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Pastor Doug Batchelor.
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Doug Batchelor:
Hello, listening friends.
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Would you like to
hear an amazing fact?
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Often called water bears or
moss piglets, tardigrades are
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near-microscopic
aquatic animals with plump
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segmented bodies
and flattened heads.
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They've got tiny
eyes and eight legs,
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each tipped with
four to eight claws.
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The water bears
are disarmingly cute.
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They're also
nearly indestructible.
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They're found virtually
everywhere on the planet from
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the Antarctic to the
Amazon to burning deserts.
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Water bears are able to
withstand temperatures ranging
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from minus 270 degrees Celsius
to plus 150 degrees Celsius.
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That'd be 302
degrees Fahrenheit.
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They can survive without water
for a period of up to 10 years
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and they're extremely
resistant to radiation.
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They can even
survive in outer space.
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Water bears are
able to shut down their
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metabolism by
entering into an almost
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deathlike state
called cryptobiosis.
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On April 11, 2019, an
Israeli spacecraft crashed
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into the moon during a
failed landing attempt.
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Its payload included a few
thousand of these water bears.
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Scientists expect the creatures
will still be found viable when
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astronauts return to
the moon in the next decade.
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You know, you begin
to wonder, Pastor Ross,
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whatever they're
made of, maybe they can
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synthesize that
and give us some of it.
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Jean Ross: That's right, Pastor
Doug, it's an amazing creature.
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It almost seems like a seed
of some kind, you know, a plant
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will have a seed
and then it lies dormant
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for years and
suddenly, under the right
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conditions, it
springs forth into life.
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These little animals almost
go into a seedlike state where
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they don't need
oxygen, they don't need water.
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I guess their
different metabolisms slow down
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or shut down and
then suddenly, at the
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right time, it
springs back to life.
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Doug: Yeah, they
don't know how to
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classify them because
they're just very unique.
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Their eyes are so small that
each eye is one photoreceptor
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and they--but they got, you
know, the mouth, a mini, mini
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brain, and they seem
to--they don't have lungs.
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They kind of
breathe through their skin.
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Just a very incredible creature.
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As a matter of fact,
scientists are saying,
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"Yup, this proves that
they can survive in space.
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Maybe life was introduced to our
planet by creatures like this
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from another planet,"
and so using that argument.
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But when I think about the
water bears, I think about how
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indestructible they are, going
through the fire and the ice,
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and it says in Isaiah 43, verse
2, speaking of the promises that
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God makes to His people: "When
you pass through the waters, I
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will be with you, and through
the rivers, and they will not
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overflow you.
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When you walk through the fire,
you will not be burned, nor
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shall the flames scorch you."
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Reminds us of Shadrach, Meshach,
and Abednego that went through
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the fiery furnace and it
just did not hurt them, or the
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children of Israel
going through the Red Sea.
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And, you know, if we're walking
with God, we are indestructible.
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And I don't mean that anyone
should go out there and try and
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tempt the Lord by jumping off a
building or walking into a fire.
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But it's like George
Whitefield used to say,
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"I'm immortal
until my work is done."
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You see so many examples of how
God can supernaturally protect
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His people and, with
that in mind, we don't
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need to be living
anxious, worried lives
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'cause God can
provide and He can protect.
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And for anyone out
there that is prone to
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worry, we have a
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Jean: We do, it's
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It's a book
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It's called, "Finding
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Of course, everybody wants
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What does the
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"Finding Peace in
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We'll be happy
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Well, Pastor Doug, before we go
to the phone lines, we like to
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start this program with prayer,
and we're talking about the
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Bible so we
need the Holy Spirit.
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So let's do that now.
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Dear Father, once again we are
grateful for the opportunity to
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be able to open up
Your Word and study.
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Father, we ask the Holy Spirit
to come and guide us here in the
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studio and be with the
many people who are listening,
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wherever they might
be: in their car or at home
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or traveling,
whatever it might be, Lord.
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Just pray that
You'd guide us all into a
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clearer
understanding of the Bible.
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And we thank You
in Jesus's name, amen.
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Doug: Amen.
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Jean: Our first
caller this evening is Jerry,
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and Jerry's listening in Texas.
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Jerry, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
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Jerry: Hi, guys. Hi, guys.
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I share your
devotional books all the time.
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Wish they were in
Spanish, Pastor Doug.
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Anyway, my question tonight is
what happened to the temple veil
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in heaven when it was
torn asunder on earth?
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Or was there ever a curtain?
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Well, there was, yes.
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Doug: Well, you know, it
seems to say, now where is it
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where it says that
there--"We now boldly enter"?
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Is it Ephesians that--behind the
veil, both Hebrews and Ephesians
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seems to indicate that
through Christ there is no veil.
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That, you know, we through
faith boldly go into the Holy of
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Holies and through
Christ who is our intercessor
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we plead into
the presence of God.
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I don't think a veil was torn
in heaven because the reason the
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veil was on earth is sinful
man cannot behold the holy.
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But in heaven, you know,
the holy angels can behold God.
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Jean: Hebrews chapter 6,
verse 19 talks about this hope
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that we have, an anchor of our
soul, both sure and steadfast
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which enters the
presence behind the veil.
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It's talking about
the heavenly sanction.
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Doug: Yeah, but
that's saying that we
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then go into the Holy of Holies.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Jean: All right,
thank you, Jerry.
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We do have a study guide on
the sanctuary, that's right.
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It's called, "God Drew the
Plans," and we'll be happy to
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send it to anyone
who calls and asks.
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The number is
800-835-6747, ask for the study
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guide called,
"God Drew the Plans."
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You can also dial #250 on your
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Live," and then ask
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Gary's listening in Illinois.
Gary, welcome to the program.
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Gary: Thank you.
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In Revelation 7, verses 2 and
3, it says that four angels are
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told not to harm the earth, the
sea, or trees until the servants
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of God are sealed
in their forehead.
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But in California,
Canadian wildfires,
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2-mile-wide-diameter tornadoes,
you know, they're all over, you
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know, these are harming the
earth and so, I guess, the four
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angels from under the Euphrates
River have nothing to do with
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this and, but once they're
released, things are going to
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get even worse and right now is
the time if you're going to be
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sealed, to do it,
and being sealed is what?
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Is being born again Christian?
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John 3:3, "Except
a man be born again"?
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Doug: Okay, yeah, good question.
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What we see, the tragedies
and the trials and the natural
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disasters, are
they evidence that the
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four angels have
loosed their grip?
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I don't think so.
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You know, Jesus said in
Matthew 24, He  "You're going to
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have wars and rumors of wars and
there will be earthquakes and
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famines and
pestilence in different places."
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He said, "These are
the beginning of sorrows."
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So He said that, you know,
from the time of Christ to the
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present there are going to
be waves of disasters that will
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come in the world
and some, you know,
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are used to turn
people to the Lord.
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Keep in mind, the
devil does have some
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power over even the environment.
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When God gave the devil leave,
Satan went from the presence of
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the Lord and struck the house of
Job's children with a tornado.
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And fire came
down from heaven, from
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the devil, and
burned up his flocks.
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So, some of the things we see
is because it says in Revelation
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12, "Satan has come down with
great wrath, because he knows
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his time is short."
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But when those angels loose
their grip, now, Pastor Ross, is
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that just before or just
after the close of probation?
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Jean: It's--close of
probation is connected with the
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angels letting go,
after the sealing occurs.
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Then, of course, you have Daniel
12 that says, "At that time
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Michael shall stand up, the
great prince who stands watch
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over the sons of his people;
and there shall be a time of
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trouble," worse than
the world has ever seen.
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Well, that's the four angels--
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Doug: And that's after, is it?
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When Michael stands
up, probation's close.
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Jean: Probation close.
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Doug: Yeah, so
we're not there yet.
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Now--but your bigger question
is about the seal of God.
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Yeah,
everybody, first hear this.
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The most important
thing about the seal of God,
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first and foremost,
it's the Holy Spirit.
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But I think everyone sort of
intuitively knows whoever has
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the mark of the beast
has the spirit of the devil.
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Whoever has the seal of God
certainly has the Holy Spirit.
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It would be hard
to imagine a person
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sealed by God not
having the Spirit.
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But there's something more.
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You read in Isaiah chapter 8,
and I think it's verse 16, where
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it says, "Bind up the testimony,
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seal the law
among my disciples."
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So, in the law of God, there is
a special seal that contains all
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the elements of
these ancient seals.
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A seal would have the title
which means the office, the
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name, the territory
of a ruling monarch.
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And in the Ten
Commandments you have
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the word "holy"
in one commandment.
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You folks go look up
which commandment that is.
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It's in Exodus chapter
20, start with verse 8.
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And in that commandment
you will also find the title
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says, "The Lord made the
heavens and the earth, the sea."
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It's got His name, His title,
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His territory in
that commandment.
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Jean: You know, in
Revelation there's two groups.
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You've got those who
have the seal of God and
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you have those who
have the mark of the beast.
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Now, of course, at that point
in time, when probation closes,
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there will only be
two distinct groups.
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There's a lot in the Valley
of Decision you might say now,
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folks who are understanding
the truth and making decisions.
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But when that time comes and
you have just those two groups,
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everyone's going to
be marked with something.
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Either you have the seal of God
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or you have the
mark of the beast.
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And more than just being, like
you say, Pastor Doug, the Holy
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Spirit, for those who have
the seal of God, the Spirit of
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Christ, or the spirit of Satan,
it's going to be manifest in the
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actions, who they obey, whose
commandments are they following.
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So, we do have a study guide.
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It's called, "The
Mark of the Beast,"
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and it talks about
the mark of the beast.
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It also talks about
the seal of God and how we
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can make sure we have
the seal and not the mark.
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We'll send this to
anyone who calls and asks.
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The number is 800-835-6747 and
you can ask for the study guide.
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It's called, "The
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Or dial #250 on your phone, say
"Bible Answers Live," ask for
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that offer and we'll be
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Let's see, we've got
Anna listening in Oregon.
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Anna, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
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Anna: Hi, good
evening. Doug: Good evening.
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Anna: My question is from
Titus chapter 3, verse 10.
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"Reject a divisive man
after the first and second
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abomination, knowing
that such a person is
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warped and sinning,
being self-condemned."
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I was wondering if you
could explain that to me.
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Also, do we wash our hands
of these people and have nothing
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more to do with
them in our lives?
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Doug: Well, if
they don't repent, yes.
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You know, if anyone goes through
a conversion, I think the
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apostles would say if a brother
has been restored, if they've
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been reconverted, if
they've gotten over their
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tendency to be
unnecessarily divisive.
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Now, we need to know
how to apply this verse.
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I remember one brother
that, when I disagreed with him
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theologically, he said
to his family, "Don't study
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with him anymore
because he's divisive."
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I'm just sharing the
truth and they pulled this
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scripture out and
said, "You can't study with
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us anymore 'cause
you're causing division.
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You don't believe like us."
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And I said, "Well, there's
only one truth, you know?"
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So I felt like they
had misapplied this verse.
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Now this is talking about
someone who comes within a
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certain body and, you know, it's
the united body of faith and it
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does bring in division between
individuals and, you know, I
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think I read it
this week in my message.
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Says in Proverbs, "There are six
things the Lord hates, seven are
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an abomination to Him."
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And the seventh thing he
mentions is "He that sows
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discord among brethren,"
someone who is divisive.
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God's called us
to be peace-makers,
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to bring people
together, but if you're
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dividing people,
it's the opposite effect.
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At some point if they don't
change their behavior, you've
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just got to practice
tough love and say, "You know,
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we're not going to
work with you anymore."
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You just have to sometimes
people are--you're casting your
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pearls before swine
and you just have to know
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and you say, "This
is a waste of time.
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We're not going
to argue with you."
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Jean: Yeah, there's a
difference between somebody
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who's sincerely
wanting to know truth and maybe
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they might see
things a little different
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but they're
willing to learn and study.
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But after a person understands
what you're trying to say and
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yet they just dogmatically
wanting to argue and bring
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division, that's not
comfortable for anyone.
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It's causing
division and that's what the
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Bible is saying we
need to be careful of.
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Doug: You know, we're pastors,
and once or twice we've had some
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people that have showed up at
church and there's one note that
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they play on the piano and with
everybody, they've got this one
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note they play and we've had to
say, "Look, brother, sister, you
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know, if you can't
enmesh a little better,
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then probably you
shouldn't come back."
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And you hate to ever
say that to somebody,
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but some folks just
come in to cause division.
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Jean: All right,
next caller that we have
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is Michael,
listening in Colorado.
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Michael, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
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Michael: Yes,
Doug and Jean, thank
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you so much for taking my call.
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It's great to talk to
you. I'm a first-time caller.
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I am 27 years old and I so much
have enjoyed your show for a
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long time and you
set a very high standard.
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So first of all,
thank you for all you do.
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Doug: Well,
thank you for calling.
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Michael: Absolutely, and my
Bible question is from 2 Kings.
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"Elisha sent out a servant to
meet him with this message: 'Go
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to the River Jordan and
immerse yourself seven times.
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Your skin will be healed
and you'll be as good as new.'
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Naaman lost his temper.
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He spun around saying, 'I
thought you'd personally come
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out and meet me, call on the
name of God, wave His hand over
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the diseased spot, and
get rid of the disease.'"
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And, you know, the Jordan
River is said to have healing
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properties even to this day.
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Why do you think
God specifically picked
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Naaman to be
healed of his leprosy?
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Doug: Well, I think
some of it is to show that
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God loves people
who are not Jews.
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You know, the first
sermon that Jesus preached
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in His home
church, He mentions Naaman.
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He said to the people in His
church in Nazareth, He went on
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Sabbath to the synagogue and He
said, "There were many lepers in
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Israel in the days of
Elisha but none of them was
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healed except Naaman
the Syrian," and part of
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it is because he
came and he asked.
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He believed the
message of this little girl.
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You remember, he had a servant
girl that said, "If my master
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was with the prophet that's
in Samaria, he would heal him of
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his leprosy," and he took that
by faith and he went, but the
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way the healing message came he
was a little insulted 'cause God
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had to soften his pride and,
ultimately, he did obey and he
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went to the Jordan and he
got the miracle that he wanted.
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So, it's interesting that God
spoke through this little girl,
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then He spoke through the
messenger of Elisha and then He
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spoke through the soldiers
of Naaman and it took several
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messages to finally get
through to this general.
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Seems that he was a good man.
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Said he was a
great man, mighty man,
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valiant man, but he was a leper.
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It's a reminder that no matter
what you have in the world, if
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you've got sin, if
you're dying, what profit is it?
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And as God healed Naaman
from washing in the Jordan,
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John the Baptist
baptized in the Jordan.
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It's a symbol of the new birth
and a washing from sin because,
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of course, that's
where Christ was baptized
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and the children of
Israel went through the Jordan.
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It's a symbol of new life.
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Jean: And leprosy in the
Bible often is associated or
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symbolized as sin, so here you
have a sinner outside of Israel,
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a non-Jew, and yet
redemption can still be
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found, or a
cleansing can still be found.
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So, a very
interesting story there.
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Good question.
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Next caller that we have is
Tony, listening in Kentucky.
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Tony, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
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Tony: Thank you
for taking my call.
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Doug: Thank you
for calling, yes?
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Tony: Oh yes, yes.
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So my question for
tonight and--is Revelation 4:1
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teaching that the seals happen
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chronologically
after the seven churches?
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And is Revelation
chapter 8, verse 1 teaching that
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the seven trumpets
happen chronologically
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immediately
after the seven seals?"
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Doug: All right, I'll give a
little part of this answer and
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then Pastor Ross can
probably tie it off better.
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Revelation is not
written chronologically.
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Like the prophecy you find
in Daniel, it's very similar in
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that God gives Daniel
several visions that outline
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His kingdom and His
people and they overlap.
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And in Revelation you've got the
seven churches, you've got the
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seven trumpets,
you've got the seven seals.
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The seven churches sort of cover
a religious history of God's
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people from the First
Coming to the Second Coming.
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The seven seals cover something
of a geopolitical history from
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the First Coming
to the Second Coming.
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The seven trumpets are covering
something of a military history
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and so, these
prophecies are covering some
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of the same time
and they overlap.
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So I'll stop there.
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Jean: Yeah, absolutely.
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I think you
summarized it well, Pastor Doug.
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You've got the seven churches
which really start with the
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first century church which
scholars say somewhere round
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about, you know,
Christ ascended 31 A.D.
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and probation closes 34 for
the Jewish people, so somewhere
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around there up until about 100
A.D., around the death of the--
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Doug: Now, when you
said probation closes
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for the Jewish
people, you mean the nation?
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Jean: For the
nation, not individuals.
00:19:03.20\00:19:04.71
Doug: Yeah, that's right.
00:19:04.74\00:19:06.24
Jean: But, around 100 A.D.,
somewhere around the death of
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John, the last of the 12
apostles, they say that first,
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the church of Ephesus's
time period comes to an end.
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Then it goes all the way through
the church of Laodicea which
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really describes the
condition of the church today,
00:19:17.12\00:19:19.52
just before the
Second Coming of Christ.
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And then you have the repeat,
you know, the seals and then the
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trumpets but
emphasizing different aspects.
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Doug: Yup, very good.
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Now, we have a
magazine that talks about Daniel
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in Revelation that
Michael might really enjoy.
00:19:30.60\00:19:35.14
And I think we
can still share that.
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Jean: Absolutely, to receive
that just call 800-835-6747, and
00:19:36.64\00:19:41.41
the magazine is on the book of
Daniel and Revelation, and we'll
00:19:41.44\00:19:44.68
be happy to send that
to you if you call and ask.
00:19:44.71\00:19:46.98
You can also dial #250 on your
smartphone, and ask for that,
00:19:47.02\00:19:51.09
and we'll send it to
whoever calls and asks.
00:19:51.12\00:19:53.42
Let's see, we've got--we're
going to go to Junith in Nevada.
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Junith, welcome to the program.
00:19:56.69\00:19:59.43
Junith: Pastor Jean and Pastor
Doug, I reckon you can hear me?
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Doug: Yes.
00:20:05.33\00:20:06.63
Junith: Yes, I
have a question on
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Revelation 19--
oh, just a second.
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Revelation 19:16.
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The focus is, is there a Judaic
connotation on what he is trying
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to imply to writing his
name "Lord of lords and King of
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kings" on his thigh?
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It's understandable of the
robe, you know, like when you go
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to a beauty pageant, they put
the title there, like a sash.
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But just caught my
attention about the King of
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kings and Lord of
lords on his thigh.
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My question is
there a Judaic traditional
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connotation on this matter?
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Can you explain
further? Thank you.
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Doug: Well, I'll do my best.
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It was believed by the Jewish
people that the largest and
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strongest muscle
in the body was the
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thigh and
covenants were sometime made.
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You can read where Abraham when
choosing a wife for his son, he
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told his servant: "Place
your hand under my thigh."
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In other words,
you were going to make
00:21:17.67\00:21:18.97
a covenant with
my strongest muscle.
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You're going to
vow to me that you'll
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find a
believing wife for my son.
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And so--and of course, King of
kings, you have examples in the
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Bible where Nebuchadnezzar
had several kingdoms under him.
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He was a king
with kings under him.
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Talks about certain
kings ate at his table.
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And same thing
with the king of Persia.
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And so,
ultimately, the supreme title
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would be the King of kings.
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There is no king above Jesus
and there's no lord above Him.
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He is the Lord of lords.
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So, it's basically saying He is
the ultimate strength, being on
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the thigh, the ultimate
King, the ultimate Lord.
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Jean: And the
ultimate fulfillment
00:22:03.02\00:22:04.35
of the promise that He made.
00:22:04.39\00:22:05.69
Jesus said, "I'll come again
and receive you unto myself."
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So, He's coming back as
King of kings and Lord of lords.
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Doug: Yeah, absolutely.
00:22:10.93\00:22:12.23
Jean: All right, thank you.
00:22:12.26\00:22:13.56
Next caller that we have is
Miranda listening in New Mexico.
00:22:13.60\00:22:16.70
Miranda, welcome to the program.
00:22:16.73\00:22:20.07
Miranda: Hi,
good evening, Pastors.
00:22:20.10\00:22:21.84
Doug: Evening.
00:22:21.87\00:22:23.17
Miranda: My--good evening.
00:22:23.20\00:22:24.51
My Bible question is,
what does the Bible say about
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Satan being able to
physically harm a person?
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Doug: Well, you know, there's
not too much evidence in the
00:22:32.25\00:22:34.22
Bible that the devil would, you
know, jump out with a pitchfork,
00:22:34.25\00:22:38.15
claws, and horns and bite a
person as a physical entity.
00:22:38.19\00:22:43.26
Sometimes, the way that
the devil will physically
00:22:43.29\00:22:47.13
hurt a person is
by tempting them to do
00:22:47.13\00:22:49.00
something foolish
where they hurt themselves.
00:22:49.03\00:22:53.67
You know, he did seem to strike
Job with sickness, and the
00:22:53.70\00:22:57.57
devil, you know, he has
some limited power there.
00:22:57.61\00:23:00.61
But keep in mind, God has
angels that guard His people.
00:23:00.64\00:23:05.81
You read, "The
angel of the Lord encamps
00:23:05.85\00:23:08.82
round about
those that fear him."
00:23:08.85\00:23:10.89
That's why the
devil said to God,
00:23:10.92\00:23:12.45
"You've got a hedge about Job.
00:23:12.49\00:23:14.49
You're protecting him."
00:23:14.52\00:23:16.02
And in Psalm 91
it says, "He'll give
00:23:16.06\00:23:18.73
His angels charge over you."
00:23:18.76\00:23:20.83
So I don't worry day by day
because one-third of the angels
00:23:20.86\00:23:25.33
followed Lucifer but there
are two-thirds that stay loyal.
00:23:25.37\00:23:28.80
You've got twice as
many angels on God's side
00:23:28.84\00:23:31.31
as the devil's
side, and they protect.
00:23:31.34\00:23:33.74
Nothing can
come to His children.
00:23:33.78\00:23:36.31
The devil never is able to
access God's people because his
00:23:36.34\00:23:39.88
demons were able to
outwrestle God's angels.
00:23:39.91\00:23:43.99
God's angels are
much greater in power.
00:23:44.02\00:23:48.22
Anything that does come is
because the Lord is allowing
00:23:48.26\00:23:51.26
some trial to work in our lives
for good, and even Paul said one
00:23:51.29\00:23:55.76
time, "A messenger
came from the devil that's
00:23:55.80\00:23:58.10
caused me pain, a
thorn in my side, but
00:23:58.13\00:24:00.80
God's allowing this
that I might glorify Him."
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So I don't know if that helps
what you're asking, Miranda.
00:24:04.51\00:24:10.48
Miranda: Thank you both so much.
00:24:10.51\00:24:12.75
Doug: Thank you.
00:24:12.78\00:24:14.08
Now, we do have
a book that talks
00:24:14.12\00:24:15.42
about, "Did God Create a Devil?"
and explains what some of
00:24:15.45\00:24:17.22
the limitations of the
devil are in that study guide.
00:24:17.25\00:24:20.46
Jean: The number to call for
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00:24:20.49\00:24:24.26
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00:24:38.91\00:24:41.11
McKenzie, welcome to
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00:24:41.14\00:24:44.35
McKenzie: Hello. Doug: Hi.
00:24:44.38\00:24:46.61
McKenzie: Good evening, Pastors.
00:24:46.65\00:24:48.02
Doug: Evening,
thanks for calling.
00:24:48.05\00:24:49.95
McKenzie: I've been listening
for a long time and it's been
00:24:49.98\00:24:53.46
pretty cool to
listen to you guys.
00:24:53.49\00:24:56.16
I'm LBS, but I wondered what the
Bible says about infant baptism?
00:24:56.19\00:25:03.16
Doug: All right, yeah,
appreciate your calling.
00:25:03.20\00:25:06.17
There's no example of
infant baptisms in the Bible.
00:25:06.20\00:25:09.44
What they did in the Bible,
and Jesus is an example of this,
00:25:09.47\00:25:12.67
they would dedicate children,
boys in particular, 8 days old,
00:25:12.71\00:25:17.25
Christ was
brought to the temple.
00:25:17.28\00:25:18.58
They would
dedicate them to the Lord
00:25:18.61\00:25:20.52
and the boys
would be circumcised.
00:25:20.55\00:25:24.15
And--but Jesus then went and
was baptized as an adult because
00:25:24.19\00:25:29.79
the Bible
prerequisites for baptism,
00:25:29.82\00:25:32.23
it says, "Repent
and be baptized."
00:25:32.26\00:25:34.46
Well, babies can't repent.
00:25:34.50\00:25:36.20
And then when the Ethiopian
asked Philip, "What must I do?"
00:25:36.23\00:25:39.63
he says, "If you
believe with all your heart."
00:25:39.67\00:25:42.90
Well, a baby can't believe with
all its heart and be baptized.
00:25:42.94\00:25:46.21
And Jesus says, "Go and teach
all nations, teaching them to
00:25:46.24\00:25:50.18
observe all things I've
commanded and baptize them."
00:25:50.21\00:25:53.45
Well, you can't teach a baby
the fundamentals of Christianity
00:25:53.48\00:25:57.49
and--so, there's
no example of a baby
00:25:57.52\00:25:59.89
being baptized in a
Bible--in the Bible.
00:25:59.92\00:26:02.29
Now I know many people listening
right now, Pastor Ross, they may
00:26:02.32\00:26:05.69
be, you know, very good
Catholic or Orthodox people
00:26:05.73\00:26:07.93
that baptize their
children as infants,
00:26:07.96\00:26:10.03
and they're saying,
"What does that mean?
00:26:10.07\00:26:11.83
Does that mean I
didn't give them to the Lord?"
00:26:11.87\00:26:13.60
No, you dedicated them.
00:26:13.64\00:26:14.94
That's great.
That's not baptism.
00:26:14.97\00:26:17.44
Baptism is something they must
do when they reach the age of
00:26:17.47\00:26:20.14
accountability which
varies with children.
00:26:20.18\00:26:22.94
It could be anywhere from, you
know, Christ was 12 when he went
00:26:22.98\00:26:25.75
to the temple and some kids
begin to understand and believe
00:26:25.78\00:26:29.98
at 10 years old, and
some it takes a little longer.
00:26:30.02\00:26:32.72
So, it varies.
00:26:32.75\00:26:34.59
And we have a lesson
that talks about baptism.
00:26:34.62\00:26:37.29
Jean: We do, we actually--I was
thinking about a book, Pastor,
00:26:37.33\00:26:39.26
there called "Baptism,
Is It Really Necessary?"
00:26:39.29\00:26:41.00
It's got all the
scriptures in there,
00:26:41.03\00:26:42.63
explains what
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00:27:01.98\00:27:05.15
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00:27:07.06\00:27:08.36
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Jean: My name is
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standing by on the phone
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00:29:58.19\00:29:59.69
We've got Noochie
listening from California.
00:29:59.73\00:30:03.73
Is it Nookie or
Noochie? Welcome to the program.
00:30:03.77\00:30:06.10
Noochie: Hi, yeah, it's Noochie.
00:30:06.13\00:30:07.57
Hi, Pastor Doug and Pastor Ross.
00:30:07.60\00:30:12.67
I post some things on a lot of
religious sites on Facebook and
00:30:12.71\00:30:19.51
one of 'em is, I believe, in
America, is the False Prophet
00:30:19.55\00:30:23.82
from Revelation 13:11 and I get
all kinds of responses but one
00:30:23.85\00:30:29.72
that always stumps me is, "Well,
the law and the prophets were
00:30:29.76\00:30:34.36
only for Israel so the western
world is not even prophesized."
00:30:34.40\00:30:40.80
And I try to show them
that in Daniel 8:26, the
00:30:40.84\00:30:44.77
23-year--2300-year prophecy and
00:30:44.81\00:30:51.58
also Ephesians 4:11 says that
00:30:51.61\00:30:55.08
Christ gave the
gifts to the church.
00:30:55.12\00:30:59.69
But I was wondering if you had
any other scripture that I could
00:30:59.72\00:31:03.96
share with them as
far as that's concerned?
00:31:03.99\00:31:06.70
Doug: Yeah, I think I've
got some scripture and also
00:31:06.73\00:31:08.76
some--and what my scriptures
would be dealing with is that
00:31:08.80\00:31:12.53
prophecy did not stop
with the nation of Israel.
00:31:12.57\00:31:17.54
The prophecies you find in
Daniel and Revelation involve
00:31:17.57\00:31:21.34
any nations that had an impact,
a major impact, on God's people.
00:31:21.38\00:31:26.25
The reason the prophecies
talk about Assyria and Nineveh,
00:31:26.28\00:31:31.79
Babylon, Egypt, Ammon, Moab,
Edom, Persia, Greece, Rome,
00:31:31.82\00:31:41.10
England, France, the
United States, all of these
00:31:41.13\00:31:45.73
are in prophecy
because they had a dramatic
00:31:45.77\00:31:48.74
impact on the
gospel in some way.
00:31:48.77\00:31:52.04
And America, you know, right
now is the country that supports
00:31:52.07\00:31:55.14
more missionaries than any other
country, though I hear South
00:31:55.18\00:31:57.91
Korea's
catching up, interesting.
00:31:57.95\00:32:01.25
But, yeah, it is mentioned.
00:32:01.28\00:32:03.52
America, I
believe, is the second
00:32:03.55\00:32:04.85
beast you find in Revelation 13.
00:32:04.89\00:32:07.62
It starts out with two
horns like a lamb, a lamb being
00:32:07.66\00:32:10.13
Christlike, but ends up speaking
like a dragon in the end.
00:32:10.16\00:32:13.53
And so, America's
definitely in prophecy.
00:32:13.56\00:32:16.50
Matter of fact, Pastor
Ross, I think we've got
00:32:16.53\00:32:18.23
a magazine that
has several scriptures,
00:32:18.27\00:32:20.54
and we can send one
of those to Noochie.
00:32:20.57\00:32:22.94
Jean: Yeah, or anyone
wanting to learn more.
00:32:22.97\00:32:24.44
It's one of our
more popular magazines.
00:32:24.47\00:32:26.24
It's a fairly new one and
it's called "The US in Bible
00:32:26.27\00:32:28.91
Prophecy," and yes,
Revelation chapter 13
00:32:28.94\00:32:31.35
talks about two
beasts's powers, and we believe
00:32:31.38\00:32:33.95
the second beast
described there is America.
00:32:33.98\00:32:36.92
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00:32:41.56\00:32:46.26
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Next caller that
we have is Leigh,
00:32:55.87\00:32:57.21
listening in North Carolina.
00:32:57.24\00:32:58.54
Leigh, welcome to the program.
00:32:58.57\00:33:00.84
Leigh: Oh, hi. Thank
you so much, Pastors.
00:33:00.88\00:33:03.41
I have a question for
you about Revelation 11,
00:33:03.45\00:33:06.95
verse 3, and the two witnesses.
00:33:06.98\00:33:10.79
I studied and believe that
it was the Old Testament and the
00:33:10.82\00:33:14.42
New Testament, but then when
I read on, particularly in same
00:33:14.46\00:33:19.89
chapter 11, verses 7 through
10, and I've seen some other
00:33:19.93\00:33:25.63
programming about it being
possibly Moses and Elijah, and
00:33:25.67\00:33:30.61
is it possible,
Pastors, it could even be both?
00:33:30.64\00:33:33.31
Could it be Moses
and Elijah representing
00:33:33.34\00:33:35.44
the Old Testament
and New Testament?
00:33:35.48\00:33:37.15
Thank you so very much.
00:33:37.18\00:33:38.78
Doug: Yes, Leigh. And
my answer would be yes.
00:33:38.81\00:33:41.45
Now, when I say it can
also be Moses and Elijah,
00:33:41.48\00:33:44.82
symbolically, you've got
Moses and Elijah that appear
00:33:44.85\00:33:48.39
to Jesus on the
Mount of Transfiguration.
00:33:48.42\00:33:50.83
That's Mark chapter 9.
00:33:50.86\00:33:52.49
And they're in heaven.
00:33:52.53\00:33:54.36
They have glorified bodies.
00:33:54.40\00:33:55.73
They are not going to
come down to earth and die.
00:33:55.76\00:33:57.70
They now have eternal life.
00:33:57.73\00:34:00.07
You know, the Bible says that
when you're resurrected and you
00:34:00.10\00:34:02.74
go to heaven,
you don't die again.
00:34:02.77\00:34:05.91
But Moses
represents the law or the
00:34:05.94\00:34:08.78
Old Testament, Elijah
represents the prophets.
00:34:08.81\00:34:11.28
These dual terms are
often used for the scriptures.
00:34:11.31\00:34:15.65
You might say New
and Old Testament.
00:34:15.68\00:34:17.45
It's called the
law and the prophets.
00:34:17.49\00:34:19.05
It's a sword with two
edges, Ten Commandments
00:34:19.09\00:34:21.86
are written on
two tables of stone.
00:34:21.89\00:34:23.96
So the Word of God
is often pictured in
00:34:23.99\00:34:26.13
this dual nature
of Moses and Elijah.
00:34:26.16\00:34:29.16
Last prophecies in the Old
Testament in Malachi chapter 4,
00:34:29.20\00:34:33.07
it says,
"Remember the law of Moses.
00:34:33.10\00:34:35.44
Behold, I send you Elijah."
00:34:35.47\00:34:37.24
Moses and Elijah, two witnesses.
00:34:37.27\00:34:39.81
And then when you look at the
criteria of the two witnesses in
00:34:39.84\00:34:43.38
Revelation chapter 11 and it
says that they'll prophesy 42
00:34:43.41\00:34:48.58
months through
sack-cloth, it's talking about
00:34:48.62\00:34:50.75
the Word of God
during the dark ages.
00:34:50.79\00:34:53.42
Just--its light was
obscured by persecution.
00:34:53.46\00:34:57.23
And it says, "These are
the two olive trees and the two
00:34:57.26\00:34:59.43
lampstands and if anyone wants
to hurt them, fire proceeds from
00:34:59.46\00:35:04.73
their mouths," well, Elijah
spoke and fire came down from
00:35:04.77\00:35:07.07
heaven, "and
devours their enemies.
00:35:07.10\00:35:09.27
If anyone wants to harm them,
he must be hurt in this manner.
00:35:09.30\00:35:12.47
They have power to shut up the
heaven, that it doesn't rain."
00:35:12.51\00:35:15.11
This is in both Moses's
writings in Deuteronomy 28,
00:35:15.14\00:35:18.78
and it's also in the
experience of Elijah.
00:35:18.81\00:35:23.22
Turning water to blood.
00:35:23.25\00:35:24.62
And so, you know, the
illustrations are given from the
00:35:24.65\00:35:27.82
life of Moses and
Elijah, these two great
00:35:27.86\00:35:29.86
prophets,
representing the Word of God.
00:35:29.89\00:35:32.29
This is, in particular, when
it says the two witnesses are
00:35:32.33\00:35:35.73
killed, it's talking about an
attack on the Word of God when
00:35:35.76\00:35:39.87
atheism was born, prior
to the French Revolution.
00:35:39.90\00:35:44.64
And if you read history, the
birth of atheism, they abolished
00:35:44.67\00:35:47.91
the Bible and do we have a study
guide that talks about that?
00:35:47.94\00:35:51.31
Jean: We do have one
on the two witnesses.
00:35:51.35\00:35:53.18
Doug: I realize I could
wax along, talking about it.
00:35:53.21\00:35:55.38
Jean: We have
"The Glorious Mount."
00:35:55.42\00:35:58.55
Doug: Sure, we
can send that out.
00:35:58.59\00:36:00.52
Jean: So, yeah,
it's a deep study.
00:36:00.56\00:36:01.89
Does talk about Revelation.
00:36:01.92\00:36:03.22
Incidentally, just to add,
talking about another nation,
00:36:03.26\00:36:05.73
France is specifically
highlighted there, the beast
00:36:05.76\00:36:08.43
that comes from
the bottomless pit,
00:36:08.46\00:36:09.90
talking about that
power in Revelation 11.
00:36:09.93\00:36:12.20
You can just
call and ask for the
00:36:12.23\00:36:13.54
book called "The Two Witnesses."
00:36:13.57\00:36:14.87
The number is 800-835-6747.
00:36:14.90\00:36:18.11
Ask for the book,
"The Two Witnesses."
00:36:18.14\00:36:19.47
Also, you can dial #250
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00:36:19.51\00:36:23.31
and then ask for
"The Two Witnesses."
00:36:23.35\00:36:25.51
Thanks, Leigh. Great question.
00:36:25.55\00:36:27.02
We've got Steve
listening in Missouri.
00:36:27.05\00:36:28.75
Steve, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
00:36:28.78\00:36:30.89
Steve: Thank you
for taking my call.
00:36:30.92\00:36:33.15
We're going to be in
Acts 15, verse 28 and 29.
00:36:33.19\00:36:37.13
You want me to go and read it?
00:36:37.16\00:36:38.83
Doug: Sure.
00:36:38.86\00:36:40.16
Steve: Okay, "For it seemed
good to the Holy Ghost, and to
00:36:40.20\00:36:43.33
us, to lay upon you no greater
burden than these necessary
00:36:43.37\00:36:47.44
things; that--" to me,
that sounds all-conclusive.
00:36:47.47\00:36:50.87
"That you abstain from
meats offered to idols, and from
00:36:50.91\00:36:54.44
blood, and from things
strangled, and from fornication:
00:36:54.48\00:36:58.18
from which is to keep
yourselves, ye shall do well.
00:36:58.21\00:37:02.52
Fare ye well."
00:37:02.55\00:37:03.85
This would have been, to me, it
would have been a perfect time
00:37:03.89\00:37:06.42
for Paul to inject that she
shouldn't eat the unclean meat.
00:37:06.45\00:37:11.33
And the only answer I've ever
been able to come up with is
00:37:11.36\00:37:14.93
these--this is Paul's way of
referencing back to Leviticus,
00:37:14.96\00:37:20.47
letting 'em, the
believers, or the unbelievers,
00:37:20.50\00:37:23.97
know that you should
go by the health laws.
00:37:24.01\00:37:27.84
Doug: Yeah, well--
00:37:27.88\00:37:29.18
Steve: And I wanted to know
just a little input from you.
00:37:29.21\00:37:31.18
Doug: Sure, I appreciate that.
00:37:31.21\00:37:32.45
Now, this--what they're doing
here is Paul is coming down, I
00:37:32.48\00:37:37.29
believe he's with Barnabas
on this trip, or Silas rather.
00:37:37.32\00:37:40.56
And they're talking to the
leaders in Jerusalem, saying,
00:37:40.59\00:37:42.62
we've had some challenges with
the Gentiles, and some of the
00:37:42.66\00:37:46.16
Jewish believers are putting
certain laws on the Gentile
00:37:46.19\00:37:48.93
believers, and it was in
particular with, you know,
00:37:48.96\00:37:53.17
keeping the law of Moses,
circumcision, and different
00:37:53.20\00:37:55.34
things, and their
discussion was how do
00:37:55.37\00:37:59.21
we resolve these
particular issues?
00:37:59.24\00:38:02.08
Now, Paul is not giving
a comprehensive answer of
00:38:02.11\00:38:04.28
everything you're supposed
to obey, because there's a whole
00:38:04.31\00:38:06.75
lot of obedience
issues that are left out.
00:38:06.78\00:38:09.02
He doesn't even mention idolatry
but, you know, several other
00:38:09.05\00:38:11.92
places they talk about
keep yourself from idols.
00:38:11.95\00:38:14.39
So, this is talking about--
00:38:14.42\00:38:16.26
Jean: Oh, he does
mention in verse 29.
00:38:16.29\00:38:17.69
Doug: Oh, the idols and--
00:38:17.73\00:38:19.03
Jean: Yeah, he
says that you abstain
00:38:19.06\00:38:20.36
from things offered to idols.
00:38:20.40\00:38:22.03
You're right, and
not worshiping idols.
00:38:22.06\00:38:24.40
Doug: He was really dealing
with--that Jesus was saying, you
00:38:24.43\00:38:27.60
know, you can't eat things
that have been offered to idols
00:38:27.64\00:38:30.74
and/or things
strangled, means with the blood.
00:38:30.77\00:38:33.91
Now, clearly, eating the blood
is part of the health laws.
00:38:33.94\00:38:36.81
So that would
include the health laws.
00:38:36.85\00:38:38.85
And you know, a lot of the meat
sold in the markets today is not
00:38:38.88\00:38:41.98
strangled, it's--or it
is strangled, you might say.
00:38:42.02\00:38:44.75
It's killed with the blood.
00:38:44.79\00:38:46.09
So, if you want to
know more about what is
00:38:46.12\00:38:51.06
and isn't allowed, you can
go to the Division of Peter
00:38:51.09\00:38:53.93
in chapter 10 where
Peter says, "Not so.
00:38:53.96\00:38:56.46
I've never eaten
anything common or unclean.
00:38:56.50\00:38:59.80
God has told me not
to call any man common,"
00:38:59.83\00:39:02.87
but he never
eats any unclean food.
00:39:02.90\00:39:05.84
And why would God suddenly
say that the food that was, you
00:39:05.87\00:39:11.75
know, forbidden in the Old
Testament is suddenly clean?
00:39:11.78\00:39:17.69
That's not what this
verse is dealing with.
00:39:17.72\00:39:19.89
Jean: You know, just to
add to that a little bit.
00:39:19.92\00:39:21.36
In the Old Testament we have
different categories of law.
00:39:21.39\00:39:23.86
You have the ceremonial law that
had to do with the sanctuary and
00:39:23.89\00:39:26.96
the sacrifices and the
priesthood, and then you had the
00:39:27.00\00:39:29.93
health laws that had to do with
clean and unclean foods and some
00:39:29.96\00:39:32.47
other real practical
health principles that we find.
00:39:32.50\00:39:35.57
There were the civil laws
that really govern the nation of
00:39:35.60\00:39:37.94
Israel, and then you have the
moral law, the Ten Commandments.
00:39:37.97\00:39:42.08
And it's interesting here that
he references--he references the
00:39:42.11\00:39:46.58
health laws, don't eat
things strangled in blood.
00:39:46.61\00:39:50.02
He talks about
the Ten Commandment
00:39:50.05\00:39:51.45
law, you know,
sexual immorality.
00:39:51.49\00:39:53.56
It talks about that's part
of the Ten Commandment law.
00:39:53.59\00:39:56.62
But then it also
includes idols or
00:39:56.66\00:39:59.26
don't eat things
offered to idols.
00:39:59.29\00:40:01.06
But it doesn't--it doesn't
reference the ceremonial law.
00:40:01.10\00:40:04.13
Doug: Yeah, well, it
doesn't say don't have--
00:40:04.17\00:40:05.47
it doesn't say honor
your father and mother.
00:40:05.50\00:40:07.77
So it's not like those
things are suddenly okay.
00:40:07.80\00:40:10.21
So he's--basically,
this is a statement to
00:40:10.24\00:40:13.24
address particular
challenges they were having
00:40:13.27\00:40:15.54
up north in
preaching with the Gentiles.
00:40:15.58\00:40:17.55
It wasn't a
comprehensive statement.
00:40:17.58\00:40:20.25
So, hope that helps
a little bit, Steve.
00:40:20.28\00:40:22.62
And I'm trying to
think if we have a--
00:40:22.65\00:40:24.99
Jean: We have a book
called, I think it's--
00:40:25.02\00:40:27.52
Doug: "God's Free Health Plan."
00:40:27.56\00:40:28.86
Jean: We've got that
too, "Written in Stone."
00:40:28.89\00:40:34.60
One talking about
the law, the other one
00:40:34.63\00:40:35.93
on the biblical
health principles.
00:40:35.96\00:40:38.20
The number to
call is 800-835-6747.
00:40:38.23\00:40:40.84
You're going to ask for
the study guide that's called,
00:40:40.87\00:40:42.60
"God's Free Health
Plan," or you can also ask
00:40:42.64\00:40:44.87
for the one
called, "Written in Stone."
00:40:44.91\00:40:47.18
We'll be happy to send it
to anyone who calls and asks.
00:40:47.21\00:40:49.94
Next caller that
we have is, let's see.
00:40:49.98\00:40:51.98
Who do we have next?
00:40:52.01\00:40:53.31
We've got Josiah
listening in Tennessee.
00:40:53.35\00:40:55.28
Josiah, welcome to the program.
00:40:55.32\00:40:57.49
Josiah: Hello.
00:40:57.52\00:40:59.02
Doug: Hi, how are
you? Josiah: Great.
00:40:59.05\00:41:01.86
Doug: And your question?
00:41:01.89\00:41:04.66
Josiah: It's why
do some angels have
00:41:04.69\00:41:07.50
four faces as
found in Ezekiel 10:14?
00:41:07.56\00:41:12.83
Doug: Well, good
for you. I'm glad.
00:41:12.87\00:41:14.17
How old are you?
00:41:14.20\00:41:16.07
Josiah: Nine.
00:41:16.10\00:41:17.74
Doug: You're nine, and
you're reading Ezekiel.
00:41:17.77\00:41:19.27
Bless your heart.
00:41:19.31\00:41:20.74
I know people that are
49, have never read Ezekiel,
00:41:20.78\00:41:23.85
and they've been going
to church all their life.
00:41:23.88\00:41:25.35
So I'm glad you're reading that.
00:41:25.38\00:41:26.92
You know, you might
also be interested to know,
00:41:26.95\00:41:29.92
if you go to the book
of Revelation, chapter 4,
00:41:29.95\00:41:32.95
is that where
it is, Pastor Ross?
00:41:32.99\00:41:34.29
Talks about these creatures
that have the same four faces.
00:41:34.32\00:41:38.26
And so the big question is when
John and when Ezekiel see these
00:41:38.29\00:41:42.63
unusual creatures around the
throne of God, does that mean
00:41:42.66\00:41:46.70
they were literal or is this
talking about creatures that,
00:41:46.74\00:41:52.37
let's look here, in Revelation
4, says, "There were four living
00:41:52.41\00:41:56.75
creatures," and
this is in verse 6.
00:41:56.78\00:42:00.18
"Four living creatures full
of eyes in the front and back.
00:42:00.22\00:42:02.82
First was like a lion, second
like a calf, third like a man,
00:42:02.85\00:42:07.06
and the fourth was
like a flying eagle."
00:42:07.09\00:42:08.92
I think those are the same that
you're going to find in Ezekiel.
00:42:08.96\00:42:11.79
And these are
telling us different
00:42:11.83\00:42:13.46
aspects of the
character of Jesus.
00:42:13.50\00:42:17.63
God is not surrounded in heaven
with these monstrous-looking
00:42:17.67\00:42:22.04
creatures that have
got four faces, but each
00:42:22.07\00:42:24.37
of those faces in the
visions here is telling
00:42:24.41\00:42:26.01
us something about
the character of Jesus.
00:42:26.04\00:42:28.74
Jean: For example, the
lion represents Christ before
00:42:28.78\00:42:31.11
he came to the earth,
represents royalty and kingship.
00:42:31.15\00:42:34.12
Talks about an ox.
That's an animal of sacrifice.
00:42:34.15\00:42:36.99
Jesus came to
bear our sins and die.
00:42:37.02\00:42:39.02
The man is a reference to
Christ as a high priest, our
00:42:39.05\00:42:41.69
intercessor in
heavenly sanctuary.
00:42:41.72\00:42:43.63
And it talks
about a flying eagle.
00:42:43.66\00:42:44.96
That's often
associated with judgment.
00:42:44.99\00:42:47.23
When Jesus comes, he comes as
King of kings and Lord of lords.
00:42:47.30\00:42:49.66
He comes to judge.
00:42:49.70\00:42:51.23
So there are some
parallels there in
00:42:51.27\00:42:52.87
what we see, characteristics
of Christ's ministry.
00:42:52.90\00:42:54.70
Doug: Different
aspects of the Lord, yeah.
00:42:54.74\00:42:57.01
Jean: Good question.
Doug: Thank you, Josiah.
00:42:57.04\00:42:58.91
Jean: Next caller that we have
is Jen, listening in Jamaica.
00:42:58.94\00:43:00.98
Jen, welcome to the program.
00:43:01.01\00:43:02.31
Jen: Hi, good evening,
Pastor Ross and Pastor Doug.
00:43:02.34\00:43:05.18
Doug: Evening,
and your question?
00:43:05.21\00:43:08.25
Jen: Yes, the question I have
is, based on 1 Corinthians 14,
00:43:08.28\00:43:12.89
verse 34, where it says to "Let
your women keep silent in the
00:43:12.92\00:43:17.26
churches: for it is not
permitted unto them to speak;
00:43:17.29\00:43:20.83
but they are commanded to
be under obedience, as also
00:43:20.86\00:43:23.93
saith the law."
00:43:23.97\00:43:25.27
Could you explain to
me what it means by "Women
00:43:25.30\00:43:27.84
are not
permitted to speak and are
00:43:27.87\00:43:30.17
commanded to be
under obedience"?
00:43:30.21\00:43:32.81
Doug: Okay, well, I think one
thing we can't deny is Paul says
00:43:32.84\00:43:37.48
that there is a distinction of
roles between men and women and
00:43:37.51\00:43:41.38
that's almost
unheard of in churches today.
00:43:41.42\00:43:43.95
But the Bible does teach there's
a distinction to be made.
00:43:43.99\00:43:46.76
Is Paul saying that women
are never to speak in church?
00:43:46.79\00:43:49.72
Well, that would be sort
of--that would be kind of
00:43:49.76\00:43:53.66
restrictive, you know,
if you could never speak.
00:43:53.70\00:43:55.93
The question is can
we find other examples of
00:43:55.96\00:43:57.90
women speaking in
church, guided by the Lord?
00:43:57.93\00:44:01.37
When Jesus is
dedicated as a baby in the
00:44:01.40\00:44:03.81
temple, Anna comes
over and she speaks.
00:44:03.84\00:44:08.54
You've got Hannah who is praying
and she's speaking when she goes
00:44:08.58\00:44:12.18
to the house of God
and she talks to Eli.
00:44:12.21\00:44:15.08
So this was not a complete
prohibition of women opening
00:44:15.12\00:44:18.89
their mouths and
speaking in church.
00:44:18.92\00:44:20.62
I think it's more in the context
of women preaching or taking
00:44:20.66\00:44:23.99
authority over
men, which was what
00:44:24.03\00:44:27.76
was happening in
the Corinthian church.
00:44:27.76\00:44:29.83
Now, Paul doesn't ever
mention this anywhere else.
00:44:29.86\00:44:33.03
Well, I shouldn't
say--this particular verse
00:44:33.07\00:44:34.97
is only
mentioned in Corinthians.
00:44:35.00\00:44:36.91
But, yeah, there's--you've got
women that are teaching children
00:44:36.94\00:44:41.81
in church and there's a
lot you can learn from women.
00:44:41.84\00:44:44.98
I think that the point that's
being made is that in the same
00:44:45.01\00:44:48.48
way that husbands were to be the
priest leaders in families, the
00:44:48.52\00:44:53.32
church being an
extension of the family
00:44:53.36\00:44:55.89
was to have the
same recognition.
00:44:55.92\00:44:58.46
Now, I know when I
go to China, there's
00:44:58.49\00:45:00.26
a lot of churches
where there is no men.
00:45:00.30\00:45:03.00
And that means they'd
all have to kind of use
00:45:03.03\00:45:05.67
sign language when
they come, they can't talk.
00:45:05.70\00:45:08.87
So, of course, they can talk in
church and--but this is really
00:45:08.90\00:45:13.38
Paul was seeing that there
was a disruption of the order.
00:45:13.41\00:45:15.71
Jean: Yeah, and
I think the verse
00:45:15.74\00:45:17.65
just previous to
this sheds some light.
00:45:17.68\00:45:19.75
It says, "For God is not the
author of confusion but of peace
00:45:19.78\00:45:22.95
as in all of the
churches of the saints."
00:45:22.98\00:45:24.52
It appears that in Corinth
there were some problems.
00:45:24.55\00:45:27.16
You read the whole letter that
Paul's writing to the believers
00:45:27.19\00:45:29.19
in Corinth, the church had a
number of issues to deal with
00:45:29.22\00:45:31.66
and one of which, which
he's addressing is there was
00:45:31.69\00:45:33.83
confusion in
their worship service.
00:45:33.86\00:45:35.76
People would be shouting out,
there was a lot of noise, things
00:45:35.80\00:45:38.33
were not being done decent and
in order, and one of the things
00:45:38.37\00:45:41.77
that Paul is
mentioning here, he says,
00:45:41.80\00:45:43.77
you know, "Let the
woman be silent in church."
00:45:43.81\00:45:46.14
In other words,
don't argue with the
00:45:46.17\00:45:47.51
husband,
perhaps, or with the men.
00:45:47.54\00:45:49.54
Listen quietly and there are
opportunities to share and talk
00:45:49.58\00:45:52.88
but things to be done
decently and in order.
00:45:52.91\00:45:55.52
And that's the point.
00:45:55.55\00:45:56.85
Doug: Another reason we know
that Paul is not saying that a
00:45:56.89\00:45:58.52
woman can't speak in church
is 'cause he has another verse
00:45:58.55\00:46:02.36
where he says, "If a
woman is to prophesy,
00:46:02.39\00:46:04.16
she should do it
with her head covered."
00:46:04.19\00:46:06.59
If she's praying or prophesying,
that obviously is out loud.
00:46:06.63\00:46:09.76
So, I hope that helped.
00:46:09.80\00:46:11.67
Now we do have a book
that talks about women
00:46:11.70\00:46:13.84
in ministry and it
does touch on these verses.
00:46:13.87\00:46:16.81
We'll send you a free copy.
00:46:16.84\00:46:18.27
Jean: The number to call is
800-835-6747 where you can ask
00:46:18.31\00:46:21.68
again for the book that's
called, "Woman in Ministry."
00:46:21.71\00:46:24.68
You can also dial #250 on your
smartphone, say "Bible Answers
00:46:24.71\00:46:27.98
Live," ask for the book by name,
and we will send it to you.
00:46:28.02\00:46:31.05
Doug: And I should mention
for Jen that she's in Jamaica,
00:46:31.09\00:46:34.06
it would be better
for her to read it online.
00:46:34.09\00:46:35.82
Jean: Just go to the
Amazing Facts website.
00:46:35.86\00:46:37.16
Doug: Yeah, 'cause we won't
be able to mail it to Jamaica.
00:46:37.19\00:46:38.76
Jean: Next caller that we have
00:46:38.79\00:46:40.10
is Patricia,
listening in Pennsylvania.
00:46:40.13\00:46:41.76
Patricia,
welcome to the program.
00:46:41.80\00:46:44.33
Patricia: Hello. Doug: Hi.
00:46:44.37\00:46:46.60
Patricia: Hi, so I have a
question that is--I just need an
00:46:46.63\00:46:51.61
answer, a Bible
answer for the question.
00:46:51.64\00:46:55.84
I have my niece and my
nephew, 10 and 8 years old.
00:46:55.88\00:47:02.42
My sister was murdered in front
of the kids in a murder-suicide.
00:47:02.45\00:47:06.45
So my niece had--I have them in
the Adventist school so my niece
00:47:06.49\00:47:11.06
came home with the question,
it's the Bible verse, "God
00:47:11.09\00:47:16.26
would never leave
you or forsake you."
00:47:16.30\00:47:19.37
But my nephew started
crying and saying, "But He did.
00:47:19.40\00:47:22.80
He allowed my mom to die."
00:47:22.84\00:47:24.14
How do I go about
letting the kids know
00:47:24.17\00:47:28.44
from the Bible,
'cause it's hard.
00:47:28.48\00:47:31.25
This is a
10-year-old and a 8-year-old.
00:47:31.28\00:47:33.95
So my question is how do I go
about letting them know how much
00:47:33.98\00:47:37.19
God loves them, even
after witnessing this tragedy?
00:47:37.22\00:47:42.82
Doug: Well, you need to have
a tough conversation, but you're
00:47:42.86\00:47:45.96
going to need to let them know
that when you look at the cross,
00:47:45.99\00:47:49.80
you can see that God does love
us but look at the suffering
00:47:49.83\00:47:53.44
that Jesus experienced
at the hands of the devil.
00:47:53.47\00:47:56.50
Sometimes, you know, people make
choices and God must let them go
00:47:56.54\00:48:04.31
forward with their choices
and it breaks His heart but, you
00:48:04.35\00:48:09.08
know, as we place
our lives in God's hands,
00:48:09.12\00:48:11.15
we don't--He doesn't
want us to live in fear.
00:48:11.19\00:48:12.99
Quote the verses where
Jesus said, "Don't live in fear.
00:48:13.02\00:48:15.02
Don't be afraid."
00:48:15.06\00:48:16.36
Yeah, there is evil in the
world, there's tragedies, and
00:48:16.39\00:48:18.69
it's just so heartbreaking
when the children see
00:48:18.73\00:48:20.76
this and it
creates so many questions.
00:48:20.80\00:48:24.03
You know, as
a--what you might do is
00:48:24.07\00:48:26.37
Amazing Facts has
a DVD for the kids.
00:48:26.40\00:48:29.84
It's called, "Cosmic Conflict."
00:48:29.87\00:48:31.67
It explains why is
there evil in the world.
00:48:31.71\00:48:34.48
Talks about the
battle between good and evil.
00:48:34.51\00:48:36.81
And not everything happening
in this world is God's will.
00:48:36.85\00:48:39.65
But you see Jesus on the cross,
we know the Lord loves us, yet
00:48:39.68\00:48:43.15
He suffered to save us from
suffering, but sometimes the
00:48:43.18\00:48:46.96
devil does things in the
world and he brings tragedy.
00:48:46.99\00:48:50.59
Jean: Of course,
the promise is that
00:48:50.63\00:48:51.93
God will never
leave us in the world.
00:48:51.96\00:48:54.10
Even those that we,
you know, we might look up
00:48:54.10\00:48:56.70
to or we might
trust, they might hurt us,
00:48:56.73\00:48:59.13
they might abandon
us, but God never does.
00:48:59.17\00:49:01.04
He is faithful
right to the very end.
00:49:01.07\00:49:03.34
We can hold on to Him.
00:49:03.37\00:49:04.84
Doug: Yeah,
so--but you could even show
00:49:04.87\00:49:06.98
'em, it's online,
they can watch it for free.
00:49:07.01\00:49:09.31
It's called, "Cosmic Conflict."
00:49:09.34\00:49:11.51
"Cosmic Conflict," and
that might help 'em understand.
00:49:11.55\00:49:14.05
Jean: All right, thank you.
00:49:14.08\00:49:15.38
And next caller that we have
is Dylan, listening in Nevada.
00:49:15.42\00:49:17.25
Dylan, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
00:49:17.29\00:49:20.82
Dylan: How you doing,
Pastor Ross, Pastor Doug?
00:49:20.86\00:49:24.19
Jean: Doing good, thanks.
00:49:24.23\00:49:25.53
Doug: Great, thanks for calling.
00:49:25.56\00:49:27.00
Dylan: That's awesome.
00:49:27.03\00:49:28.30
I've been going--I was
on a talk show, a Christian
00:49:28.33\00:49:31.90
show, and I've been
going to these meetings.
00:49:31.93\00:49:34.70
They have ministries,
like, radio station talk shows.
00:49:34.74\00:49:37.74
I'm just kind of shocked
at these ministers and pastors
00:49:37.77\00:49:41.11
don't really have a lot of
knowledge but I have mentioned
00:49:41.14\00:49:44.15
about Thessalonians, 1
Thessalonians, 'cause you know,
00:49:44.18\00:49:48.42
I've been talking with the
people and then, you know, I
00:49:48.45\00:49:50.82
kind of, you know, I hold my
tongue and speak when the Lord
00:49:50.85\00:49:54.19
tells me to move and speak
on things and then I was like,
00:49:54.22\00:49:57.29
"Well, hey,
don't look at me, man.
00:49:57.33\00:49:59.49
It says in
Thessalonians 'The dead in
00:49:59.53\00:50:02.36
Christ,' you
know, 'will be risen.'"
00:50:02.40\00:50:04.47
And then he asked me,
"Well, where do they go?"
00:50:04.50\00:50:07.70
And I know his mother's
kind of like, the hourglass is
00:50:07.74\00:50:10.04
going and her mother
was there at this lunch.
00:50:10.07\00:50:12.34
We go every Thursday.
00:50:12.37\00:50:13.68
And then I was,
like, "That's a good
00:50:13.71\00:50:15.34
question," 'cause
it doesn't say that.
00:50:15.38\00:50:17.61
And I was just wondering
do--'cause I know you guys have
00:50:17.65\00:50:19.98
a lot of knowledge, so I mean,
is--I know in Revelation it says
00:50:20.02\00:50:24.35
"Hades," but from
that verse from 13 into
00:50:24.39\00:50:27.79
18 it kind of
sums it up where we go.
00:50:27.82\00:50:30.73
I mean, is when
we die, we're dead.
00:50:30.76\00:50:33.16
We know nothing, correct?
00:50:33.19\00:50:34.83
Doug: Yeah, let's read the verse
00:50:34.83\00:50:36.13
for our friends
that are listening.
00:50:36.16\00:50:37.67
You and I know what we're
talking about, but a lot of
00:50:37.70\00:50:39.30
folks here, they
just hear "Thessalonians,"
00:50:39.33\00:50:40.80
they don't know what it means.
00:50:40.84\00:50:42.14
So in 1 Thessalonians chapter
4, and I'll start with verse 13:
00:50:42.17\00:50:46.37
"But I don't want you to be
ignorant, brethren, concerning
00:50:46.41\00:50:48.71
those who have fallen
asleep," meaning who have died,
00:50:48.74\00:50:51.81
"Lest you sorrow as
others that have no hope."
00:50:51.85\00:50:53.98
Christians don't
need to grieve as
00:50:54.02\00:50:56.02
others 'cause we do have hope.
00:50:56.05\00:50:58.22
"For if we believe that Jesus
died and rose again, even so God
00:50:58.25\00:51:02.22
will bring with Him
those who sleep in Jesus."
00:51:02.26\00:51:04.99
And then he tells what
the order is going to be.
00:51:05.03\00:51:07.50
"For we say to you by the Word
of the Lord, that we who are
00:51:07.50\00:51:09.96
alive and remain until the
coming of the Lord," some of us
00:51:10.00\00:51:12.73
will never die.
00:51:12.77\00:51:14.07
We'll be alive when
Jesus comes, "Will be no
00:51:14.10\00:51:16.04
means precede
those who are asleep."
00:51:16.07\00:51:18.41
So when they--we
get caught up to meet
00:51:18.44\00:51:20.38
the Lord, they're
already with the Lord.
00:51:20.41\00:51:21.81
How does that happen?
00:51:21.84\00:51:23.14
Verse 16, "For the Lord
Himself will descend from
00:51:23.18\00:51:25.45
heaven with a
shout, with the voice of
00:51:25.48\00:51:27.38
the archangel, and
the trumpet of God.
00:51:27.42\00:51:29.35
And the dead in
Christ rise first."
00:51:29.38\00:51:31.45
The dead are caught up, they're
sleeping in their graves.
00:51:31.49\00:51:34.22
They're caught up.
00:51:34.26\00:51:35.56
They meet the Lord in the
air and "Then we who are alive,"
00:51:35.59\00:51:39.26
verse 17, "Shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds
00:51:39.29\00:51:43.03
to meet the Lord.
00:51:43.06\00:51:44.37
Thus we shall
always be with the Lord."
00:51:44.40\00:51:45.73
So, the first resurrection when
Jesus comes, they're raised at
00:51:45.77\00:51:50.17
the Coming, we're
caught up to meet him.
00:51:50.21\00:51:52.27
You know, when a person believes
and they die, it says, "To be
00:51:52.31\00:51:56.01
absent from the body is
to be present with the Lord."
00:51:56.04\00:51:58.35
Their next conscious
thought is the resurrection.
00:51:58.38\00:52:00.45
They have no
consciousness of time.
00:52:00.48\00:52:01.78
But they're asleep.
00:52:01.82\00:52:03.12
Jesus said Lazarus is asleep
and until that resurrection.
00:52:03.15\00:52:06.55
Jesus said
they'll rise the last day.
00:52:06.59\00:52:08.92
That's the Second Coming.
00:52:08.96\00:52:10.19
At the end of the 1000 years,
Revelation 20, the rest of the
00:52:10.23\00:52:13.90
dead do not live 'til
the 1000 years are finished.
00:52:13.93\00:52:16.70
That's the wicked.
00:52:16.73\00:52:18.67
So if the dead in Christ are
blessed and holy in the first
00:52:18.70\00:52:20.77
resurrection, the ones who come
in the second resurrection are
00:52:20.80\00:52:24.24
not blessed and
holy, they're the unholy.
00:52:24.27\00:52:26.78
And so, they're raised and
they're part of that Great White
00:52:26.81\00:52:29.54
Throne Judgment and, after that,
it says they are cast into the
00:52:29.58\00:52:33.52
lake of fire and all punished
according to what they deserve.
00:52:33.55\00:52:37.02
So, I just gave you
a quick overview and I
00:52:37.05\00:52:39.99
think that's the
passage you're talking about.
00:52:40.02\00:52:42.32
But we do have a study guide
that talks about the millennium.
00:52:42.36\00:52:45.89
Jean: That's right, called
"1000 Years of Peace," and it
00:52:45.93\00:52:48.20
talks about the first
resurrection for the righteous,
00:52:48.23\00:52:50.73
second
resurrection for the wicked.
00:52:50.77\00:52:52.30
Just call and ask for
that. It's 800-835-6747.
00:52:52.33\00:52:56.24
You can ask for
that study guide.
00:52:56.27\00:52:57.57
It's called
"1000 Years of Peace."
00:52:57.61\00:52:59.31
We'll be happy to send it to
anyone who is in North America.
00:52:59.34\00:53:01.68
Also you can dial
#250 on your smartphone,
00:53:01.71\00:53:05.25
and you'll be able
to do that as well.
00:53:05.28\00:53:08.05
Thanks for your call.
00:53:08.08\00:53:09.38
Next caller that we have is--who
do we have next, Pastor Doug?
00:53:09.42\00:53:12.55
Doug: Maybe number eight.
00:53:12.59\00:53:14.02
Jean: Number eight, okay,
we've got, how do we say, Sawai?
00:53:14.06\00:53:19.29
Is that right,
from Oregon, Sawai?
00:53:19.33\00:53:21.66
Sawai: Sawai, hi guys.
00:53:21.70\00:53:23.43
Jean: Sawai, hi, welcome.
00:53:23.47\00:53:25.17
Sawai: Okay, let
me find it real quick.
00:53:25.20\00:53:30.54
When God created
Adam and Eve, were
00:53:30.57\00:53:31.97
they equal to God before sin?
00:53:32.01\00:53:35.68
Doug: Well, they were
made in the image of God,
00:53:35.71\00:53:37.28
but they certainly were not God.
00:53:37.31\00:53:39.78
They were equal in the sense
that God intended them to live
00:53:39.81\00:53:42.58
forever and they
could commune with the Lord.
00:53:42.62\00:53:47.62
It says the Lord would
walk and talk with them,
00:53:47.66\00:53:49.22
but humans never
have been divine.
00:53:49.26\00:53:52.43
We are creatures,
where God is the infinite,
00:53:52.46\00:53:55.36
everlasting to
everlasting Creator.
00:53:55.40\00:53:57.77
So is that
answering your question?
00:53:57.80\00:54:00.54
Sawai: No, I'm sorry.
00:54:00.57\00:54:02.74
As in were they
equal together, like,
00:54:02.77\00:54:05.07
were they
equally one, like, were--
00:54:05.11\00:54:08.14
Jean: Do you mean man and woman?
00:54:08.18\00:54:09.54
Sawai: Yes.
00:54:09.58\00:54:10.88
Doug: Yeah, of
equal value, absolutely.
00:54:10.91\00:54:13.25
Man and woman are both creatures
made in the image of God.
00:54:13.28\00:54:16.79
It says, "Male and
female, he made them."
00:54:16.82\00:54:19.82
Now, of course, the functions
of men and women are different.
00:54:19.85\00:54:22.22
And I think that's
sort of self-evident.
00:54:22.26\00:54:24.29
But as far as their value and
equality before God, absolutely.
00:54:24.33\00:54:30.50
There are differences
between the role of the
00:54:30.53\00:54:32.93
husband and the
wife as, I think, most
00:54:32.97\00:54:34.97
people understand
but, yeah, equal value.
00:54:35.00\00:54:39.24
Jesus died to
save men and women.
00:54:39.27\00:54:42.24
So, hopefully,
that helps a little bit.
00:54:42.28\00:54:44.91
Friends, I apologize, we are out
of time for this but, listen, if
00:54:44.95\00:54:47.88
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Jean: Hello,
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00:55:25.15\00:55:26.45
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And we're going
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00:55:27.82\00:55:29.12
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If you have an email--you have
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That's
BALquestions@amazingfacts.org.
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All right, Pastor Doug,
first question, "I heard you
00:55:40.87\00:55:42.97
say that capital
punishment is okay, but the
00:55:43.00\00:55:45.47
Bible says,
'You shall not kill.'
00:55:45.51\00:55:47.21
Isn't this a contradiction?"
00:55:47.24\00:55:49.11
Doug: Well, when it
says I said that capital
00:55:49.14\00:55:51.75
punishment is okay, I
hope that people aren't
00:55:51.78\00:55:54.38
basing their understanding
on anything I said.
00:55:54.42\00:55:58.49
The scriptures say that when it
comes to civil law and capital
00:55:58.52\00:56:04.29
punishment is dealing
with governments and how do
00:56:04.33\00:56:06.49
governments deal
with murder and criminals.
00:56:06.53\00:56:08.96
The scriptures say, according
to civil law, Paul in the New
00:56:09.00\00:56:11.87
Testament says that the
government does not bear the
00:56:11.90\00:56:14.70
sword in vain, meaning that
they're going to use that sword
00:56:14.74\00:56:18.21
to execute those that
violate, you know, a major law.
00:56:18.24\00:56:23.41
And, of course,
Moses said, "An eye
00:56:23.45\00:56:25.81
for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
00:56:25.85\00:56:27.52
Eye for eye, life for life."
00:56:27.55\00:56:29.85
And so this is what the
scriptures teach on this.
00:56:29.88\00:56:32.05
Now, when the Bible
says, "Thou shall not kill,"
00:56:32.09\00:56:34.42
is God saying to
break his own commandment?
00:56:34.46\00:56:36.39
This is often misunderstood.
00:56:36.42\00:56:38.23
In the--when you read the New
Testament, when Jesus quotes the
00:56:38.26\00:56:41.80
Ten Commandments, it's a
little clearer in the Greek.
00:56:41.83\00:56:44.70
Jesus says, "You
shall not do any murder."
00:56:44.73\00:56:47.77
Clearly, God did not
think it was wrong when
00:56:47.80\00:56:50.84
he sent his
soldiers to kill enemies.
00:56:50.87\00:56:53.81
David did not
break God's commandments
00:56:53.84\00:56:56.28
when he killed Goliath.
00:56:56.31\00:56:58.01
He was defending their country.
00:56:58.05\00:56:59.55
So, murder is the wrongful
taking of innocent life.
00:56:59.58\00:57:04.79
The commandment says,
"Thou shall do no murder."
00:57:04.82\00:57:07.96
So, that's different
from capital punishment.
00:57:07.99\00:57:11.23
Jean: Okay, next question
that we have, it says, "If we
00:57:11.26\00:57:13.90
are saved by faith in Jesus, why
does Revelation say that each
00:57:13.93\00:57:17.83
one will be judged
according to their deeds?"
00:57:17.87\00:57:20.24
Doug: Good question.
00:57:20.27\00:57:21.57
If we're saved
by faith, why are we
00:57:21.60\00:57:23.24
rewarded according to our works?
00:57:23.27\00:57:25.51
Because your
works--Jesus said, "You'll
00:57:25.54\00:57:27.91
know them by
your-- their fruits."
00:57:27.94\00:57:29.94
Your works
demonstrate if you are saved.
00:57:29.98\00:57:33.31
So once a person
has accepted Jesus
00:57:33.35\00:57:35.62
by faith, there'll
be a change in the life.
00:57:35.65\00:57:38.82
James says, "You can show me
your faith without your works
00:57:38.85\00:57:41.66
and I will show you
my faith by my works."
00:57:41.69\00:57:44.03
And so, Christ said we'll give
an account for every idle word
00:57:44.06\00:57:47.30
we speak, assuming it's
not repented of and forsaken.
00:57:47.30\00:57:52.20
So the Lord wants
us to turn from our
00:57:52.23\00:57:54.20
sins and live lives,
Paul says, of holiness.
00:57:54.24\00:57:57.41
Without holiness, no
one will see the Lord.
00:57:57.44\00:57:59.87
"Blessed are the pure in
heart. They will see God."
00:57:59.91\00:58:02.18
So he wants us to be
converted and live new lives.
00:58:02.21\00:58:05.08
Hey, thank you,
listening friends.
00:58:05.11\00:58:06.41
If they want to send in a
question, what do they do?
00:58:06.45\00:58:09.02
Jean:
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Doug: All right,
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