00:31:51.94
They were, you know, is probably
dug a hole under the rug or I
00:31:51.97\00:31:54.64
don't know how he did it, but
they all knew about the stolen
00:31:54.68\00:31:57.18
booty and they
helped him keep it a secret.
00:31:57.21\00:32:00.08
And it also reminds us that
our decisions can affect our
00:32:00.12\00:32:04.65
families for their salvation
as in the story of Noah or their
00:32:04.69\00:32:08.92
destruction as in
the story of Achan.
00:32:08.96\00:32:12.36
And so, yeah, I think
that they were probably
00:32:12.39\00:32:16.40
complicit with
what was happening.
00:32:16.43\00:32:17.67
We don't know that there are any
little children in this family.
00:32:17.70\00:32:19.90
They may have been
older kids that were of age.
00:32:19.93\00:32:23.04
Jëan: All right, next
caller that we have is Dan in
00:32:23.07\00:32:25.07
North Carolina.
00:32:25.11\00:32:26.41
Dan, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
00:32:26.44\00:32:28.18
Dan: Yes, good evening pastors.
00:32:28.21\00:32:29.78
Thank you so much.
00:32:29.81\00:32:31.11
Pastor, I got a question
that I don't know if it's been
00:32:31.15\00:32:34.95
approached before.
00:32:34.98\00:32:36.28
Maybe yes, maybe no.
00:32:36.32\00:32:37.65
But my wife and I are
of radically different
00:32:37.69\00:32:42.72
religious beliefs.
00:32:42.76\00:32:44.89
And my basic question is, how
would one define unequally yoked
00:32:44.93\00:32:54.57
in the case of separating?
00:32:54.60\00:32:56.37
Doug: Yeah, well, did one
of you change faiths after you
00:32:56.40\00:33:00.44
got married?
00:33:00.48\00:33:03.08
Dan: No, we were--and
that is my mistake actually.
00:33:03.11\00:33:08.48
I was who and what I
was and she was struggling.
00:33:08.52\00:33:12.65
She really didn't know
where she wanted to be.
00:33:12.69\00:33:17.73
And I have tried progressively
to, not aggressively but
00:33:17.76\00:33:23.37
progressively to introduce her
to my thoughts, my beliefs, that
00:33:23.40\00:33:29.50
which I hold true and it's--
00:33:29.54\00:33:32.81
Doug: Don't feel like
you're making progress, yeah.
00:33:32.84\00:33:36.51
Dan: Yeah, she
becomes offensive.
00:33:36.54\00:33:38.11
Now it's to the point
where I can't bring up anything.
00:33:38.15\00:33:41.95
It turns into drama
and I don't want that.
00:33:41.98\00:33:46.89
Doug: I wanna make sure we keep
it, you know, this is of course,
00:33:46.92\00:33:49.16
a Bible question program.
00:33:49.19\00:33:50.99
It'd be easy to
transition into counseling.
00:33:51.03\00:33:53.80
Let me tell you
what the Bible says.
00:33:53.83\00:33:56.60
The Bible says that in the event
that you've got a believer that
00:33:56.63\00:33:59.90
is married to an unbeliever,
00:33:59.93\00:34:01.44
if the unbeliever, let's assume
that your wife is not believing
00:34:01.47\00:34:05.71
the truth--it may be you that
doesn't believe in the truth,
00:34:05.74\00:34:07.94
So I don't know what your
different faiths are--but if
00:34:07.98\00:34:11.45
they're willing to
dwell together, they should
00:34:11.48\00:34:13.52
not divorce.
00:34:13.55\00:34:15.05
And that's 1
Corinthians chapter 7.
00:34:15.08\00:34:17.72
So I recommend you read the
whole chapter there 'cause he
00:34:17.75\00:34:20.06
talks about when
people of opposing faiths
00:34:20.09\00:34:24.03
find themselves married.
00:34:24.06\00:34:26.73
And especially if there's
children involved, you know, you
00:34:26.76\00:34:30.50
want to create as much harmony
and peace as you can even though
00:34:30.53\00:34:34.90
no question there,
it's gonna be difficult.
00:34:34.94\00:34:37.84
Jëan: Now, that's a different
story, though, if you're dating
00:34:37.87\00:34:40.78
someone and you're thinking
about marrying them and you're
00:34:40.81\00:34:43.88
dating a person or you're
engaged to a person that is of a
00:34:43.91\00:34:46.58
different faith.
00:34:46.61\00:34:48.18
Well, you know, you probably
won't--you don't wanna proceed
00:34:48.22\00:34:50.99
with that marriage until
there is a unity of belief.
00:34:51.02\00:34:53.96
Otherwise it's just
gonna cause problems.
00:34:53.99\00:34:56.76
Doug: Yeah, but he's telling
us that that's what happened.
00:34:56.79\00:34:59.83
Now, they're married.
00:34:59.86\00:35:01.20
Jëan: Yeah, they're married.
00:35:01.23\00:35:02.56
Doug: Once you've said, "I
do," you made the covenant.
00:35:02.60\00:35:04.77
You kind of went
in eyes wide open.
00:35:04.80\00:35:06.80
Someone said, "Before marriage,
go in with your eyes wide open
00:35:06.84\00:35:09.67
and after marriage, keep them
half shut to the faults of--
00:35:09.70\00:35:13.48
to your spouse."
00:35:13.51\00:35:14.81
Jëan: You know, we do have
a book Pastor that you wrote.
00:35:14.84\00:35:16.41
Is called, "Marriage, Divorce
and Remarriage," and you address
00:35:16.44\00:35:19.85
these issues.
00:35:19.88\00:35:21.18
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for that is 800-835-6747.
00:35:21.22\00:35:24.55
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00:35:24.59\00:35:25.89
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00:35:25.92\00:35:27.76
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about the subject of marriage
00:35:27.79\00:35:30.36
and remarriage.
00:35:30.39\00:35:31.69
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00:35:31.73\00:35:35.03
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00:35:41.44\00:35:42.74
Next caller
there is Glenn in Ohio.
00:35:42.77\00:35:44.71
Glenn, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
00:35:44.74\00:35:47.64
Glenn: Thank you very much
pastors for taking my call.
00:35:47.68\00:35:51.01
My call--concerns the
triunity of the Godhead and the
00:35:51.05\00:35:55.12
Holy Spirit.
00:35:55.15\00:35:56.75
You know, there's an interesting
subject I believe about why
00:35:56.79\00:36:00.46
Jesus told the apostles he had
to go so that he could send the
00:36:00.49\00:36:05.76
Holy Spirit.
00:36:05.79\00:36:07.13
I think that'd be an interesting
subject we'd love to hear
00:36:07.13\00:36:08.86
talked about.
00:36:08.90\00:36:10.23
But the triunity of the Godhead,
Elohim, came to Christianity
00:36:10.27\00:36:14.74
from--sun worship.
00:36:14.77\00:36:17.37
My thought about it is I believe
that there's God the Father, God
00:36:17.41\00:36:22.28
the Son, and the Holy Spirit as
the omnipresence of the Godhead.
00:36:22.31\00:36:28.65
In other words, there are
millions of people that were not
00:36:28.68\00:36:31.09
neglected when the Holy Spirit
manifest Himself as a dove at
00:36:31.12\00:36:34.39
Jesus's baptism.
00:36:34.42\00:36:37.16
So I believe there's the Father,
the Son, and the manifestation
00:36:37.19\00:36:41.30
of the
omnipresence of the Godhead.
00:36:41.33\00:36:44.00
I never hear that word.
00:36:44.03\00:36:45.93
Can you help me or
how does that thought fit?
00:36:45.97\00:36:48.74
Doug: Yeah, so I think what
you're asking is, is the Holy
00:36:48.77\00:36:52.27
Spirit a unique separate person?
00:36:52.31\00:36:54.24
Or is he just the way that the
omnipresence of God the Father
00:36:54.28\00:36:58.45
and Son is demonstrated?
00:36:58.48\00:37:00.12
Well, when in Acts chapter 5,
when Ananias and Sapphira lied
00:37:00.15\00:37:06.22
regarding their donation that
they made, Peter said you've
00:37:06.25\00:37:09.96
not lied unto men, but when
you lied to the Holy Spirit, you
00:37:09.99\00:37:14.23
lied to God.
00:37:14.30\00:37:15.70
And so Peter defines lying to
the Holy Spirit as lying to God.
00:37:15.73\00:37:20.77
So when you look at the
definitions of God, you find
00:37:20.80\00:37:24.11
that the Holy Spirit also
fulfills the definitions, that
00:37:24.14\00:37:28.78
he is grieved, He's given
an individual personality.
00:37:28.81\00:37:33.75
That's part of the reason Jesus
said, "Go baptize in the name of
00:37:33.78\00:37:37.12
the Father, the Son,
and the Holy Spirit."
00:37:37.15\00:37:40.79
So you've got--it's distinct.
00:37:40.82\00:37:42.62
You find the Holy Spirit at
the beginning, the Spirit of God
00:37:42.66\00:37:45.53
moved upon the face of the
waters and you have the Spirit
00:37:45.56\00:37:49.03
giving an invitation in the end
of the Bible where it says the
00:37:49.06\00:37:52.33
Spirit and the bride say come.
00:37:52.37\00:37:54.10
So the Holy Spirit
is a separate person.
00:37:54.14\00:37:57.81
And you know, this is, it's
a difficult subject and I won't
00:37:57.84\00:38:00.98
pretend it isn't.
00:38:01.01\00:38:02.31
And we need to really take
our shoes off when we talk about
00:38:02.34\00:38:05.31
this because when man starts
describing and defining God,
00:38:05.35\00:38:09.52
we're way out of our league.
00:38:09.55\00:38:10.85
But based on what is revealed,
I think we can say with
00:38:10.89\00:38:13.66
confidence, you've got three
distinct persons in the Godhead.
00:38:13.69\00:38:17.33
And I have a book on that, that
it's called "The Holy Spirit
00:38:17.36\00:38:20.76
Trinity: One God or Three."
00:38:20.80\00:38:22.30
And you'll be blessed by
that Glenn, please look at it.
00:38:22.33\00:38:24.73
Jëan: 800-835-6747.
00:38:24.77\00:38:27.20
Ask for the book called
"The Trinity: One God or Three."
00:38:27.24\00:38:30.51
We'll be happy to send it
to anyone who calls and asks.
00:38:30.54\00:38:33.51
Again, it's 800-835-6747.
00:38:33.54\00:38:36.71
You can also dial
#250 on your smartphone.
00:38:36.75\00:38:40.18
Say, "Bible Answers Live," ask
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00:38:40.22\00:38:43.92
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00:38:43.95\00:38:46.99
there on your phone.
00:38:47.02\00:38:48.79
Next caller that we
have--thank you, Glenn.
00:38:48.82\00:38:50.66
Next caller we have is
Bret--Brent in Georgia.
00:38:50.69\00:38:53.46
Brent, welcome to the program.
00:38:53.50\00:38:55.30
Bret: Good evening,
pastors. How are you all?
00:38:55.33\00:38:57.37
Doug: Doing good. Thank you.
00:38:57.40\00:38:58.90
And it's Bret,
if I'm not mistaken.
00:38:58.93\00:39:01.67
Bret: Yes, yeah.
00:39:01.70\00:39:03.14
So I'm interested in Proverbs
23, verses 20 and 21, and really
00:39:03.17\00:39:10.11
looking at that and it
talks about over-indulgence
00:39:10.15\00:39:13.65
and gluttonous.
00:39:13.68\00:39:14.98
And so I guess looking at
that, will there be obese people
00:39:15.02\00:39:18.19
in heaven?
00:39:18.22\00:39:20.59
Doug: I'm sorry.
00:39:20.62\00:39:22.72
Well, I shouldn't laugh.
00:39:22.76\00:39:24.56
I think I'm just thinking, will
we have obese bodies in heaven?
00:39:24.59\00:39:28.10
No, I don't think so.
00:39:28.13\00:39:30.30
Is it possible for an
obese person to be saved?
00:39:30.33\00:39:33.13
Is that maybe
what you're asking?
00:39:33.17\00:39:35.07
Bret: I know that's possible.
00:39:35.10\00:39:36.40
I guess--
00:39:36.44\00:39:38.34
Doug: Yeah, I don't think in
the Resurrection, anybody's--you
00:39:38.37\00:39:40.44
see, obesity is--technically,
it's an unhealthy condition,
00:39:40.48\00:39:44.95
and so I don't
think anyone's gonna get a
00:39:44.98\00:39:46.48
glorified body that's unhealthy.
00:39:46.51\00:39:48.52
Does that make sense?
00:39:48.55\00:39:49.88
I don't know if we've
ever had that question.
00:39:49.92\00:39:51.15
Jëan: Yeah, I mean, there's
different factors for obesity.
00:39:51.19\00:39:53.86
I mean, one could just be
temperance but they could also
00:39:53.89\00:39:57.16
be medical reasons.
00:39:57.19\00:39:58.49
There's other
factors that come into play.
00:39:58.53\00:40:01.06
So, yeah, there
are health risks,
00:40:01.10\00:40:03.26
of course, as we know, it
can shorten a person's life if
00:40:03.30\00:40:06.77
they're obese, but that's
not preventing someone from
00:40:06.80\00:40:09.97
receiving
Christ and being saved.
00:40:10.01\00:40:12.27
But like you say, Pastor Doug,
I think everyone is gonna have
00:40:12.31\00:40:14.91
that perfect body when Jesus
comes, and I don't know too many
00:40:14.94\00:40:18.95
obese people that think it
is a good thing for them to be
00:40:18.98\00:40:23.49
struggling with weight.
00:40:23.52\00:40:24.85
So they're looking forward to
that brand-new body as well if
00:40:24.89\00:40:27.42
they're a believer.
00:40:27.46\00:40:28.79
Doug: And let's suppose you have
a person that's you know, 100
00:40:28.82\00:40:31.09
pounds overweight,
which would be unhealthy.
00:40:31.13\00:40:33.70
And they find the Lord and they
come to the Lord and they start,
00:40:33.73\00:40:36.16
you know, working to make
changes in their lifestyle and
00:40:36.20\00:40:40.00
they die before they get there.
00:40:40.04\00:40:41.80
Well, you know, it's a
process, and so they'd certainly
00:40:41.84\00:40:45.17
be saved.
00:40:45.21\00:40:47.24
But then there's the other
question is gluttony a sin?
00:40:47.28\00:40:51.48
And I think we need to say the
lusts of the flesh, whether it's
00:40:51.51\00:40:55.55
sexual or drug
addiction or gluttony.
00:40:55.58\00:40:59.49
Those are all sins
that should be overcome.
00:40:59.52\00:41:02.22
Jëan: All right, good question.
00:41:02.26\00:41:03.96
First time we've had that one.
00:41:03.99\00:41:05.76
Next caller that we have.
00:41:05.79\00:41:07.13
Let's see calling from
New Jersey and it's Spendjani.
00:41:07.13\00:41:11.07
Spendjani,
welcome to the program.
00:41:11.10\00:41:13.44
Spendjani: Thank you,
Pastors for taking my call.
00:41:13.47\00:41:15.24
How are you?
00:41:15.27\00:41:16.60
Doug: Doing great.
Thanks for calling.
00:41:16.64\00:41:19.27
Spendjani: No problem, so
my question today is about
00:41:19.31\00:41:22.04
Genesis chapter 22.
00:41:22.08\00:41:24.18
Why did God refer to
Isaac as Abraham's only son when
00:41:24.21\00:41:28.08
obviously he had Ishmael first?
00:41:28.12\00:41:30.45
Doug: Yeah, good question.
00:41:30.49\00:41:31.79
I think it's because having
Ishmael was not God's plan.
00:41:31.82\00:41:39.39
God's plan was that through his
son, Abraham's son with Sarah,
00:41:39.43\00:41:45.17
the Messiah would come.
00:41:45.20\00:41:47.04
When Abraham and Sarah became
impatient because they thought,
00:41:47.07\00:41:50.57
oh, well, you know, Sarah's
getting too old, she's beyond
00:41:50.61\00:41:52.94
the age of bearing.
00:41:52.97\00:41:54.31
We're gonna help God out.
00:41:54.34\00:41:55.64
We're gonna get this
Egyptian slave and use her as
00:41:55.68\00:41:57.25
a surrogate.
00:41:57.28\00:41:58.71
And then, you know, Abraham
and Hagar have the son, Ishmael.
00:41:58.75\00:42:04.85
Ultimately, Hagar and
Ishmael are sent away.
00:42:04.89\00:42:07.96
And it's kind of hard
for us to understand this.
00:42:07.99\00:42:10.49
But God basically said, "Put her
away" and the word is divorce.
00:42:10.53\00:42:14.36
So the son that God was going
to bring the Messiah through
00:42:14.36\00:42:18.90
was Isaac.
00:42:18.93\00:42:20.24
Now, Abraham married after Sarah
died and he, through a woman
00:42:20.27\00:42:24.87
named Keturah, and he
had several other sons.
00:42:24.91\00:42:27.84
But when he offered his only
son, Isaac was a type of Christ
00:42:27.88\00:42:32.35
and God so loved the
world, He gave His Son.
00:42:32.38\00:42:34.25
God doesn't have
several divine sons.
00:42:34.28\00:42:37.42
He only had Jesus.
00:42:37.45\00:42:38.75
Isaac was a type of that.
00:42:38.79\00:42:40.66
Jëan: And I think Isaac's the
only one of Abraham's children
00:42:40.69\00:42:44.03
that was a miracle
birth through Sarah.
00:42:44.06\00:42:46.23
Doug: Yeah, good point.
00:42:46.26\00:42:47.60
Jëan: Whereas all the others
were sort of--and I think as you
00:42:47.60\00:42:50.17
said, that's a type of Christ
Jesus, of course, there was a
00:42:50.20\00:42:52.60
miracle birth with Mary, and it
also is a reference to that it's
00:42:52.63\00:42:57.77
God that would
fulfill the promise.
00:42:57.81\00:42:59.54
It was a man that
was to fill the promise.
00:42:59.57\00:43:02.18
So in that sense, Isaac is
different from the other sons
00:43:02.21\00:43:04.88
that Abraham had.
00:43:04.91\00:43:06.25
Doug: I think Paul
addresses that too.
00:43:06.28\00:43:07.58
One was a child of kind of works
and one was a child of faith.
00:43:07.62\00:43:12.09
So I hope that
helps a little bit
00:43:12.12\00:43:13.46
and good question, thank you.
00:43:13.49\00:43:15.36
Jëan: Richard in
Arkansas is listening.
00:43:15.39\00:43:16.93
Richard, welcome to the program.
00:43:16.96\00:43:19.36
Richard: Hey,
thank you for having me.
00:43:19.39\00:43:20.73
How are y'all doing tonight?
00:43:20.76\00:43:22.06
Doug: Great. Thanks for calling.
00:43:22.10\00:43:24.77
Richard: I just
have one quick question.
00:43:24.80\00:43:26.33
I'll make it short for y'all.
00:43:26.37\00:43:28.04
What does the Bible say
about our pets being in heaven?
00:43:28.07\00:43:31.81
Doug: Yeah, that
is a good question.
00:43:31.84\00:43:34.21
We've had that from time to time
because a lot of folks, like
00:43:34.24\00:43:38.55
myself, Pastor Ross has probably
had beloved pets and, you know,
00:43:38.58\00:43:42.95
usually humans outlive
them unless you get a turtle, a
00:43:42.98\00:43:46.15
tortoise or something.
00:43:46.19\00:43:48.52
You had a
parrot for a long time.
00:43:48.56\00:43:49.86
Jëan: We did, they live
long. Doug: A long time.
00:43:49.89\00:43:52.09
Jëan: I'm
laughing at that, Pastor.
00:43:52.13\00:43:53.43
Like some of these
turtles or tortoises can
00:43:53.46\00:43:55.30
live like 200, 300 years.
00:43:55.33\00:43:56.63
They could outlive
you and your children.
00:43:56.67\00:43:59.43
Doug: They don't have a
lot of personality though.
00:43:59.47\00:44:01.60
But anyway, and so,
you know, we wonder,
00:44:01.64\00:44:05.74
is there any hope for them?
00:44:05.77\00:44:07.08
We love some of these pets
and we'd love to see them again.
00:44:07.11\00:44:11.08
Are they gone forever?
00:44:11.11\00:44:12.95
You know, the Bible, I have
to tell you the Bible does not
00:44:12.98\00:44:15.12
specifically address it.
00:44:15.15\00:44:17.02
What the Bible does say is
there will be animals in heaven.
00:44:17.05\00:44:20.46
So we know that, and then the
Bible says that the eyes have
00:44:20.49\00:44:24.59
not seen, the ear has not heard,
neither has entered into the
00:44:24.63\00:44:27.60
heart, meaning the imagination
of man, what God has prepared
00:44:27.60\00:44:31.13
for those that love him.
00:44:31.17\00:44:32.47
So I think when we get to
heaven, there'll be a lot of
00:44:32.50\00:44:34.24
amazing surprises and among
those surprises that are joyful,
00:44:34.27\00:44:40.14
we may find that God is
resurrecting our beloved cat or
00:44:40.18\00:44:44.85
dog or parakeet or whatever it
was and that they're going to be
00:44:44.88\00:44:48.38
there with a glorified body.
00:44:48.42\00:44:49.75
We don't know that, but
certainly not beyond Him.
00:44:49.78\00:44:53.76
That's as close as
I think we can come.
00:44:53.79\00:44:55.96
Now, we've got a friend, Steve
Wahlberg, he wrote a book, "Will
00:44:55.99\00:45:01.06
My Pet Be in Heaven?"
00:45:01.10\00:45:02.56
And I think he ends up with the
argument that yes, if it was a
00:45:02.60\00:45:06.63
good pet.
00:45:06.67\00:45:07.97
Now dogs, maybe not cats,
but dogs will be in there.
00:45:08.00\00:45:11.17
I'm gonna get all these
letters from cat owners now.
00:45:11.21\00:45:14.14
Jëan: All right,
well, thank you, Richard.
00:45:14.18\00:45:15.81
Next caller that we have
is Elizabeth in Colorado.
00:45:15.84\00:45:18.38
Elizabeth,
welcome to the program.
00:45:18.41\00:45:20.88
Elizabeth: Thank you.
Doug: Hi, thanks for calling.
00:45:20.92\00:45:24.35
Elizabeth: Hi; my
question is, will Jesus
00:45:24.39\00:45:28.26
forgive Pontius Pilate?
00:45:28.29\00:45:30.13
Because in the Bible it says
when he first went to Pontius
00:45:30.16\00:45:34.10
Pilate and they sent him
over there, that Pontius Pilate
00:45:34.13\00:45:37.53
didn't find
anything wrong in him.
00:45:37.57\00:45:39.33
Doug: Yeah, well, you know, in
the dialogue between Jesus and
00:45:39.37\00:45:42.70
Pilate, Jesus does say the one
who turned me over to you has
00:45:42.74\00:45:46.41
the greater sin.
00:45:46.44\00:45:47.78
He didn't say
Pilate was sinless.
00:45:47.81\00:45:49.51
Pilate said Jesus was innocent
and in spite of the fact he was
00:45:49.54\00:45:53.28
innocent, he said, well, to make
you happy, I'll beat him and
00:45:53.31\00:45:56.12
then let him go.
00:45:56.15\00:45:57.79
And well, if you think he's
innocent, why are you going to
00:45:57.82\00:46:00.12
beat him?
00:46:00.16\00:46:01.39
And then because a mob is crying
for his blood instead of calling
00:46:01.42\00:46:05.19
out the guard and saying he's
innocent, I'm gonna protect him.
00:46:05.23\00:46:07.66
He hands him over because he's
worried about his career and how
00:46:07.66\00:46:10.67
it's gonna look to the
Romans if there's a riot.
00:46:10.70\00:46:13.47
So I think Pilate caved and
I believe he's gonna be lost.
00:46:13.50\00:46:19.51
And I think, you know, Christ
is merciful in the judgment.
00:46:19.54\00:46:22.18
He realized Pilate was pressured
into it and God takes that
00:46:22.21\00:46:24.75
into account.
00:46:24.78\00:46:26.11
But I don't think Pilate's gonna
make it based on what the Bible
00:46:26.15\00:46:29.12
record is.
00:46:29.15\00:46:30.45
And it's not in the scripture,
but in Christian history and
00:46:30.49\00:46:34.59
Roman history, it seems to
say he was eventually banished
00:46:34.62\00:46:37.26
to Spain.
00:46:37.29\00:46:38.63
I believe it was Spain
and he committed suicide.
00:46:38.66\00:46:41.36
So his wife warned him in a
dream, "Don't have anything to
00:46:41.40\00:46:46.70
do with that just man."
00:46:46.74\00:46:48.57
And Pilate knew he was just,
and he still condemned him.
00:46:48.60\00:46:51.21
So I think he's guilty.
00:46:51.24\00:46:52.57
Jëan: And that
almost makes it worse.
00:46:52.61\00:46:54.04
He knew that Christ was innocent
and yet he's still condemned
00:46:54.08\00:46:57.55
to death, he murdered him, so.
00:46:57.58\00:47:00.05
All right, thank you, Elizabeth.
We've got Jo in New Mexico.
00:47:00.08\00:47:03.45
Jo, welcome to the program.
00:47:03.49\00:47:06.25
Jo: Good evening,
pastors. How are you?
00:47:06.29\00:47:08.76
Doug: Good, thank you,
Jo. Appreciate your calling.
00:47:08.79\00:47:11.56
Jo: And thank you
for accepting the call.
00:47:11.59\00:47:14.13
I was wondering, where was
Daniel when Hananiah and Ananias
00:47:14.20\00:47:19.80
and--those guys were in
at the golden temple--the
00:47:19.83\00:47:25.77
golden statue, where was Daniel?
00:47:25.81\00:47:28.71
Doug: Yeah,
that's a good question.
00:47:28.74\00:47:30.35
It's a little mysterious.
00:47:30.38\00:47:31.68
My idea and Pastor Ross has
just got done teaching a series
00:47:31.71\00:47:34.68
on Daniel.
00:47:34.72\00:47:36.05
My understanding is that
Nebuchadnezzar, knowing that
00:47:36.08\00:47:39.89
Daniel had told him his golden
kingdom would not continue,
00:47:39.92\00:47:42.89
might have sent him off on
business in another part of
00:47:42.92\00:47:45.53
the kingdom.
00:47:45.56\00:47:46.86
I don't think it was an
accident Daniel was not there.
00:47:46.90\00:47:50.00
But you got any thoughts?
00:47:50.03\00:47:52.10
Jëan: Yeah, it's almost as
if Nebuchadnezzar had forgotten
00:47:52.13\00:47:54.57
about Shadrach, Meshach, and
Abednego, or Hananiah, Mishael,
00:47:54.60\00:47:57.31
and Azariah, which are their
Hebrew names, because when they
00:47:57.34\00:48:00.38
came before the king, he
gave them a second chance, which
00:48:00.41\00:48:03.78
you'd think he wouldn't
have done to anyone else.
00:48:03.81\00:48:06.41
But it's as if he suddenly
realizes, "Oh, man, I forgot
00:48:06.45\00:48:08.75
about these guys, and
they're good, you know, they're
00:48:08.78\00:48:10.55
good, loyal."
00:48:10.59\00:48:12.09
So he said, "Well,
we'll give you another chance.
00:48:12.12\00:48:14.09
When you hear
the music, bow down."
00:48:14.12\00:48:15.46
And of course, when they said,
"Oh, king, don't, you know, you
00:48:15.49\00:48:17.73
don't have to
give us another chance.
00:48:17.76\00:48:19.06
We worship the God.
We're not gonna bow down."
00:48:19.09\00:48:20.73
Well, then he got furious and
then, you know, the furnace was
00:48:20.76\00:48:23.50
heated seven times hotter.
00:48:23.53\00:48:24.87
So it almost appears as though,
yes, he remembered Daniel and
00:48:24.90\00:48:27.70
maybe sent him off some errand,
but he forgot about his three
00:48:27.74\00:48:30.77
friends, and yet they were
just as faithful as Daniel.
00:48:30.81\00:48:34.21
What a story.
00:48:34.24\00:48:35.48
I mean, can you imagine if
we didn't have that great story,
00:48:35.51\00:48:37.81
Daniel chapter 3.
00:48:37.85\00:48:39.15
So yeah, they were
very loyal just like Daniel.
00:48:39.18\00:48:43.02
Doug: I heard one Bible scholar
say that the Lord accomplished
00:48:43.05\00:48:46.29
through those three young men
on the plains of Dora that day
00:48:46.32\00:48:50.26
what he had been wanting to
do through the Jewish nation for
00:48:50.29\00:48:53.23
1000 years, to be a
light to the Gentiles.
00:48:53.26\00:48:56.16
And they stood up and
showed the power of Jehovah.
00:48:56.20\00:48:58.70
And then of course, the king
sends out a declaration to the
00:48:58.73\00:49:01.37
whole empire about the God
of Daniel and Hananiah, Mishael,
00:49:01.40\00:49:04.94
and Azariah.
00:49:04.97\00:49:06.27
Anyway, thanks, good call.
00:49:06.31\00:49:07.58
Jëan: And of course, Daniel had
his time too in the next kingdom
00:49:07.61\00:49:09.71
and Darius where he
was put in the lions' den.
00:49:09.74\00:49:11.81
So he had to stand up too.
00:49:11.85\00:49:13.78
All right, next call that
we have is Eric in Michigan.
00:49:13.82\00:49:16.25
Eric, welcome to the program.
00:49:16.28\00:49:18.92
Eric: Hey, how're
you guys doing tonight?
00:49:18.95\00:49:20.32
Doug: Good.
Thank you for calling.
00:49:20.36\00:49:23.22
Eric: I'm looking for
clarification of my thought
00:49:23.26\00:49:27.10
process due to my
limited understanding.
00:49:27.13\00:49:30.03
I've been running parallels
with the operating system of the
00:49:30.07\00:49:33.70
sanctuary, comparing it to
the disciples and how they were
00:49:33.74\00:49:38.71
taught through Jesus.
00:49:38.74\00:49:41.01
And I noticed when you come into
the courtyard of the sanctuary,
00:49:41.04\00:49:46.61
the first thing you come to
is the altar, which is where it
00:49:46.65\00:49:49.35
would be where Jesus or, you
know, would be sacrificed in the
00:49:49.38\00:49:52.19
New Testament, so you'd be
00:49:52.22\00:49:53.52
starting at the
cross in the New Testament.
00:49:53.56\00:49:56.93
But the next thing you come to
in the courtyard, I believe is
00:49:56.96\00:50:00.06
the laver where
you have water baptism.
00:50:00.10\00:50:03.06
And then after the water baptism
you go into the holy place where
00:50:03.10\00:50:06.84
you have the 12 loaves of
shewbread which would be the 12
00:50:06.87\00:50:10.74
tribes of Israel.
00:50:10.77\00:50:12.11
You're learning, you know,
there's a learning process going
00:50:12.14\00:50:14.98
on there where you'd
eventually be sanctified.
00:50:15.01\00:50:18.45
Well, of course, the Old
Testament, I understand that,
00:50:18.48\00:50:21.28
you know, men chose not to obey.
00:50:21.32\00:50:24.02
So then you go into the New
Testament and then if you're
00:50:24.05\00:50:27.49
starting at the cross, when
Jesus was resurrected, I believe
00:50:27.52\00:50:32.06
he was taught
for, I think 40 days.
00:50:32.09\00:50:34.40
And then after that 40 days, the
disciples got the water baptism.
00:50:34.46\00:50:39.67
And then after the water
baptism, you have the Pentecost
00:50:39.70\00:50:45.94
where the Holy Spirit
came down on top of them.
00:50:45.97\00:50:48.68
I guess is the center line
is like the center of the Bible.
00:50:48.71\00:50:52.98
And if you go into the past
or into the future, you're in a
00:50:53.01\00:50:56.08
teaching situation.
00:50:56.12\00:50:57.42
If you go farther into the
past or the future, you have the
00:50:57.45\00:51:00.09
water baptism.
00:51:00.12\00:51:01.56
It's almost like it's laid out.
00:51:01.59\00:51:03.19
And then of course, you have,
if you go even farther into the
00:51:03.22\00:51:05.86
past or into the future, you end
up with being you're sanctified
00:51:05.89\00:51:09.43
because you would be in the holy
place, being sanctified or in
00:51:09.46\00:51:13.74
the future.
00:51:13.77\00:51:15.07
Doug: Let me jump in and tell
you what I do think, and you may
00:51:15.10\00:51:17.31
be overthinking it.
00:51:17.34\00:51:18.67
Is that okay?
00:51:18.71\00:51:20.41
I do think the
sanctuary outlines the process
00:51:20.44\00:51:23.21
of salvation.
00:51:23.24\00:51:24.58
And I was with you when
you said, you know, first thing
00:51:24.61\00:51:28.35
there's one door,
Christ is the door.
00:51:28.38\00:51:30.89
First thing you encounter
then is sacrifice, the altar.
00:51:30.92\00:51:34.46
It's the cross.
00:51:34.49\00:51:36.12
The children of Israel--
00:51:36.16\00:51:37.69
And see, the sanctuary is
tracing their journey to the
00:51:37.73\00:51:41.40
Promised Land.
00:51:41.43\00:51:42.76
The children of Israel,
they sacrificed the lamb.
00:51:42.80\00:51:45.33
Then they went through
the Red Sea, that's baptism.
00:51:45.37\00:51:48.97
In the wilderness then, they had
bread, and that's the 12 loaves,
00:51:49.00\00:51:52.87
12 tribes, 12 apostles.
00:51:52.91\00:51:55.04
It's talking about God's
Word and Jesus is the bread.
00:51:55.08\00:51:58.31
You've got the light.
00:51:58.35\00:51:59.68
They had a pillar of
fire in the sanctuary.
00:51:59.71\00:52:01.95
God guided them, and
it's a symbol for, you know,
00:52:01.98\00:52:05.79
the Spirit.
00:52:05.82\00:52:07.16
Then you have
the altar of incense.
00:52:07.19\00:52:08.49
This is prayer.
00:52:08.52\00:52:09.86
So you have the three
disciplines of the Christian
00:52:09.89\00:52:11.96
life are in the sanctuary.
00:52:11.99\00:52:13.76
The bread, we read our Bibles,
the light, we let our light
00:52:13.80\00:52:16.90
shine, and the
prayer, we commune with God.
00:52:16.93\00:52:20.47
So in the wilderness,
you've got those three principal
00:52:20.50\00:52:22.90
disciplines of
the Christian life.
00:52:22.94\00:52:24.44
There's a lot more to it,
but I'm just simplifying it.
00:52:24.47\00:52:27.11
And then the whole idea is you
go to the third phase which is
00:52:27.14\00:52:30.35
glorification in the
presence of God and having
00:52:30.38\00:52:34.15
him dwell in our minds.
00:52:34.18\00:52:35.48
Thy Word I've hid in my heart.
00:52:35.52\00:52:37.82
So you got justification in the
courtyard, sanctification in the
00:52:37.85\00:52:40.42
holy place, glorification
in the most holy place.
00:52:40.46\00:52:43.22
So just think of
it in simple terms.
00:52:43.26\00:52:46.59
I know that I've heard some
studies on the sanctuary that
00:52:46.63\00:52:49.30
they can write a
whole encyclopedia on it.
00:52:49.33\00:52:51.27
It's a deep, deep subject,
but probably more than we can
00:52:51.30\00:52:54.67
accomplish in little
sound bites of our answer time.
00:52:54.70\00:52:58.34
So I didn't mean to
cut you off, but you
00:52:58.37\00:53:01.08
were getting pretty deep there.
00:53:01.11\00:53:02.41
Jëan: You know, we do have a
study guide talking about that.
00:53:02.44\00:53:04.01
It's called "God
Drew The Plans"--
00:53:04.05\00:53:05.35
Doug: And our new magazine
that's much deeper, yeah.
00:53:05.38\00:53:09.15
Jëan: And as you said, Pastor
Doug, there's many different
00:53:09.18\00:53:12.09
facets and parts to the
sanctuary and its application.
00:53:12.12\00:53:16.06
So call and ask for that.
00:53:16.09\00:53:17.53
The number is 800-835-6747.
00:53:17.56\00:53:20.96
You can ask for the study guide.
00:53:21.00\00:53:22.33
It's called "God Drew The
Plans," it's on the sanctuary.
00:53:22.36\00:53:24.83
The Amazing Facts magazine
is also entitled, what is that?
00:53:24.87\00:53:28.84
"Amazing Sanctuary," I
think that's just what it is.
00:53:28.87\00:53:31.57
"Amazing Sanctuary." So
you can ask for that as well.
00:53:31.61\00:53:33.84
Doug: I think Eric would like
that 'cause it gets a little
00:53:33.88\00:53:35.88
deeper into the symbolism
of the sanctuary, the time
00:53:35.91\00:53:41.18
prophecies connected with it.
00:53:41.22\00:53:42.52
Do we have time for one more?
00:53:42.55\00:53:43.79
Jëan: Rebekah in Pennsylvania.
Rebekah, we got about a minute.
00:53:43.82\00:53:47.02
Rebekah: Okay, real
quick, so my question is
00:53:47.06\00:53:49.19
about the Lord's Prayer.
00:53:49.22\00:53:50.53
One line says, "Lead
us not into temptation."
00:53:50.56\00:53:54.66
So someone said it was
anti-Christian to say the Lord's
00:53:54.73\00:53:58.60
Prayer because of that line
'cause God does not lead us into
00:53:58.63\00:54:01.50
temptation, Satan does.
00:54:01.54\00:54:03.00
So what do you think about,
how do you interpret that line?
00:54:03.04\00:54:06.11
Doug: You know what?
00:54:06.14\00:54:07.48
It's actually not
the best translation.
00:54:07.51\00:54:09.54
It's basically saying, lead us
away from our natural tendency
00:54:09.58\00:54:14.15
towards temptation.
00:54:14.18\00:54:15.72
So we're saying, "Lead
us not" meaning lead us away
00:54:15.75\00:54:19.39
from temptation.
00:54:19.42\00:54:20.89
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00:54:20.92\00:54:22.26
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All right, pastor, here we go.
00:55:38.67\00:55:39.97
Some great questions tonight.
00:55:40.00\00:55:41.57
Cynthia is asking, "What
were the laws before the Ten
00:55:41.60\00:55:44.67
Commandments were given?
00:55:44.71\00:55:46.01
After all isn't sin the
transgression of the law?"
00:55:46.04\00:55:49.08
Doug: Yeah, some folks say that,
well, before the law was given
00:55:49.11\00:55:51.85
where there's no
law, there's no sin,
00:55:51.88\00:55:53.35
then, you know, how did
they know right from wrong?
00:55:53.38\00:55:55.92
The Ten Commandments were
written down in the time of
00:55:55.95\00:55:58.62
Moses there in
Exodus chapter 20.
00:55:58.65\00:56:00.89
But they existed,
they've always existed.
00:56:00.92\00:56:04.09
It has always been
wrong to worship other gods.
00:56:04.13\00:56:07.13
It's always been
wrong to take innocent life.
00:56:07.20\00:56:09.83
And how do we know that?
00:56:09.86\00:56:11.20
Well, when God says to Cain,
sin lies at your door and Cain
00:56:11.23\00:56:15.30
commits murder, he
knew murder was a sin.
00:56:15.34\00:56:18.84
When Joseph says--now, Joseph
lived long before Moses--when he
00:56:18.87\00:56:23.31
was tempted by Potiphar's wife.
00:56:23.35\00:56:25.25
And Joseph said, "How can I
commit this sin of adultery and
00:56:25.28\00:56:28.95
sin against my master?"
00:56:28.98\00:56:30.29
Joseph knew that
adultery was a sin.
00:56:30.32\00:56:32.89
And so you could go through
a litany of sins that they
00:56:32.92\00:56:35.99
understood it was lawlessness
before the Ten Commandments
00:56:36.02\00:56:38.96
were given.
00:56:38.99\00:56:40.33
The law was still there.
It just wasn't codified yet.
00:56:40.36\00:56:43.26
Jëan: Okay, we've got Alex,
who's asking "Does the Bible say
00:56:43.30\00:56:46.74
that Adam and Eve ate of the
tree of life before they sinned,
00:56:46.77\00:56:49.70
and if so why didn't
they become immortal?"
00:56:49.74\00:56:53.71
Doug: Yeah, we would assume they
did eat from the tree of life.
00:56:53.74\00:56:56.51
And evidently, it's something
you do more than once in
00:56:56.54\00:56:59.75
eternity because God says that
the tree of life is in the New
00:56:59.78\00:57:03.85
Earth and that there's different
kinds of fruit intimating that
00:57:03.89\00:57:08.59
we would come that, you
know, different varieties or
00:57:08.62\00:57:11.49
different, flavors,
I'm not sure, but it says
00:57:11.53\00:57:14.40
there's 12 different kinds
it sounds like 12 times a year.
00:57:14.46\00:57:17.90
So, well, you know,
we'll come different times.
00:57:17.93\00:57:20.90
We'll eat the fruit, and it must
perpetuate life for a long time
00:57:20.94\00:57:24.24
because Adam ate from the fruit.
00:57:24.27\00:57:26.11
He lived 900 years.
00:57:26.14\00:57:28.11
Whereas, you know, today
we have three-score and ten
00:57:28.14\00:57:30.55
as an average.
00:57:30.58\00:57:31.88
So we think he did eat, but
it evidently something that you
00:57:31.91\00:57:34.92
do ongoing.
00:57:34.95\00:57:37.35
I don't think our
eternal life is so
00:57:37.39\00:57:38.89
much coming from the fruit.
00:57:38.92\00:57:40.22
Like if you get too far out
in the cosmos and you miss your
00:57:40.26\00:57:42.62
meal, you're gonna die.
00:57:42.66\00:57:43.99
I think we have eternal life,
but we're gonna want to keep
00:57:44.03\00:57:45.96
eating from the tree.
00:57:45.99\00:57:47.23
Jëan: All right, last question
we have here is "What would have
00:57:47.23\00:57:49.63
happened if Judas Iscariot
had repented of his sin?
00:57:49.66\00:57:53.13
After all the Bible predicted
that he was to betray Christ.
00:57:53.17\00:57:57.74
Doug: Yeah, well, of course,
if he had genuinely repented, I
00:57:57.77\00:58:00.64
think he would have been
forgiven, but he reached the
00:58:00.68\00:58:03.51
point of no return
when he betrayed Christ.
00:58:03.55\00:58:07.58
It says, "Satan entered him."
00:58:07.62\00:58:09.12
He went out and it was dark.
00:58:09.15\00:58:11.05
Don't let that
happen to you, friends.
00:58:11.09\00:58:12.85
Listen to the
voice of the Spirit.
00:58:12.89\00:58:14.62
We'll study God's Word
with you again next week.
00:58:14.66\00:58:17.03
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