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Pastor Doug Batchelor.
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Doug Batchelor: Hello, friends.
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Would you like to
hear an amazing fact?
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Back in 1829, two men,
George Wilson and James Porter,
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robbed the United
States mail carrier.
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Both were captured, tried, and
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sentenced to
execution by hanging.
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Porter was executed on
schedule, but Wilson was not.
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Influential friends pleaded
on his behalf for mercy to the
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President of the
United States, Andrew Jackson.
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President Jackson
relented and issued
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a formal pardon,
dropping all charges.
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Wilson would still
have to serve a 20-year
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prison term for
his prior crimes.
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Incredibly, George
Wilson refused the pardon.
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So, what do you do with
a pardon that's rejected?
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The Supreme Court stepped in to
decide what happens to a person
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that does not accept
a presidential pardon.
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After some research,
Chief Justice John Marshall
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stated, "A pardon
refused is no pardon.
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George Wilson must be hanged."
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And he was.
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Kind of hard to imagine, Pastor
Ross, a person is offered a
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pardon from execution, and
they say, "I don't want it."
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They reject it.
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Jean Ross: It's
kind of sad to have
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a pardon and then reject it.
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But in a spiritual sense, there
are many in the world today who
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have rejected the pardon
that has been offered to them at
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great cost, through
the cross, through the
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crucifixion of
Christ, and yet they spur that
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pardon, and
they push that aside.
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Doug: Now, they're not only
being saved from death, they're
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being saved from an
eternal death, and the Bible
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calls it the
second death, and God is
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extending this
incredible grace and mercy.
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There's a number of
verses in the Bible that sort
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of highlight this
scorn or rejected pardon.
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You can read in
Proverbs 1, verse 24.
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It says, "Because I called
to you, and you refused, I
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stretched out my
hand and no one regarded."
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The Lord is
stretching out His hand.
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He's calling to the
world and saying, "Whosoever
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will, let him take
the water of life."
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And so many
people are just saying,
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"No, I'm not interested."
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No reason is
given in history why
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George Wilson
refused the pardon.
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You can only speculate,
but he said, "I don't want it."
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And how sad.
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Jean: It is sad.
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Well, you know, Pastor
Doug, we do have a book
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that talks about the
riches of God's grace
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and the forgiveness
that God offers to everyone.
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It's free.
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We've got to
receive it by faith.
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We'd be happy to send the book
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The number for the
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That is the
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can just ask for
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And if you're outside of
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Well, Pastor
Doug, we want to greet
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all of those who are joining us.
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This is our live program.
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So, if you have a
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That's
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with your Bible question.
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Doug: Amen.
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Jean: Well,
before we go to the phone
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lines, let's start
with a word of prayer.
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Dear Father, we thank
you that we have this time,
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once again, to open
up your Word and study.
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Lord, we recognize there is
power in your Word, and we ask
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for the Spirit to come and
guide us, be with those who are
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listening, wherever they might
be in their car, or at home, or
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whatever they're doing, Lord,
and guide us into a clearer and
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a full
understanding of your Word.
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And Jesus said,
"You'll know the truth,
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and the truth
will set you free."
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So, bless our time
together, in Jesus's name, amen.
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Doug: Amen.
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Jean: All right,
well, we're ready to go
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to our first
call of this evening.
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We've got Gary
listening in Illinois.
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Gary, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
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Gary: Thank you.
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In Revelation 7:3, it
says that the angels are told
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not to hurt the
earth, until the servants of
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God are sealed
in their forehead.
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Well, since they're
servants of God already,
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why do they need to be
sealed in their forehead?
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And if you don't
have that seal, in
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Revelation 9:4,
you will be hurt.
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So, that's my question.
What is the seal of God?
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Doug: You know,
first and foremost,
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the seal of God
is the Holy Spirit.
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You can read that
in Ephesians chapter 2.
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I think there's probably two or
three places that talks about,
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"Grieve not the Holy
Spirit, wherewith you
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are sealed unto
the day of redemption."
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But then there's something
in Revelation beyond that.
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Obviously, those
who have the mark of the
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beast have the
spirit of the devil.
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Those that have the seal
of God have the Spirit of God.
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I think that kind
of goes without saying.
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And you can read in Isaiah
chapter 8, it says, "Bind up the
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testimony, seal the
law among my disciples."
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So, when you look in Deuteronomy
chapter 6, Moses says to the
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children of
Israel, "Hear O Israel,"
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this is verse 4,
"the Lord our God is one.
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Thou shalt love the
Lord your God with all
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your heart, mind,
soul, and strength.
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And these words I
command you, today."
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He had just quoted the
Ten Commandments in chapter 5.
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"These words I command you,
today, shall be in your heart.
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You shall write them on
the doors of your house,
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when you go out,
when you come in.
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They shall be as frontlets
between your eyes, and they
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shall be written
upon your hands."
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So, when he says that the law
of God is to be sealed among his
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people, that's talking
about it is to be ingrained.
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It's to be
imbedded in their nature.
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The Bible says that they
have--he says, "I will give you
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a heart where you
want to do my will.
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I'll write my
law in your hearts."
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Now, God's people have the Holy
Spirit, but when they're sealed
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with the Holy
Spirit, they reach the point
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where they just can't
be lost, just like those
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who get the mark of
the beast can't be saved.
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Jean: Absolutely, Pastor Doug.
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You know, it's
all so interesting.
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Jesus said, "If you love
me, keep my commandments."
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And you're speaking about the
seal of God as the Holy Spirit,
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but the Holy
Spirit is manifest in the
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life of a
believer through obedience.
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Revelation 12:17 talks about
a group of people who have--or
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they keep the commandments of
God, and that the testimony of
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Jesus in Revelation 14:12 says
they have the faith of Jesus.
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So, those who keep God's
commandments, because they love
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Him, and they have the Holy
Spirit, in the last days there
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will be two groups,
those who have the seal of
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God and those who
have the mark of the beast,
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and the issue
revolves around worship.
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And, you know, we do have a
study guide that talks about,
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well, it talks about the mark of
the beast, but by default it'll
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also talk about the seal of God,
because you need both of them.
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If you'd like
to learn more about
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this subject, just call and ask.
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Ask for the study guide.
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It's called "The Mark of the
Beast," and we'll be happy to
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send that out to
anyone who calls and asks.
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The number
again is 800-835-6747.
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That is our resource phone line.
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You can also dial #250, say
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"I want that study
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If you have a Bible
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to the studio is 800-463-7297.
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Thank you, Gary.
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We've got Archie
listening in California.
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Archie, welcome to the program.
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Archie: Pastor
Ross, Pastor Ross.
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How are you doing, Pastor Doug?
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Doug: Good.
Appreciate your calling.
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Archie: Okay, my
question involves Deuteronomy
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14, verse 22, and then 24 to 26.
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I'd like to know--it doesn't
seem like it's telling people to
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use their tithes
for what it's meant for.
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Doug: Yeah, good question.
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Yeah, I appreciate that.
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And before we even give the
answer, for anyone out there
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that has a question about what
does the Bible say regarding
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tithe, we will
mention the free offer we have
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called, "In God You
Trust," in God we trust.
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We also have that book
called "Thieves in the Church."
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But let me get to the
point of your question here.
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There are two kinds of tithes.
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There was the regular
tithe that was given throughout
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the year on their
increase, whether that
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increase was
crops or herds or money.
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They were to consecrate a
tenth of all their increase.
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That was a general,
across the board tithe.
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A tenth of their
income, their increase was to
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be consecrated to
the Lord, given to
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the Levites for
their work of ministry.
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The Levites, keep in mind,
they're not just the pastors
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that taught the Word of
God throughout the land.
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They were something
like the doctors, as well.
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They were the judges.
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And so it was, you
know, you can call it a tax,
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but it was more
of a spiritual tax.
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But the tithe that's being
mentioned here in Deuteronomy 14
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was a tithe that was given
especially for the feasts, when
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they would come up
to these annual feasts.
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And not all the feasts required
them to come, but I think there
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were three feasts that required
them to come before the Lord,
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and these were
tithes connected with that.
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Jean: And if you want to
apply that to a New Testament
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type here, not only do we have
our tithes, which is ten percent
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of our increase, but we also
give offerings, and offerings is
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no set amount, but as the needs
arise in the church, if there's
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a special project or evangelism,
well, just to sustain the work
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of the local church, that's
what offerings are used for.
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Doug: Yeah, New
and Old Testament
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talk about tithe and offerings.
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And, of course, in the Old
Testament, you've got Malachi
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chapter 3 talks about
that, and Jesus mentions the
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tithe in, I think,
it's Matthew 23:23.
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Jean: And we do have a
study guide talking about that.
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It's called "In God We Trust."
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And, again, just
call 800-835-6747.
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Ask for the study guide.
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It's called "In God We Trust."
You can also ask for the book.
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It's called
"Thieves in the Church."
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And just ask, and
we'll be happy to send
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it to anyone who calls and asks.
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Next caller
that we have is Cathy
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listening in North Carolina.
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Cathy, you're on
"Bible Answers Live."
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Cathy: Hi, gentlemen.
Thank you for taking my call.
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Doug: Yeah.
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Cathy: Okay, I've got a
question on praying multiple
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times for the same object, I
mean, it seems to me if you just
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ask in faith, you sit there and
you go, "Okay, well, you either
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are going to say
yes, no, or wait a while."
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And--but I sort of get the
impression from some scripture
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that, like, Jesus talking about
the woman, like, her going to
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the judge and going, hey, you
know, please, please, please, or
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going to some guy and going
please, please, please give
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me, and finally her
persistence wore him
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down, and he gave
her what she wanted.
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And I wasn't sure if that was
Jesus saying, you know, keep on
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going until you get some
sort of answer, or I mean,
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just, like, I don't
do that with my kids.
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I don't say, okay, if you keep
begging me enough you'll get a
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different
answer, 'cause you won't.
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You don't beg me.
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It's yes, no, or
I'll think about it,
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but you just, then you shut up.
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Doug: Yeah, I
agree with you on that.
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And by the way, you're quoting
a parable that Jesus shares in
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Luke 18 about the persistent
widow, who continues to pray
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until she gets the answer
from this unrighteous judge.
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There's nothing
wrong with praying
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multiple times over something.
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I think anyone who
is a parent out there
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prays all the
time for their kids.
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And in the
Lord's Prayer, it says,
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"Give me this
day my daily bread."
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That implies
that--it doesn't say, "Give me
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my bread for the
rest of my life."
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You know, some things we just
continue to thank the Lord for
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and pray for an
on ongoing basis.
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Jesus said not to pray
in vain repetition, meaning,
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you don't just
repeat a memorized prayer.
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There's no value in that--that
just wears God down--but to have
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an ongoing issue
that you're praying about.
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Now, Paul continued
to pray to the Lord about
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what he called
the thorn in his side.
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I forget what that verse is.
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And after he prayed about it
three times, God said, "Let's
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not talk about it anymore,
I'm not answering that prayer."
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And so--but Paul,
obviously, he prayed more
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than once about it,
so there was no sin.
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Elijah prayed seven
times for rain in 1 Kings.
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After the fire
came down from heaven,
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he then prayed seven times.
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He kept sending his servant to
see, "Is God sending the rain?"
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So, sometimes you want a
persistent prayer, if you know
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that it's something
according to God's will.
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You may be praying
for loved ones for years.
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Jean: Yeah, I was
just going to add, I don't
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think God doesn't
want to hear us praying,
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but I think He wants
sincerity in our prayer.
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So, if it's just a vain
repetition, we don't mean what
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we're saying,
that isn't of value.
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But if it's an earnest
desire--and maybe there are
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times we've got to bring up
something multiple times before
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the Lord for strength, our own
strength, to gain the victory,
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or in the situation of, you
know, a relationship, or a need
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for healing, but we don't
want to do the vain repetition.
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Doug: Right, yeah. I
pray for mercy every day.
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Jean: We need that, yeah.
All right, we do have a book.
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It's called "Teach Us to Pray,"
and we'll be happy to send this
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to you, Cathy, or
anyone wanting to learn more.
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The number is
800-835-6747. Ask for the book.
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It's called "Teach Us to Pray."
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We'll be happy to
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if you're
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to our website,
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00:14:10.85\00:14:13.62
And if you have a Bible
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Randy's listening in Indiana.
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Randy, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
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Randy: Good
evening, Pastors. Thank you.
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My question is about hell.
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The Bible does say in Revelation
that at the very end, when the
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wicked finally say, "Just and
true are thy ways," that fire is
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going to come down
from heaven and devour them.
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My question specifically is,
is that fire literally going to
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come down, or is God going
to reveal His face to the world,
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and they're going to
basically be incinerated?
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Because the Bible
also says that no man
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has ever seen God and lived.
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Doug: Right.
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Well, you're actually,
you're on to something.
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You're looking at
two different events.
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The wicked are destroyed by
the brightness of His coming.
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I believe
that's 2 Thessalonians.
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So, when Jesus comes, the
brightness of His coming is
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going to just
destroy the wicked.
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But at the end of the
1,000 years, it says the rest
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of the dead don't live until
the thousand years are finished.
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That's Revelation 20.
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That means the rest of
the dead, the wicked are
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raised at the end
of the 1,000 years.
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They are then
ultimately judged, and
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then God rains
fire down upon them.
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He literally rained fire upon
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the people in
Sodom and Gomorrah.
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The Bible says the destruction
of the wicked will be like Sodom
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and Gomorrah, and it keeps
raining down just like in the
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days of Noah,
when it rained down.
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It finally turned
into a flood and a lake.
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The whole world was covered.
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It rains down
outside the New Jerusalem,
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and it creates what
they call a lake of fire.
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And, of course, the
devil and his angels must be
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physically thrown
into that lake of fire.
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It tells us that's
what happens to them.
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So, the wicked, the
devil, and the angels
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are all cast into
this lake of fire.
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God rains it down.
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You could see it
coming from every direction.
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Jean: You know, we
have a study guide.
00:16:08.03\00:16:09.33
It's called "Is the
Devil in Charge of Hell?"
00:16:09.36\00:16:11.00
And it talks
about this fire that
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consumes the wicked at the end.
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How long is the fire?
What does the fire accomplish?
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All of that's
answered in the book,
00:16:16.67\00:16:18.11
"Is the Devil
in Charge of Hell?"
00:16:18.14\00:16:19.91
The number for
that is 800-835-6747.
00:16:19.94\00:16:24.01
And, again, just
ask for the study guide.
00:16:24.05\00:16:25.35
It's called, "Is the
Devil in Charge of Hell?"
00:16:25.38\00:16:27.58
And we do have a
website, Pastor Doug.
00:16:27.62\00:16:29.02
It's called helltruth.com.
00:16:29.05\00:16:31.05
Just helltruth.com.
00:16:31.09\00:16:32.39
A lot of great
information there, also
00:16:32.42\00:16:34.26
some studies,
some Bible references.
00:16:34.29\00:16:36.19
So, take a look at that.
00:16:36.22\00:16:38.26
We've got Joshua
listening in Kentucky.
00:16:38.29\00:16:40.30
Joshua, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
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Joshua: Hey, how
are you guys, tonight?
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Doug: Doing good.
Thank you for calling.
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Joshua: I
remember seeing Doug at
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the "Reclaim Your Faith."
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I think I scared him in DC once.
I put my hand on his shoulder.
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I said, "Hi,
Doug." He turned around.
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Doug: I don't
remember being scared,
00:16:56.68\00:16:57.98
but sorry, I don't remember.
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Joshua: I've got
a question for you.
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You know, the 144,000 is a topic
that seems to keep coming up in
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this last day theology
that I'm hearing about.
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There's only going to be 144,000
perfect people standing when
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Christ comes back that will be
translated to heaven, and I just
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find that hard to believe,
based on if there is an exacting
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number of 144,000, the
percentage of that compared to
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8 billion people
on planet earth would
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be very slim
possibility of going to heaven.
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And the other factor is
the predestination theology.
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Is there really only
144,000 that are predestined
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to go to heaven
and be translated?
00:17:44.96\00:17:47.46
And I think the
theology is, like, out
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of control,
spreading like a wildfire.
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And I just find
that hard to believe.
00:17:53.84\00:17:55.80
And, you know, the judgment, the
other part of the question is
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people are scared
of the judgment, this
00:18:01.34\00:18:03.24
investigated
judgment that's going on.
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I said, "Well,
why are you scared?
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You're going to be looked
at whether you're dead or going
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through the books, or
what you're doing before
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in your life when
Christ is coming back."
00:18:11.62\00:18:13.46
I would just like
you to expound on these
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two topics briefly, if you can.
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Doug: Okay.
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First of all, the 144,000
mentioned in Revelation chapter
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7, Revelation 14,
is it a literal number?
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I believe it is, but they
are not the only ones saved.
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So, I would just
say the 144,000 it talks
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about 12,000 from the 12 tribes.
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Jesus had 12 apostles
that reached a great multitude.
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Jesus not only had 12 apostles.
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Jesus had 70
disciples He sent out.
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On the day of
Pentecost, it says there was 120
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in the upper room
and 3,000 were baptized.
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So, if you read the whole
chapter of chapter 7, you read
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in verse 9, it says, "And after
these things, I looked, and
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behold, a great multitude
that no one could number, of all
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nations, tribes,
peoples, and tongues,
00:19:01.94\00:19:03.87
standing before the
throne and the Lamb.
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They are
clothed in white robes."
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So, there's a great multitude
that cannot be numbered.
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And John says, "Who are
these arrayed in white robes?"
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And the angel
says, "These are they
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that came out of
great tribulation."
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So, if you think of the
great tribulation at the
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end of time, it
says there's a great
00:19:20.92\00:19:22.62
multitude that
comes out of that.
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Don't think of the
144,000 as the only ones saved.
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Think of them something
like they are the leaders.
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In Acts chapter 2,
God had the 12 apostles.
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After they replaced
Judas--they were down
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to 11, because
Judas hung himself.
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They replaced Judas.
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Then God pours
out the Holy Spirit.
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The 12 start
preaching, plus the 120 in the
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upper room, and a
great multitude is reached.
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It's the same scenario in the
last days, except it's not 12.
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It's 12 times 12,000
Spirit-filled leaders that'll be
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around the
world doing this work.
00:19:54.82\00:19:56.59
They are not
the only ones saved.
00:19:56.62\00:19:58.69
Jean: We have a
book, Pastor Doug.
00:19:58.73\00:20:00.03
It's called, "Who
Will Sing the Song?
00:20:00.06\00:20:01.80
Understanding the 144,000."
00:20:01.83\00:20:03.60
And it's about
this important group you
00:20:03.63\00:20:05.07
read about in
Revelation chapter 7.
00:20:05.10\00:20:06.60
Just call and ask.
00:20:06.63\00:20:07.94
We'll be happy to
send you the book.
00:20:07.97\00:20:09.27
The number again is
800-835-6747, and you can ask
00:20:09.30\00:20:13.31
for the book, "Who
Will Sing the Song?
00:20:13.34\00:20:15.18
Understanding the 144,000."
00:20:15.21\00:20:17.05
You can also get that by
pressing #250 on your phone, and
00:20:17.08\00:20:21.18
just say, "Bible
Answers Live," say, "I want
00:20:21.22\00:20:23.25
the book, 'Who
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00:20:23.28\00:20:25.22
And we'll be happy to send
it to anyone who calls and asks.
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That's right. All
right, thank you, Joshua.
00:20:27.79\00:20:29.86
We've got Tammy
listening in Washington.
00:20:29.89\00:20:31.69
Tammy, welcome to the program.
00:20:31.73\00:20:34.20
Tammy: Hi, Pastors.
00:20:34.23\00:20:36.00
Thank you for taking my call.
00:20:36.03\00:20:38.50
I'm also a
friend of Pastor Samuel
00:20:38.53\00:20:40.87
Thomas, who
knows Pastor Batchelor.
00:20:40.90\00:20:43.41
Doug: Yes.
00:20:43.44\00:20:44.74
Tammy: And he has
a lot of respect for
00:20:44.77\00:20:46.34
you, and he's a
very busy person.
00:20:46.37\00:20:49.98
And I know you have this
show, so I have a question.
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It's in regards to Revelation,
where God says that He's going
00:20:54.15\00:21:00.29
to wipe all the tears from our
eyes and take our sorrows away.
00:21:00.32\00:21:06.80
My kids were
dedicated in the church,
00:21:06.83\00:21:09.26
and I have a granddaughter.
00:21:09.30\00:21:10.83
And I know I had saw something
earlier on a program you did
00:21:10.87\00:21:15.14
about saying that
you're not sure if all children
00:21:15.17\00:21:18.57
will be in heaven or not
before the age of accountability
00:21:18.61\00:21:22.04
if one or both
parents are not saved.
00:21:22.08\00:21:26.01
So, my question is,
is how is God going to
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wipe away those
memories, if we have loved ones
00:21:29.18\00:21:32.22
like that, that are
not going to be in heaven?
00:21:32.25\00:21:37.56
Doug: Yeah, and I think
everybody has faced that, and
00:21:37.59\00:21:40.93
probably, if you've lived a
little while, you've gone to a
00:21:40.96\00:21:42.93
funeral before, and you really
had serious doubts about whether
00:21:42.96\00:21:46.00
the person had
accepted Christ, and what
00:21:46.03\00:21:48.74
are they going to
see in the resurrection?
00:21:48.77\00:21:50.07
Are they going to be ready?
00:21:50.11\00:21:51.94
And how do you cope with that?
00:21:51.97\00:21:53.61
Well, you know,
one thing you do is
00:21:53.64\00:21:55.44
you put it in the
hands of the Lord.
00:21:55.48\00:21:57.65
The Bible has an
interesting statement.
00:21:57.68\00:21:59.48
It's a very short verse.
00:21:59.51\00:22:01.12
King David had
a son named Amnon.
00:22:01.15\00:22:03.72
Of course, he had three
sons that kind of went sideways.
00:22:03.75\00:22:06.99
We had Amnon, Absalom, and
Adonijah, all begin with an A.
00:22:07.02\00:22:12.49
And Amnon did some terrible
things, and he died suddenly.
00:22:12.53\00:22:17.13
And David mourned for him.
00:22:17.17\00:22:18.77
And then it says in 2
Samuel 13:39, "And David
00:22:18.80\00:22:23.14
longed to be
with his son Absalom.
00:22:23.17\00:22:25.57
For he had been
comforted concerning
00:22:25.61\00:22:27.24
Amnon, because he was dead."
00:22:27.28\00:22:30.45
In other words, David said,
you know, "I'm going to cry, I'm
00:22:30.48\00:22:32.78
going to mourn, but I'm not
going to cry forever, because
00:22:32.81\00:22:35.15
I've got other children that
need my attention, and I've got
00:22:35.18\00:22:38.72
the kingdom that needs
my attention, and I'm going
00:22:38.75\00:22:40.49
to just put
this in God's hands."
00:22:40.52\00:22:42.19
And that's why it says God
wipes the tears from our eyes,
00:22:42.22\00:22:46.36
because, you know,
facing eternity without
00:22:46.39\00:22:48.80
someone you love is
a horrendous thought.
00:22:48.83\00:22:52.17
But it would take a God then to
comfort you at times like that.
00:22:52.20\00:22:56.57
And think about this.
00:22:56.60\00:22:59.37
Who loves people the most?
00:22:59.41\00:23:02.38
Any earthly parent or God?
00:23:02.41\00:23:04.58
And how does God feel about the
millions, if not billions that
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are going to be lost forever,
that could've had eternal life?
00:23:10.69\00:23:14.69
He understands how we feel.
00:23:14.72\00:23:16.93
And I think the whole universe,
there'll be a little mourning.
00:23:16.96\00:23:19.53
There'll be some
sorrow, but God then, at the end
00:23:19.56\00:23:21.96
of the 1,000 years
is when he says he wipes
00:23:22.00\00:23:23.93
away all the
tears from our eyes.
00:23:23.97\00:23:26.53
All right, appreciate that.
00:23:26.57\00:23:27.87
Jean: Very good,
thank you, Tammy.
00:23:27.90\00:23:29.20
We've got Paul
listening in Tennessee.
00:23:29.24\00:23:30.54
Paul, welcome to the program.
00:23:30.57\00:23:32.37
Paul: Hello, yeah, thank
you so much for taking my call.
00:23:32.41\00:23:34.78
Doug: Thank you.
00:23:34.81\00:23:36.28
Paul: Yeah, my
question is in regard
00:23:36.31\00:23:38.08
to what happens after death.
00:23:38.11\00:23:40.55
Been watching you a long
time. I've learned a lot.
00:23:40.58\00:23:43.72
And I just want to know if, you
know, when we die, if we're dead
00:23:43.75\00:23:47.12
asleep, or if we're
dead until the resurrection,
00:23:47.16\00:23:49.69
or if we go
straight to God in heaven.
00:23:49.72\00:23:52.23
And I've talked to you.
00:23:52.26\00:23:53.56
I've heard you talk about
Corinthians 5:8, "To be absent
00:23:53.60\00:23:57.23
from the body is to be present
with the Lord," and I've heard
00:23:57.27\00:23:59.53
you speak on that
one, but I'd like for you
00:23:59.57\00:24:00.94
to touch on Philippians 1:23-24.
00:24:00.97\00:24:04.97
The part that's
confusing me is, "But it's more
00:24:05.01\00:24:07.38
necessary for you
that I remain in the body."
00:24:07.41\00:24:10.11
So, is he saying he does
leave the body when he dies
00:24:10.15\00:24:12.08
and is he
consciously with the Lord?
00:24:12.11\00:24:15.05
Doug: Well, when you die,
your consciousness certainly
00:24:15.08\00:24:17.95
leaves the body, because your
body decomposes, and you don't
00:24:17.99\00:24:22.29
resume your consciousness again
until God raises you at the
00:24:22.32\00:24:25.76
resurrection,
which for a believer is
00:24:25.79\00:24:28.96
going to seem
like just a moment.
00:24:29.00\00:24:33.44
There are 12
examples of resurrections
00:24:33.47\00:24:36.24
in the Bible, approximately.
00:24:36.27\00:24:38.91
And in all of those cases, none
of those resurrected ever made a
00:24:38.94\00:24:44.21
comment on being aware
of anything while dead.
00:24:44.25\00:24:48.58
Solomon said, "The
living, though they'll
00:24:48.62\00:24:50.05
die, the dead
don't know anything."
00:24:50.09\00:24:52.32
Jesus said, "Our
friend Lazarus is asleep."
00:24:52.35\00:24:55.16
And then they thought,
"Oh, that's good, he's resting."
00:24:55.19\00:24:56.76
Jesus said, "No, he's dead."
00:24:56.79\00:24:58.33
But Jesus
referred to it as asleep.
00:24:58.36\00:25:01.56
So, that's what Paul says.
00:25:01.60\00:25:03.77
We don't need to sorrow
concerning those who have fallen
00:25:03.80\00:25:07.14
asleep, and that's 1
Thessalonians chapter 4.
00:25:07.17\00:25:09.94
We don't sorrow as
others that have no hope.
00:25:09.97\00:25:12.14
So, consistently
through the Bible it
00:25:12.17\00:25:15.24
refers to the
dead as they're asleep.
00:25:15.28\00:25:19.91
For them their next
conscious thought is
00:25:19.95\00:25:22.12
the presence of the
Lord in the resurrection.
00:25:22.15\00:25:24.02
So, you know, I understand
people say, "Oh, our loved one's
00:25:24.05\00:25:26.55
with the Lord,"
but it gives the wrong
00:25:26.59\00:25:28.46
impression, because
they're not there yet.
00:25:28.49\00:25:30.29
Jesus hasn't come yet.
00:25:30.33\00:25:31.73
The judgment
hasn't taken place yet.
00:25:31.76\00:25:34.00
So, a person's theology just
runs into a whole gauntlet of
00:25:34.03\00:25:37.57
problems when they think
that people die and go right to
00:25:37.60\00:25:39.83
heaven before the
resurrection and the judgment.
00:25:39.87\00:25:43.07
And indeed, the idea
that they would die and go
00:25:43.10\00:25:46.47
to the lake of fire
before the resurrection and
00:25:46.51\00:25:48.64
the judgment is
also a big problem.
00:25:48.68\00:25:50.85
So, the dead are unconscious
until these resurrections
00:25:50.88\00:25:54.88
mentioned in Revelation, the
first and second resurrection.
00:25:54.92\00:25:58.02
Jean: So, when Paul talks
about being absent from the
00:25:58.05\00:26:00.19
body, he's not
talking about a soul ascending
00:26:00.22\00:26:03.29
to heaven separate from
the body and being aware
00:26:03.32\00:26:06.06
of what's
happening here on the earth.
00:26:06.09\00:26:07.46
He's just simply
meaning that to be dead,
00:26:07.50\00:26:09.76
that is to be
absent from the body.
00:26:09.80\00:26:11.27
And then, of course,
the resurrection is the next
00:26:11.30\00:26:13.30
conscious thing
you know or you see.
00:26:13.34\00:26:15.10
So, there's no time
lapse for the person who died.
00:26:15.14\00:26:17.91
The very next
conscious thought is
00:26:17.94\00:26:19.24
the second
coming of Christ, right?
00:26:19.27\00:26:20.91
Doug: And let me--you
know, I never did the justice
00:26:20.94\00:26:22.61
of reading the
verse he was asking about.
00:26:22.64\00:26:24.35
So, let's read that
real quick, Philippians
00:26:24.38\00:26:25.81
chapter 1, verse--I'll go to 22.
00:26:25.85\00:26:29.62
"But if I live on in the flesh,
this will mean fruit from my
00:26:29.65\00:26:32.99
labor; yet what I
choose I cannot tell.
00:26:33.02\00:26:35.89
For I am hard-pressed
between the two, having
00:26:35.92\00:26:37.53
a desire to depart
and be with Christ."
00:26:37.56\00:26:39.63
Of course, if he
dies, the next thing
00:26:39.66\00:26:40.96
he knows is the resurrection.
00:26:40.96\00:26:42.26
He's with the Lord,
"which is far better.
00:26:42.30\00:26:44.50
Nevertheless to
remain in the flesh
00:26:44.53\00:26:45.90
or the body is
more needful for you."
00:26:45.93\00:26:47.80
He said, "If I stay
here in this life, it's
00:26:47.84\00:26:49.54
going to be more
beneficial to you."
00:26:49.57\00:26:51.27
But when Paul
died, he was executed
00:26:51.31\00:26:54.94
by Nero, he went to sleep.
00:26:54.98\00:26:57.25
He closed his eyes,
and it's been 2,000 years,
00:26:57.28\00:27:02.42
but for him it's not
going to seem like that, yeah.
00:27:02.45\00:27:06.12
Hopefully that--we
have a study guide that
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talks about are
the dead really dead?
00:27:07.69\00:27:09.09
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Our next caller is
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00:30:39.20\00:30:41.40
Glen, welcome to the program.
00:30:41.44\00:30:43.71
Glen: Good evening.
00:30:43.74\00:30:45.04
Thank you very
much for taking my call.
00:30:45.07\00:30:47.21
And, you know, I've
got kind of a toughie here.
00:30:47.24\00:30:49.48
Doug: Okay. Glen:
A surprise ending.
00:30:49.51\00:30:51.55
If I may say that right out
of the clear blue sky, God said,
00:30:51.58\00:30:56.08
"In the beginning," and
when He said that, He started a
00:30:56.12\00:30:59.82
dispensation of time, and
I think we're living in that
00:30:59.85\00:31:03.43
dispensation of time right now
and have the Bible, which is not
00:31:03.46\00:31:06.80
only history, but also prophetic
events, and it takes us--God
00:31:06.83\00:31:11.53
said that He would never pull
anything off on His creation
00:31:11.57\00:31:15.00
that He didn't tell
them about ahead of time.
00:31:15.04\00:31:17.01
So, I think a lot of the book of
Revelation is in this setting,
00:31:17.04\00:31:21.34
things that are
scheduled that could take place.
00:31:21.38\00:31:25.68
But the question I have is this.
00:31:25.71\00:31:30.92
When in Matthew it
says that things will get so
00:31:30.95\00:31:34.39
bad that even the very
elect would be in trouble
00:31:34.42\00:31:39.69
and time would be
shortened because of that.
00:31:39.73\00:31:43.10
And then when time's going to be
shortened, there's also a place
00:31:43.13\00:31:45.93
that says, "And
time shall be no more."
00:31:45.97\00:31:49.07
My question is, is when we come
to that time in the Bible in
00:31:49.10\00:31:52.67
history, prophetic
and historical things,
00:31:52.71\00:31:57.08
and it says time
shall be no more, what can
00:31:57.11\00:31:59.28
we expect after
time should be no more?
00:31:59.31\00:32:02.45
Doug: All right, thank you.
00:32:02.48\00:32:03.79
Well, you're talking really
about two things there, Glen.
00:32:03.82\00:32:06.79
When Jesus said, "For the
elect's sake, those days will be
00:32:06.82\00:32:10.03
shortened," meaning there'd
be a time of persecution and
00:32:10.06\00:32:13.53
deception near the end, and
God is not going to prolong the
00:32:13.56\00:32:17.27
misery of the righteous.
00:32:17.30\00:32:18.97
The elect will be
spared, because the time of the
00:32:19.00\00:32:22.60
persecution and
deception will be shortened.
00:32:22.64\00:32:25.37
But in Revelation, when it says,
"And time shall be no more,"
00:32:25.41\00:32:28.88
there's a couple
of things happening.
00:32:28.91\00:32:30.21
One is, I understand,
of course, that would
00:32:30.25\00:32:31.91
mean prophetic time is no more.
00:32:31.95\00:32:33.52
All the prophetic times
in the Bible are fulfilled.
00:32:33.55\00:32:36.08
And the other thing is
we've entered eternity.
00:32:36.12\00:32:39.02
The righteous all have eternal
life, and so our view of time is
00:32:39.05\00:32:42.39
going to be different
from that point on, in that,
00:32:42.42\00:32:47.56
yeah--do you really
celebrate birthdays every
00:32:47.60\00:32:50.23
year when you
live billions of years?
00:32:50.27\00:32:53.64
But that's beside
the point, I guess.
00:32:53.67\00:32:56.50
Jean: I think specifically
you're referring to the phrase
00:32:56.54\00:32:58.81
where in Revelation
chapter 10 the angel that's
00:32:58.84\00:33:02.44
seen in that vision
lifts his hand towards
00:33:02.48\00:33:04.51
heaven and says,
"Time shall be no longer."
00:33:04.55\00:33:06.85
And it's specifically
referring to prophetic time,
00:33:06.88\00:33:09.72
because that ties in
with the prophecy you
00:33:09.75\00:33:11.05
find in Daniel
chapter 8, verse 14.
00:33:11.09\00:33:13.72
But time goes on after
that--at least not prophetic
00:33:13.76\00:33:17.93
time, not a date per
se, but time does go on
00:33:17.96\00:33:20.16
until you have the
close of probation.
00:33:20.20\00:33:22.16
And then, of course,
the seven last plagues
00:33:22.20\00:33:23.67
and the second coming of Christ.
00:33:23.70\00:33:25.47
All right,
well, thank you, Glen.
00:33:25.50\00:33:26.80
We've got Ben
listening in Tennessee.
00:33:26.84\00:33:28.27
Ben, welcome to the program.
00:33:28.30\00:33:30.61
Ben: I thank you very much.
00:33:30.64\00:33:31.94
I'm so excited
about talking to you both,
00:33:31.97\00:33:34.14
Pastor
Batchelor and Pastor Ross.
00:33:34.18\00:33:37.38
I have a quick question.
00:33:37.41\00:33:39.51
I believe, strongly believe that
Jesus didn't die on a Friday.
00:33:39.55\00:33:43.95
Why are we
celebrating Good Friday today
00:33:43.99\00:33:47.32
as Jesus's
crucifixion and death?
00:33:47.36\00:33:49.79
Doug: Okay.
00:33:49.82\00:33:51.13
If Jesus didn't
die on Friday, why
00:33:51.16\00:33:53.43
are we celebrating Good Friday?
00:33:53.46\00:33:56.36
Well, first of all,
most Protestants don't
00:33:56.40\00:34:00.04
make a holiday
out of Good Friday.
00:34:00.07\00:34:02.14
That's--so when you
say we celebrating it,
00:34:02.17\00:34:05.84
most Protestants
don't celebrate it.
00:34:05.87\00:34:08.61
You've got, like, Ash Wednesday.
00:34:08.64\00:34:09.94
Those are usually
Catholic traditions.
00:34:09.98\00:34:13.05
But let me come back to you.
00:34:13.08\00:34:14.72
Why are you saying
that Jesus did not die?
00:34:14.75\00:34:17.72
Because I believe the Bible
says Christ was executed on the
00:34:17.75\00:34:20.19
preparation day,
which would be Friday.
00:34:20.22\00:34:22.16
So, I don't have
a problem with that.
00:34:22.19\00:34:23.76
What is your reason
for not believing that?
00:34:23.79\00:34:26.86
Ben: Well, I believe that
He was crucified on a Wednesday
00:34:26.90\00:34:29.76
evening, because of the fact
that He said that He was going
00:34:29.80\00:34:32.90
to be dead three days and three
nights, three full days and
00:34:32.93\00:34:36.74
three nights, and then
that wasn't the Passover day.
00:34:36.77\00:34:40.78
The next day will be the
Feast of the Unleavened Bread,
00:34:40.81\00:34:44.41
which was to be
the high Sabbath,
00:34:44.45\00:34:47.02
which was on Thursday, okay?
00:34:47.05\00:34:49.38
Doug: Yeah, let's talk
about that for a second.
00:34:49.42\00:34:50.72
I suspected that
you were talking about--
00:34:50.75\00:34:52.55
there's one verse in
Matthew 12 where Jesus--I
00:34:52.59\00:34:55.42
think it starts
in verse 38 or 39.
00:34:55.46\00:34:58.06
He said, "It's an evil
and adulterous generation
00:34:58.09\00:35:01.46
that seeks after a
sign, and no sign will be
00:35:01.50\00:35:03.37
given except the
sign of the prophet Jonah.
00:35:03.40\00:35:05.97
For as Jonah was three
days and three nights in the
00:35:06.00\00:35:08.90
belly of the fish, so the
Son of Man will be three days
00:35:08.94\00:35:11.71
and three nights in
the heart of the earth."
00:35:11.74\00:35:13.61
And some people
believe that means
00:35:13.64\00:35:15.58
that Jesus would
be dead three days.
00:35:15.61\00:35:17.61
I think I heard
you just say that.
00:35:17.65\00:35:20.35
And not only that, but I believe
that some people assume that
00:35:20.38\00:35:26.49
that means He must
have been crucified sooner.
00:35:26.52\00:35:29.32
When Jesus says three days and
three nights there in Matthew
00:35:29.36\00:35:32.36
12, He's talking
about His sufferings.
00:35:32.39\00:35:35.60
The suffering is
both suffering and death.
00:35:35.63\00:35:38.60
The penalty for
sin is not just death.
00:35:38.63\00:35:40.57
It's suffering and death.
00:35:40.60\00:35:41.90
Jesus didn't
just die for our sins.
00:35:41.94\00:35:44.61
He suffered and died.
00:35:44.64\00:35:46.34
And Thursday night, when Christ
was betrayed, He said in the
00:35:46.37\00:35:50.01
Garden of Gethsemane,
"Now is the hour of darkness."
00:35:50.05\00:35:54.95
The disciples had fallen
asleep while they were praying.
00:35:54.98\00:35:57.75
That's when His sufferings
began, when the mob came to
00:35:57.79\00:36:00.82
arrest Him, Judas betrayed Him,
he was in the heart of the earth
00:36:00.86\00:36:05.59
for three days and three nights,
not talking about the grave.
00:36:05.63\00:36:08.16
It's talking about in
the clutches of the devil.
00:36:08.20\00:36:10.63
Nowhere in the
Bible do we call the grave
00:36:10.67\00:36:12.53
the heart of the
earth anywhere else.
00:36:12.57\00:36:14.30
So, people have assumed that
was talking about just the tomb.
00:36:14.34\00:36:17.57
Christ was in the midst
of the devil, in the hands
00:36:17.61\00:36:19.84
of the devil for
three days and three nights.
00:36:19.87\00:36:23.24
Thursday night,
Friday night, Saturday night,
00:36:23.28\00:36:25.51
and He rose Sunday morning.
00:36:25.55\00:36:27.75
So, hopefully, that helps.
00:36:27.78\00:36:29.52
I have a book called
"The Sign of Jonah" that
00:36:29.55\00:36:31.59
will give you more
information on that, Ben.
00:36:31.62\00:36:32.99
We'll send you a
free copy, or anyone
00:36:33.02\00:36:34.32
who wants to know about that.
00:36:34.36\00:36:35.66
Jean: That's right.
Just call 800-835-6747.
00:36:35.69\00:36:38.86
You can ask for the book.
It's called "The Sign of Jonah."
00:36:38.89\00:36:41.30
It talks about that verse where
Jesus said he'd be in the heart
00:36:41.33\00:36:44.00
of the earth for
three days and three nights.
00:36:44.03\00:36:46.03
Our next caller would be Tony,
also listening in Tennessee.
00:36:46.07\00:36:49.40
Tony, welcome to the program.
00:36:49.44\00:36:52.67
Doug: Tony might be in muted.
00:36:52.71\00:36:54.58
Tony, one more time,
Tennessee. Are you there?
00:36:54.61\00:36:56.95
Tony: Yes, I'm here. Doug: Okay.
00:36:56.98\00:36:59.38
And your question?
00:36:59.41\00:37:01.58
Tony: My
question is in Luke 17:3.
00:37:01.62\00:37:05.65
It's talking about forgiveness.
00:37:05.69\00:37:09.19
If my brother trespass against
me, do I have to forgive him?
00:37:09.22\00:37:17.97
Doug: Well, I think what
Jesus said in the Lord's Prayer
00:37:18.00\00:37:21.74
that says, "Forgive us our debts
as we forgive our debtors."
00:37:21.77\00:37:24.84
Now when you say forgiveness,
you know, I think you should
00:37:24.87\00:37:28.71
always forgive people, because
if you have bitterness in your
00:37:28.74\00:37:32.71
heart and
unforgiveness, that hurts you.
00:37:32.75\00:37:34.62
That doesn't mean if someone has
taken advantage of you, you need
00:37:34.65\00:37:37.39
to allow them to take
advantage of you again.
00:37:37.42\00:37:40.09
It doesn't mean if someone has
stolen your car that you need to
00:37:40.12\00:37:43.26
just let them off without
them being prosecuted, because
00:37:43.29\00:37:45.96
they'll just go
steal someone else's car.
00:37:45.99\00:37:48.46
Forgiveness, you know, is
talking about you need to just,
00:37:48.50\00:37:53.10
you know, release the anger and
the bitterness, and let it go
00:37:53.13\00:37:56.81
out of your
heart and forgive them.
00:37:56.84\00:38:01.18
You can read that parable in
Matthew 18, where Jesus said,
00:38:01.21\00:38:05.01
"If we don't forgive others,
considering how much God has
00:38:05.05\00:38:07.28
forgiven us, our
forgiveness is revoked."
00:38:07.32\00:38:11.52
The Bible says if we want to
be forgiven, we must forgive.
00:38:11.55\00:38:14.92
So am I answering
what you're asking?
00:38:14.96\00:38:18.73
Tony: Yeah, I understand that,
but I was reading in Luke 17:3,
00:38:18.76\00:38:26.63
says that if he trespass
against me, I can rebuke him.
00:38:26.67\00:38:30.77
Doug: Yes.
00:38:30.81\00:38:32.11
Tony: But if he
don't ask for forgiveness,
00:38:32.14\00:38:34.58
then I don't
have to forgive him.
00:38:34.61\00:38:37.45
Doug: Yeah, I think
He's talking about--like
00:38:37.48\00:38:39.91
I said, when it
comes to forgiveness, there
00:38:39.95\00:38:41.52
are all kinds of
different scenarios.
00:38:41.55\00:38:45.65
And, you know, if your
brother does something that is
00:38:45.69\00:38:49.52
inappropriate behavior,
there's nothing wrong with
00:38:49.56\00:38:52.16
having tough love and
telling him that what he
00:38:52.19\00:38:56.16
did was wrong,
but then forgive him.
00:38:56.20\00:39:01.97
But I think even if they don't
ask for forgiveness, you ought
00:39:02.00\00:39:04.37
to forgive, because like I said,
unforgiveness is like an acid
00:39:04.41\00:39:08.38
that destroys the
container that holds it.
00:39:08.41\00:39:10.71
It'll corrode
you to not forgive.
00:39:10.75\00:39:13.52
I know people that
were mistreated and abused
00:39:13.55\00:39:15.25
by their parents
that are dead and gone.
00:39:15.28\00:39:16.72
They're still mad.
00:39:16.75\00:39:18.05
I think, well, what
are you going to do,
00:39:18.09\00:39:19.39
wait for them to ask for mercy?
00:39:19.42\00:39:20.72
They're dead. So,
you've got to let it go.
00:39:20.76\00:39:23.86
Jean: All right,
well, thank you, Tony.
00:39:23.89\00:39:26.06
Next caller that
we have is listening
00:39:26.09\00:39:27.40
in Virginia, and that's Rhonda.
00:39:27.40\00:39:30.57
Rhonda, welcome to the program.
00:39:30.60\00:39:32.23
Rhonda: Thank you so much.
00:39:32.27\00:39:33.57
Good evening Pastor
Ross and Pastor Batchelor.
00:39:33.60\00:39:35.80
Thank you.
00:39:35.84\00:39:37.14
Doug: Good evening.
00:39:37.17\00:39:38.47
Rhonda: My question is
from 1 Samuel 18, verse 10.
00:39:38.51\00:39:42.28
I've been studying it, and I got
stuck on the part that says that
00:39:42.31\00:39:46.05
the evil spirit
from God came upon Saul.
00:39:46.08\00:39:49.72
So, my question is, how can
an evil spirit come from God?
00:39:49.75\00:39:53.42
I believe God to be
loving, and He's not evil.
00:39:53.46\00:39:56.26
So, what does this mean?
00:39:56.29\00:39:59.49
Doug: Yeah, it's interesting
that it tells us that the Holy
00:39:59.53\00:40:03.30
Spirit came on David, but
an evil spirit comes on Saul.
00:40:03.33\00:40:09.97
The evil spirit, when
it says from the Lord,
00:40:10.01\00:40:11.97
it just means
permission is given by the Lord,
00:40:12.01\00:40:15.44
because Saul had
rejected the Spirit of God.
00:40:15.48\00:40:19.61
And when you reject the Spirit
of God, none of us is a vacuum.
00:40:19.65\00:40:23.25
If you say, "I want the light
out of my room, by virtue of
00:40:23.28\00:40:28.22
your rejecting the light,
you're inviting the darkness.
00:40:28.26\00:40:32.23
And it's like the
story of Job, where the devil
00:40:32.26\00:40:35.53
came to God and said,
"The only reason Job serves
00:40:35.56\00:40:38.27
you is because
you've protected him.
00:40:38.30\00:40:40.50
Withdraw your protection,
and he'll curse you."
00:40:40.54\00:40:43.91
So, God gave the devil
permission to test Job.
00:40:43.94\00:40:48.48
God had to give permission for
these evil spirits to take over
00:40:48.51\00:40:52.71
Saul, because Saul had
ultimately rejected the Lord.
00:40:52.75\00:40:57.29
So, I don't know. I'm
hoping that makes sense.
00:40:57.32\00:41:00.92
Rhonda: Yes, it
does make sense, because
00:41:00.96\00:41:02.69
I just knew
that God is not evil.
00:41:02.72\00:41:05.56
So, how does this
verse, like, make sense to me?
00:41:05.59\00:41:08.66
So, thank you for answering.
00:41:08.70\00:41:10.37
Doug: Yeah, and, of course,
you've got the passage there in
00:41:10.40\00:41:12.37
James where it says
God doesn't tempt anybody,
00:41:12.40\00:41:15.04
neither can he be
tempted with evil.
00:41:15.07\00:41:16.67
And then again
it says every good
00:41:16.71\00:41:18.01
and perfect gift comes from God.
00:41:18.04\00:41:20.04
God does not send bad.
00:41:20.08\00:41:21.64
He sends good.
00:41:21.68\00:41:23.08
But sometimes God
withdraws His protection,
00:41:23.11\00:41:25.78
and bad will come in.
00:41:25.81\00:41:27.05
And in a sense, someone might
say, "Well, He's responsible."
00:41:27.08\00:41:30.95
God does sometimes
allow things to happen,
00:41:30.99\00:41:32.49
because we've
rejected His protection.
00:41:32.52\00:41:34.99
Jean: Okay, the
next caller that we have
00:41:35.02\00:41:36.32
is Anna listening in Oregon.
00:41:36.36\00:41:37.66
Anna, welcome to the program.
00:41:37.69\00:41:38.99
Anna: Hi. How are you guys?
00:41:39.03\00:41:40.63
Doug: Hello.
00:41:40.66\00:41:41.96
Much better than we deserve.
00:41:42.00\00:41:43.60
Anna: Oh, well,
that's awesome, so--
00:41:43.63\00:41:47.47
Doug: And your question.
00:41:47.50\00:41:48.80
Anna: My question is
Revelation 4, verse 5.
00:41:48.84\00:41:57.25
"And from the throne proceeded
lightnings, and thundering
00:41:57.28\00:42:02.88
voices, seven lamps of
fire were burning before the
00:42:02.92\00:42:07.09
throne, which are the
seven spirits of God."
00:42:07.12\00:42:10.13
And the seven spirits of
God is what I'm confused about.
00:42:10.16\00:42:15.80
Doug: Yeah, I believe that
the seven spirits, it's not that
00:42:15.83\00:42:19.27
God has got seven ghosts
up in heaven floating around.
00:42:19.30\00:42:22.64
These seven spirits are seven
attributes of God the Spirit,
00:42:22.67\00:42:27.61
and the closest I think you find
of that is in Isaiah chapter 11,
00:42:27.64\00:42:32.25
and you read verses 1
and 2, and it says, "There
00:42:32.28\00:42:36.28
shall come forth a rod
from the stem of Jesse,
00:42:36.32\00:42:38.85
and a branch will
grow out of His roots."
00:42:38.89\00:42:40.66
This is a prophecy of Jesus,
who is called the Anointed.
00:42:40.69\00:42:44.43
The Anointed with
what? The Holy Spirit.
00:42:44.46\00:42:46.86
Listen to what
it says in verse 2.
00:42:46.90\00:42:48.96
"The Spirit of the
Lord will rest upon Him."
00:42:49.00\00:42:51.00
That's one.
00:42:51.03\00:42:52.33
The spirit wisdom,
two, understanding, three,
00:42:52.37\00:42:55.47
counsel, four,
might, five, the spirit of
00:42:55.50\00:42:58.47
knowledge, six, the
fear of the Lord, seven.
00:42:58.51\00:43:01.88
And so it kind of
gives us seven facets
00:43:01.91\00:43:04.28
or attributes of God the Spirit.
00:43:04.31\00:43:07.98
And sometimes the
Holy Spirit, the wisdom of
00:43:08.02\00:43:09.95
the Spirit is highlighted,
and sometimes the fear
00:43:09.98\00:43:11.92
of the Lord is
highlighted, so forth.
00:43:11.95\00:43:14.06
So, do you have
anything to add to that?
00:43:14.09\00:43:16.59
Jean: No, I think
you're right, Pastor Doug.
00:43:16.62\00:43:18.19
It's highlighting seven
attributes of the Holy Spirit.
00:43:18.23\00:43:20.16
And it is interesting the
seven burning lamps of fire.
00:43:20.20\00:43:22.63
If you look at the sanctuary
imagery, it was the seven branch
00:43:22.66\00:43:25.57
candlestick, which the
Bible makes pretty clear.
00:43:25.60\00:43:28.94
It was one candlestick that
had seven branches coming out.
00:43:28.97\00:43:32.81
It wasn't seven
separate candlesticks.
00:43:32.84\00:43:34.51
Doug: That's a good point.
00:43:34.54\00:43:35.84
Jean: So, it's one
Spirit, but there's
00:43:35.88\00:43:37.18
seven
attributes brought to view.
00:43:37.21\00:43:38.51
Doug: Very good.
00:43:38.55\00:43:39.85
Jean: All right,
thank you, caller.
00:43:39.88\00:43:41.18
Now we've got Tim
listening in Tennessee.
00:43:41.22\00:43:43.18
Tim, welcome to the program.
00:43:43.22\00:43:47.46
Tim: Thank you. Doug: Thanks.
00:43:47.49\00:43:49.92
Tim: I've got a simple
question for you, I'm sure.
00:43:49.96\00:43:54.96
My question is in 2
Thessalonians chapter 2.
00:43:55.00\00:44:00.94
And I'd like to
focus on verse 3.
00:44:00.97\00:44:06.57
This is talking
about the second coming.
00:44:06.61\00:44:10.31
It says, "Let no one deceive you
by any means; for that day will
00:44:10.35\00:44:15.15
not come unless the falling away
comes first, and the man of sin
00:44:15.18\00:44:21.16
is revealed, the
son of perdition."
00:44:21.19\00:44:25.16
I've always kind of
thought that was talking about
00:44:25.19\00:44:28.30
a event that happened
during the Reformation.
00:44:28.33\00:44:32.50
But as I think about
it, it could be something
00:44:32.53\00:44:36.17
around the end times
maybe during the mark
00:44:36.20\00:44:39.31
of the beast when
there's no gray area.
00:44:39.34\00:44:43.04
You've got to either follow God
or follow this man of perdition.
00:44:43.08\00:44:48.62
Doug: Yeah.
00:44:48.65\00:44:49.95
Tim: I just
wondered if this has already
00:44:49.98\00:44:51.29
taken place or not, I guess.
00:44:51.32\00:44:53.46
Doug: I think it's taking place.
00:44:53.49\00:44:55.69
It says that
there'll be this falling
00:44:55.72\00:44:58.33
away that happens
before Jesus comes.
00:44:58.36\00:45:01.63
The falling away is not
talking about falling in the
00:45:01.66\00:45:04.07
world, because Adam
fell 6,000 years ago.
00:45:04.10\00:45:06.30
That's already happened.
00:45:06.33\00:45:07.64
It's talking about a
falling away in the church.
00:45:07.67\00:45:09.84
This is a great falling away,
a great apostasy that took place
00:45:09.87\00:45:14.04
during the dark ages where
a man, and most Protestants
00:45:14.08\00:45:18.15
believe this was the
position of the Pope.
00:45:18.18\00:45:20.65
But a man sits in
the temple of God.
00:45:20.68\00:45:23.12
The church is
called the body of Christ.
00:45:23.15\00:45:25.89
Christ said, "Destroy
this temple made with hands.
00:45:25.92\00:45:27.92
I'll make one without hands."
00:45:27.96\00:45:29.49
The Bible says we are
living stones in this temple.
00:45:29.52\00:45:33.03
Paul said, "Don't you know
that ye are the temple of God?"
00:45:33.06\00:45:35.60
It's talking about the church.
00:45:35.63\00:45:37.33
And that this power would sit,
saying he is in charge of the
00:45:37.37\00:45:42.90
church, a man, and to be
worshiped as God, sitting in the
00:45:42.94\00:45:46.84
temple of God showing
himself that he is God.
00:45:46.88\00:45:49.11
And, you know, you can
even see pictures of the Pope.
00:45:49.14\00:45:51.48
And, again, I'm not
trying to be unkind.
00:45:51.51\00:45:52.81
I'm just telling you
what Protestants believe.
00:45:52.85\00:45:54.88
You can see pictures
of the Pope, and he's
00:45:54.92\00:45:56.62
sitting on his
throne between two cherubim.
00:45:56.65\00:46:00.06
Well, that's what you
had in the temple in heaven.
00:46:00.09\00:46:02.59
God was between
the two cherubim.
00:46:02.62\00:46:04.49
So, it's like a man putting
himself in the place of God.
00:46:04.53\00:46:07.86
And certainly, that
power had incredible
00:46:07.86\00:46:11.63
sway through the dark ages.
00:46:11.67\00:46:15.00
Received a deadly wound
and came back into power again.
00:46:15.04\00:46:17.74
And once again, it's
an independent country.
00:46:17.77\00:46:20.38
So, we have a
whole study on "Who
00:46:20.41\00:46:22.08
Is the
Antichrist of Revelation?"
00:46:22.11\00:46:24.41
we'll be happy to send.
00:46:24.45\00:46:25.88
Jean: The number for
that is 800-835-6747.
00:46:25.91\00:46:28.95
You can ask for the study guide.
00:46:28.98\00:46:30.29
It's called, "Who
Is the Antichrist?"
00:46:30.32\00:46:32.02
We'll send it to
anyone who calls and asks.
00:46:32.05\00:46:34.12
You can just dial #250
on your smart phone and say,
00:46:34.16\00:46:37.43
"Bible Answers
Live," and also ask for that
00:46:37.46\00:46:39.26
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Is the Antichrist?"
00:46:39.29\00:46:41.80
Our thanks for your call, Tim.
00:46:41.83\00:46:43.13
We've got Lee
listening in Texas.
00:46:43.16\00:46:45.27
Lee, welcome to the program.
00:46:45.30\00:46:47.77
Lee: Yes, can you hear me?
00:46:47.80\00:46:49.10
Doug: Yes, we do. Lee: Okay.
00:46:49.14\00:46:51.44
Good evening, Pastor
Doug and Pastor Ross.
00:46:51.47\00:46:55.71
My question is how do I
know I have the Holy Spirit?
00:46:55.74\00:46:59.85
Is there more
than just the fruits of
00:46:59.88\00:47:02.85
the Holy Spirit or
are there other ways?
00:47:02.88\00:47:06.02
Doug: Well,
certainly, Jesus said, "You'll
00:47:06.05\00:47:07.96
know them by their fruits."
00:47:07.99\00:47:09.62
So, one reason is you'll know
by the fruits of the Spirit.
00:47:09.66\00:47:13.33
Now, I don't know that that
means that every person is going
00:47:13.36\00:47:16.46
to have all of the fruits of
the Spirit all at the same time.
00:47:16.50\00:47:20.34
But, you know, a Christian
should know what it means to
00:47:20.37\00:47:22.74
experience love and
joy and peace and patience.
00:47:22.77\00:47:26.68
These are things we're learning.
00:47:26.71\00:47:28.78
Also keep in mind, and this
is so important, people can have
00:47:28.81\00:47:33.05
the Holy Spirit
in different degrees.
00:47:33.08\00:47:37.59
Otherwise, the disciples
certainly had the Holy Spirit
00:47:37.62\00:47:40.59
when Jesus sent them
out teaching and preaching.
00:47:40.62\00:47:43.12
But when they were baptized
in the Holy Spirit, that was a
00:47:43.16\00:47:46.06
special filling of the Holy
Spirit above and beyond what a
00:47:46.09\00:47:49.56
person might utilize every
day in their walk with Christ.
00:47:49.60\00:47:52.53
So, you know, don't doubt.
00:47:52.57\00:47:55.24
Now, I'm trusting that you do
have the Spirit if you've asked.
00:47:55.27\00:47:58.71
The Bible said, if God's willing
to give--or rather if a human is
00:47:58.74\00:48:01.91
willing to give
their hungry child food,
00:48:01.94\00:48:04.28
how much more will
your Father in heaven give
00:48:04.31\00:48:06.25
the Holy Spirit to
those that ask Him?
00:48:06.28\00:48:08.25
If you've asked God for the
Spirit, and you've asked Him to
00:48:08.28\00:48:10.35
forgive your sins, and
if you do feel conviction
00:48:10.39\00:48:13.12
of sin and a desire
to do God's will, that's
00:48:13.15\00:48:15.92
the Holy Spirit that
gives you that desire.
00:48:15.96\00:48:18.43
Jean: You know, we have a book.
00:48:18.46\00:48:19.76
It's called "Life in the
Spirit," and it talks about the
00:48:19.79\00:48:21.50
fruit of the Spirit, and this
will be a great resource for
00:48:21.53\00:48:24.80
you, Lee, or anyone
wanting to learn more about
00:48:24.83\00:48:26.67
what does it mean to
have the Holy Spirit?
00:48:26.70\00:48:28.90
The number for
that is 800-835-6747.
00:48:28.94\00:48:32.21
You can ask for the book.
00:48:32.24\00:48:33.54
It's called, "Life in the
Spirit," and we'll be happy to
00:48:33.58\00:48:35.28
send that to you, or
just dial #250 on your smart
00:48:35.31\00:48:39.25
phone, and you can
ask for it that way.
00:48:39.28\00:48:41.78
The next caller that we have is
Spencer listening in Oklahoma.
00:48:41.82\00:48:45.19
Spencer, welcome to the program.
00:48:45.22\00:48:47.22
Spencer: Yes, thank
you, and God bless you
00:48:47.26\00:48:48.99
guys for your
work on this program.
00:48:49.02\00:48:51.89
Doug: Thank you.
00:48:51.93\00:48:53.23
Spencer: My question is I
recently heard something that I
00:48:53.26\00:48:56.70
had never heard before, and it
was a statement that said that
00:48:56.73\00:49:01.90
not all Christians would
participate in the millennium,
00:49:01.94\00:49:05.77
but those who had been
rewarded, because there
00:49:05.81\00:49:10.55
were several parables
that Jesus had given where some
00:49:10.58\00:49:14.78
are given
rewards and some are not.
00:49:14.82\00:49:18.09
And they, when they
took it, that is the
00:49:18.12\00:49:23.32
millennium and that
reign where some would be
00:49:23.36\00:49:26.36
in charge of
cities and some would not.
00:49:26.39\00:49:29.46
Like, I just never heard
of anyone putting it that way.
00:49:29.50\00:49:34.70
I had always just assumed that
all Christians would go into the
00:49:34.74\00:49:37.64
millennium, but it was
interesting to me, and I was
00:49:37.67\00:49:41.98
just curious what your
thoughts about that were.
00:49:42.01\00:49:46.21
Doug: Yeah, the way I
understand it, as you read, most
00:49:46.25\00:49:49.02
of what you find
about the millennium
00:49:49.05\00:49:50.35
is in Revelation
chapter 20, that all of
00:49:50.39\00:49:54.82
the saved are there
during the millennium.
00:49:54.86\00:49:59.66
They may be doing some different
things during that time, but I
00:49:59.69\00:50:02.90
don't see another resurrection
where the saved come up separate
00:50:02.93\00:50:06.57
from those that will
enjoy the millennium.
00:50:06.60\00:50:08.74
Jean: And, you
know, when you read about
00:50:08.77\00:50:10.07
it in Revelation
chapter 20, it talks about
00:50:10.11\00:50:11.54
the redeemed living
and reigning with Christ.
00:50:11.57\00:50:14.48
Sometimes people think,
well, if they're going to
00:50:14.51\00:50:16.04
be reigning, who
are they reigning over?
00:50:16.08\00:50:18.41
Are they reigning over the
wicked, meaning the wicked?
00:50:18.45\00:50:20.65
Are they alive
during the thousand years?
00:50:20.68\00:50:22.48
But the emphasis
there, when it talks
00:50:22.52\00:50:23.99
about reigning, the
greatest act of reigning was
00:50:24.02\00:50:26.89
when a king sat on
his throne in judgment.
00:50:26.92\00:50:29.66
So, the redeemed are going to
be participating in the judgment
00:50:29.69\00:50:33.13
that occurs during the 1,000
years, and it's a judgment of
00:50:33.16\00:50:35.73
the wicked, because the
righteous are already saved.
00:50:35.76\00:50:37.93
So, that's what's really
happening with this reigning.
00:50:37.97\00:50:40.30
It's not that
they're dictating to people
00:50:40.34\00:50:42.07
what to do, because
the wicked are dead.
00:50:42.10\00:50:43.84
They're waiting for their
resurrection at the end of the
00:50:43.87\00:50:45.47
thousand years, but they
are involved in reigning in the
00:50:45.51\00:50:48.48
sense of judging and
looking at their works.
00:50:48.51\00:50:52.21
And Jesus said, "Every
man is rewarded according
00:50:52.25\00:50:53.95
to his works," and
the redeemed are going
00:50:53.98\00:50:55.95
to have some part to
play in that judgment.
00:50:55.98\00:50:58.39
Doug: Amen.
00:50:58.42\00:50:59.72
So, hopefully,
that helps a little bit.
00:50:59.75\00:51:01.12
And we appreciate your call.
00:51:01.16\00:51:03.06
Jean: You know, we have a
study guide that's called, "1000
00:51:03.09\00:51:04.53
Years of Peace," and it
talks about this 1,000-year time
00:51:04.56\00:51:07.50
period you read about
in Revelation chapter 20.
00:51:07.50\00:51:09.26
And, of course,
we'll be happy to send
00:51:09.30\00:51:10.83
that to anyone
who calls and asks.
00:51:10.87\00:51:12.27
It's 800-835-6747
or #250 on your phone.
00:51:12.30\00:51:17.27
Doug: Thank you, Spencer.
00:51:17.31\00:51:18.61
Jean: Next caller
that we have is Alberto,
00:51:18.64\00:51:22.44
I believe it is,
from Rhode Island.
00:51:22.48\00:51:24.75
Alberto: Hey, thank
you so much for taking
00:51:24.78\00:51:27.95
my call, Pastor
Batchelor and Pastor Ross.
00:51:27.98\00:51:31.25
And I pray that the
Lord continues to bless and
00:51:31.29\00:51:34.06
strengthen you both in
this mission you guys are doing.
00:51:34.09\00:51:37.73
It's fantastic
work, and I've followed
00:51:37.76\00:51:41.10
you guys for a very long time.
00:51:41.13\00:51:43.47
This is my first time,
you know, making a call.
00:51:43.50\00:51:45.70
Doug: Oh, praise
the Lord, thank you.
00:51:45.73\00:51:48.57
Alberto: Yeah, so my question
is found at--on Job 1:6,
00:51:48.60\00:51:56.58
and I can read if that's okay.
00:51:56.61\00:51:58.45
Doug: Go ahead.
00:51:58.48\00:51:59.78
Alberto: It says, "Now
there was a day when the
00:51:59.81\00:52:02.18
sons of God came to
present themselves before the
00:52:02.22\00:52:05.19
Lord, and Satan
also came among them."
00:52:05.22\00:52:09.49
My question is this.
00:52:09.52\00:52:10.83
If Satan originated from
Lucifer, the devil, and he was
00:52:10.86\00:52:15.13
the first sinner, how come he
was able to see God and not burn
00:52:15.16\00:52:19.97
on that, you
know, in that verse?
00:52:20.00\00:52:22.44
God used to walk
with Adam before sin,
00:52:22.47\00:52:25.51
but not after
sin, because of sin.
00:52:25.54\00:52:27.71
Moses asked to see God and His
glory, and God said, "You can't
00:52:27.74\00:52:32.18
because you'll burn,"
because he was a sinner.
00:52:32.21\00:52:34.88
So, the question is, so my
question is how come the devil
00:52:34.92\00:52:37.65
was able to see God
if he was the sinner?
00:52:37.69\00:52:41.92
Doug: Yeah, good question.
00:52:41.96\00:52:44.19
And, you know, I'd
have to tell you that
00:52:44.23\00:52:46.83
my answer would
be some speculation.
00:52:46.86\00:52:51.60
The devil lived in the
presence of God for, who knows,
00:52:51.63\00:52:55.40
it may have been hundreds
of thousands of years, as he
00:52:55.44\00:52:57.51
slowly--he was a good angel
named Lucifer, and he slowly
00:52:57.54\00:53:00.84
began to resent God's
position and rebel ultimately,
00:53:00.88\00:53:05.05
and then finally
it broke into an open
00:53:05.08\00:53:06.51
revolt, and he was
kicked out of heaven.
00:53:06.55\00:53:08.45
The devil is a spirit.
00:53:08.48\00:53:09.78
Paul says we don't
wrestle against flesh
00:53:09.82\00:53:11.42
and blood, but against spirits.
00:53:11.45\00:53:13.39
And so, you know, being a
spiritual being may be different
00:53:13.42\00:53:18.83
than what would happen to a
human when we're brought into
00:53:18.86\00:53:22.70
the presence of a
Holy God with sin.
00:53:22.73\00:53:25.53
But, yeah, the
devil, not just here in the
00:53:25.57\00:53:28.50
book of Job, but even
before his fall, was in the
00:53:28.54\00:53:31.61
presence of God
with sin in his heart.
00:53:31.64\00:53:35.01
So, it is somewhat of a mystery.
00:53:35.04\00:53:37.38
Jean: That's right.
Okay, well, thank you.
00:53:37.41\00:53:39.45
The next caller that we have is
Emannuel listening in Maryland.
00:53:39.48\00:53:43.18
Emannuel,
welcome to the program.
00:53:43.22\00:53:44.52
We have about a minute.
00:53:44.55\00:53:46.89
Emannuel: How you
doing, Pastor Doug?
00:53:46.92\00:53:48.52
Doug: Hi, thanks for calling.
00:53:48.56\00:53:51.03
Emannuel: I must
admit, like, I really love
00:53:51.06\00:53:53.13
your program, and it
really helps me a lot.
00:53:53.16\00:53:56.23
Doug: Praise
the Lord. Thank you.
00:53:56.26\00:53:57.73
Well, real quick,
what's your question?
00:53:57.77\00:54:01.10
Emannuel: My question is
about free will and salvation.
00:54:01.14\00:54:04.81
But when Adam and Eve
disobeyed, he blamed them.
00:54:04.84\00:54:08.54
So, how does it
really--how does free will
00:54:08.58\00:54:11.68
in that process
relate to our salvation?
00:54:11.71\00:54:14.58
Doug: Yeah, well, actually,
the very fact that God had a
00:54:14.62\00:54:17.65
penalty for disobedience, He
told Adam and Eve, if you eat
00:54:17.69\00:54:21.62
from the forbidden tree,
you will die, it's because
00:54:21.66\00:54:25.19
they did have a free
choice, and they made
00:54:25.23\00:54:28.76
the wrong choice, that
there were consequences.
00:54:28.80\00:54:31.60
If they had no choice, if they
had been predetermined to do it,
00:54:31.63\00:54:34.84
then why would God
punish them for doing
00:54:34.87\00:54:36.37
what they were
preprogrammed to do?
00:54:36.40\00:54:38.37
So, it's because
they had accountability
00:54:38.41\00:54:40.88
that there was a
consequence and a punishment.
00:54:40.91\00:54:43.38
But we do have a book,
says, "Can a Saved Man Be Lost?"
00:54:43.41\00:54:47.02
And we will
send you a free copy.
00:54:47.05\00:54:48.85
That's
800-835-6747 to ask for that.
00:54:48.88\00:54:53.79
And Pastor Ross, we
just want to tell our
00:54:53.82\00:54:55.32
friends that are
listening, if they did not know,
00:54:55.36\00:54:57.59
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00:55:03.33\00:55:05.53
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Jean: Hello,
friends, welcome back.
00:55:28.49\00:55:29.79
We thank you for
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00:55:29.82\00:55:31.83
And a number of you have
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00:55:34.03\00:55:35.63
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00:55:35.66\00:55:37.93
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All right, Pastor Doug, the
first question that we have here
00:55:45.54\00:55:47.21
from Leann, she's
asking, "How do you know if you
00:55:47.24\00:55:51.58
have been baptized
by the Holy Spirit?"
00:55:51.61\00:55:55.78
Doug: Yeah, well, the baptism
of the Holy Spirit, as we
00:55:55.82\00:55:57.72
mentioned a moment ago,
is different from just the
00:55:57.75\00:56:00.52
conviction of the Holy Spirit,
and the leading of the Holy
00:56:00.56\00:56:03.39
Spirit, and
peace you may receive.
00:56:03.43\00:56:05.76
Baptism means that you are--you
know, the word baptism means
00:56:05.79\00:56:09.06
immersed, every
fiber is saturated.
00:56:09.10\00:56:12.47
It's like the ground
in California right now.
00:56:12.50\00:56:14.07
It can't get any wetter.
00:56:14.10\00:56:15.77
And so when you're so full
of the Holy Spirit--this is what
00:56:15.80\00:56:18.67
happened to David
when he was anointed.
00:56:18.71\00:56:20.58
He was filled
with the Holy Spirit.
00:56:20.61\00:56:21.94
Jesus was filled
with the Holy Spirit.
00:56:21.98\00:56:23.81
At Pentecost, the
apostles were filled.
00:56:23.85\00:56:26.15
But you know what?
00:56:26.18\00:56:27.48
That began to dry out, because
then they're filled with the
00:56:27.52\00:56:29.48
Holy Spirit again
in Acts chapter 4.
00:56:29.52\00:56:32.09
So, the Holy Spirit can, you
know, baptize you, fill you for
00:56:32.12\00:56:35.62
ministry, and you'll know that
when you just are just full of
00:56:35.66\00:56:40.96
the Spirit, and you feel
compelled to share the Word of
00:56:40.96\00:56:43.60
God, and do His
will, and obey Him.
00:56:43.63\00:56:45.73
It's a signal.
00:56:45.77\00:56:47.70
Jean: Okay.
00:56:47.74\00:56:48.97
Another question that we have,
Ashley is asking, "Why didn't
00:56:49.00\00:56:51.74
Jesus speak of
paying tithe during His
00:56:51.77\00:56:54.58
three-and-a-half
years of ministry?"
00:56:54.61\00:56:56.61
Doug: Well, actually, He did.
00:56:56.64\00:56:58.58
Yes, some
people--Jesus told the scribes
00:56:58.61\00:57:01.92
and Pharisees, He
said, "You pay tithe."
00:57:01.95\00:57:04.55
And this is, what?
Matthew 23:23, I think.
00:57:04.59\00:57:07.36
He said, "You pay
tithe of your mint,
00:57:07.39\00:57:08.79
and your anise, and
your cumin," these are herbs.
00:57:08.82\00:57:11.33
"And you've
neglected the weightier matters
00:57:11.36\00:57:12.96
of the law:
justice, mercy, and faith."
00:57:12.99\00:57:16.53
He says, "These
you ought to have done
00:57:16.56\00:57:18.20
and not leave the other undone.
00:57:18.23\00:57:20.30
Do not leave the
tithe paying undone."
00:57:20.34\00:57:23.30
So, and then not just
Jesus, but, of course,
00:57:23.34\00:57:26.37
Paul in Hebrews and
others talk about tithe.
00:57:26.41\00:57:29.34
Nothing in the Bible
says that it was revoked.
00:57:29.38\00:57:32.38
So, it's still in place.
00:57:32.41\00:57:34.05
Jean: Okay, another question
that we have, Joseph is asking,
00:57:34.08\00:57:36.55
"God says that He will establish
a covenant with Israel, but the
00:57:36.58\00:57:40.09
Bible also tells us that
God is no respecter of persons.
00:57:40.12\00:57:43.56
Is this a contradiction?"
00:57:43.59\00:57:45.46
Doug: Well, the Lord
loves everyone and wants to save
00:57:45.49\00:57:47.50
everybody, but God
needed to pick a nation to
00:57:47.56\00:57:50.67
make them the
demonstration of His grace.
00:57:50.70\00:57:53.97
So, because He picked Israel to
make them that demonstration and
00:57:54.00\00:57:57.17
be the recipients of His
promises and the guardians of
00:57:57.21\00:58:00.51
the oracles did not mean that
He loved them more than others.
00:58:00.54\00:58:03.58
It means He had
to have someone be
00:58:03.61\00:58:04.91
the messenger and the courier.
00:58:04.95\00:58:06.65
And, friends, He wants you to
know that truth and accept it.
00:58:06.68\00:58:09.52
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