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Doug Batchelor:
Hello, listening friends.
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Would you like to
hear an amazing fact?
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Perhaps you
remember "The Jetsons."
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Yes, that 1960s
cartoon series about a
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space-aged family
that lives in the future.
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They had robots, and they
cruised around in flying cars.
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Well, it looks like the future
has caught up with fiction.
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Swedish company Jetson Aero has
built what it says is the first
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commercially-available
personal flying car.
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The company says it
hopes the vehicles will be able
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to replace
traditional cars in the future.
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The carbon fiber and aluminum
vehicle looks like a big drone,
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can carry a 200-pound man up
to 63 miles an hour, but it only
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has a flying time
of about 20 minutes.
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That'll no doubt
improve over time
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as battery technology advances.
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So now for about
$100,000 you can purchase your
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own flying car
without a pilot's license.
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I don't know, Pastor Ross, that
sounds pretty interesting, but
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you sure wouldn't
want the battery to die on
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you when you're
at about 10,000 feet.
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Jean Ross: That's
right, Pastor Doug.
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It sure would be nice to
be able to get into your drone
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and fly to
wherever you need to go.
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Doug: Especially
when traffic's bad.
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Jean: That's right.
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You wonder what the traffic in
the air is going to be like in a
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few years if that
keeps moving forward.
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But, you know, the idea
of flying has always been
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something that's
fascinated people.
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You look at the
birds and how they can fly,
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and, of course, you've
flown many a time in your
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plane and then
also commercial flying.
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But there's something special
about just breaking gravity and
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being able to soar in the air,
and of course we even find the
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Bible speaking about a
time when the redeemed will fly.
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Doug: That's right.
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There's not a lot of verses, but
there's a few that explain we
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will be able to
fly like angels do.
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One is in Isaiah 40,
verse 31: "But those who wait
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upon the Lord shall
renew their strength.
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They will mount up
with wings like eagles.
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They'll run and not be weary.
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They will walk and not faint."
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And so I'm looking forward to,
as it says in the song "Rock of
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Ages," soaring
to worlds unknown.
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I want to fly.
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Jean: You don't
have to worry about your
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batteries dying halfway there.
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that God is preparing
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Well, Pastor Doug,
before we go to the
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phone lines, let's
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Dear Father, we
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We thank You for the
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And tonight we ask the
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here in the studio,
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Lead us into a clearer
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In Jesus's name, amen.
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Our first caller today, we've
got Ellie listening in Texas.
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Ellie, welcome to the program.
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Ellie: Awesome.
Thank you for answering.
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Hope you're doing well.
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I have a question today in
regards to 1 Corinthians chapter
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11, verse 10 where it says, "For
this cause ought the woman to
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have power over her
head because of the angels."
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And my main question was on the
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explanation
because of the angels.
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What does that exactly mean?
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Doug: Yeah, well, this is
a very interesting passage
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where it talks about,
in part, the relationship
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between men and
women and a woman's
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hair, especially,
like, praying in public.
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And so Paul is addressing issues
for the first Corinth--first
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letter to the Corinthians
of propriety and some of
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it, we believe,
is related to custom.
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But it was understood that as
a sign of humility God has given
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women hair as a covering,
and if they pray in public
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they should cover their
hair 'cause their hair is
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their glory as a
sign of their humility.
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If you look in the
book of Isaiah chapter 6,
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it says that the
angels cover their faces and
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their feet in
the presence of God.
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And so it says the
angels, you know, are beholding
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when you address God,
and as a sign of humility
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that women should
cover their heads.
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The big question among
theologians is, was this a
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commandment that is universal
for Christians through ages?
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'Cause it's
mentioned once in the Bible.
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You know, the Bible says in the
mouth of two or three witnesses
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we should establish our
doctrines, not one verse.
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And it's not
mentioned anywhere else.
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So--or was it a custom?
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And later on--and maybe, pastor,
also help me find what verse is
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it where he says we
have--yeah, verse 16.
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He says, "But if anyone seems to
be contentious, we have no such
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custom, nor the
churches of God."
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So many are wondering
is this--was this a custom?
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Jean: Seems as though
the principle there is
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reverence and respect
when you enter into the house
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of God and you're
involved in worship.
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You know, Pastor Doug, we've
traveled to different places
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around the world, and
it's very interesting when
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you go to these
different cultures they have
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different signs of
reverence and respect.
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We were in India at one of
the largest Christian churches.
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You were invited to speak there,
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and it was very
interesting for us.
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Their sign of reverence
and respect is to remove their
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shoes when they
enter into the church.
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And so you go to this church
that had thousands of members
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and neatly out front they have
little boxes and everybody puts
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their sandals in their box and
then they go into the church.
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So that was a sign of reverence.
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In our culture, probably
if you are a man and you
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walk into a church
and you're wearing a hat,
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it's appropriate
to remove the hat.
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So there are
certain customs even
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in our society
that show reverence.
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Doug: Yeah, and
for--people have seen the Jews
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praying at the Wailing Wall.
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For them, the men always cover
their heads when they approach.
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And, you know, we've been
together there at the Western
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Wall, and when you go up they'll
tell you--if you have a baseball
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cap, you're okay, but
if not, they'll hand you a
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cardboard yamaka or something.
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They say, "Do not
approach this holy
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place without
covering your head."
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So this was a
custom, we believe, of
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reverence that
Paul is addressing.
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Hope that helps a
little bit, Ellie,
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and we appreciate your patience.
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Jean: Next caller that we have
is Junith listening in Nevada.
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Junith, welcome to the program.
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Junith: Hello, good
evening, Doug and Pastor Ross.
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My question is, wasn't the
decision of Sarah for Abraham to
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have a kid with
Hagar, it was not God's will.
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But then if it was not God's
will, could this be a major
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reason why the second coming
of Jesus has lengthened up?
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'Cause it has a lot of
compromise in this decision.
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Thank you for answering.
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Doug: Yes, okay,
well, thank you, Junith.
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The decision of Abraham to--at
Sarah's suggestion to use Hagar
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as sort of a surrogate wife to
have a baby, she basically was
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functioning as a
concubine back in those days,
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that was
definitely not God's will.
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Ultimately, God told
Abraham--when Sarah said, "Send
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her away," God said,
"Yes, send her away."
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Basically, it was a divorce.
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As far as we know, he never saw
Hagar again and it brought all
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kinds of strife into the
family and through history the
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descendants that ended up
growing into, you know, Mohammed
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and the Muslims, the
Arab world and the children of
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Abraham--there has
been so much strife between
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the nations that
came out of that decision.
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Now, your question
has that postponed the
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coming of the
Lord, I don't know.
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I don't know that I
could speculate about that.
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It is interesting that the two
largest religions in the world
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today, Christianity and Islam,
sprang out of that decision.
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Or you can say they forked, you
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should say,
because of that decision.
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So yeah, that was
not God's will clearly.
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God said, "I will give you a
son through Sarah your wife."
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Multiple
marriages is not God's plan.
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Jean: And we
recognize that when God said to
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Abraham, "Take your
son, your only son whom
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thou lovest," He's
talking about Isaac.
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So, you know, you think
about that, Pastor Doug.
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Both of these large religious
movements, you got Christian--
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or Judaism and
you've got Islam and--
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of course, Christianity
came out of Judaism.
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They all hark back to
Abraham, and a lot has to
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do with that
decision, whether or not to be
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faithful to
God, to trust in God.
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Little did he realize what
would come of that decision.
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Doug: It goes to show
how one mistake like that has
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ramifications just like
the mistake of Adam and Eve.
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Look what's
going on in the world.
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The mistake of
Abraham has had long
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lasting, as you
say, ramifications.
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Thank you, appreciate
your question, Junith.
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Jean: We've got Gary
listening in Illinois.
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Gary, welcome to
"Bible Answers Live."
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Gary: In Revelation 9:14 and
then again in Revelation 16:12
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it says when the Euphrates river
dries up four demonic angels
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will be released unto one third
of the population and their
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power is fire,
smoke, and brimstone.
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So is that power
is--are they describing hell?
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Are those angels going
to release hell on earth?
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Doug: Okay, well, when you
read about four angels who are
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prepared for an hour, a day, a
month, and a year, you also see
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in Revelation chapter 7--is
it 7 where it says there are
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four angels holding back
the four winds of strife?
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It doesn't say they're demonic.
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People are assuming that.
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So the angels that are holding
back the winds of strife, and
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then you read here
in this chapter it talks
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about
angels--again, four angels.
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Four really represents in
the Bible--this is universal.
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Jesus said he'll send his
angels to the four corners
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of the earth to
gather together the elect.
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So what is going to happen here
both in Revelation chapter 7 and
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chapter 9 is talking
about something universal.
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When you look at the Euphrates
river, you need to know some
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Bible history that isn't
specifically in the Bible.
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There are
prophecies that allude to it.
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Before the children of Israel
were freed from Babylon to go
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back to the Promised
Land, the Euphrates dried up.
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The reason it dried up is
because Cyrus the general in
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wanting to conquer Babylon--the
River Euphrates ran under the
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walls of ancient
Babylon, which was a huge city,
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and he knew that if he
could divert the river--
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they dug a ditch--big ditch.
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He had an army do it.
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They diverted the water from the
Euphrates into a dry lake bed
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and the water level going under
the walls of Babylon dropped.
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It dried up.
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The Persians
marched under the walls.
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They sent a
little contingent under.
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They opened up the inner gates
and let the rest of the army in.
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And so for the Jew the drying
up the Euphrates is a harbinger
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that they would soon be
going back to the Promised Land.
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So when it tells us in the sixth
plague that you read about in
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the seven last plagues,
it at least has a spiritual
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application there that
the power of the beast--
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Babylon is going to
dry up, and you find a lot
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about Babylon in
chapter 17 of Revelation.
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Now, whether there is a literal
application makes you wonder
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sometimes 'cause, you know, in
Revelation it talks about before
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the Lord comes the sun will
be dark and the moon turns to
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blood, the stars fall
from heaven, powers heaven are
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shaken, heaven is
rolled back as a scroll.
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Those things have happened
historically sort of as wake-up
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signs, but they're going
to happen literally in quick
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succession just
before the second coming.
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And so I think maybe God is
using the fact the Euphrates--by
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the way, the Euphrates
is not totally dried up.
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It's just gone down, and they're
predicting it's going to dry up.
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I wonder sometimes if
the Lord is using that
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to at least get
people's attention.
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But I wouldn't wait for four
demons to come out of a cave.
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I've heard people say
there are some demons coming
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out of a cave by
the Euphrates river.
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Doesn't say
anywhere these are demons.
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Jean: Well, there's two drying
up of the River Euphrates.
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You alluded to it.
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You've got the sixth trumpet
that the four angels release
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from the River Euphrates, and
then you have the drying up the
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Euphrates, which is one of the
plagues in Revelation chapter 9
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where it talks about the sixth
trumpet and the four angels that
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are bound in the
great River Euphrates.
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A number of theologians, many
of them especially the early
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Protestant reformers, identified
that as the expansion of Islam
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under the Turks or
the Ottoman Empire.
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Doug: It was the
judgment for the--
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Jean: A judgment that
came upon the Christian.
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That's right.
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And they've identified the four
main tribal groups that formed
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the Ottoman Empire and
their location in Baghdad,
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another one in
Aleppo, Iconium, Damascus.
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So these are sort of the capital
areas connected with the River
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Euphrates, but
that's where these tribes
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came from that
formed the Ottoman Empire
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as a judgment
under the sixth trumpet.
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But then you have the drying
up of the River Euphrates,
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which is under
the plagues as well.
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Doug: Yeah, in Revelation 16.
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Well, thank you.
Appreciate that, Gary.
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And don't have a book
we can offer on that, but--
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Jean: Something we could write,
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drying up of
the River Euphrates.
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It would be interesting.
Jerry listening in Texas.
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Jerry, welcome to the program.
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Jerry: Hey, pastors.
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I want to get you guys's take
on this one text in Genesis,
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Genesis 6:21 and--referring
to the beasts of prey when they
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came on the ark were--of course,
we know that God can sustain
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like He sustained Moses on
the Mount Sinai for 40 days.
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But were the lions and
tigers vegetarians on the ark?
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I guess they would have to be.
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Were they vegetarians before?
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Doug: Okay, good question.
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Well--so yeah, the animals that
were on the ark--of course, he
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took two of the clean animals
and the unclean--I'm sorry.
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The clean animals
were taken by sevens.
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The unclean
animals were taken by twos.
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So what did the
carnivorous animals eat?
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Well, it says that Noah was
told to bring food for them.
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So there was extra food.
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You know,
ostensibly he didn't bring,
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like, live animals
for the lions to eat.
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The other thing is--they've
shown is that when animals are
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taken on a boat, they go
into a type of hibernation.
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When boats are rocking, they
sort of--they eat very less.
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They're not
mobile, and they probably
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were not eating
a lot on the boat.
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But yeah, Noah was
told to bring food for them,
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so he brought
something the lions could eat.
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Jean: And, of course, lions
can live--probably not their
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preference, but they can
live on a vegetarian diet.
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There are some modern examples
of lions that just for some
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reason--little Tyke is what I'm
thinking of, a lion that just
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refused to eat meat and he lived
very well on--she lived very
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well on a diet of grains
and eggs and--yeah, amazing.
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Doug: Full-grown lion.
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Jean: Okay. Thank you, Jerry.
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We've got Sam
listening in Canada.
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Sam, welcome to the program.
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Sam: I have a
question relating to--
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how do we know
the Bible is inspired?
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I'm studying right now in
university and we learn about,
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like, the different flood myths
around the world, and it's just
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how similar it is to
the Bible's Noah's flood.
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Doug: Yeah. I'm glad you asked.
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Actually the different myths
that you find around the world
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regarding the
flood--like the Babylonians
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have the "Epic of Gilgamesh."
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The Hawaiians
have a similar legend.
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Those myths grew out of the true
incident that Moses records.
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Moses gives us
the accurate account.
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The other epics or stories,
whether it's the Greek myth of a
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worldwide flood--you've got the
story in Greek mythology about
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this powerful race that lived in
this land called Atlantis, and
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because of their wickedness
the island was swallowed up.
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Well, that's the flood.
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It says powerful race
that lived and because
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of the wickedness
they were destroyed.
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Even Pandora's box, the idea of
this woman opened a box that was
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full of evil she
wasn't supposed to open.
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Well, it was Eve
eating the forbidden fruit.
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Over time some of these true
stories, they get changed as
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they're passed along and you
develop these different myths.
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But I think that's
evidence the Bible is true.
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In the Bible,
you're getting the truth
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about what really happened.
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These other civilizations--you
know, the Jews were very careful
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of writing these things down,
and one reason God told Moses to
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write it down is because
over time when they used to
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sherry--share their
history orally there was
00:18:33.68\00:18:37.28
a risk that things
were going to be changed.
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So Moses was inspired to write
down the accurate account of
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what happened, and it
has stood the test of time.
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Jean: You know, we have a book.
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It's called "The
Ultimate Resource,"
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and it's all about the Bible.
00:18:49.86\00:18:51.09
And Pastor Doug just mentioned
one or two, but there are many
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proofs in the Bible
itself of its divine origin,
00:18:53.13\00:18:55.96
that the Bible is inspired.
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You got prophecy. You
got history, archaeology.
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So the little book will
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It's called "Ultimate Resource,"
and it's all about the Bible.
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To receive that,
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Next caller that we have
is Lee listening in Texas.
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Lee, welcome to the program.
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Lee: Yes, sir, my question
is, who is Satan in the book
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of Revelation that
does false miracles?
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I mean, I know who the
Antichrist is and the man
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of sin is, but who
is supposed to be Satan?
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Doug: Okay.
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Well, in Revelation
chapter 12, for instance,
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it talks about
him as the dragon.
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It says that dragon
of old, the devil, Satan.
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So it uses four different
titles there that we can't
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confuse: the
serpent, Satan, dragon, devil.
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And that's--I think it mentions
that twice in Revelation 12.
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No, it does twice in Revelation.
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And so you might be wondering
when it talks about the beast,
00:20:02.50\00:20:05.83
the dragon, and the false
prophet, and you know there
00:20:05.87\00:20:08.87
you've got the
dragon certainly the devil.
00:20:08.90\00:20:12.24
It tells us that that old
serpent, the dragon, the devil,
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and that goes back to the
Garden of Eden when the devil,
00:20:15.71\00:20:18.41
Lucifer, he
basically used the medium of
00:20:18.45\00:20:20.95
a serpent to
deceive Adam and Eve.
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Jean: Now, of course the
Bible does tell us that before
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Jesus comes there's going to
be many false Christs and false
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prophets, and the
Bible also says don't be
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surprised because
the devil himself can be
00:20:30.39\00:20:32.26
transformed into
an angel of light.
00:20:32.29\00:20:34.76
So it wouldn't surprise
us if the devil tries to
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impersonate the
second coming of Jesus.
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Now we know according to the
Bible that when Jesus comes a
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second time he's not going
to be walking on the earth.
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The righteous are caught
up to meet him in the air.
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So if somebody appears, even
if they do perform miracles and
00:20:46.88\00:20:50.38
they're walking around on the
earth, that's a false Christ.
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So the Bible does give us these
guidelines, these pointers.
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Next caller that
we have is Angela--
00:20:56.62\00:20:58.39
Angelina, sorry, from Oregon.
00:20:58.42\00:21:01.29
Angelina,
welcome to the program.
00:21:01.32\00:21:03.73
Angelina: Thank you.
00:21:03.76\00:21:05.29
Thank you, and
bless--God bless you both.
00:21:05.33\00:21:08.76
Doug: Thank you for
calling. Your question.
00:21:08.80\00:21:12.87
Angelina: My question is I
was looking at when Jesus called
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the disciples, but I heard
somebody said that Jesus didn't
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call Judas Iscariot to be his
disciple or his--or like one of
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the apostles, that somebody took
him to Jesus and recommended him
00:21:30.29\00:21:36.12
to Jesus because he
was good for the group.
00:21:36.16\00:21:39.89
And other comment was that Judas
invite himself to be one of
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Jesus's disciples, and I need
to find out where in the Gospels
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said that Judas
didn't--was not called by Jesus.
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Doug: Well, it says in
Matthew 8:19 that there was a
00:22:02.15\00:22:05.42
certain scribe that
said to him, "Teacher,
00:22:05.45\00:22:07.82
I will follow
you wherever you go."
00:22:07.86\00:22:09.76
Now, with most of the apostles
Christ said, "Follow me."
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And they left their
nets and they followed him.
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He said to Matthew, "Follow
me," and he followed him.
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He asked the rich
young ruler, "Follow me,"
00:22:18.17\00:22:19.50
and he didn't follow.
00:22:19.53\00:22:20.84
And here you've got a
scribe that says, "Sir,
00:22:20.87\00:22:22.94
I will follow
you wherever you go."
00:22:22.97\00:22:25.87
And many believe this was Judas
because this person, this scribe
00:22:25.91\00:22:31.41
was hoping for
some earthly gain.
00:22:31.45\00:22:33.08
And Jesus answers and says, "The
foxes have their dens and the
00:22:33.11\00:22:36.82
birds of the air have
their nests, but the son
00:22:36.85\00:22:38.62
of man has
nowhere to lay the head."
00:22:38.65\00:22:40.36
In other words, "If you're
following me because you think
00:22:40.39\00:22:42.19
you're going to get ahead
in the world, don't follow me."
00:22:42.22\00:22:45.83
And, you know--and it's not
specifically in the scriptures,
00:22:45.86\00:22:50.13
but some understand that the
disciples were so impressed with
00:22:50.17\00:22:54.20
the education and the brilliance
of this scribe by the name of
00:22:54.24\00:22:57.44
Judas they recommended him to
Jesus and Jesus allowed him in.
00:22:57.47\00:23:01.88
Now, there is a place in the
Bible where Jesus says, "Have I
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not chosen you 12 and
one of you is a devil?"
00:23:03.91\00:23:08.05
So Christ did ultimately lay
hands on Judas like he did the
00:23:08.08\00:23:11.95
others and say, "Okay,
you're recommending him to me.
00:23:11.99\00:23:14.69
I'm going to go ahead and
treat him like an apostle."
00:23:14.72\00:23:16.86
But he kind of put himself
forward as opposed to being
00:23:16.89\00:23:19.59
called, if we assume
that this scribe is Judas.
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Jean: And we also have some
other references to where Judas
00:23:23.93\00:23:25.97
actually held the money
bag so he came to be the
00:23:26.00\00:23:28.97
treasure--yeah, he was
the treasurer of the group.
00:23:29.00\00:23:31.64
So holding a
position of influence.
00:23:31.67\00:23:34.11
Good question. Thank you.
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Next caller that
we have is Taylor
00:23:35.48\00:23:36.78
listening in South Dakota.
00:23:36.81\00:23:38.11
Taylor, welcome to the program.
00:23:38.15\00:23:41.18
Taylor: Hello, pastors.
00:23:41.22\00:23:42.52
My question is on
Joshua 21, verse 44 where
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it says that the Lord
delivered all their enemies
00:23:50.99\00:23:54.76
into their hand,
them being Israelites.
00:23:54.83\00:23:58.37
But in another
passage in chapter 15,
00:23:58.40\00:24:03.54
verse 63 it says
that as for the Jebusites,
00:24:03.57\00:24:07.94
the children of Judah
could not drive them out.
00:24:07.98\00:24:10.81
And there's a couple of other
instances in chapters 16 and 17.
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So I guess I'm wondering why it
says that he delivered all their
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enemies when there's a few
instances where they didn't.
00:24:18.35\00:24:22.29
Doug: Yeah, I
think that it's just an
00:24:22.32\00:24:23.83
understanding
of the phraseology.
00:24:23.86\00:24:26.66
Everybody that
Joshua went against
00:24:26.70\00:24:29.73
in battle, God delivered them.
00:24:29.76\00:24:33.27
There's only one example where
Joshua's army lost a battle, and
00:24:33.30\00:24:37.01
he came back and then won the--
00:24:37.04\00:24:38.34
you know, he won
the war against Ai.
00:24:38.37\00:24:40.78
The initial battle
against Ai, they were defeated.
00:24:40.81\00:24:43.71
God humbled them. They prayed.
00:24:43.75\00:24:45.61
And then they went
back, they defeated Ai.
00:24:45.65\00:24:47.32
They defeated all the
kings of the Amorites,
00:24:47.35\00:24:49.12
everyone they fought against.
00:24:49.15\00:24:51.05
But they made the
mistake of once they basically
00:24:51.09\00:24:54.56
dominated the land
they got comfortable.
00:24:54.59\00:24:57.39
They inhabited the cities.
00:24:57.43\00:24:59.09
They'd driven
most of them out, but
00:24:59.13\00:25:02.10
they began to
tolerate some of them.
00:25:02.13\00:25:04.07
Even by the time of King
David, David is still trying
00:25:04.10\00:25:06.10
to get the
Jebusites out of Jerusalem.
00:25:06.13\00:25:08.37
Jean: So there seem to be
some mopping-up operations, you
00:25:08.40\00:25:10.87
might say, that needed
to occur by the various
00:25:10.91\00:25:12.97
tribes once
they occupy the land.
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Some tribes were more
diligent in doing that.
00:25:15.68\00:25:18.21
Others kind of just settled in
and they didn't finish the work.
00:25:18.25\00:25:21.58
Doug: "Once the other
tribes--once the other
00:25:21.62\00:25:24.02
nations are paying
taxes and they're not
00:25:24.05\00:25:25.49
bothering us
anymore, we're tired of war.
00:25:25.52\00:25:27.86
We want to start farming."
00:25:27.89\00:25:29.59
And problem was by allowing
those pagan nations to live
00:25:29.62\00:25:33.83
among them, their children began
to intermarry and--that's what
00:25:33.86\00:25:37.70
happened with
Samson and others, and God
00:25:37.73\00:25:41.34
said, "This is
what's going to happen.
00:25:41.37\00:25:42.67
They're going to be
thorns in your sides."
00:25:42.70\00:25:44.47
And I think He
said, "Sand in your eyes."
00:25:44.51\00:25:46.91
And it became a real curse
because they didn't completely
00:25:46.94\00:25:50.35
drive them out as
they were supposed to.
00:25:50.38\00:25:52.95
But everyone they--in the days
of Joshua, everyone they fought
00:25:52.98\00:25:55.48
against in battle
was delivered to them.
00:25:55.52\00:25:58.02
Jean: Okay, next
caller that we have
00:25:58.05\00:25:59.45
is Caleb listening in New York.
00:25:59.49\00:26:00.86
Caleb, welcome to the program.
00:26:00.89\00:26:03.29
Caleb: Hello, pastors.
How are you guys doing today?
00:26:03.32\00:26:05.29
Doug: Doing great.
Thank you for calling.
00:26:05.33\00:26:07.83
Caleb: My question is
about Romans 9, verses 11 to 13.
00:26:07.86\00:26:13.30
I'm just confused about it
because it makes me a little bit
00:26:13.34\00:26:16.84
nervous because I just
want to know is Esau ever
00:26:16.87\00:26:21.38
forgiven and how
does that apply to us?
00:26:21.41\00:26:23.91
How do we know we're forgiven?
00:26:23.95\00:26:26.82
Did Esau know
he was hated like--
00:26:26.85\00:26:31.05
and would Esau
even be in heaven?
00:26:31.09\00:26:33.59
I mean, he forgave his brother.
00:26:33.62\00:26:36.06
I'm just a little
bit confused about--
00:26:36.09\00:26:38.26
from Romans 9 to 11--11 to 13.
00:26:38.29\00:26:44.30
Doug: Yeah, and I'll
read this for our friends.
00:26:44.33\00:26:46.20
It says in Romans chapter 9,
verse 11, "For the children not
00:26:46.23\00:26:50.74
yet being born, nor having
done any good or evil, that the
00:26:50.77\00:26:53.78
purpose of God according to
election might stand, not of
00:26:53.81\00:26:56.38
works but according to
him who calls, it was said
00:26:56.41\00:26:59.18
to her, 'The older
shall serve the younger.'
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As it is written, 'Jacob I have
loved, but Esau I've hated.'"
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My name is Doug Batchelor.
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Jean: My name is Jean Ross.
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And just before the break,
Pastor Doug, we were talking
00:30:17.01\00:30:18.68
with Caleb, and he had a
question about Romans chapter 9
00:30:18.71\00:30:21.78
where it says,
"Jacob I have loved.
00:30:21.82\00:30:23.89
Esau I have hated."
00:30:23.92\00:30:25.35
Almost gives the
idea that they were
00:30:25.39\00:30:27.12
predestinated even
before their birth.
00:30:27.16\00:30:31.23
Doug: Yeah,
it's--this is referring to
00:30:31.26\00:30:33.43
not Jacob
individually necessarily.
00:30:33.46\00:30:36.50
Esau as an individual could
end up being saved, not every
00:30:36.53\00:30:40.70
Edomite--the descendants
of Esau were called Edomites.
00:30:40.74\00:30:43.67
Not every Edomite is lost, and
not every Israelite is saved.
00:30:43.71\00:30:46.98
You know, every
individual based on their lives.
00:30:47.01\00:30:49.21
Esau did make a big
mistake, and he sold
00:30:49.24\00:30:51.25
his birthright
for a pot of beans.
00:30:51.28\00:30:54.85
Well, that doesn't mean he
couldn't have repented later and
00:30:54.88\00:30:57.09
turned to the
Lord and been saved.
00:30:57.12\00:30:58.42
So this is not
dealing with that.
00:30:58.45\00:30:59.69
But the nation of the Edomites
generally turned away from God
00:30:59.72\00:31:04.03
and turned to paganism,
and they are called Esau.
00:31:04.06\00:31:07.96
The nation of
Jacob's was called Israel.
00:31:08.00\00:31:12.23
And so when it says, "I've loved
Jacob and I've hated Esau," it's
00:31:12.27\00:31:15.87
not talking
about the individuals.
00:31:15.90\00:31:18.37
"I've just
decided I'm going to hate
00:31:18.41\00:31:19.71
this one and love this one."
00:31:19.74\00:31:21.44
It's saying because God knew in
advance what they were going to
00:31:21.48\00:31:24.28
do, He could foretell which one
was going to serve the other.
00:31:24.31\00:31:28.88
Jean: And it was
also God just choosing.
00:31:28.92\00:31:30.95
I mean, the Bible says God
didn't choose Israel because
00:31:30.99\00:31:34.46
they were more numerous or
better than the other nations.
00:31:34.49\00:31:38.36
He chose Israel
and was through Israel
00:31:38.39\00:31:40.50
that the Messiah was to come.
00:31:40.53\00:31:42.06
So in that sense the nation was
chosen by God, not talking about
00:31:42.10\00:31:45.90
individuals but
talking about the nation.
00:31:45.93\00:31:47.97
Israel was chosen and
was set apart to prepare
00:31:48.00\00:31:50.74
the way for the
first coming of Jesus.
00:31:50.77\00:31:53.01
Doug: And you can't really
understand Romans chapter 9
00:31:53.04\00:31:56.01
unless you know
what is Paul quoting.
00:31:56.04\00:31:57.85
Paul is quoting
the Old Testament.
00:31:57.88\00:31:59.75
He's quoting
Malachi chapter 1, verse 2.
00:31:59.78\00:32:03.15
It says, "'I have loved you,'
says the Lord, 'yet you say, 'In
00:32:03.18\00:32:06.42
what way have you loved us?'
00:32:06.45\00:32:07.76
'Was not Esau Jacob's brother,'
00:32:07.79\00:32:09.29
says the Lord, 'yet I loved--but
Jacob I've loved and Esau I've
00:32:09.32\00:32:12.83
hated, and I laidwaste his
mountains and his heritage for
00:32:12.86\00:32:17.37
the jackals of the wilderness.'"
00:32:17.40\00:32:18.70
It's talking about a judgment
00:32:18.73\00:32:20.47
that fell on the
descendants of Esau.
00:32:20.50\00:32:23.87
Not so much the
individuals, but their nations.
00:32:23.91\00:32:26.64
Jean: You know, I think we
have some good evidence, Pastor
00:32:26.68\00:32:28.38
Doug, that Esau actually--if you
read about the death of Isaac
00:32:28.41\00:32:32.78
and you have
Jacob and Esau actually
00:32:32.81\00:32:34.28
coming together
to bury their father.
00:32:34.32\00:32:36.05
So it appears as though
there was reconciliation
00:32:36.08\00:32:38.39
at least
between the two of them.
00:32:38.42\00:32:40.16
Esau could very well at
the end of his life have
00:32:40.19\00:32:42.59
returned to the God
of his father, could have
00:32:42.62\00:32:45.09
been a
worshiper of the true God.
00:32:45.13\00:32:46.90
But, again, we're not talking
about individuals here, we're
00:32:46.93\00:32:48.96
talking about the
nations that's represented.
00:32:49.00\00:32:51.53
Next caller that we have is
Bradley listening in Missouri.
00:32:51.57\00:32:54.04
Bradley, welcome to the program.
00:32:54.07\00:32:56.34
Bradley: Good evening, pastors.
00:32:56.37\00:32:57.67
Thank you for taking my call.
00:32:57.71\00:33:00.84
My question tonight is on
Revelation 14, verse 10 and 11.
00:33:00.88\00:33:06.15
And I see a lot of verses in the
Bible that teach against eternal
00:33:06.18\00:33:11.75
hellfire, but I'm actually
confused with the phrase in
00:33:11.79\00:33:15.16
Revelation 14 where it
says the ones that take
00:33:15.19\00:33:18.66
the mark have no
rest day nor night.
00:33:18.69\00:33:22.50
So my question is, if the
wicked after being destroyed are
00:33:22.53\00:33:26.13
sleeping, I guess, what
does it mean when it says
00:33:26.17\00:33:29.74
they are not
resting day nor night?
00:33:29.77\00:33:33.07
Doug: Yeah, well, for one
thing one of the big battles in
00:33:33.11\00:33:36.04
the last days is
whether or not we're going to
00:33:36.08\00:33:39.88
be serving God or
serving the Pharaoh.
00:33:39.91\00:33:42.68
You remember what the
Pharaoh said to Moses?
00:33:42.72\00:33:46.02
He said, "Let my people go,
that they might worship God."
00:33:46.05\00:33:48.42
And Pharaoh said,
"I'm not going to let them.
00:33:48.46\00:33:49.76
You're not working hard enough.
00:33:49.79\00:33:51.09
Don't give them any
straw anymore that they
00:33:51.13\00:33:53.43
may not think
about worshiping God."
00:33:53.46\00:33:56.60
And Pharaoh said
to Moses, "You are
00:33:56.63\00:33:58.47
causing the people to Shabbat."
00:33:58.50\00:34:01.20
Pharaoh said,
"You're causing them to rest.
00:34:01.24\00:34:03.34
Those that worship
the beast have no rest."
00:34:03.37\00:34:06.31
Jesus said, "Come unto me.
00:34:06.34\00:34:08.11
I will give you rest."
00:34:08.14\00:34:09.74
So the--and Hebrews it says,
"They will enter into My rest."
00:34:09.78\00:34:14.98
The rest here isn't talking
about like, you know, not
00:34:15.02\00:34:17.99
perspiring 'cause you're digging
a ditch, it's talking about they
00:34:18.02\00:34:20.59
have no peace, no
rest who worship the beast.
00:34:20.62\00:34:22.99
Jean: There's also judgment
00:34:23.02\00:34:24.33
that's
portrayed in this passage.
00:34:24.36\00:34:25.66
So on the one hand there's
rest--a lack of rest now for the
00:34:25.69\00:34:28.36
unbeliever, but there is a day
of judgment, the Bible is quite
00:34:28.40\00:34:30.90
clear, and in that day of
judgment the Bible says everyone
00:34:30.93\00:34:33.37
shall be rewarded
according to his works.
00:34:33.40\00:34:36.17
Revelation chapter 20
talks about the lake of fire.
00:34:36.20\00:34:39.01
And if every person is to
be rewarded according to their
00:34:39.04\00:34:41.64
works, not everyone's
going to suffer the same.
00:34:41.68\00:34:44.21
In other words, some will
die almost instantaneously.
00:34:44.25\00:34:46.48
Others might
suffer a little longer.
00:34:46.51\00:34:48.88
The devil probably will suffer
the longest, and it appears at
00:34:48.92\00:34:52.15
least a day and a
night he will suffer.
00:34:52.19\00:34:54.59
It won't be eternal.
00:34:54.62\00:34:55.86
There won't be any--you know,
he will ultimately be consumed
00:34:55.89\00:34:59.23
because the Bible says that
the wicked become ashes and the
00:34:59.26\00:35:01.23
devils turn to
ashes on the earth.
00:35:01.26\00:35:03.06
But there are
penalties, there are judgments
00:35:03.10\00:35:05.90
that will come on the wicked.
00:35:05.93\00:35:07.84
And when it says, just
to add to that, the smoke
00:35:07.87\00:35:10.01
of their torment ascends
up forever and ever and they
00:35:10.04\00:35:13.27
have no rest day,
those who worship the image.
00:35:13.31\00:35:15.54
When it says the smoke of their
torment ascend forever, it's not
00:35:15.58\00:35:18.21
saying that they're going
to be tormented forever but the
00:35:18.25\00:35:21.08
consequence of that judgment, of
that fire is forever and ever.
00:35:21.12\00:35:25.82
Those are
destroyed in the hellfire
00:35:25.85\00:35:27.52
at the end of the 1,000 years.
00:35:27.56\00:35:29.39
There is no resurrection
that comes out of that.
00:35:29.42\00:35:31.66
They are eternally lost.
00:35:31.69\00:35:33.29
And so the consequences of their
judgment is forever and ever.
00:35:33.33\00:35:36.43
So the smoke's
forever, not the fire, and
00:35:36.46\00:35:38.33
that's just an
idiomatic expression that we
00:35:38.37\00:35:40.94
find there in the
book of Revelation.
00:35:40.97\00:35:43.41
All right, next
caller that we have
00:35:43.44\00:35:44.74
is Hector
listening from Florida.
00:35:44.77\00:35:46.41
Hector, welcome to the program.
00:35:46.44\00:35:48.24
Hector: Thank you.
Good evening, everybody.
00:35:48.28\00:35:50.95
Doug: Evening.
00:35:50.98\00:35:52.75
Hector: My
question concern two verses
00:35:52.78\00:35:58.02
that I have in front of me.
00:35:58.05\00:36:00.69
One taken from
John 14, verse 2 to 3.
00:36:00.72\00:36:05.19
He's talking about, "My Father's
house have many mansions."
00:36:05.23\00:36:10.50
And we got Isaiah 65,
00:36:10.53\00:36:16.84
verse 21 and 22.
00:36:16.87\00:36:22.78
As Jesus preparing house--in his
Father's house has many mansions
00:36:22.81\00:36:29.58
for us and he went there to
prepare a place for us, while
00:36:29.62\00:36:35.89
Isaiah 65 we have to build
houses and inhabit them and we
00:36:35.92\00:36:45.87
shall plant vineyards
and eat the fruits of them
00:36:45.90\00:36:49.30
and verse 22,
contrary what he's saying, and
00:36:49.34\00:36:52.87
they shall not
build, and another inhabit.
00:36:52.91\00:36:56.18
What can you explain about this?
00:36:56.21\00:36:58.51
Doug: Good question.
00:36:58.55\00:36:59.85
Well, first of all, you're going
to have more than one house.
00:36:59.88\00:37:02.35
Jesus says that he's preparing
a place in the New Jerusalem.
00:37:02.38\00:37:07.99
That's what comes down from God
out of heaven, and then we will
00:37:08.02\00:37:10.99
go forth--you read in Malachi
chapter 4 we're going to go
00:37:11.03\00:37:13.73
forth from the New Jerusalem,
and it says we will--you know,
00:37:13.76\00:37:17.80
God is going to create a
new heavens and a new earth.
00:37:17.83\00:37:20.04
The whole planet is going
to be available for inhabiting.
00:37:20.07\00:37:24.57
The Garden of Eden that
was created and planted by
00:37:24.61\00:37:27.68
God--before the
flood, we assume that God
00:37:27.71\00:37:30.35
took the garden
up, the tree of life.
00:37:30.38\00:37:32.35
It's all in the New Jerusalem.
00:37:32.38\00:37:34.12
It's the Garden of Eden, Central
Park of the New Jerusalem.
00:37:34.15\00:37:37.29
But we're not all just
going to live in the city
00:37:37.32\00:37:39.52
with this beautiful
world God's created.
00:37:39.55\00:37:41.46
They're going to go forth from
the New Jerusalem, and we will
00:37:41.49\00:37:45.06
have our own country estates and
we're going to build houses on
00:37:45.09\00:37:49.36
them and we
will plant vineyards.
00:37:49.40\00:37:51.33
See, God made Adam and
Eve to be horticulturists,
00:37:51.37\00:37:54.94
to plant and to
build and to develop.
00:37:54.97\00:37:58.14
God made men to
create and do stuff.
00:37:58.17\00:38:00.88
We're not going to
just sit there on clouds
00:38:00.91\00:38:02.91
and play harps in
the New Jerusalem.
00:38:02.94\00:38:05.21
Jean: So basically,
Pastor Doug, you're saying
00:38:05.25\00:38:06.72
everyone will have two houses.
00:38:06.75\00:38:08.28
You got your city house.
00:38:08.32\00:38:09.72
You got your country house.
00:38:09.75\00:38:10.99
You got a house--a mansion in
the New Jerusalem and then you
00:38:11.02\00:38:13.59
have a place that you get to
design and build, and you can
00:38:13.62\00:38:17.56
buy whatever you
want for your house
00:38:17.59\00:38:19.03
and put it on
your Father's account.
00:38:19.06\00:38:20.83
He'll cover it.
00:38:20.86\00:38:22.43
All right. Thank you, Hector.
00:38:22.46\00:38:23.83
Next caller is
Don from Oklahoma.
00:38:23.87\00:38:25.47
Don, welcome to the program.
00:38:25.50\00:38:27.24
Don: Hi, yeah.
00:38:27.27\00:38:28.60
My question is in
Matthew 7, verse 22.
00:38:28.64\00:38:34.21
Those will come to
Jesus and say, "Lord, Lord,
00:38:34.24\00:38:36.88
have we not prophesied
in your name and done--
00:38:36.91\00:38:38.91
cast out devils in your name?"
00:38:38.95\00:38:41.28
And so on.
00:38:41.32\00:38:42.75
And, of course, his
response is, "I never knew you."
00:38:42.78\00:38:46.49
So my question is, if they
didn't know him, how are they
00:38:46.52\00:38:52.99
performing these
miracles in his name?
00:38:53.03\00:38:56.63
Doug: Well, you could ask the
question, is it possible for a
00:38:56.67\00:39:00.24
person who isn't converted
to be casting out devils?
00:39:00.27\00:39:07.01
You have the example in the
Bible where Jesus--I'm sorry.
00:39:07.04\00:39:09.58
Judas followed Jesus and Jesus
sent out the 12 apostles and
00:39:09.61\00:39:14.35
they came back and said, "Even
the demons are subject unto us."
00:39:14.38\00:39:18.82
And the apostles were
really confused one day.
00:39:18.85\00:39:21.32
You read this in Mark chapter 9.
00:39:21.36\00:39:22.86
They could not cast out a devil
00:39:22.89\00:39:24.19
and they said,
"What's the problem?
00:39:24.23\00:39:25.53
We usually cast them out.
We couldn't cast this one out."
00:39:25.56\00:39:28.20
But Judas was in that group, and
00:39:28.23\00:39:29.53
he was evidently
casting out devils.
00:39:29.56\00:39:31.73
And, you know, there's
something about the power
00:39:31.77\00:39:35.80
of the Word and
the power of the Lord.
00:39:35.84\00:39:38.41
Sometimes God can even speak
through a donkey if He wants to.
00:39:38.44\00:39:42.08
So you can have someone,
they're not totally converted.
00:39:42.11\00:39:44.81
They can preach and the power
of the Word can still convert
00:39:44.85\00:39:47.32
people and the devils can be
cast out of that person's life
00:39:47.35\00:39:50.22
'cause the power is in
the Word and the person
00:39:50.25\00:39:52.65
themselves may
not even be converted.
00:39:52.69\00:39:55.69
Jean: That's right, Pastor Doug.
00:39:55.72\00:39:57.03
I mean, you look at
people in the Bible.
00:39:57.06\00:39:58.36
You have Saul--King Saul who was
filled with the Spirit at the
00:39:58.39\00:40:01.80
beginning, even prophesied, and
yet we find him at the end of
00:40:01.83\00:40:05.60
his life totally
turning against God.
00:40:05.63\00:40:07.60
So God can use people,
and the power is in the Word.
00:40:07.64\00:40:11.44
Just because somebody does a
miracle, it doesn't always mean
00:40:11.47\00:40:13.94
that they're always
going to be doing what's right.
00:40:13.98\00:40:16.88
Doug: So these are
people that they were going
00:40:16.91\00:40:19.08
through the
religious motions, even seeing
00:40:19.11\00:40:20.48
some fruit, but
they weren't surrendered.
00:40:20.52\00:40:24.19
Thanks. Good question.
00:40:24.22\00:40:25.69
Jean: We got Isaac
listening from New York.
00:40:25.72\00:40:28.89
Isaac, welcome to the program.
00:40:28.92\00:40:31.63
Isaac: Yes, Pastor
Batchelor. My name is Isaac.
00:40:31.66\00:40:40.64
I'm 14 years old, and I would
00:40:40.67\00:40:45.91
like to know if there would be
00:40:45.94\00:40:51.95
any electronics in heaven,
or lamps or anything like that.
00:40:51.98\00:40:57.82
Thank you.
00:40:57.85\00:40:59.15
Doug: All right.
Yeah, good question.
00:40:59.19\00:41:01.99
Well, you can read in
Revelation it says that
00:41:02.02\00:41:05.56
in the New Jerusalem
there's no need of the
00:41:05.59\00:41:08.90
sun for the Lord
God, He lights the city.
00:41:08.93\00:41:13.84
So the whole city is
illuminated with a light
00:41:13.87\00:41:16.14
that comes from God's presence.
00:41:16.17\00:41:19.11
You know, God is
brighter than the sun.
00:41:19.14\00:41:22.64
Jesus is referred to as
the sun of righteousness.
00:41:22.68\00:41:24.91
So I don't think we're going
to need a nuclear power plant to
00:41:24.95\00:41:28.55
give us
electricity in the new earth.
00:41:28.58\00:41:31.52
The glory of God is
going to light things.
00:41:31.55\00:41:34.09
Now, does that mean that as time
goes by there'll be no science
00:41:34.12\00:41:38.06
where we're going to be
using any kind of invention
00:41:38.09\00:41:40.53
or power, maybe
even electric power?
00:41:40.56\00:41:43.47
I don't know, you know.
00:41:43.50\00:41:45.37
God created all these
interesting physics and things
00:41:45.40\00:41:48.67
and, you know, we might have
some creative uses for those in
00:41:48.70\00:41:52.17
the new earth or
even on other worlds.
00:41:52.21\00:41:55.31
So it's hard to say.
00:41:55.34\00:41:57.81
I don't picture we're
going to have electronic
00:41:57.85\00:41:59.95
devices like we do
now, but there may be some
00:42:00.05\00:42:04.69
use of electricity at
some point in the future.
00:42:04.72\00:42:06.49
I don't know.
00:42:06.52\00:42:07.82
Jean: And if you think about
it like you say, Pastor Doug,
00:42:07.86\00:42:09.42
electronics is
really just an outcropping
00:42:09.46\00:42:10.93
of studying the
natural laws of nature and
00:42:10.96\00:42:14.00
figuring out how to
harness those powers.
00:42:14.03\00:42:17.67
In the universe to come and the
earth made new, I'm sure there's
00:42:17.70\00:42:21.64
going to be people interested
in trying to figure out
00:42:21.67\00:42:23.57
why things work
the way they work.
00:42:23.61\00:42:26.17
There will still be science.
There will still be discovery.
00:42:26.21\00:42:28.21
There'll still be learning.
00:42:28.24\00:42:29.74
I don't know if we'll
need to create, you know,
00:42:29.78\00:42:33.01
the network like
the web--World Wide Web.
00:42:33.05\00:42:35.62
We don't need that in heaven.
00:42:35.65\00:42:36.95
Doug: The Cosmic
Web. Jean: That's right.
00:42:36.99\00:42:38.72
But it is
interesting, we'll be learning.
00:42:38.75\00:42:40.39
The Bible says eye has
not seen, ear heard, neither
00:42:40.42\00:42:42.66
entered into the heart
of man the things that God
00:42:42.69\00:42:45.36
is preparing for
those that love Him.
00:42:45.39\00:42:46.70
Thanks for your call.
00:42:46.73\00:42:48.00
We got Eron
listening in New York.
00:42:48.03\00:42:49.33
Eron, you're on the air.
00:42:49.36\00:42:52.13
Eron: Good evening, pastors.
00:42:52.17\00:42:53.47
I like to know the meaning
of John chapter 11, verse 16.
00:42:53.50\00:42:59.41
A few verses before
it, Jesus was explaining to
00:42:59.44\00:43:02.81
his disciples
that Lazarus was dead.
00:43:02.84\00:43:06.48
In the--in verse 16,
Thomas said something
00:43:06.51\00:43:10.02
that doesn't make sense to me.
00:43:10.05\00:43:12.22
Can you explain it?
00:43:12.25\00:43:13.56
Doug: Yeah, well, Jesus is
in--he's up in the northern part
00:43:13.59\00:43:17.36
of the country around Galilee.
00:43:17.39\00:43:20.00
He's around the Sea of Galilee.
00:43:20.03\00:43:22.00
Jesus was born
in Nazareth, which
00:43:22.03\00:43:23.67
was central
Israel up in the north.
00:43:23.70\00:43:26.37
The headquarters
was around Jerusalem.
00:43:26.40\00:43:29.34
The religious leaders down there
and the priests, they wanted
00:43:29.37\00:43:32.41
Jesus dead because the
crowds were following him.
00:43:32.44\00:43:36.48
Jesus had
called them hypocrites.
00:43:36.51\00:43:39.11
And when Jesus said, "I'm going
back to Bethany," which is in
00:43:39.15\00:43:41.65
southern Israel
right--Bethany is not far from
00:43:41.68\00:43:44.12
Jerusalem, Thomas,
who is sometimes a little
00:43:44.15\00:43:46.59
bit negative, he
said, "Well, we love him.
00:43:46.62\00:43:48.32
Let's go, and
we'll die with him.
00:43:48.36\00:43:49.82
He's going to get
killed down there,
00:43:49.86\00:43:51.16
but we'll go die with him."
00:43:51.19\00:43:52.73
And so that's why he's saying
that 'cause Jesus in order to
00:43:52.76\00:43:55.70
resurrect Lazarus he
had to go back down to
00:43:55.73\00:43:58.47
where the hotbed
of his enemies were.
00:43:58.50\00:44:01.64
Does that make sense?
00:44:01.67\00:44:04.81
Eron: Yes. Thanks.
00:44:04.84\00:44:06.14
Doug: Okay. Thank
you so much, Eron.
00:44:06.17\00:44:07.48
Appreciate your
call and your question.
00:44:07.51\00:44:09.11
Jean: Next caller that we have
is Jim listening in Indiana.
00:44:09.14\00:44:11.85
Jim, welcome to the program.
00:44:11.88\00:44:14.08
Jim: Yes. Thank you.
00:44:14.12\00:44:15.68
Good to talk to you both again.
00:44:15.72\00:44:17.52
Doug: Thank you.
00:44:17.55\00:44:18.92
Jim: I was wondering in
Revelations 16 and 17, but in 17
00:44:18.95\00:44:23.39
it says the ten horns--verse 16,
"The ten horns which thou sawest
00:44:23.43\00:44:30.43
upon the beast,
these shall hate the whore,
00:44:30.47\00:44:32.97
and shall make her
desolate and naked, and shall
00:44:33.00\00:44:35.40
eat her flesh and
burn her with fire."
00:44:35.44\00:44:37.81
Now, is--does that
there coincide with 15--
00:44:37.84\00:44:45.18
or 16:21, and
there fell upon men--
00:44:45.21\00:44:51.99
Doug: Were you
talking about does Revelation
00:44:52.02\00:44:54.89
17 where it talks
about the ten horns, does
00:44:54.92\00:44:57.49
that coincide
with Revelation 16?
00:44:57.53\00:45:01.63
I'm not sure what you're asking.
00:45:01.66\00:45:03.23
Jim: You know, when it--yeah,
when it talks about, "And there
00:45:03.26\00:45:06.50
fell upon men a great hail out
of heaven, and every stone about
00:45:06.53\00:45:10.34
the weight of a
talon and men blaspheme."
00:45:10.37\00:45:14.94
Does the city get burned
by Jesus when he comes or--
00:45:14.98\00:45:22.55
Doug: Yeah, the--in
Revelation 16 you've
00:45:22.58\00:45:24.99
got in the last plague it
talks about this great hail
00:45:25.02\00:45:28.06
that falls upon men, and
this is the seventh plague.
00:45:28.09\00:45:31.53
It's all synonymous with
the second coming of Jesus.
00:45:31.56\00:45:35.13
The last plague is the Lord
comes and, you know, there's a
00:45:35.16\00:45:37.70
great earthquake
and a great hail plague.
00:45:37.73\00:45:40.47
Then you read in chapter
17--and keep in mind Revelation
00:45:40.50\00:45:43.34
often backs up
and gives more detail.
00:45:43.37\00:45:45.64
You can read in chapter 17 about
the fall of Babylon and all
00:45:45.67\00:45:49.24
these plagues that seem to fall
on Babylon, but the ten horns
00:45:49.28\00:45:53.48
specifically are the ten
divisions of the Roman Empire
00:45:53.52\00:45:59.25
that had grown into
the nations of Europe that
00:45:59.29\00:46:02.89
ended up becoming the
economic powerhouse of the world
00:46:02.92\00:46:07.60
and that where the
seed of the beast is.
00:46:07.60\00:46:11.57
So you almost need to
better understand the ten horns.
00:46:11.60\00:46:14.80
You need to read our
lesson on who is the Antichrist.
00:46:14.84\00:46:18.41
Jean: That's right.
00:46:18.44\00:46:19.74
Just to add to that a little
bit, when it talks about the ten
00:46:19.77\00:46:21.61
horns, it says
they're ten kings.
00:46:21.64\00:46:22.98
A king represents a kingdom.
00:46:23.01\00:46:25.05
So there appears, according to
Revelation 17, that there is a
00:46:25.08\00:46:28.12
coalition of kingdoms
supporting the beast power
00:46:28.15\00:46:31.72
described as
Babylon in Revelation 17.
00:46:31.75\00:46:34.09
But when they
realize that they've been
00:46:34.12\00:46:35.52
deceived, this is just
before the second coming of
00:46:35.56\00:46:37.93
Christ, they actually
turn against this power.
00:46:37.96\00:46:41.40
So those powers--those political
powers that once supported this
00:46:41.43\00:46:45.17
political religious power
ends up turning against it.
00:46:45.20\00:46:48.77
And then of course
you have the hail, you
00:46:48.80\00:46:50.47
have the second
coming of Christ.
00:46:50.51\00:46:51.81
So it's right near the end.
00:46:51.84\00:46:53.48
The parallel of that is the
drying up of the River Euphrates
00:46:53.51\00:46:57.11
where the support that came to
symbolic Babylon is withdrawn.
00:46:57.15\00:47:00.85
Those powers
withdraw their support.
00:47:00.88\00:47:02.98
Okay.
00:47:03.02\00:47:04.32
We have Andre
listening in Colorado.
00:47:04.35\00:47:05.65
Andre, welcome to the program.
00:47:05.69\00:47:08.26
Andre: Yes. Thank you, pastors.
00:47:08.29\00:47:09.59
You all can hear me?
00:47:09.62\00:47:10.93
Doug: Yes.
Thank you for calling.
00:47:10.96\00:47:12.46
Andre: Yes.
00:47:12.49\00:47:13.73
So my question is--this one has
been confusing me for quite some
00:47:13.76\00:47:17.53
years actually, and it's in the
topic of divorce and remarriage.
00:47:17.57\00:47:23.10
And my question is in regards
to--in the situation of a
00:47:23.14\00:47:28.78
divorce where
adultery took place.
00:47:28.81\00:47:32.95
And can the person who's in the
wrong be remarried after that?
00:47:32.98\00:47:42.02
After--is there a time of, you
know, repentance that can take
00:47:42.06\00:47:45.86
place and then that
person can get remarried?
00:47:45.89\00:47:49.30
And the confusion is, is
that person not supposed to be
00:47:49.33\00:47:53.77
married for the rest of
their life or can they be
00:47:53.80\00:47:57.61
remarried eventually
with true repentance?
00:47:57.64\00:48:01.38
And of course with, for example,
David and Bathsheba, wasn't he
00:48:01.41\00:48:07.68
married and then he committed
adultery and then he did what he
00:48:07.72\00:48:12.82
did with Bathsheba but
he eventually married her?
00:48:12.85\00:48:16.36
So can you please
explain that, please?
00:48:16.39\00:48:18.66
Doug: Yes, well, what
you're saying is true.
00:48:18.69\00:48:21.33
David basically he
killed Bathsheba's husband.
00:48:21.36\00:48:26.53
He did it at the hands of other
soldiers and then he took her to
00:48:26.57\00:48:29.70
be his wife, and Nathan the
prophet confronted him and said,
00:48:29.74\00:48:32.87
"Because of what you've done,
the sword will never depart from
00:48:32.91\00:48:36.58
your house and you--because
you did this thing you will lose
00:48:36.61\00:48:41.12
four of your sons,"
which ended up happening.
00:48:41.15\00:48:44.59
He lost the baby, lost Absalom,
lost Adonijah, and lost Amnon.
00:48:44.62\00:48:49.96
And so you can say, yeah, God
did forgive David and Bathsheba
00:48:49.99\00:48:55.20
ended up becoming his
wife, and God knows you can't,
00:48:55.23\00:48:58.33
you know,
unscramble scrambled eggs.
00:48:58.37\00:49:01.04
I guess God can do
anything. He can do that, too.
00:49:01.07\00:49:02.64
But, you know, typically once
you get into these divorce and
00:49:02.67\00:49:06.41
remarriage things, God
sort of meets us where we're at.
00:49:06.44\00:49:10.05
When Jesus met the woman
at the well, of course she
00:49:10.08\00:49:12.15
was a pagan and
didn't know any better.
00:49:12.18\00:49:13.85
She'd had five
husbands and was living
00:49:13.88\00:49:16.42
with a man she's not married to.
00:49:16.45\00:49:18.35
Well, he still
revealed he was the Messiah and
00:49:18.39\00:49:21.09
we believe he saved
her because she goes out
00:49:21.12\00:49:23.09
right away
telling everyone else.
00:49:23.12\00:49:25.13
So--but biblically, you know,
there's no grounds for divorce
00:49:25.16\00:49:29.63
and remarriage unless the other
partner has committed adultery.
00:49:29.66\00:49:35.04
Jesus said--otherwise, as soon
as you start making loopholes,
00:49:35.07\00:49:39.44
everybody starts trying
to make the loopholes bigger.
00:49:39.47\00:49:42.51
Marriage is--it's interesting
Pastor Ross and I just came from
00:49:42.54\00:49:44.65
a marriage,
very sacred covenant.
00:49:44.68\00:49:47.15
If you're watching our
television broadcast, you see
00:49:47.18\00:49:48.85
we're dressed up a
little more than usual because
00:49:48.88\00:49:51.29
we walked over
from the marriage here.
00:49:51.32\00:49:52.95
It's a sacred covenant.
00:49:52.99\00:49:54.29
It's supposed to be
till death do you part.
00:49:54.32\00:49:56.42
Now, when there is divorce and
sometimes people get divorced
00:49:56.46\00:50:00.16
and remarried and they don't
have biblical grounds, are we
00:50:00.20\00:50:03.16
saying that's
the unpardonable sin?
00:50:03.20\00:50:05.63
No.
00:50:05.67\00:50:07.40
The Bible says something
else is the unpardonable sin.
00:50:07.44\00:50:10.31
But I recommend
you talk to a pastor.
00:50:10.34\00:50:14.64
Sometimes there's a lot of more
intimate details connected with
00:50:14.68\00:50:18.58
divorce and grounds for divorce
than--you don't want radio
00:50:18.61\00:50:22.25
pastors giving you
life advice on that.
00:50:22.28\00:50:24.29
You probably get someone local.
00:50:24.32\00:50:26.19
Jean: You know, we do
have a book, Pastor Doug,
00:50:26.22\00:50:27.56
that gives some good
biblical principles called
00:50:27.59\00:50:30.43
"Marriage,
Divorce, and Remarriage."
00:50:30.46\00:50:32.29
And we'll be happy to send this
to anyone who calls and ask.
00:50:32.33\00:50:34.56
It's 800-835-6747.
Just ask of the book.
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Jeffrey, welcome to the program.
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Jeffrey: Hey, I had a
question coming out of 1
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Corinthians 14 and 2 where it
talks about the unknown tongue.
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I wanted to get you
guys's interpretation
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on that word unknown tongues.
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Sorry.
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Doug: Yeah. Yeah.
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So in 1 Corinthians
chapter 14, Paul goes
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into a length
explaining about tongues.
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Now, the word tongues
simply means language.
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Every time here in 1
Corinthians where you read the
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word tongue, just
insert the word language.
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When they were speaking in
their services in the Corinthian
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churches, they had slaves
from all over the Roman Empire.
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They spoke many languages.
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Their services
were becoming confusing.
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People were praying in public in
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languages no
one else understood.
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Paul said, "If you're going to
pray in a tongue--" And when he
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says unknown tongue, he means
unknown to the majority there.
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"If you're praying in a tongue
that is unknown to the others
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there, you should
have an interpreter."
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Paul says, "If
not, pray to yourself."
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And you can read, for instance,
in verse 7 he says, "Even things
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without life, whether a flute or
a harp, when they make a sound,
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unless they make a
distinction in the sounds, how
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will it be known
what is piped or played?"
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You know, when you play
music, if you give it to
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a child, they just
start playing gibberish on the
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piano, you don't
know what the song is.
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It needs to be
order and distinction
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for you to recognize the song.
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It says so it is--and he goes on
and says, "If the trumpet makes
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an uncertain sound, who
can prepare for the battle?"
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Trumpets used to
give very specific sounds.
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He said, "In the same way there
are many languages in the world
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and none of them is
without significance.
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Therefore, if I don't know the
meaning of the language," and
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I'm in verse 11 now,
"I'll be a foreigner to him
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who speaks, and he
will be a foreigner to me."
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So, you know, we--he's basically
saying speak in the languages
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now--and you read in verse 13,
"Therefore let him who speaks in
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a tongue pray that
he might interpret.
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For if I pray in a
tongue, my spirit prays but my
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understanding is unfruitful,"
meaning people listening,
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it's--they don't
understand what I'm saying.
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My praying is
unfruitful to them.
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So the summary of it is whether
you're preaching or praying in
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public, do it in a language that
people listening understand, or
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have an interpreter, a
translator, or don't speak.
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Now, we have a book on this,
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and I really hope
you'll request this.
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It's called
"Understanding Tongues."
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It's a book that
deals specifically
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with the subject of tongues.
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I know in a lot of churches
people kind of break out
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speaking in
tongues and it sounds like
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babbling or
gibberish and folks are
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wondering, "What
are they saying?"
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They say it's a heavenly
prayer language, but there's
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no example of
Jesus doing this or Paul.
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The only time they
spoke in tongues was in
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Acts chapter 2,
Acts 10, and Acts 19.
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And there are several
language groups present.
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Purpose for a tongue
is to communicate thought,
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and the idea of us
just babbling in a language
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we don't even
understand is not biblical.
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So if you want to find out what
the Bible really says on this,
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and it's a pretty compelling
book, it's not a big book, just
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ask for the book
"Understanding Tongues."
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Now, listening
friends, we're going
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to be taking off
in just a minute.
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As you know, if you've
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program goes all across the
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world and we kind of sign off
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listening via satellite,
which is on a different
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schedule from the
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So in a moment we're going
to say farewell to those who are
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listening by satellite, and then
we're going to come back and
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we're going to answer some
rapid fire Bible questions.
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And two things, Pastor Ross.
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One is, how does a person
get the book "Unknown Tongues?"
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And the other is, how do
they send in their questions?
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Jean: Okay, to get the
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That is our resource
phone line. Ask for the book.
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It's called
"Understanding Tongues."
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We'll be happy to
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Jean: Hello, friends.
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Welcome back for our
email questions or the
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texting questions
that have come in.
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Pastor Doug, we have
several good ones this evening.
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Question number
one, "Are the seven
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last plagues
literal or figurative?"
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Doug: Well, both.
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We believe that they're real
because you read in Revelation
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when it talks in chapter 15,
16 about the seven last plagues,
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many of them are
similar to the plagues that fell
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on ancient Egypt,
which were very real.
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There were ten plagues that fell
on Egypt as a prelude to their
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deliverance and the
journey to the Promised Land.
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The children of
Israel were protected from
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the last seven of
those ten plagues.
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So in Revelation when it
says there are seven plagues God
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protects us through those seven
last plagues, but they are very
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real plagues that prelude our
deliverance from this world and
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beginning a journey
to God's promised land.
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Now, there may be some spiritual
applications to some of the
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plagues like the darkness on
the seat of the beast, probably
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literal darkness, but it means
they're also living in darkness.
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Jean: All right, next question
that we have, it says, "When
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Jesus says he baptizes
with fire, what does it mean?"
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Doug: The Holy Spirit
because John the Baptist
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says that he
that comes after you
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will baptize you
in fire in the Spirit.
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He makes it clear what that--and
then you look in Acts chapter 2.
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When the Holy Spirit
fell on the apostles,
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it says it came
like tongues of fire.
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The children of Israel when
they came out of Egypt they went
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through the Red Sea, baptized in
water, then they were baptized
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in a pillar of fire that
God used to protect them.
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We need both baptisms.
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Jean: "Did Jesus die on
Wednesday if the Bible says he
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was three days and three nights
in the heart of the earth?"
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Doug: No.
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The only reason people try
to move the crucifixion to a
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Wednesday is they misunderstand
Matthew chapter 12 where Jesus
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said, "As Jonah was three days
and three nights in the heart of
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the earth, so the son of man
will be--" Rather "Jonah three
00:57:23.67\00:57:26.44
days, three nights in the belly
of the fish, so the son of man
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will be three days, three nights
in the heart of the earth."
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The three days of Jesus begins
with his suffering and his
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surrender in the
Garden of Gethsemane.
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So it's talking about Thursday
night, Friday night, Saturday
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night he was suffering
for the sins of the world.
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That's including the suffering,
the death, and the tomb.
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He rose Sunday morning.
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So you don't need to move
the crucifixion to Wednesday.
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By the way, we do have a book
that talks about that three days
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and three nights, and it's
called "The Sign of Jonah."
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Jean: That's right.
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If you'd like to receive the
book, just call 800-835-6747.
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Pastor Doug, one more.
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"Where in the
Bible does it say, 'God
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helps those who
help themselves?'"
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Doug: Doesn't say
that in the Bible.
00:58:09.35\00:58:10.99
That was Benjamin Franklin.
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