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Doug Batchelor: Hello friends,
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would you like to
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A Virginia
woman, Kaylin Phillips,
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is lucky to be alive.
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In 2021, while studying
in Bali, Indonesia, she found
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a cute little golden octopus
with blue rings at the beach.
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After catching the creature,
she recorded a video of her
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and her friends
fondling the little animal
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and passing it around
before they released it.
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When she posted the
video on her Instagram account,
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several stunned
people responded,
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warning her that the
cute little cephalopod was
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the highly venomous
blue ringed octopus.
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She looked it up online
and discovered the animal is
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among the
deadliest in the ocean,
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with another venom to
kill more than 26 people.
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The bite of the little creature
can kill within minutes,
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causing respiratory arrest.
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Compounding her
near death experience,
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there is no
antidote for the venom
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of the blue ringed octopus.
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That's a good reminder that
some things might appear cute
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and harmless, but they can still
be deadly and you know it--
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It's amazing Pastor
Ross, an Octopus is so quick
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at changing its colors
in, I think a fraction,
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like 1/3 of a second
it can completely change
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not only the color, but
the texture of its skin.
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It's probably the most
versatile of all the creatures
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in the ocean.
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And can you imagine the
horror of this young lady?
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She cried when she finally found
out how close to death she was,
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passing it
around with her friends
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and all they had to do was
anger it and if it wanted to,
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it could have bit them
and high mortality likelihood
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if you get bit by that.
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Jëan Ross: Well,
you know, Pastor,
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you think of dangerous
animals, you think of a snake,
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you think of those
water snakes, you think of--
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yeah, I don't know,
sharks and other animals but
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a little cute octopus, you don't
think it's deadly [laughs],
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it seems kind of
friendly and nice and,
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you know, people pick it up.
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And yet, it's--you
mentioned before the program,
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it's got enough venom in one
of those--one little octopus,
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that it could kill
multiple individuals?
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Doug: Yeah, 26 people.
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They say it's 1000
times more toxic than arsenic.
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Jëan: Wow. Doug: So yeah.
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Jëan: Very poisonous.
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Doug: Cute, but deadly.
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And it reminds me of that verse
in the Bible where it says that
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Satan can appear
as an angel of light.
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I think when he appeared
to Jesus in the wilderness,
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he didn't appear as a devil
he appeared as an angel sent
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from heaven, and so
that he can deceive;
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he's more effective.
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So, you know, we've got to be
careful because there's a battle
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going on between
good and evil and Satan,
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he can use a
combination of truth and error,
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Dear Father in Heaven,
we thank you once again
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And, Lord, we ask that you would
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of what Your Word says.
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Jesus said we
shall know the truth,
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and the truth will
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in Jesus's name we pray.
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Amen.
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Doug: Amen.
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Jëan: All right.
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Well, we're ready for our
first caller this evening,
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Pastor Doug.
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We got Gary
listening in Illinois.
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Gary, you are on
Bible Answers Live.
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Gary: Thank you.
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In Revelation 13, three unclean
spirits go out of the mouth
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of the dragon, signs that
lead the kings of the Earth
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to gather them to battle on
that great day of God Almighty,
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to a place in the
Hebrew called Armageddon.
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Is one of those signs 2
Corinthians 11 verse 14?
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Satan appears as
an angel of light,
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if not, when does Satan
appear as an angel of light?
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Doug: Okay, good question.
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A little correction, I think
you're quoting Revelation 16
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and I think you
said Revelation 13.
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This is the verse that
talks about Armageddon.
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And the--when it says three
unclean spirits like frogs come
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out of the mouth of the beast,
the dragon or the false prophet
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to go to the kings of the Earth
to deceive them for a battle.
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This is referencing a
story in the Old Testament
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where King Saul was deceived
by evil spirits when he saw
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a witch before a
battle in which he was slain,
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and he actually
committed suicide.
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But um--and so I think there's
illusions to this happening
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there in the Old Testament.
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So, in the future it tells
us that there's going to be
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spiritualism that's going to
be used to deceive the leaders
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of the world into embracing the
teachings of the beast power.
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Now, is that when
Satan impersonates Christ?
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I'd say yes, he's
got to be part of that.
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It's going to be before
the Battle of Armageddon
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because that's when
it's going to do him good,
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it won't do him any
good after the battle.
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Jëan: And of course, Paul
writes that the devil himself
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can be transformed
into an angel of light,
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so he appears as a messenger
from heaven and the devil
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is going to try and impersonate
Christ and maybe perform
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miracles and signs and wonders
and gather together the world
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for this final conflict.
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Now, of course,
the Bible is good news,
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it tells us that at the
end of time there's actually
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a death decree,
that's not the good news,
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a death decree passed against
God's commandment keeping people
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but before it can be enforced,
Jesus comes a second time
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to rescue his people.
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So, those of the seal of God and
they're trusting in the Lord,
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they will be delivered.
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Doug: Yeah, it's
like the book of Esther,
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where there's a death decree
against all of God's people
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and before it's
enacted, they're delivered.
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Yeah.
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Jëan: Okay, very good.
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Well, I think Gary,
we've got another question
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coming from the Book of
Revelation, Steven in Florida.
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Steven, welcome to
Bible Answers Live.
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Steven: Hello,
how are you doing?
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Doug: Doing wonderful.
And your question tonight?
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Steven: I have a
question on the 144,000
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and who they are and how me and
my twin brother can be there?
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Doug; All right, the
144,000 is found in Revelation 7
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and in Revelation 14.
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And as always, one of the keys
to understanding Revelation is
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having a familiarity
with the Old Testament.
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And in the Old Testament,
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Solomon and David divided both
their armies and their priests
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in divisions of 24 and 12.
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And then of course,
Jesus had 12 apostles,
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144,000 is 12 times 12,000.
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So, in the last days, in
the same way that Christ had
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12 apostles, it says
the 144,000 follow the Lamb
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wherever he goes.
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When Jesus came the first
time, 12 apostles followed him
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wherever he went.
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Jesus told the 12
apostles to go to the lost sheep
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of the House of
Israel at his first coming.
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Before his Second
Coming, he's going to have
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12 times 12,000 leaders that
will be doing a special work
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of proclamation
just like the apostles.
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The apostles were not the only
ones that were spirit-filled
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at Pentecost and saved,
just like the 144,000 are not
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the only ones that are saved,
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but they've got a special
mission globally to prepare
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the world for the Second Coming.
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And if you and your
brother follow the Lamb
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wherever he goes,
you can be one of them.
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Jëan: And you know, we
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Thanks for your call, Steven.
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We've got Anthony
listening in New York.
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Anthony, welcome to the program.
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Anthony: Hello,
good evening, pastors.
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Doug: Evening.
Thank you for calling.
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Anthony: Yes, I actually have
several questions or--on this--
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kind of on the same verses.
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But my one question
is, Revelation 19 verse 20,
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well 19 and 20, depicts a
situation where the beast tries
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to make war against Christ,
Who sits on the white horse.
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In verse 20 it says,
"And the beast was taken,
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and with him the false prophet
that wrought miracles before
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him, with which he deceived
them that had received the mark
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of the beast and
them that worshiped his--
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worshipped his image.
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These both were cast alive
into a lake of fire burning
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with brimstone."
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Now, I've always heard
and learned that the beast and
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the false prophet are systems,
so they represent systems.
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So, what I'd like to
know is, practically speaking,
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if the lake of fire,
which we believe is literal--
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before the Millennium, how do--
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how do systems get
cast into the lake of fire?
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Doug: Well, I'll do
my best to explain that.
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In the Bible, it talks about
the devil was cast into the lake
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of fire, but then it
also says, "And his angels."
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So, the devil represents
evil and the opposition.
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He has a system and he's
got followers underneath him.
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Not only is the
devil and his angels thrown
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in the lake of fire, you read
where Jesus said that the goats
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are going to be cast into the
lake of fire that was prepared
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for the devil and his angels.
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So, all the wicked.
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So, when it
talks about the beast,
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it's talking about any
leadership of the beast
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and all the followers along
with it, so they share the fate.
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When Queen Athalia was destroyed
in the Old Testament, it says,
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"And all that follow her."
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So, I think it's just the
beast as you--talking about
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the figurehead, and there
may be a physical figurehead
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of the beast power and a
false prophet, but them talking
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about them and their followers
that would be the system.
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Jëan: And if you look at
the-- the prophetic picture,
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both in the books of
Daniel and Revelation,
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you have for example in Daniel,
you have different beasts that
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represent kingdoms or political
powers which are conquered
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by another kingdom.
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So, that kingdom
would have a king, a leader,
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but also the
citizens of that kingdom.
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So, at the end of time there is
a counterfeit system of worship,
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but it also involves specific
individuals who are leading
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that counterfeit
system of worship.
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Doug: Right.
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Jëan: So that's all
going to come to an end
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as we find it described
in in Revelation chapter 19.
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Doug: Thank you, Anthony.
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Jëan: We've got Brittany
listening in California.
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Brittany,
welcome to the program.
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Brittany: Yeah, I
was wondering for the--
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for the actual, you know,
saved and believing Christian,
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does it really matter if
we study the original Hebrew
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and Greek text like
the original Hebrew?
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Is it fine to just
stick with the translation?
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Doug: Yeah.
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You know, I'd say that
most people that are going to be
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in the kingdom probably did not
speak the original languages.
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So, it's certainly not a
requirement for salvation.
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You know, for some
people, they are given gifts
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where they're more
analytical and they--you know,
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the Lord has raised up
people that are professors
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and teachers that go deeper.
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And I like to get into
the meaning of the Word
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in the original.
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It's very easy now
with computer programs.
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I can click right here on my
computer program and it will not
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only tell me the meaning of the
word in the original language,
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it will pronounce it for me.
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So, there's some great
tools today that even a layman--
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If you--if you
read through the Bible,
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read through and enjoy it
but sometimes if there's a word
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that piques your curiosity,
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you can easily look up that
word on the Internet and say,
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"What's the original
Greek for that, or the Hebrew?"
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And you can expand,
you know, the Bible says,
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"Study to show
yourself approved."
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It's nice, but it's not required
that you can read a Bible
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in another foreign language.
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I would say for a new Christian,
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don't worry about reading
it in the original languages
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until you've read the whole
Bible and you're acquainted
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with the teachings
pretty well because you not only
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want to go deep,
you want to go wide.
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You want to make sure you
get the scope of the Bible story
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before you start
zeroing in on one chapter
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and the original verses.
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Jëan: All right, we got
Junith of listening in Nevada.
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Junith, welcome to
Bible Answers Live.
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Junith: Hello, hello, a
blessed evening to both of you.
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Can you hear me well?
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Doug: Yes.
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Junith: Yes, okay.
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Yes, the gist of my question is
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or is related to verses
Matthew 7:21, James chapter 2,
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verse 10, Revelation 14:9
and Mark chapter 2, verse 28.
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This is what did what or
what does Jesus really mean when
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He says, "Depart from
Me, for I do not know you;
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you are lawless."
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Is this the the interpretation
of the mark of the 666?
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We appreciate your
further explanation.
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Doug: Yeah,
well, the passage there
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in both Matthew and in
James, the emphasis is on those
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that know the Lord that
are listening to his Word.
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He wants us to not only be
hears, but doers of his Word.
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Now, certainly the people that
receive the mark of the beast
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in the end days, they're
not obeying the commandments
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and doing His Word,
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but I want to limit those
verses to that time in history.
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It's at any time in history the
message of Jesus and the message
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of James and the others you
mentioned is basically saying
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God wants us to
not just be hearing,
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but He wants us to be doing.
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So, it says, it's not
everyone that says Lord, Lord,
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but he that does the
will of My Father in heaven,
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and then James, it says
it's not those who just look
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at the mirror,
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but they are seeing the Word.
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They hear the Word
and they walk in Word.
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Jëan: And you know,
we do have a study guide
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that talks about
the mark of the beast.
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Yes, Revelation talks about this
beast power and he has a mark,
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and we'll be happy to send you a
study guide that tells you more.
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It's a it's a deep
study, an important study.
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Just call and ask
for the study guide.
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It's called, "The
Mark of The Beast".
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The number to
call is 800-835-6747
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or again you can dial #250
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and say I want The
Amazing Facts study guide
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called "The Mark of The Beast",
and we'll get in the mail
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and Send it to you.
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We've got James
listening in Tennessee.
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James, welcome to the program.
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James: Thank you very much.
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Doug: Thank you.
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James: Is the
144,000 is that number
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compared to Noah's time, when
there were only eight people
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saved, is that because the
population is so much larger
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now at this time of
the history of the world?
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Doug: Well, there
it's hard to say exactly
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what the population was
at the time of the flood.
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I think many people
believe that it was probably
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much bigger than
you might expect.
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When you look at the
life expectancy of the people
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that were living before Noah,
they were living centuries,
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and ostensibly
they were procreating.
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God said, be
fruitful and multiply.
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They were very
healthy in their virility,
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and they may have
had very big families.
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And you do the math and there
could have been a billion people
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in the world back then.
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So we don't know.
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It's hard to to guess.
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But in the last days when
it says that there's 144,000,
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we don't believe they
are the only ones saved.
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You know, right now there are
approximately 8 billion people
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in the world, and I did
it on a calculator one time
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and I think if only
144,000 people out of 8 billion
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are saved, that
means your chances are
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about one and 50,000.
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Which could be discouraging.
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It's, you know, it's
better than the lottery,
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but it's it's still not great,
but I don't think the 144,000
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are the only
ones that are saved.
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I think when Jesus comes, he's
not coming for 8:00 or 10 people
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and it's going to
look like a failure.
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I think he's going to
have a a great trophy of people
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that have trusted him.
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So will it be the minority?
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Yes, it'll be smaller.
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It's--broad road is
the one to destruction;
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the narrow gate and few
that find it is the one to life
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because few you
are looking for it.
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But you may also enjoy
the book on the 144,000.
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Jëan: Yeah, all you have to
do is just call and ask for it.
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The number to
call: 800-835-6747.
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Ask for the book on the
144,000, we'll send it to you.
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You know, Pastor Doug,
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I also think that perhaps
God waited until the last moment
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when there was just
eight righteous people left
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at the time of Noah and
his mercy wanted to give people
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as much time as possible.
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And as you mentioned,
they probably were others
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that were saved
just prior to the flood.
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They might have died.
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Yeah, some great
patriarchs of the Old Testament
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and their influence.
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But at the time of the flood,
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there were just
eight righteous people.
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Now, according
to Bible prophecy,
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before Jesus comes the gospel
gets preached to the world,
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and it'll be more than
eight that received the message,
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but it's small in comparison
to the world population.
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Okay, well,
thanks for your call.
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We've got who do we have?
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We've got Anna
listening in Oregon.
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Anna, welcome to
Bible Answers Live.
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Anna: Hi.
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Doug: Hi.
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Anna: My question is,
from the 9th Commandment
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about not lying.
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So, I have a nurse friend
who works at a retirement home,
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and we were talking
about how the doctors tell
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the nurses to basically
lie to the dementia patients,
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and the doctors tell everyone
to basically lie to them
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because it upsets them too much.
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So, I was wondering,
is that considered lying?
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Doug: Well, like,
yeah, no, I understand.
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I think what you're
asking is, you got a patient,
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and sometimes they
might be asking a question.
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They've got enough
knowledge to comprehend,
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but they're
struggling with dementia.
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Their prognosis may be bad.
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And if you tell them
that, they get very stressed
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and it makes things worse.
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And so, you try
and put a positive spin
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on what you're saying to them
and at that point, you know,
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it might not even be truthful.
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You know, I never
think it's right to lie.
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I think sometimes,
like with children,
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they might be asking you
questions about the birds
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and the bees, and
they're too young for you
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to explain everything to them.
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And so, you share
things in a in a gentle way,
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but you never lie to them.
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You know, I don't think
you should tell your kids
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that Santa Claus is the
one who's bringing the presents
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and deceive them in any way.
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Jesus said to the disciples,
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there's many things
I have to say to you,
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but you cannot bear them now.
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So, even Christ knew that
truth must be shared at a speed
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that people can digest it,
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and I think you know,
a good doctor has ways
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of not disturbing a patient,
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but not lying to them.
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I can't ever think of a
scenario where God would say
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it's okay to lie.
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Jëan: Yeah, very good.
You know, it is a challenge.
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I think with work with
dementia patients in particular,
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you got to be
tactful, pray for wisdom.
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You might have to explain things
in a very simple child like
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manner and maybe emphasize
the positive part of it.
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But you want to be
honest in all your dealings.
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Doug: Yeah.
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Jëan: So pray
for wisdom on that.
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Next caller that we have is
Lilly listening from California,
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Lilia or Leila?
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Welcome.
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Lila, welcome to the program.
00:21:07.00\00:21:08.70
Lila: Oh, thank you. Hi pastors.
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My name is Lila.
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Jëan: Lila, welcome, Lila.
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Lila: Thank you.
00:21:16.47\00:21:18.47
And I live in
Fresno, California.
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My question is: is
Jesus fully divine?
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Because I heard the
pastor saying that He's not
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fully divine
because He will be--
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He is always and will be always
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under the command
of God the Father.
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What does that mean?
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Doug: Well, I don't
know exactly what the pastor
00:21:46.33\00:21:48.30
was thinking, and I
don't want to, you know,
00:21:48.34\00:21:50.44
put words in his mouth.
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But I'll tell you
what the Bible says
00:21:51.81\00:21:53.71
is that Jesus is fully divine,
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divine meaning
holy, He is God the Son.
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You don't get
any higher than God.
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Now, there is God
the Father, God the Son,
00:22:03.32\00:22:04.95
and God the Holy Spirit,
00:22:04.99\00:22:06.29
but all three of them are
co-eternal, self-sustaining,
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and They have--Jesus
said He's from everlasting
00:22:12.76\00:22:15.23
to everlasting,
00:22:15.26\00:22:16.87
And, you know, while
Christ became a human
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and He has ever
associated with humans,
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He has not lost His divinity.
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So you know, Jesus
is the Word made flesh.
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He's the Alpha and the Omega,
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the beginning and the
end, all things that were made,
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were made by Him,
and the Bible says
00:22:33.55\00:22:35.82
in the beginning God created
the heavens and the Earth
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and Jesus is God the Son.
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Jëan: Absolutely.
00:22:41.09\00:22:42.59
And of course, there's a
whole study guide that talks
00:22:42.62\00:22:44.69
about the
Godhead, and it's called,
00:22:44.73\00:22:47.03
"The Trinity: Is It Biblical?"
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It's one of our books
00:22:48.96\00:22:50.27
Doug: Yep.
00:22:50.30\00:22:51.60
I think the new
version is: "One God or Three?"
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Jëan: "One God or Three?" Okay.
00:22:52.97\00:22:54.44
I was wondering about
that If we changed the name.
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"One God or Three?"
00:22:55.80\00:22:57.04
is then the name of the book,
and just call and ask for it.
00:22:57.07\00:22:58.97
You can dial #250
on your smartphone
00:22:59.01\00:23:01.78
or 1-800-835-6747
and you ask for the book
00:23:01.81\00:23:07.58
on the Trinity
called, "One God or Three?"
00:23:07.62\00:23:10.32
We'll be happy to send it
to anyone who calls and asks.
00:23:10.35\00:23:12.75
Glenn listening in Ohio.
Glenn, welcome to the program.
00:23:12.79\00:23:17.66
Glenn: Thank you,
pastors, for taking my call.
00:23:17.69\00:23:19.53
Doug: Certainly.
00:23:20.23\00:23:21.96
Glenn: Many pastors realize
that folks leaving the alter
00:23:22.00\00:23:25.17
of the confessions believe that
00:23:25.20\00:23:27.04
they have been
saved and born again
00:23:27.07\00:23:30.54
but not realizing the tremendous
responsibility they have
00:23:30.57\00:23:34.01
of enduring to the end
so that they can be saved,
00:23:34.04\00:23:38.15
can be born
again by a resurrection
00:23:38.18\00:23:40.28
like He was so they can
see and enter the Kingdom,
00:23:40.32\00:23:43.85
but also receive the
gift of everlasting life
00:23:43.89\00:23:47.49
all eternally
secure at this time.
00:23:47.52\00:23:49.86
And the question
comes out of out of 1 John,
00:23:51.29\00:23:54.93
1 John 5:18 says,
He who is did not owe--
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or born of God does not sin.
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Some translations go so
far as to say cannot sin.
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Well, I think we all
agree that there's only One
00:24:07.11\00:24:09.14
that meets that criteria,
00:24:09.18\00:24:11.38
and that puts the rest of us
on the other side of the ledger,
00:24:11.41\00:24:14.88
where John says in 18B,
00:24:14.92\00:24:17.92
"But he who is begotten
of God, keepeth himself,
00:24:17.95\00:24:21.09
that the evil
will touch him not."
00:24:21.12\00:24:23.12
And my question is that:
What did John mean when he said,
00:24:23.16\00:24:30.27
"Keep himself that the
evil will touch him not"?
00:24:30.30\00:24:33.00
And does 1 John 5:9--
00:24:33.03\00:24:35.44
I'm sorry.
00:24:35.47\00:24:36.77
1 John 1:9 have
anything to do with that?
00:24:36.81\00:24:38.94
Thank you.
00:24:38.97\00:24:40.28
Doug: All right.
Thank you very much.
00:24:40.31\00:24:42.04
I appreciate that, Glenn.
00:24:42.08\00:24:43.58
You know, Jesus
prayed for the apostles,
00:24:43.61\00:24:46.75
and He told Peter, He says,
"Satan has desired to have you,
00:24:46.78\00:24:50.09
that he might sift you as wheat,
00:24:50.12\00:24:51.89
but I prayed for you
that your faith fail not."
00:24:51.92\00:24:55.46
And then, Pastor Ross might
find the other verse for me.
00:24:55.49\00:24:57.93
But in Jesus's
intercessory prayer,
00:24:57.96\00:25:00.13
I think it's in
John chapter 17, He said,
00:25:00.16\00:25:02.80
"Father, keep them
that You have given me."
00:25:02.83\00:25:06.67
So, it's using the same
phrase from the same author.
00:25:06.70\00:25:09.80
Jëan: John 17:11.
00:25:09.84\00:25:11.44
Doug: Want to read that for us?
00:25:11.47\00:25:12.77
Jëan: Yes, it says, "Now
I'm no longer in the world,
00:25:12.81\00:25:14.78
but these are in the world,
00:25:14.81\00:25:16.11
And I come to You.
00:25:16.14\00:25:17.45
Holy Father,
Keep through Your name
00:25:17.48\00:25:19.61
those whom You have given to Me
00:25:19.65\00:25:21.45
that they may be one as We are."
00:25:21.48\00:25:23.49
Doug: Yeah.
00:25:23.82\00:25:25.12
So, when Jesus is
praying for the apostles that
00:25:25.15\00:25:26.45
they might be kept, and he
meant being kept from evil and
00:25:26.49\00:25:29.62
kept from falling or being lost,
and that same keeping power,
00:25:29.66\00:25:34.36
you know, the Lord
makes available still to those
00:25:34.36\00:25:36.26
that are born again.
00:25:36.30\00:25:37.60
So, you're on the
right track, Glenn.
00:25:37.63\00:25:39.50
That Jesus, He can't
keep us from the evil one.
00:25:39.53\00:25:43.67
And the Bible says
greater is He that is in you
00:25:43.71\00:25:47.01
than he that is in the world.
00:25:47.04\00:25:48.61
So, the Lord certainly
can save us and keep us.
00:25:48.64\00:25:51.61
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Allen is
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Allen, welcome to the program.
00:30:39.33\00:30:40.90
Allen: Thank you,
Pastors, for taking my call.
00:30:42.14\00:30:44.24
My question is about when
Jesus was first resurrected
00:30:44.27\00:30:48.58
and Mary Magdalene came
across Him and He said to her,
00:30:48.61\00:30:52.95
"Do not cling to
Me," in John 20:17.
00:30:52.98\00:30:56.12
Well, in Matthew 28:9
the disciples came across Him
00:30:56.15\00:31:00.72
and He had just risen,
and they held Him by his feet
00:31:00.76\00:31:04.19
and there was no--said--no
saying not to touch Him in that.
00:31:04.23\00:31:08.86
I was wondering
why she was asked
00:31:08.90\00:31:11.37
not to touch Him in particular.
00:31:11.40\00:31:13.40
Doug: Good question,
you're paying attention.
00:31:13.97\00:31:16.37
In the Gospel of John,
John is telling about when Mary
00:31:16.40\00:31:20.54
is the first to see Him, before
he has ascended to the Father,
00:31:20.58\00:31:25.45
and had His sacrifice declared
sufficient and victorious.
00:31:25.48\00:31:30.22
Then He comes back down
to earth the same afternoon,
00:31:30.25\00:31:33.02
and the rest of
the apostles see Him,
00:31:33.05\00:31:34.79
and he says, "Now, all hail."
00:31:34.82\00:31:37.39
So, he tells Mary, He
says, "I've not yet ascended
00:31:37.43\00:31:40.50
to the Father, but go to My
brethren and tell them I ascend
00:31:40.53\00:31:43.06
to My God, your God,
My Father, your Father."
00:31:43.10\00:31:45.63
And so, she runs to tell
the others and then there's
00:31:45.67\00:31:50.44
an interval of time between
that and when He shows Himself
00:31:50.47\00:31:54.21
to the disciples, because
He doesn't see to the disciples
00:31:54.24\00:31:56.51
until He's in the
room, if I'm not mistaken.
00:31:56.54\00:31:59.05
So, it's not at the
tomb, it's in the room,
00:31:59.08\00:32:01.65
when they're the rest of the--
let me see here, backing up.
00:32:01.68\00:32:05.45
She went there--
00:32:05.49\00:32:06.79
"So they went out
quickly from the tomb with fear
00:32:06.82\00:32:08.16
and great joy and
ran to His disciples.
00:32:08.19\00:32:10.46
And as they went
to tell His disciples,
00:32:10.49\00:32:12.06
Jesus met them,
saying, "Rejoice!"
00:32:12.09\00:32:14.00
They came and
held Him by the feet."
00:32:14.03\00:32:15.63
Yes, so this is
later, when this happens,
00:32:15.66\00:32:19.63
there's an interval.
00:32:19.67\00:32:20.97
Thank you.
00:32:21.00\00:32:22.30
Jëan: Very good
and good observation.
00:32:22.34\00:32:23.64
Alright, next call that we have
is Jerry listening in Texas.
00:32:23.67\00:32:25.67
Jerry, welcome to the program.
00:32:25.71\00:32:28.68
Jerry: Good
evening, salaam alaikum.
00:32:28.71\00:32:31.31
Doug: Evening.
00:32:31.35\00:32:32.65
Jerry: This is Jerry from Texas,
00:32:32.68\00:32:33.98
and I have a Bible
question on Revelation 4:4.
00:32:34.02\00:32:39.02
There are couple
different scenarios
00:32:39.05\00:32:41.22
that different
pastors attribute to.
00:32:41.26\00:32:43.96
One Bible commenter says that
the 24 elders on the throne.
00:32:43.99\00:32:51.87
This one Bible commentators
said they were from--
00:32:51.90\00:32:55.04
the beings from unfallen worlds,
00:32:55.07\00:32:57.57
and the other
half of the equation,
00:32:57.61\00:33:00.84
some of the pastors say,
it was some of the saints
00:33:00.88\00:33:04.18
who were risen with Christ.
00:33:04.21\00:33:06.25
Can I have your guys take on it?
00:33:06.28\00:33:08.48
Doug: I think Pastor Ross
and I on the same page that
00:33:08.52\00:33:10.45
these are likely representatives
from unfallen worlds, that it--
00:33:10.49\00:33:17.33
because you read in Job,
where it says there's a day
00:33:17.36\00:33:19.23
when the sons of God
came to present themselves
00:33:19.26\00:33:21.26
before the Lord.
00:33:21.30\00:33:22.60
Well, that's before the
resurrection in Matthew 28.
00:33:22.63\00:33:25.37
And so, he had some
kind of concourse with
00:33:25.40\00:33:31.14
the leaders in heaven, it's
not in heaven, it's somewhere.
00:33:31.17\00:33:35.11
Because Satan is not
allowed to go to heaven,
00:33:35.14\00:33:37.25
and it says
Satan came among them.
00:33:37.28\00:33:38.95
So, I think the--
probably the 24 elders,
00:33:38.98\00:33:42.42
in the same way
on Earth, you know,
00:33:42.45\00:33:44.59
Solomon and David often had
12 or 24 judges around them.
00:33:44.62\00:33:48.66
That they're modeling
what happens in heaven,
00:33:48.69\00:33:51.79
where God has
leaders from unfallen worlds.
00:33:51.83\00:33:55.33
Jëan: Yeah, and if
you look at the context
00:33:57.63\00:33:58.93
of Revelation 4
and 5, Revelation 4,
00:33:58.97\00:34:01.47
you have a description
of the heavenly throne room,
00:34:01.50\00:34:03.51
and God is seated upon
the throne, God the Father.
00:34:03.54\00:34:06.14
He talks about the 24
elders surrounding the throne.
00:34:06.17\00:34:08.68
Jesus does not
appear until chapter 5,
00:34:08.71\00:34:11.25
and then He appears
before the throne as the Lamb,
00:34:11.28\00:34:13.08
as it had been slain.
00:34:13.11\00:34:14.42
So, in chapter 4, you
got a picture of heaven,
00:34:14.45\00:34:16.52
this is even before
the ascension of Jesus.
00:34:16.55\00:34:18.75
And those who were
resurrected at the time
00:34:18.79\00:34:20.56
of Christ's resurrection,
well they ascended up
00:34:20.59\00:34:23.02
with Jesus when He ascended,
00:34:23.06\00:34:25.43
and there were
the 24 elders already,
00:34:25.46\00:34:27.50
prior to this in heaven.
00:34:27.50\00:34:29.36
And of course, Isaiah
has an interesting verse,
00:34:29.40\00:34:31.13
this is the Old
Testament, Isaiah 24:23 says,
00:34:31.17\00:34:33.90
"The Lord shall rule
before His elders, gloriously."
00:34:33.94\00:34:37.61
So, we even have a reference
to the elders in Isaiah,
00:34:37.64\00:34:39.87
in the Old Testament, and
then as pastor Doug mentioned,
00:34:39.91\00:34:42.31
the sons of God or
the representatives
00:34:42.34\00:34:44.25
of these unfallen worlds.
00:34:44.28\00:34:45.68
So, I think there's
good evidence to support
00:34:45.71\00:34:47.72
the idea that there
are these representatives
00:34:47.75\00:34:49.65
from these unfallen worlds,
and the devil claimed to be
00:34:49.68\00:34:51.95
the representative of earth.
00:34:51.99\00:34:53.69
But, of course, now Jesus is
our representative in heaven.
00:34:53.72\00:34:56.89
Doug: So, these are UFOs
the governments hiding from us,
00:34:56.93\00:34:59.36
these unfallen worlds.
00:34:59.39\00:35:01.36
That's a different question,
we're not gonna answer that.
00:35:01.40\00:35:03.26
Jëan: Investigation on that.
00:35:03.30\00:35:04.60
Alright, thank you, Jerry.
00:35:04.63\00:35:05.93
We got Mark in Hawaii.
00:35:05.97\00:35:07.47
Mark, welcome to the program.
00:35:07.50\00:35:11.37
Mark: Thank you
for taking my call.
00:35:11.41\00:35:13.41
Just got a quick
question on Revelation 13:11.
00:35:13.44\00:35:18.61
The interpretation I have heard
is that this beast starts out
00:35:18.65\00:35:23.92
with the attributes of
the lamb and at some point,
00:35:23.95\00:35:28.52
it transitions to the attributes
of the dragon with a simple
00:35:28.56\00:35:32.76
reading of the
track, excuse me, the text,
00:35:32.79\00:35:35.80
it seems to indicate that
it's more like a dual nature.
00:35:35.83\00:35:38.97
That it always had the
horns like a lamb and speak
00:35:39.00\00:35:42.34
like a dragon.
00:35:42.37\00:35:43.74
Is there
something in the translation
00:35:43.77\00:35:45.27
from the original text
that would indicate it had
00:35:45.31\00:35:48.38
a changing nature
rather than a dual nature?
00:35:48.41\00:35:51.65
Doug: That's a good question,
and I don't want to pretend
00:35:51.68\00:35:54.92
that I know on
the tip of my tongue
00:35:54.95\00:35:57.09
what it's saying in
the original Greek there,
00:35:57.12\00:35:58.92
because I haven't
looked at that in while.
00:35:58.95\00:36:00.99
My thought is that the
way Revelation is written,
00:36:01.02\00:36:04.63
Pastor Ross might
have more on this.
00:36:04.66\00:36:07.40
The thought is that the
way Revelation is written,
00:36:07.40\00:36:10.53
things can happen in sequence,
where you read it in one verse,
00:36:10.57\00:36:15.47
but the space between the first
part of the verse and the second
00:36:15.50\00:36:18.17
part of the verse could be
hundreds of thousands of years.
00:36:18.21\00:36:21.01
So, when it says it
speaks two horns like a lamb,
00:36:21.04\00:36:24.58
and many believe that this
second beast is representing
00:36:24.61\00:36:27.82
the United States of America.
00:36:27.85\00:36:30.65
They'd began with
lamb-like qualities: foundation
00:36:30.69\00:36:33.89
on the Word, wanting to have
a city on a hill, freedom of--
00:36:33.92\00:36:37.46
you know,
ultimately, freedom of religion,
00:36:37.49\00:36:40.13
and the two horns were
a country without a king
00:36:40.16\00:36:44.63
and a church without a Pope.
00:36:44.67\00:36:47.07
So, there was
freedom of religion
00:36:47.10\00:36:49.87
and freedom of citizenship.
00:36:49.90\00:36:52.01
And--but it ends up speaking
like a dragon in the end,
00:36:52.04\00:36:56.64
where it turns
from those things.
00:36:56.68\00:36:59.11
Jëan: Yeah, and if you
look at the specifics there,
00:36:59.15\00:37:00.68
it talks about speaking
like a dragon and we know
00:37:00.72\00:37:03.18
a nation speaks by its laws.
00:37:03.22\00:37:05.12
So even though it has
these two lamb-like principles,
00:37:05.15\00:37:08.02
as Pastor Doug
mentioned, which sort of formed
00:37:08.06\00:37:09.76
the foundation of the
government of the United States.
00:37:09.79\00:37:12.36
The time comes when it passes
laws that actually contradict
00:37:12.39\00:37:15.70
the foundational
principles of religious freedom
00:37:15.73\00:37:18.83
and personal
freedoms that we find.
00:37:18.87\00:37:21.64
So, it's a transition.
00:37:21.67\00:37:23.30
It begins like a
lamb, but it makes laws,
00:37:23.34\00:37:26.51
at some point that
reflect more of the dragon,
00:37:26.54\00:37:29.28
that restricts
religious worship.
00:37:29.31\00:37:30.95
You know, we do
have a study guide called
00:37:30.98\00:37:33.25
"The US in Bible Prophecy,"
00:37:33.28\00:37:35.52
and it gets into
the details of this.
00:37:35.55\00:37:37.95
We'll be happy to send it
to anyone who calls and asks.
00:37:37.99\00:37:39.59
The number to call
for that is 800-835-6747.
00:37:39.62\00:37:43.43
Again, you can just dial
#250 with your smartphone,
00:37:43.46\00:37:46.83
say Amazing Facts
or Bible Answers Live
00:37:46.86\00:37:49.36
and ask for that
study guide, it's called,
00:37:49.40\00:37:50.83
"The US in Bible Prophecy."
00:37:50.87\00:37:52.87
Doug: In fact, Pastor
Ross, I think we also have
00:37:52.90\00:37:54.40
a brand-new magazine
with a similar title.
00:37:54.44\00:37:57.27
Is it America--
00:37:57.31\00:37:58.61
Jëan: "America in
Prophecy" I think it is.
00:37:58.64\00:37:59.94
Doug: Yeah, so, we
don't want to confuse you,
00:38:00.04\00:38:01.41
but those of you who may
have already seen the lesson,
00:38:01.44\00:38:03.78
you may check out the magazine.
00:38:03.81\00:38:05.45
Jëan: And the
magazine, I think is bigger
00:38:05.48\00:38:06.78
and it's got--it's expanded,
it's a great read, great study.
00:38:06.82\00:38:10.32
So, take advantage of that.
00:38:10.35\00:38:12.39
Alright, next caller
that we have is Thomas,
00:38:12.42\00:38:14.69
listening in Oklahoma.
00:38:14.72\00:38:16.12
Thomas, welcome to the program.
00:38:16.16\00:38:18.23
Thomas: I have a question
for Exodus 35:3 and they say,
00:38:18.26\00:38:23.23
"Do not light a fire
in any of your dwellings
00:38:23.26\00:38:26.67
on the Sabbath day."
00:38:26.70\00:38:29.87
But in my church, they
say, we can--do light a fire
00:38:29.90\00:38:35.81
on the Sabbath day, but
this verse says otherwise.
00:38:35.84\00:38:40.65
Doug: Yeah, well, of course,
I believe what the Bible says.
00:38:40.68\00:38:43.15
Now, when it says kindle
a fire, that doesn't mean
00:38:43.18\00:38:45.42
you can't have a fire.
00:38:45.45\00:38:47.59
Keep in mind, the children of
Israel going through the desert,
00:38:47.62\00:38:51.59
they didn't really
need a fire for heat.
00:38:51.63\00:38:54.00
And they didn't
need a fire for cooking,
00:38:54.00\00:38:56.87
because God told them, He says,
"Bake what you're going to bake,
00:38:56.90\00:39:00.94
and boil what you're
going to boil on Friday."
00:39:00.97\00:39:04.14
And He said, "I'm going to
give you twice as much manna
00:39:04.17\00:39:05.97
on Friday, so you can rest."
00:39:06.01\00:39:08.14
Kindling a fire
for us right now,
00:39:08.18\00:39:10.18
I mean, if you
turn on your stove,
00:39:10.21\00:39:12.18
there's really no
work or labor involved.
00:39:12.21\00:39:14.68
Kindling a fire is
different from having a fire.
00:39:14.72\00:39:17.82
If you started a fire on
Friday and you kept it burning,
00:39:17.85\00:39:21.12
you're not kindling a fire.
00:39:21.16\00:39:22.86
Kindling a fire was
often rubbing sticks together,
00:39:22.89\00:39:25.49
it was pretty labor
intensive and Bible times.
00:39:25.53\00:39:28.13
And so, it's
basically not starting the fire.
00:39:28.16\00:39:31.93
I know I heard one preacher say,
oh, you can't drive to church
00:39:31.97\00:39:35.87
on the Sabbath because every
time your spark plug fires,
00:39:35.90\00:39:39.31
you're breaking the commandment.
00:39:39.34\00:39:41.31
Well, that's not what
Moses is talking about.
00:39:41.34\00:39:43.51
And then, you know,
there's some people,
00:39:43.55\00:39:45.35
they take this way too far.
00:39:45.38\00:39:46.88
And in Christ's
time in Jerusalem,
00:39:46.92\00:39:48.22
they had fires in
their dwellings to stay warm
00:39:48.25\00:39:50.45
on the Sabbath.
00:39:50.49\00:39:51.79
The practice was: they'd
start the fire the day before,
00:39:51.82\00:39:55.29
so they didn't have to go
00:39:55.32\00:39:56.62
through the
labor of kindling it.
00:39:56.66\00:39:58.23
Jëan: And the practicality
of that is in the desert,
00:39:58.26\00:40:00.33
there's not a whole lot of wood.
00:40:00.36\00:40:01.93
So, to gather wood for a fire,
especially if you're going to do
00:40:01.96\00:40:04.57
it on the
Sabbath, that's a big job.
00:40:04.60\00:40:06.23
You'd have to go out
from the camp and gather
00:40:06.27\00:40:08.40
what you could and all that
had to be done during the week,
00:40:08.44\00:40:10.94
and the Sabbath
was a day of rest.
00:40:10.97\00:40:13.11
Doug: Yeah, and matter of fact,
00:40:13.14\00:40:14.44
Pastor Ross, if
I'm not mistaken,
00:40:14.48\00:40:15.78
this command is given in
connection with an experience
00:40:15.81\00:40:19.78
where a man was caught
gathering wood and they said,
00:40:19.81\00:40:22.18
what do we do with him?
00:40:22.22\00:40:23.55
So, he said, look, you know, you
don't need to gather wood and
00:40:23.59\00:40:25.69
kindle a fire on the Sabbath,
it's kind of the two together.
00:40:25.72\00:40:28.46
Jëan: Okay, very
good, good question.
00:40:28.49\00:40:30.29
Lee, in Texas.
00:40:30.33\00:40:31.93
Lee, welcome to the program.
00:40:31.96\00:40:34.83
Lee: Yes, sir, hi.
00:40:34.86\00:40:36.26
My question is--that
is the Pope the Antichrist
00:40:36.30\00:40:40.84
because he
speaks for the papacy?
00:40:40.87\00:40:43.34
I know he's the man of
sin, but does he change
00:40:43.37\00:40:45.44
into the Antichrist being that
he is speaking for the papacy?
00:40:45.47\00:40:49.74
Doug: Well, now before
I answer that question,
00:40:49.78\00:40:51.71
I want to preface and say:
All the Protestant reformers,
00:40:51.75\00:40:56.52
and listen carefully,
not only Martin Luther,
00:40:56.55\00:40:59.29
John Calvin, John Wesley,
John Knox, George Whitfield,
00:40:59.32\00:41:07.00
Charles Wesley,
00:41:07.03\00:41:09.23
they all said, and
what's the-- Wickliffe, Kramer,
00:41:09.26\00:41:16.14
and many of them
were Catholic priests
00:41:16.17\00:41:18.11
as they started.
00:41:18.14\00:41:19.44
They all said the office
of the Pope is the Antichrist,
00:41:19.47\00:41:23.51
and what they meant was
when you start putting a man
00:41:23.55\00:41:26.05
in the position of God or saying
that he is the vicar for Christ
00:41:26.08\00:41:30.19
on earth, which is really
the work of the Holy Spirit,
00:41:30.22\00:41:32.42
they believed that
was the Antichrist.
00:41:32.45\00:41:34.22
So, when we say this, I
just want folks to know--
00:41:34.26\00:41:36.49
some folks are shocked
and that's what Protestants
00:41:36.52\00:41:38.79
traditionally
taught, and we still believe.
00:41:38.83\00:41:41.50
Now, there are--
don't misunderstand,
00:41:41.53\00:41:44.23
listening friends,
there are just wonderful,
00:41:44.27\00:41:46.10
spiritful, lovely
people in every church,
00:41:46.13\00:41:48.44
including the Catholic Church,
but the system that evolved into
00:41:48.47\00:41:54.01
the present day Roman Catholic
Church is anti-Christian
00:41:54.04\00:41:58.78
in its teachings.
00:41:58.81\00:42:01.08
And that was the-- what caused
00:42:01.12\00:42:02.55
the whole
Protestant Reformation.
00:42:02.58\00:42:04.45
Jëan: And you know
what's interesting Pastor Doug,
00:42:04.49\00:42:05.79
the official
position of the Roman Church
00:42:05.82\00:42:07.72
or the Catholic Church,
as far as their doctrines go,
00:42:07.76\00:42:10.03
they haven't changed.
00:42:10.06\00:42:11.49
Now, of course, attitudes have
changed towards Catholicism,
00:42:11.53\00:42:14.40
and you find even Protestants
now reinterpreting some
00:42:14.46\00:42:17.33
of their original understanding
of prophecy to kind of soften
00:42:17.37\00:42:20.94
what they believe.
00:42:20.97\00:42:22.27
But as far as the
actual Catholic Church,
00:42:22.30\00:42:24.51
they haven't changed their
position and their understanding
00:42:24.54\00:42:27.18
of the role and the
significance and the importance,
00:42:27.21\00:42:29.71
the infallibility of the
Roman Pontiff, or the Pope,
00:42:29.74\00:42:32.65
so it is interesting
when you look at that history.
00:42:32.68\00:42:35.38
Doug: Now, there was something--
I think I found it just in time.
00:42:35.42\00:42:39.15
Folks might be shocked to
know that the first person,
00:42:39.19\00:42:42.42
or one of the earliest
people who said that the Pope--
00:42:42.46\00:42:46.80
the office of
Pope was Antichrist was
00:42:46.83\00:42:49.00
Pope Gregory the Great.
00:42:49.03\00:42:51.80
And so, here--and
he lived 540 to 604,
00:42:51.83\00:42:55.74
he was the last four of the
original Doctors of the Church.
00:42:55.77\00:42:58.21
He wrote, "I confidently affirm
that whoever calls himself
00:42:58.24\00:43:02.21
the universal bishop or
desires to be so-called,
00:43:02.24\00:43:05.11
in his pride, is a
forerunner of Antichrist.
00:43:05.15\00:43:07.98
That's an exact
quote from a Pope.
00:43:08.02\00:43:10.25
So, this is not a new statement.
00:43:10.29\00:43:14.49
Some people are shocked,
always, here for the first time.
00:43:14.52\00:43:16.32
Jëan: And during some of
the history of the Roman church,
00:43:16.36\00:43:18.49
there were times when there
were conflicting Popes claiming
00:43:18.53\00:43:21.30
to be the true Pope.
00:43:21.33\00:43:22.63
Doug: They're
calling the other the--
00:43:22.66\00:43:24.03
they're both saying the
other was the Antichrist.
00:43:24.07\00:43:26.00
Jëan: Alright,
well, thank you, Lee.
00:43:26.03\00:43:27.50
You know, we do have a study
guide that talks about this,
00:43:27.54\00:43:29.37
and it's called,
"Who Is the Antichrist?"
00:43:29.40\00:43:32.04
and we'll be happy to send
it to anyone who calls and asks.
00:43:32.07\00:43:34.31
The number is 800-835-6747
and you can just dial #250
00:43:34.34\00:43:40.15
on your smartphone,
say Bible Answers Live,
00:43:40.18\00:43:42.18
ask for the study
guide, it's called,
00:43:42.22\00:43:44.12
"Who Is the Antichrist?"
00:43:44.15\00:43:45.45
We've got Andrew
listening in Kansas.
00:43:45.49\00:43:46.92
Andrew, welcome to the program.
00:43:46.96\00:43:49.12
Andrew: Hello pastors.
00:43:49.16\00:43:50.46
Doug: Hi, thanks for calling.
00:43:50.49\00:43:52.43
Andrew: So, my question
is the angel--who was the one
00:43:52.46\00:43:55.73
that was in the pillar?
00:43:55.76\00:43:57.37
The pillar of
cloud in the wilderness,
00:43:57.40\00:44:01.04
on that night He
was a pillar of fire?
00:44:01.07\00:44:03.97
Was that God the Father
or was that God the Son?
00:44:04.01\00:44:07.21
Doug: Well,
typically it is God the Son,
00:44:07.24\00:44:10.91
of the three
members of the Godhead,
00:44:10.95\00:44:12.58
it is God the Son who
is the link or the mediator
00:44:12.61\00:44:15.88
between God the Father and man.
00:44:15.92\00:44:17.92
And if you read in 1
Corinthians chapter 10, Paul,
00:44:17.95\00:44:21.26
describing the
wilderness experience,
00:44:21.29\00:44:23.09
he says Christ was the
Rock and Christ is the bread,
00:44:23.12\00:44:27.36
Christ is the water, and so,
we believe that it is Christ,
00:44:27.40\00:44:33.23
you know, God the Son
that was in the wilderness--
00:44:33.27\00:44:36.94
the word angel there
just means messenger,
00:44:36.97\00:44:39.61
of course, God--
Jesus is not an angel,
00:44:39.64\00:44:41.54
like a cherub or
seraphim, Jesus is God the Son,
00:44:41.58\00:44:44.35
but uses the word, "the angel
of the Lord" or "the messenger."
00:44:44.38\00:44:47.62
Jëan: And you know another
story that connects that is,
00:44:47.65\00:44:49.25
Jesus said to Nathaniel, He
referred to the story of Jacob,
00:44:49.28\00:44:53.62
when he saw the ladder
coming out from heaven.
00:44:53.66\00:44:55.96
He says, after this you
shall see angels ascending
00:44:55.99\00:44:58.69
and descending
upon the Son of Man.
00:44:58.73\00:45:00.63
So, the ladder that
connected earth and heaven,
00:45:00.66\00:45:02.50
Jesus, likened to Himself.
00:45:02.53\00:45:04.43
So, He is the intermediate
between heaven and earth,
00:45:04.47\00:45:06.80
and again, Jesus said, no
man has come down from heaven,
00:45:06.84\00:45:09.87
or ascended up into
heaven and come down except He,
00:45:09.90\00:45:12.77
that has come down from
heaven, meaning Himself.
00:45:12.81\00:45:15.14
So, Jesus is the one
that came down from heaven
00:45:15.18\00:45:17.28
and has
connected earth and heaven.
00:45:17.31\00:45:19.48
Doug: Another good verse on
that is where it says the angel
00:45:19.51\00:45:22.42
of the Lord met with Joshua,
and He says take the shoes
00:45:22.45\00:45:25.29
off your feet
because this is holy ground,
00:45:25.32\00:45:27.46
and he worships.
00:45:27.49\00:45:28.79
Well, you only worship
God, you don't worship an angel.
00:45:28.82\00:45:31.96
Jëan: Okay, very good.
00:45:31.99\00:45:33.29
Next caller that we
have is Steve in Oregon.
00:45:33.33\00:45:35.23
Steve, welcome to
Bible Answers Live.
00:45:35.26\00:45:38.83
Steve: Yes, thank
you for taking my call,
00:45:38.87\00:45:41.30
and I'm calling in reference
to chapter 10 in Daniel,
00:45:41.34\00:45:46.24
which it says that Daniel
had been in prayer for, like,
00:45:46.27\00:45:50.91
21 days, and the angel was
delayed by the prince of Persia
00:45:50.95\00:45:57.19
and his response
to come to Daniel.
00:45:57.22\00:46:02.66
And just who was
the prince of Persia
00:46:02.69\00:46:05.29
and how can one of God's angels
00:46:05.33\00:46:07.60
be delayed by three weeks?
00:46:07.60\00:46:11.47
Doug: Yeah, it's--well when
it says the prince of Persia,
00:46:11.50\00:46:13.64
keep in mind what
you're dealing with here
00:46:13.67\00:46:17.37
is the spiritual
powers behind the rulers.
00:46:17.41\00:46:21.78
There are spiritual battles
that we don't understand.
00:46:21.81\00:46:26.38
You read in Revelation
12, Michael and his angels
00:46:26.41\00:46:30.65
fought with the dragon, and the
dragon and his angels fought.
00:46:30.69\00:46:35.96
There is some striving
that goes on, you know,
00:46:35.99\00:46:38.53
even Paul said, "We do
not wrestle against flesh
00:46:38.56\00:46:41.00
and blood, but against spiritual
principalities and powers."
00:46:41.03\00:46:44.50
And when Daniel was praying for
the Persian king to now release
00:46:44.53\00:46:50.61
God's people according to
the prophecies of Jeremiah,
00:46:50.64\00:46:53.64
that after 70 years
they'd be allowed to go home.
00:46:53.68\00:46:56.68
The devil was influencing the
prince of Persia and there was
00:46:56.71\00:47:00.15
a battle going on,
maybe between his advisors,
00:47:00.18\00:47:02.82
and it shows that that
Christ, sometimes He's pictured
00:47:02.85\00:47:06.65
as Michael, He was
striving with Satan,
00:47:06.69\00:47:10.79
who is manipulating
the prince of Persia.
00:47:10.83\00:47:14.30
You can also see this in Ezekiel
where it talks about the devil
00:47:14.30\00:47:17.93
and it talks
about the king of Tyrus,
00:47:17.97\00:47:19.83
and Isaiah talks
about the king of Babylon.
00:47:19.87\00:47:22.07
Then we realize it's
the devil behind the king.
00:47:22.10\00:47:24.87
And you go to Revelation 12,
and it talks about the dragon
00:47:24.91\00:47:27.18
wanting to destroy the
baby, and we realize that it was
00:47:27.21\00:47:30.45
the devil working through
the Roman or the--King Herod.
00:47:30.48\00:47:34.58
So, it's the devil often
working through these powers.
00:47:34.62\00:47:37.95
And that's what's
happening here in Daniel 10,
00:47:37.99\00:47:40.22
there's a battle going on.
00:47:40.26\00:47:41.82
Jëan: And God doesn't
force the will of these people
00:47:41.86\00:47:43.66
using the freedom to choose.
00:47:43.69\00:47:45.19
It's an interesting
story here, that the prince
00:47:45.23\00:47:46.90
that's been referred to
is really Cyrus the king,
00:47:46.93\00:47:49.40
and he was prophesied by Isaiah
to be the one that would allow
00:47:49.43\00:47:52.97
the Jews to go back and
start rebuilding the temple
00:47:53.00\00:47:55.44
in Jerusalem.
00:47:55.47\00:47:56.77
And of course, the
devil didn't want that.
00:47:56.81\00:47:58.11
And so, he was doing
everything he can to try
00:47:58.14\00:48:00.11
and get Cyrus not to do it.
00:48:00.14\00:48:01.74
And yet, on the other
hand, you have Daniel,
00:48:01.78\00:48:03.08
who probably
pointed out to Cyrus,
00:48:03.11\00:48:04.75
here's a prophecy 150
years before you were born
00:48:04.78\00:48:07.28
that mentions you by name.
00:48:07.32\00:48:08.95
There was a real
controversy taking place.
00:48:08.98\00:48:11.22
Would he allow them to go?
00:48:11.25\00:48:12.69
And maybe that's what's referred
to here in the verse too.
00:48:12.72\00:48:14.79
Doug: Yeah, and I think
it's the same period of time,
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it says Daniel was
praying during that time.
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So, in answer to his
prayers, Michael prevailed.
00:48:18.79\00:48:22.36
Jëan: Alright, next
caller that we have,
00:48:22.40\00:48:23.70
he's calling from
Spain, we got Emmanuel.
00:48:23.73\00:48:25.60
Spain, listening from Spain.
00:48:25.63\00:48:27.17
Emmanuel,
welcome to the program.
00:48:27.20\00:48:29.64
Emmanuel: Thank you, pastors.
00:48:29.67\00:48:31.77
Good evening.
00:48:31.81\00:48:33.11
Doug: Good evening.
00:48:33.14\00:48:34.81
Emmanuel: My question
for you is if a church
00:48:34.84\00:48:38.65
that gets certain doctrines
wrong can have the presence
00:48:38.68\00:48:43.45
of the Holy Spirit in it.
00:48:43.49\00:48:45.25
For example, if they get
dietary laws wrong or the days
00:48:45.29\00:48:51.36
in which they want to
keep the Sabbath wrong.
00:48:51.39\00:48:54.20
Can the Holy
Spirit be in that church?
00:48:54.20\00:48:57.17
Doug: Yes, is a quick answer.
00:48:57.20\00:49:00.10
Now, what I'm saying is,
if God's Spirit is only going
00:49:00.14\00:49:05.04
to work in and
through a church that is
00:49:05.07\00:49:08.88
a perfectly
correct in every doctrine,
00:49:08.91\00:49:12.41
then I can think of a
lot of times in history
00:49:12.45\00:49:16.45
when God's Spirit has
worked through the church,
00:49:16.48\00:49:18.79
in spite of its imperfections.
00:49:18.82\00:49:20.29
I think God's
Spirit was working through
00:49:20.32\00:49:22.52
the Protestant
reformation, but you know,
00:49:22.56\00:49:25.73
they didn't have
everything right.
00:49:25.76\00:49:27.66
They probably didn't understand
some of the laws of the Bible
00:49:27.73\00:49:30.93
about diet or even the Sabbath.
00:49:30.97\00:49:34.00
But they were coming
out of great darkness,
00:49:34.04\00:49:35.80
and times like this, it
says in--what is it, Acts 17:30?
00:49:35.84\00:49:39.37
"At the times of this
ignorance, God winks at."
00:49:39.41\00:49:42.44
And the apostles, you know, when
Jesus breathed on them and said,
00:49:42.48\00:49:45.48
"Receive the Holy
Spirit," that's in John,
00:49:45.51\00:49:47.65
before his death.
00:49:47.68\00:49:49.42
And then even
after the resurrection,
00:49:49.45\00:49:52.09
they say, "Jesus, will you
now establish the kingdom?"
00:49:52.12\00:49:54.56
They didn't understand
the nature of His kingdom
00:49:54.59\00:49:57.49
completely, but he still
gave them the Holy Spirit
00:49:57.53\00:50:00.66
and they continued to learn.
00:50:00.70\00:50:02.80
When He poured
out the Holy Spirit,
00:50:02.83\00:50:04.17
they didn't understand
the gospel was supposed to go
00:50:04.20\00:50:06.07
to the gentiles and
that took a little struggle.
00:50:06.10\00:50:09.20
So, I do think that
God's Spirit works best
00:50:09.24\00:50:13.11
when we're fully committed to
follow the light that we have.
00:50:13.14\00:50:17.05
And I don't think God's
Spirit restricts us for what
00:50:17.08\00:50:20.38
we don't know, it's when
we reject what we do know.
00:50:20.42\00:50:23.28
Jëan: And I think
that's a good point,
00:50:23.32\00:50:24.62
Pastor Doug, you know,
if the church knowingly
00:50:24.65\00:50:26.25
or openly--let's say a
pastor leading the church,
00:50:26.29\00:50:28.86
who knows the truth and yet
they turn away from the truth,
00:50:28.89\00:50:32.29
then they're living in
open defiance against God.
00:50:32.33\00:50:36.30
But if folks
don't know the truth,
00:50:36.33\00:50:38.63
or at least an
aspect of the truth,
00:50:38.67\00:50:40.17
and they're living up to
all the light of the knowledge
00:50:40.20\00:50:42.37
or understanding that they
have, you know, they're sincere,
00:50:42.40\00:50:44.67
then God can kind
of work through them,
00:50:44.71\00:50:46.84
but if you know the truth
and you turn away from it,
00:50:46.88\00:50:48.94
and I think individually,
as members of churches,
00:50:48.98\00:50:51.18
we want to make sure that
the church that we're a part of,
00:50:51.21\00:50:54.35
they're living up to all
the truths has been revealed
00:50:54.38\00:50:57.29
in the Word of God
00:50:57.32\00:50:58.62
as far as we can
find, as far as we know.
00:50:58.65\00:51:00.69
If we come to conclusion that
something's wrong in the church,
00:51:00.72\00:51:03.66
they're not following
the biblical principles.
00:51:03.69\00:51:05.59
Well, then we need to find a
church that is actually close
00:51:05.63\00:51:08.20
to the Word of God,
as close as possible.
00:51:08.23\00:51:10.73
You know, we do have a
study guide or actually,
00:51:10.77\00:51:12.57
it's a book, talking about this.
00:51:12.60\00:51:14.40
It's called, "The
Search for the True Church."
00:51:14.44\00:51:16.67
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00:51:16.71\00:51:18.97
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00:51:19.01\00:51:22.11
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00:51:22.14\00:51:23.45
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00:51:23.48\00:51:28.02
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Next caller that
we have, let's see.
00:51:35.16\00:51:36.46
We've got Sherry in Kentucky.
00:51:36.49\00:51:38.63
Sherry, welcome to
Bible Answers Live.
00:51:38.66\00:51:41.20
Sherry: Hi.
00:51:41.23\00:51:42.96
Doug: Hi.
00:51:43.00\00:51:44.70
Sherry: I have a question
that's been really bothering me.
00:51:44.73\00:51:48.84
In the days when we're--later
on during the tribulation time,
00:51:48.87\00:51:53.17
when we're not able to buy or
sell--I'm debt-free right now,
00:51:53.21\00:52:01.05
and I own my home, but I
have to pay my taxes every year.
00:52:01.08\00:52:05.99
What am I going to do?
00:52:06.02\00:52:07.39
Am I going to be without a home?
00:52:07.42\00:52:10.13
Doug: Well, I wouldn't
worry about that because I think
00:52:10.16\00:52:14.23
that you--I've heard some people
say, well I'm going to prepay
00:52:14.30\00:52:17.30
my taxes so they can't take
my home away during that time.
00:52:17.33\00:52:20.77
I think the--when it gets to the
point where they're using buying
00:52:20.80\00:52:24.24
and selling to manipulate
us, it's going to pinch us a lot
00:52:24.27\00:52:27.74
sooner at the food
basket than home taxes.
00:52:27.78\00:52:33.15
And so, I think that, you
know, we're going to probably be
00:52:33.18\00:52:36.32
driven to places
where we need to, you know,
00:52:36.35\00:52:39.09
maybe grow some of our own food.
00:52:39.12\00:52:40.62
There will be trying times
whether they're going to say
00:52:40.66\00:52:43.93
we're taking away your
home because you didn't pay
00:52:43.96\00:52:45.56
your taxes or
something like that.
00:52:45.59\00:52:47.13
Usually, a person can go two
or three years without paying
00:52:47.13\00:52:50.37
their home taxes
before they foreclose on that.
00:52:50.40\00:52:52.67
I mean, but who
knows what kind of laws.
00:52:52.70\00:52:55.10
You look at what happened
in Nazi Germany to the Jews,
00:52:55.14\00:52:57.51
and they basically threw
all rights out the window,
00:52:57.54\00:53:00.91
so it didn't matter whether
they paid their taxes or not.
00:53:00.94\00:53:03.71
So, I'm not
trying to worry anyone,
00:53:03.75\00:53:05.81
I'm just saying that
when it gets rough like that,
00:53:05.85\00:53:09.08
there's probably nothing we
can do other than making sure
00:53:09.12\00:53:11.75
our faith is
strong to preserve us.
00:53:11.79\00:53:14.02
Jëan: And don't forget
that the Bible does promise us
00:53:14.06\00:53:15.86
that during
that time of trouble,
00:53:15.89\00:53:17.63
your bread and
your water will be sure.
00:53:17.66\00:53:19.56
So, God will
provide for His people,
00:53:19.59\00:53:21.13
just as He did
for the Israelites
00:53:21.16\00:53:22.76
with manna in the
wilderness, provided for Elijah
00:53:22.80\00:53:25.87
during a famine
that was in the land.
00:53:25.90\00:53:28.04
God will take care of His
people and as Pastor Doug said,
00:53:28.07\00:53:30.17
I think the most important
preparation we can do is heart
00:53:30.21\00:53:32.77
preparation, and then
the Holy Spirit can guide us
00:53:32.81\00:53:35.28
when that time comes.
00:53:35.31\00:53:36.61
Doug: Amen.
00:53:36.64\00:53:37.95
Jëan: Alright,
thanks for your call.
00:53:37.98\00:53:39.28
Let's see, we've got
Mbuto listening, Mbuto.
00:53:39.31\00:53:43.45
Mbuto: Yes.
00:53:43.49\00:53:44.79
Jëan: We've got about a minute.
00:53:44.82\00:53:47.89
Mbuto: Hello
pastors, I have a question
00:53:47.92\00:53:50.93
here on Matthew
Chapter 17, where Elijah,
00:53:50.96\00:53:57.10
and Moses appeared to him
when he was on a mountain.
00:53:57.13\00:54:02.94
So, my question is--so I
know that when somebody dies,
00:54:02.97\00:54:08.01
they don't come back
to us and talk to us.
00:54:08.04\00:54:11.38
But then, here we see
Moses, who had already died
00:54:11.41\00:54:16.72
in Old Testament, also appeared
to Jesus here and Elijah,
00:54:16.75\00:54:22.26
whom I know that
was taken to heaven.
00:54:22.29\00:54:26.16
So, I just wanna
know, like, what--
00:54:26.19\00:54:29.23
does that affirm that
we can talk to people--
00:54:29.26\00:54:32.67
after they die, they can still
come back to us and talk to us?
00:54:32.70\00:54:36.64
What does this mean?
00:54:36.67\00:54:39.47
Doug: Yeah, well, let's
do our best to answer that.
00:54:39.51\00:54:42.38
Just have a few minutes.
00:54:42.41\00:54:43.71
But, generally
speaking, of course,
00:54:43.75\00:54:46.35
we shouldn't communicate
with the dead, or try to.
00:54:46.38\00:54:49.12
Isaiah 8 tells us
that that's a sin.
00:54:49.15\00:54:51.99
We know there's an exception,
most of the dead are sleeping,
00:54:52.02\00:54:55.29
but Moses and
Elijah are an exception,
00:54:55.32\00:54:57.69
Moses in
particular, Elijah never died.
00:54:57.73\00:54:59.83
So, we're out of time for that.
00:54:59.86\00:55:01.50
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Pastor Doug,
here's the first question.
00:55:48.68\00:55:50.71
Becky's asking, what
kind of stone did Moses use,
00:55:50.75\00:55:53.62
when God commanded him to write
the Ten Commandments again?
00:55:53.65\00:55:57.49
Doug: You know, the
Bible doesn't specify.
00:55:57.52\00:56:00.66
Based on some visions
of the throne room of God,
00:56:00.69\00:56:04.79
and I think it's out of Ezekiel,
00:56:04.83\00:56:06.46
talks about like
a sapphire stone.
00:56:06.49\00:56:08.73
And so, some of wondered if it
was some kind of a blue sapphire
00:56:08.76\00:56:12.77
stone, since blue is a
color associated with the law,
00:56:12.80\00:56:16.71
that children of His
were to put borders of blue,
00:56:16.74\00:56:19.84
but it doesn't specifically say,
00:56:19.87\00:56:22.58
that's kind of
a beautiful guess.
00:56:22.61\00:56:25.25
We don't know what it
was, and we've got some granite
00:56:25.28\00:56:27.28
Ten Commandments in our
church someone made for us,
00:56:27.32\00:56:29.58
they look very nice.
00:56:29.62\00:56:31.12
Jëan: Alright,
another question that we have,
00:56:31.15\00:56:32.85
and here's the
question Wilma is asking,
00:56:32.89\00:56:35.26
is the Nazi regime's
attempt to exterminate the Jews
00:56:35.29\00:56:38.93
found in Bible prophecy?
00:56:38.96\00:56:42.46
Doug: Well, there is a
prophecy in Deuteronomy 28.
00:56:42.50\00:56:45.60
It's called the prophecy of
the blessings and the cursings,
00:56:45.63\00:56:49.17
and blessings were promised
for God's people in obedience,
00:56:49.20\00:56:52.57
cursings were, you know,
forecast in disobedience.
00:56:52.61\00:56:56.98
And so, this is not
just for the Jewish people,
00:56:57.01\00:57:00.12
but for every believer,
everyone that knows the Lord,
00:57:00.15\00:57:02.65
and so, you know, some
have wondered if you know
00:57:02.68\00:57:05.72
the terrible trials that
came on the Jewish nation
00:57:05.75\00:57:08.09
during the Nazi
regime, if that's something
00:57:08.12\00:57:10.39
that Moses was alluding to.
00:57:10.43\00:57:12.16
Now, it is true
that Moses foretold,
00:57:12.19\00:57:14.56
he says, your
enemies will surround you,
00:57:14.60\00:57:16.83
they'll besiege you, and that
happened several times in Bible
00:57:16.87\00:57:20.64
history, in the Old Testament,
but does that reach beyond to,
00:57:20.67\00:57:24.71
you know, 1939 or
41 in Nazi Germany?
00:57:24.74\00:57:32.11
Some could speculate that,
but I think there's a principle
00:57:32.15\00:57:36.38
that for any people, when
we turn away from the Lord,
00:57:36.42\00:57:40.22
we're, you know, there's trouble
and curses that often come.
00:57:40.26\00:57:44.99
Jëan: Okay, in
the next 30 seconds.
00:57:45.03\00:57:46.56
Do we have to be
perfect to go to heaven?
00:57:46.59\00:57:49.73
Doug: Well, yes, but we get
that perfection through Christ.
00:57:49.76\00:57:53.10
Yeah, Jesus said that,
you know, He can transform us
00:57:53.13\00:57:57.11
and make us new creatures.
00:57:57.14\00:57:58.37
He gives us His righteousness,
through justification and then
00:57:58.41\00:58:02.11
in sanctification, He teaches
us to walk in a newness of life.
00:58:02.14\00:58:05.75
You can have that
experience, friends.
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