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Pastor Doug Batchelor.
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- Hello, listening friends.
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Would you like to
hear an amazing fact?
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Back in June 2005,
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Carolyn Smith from
Salt Lake City in Utah
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made headlines after
auctioning off her forehead
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as advertising
space for $10,000.
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After a media circus, the
online casino, goldenpalace.com,
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had a winning bid accepted
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and their casino logo was
boldly tattooed on her cranium.
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The tattoo artist
tried to talk her out of it,
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but Carolyn insisted.
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The strange stunt
is more understandable
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when you realize Smith was
trying to raise tuition money
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to send her son
to a private school.
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Now, she may have
been a desperate soccer mom
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trying to raise money
for her school's education,
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but you know, Pastor Ross,
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the Bible talks about a
woman in the Book of Revelation
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that has a whole
paragraph on her forehead.
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- That's right, Pastor Doug.
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Not just the name of a business,
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but really
something very significant
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actually
written on her forehead.
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Talks about Babylon the
Great, the Mother of Harlots,
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and the
abominations of the Earth.
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So that's quite a bit
to fit on the forehead.
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- You know, I
remember a few years ago
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we actually
produced a video called,
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"The Bride, the
Beast and Babylon."
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And our friends
can see that online.
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I think one of
them, one of the YouTubes,
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has like 3,000,000 hits.
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But we actually had a model
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and we had someone
paint in Hebrew characters,
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or maybe it was Greek,
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across her forehead that title
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so that she could replicate
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the woman that
you see in Revelation.
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And they did a pretty good job
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but they had to
write pretty small
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to get the whole thing there.
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(Pastor Ross laughs)
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Let me tell you what's
on her forehead, friends.
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You can read this in
Revelation 17:5 and 6.
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And on her forehead,
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speaking of this mysterious
woman in Revelation 17,
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on her forehead
a name was written:
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Mystery, Babylon the
Great, the Mother of Harlots
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and Abominations of the Earth.
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That was
written on her forehead.
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And I saw the woman
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who was drunk with
the blood of the saints
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and with the blood
of the martyrs of Jesus.
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And when I saw her, I
marveled with great amazement.
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That's Revelation 17:5 and 6.
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So what does that mean?
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In the last days, we're
gonna see people going around
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and they've got
666 in their forehead,
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or they've got a seal
of God in their forehead,
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or they've got Mother of
Harlots in their forehead?
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- Well, you know, Pastor Doug,
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it's interesting
that like you mentioned,
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it's not just one symbol here.
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You just have the
woman with Babylon,
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but the Bible
speaks of the forehead,
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talks about the mark of the
Beast being in the forehead,
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talks about the seal of
God being in the forehead.
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And I think even
the Old Testament
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talks about the law of
God being in the forehead.
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And that's kind of led to
some strange interpretations
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where you have the
Orthodox Jews today
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even having
little scrolls of the law
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and they put it in
the box on the forehead.
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And I'm sure many of our
listeners have seen that before.
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- Yeah.
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- But what does that all mean,
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having the law of
God in the forehead
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or the mark of
the Beast or the seal?
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- Yeah. You know,
it's very clearly a symbol.
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We're not gonna see people
going around in the last days.
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And Revelation says:
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The redeemed have their
Father's name in their forehead.
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I think that's 7:14.
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And you can read in
Ezekiel 9 it says that
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those that have this
mark in their forehead
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are spared a destruction.
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So that's a good mark.
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You want that one.
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God put a mark on Cain.
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Doesn't say his
forehead, but God marked Cain.
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But when you
read in Deuteronomy 6,
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after God gives
the 10 Commandments,
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He says, "Hear, O
Israel, the Lord our God is one.
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"Thou shall love the
Lord with all thy heart, mind,
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"soul, and strength.
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"And these words
that I command you today
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"shall be in your heart."
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Now that's clearly a
symbol, the word in our heart.
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He says, "You'll teach them
diligently to your children.
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"You talk them when you
lay down, when you rise up,
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"when you go out,
when you come in."
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Says, "You will bind
them for a sign on your hand
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"and they will be
frontlets between your eyes."
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It actually uses that
phrase four times in just Exodus
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and Deuteronomy saying:
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The law of God was
to be in our hands,
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written in our hands
and in our foreheads.
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Well, that's a
symbol for in your actions
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and in your thoughts.
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So in Revelation, when it talks
about a mark in the forehead
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or the hand, it's not
talking about a literal mark.
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Now we've got a lesson I think
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that talks about that woman
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that has that
paragraph in her forehead.
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- That's right.
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It's an important
symbol that we find
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in the Book of Revelation.
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And we do have a study guide.
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It's called, "The Other Woman,"
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'cause in Revelation you
have a description of two women,
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one in Revelation 12 and then
this woman in Revelation 17.
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If you'd like to learn
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or ask for it by name.
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It's called, "The Other Woman."
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It's part of the
Amazing Fact study guide series.
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And if you've never gone
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you can also ask
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Just say, "I'd like to enroll in
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So, Pastor Doug,
very great opportunity
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for folks to
take advantage of that
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and they can do the
whole series of lessons.
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Well, before we go to the
phone lines, as we always do,
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we like to start
with a word of prayer.
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So we'll do that now.
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Dear Father, we
thank You for Your Word.
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We thank You for the
opportunity for us to study
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and we always recognize
that the Bible is Your book,
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written and
inspired by the Holy Spirit,
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and so we do need the
Spirit's guidance as we study.
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So pray Your blessing
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and be with those
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We ask this in
Jesus' name, amen.
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Our first caller
that we have is Dylan
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listening from Nevada.
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Dylan, welcome to the program.
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- [Dylan] Hi guys, I haven't
talked to you in a while.
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Last time I
believe I talked to you,
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I was talking
about a suicide question
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'cause I had a close
friend that I used to box with
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that he taught me.
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They were younger than
me, they were brothers,
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and one of them
committed suicide.
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You guys gave me a good answer.
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I just wanted your opinion
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'cause I kinda
feel that I know this,
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but I just wanted your opinion.
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You guys are just
awesome soldiers of Christ.
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And that was my question
would be in Proverbs 26,
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I believe it was
four, in verse five.
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- Is that where it says:
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Answer a fool
according to his folly?
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- Yeah, let me read that.
I got the verse right here.
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- Okay. Go ahead.
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- It says:
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Do not answer a fool
according to his folly,
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lest you also be like him.
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Answer a fool
according to his folly,
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lest he be wise in his own eyes.
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- Yeah, Solomon
is actually using
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a little bit of irony here.
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He's saying if you
don't answer a fool,
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he's wise in his own
eyes, he's smug and conceited
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and thinks he's correct because
you didn't have an answer.
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But if you do answer him,
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then you sound like him by
engaging in a silly question.
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And so what Solomon is saying is
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you can't win if
you're in debate with a fool
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because if you take up
the debate you sound foolish
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and if you don't take up the
debate, he thinks he's right.
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So he said,
"You just can't win."
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- [Dylan] Correct.
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- Does that make sense?
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- [Dylan] I mean,
so which one is it?
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What is your opinion?
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So don't say anything?
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- He's using a little bit of
kinda sanctified sarcasm there.
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He's saying, "If
you're arguing with a fool,"
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he says, "You're
not gonna get anywhere."
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It's like shoveling air.
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If you don't answer a fool,
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if he comes up with
some ridiculous claim
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and you don't answer
him, he thinks he's right.
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If you do answer him and you
engage in a debate with a fool,
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you start sounding foolish.
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Someone said, "You know,
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"if you get into a
wrestling match with a pig,
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"you just get dirty."
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You've heard
that before. (laughs)
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And the pig enjoys it.
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So it's just like one of
those lose-lose situations
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is exactly what
Solomon's saying.
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That's why he's got
these two contrasting proverbs
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next to each other.
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He's just showing how futile
it is to try and communicate,
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make sense to a fool.
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- And you know, Solomon is
not trying to give us guidance
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as to how we ought
to respond to a fool.
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He's giving
characteristics of a fool.
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So a fool is wise
in his own thinking
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and if you engage with him,
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it doesn't really help much
because then you look foolish.
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So how do you work with a fool?
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And I think that's the point
that he's trying to illustrate
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is what foolishness
is and what people do,
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what they look like
when they are foolish.
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Thank you for your call, Dylan.
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We've got Anthony
listening in New York.
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Anthony, you're on the air.
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- [Anthony] Good
evening, Pastors.
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- Evening.
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- [Anthony] Pastor
Doug, I saw your team
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put out the country
living video this past week
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and I- - Oh yeah.
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- [Anthony] I'd
watched it before
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and I just
decided to watch it again.
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It was a good reminder
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because we just moved out
into the country last year
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and it's kind of cool
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because I'm doing some of
the things like splitting wood
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and heating my
house with it, you know?
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Some of the stuff I
watched like three years ago
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when we read your book as well.
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So it was very valuable.
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- Well, praise the Lord.
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It's a couple years old
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but they thought they'd
resurrect it and post it again.
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- [Anthony] For sure.
Yeah, it was a good reminder.
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- Good.
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How can we help you tonight?
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- [Anthony] I just wanna know
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how to reconcile
two different verses
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because I firmly believe
in the state of the part,
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the adoption of
the state of the dead
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where the dead are
asleep until Christ returns
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and resurrects them.
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But sometimes when people
try to justify the opposite,
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that you go to
Heaven right when you die,
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they use certain
verses to justify it.
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So I just want to understand
how to reconcile Mark 12:27
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where it says:
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He is not the God of the
dead but the God of the living.
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Ye therefore do greatly err.
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And that's in its own context.
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And then that was
before Christ died
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and then after Christ
died, Romans 14:9 says:
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For to this end Christ
both died and rose and revived
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that He might be the
Lord, both of the living,
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or both of the
dead and the living.
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So I'm just trying to understand
how to reconcile those two.
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- Yeah, well good question.
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I don't think
there's a conflict there.
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When Jesus talks to the
Sadducees and He says that,
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"They err not
knowing the scriptures
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"because God says,
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"'I'm the God of
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.'
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"He's not the God of
the dead but of the living."
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God would not say He
is the God of someone
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or something that
has lost all being,
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that they've become nothing,
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they've died and
there's no future.
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Believers sleep.
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And when you're asleep
you're very much alive.
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And so, but Jesus
calls death a sleep.
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And so Paul is really
addressing a different issue.
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Paul is saying he's
talking about the resurrection,
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those that are in their graves,
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he's assuring people,
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"Don't worry,
Jesus is the God of them
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"and He's also the God
of those that are alive."
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And I think Paul even
has a subtle secondary.
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He talks about
people being dead in sin.
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God is the God of
those who are dead in sin?
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He's the God of the dead
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who are waiting
for the resurrection.
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"Good or evil, he's the
God over all," Paul says.
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So I think he's really
saying something different.
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That Jesus is the
God of dead and living.
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- I think part
of the controversy
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that took place between
Jesus and the Sadducees,
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the Sadducees didn't
believe in a resurrection.
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So Christ is saying, "Well,
God is not the God of the dead,
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"but the living,"
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meaning that
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
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they're gonna be resurrected.
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Remember the Sadducees
didn't believe in that.
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- [Pastor Doug] Right.
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- So he's not saying that,
"There's no hope for the dead."
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But rather they
will be resurrected,
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they will live again
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and God is aware of that.
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So the argument
used there in Mark
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is really
emphasizing the fact that
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there will be a resurrection
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and the
righteous will rise again.
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- Yep. Absolutely.
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- All right, hope
that helps, Anthony.
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We've got Maylene
listening in Florida.
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Maylene, welcome to the program.
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- [Maylene] Hello.
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- Hi. There you are.
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- [Maylene] My question is,
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are the people saved
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who had no
opportunity to hear the gospel?
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Like people in
China when Jesus was here
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and people now
but don't have anybody
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bring the gospel to them?
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- Well, first of all,
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anybody who is
saved is saved by Jesus.
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The Bible tells us in Acts 4:
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There is no other
name given among men
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whereby we must be saved.
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So anyone who's
saved is saved by the mercy
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and the grace of Jesus
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and by His
sacrifice in their behalf.
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Nobody works
their way to Heaven.
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There will be some
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who walked in all
the light that they had.
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Paul speaks in Romans 1 about
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the Gentiles who do the
things that are in the law
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that's kind of
written in their hearts.
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And so some people have listened
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to the voice of the Holy Spirit
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or maybe God spoken
to them through angels
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and they've followed
all they knew of God.
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And Jesus said,
"Those that have done good
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"will come forth in
the resurrection of life."
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They're not being
saved by their works,
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they're still
being saved by Christ,
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but they've had
no other opportunity.
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And of course a lot of folks
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who are never
gonna hear the good news
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will be lost because
nobody took them the news.
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And that's unfortunate.
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So can God save people
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who maybe didn't have a
missionary go to Australia
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or South America or China?
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Yes, absolutely.
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One example would be
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you can see that God even
had a prophet in Mesopotamia
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who was not an
Israelite, his name was Balaam.
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And we presume there were
others that were God's people.
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Now Balaam, he ended up
making some bad mistakes
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but he was called
the Prophet of God.
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Prior to that, God
was speaking to him.
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And so ostensibly,
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God has got people that
He's spoken to around the world,
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but His principle means
of communication was through
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Israel, through the Word of God.
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But God is not limited
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so He cannot speak
through angels or His Spirit,
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and some people have embraced
God through what they had.
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- And of course we have
another example, Pastor Doug,
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with the Wise Men that
came at the birth of Jesus.
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- [Pastor Doug] Yeah.
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- They weren't Jews.
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So based upon
what they understood,
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God was leading, guiding them.
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All right, well, thank
you for your question Maylene.
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We've got Crystal
listening in Michigan.
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Crystal, welcome to the program.
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Hi Cry- - [Crystal] Hello?
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- Yep, you're on the air.
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- [Crystal] Hi. Hi, Pastors.
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So my question is,
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does God only hear the
prayers of those who obey Him?
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- Okay, now when you say,
"Does God hear the prayers,"
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let me just explain that they're
different kinds of prayers.
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If a person is praying
a prayer of repentance,
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of course it's a
disobedient people
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that pray prayers of repentance,
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those prayers are always heard
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whenever you sincerely repent.
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Sometimes we'll offer God
our shopping list and say,
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"Lord, we want X, Y, and Z."
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God doesn't guarantee
He's gonna answer that prayer.
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The Bible says that
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if we turn away our
ear from hearing the law,
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our prayer is an abomination.
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Now, that doesn't
mean we have to be sinless
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before God answers our prayers,
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or we'd all be in trouble.
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But we need to pray
in the name of Jesus.
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We need to pray
with a submissive heart,
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a willingness to obey.
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Where is it?
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In 1 John where it says:
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Whatever things we ask,
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we receive because
we keep His commandments
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and do those things that
are pleasing in His sight.
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So there the New
Testament apostle says,
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"There's a connection
between whatever we ask.
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"We have
confidence God's gonna hear us
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"'cause we're
surrendered to Him,
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"we're keeping
His commandments."
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- 1 John 3:22.
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- There you go. - Is the verse.
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- So again though, that
doesn't mean that He never hears
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the prayers of
only the obedient.
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I was just today
reading the story of Elijah
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when Elijah ran from Jezebel.
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God never told him to do that.
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He was sort of
going the wrong way.
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And God had an angel
took care of him and fed him,
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even though he was going
the wrong way of his own.
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And so if God
stopped providing for us,
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we'd all be done for.
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- And of course, if
somebody's sincerely praying
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and asking God for help
to keep His commandments.
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- [Pastor Doug] Yeah.
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- That kind of
prayer, God always hears.
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- [Pastor Doug] Yes.
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- If it's sincere.
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All right, next caller
that we have is Richard
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listening in Texas.
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Richard, welcome to the program.
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- [Richard] Hey, thank you guys.
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I have a quick question.
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I came across 1
Timothy 6:10 where it says:
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For the love of money is
a root of all kind of evil.
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And I was wondering about
this last part of the sentence
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where it says root
of all kind of evil.
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And I mean of course in
the beginning in our story
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we didn't have money.
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And then how I
reconcile this with lust,
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wrath or sloth, for example?
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- Yeah, of course
there was evil before money.
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Money goes back pretty far.
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Money, paper money, is different
from currency or valuables.
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That's what money is.
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I mean, money used
to be the barter system
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and they used to trade
gold and silver or valuables.
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When Sampson was
gonna pay a debt,
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he was offering clothing
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'cause that was a
valuable bartering material.
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So it's really not just
a paper money or something,
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but when he
says, "Love of money,"
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love of possessions, it's love
of the power that money has,
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is the root.
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Greed. Jesus
was sold for silver.
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You know, it's a sin that
connects with many other sins.
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- And I think
the root of all evil,
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it's not just
talking about an individual
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but I think it's
society as a whole.
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- [Pastor Doug] Yeah.
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- There's so much wickedness
promoted by the love of money.
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You think of crime,
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you think of just
the terrible things just-
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- [Pastor Doug]
That's what gambling is.
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- Political conflict, gamble.
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- [Pastor Doug] Whatever.
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- All motivated by possessions,
and by power, by money.
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So I think that's
the connection there.
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- [Pastor Doug] Yeah.
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- Okay, next caller
that we have is Sherri
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listening in Kentucky.
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Sherri, welcome to the program.
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- [Sherri] Hi.
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- Yeah!
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- [Sherri] I
have a weird question.
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I've been reading the Bible
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like from cover
to cover for years
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and I can't even count
how many times I've done that,
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but I read the Old
Testament and the New Testament.
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You know, I'll read two in
the Old and two in the New.
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But I've done it so
long that I don't feel like-
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I mean, I know the
bible and all that,
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but when it says to
search the scriptures
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to find yourself
approved before the Lord.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- [Sherri] I don't know.
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I mean, I stopped.
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This time I stopped
going all the way through
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and I'm only reading,
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like right now I'm in Proverbs
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and I'll read that
all the way through.
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Do I just keep doing that?
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Or if I wanna
just read the Bible,
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do I just grab a
story and just read it?
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I'm really lost in that.
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I don't understand, you know?
00:19:45.75\00:19:47.85
- [Pastor Doug] Well.
00:19:47.85\00:19:48.88
- [Sherri] Do you
understand what I mean?
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- I think I know
what you're saying.
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The Bible is something
like painting a bridge.
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I understand the
Golden Gate bridge is so big
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and because it's
there exposed to the wind
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and the salt water,
00:20:00.26\00:20:01.60
that they are
always painting the bridge.
00:20:01.60\00:20:04.57
They never get done
painting the bridge.
00:20:04.57\00:20:06.63
And the bridge always looks good
00:20:08.17\00:20:09.44
because they're
always painting it.
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If they should stop
painting the bridge,
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it would corrode and eventually
rust and fall into the Bay.
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Reading the Bible,
you may not know it,
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but it is changing you
and it has changed you.
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Heaven forbid you
could take a look at
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what you might be like
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if you had not
been reading the Bible.
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The Bible tells us
that as we read it,
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those principles that
teach us about God and holiness
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has a sanctifying
influence on our lives.
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And thy Word I've hid in
my heart that I might not sin.
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So there's all different
methods of reading the Bible.
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And how you should
do that, I don't know,
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but I'm sure Pastor
Ross could say the same.
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And I've been reading the
Bible through for 30 years now
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and I'm always at some point.
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There's only one day a
week I don't read the Bible
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and that's because
it's usually the Sabbath
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I'm preparing a message
00:20:59.12\00:21:00.72
so I don't do my
regular Bible reading.
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And I also use
the story in the Bible
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where the manna fell from
Heaven six days a week. (laughs)
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But none fell on Sabbath.
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So...
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And I just know so often
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the very thing I need
for that day is what I read.
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So I don't know
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if that's answering
what you're asking, Sherri.
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- [Sherri] Yeah, it does.
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I do always learn something
new when I'm reading it.
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I do.
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It's like every
time I go through it,
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it's like I'm
learning something different.
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I just don't want to be wrong.
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- You know, one
suggestion that I think of,
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I mean I've read
a lot of the Bible
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and you read those same
stories over and over again
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and there's value
just in reading the Bible.
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But one of the things
that's kind of fun to do is
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pick a passage of
scripture and read it.
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But then also you might
wanna get a good concordance
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and dig a little bit deeper.
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Instead of just
racing through the verse,
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look at the different words.
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I know one time I
really got into it,
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I looked up where these same
words in this particular verse
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was used elsewhere
in the New Testament
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and it added all
kinds of new insight
00:22:01.35\00:22:03.39
in the actual
meaning of that word
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when you look at
it in that context.
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So you can read the Bible
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but then there's also value
in actually studying the Bible.
00:22:07.89\00:22:10.53
And that's where
a good concordance
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or a good commentary can just
bring a lot of things to light
00:22:11.93\00:22:15.20
that you'd never thought
of before you hadn't seen.
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That's maybe
something to do as well.
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- So hope that helps
a little bit, Sherri.
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And you know, we have
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Next caller that we
have is Marvin in Canada.
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Marvin, welcome to the program.
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- [Marvin] Hello
guys. I'm happy to hear you.
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- Yes!
00:23:06.58\00:23:07.95
- [Marvin] My question
is about 2 Corinthians 3:6.
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And I just want to know
if you can explain me more
00:23:12.12\00:23:16.39
because I search by
myself, I try to understand,
00:23:16.39\00:23:19.49
but sometimes when Paul writes,
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it's sometimes
difficult to understand.
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- [Pastor Doug] Mm-hmm.
00:23:29.24\00:23:30.04
- [Marvin] So I just want to,
00:23:30.04\00:23:32.01
if you can explain
for me, 2 Corinthians 3:6.
00:23:32.01\00:23:36.04
- All right, I'll do my best.
00:23:36.04\00:23:37.78
Let's read that for our friends.
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Paul is saying,
he's talking about,
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the Spirit and not the letter.
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And he says here in verse six:
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Who also made us sufficient
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as ministers of
the new covenant,
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not of the letter
but of the Spirit.
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For the letter kills,
but the Spirit gives life.
00:23:51.23\00:23:54.46
And so if a person is focusing
00:23:54.46\00:23:57.43
on just the exterior
obedience of the law,
00:23:57.43\00:24:02.24
that kills because
there's no power in that.
00:24:02.24\00:24:05.71
Jesus talked about the law that
says do not commit adultery.
00:24:05.71\00:24:09.68
And He said, "Now
that's the letter of the law.
00:24:09.68\00:24:11.48
"But the spirit of the
law is do not look on a woman
00:24:11.48\00:24:14.38
"or a man and
lust in your heart."
00:24:14.38\00:24:17.02
He said that
would be the spirit.
00:24:17.02\00:24:18.52
It's not just the
action, it's the attitude.
00:24:18.52\00:24:21.52
The letter of the
law says, "Do not kill."
00:24:21.52\00:24:24.03
The spirit of the law says,
00:24:24.03\00:24:25.33
"Do not be angry with your
brother or sister without cause
00:24:25.33\00:24:28.53
"or you're guilty of murder."
00:24:28.53\00:24:30.53
The letter of the
law says, "Don't lie."
00:24:30.53\00:24:33.20
The spirit of
the law, Jesus said,
00:24:33.20\00:24:34.64
"Let your yes be
yes and your no be no
00:24:34.64\00:24:36.57
"and do not swear by
Heaven or anything else."
00:24:36.57\00:24:39.91
And so Christ brought out that
00:24:39.91\00:24:42.64
the true obedience is not
just observing the action,
00:24:42.64\00:24:47.72
it's an attitude in the heart.
00:24:48.52\00:24:50.45
And He said, "That's
where the real life comes from."
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Is that through love for God,
00:24:52.72\00:24:55.02
we want Him to change our hearts
00:24:55.02\00:24:57.13
so that we don't
long for those things.
00:24:57.13\00:24:59.26
We wanna do His will.
00:24:59.26\00:25:00.90
- And when it comes to
the apostles, especially Paul,
00:25:00.90\00:25:03.33
Paul didn't have the
permission, you might say,
00:25:03.33\00:25:07.10
or the approval of
the religious leaders,
00:25:07.10\00:25:10.31
the Jewish religious leaders,
00:25:10.31\00:25:12.27
because he didn't
follow their traditions.
00:25:12.27\00:25:14.81
He was motivated and
guided by the Spirit of God.
00:25:14.81\00:25:17.85
So when he went on
his missionary activity,
00:25:17.85\00:25:19.68
it wasn't as though he came
with letters of recommendation
00:25:19.68\00:25:22.38
from the religious
counsel in Jerusalem.
00:25:22.38\00:25:24.55
- [Pastor Doug] Right.
00:25:24.55\00:25:25.95
- He came moved by the Spirit
of God by that prophetic gift.
00:25:25.95\00:25:29.69
And Paul does mention that,
00:25:29.69\00:25:31.06
that God called him
along with the other apostles
00:25:31.06\00:25:32.93
to preach the gospel and
to bring the law into context,
00:25:32.93\00:25:36.67
the 10 Commandments and its
relationship to the new covenant
00:25:36.67\00:25:39.83
and not the traditions
and the ceremonial law
00:25:39.83\00:25:42.84
that the Jews are saying
00:25:42.84\00:25:43.87
even the Gentile
believers had to keep.
00:25:43.87\00:25:46.11
And that was the point
of controversy at the time.
00:25:46.11\00:25:48.51
- Yeah, so, so much of
what Jesus said, He said,
00:25:48.51\00:25:51.78
"Now don't think I've come
to destroy the law of Moses
00:25:51.78\00:25:55.38
"or the prophets.
00:25:55.38\00:25:56.45
"I didn't come to
destroy but fulfill."
00:25:56.45\00:25:58.42
He said, "Not
one jot or one tittle
00:25:58.42\00:26:00.42
"will in any ways pass from
the law until all is fulfilled."
00:26:00.42\00:26:04.23
And so Christ really came
to exalt and magnify the law,
00:26:04.23\00:26:07.86
showing not just what the letter
said but the spirit of it.
00:26:07.86\00:26:12.30
What the law does on the inside.
00:26:12.30\00:26:13.67
The old covenant is like
the law written on stone.
00:26:13.67\00:26:16.27
The new covenant is the
law written in the heart.
00:26:16.27\00:26:18.91
- We actually have a study
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00:26:39.43\00:26:41.96
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- My name is Jean Ross.
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And we have a number
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Mike, welcome to the program.
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- [Mike] Yes!
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- Yeah.
00:30:13.11\00:30:14.21
- [Mike] My question
is in Revelation 4:4,
00:30:14.21\00:30:16.41
it talks about the 24
elders who sit on the throne
00:30:17.71\00:30:21.18
or sit around the throne of God.
00:30:21.18\00:30:22.72
Who are the 24 elders?
00:30:22.72\00:30:25.62
- All right, great question.
00:30:25.62\00:30:27.09
You know, it doesn't
specify exactly who they are.
00:30:27.09\00:30:29.79
The first thing I'll mention
is the number indicates that
00:30:29.79\00:30:33.53
this is a position of leadership
00:30:33.53\00:30:36.60
because in the
Old Testament you had,
00:30:36.60\00:30:39.63
I think there were
like 24,000 soldiers
00:30:39.63\00:30:42.74
that attended Solomon
00:30:42.74\00:30:44.41
and there were like a set of 24
00:30:44.41\00:30:48.34
that served in the tabernacle
that were leading the music.
00:30:48.34\00:30:53.31
So you find a lot of
24s in 1 and 2 Samuel,
00:30:54.52\00:30:58.05
1 and 2 Chronicles that
were involved in leadership,
00:30:58.05\00:31:00.86
either in the army in a rotation
00:31:00.86\00:31:03.86
or in serving in the sanctuary.
00:31:03.86\00:31:07.13
And of course,
144,000 is 12 times 12.
00:31:07.13\00:31:10.83
Well, 12 times 12,000.
00:31:12.37\00:31:14.17
But so who are these
leaders around the throne?
00:31:14.17\00:31:17.41
Some have wondered,
00:31:17.41\00:31:18.51
"Well, are they
some of the people
00:31:18.51\00:31:19.84
"that were resurrected
around Jerusalem in Matthew 27?"
00:31:19.84\00:31:23.31
Or are they more like the people
00:31:23.31\00:31:26.41
that you find in the
Book of Job who, when it says,
00:31:26.41\00:31:29.42
the sons of God came to
present themselves to the Lord
00:31:29.42\00:31:32.72
and Satan came also
00:31:32.72\00:31:34.72
and God has got this
heavenly meeting going on,
00:31:34.72\00:31:37.83
it's not in Heaven.
00:31:37.83\00:31:39.83
Satan's been cast out of Heaven.
00:31:39.83\00:31:41.23
The Devil comes to this
council representing the Earth.
00:31:41.23\00:31:44.80
Some have
wondered if these 24 elders
00:31:44.80\00:31:46.60
represent leaders
of unfallen worlds
00:31:46.60\00:31:50.27
and they're called
sons of God because, well,
00:31:50.27\00:31:53.54
Adam was a leader of this world
00:31:53.54\00:31:54.84
and he was
called the son of God.
00:31:54.84\00:31:56.41
He was created, he wasn't born.
00:31:56.41\00:31:58.61
So I don't know. Pastor
Ross, what do you think?
00:31:58.61\00:32:00.78
- Yeah. We got a verse
here actually, Isaiah 24:23.
00:32:00.78\00:32:04.25
It says this:
00:32:04.25\00:32:05.62
The Moon will be disgraced
and the Sun shall be ashamed
00:32:05.62\00:32:08.12
for the Lord of
Hosts will reign on Zion
00:32:08.12\00:32:10.63
and in Jerusalem and
before His elders gloriously.
00:32:10.63\00:32:14.46
So it's interesting
00:32:14.46\00:32:15.53
we have a reference
here in the Old Testament.
00:32:15.53\00:32:16.80
It's talking about the elders.
00:32:16.80\00:32:18.13
Revelation 4 tells
us there's 24 of them
00:32:18.13\00:32:21.14
surrounding the throne.
00:32:21.14\00:32:22.80
It could very well be that
00:32:22.80\00:32:24.11
these are the representatives
of the unfallen worlds,
00:32:24.11\00:32:26.57
the sons of God that you
read about in the Book of Job.
00:32:26.57\00:32:29.81
And Satan came claiming to
be the representative of Earth.
00:32:29.81\00:32:33.38
And then you know
the story with Job.
00:32:33.38\00:32:34.82
So yeah,
00:32:34.82\00:32:36.02
I think they are representatives
of unfallen worlds.
00:32:36.02\00:32:38.92
- [Pastor Doug] Mm-hmm.
00:32:38.92\00:32:39.72
- It's interesting though.
00:32:39.72\00:32:40.82
The reason I mentioned
that is in Revelation 4,
00:32:40.82\00:32:42.59
you have a picture of
the heavenly throne room.
00:32:42.59\00:32:45.19
Jesus does not
appear until Revelation 5.
00:32:45.19\00:32:48.26
And so the 24
elders are there in Heaven
00:32:48.26\00:32:50.87
before Christ actually
officially ascends to Heaven,
00:32:50.87\00:32:54.70
and He begins His priestly work.
00:32:54.70\00:32:57.14
Whereas those
who are resurrected
00:32:57.14\00:32:58.64
at the time of
Christ's resurrection,
00:32:58.64\00:33:00.48
they accompany Jesus to Heaven.
00:33:00.48\00:33:02.61
- That was a good point.
00:33:02.61\00:33:03.71
- They'll be
waiting for Him in Heaven.
00:33:03.71\00:33:04.41
- Yeah.
00:33:04.41\00:33:05.21
- So it's maybe another reason
00:33:05.21\00:33:06.55
why we think the 24 elders
could be the representatives.
00:33:06.55\00:33:08.55
- Yep.
00:33:08.55\00:33:09.35
- Of these unfallen worlds.
00:33:09.35\00:33:10.02
- Heavenly leaders.
00:33:10.02\00:33:11.12
- All right,
well, thank you Mike.
00:33:11.12\00:33:12.99
We got Lois
listening from New York.
00:33:12.99\00:33:15.59
- [Pastor Doug] Luis.
00:33:15.59\00:33:16.56
- Is it Luis?
00:33:16.56\00:33:17.39
- [Pastor Doug] Yeah.
00:33:17.39\00:33:18.19
- Luis, welcome to the program.
00:33:18.19\00:33:19.53
- [Luis] Goodnight
Pastors. I hope you're all well.
00:33:19.53\00:33:22.10
- Evening.
00:33:22.10\00:33:23.20
- [Luis] My question is,
00:33:23.20\00:33:24.30
does the Bible
teach you how to preach?
00:33:24.30\00:33:26.53
Not in the sense of like
the preaching with our bodies,
00:33:27.90\00:33:32.44
but like the
preaching in a church?
00:33:33.41\00:33:36.31
Does that make sense?
00:33:36.31\00:33:37.15
- Yeah.
00:33:37.15\00:33:38.38
I think that the
Bible first gives you
00:33:38.38\00:33:40.48
examples of great
preachers that you look at
00:33:40.48\00:33:44.62
and it also tells you
what their content was.
00:33:44.62\00:33:47.59
So it's telling
you what to preach.
00:33:47.59\00:33:48.99
"You preach the
Word," is what Paul says.
00:33:48.99\00:33:51.59
And then you can look at the
example of how Peter preached,
00:33:51.59\00:33:55.10
how Philip
preached, how Paul preached.
00:33:55.10\00:33:58.73
And
00:33:58.73\00:33:59.53
it's like Paul says to Timothy,
00:34:01.34\00:34:02.80
"In season and out of season."
00:34:02.80\00:34:04.67
You might preach to one person
like Jesus sitting by a well
00:34:04.67\00:34:08.41
or like Nicodemus at night,
00:34:08.41\00:34:10.45
or you might preach to a
multitude on the hillside.
00:34:10.45\00:34:13.72
And it often starts small
with your preaching experience
00:34:13.72\00:34:17.75
and then it expands from there.
00:34:17.75\00:34:19.52
But preaching is not,
00:34:19.52\00:34:21.59
it doesn't have to be
a complicated science.
00:34:21.59\00:34:24.89
Preaching is
basically a form of teaching.
00:34:24.89\00:34:27.76
Now I'm not some people say
preaching is when you're ranting
00:34:27.76\00:34:30.17
and raving,
yelling and screaming,
00:34:30.17\00:34:31.53
jumping up and down and
I'm not that kind of preacher.
00:34:31.53\00:34:34.77
I like to teach more.
00:34:34.77\00:34:36.84
And evangelism I think
is a form of teaching too,
00:34:36.84\00:34:40.41
where you're really
appealing specifically
00:34:40.41\00:34:42.18
that people accept Christ.
00:34:42.18\00:34:43.38
You're sharing the good news.
00:34:43.38\00:34:45.15
So being pastors and preaching
is a gift of the Spirit
00:34:45.15\00:34:50.22
that God gives.
00:34:51.12\00:34:52.75
- And you do have a few verses
00:34:52.75\00:34:54.29
that speak about worshiping
in Spirit and in truth.
00:34:54.29\00:34:57.23
And I think
that's true of preaching.
00:34:57.23\00:34:58.63
You wanna preach the truth but
you want to preach in Spirit,
00:34:58.63\00:35:01.60
meaning that you
preach with conviction.
00:35:01.60\00:35:04.27
One of the things that
was said about Jesus is that
00:35:04.27\00:35:06.43
He spake not as the
scribes and Pharisees,
00:35:06.43\00:35:09.07
but He spake with authority.
00:35:09.07\00:35:10.37
In other words,
00:35:10.37\00:35:11.71
Jesus believed that what
He had to say was important
00:35:11.71\00:35:13.64
and that it was the
source of life, eternal life.
00:35:13.64\00:35:16.41
So if you wanna be
a powerful preacher,
00:35:16.41\00:35:18.21
you wanna make sure that
you believe what you are sharing
00:35:18.21\00:35:21.22
and you are living
what you're sharing.
00:35:21.22\00:35:23.02
And then you can
preach with Spirit and power
00:35:23.02\00:35:26.15
and the truth of God's Word.
00:35:26.15\00:35:27.99
- We've known a lot of
evangelists over the years
00:35:27.99\00:35:30.09
and some of them didn't
have a lot of formal training,
00:35:30.09\00:35:33.60
but they were very successful
00:35:33.60\00:35:34.93
because they were very
sincere and enthusiastic.
00:35:34.93\00:35:39.00
Who was it?
00:35:39.00\00:35:39.80
John Wesley would say that
00:35:39.80\00:35:40.94
he would pray that
the Lord would baptize him
00:35:40.94\00:35:44.44
in the kerosene
of the Holy Spirit
00:35:44.44\00:35:47.31
and then he'd
set himself on fire
00:35:47.31\00:35:50.01
and people would
come and watch him burn.
00:35:50.01\00:35:51.55
- Yeah.
00:35:51.55\00:35:52.38
- Something like that.
00:35:52.38\00:35:53.21
- Right. (laughs)
00:35:53.21\00:35:54.68
- So yeah.
00:35:54.68\00:35:55.72
- And there's
power in conviction.
00:35:55.72\00:35:57.29
- Yeah.
00:35:57.29\00:35:58.09
- And power in preaching.
00:35:58.09\00:35:58.89
Thank you for your call, Luis.
00:35:58.89\00:36:00.46
We've got Steve
listening in Canada.
00:36:00.46\00:36:02.56
Steve, welcome to the program.
00:36:02.56\00:36:04.13
- [Steve] Good evening Pastors.
00:36:05.16\00:36:06.26
Appreciate that you
took my call, like always.
00:36:06.26\00:36:09.66
- [Pastor Doug] Mm-hmm.
00:36:09.66\00:36:10.77
- [Steve] I would
like to know that Jesus,
00:36:10.77\00:36:12.30
40 days after
resurrection here on Earth
00:36:12.30\00:36:14.40
for Mary Magdala, Mary,
the disciples, obviously,
00:36:14.40\00:36:18.87
the Devil is not there
anymore in the scripture
00:36:20.28\00:36:24.81
because he's in the
resurrected, sinless,
00:36:24.81\00:36:28.58
like the fourth
place of the new Jerusalem,
00:36:28.58\00:36:31.72
the heavenly kingdom?
00:36:31.72\00:36:33.46
Then the Devil
is not part of it.
00:36:33.46\00:36:35.49
That's why he's not there?
00:36:35.49\00:36:37.59
That's why they
don't speak about that
00:36:37.59\00:36:38.99
because he had nothing to
do in the eternal life anymore?
00:36:38.99\00:36:43.13
He defeated the
Devil and He resurrected.
00:36:43.13\00:36:45.60
I assume that
would be the answer,
00:36:46.63\00:36:48.40
but I wondered
what do you think?
00:36:48.40\00:36:50.24
Thank you very much for
your answer and God bless you.
00:36:50.24\00:36:52.27
- Well, just, I wanna make
sure I understand your question.
00:36:52.27\00:36:55.21
You're saying the
Devil did not appear anymore
00:36:55.21\00:36:57.78
after the resurrection?
00:36:57.78\00:36:59.38
- To tempt Jesus, right?
00:36:59.38\00:37:00.85
Is that the
context you're mentioning?
00:37:00.85\00:37:03.45
- [Steve] Yes, yes,
yes. Absolutely. Yes.
00:37:03.45\00:37:04.79
- Yeah.
00:37:04.79\00:37:06.15
- [Steve] When He resurrect,
you know in the new body,
00:37:06.15\00:37:07.49
after on the cross, after three
days, that when He appeared,
00:37:07.49\00:37:12.16
He appeared for His
inside believers who believe,
00:37:12.16\00:37:15.13
He wanted to show
them that He's alive
00:37:15.13\00:37:19.07
and some had doubt.
00:37:19.07\00:37:20.40
But after the event on
the mission to preach the
00:37:20.40\00:37:23.67
truth the world, you know?
00:37:25.81\00:37:27.14
With that scene, right?
00:37:27.14\00:37:28.41
- Yeah.
00:37:28.41\00:37:29.51
- [Steve] Yeah.
00:37:29.51\00:37:30.31
- Well, the Devil, of course,
00:37:30.31\00:37:32.68
he's still alive and well as
they say here on Planet Earth.
00:37:34.05\00:37:37.42
And even after the resurrection,
00:37:37.42\00:37:39.75
Satan personally still very
involved in deceiving the world.
00:37:39.75\00:37:43.22
You can read in Revelation 12,
00:37:43.22\00:37:45.69
Satan has come
down with great wrath
00:37:45.69\00:37:47.86
'cause he knows
his time is short.
00:37:47.86\00:37:49.06
That's after the cross.
00:37:49.06\00:37:50.77
And Paul warns us that
00:37:50.77\00:37:52.33
we don't wrestle
against flesh and blood,
00:37:52.33\00:37:53.97
but principalities and power,
00:37:53.97\00:37:55.60
Satan being that chief power.
00:37:55.60\00:37:57.71
And I think Paul
says in 2 Corinthians 11,
00:37:57.71\00:38:00.21
"Satan himself is transformed
into an angel of light."
00:38:00.21\00:38:04.55
So the Devil's not
omnipresent, you know?
00:38:04.55\00:38:07.05
He focuses his attention
00:38:07.05\00:38:09.15
on probably special objects
of attack in the last days.
00:38:09.15\00:38:14.22
But yeah, even
after Jesus ascended,
00:38:15.29\00:38:17.63
Satan has, I think,
appeared at other times.
00:38:17.63\00:38:19.76
I think Satan, Martin Luther
says Satan appeared to him.
00:38:19.76\00:38:22.16
- That's right.
(Pastor Doug laughs)
00:38:22.16\00:38:23.26
You know, as far
as Jesus goes though
00:38:23.26\00:38:25.00
I think Christ
overcame him at the cross.
00:38:25.00\00:38:27.14
- [Pastor Doug] Right.
00:38:28.04\00:38:29.40
- And Satan lost the
battle with reference to Christ.
00:38:29.40\00:38:30.07
Revelation 12 says:
00:38:30.07\00:38:32.04
The man-child was caught
up to God and to His throne.
00:38:32.04\00:38:34.34
So that's talking
about the resurrection
00:38:34.34\00:38:35.88
and Christ ascending to Heaven.
00:38:35.88\00:38:37.38
But then he turns his fury
against the woman or the church.
00:38:37.38\00:38:40.45
Of course, the Devil has
been persecuting the church
00:38:40.45\00:38:42.65
throughout the ages.
00:38:42.65\00:38:44.62
But of course, when we
get our glorified bodies
00:38:44.62\00:38:47.09
and Jesus comes the second time,
00:38:47.09\00:38:48.86
we are delivered from the Devil.
00:38:48.86\00:38:50.76
- [Pastor Doug] Yeah.
00:38:50.76\00:38:51.56
- And he can't tempt us anymore.
00:38:51.56\00:38:52.59
All right.
00:38:53.63\00:38:54.96
Next caller that we have is
Kendy listening from Florida.
00:38:54.96\00:38:56.77
Kendy, welcome to the program.
00:38:56.77\00:38:59.07
- [Kendy] Hi
Pastors. How are you both?
00:38:59.07\00:39:00.77
- Hi. Good.
00:39:00.77\00:39:02.37
- So my quick question is,
00:39:02.37\00:39:04.34
I've been putting a little bit
difficult lately when praying
00:39:04.34\00:39:07.14
sometime not only focusing
00:39:07.14\00:39:08.51
but as far as who should
we pray to as far as like
00:39:08.51\00:39:11.01
should I pray to?
00:39:11.01\00:39:12.05
You know, I believe it said:
00:39:12.05\00:39:13.42
Pray to the Father, pray to
your Father which is in Heaven
00:39:13.42\00:39:15.88
in the name of Jesus.
00:39:15.88\00:39:17.02
Could you
clarify that a little bit
00:39:17.02\00:39:18.15
and how to kinda like avoid
00:39:18.15\00:39:19.52
or kinda like take away that
spirit of confusion, I guess?
00:39:19.52\00:39:23.46
I'd appreciate it. Thank you.
00:39:23.46\00:39:24.63
- Yeah.
00:39:24.63\00:39:26.13
Typically in the
Bible you'll find that
00:39:26.13\00:39:28.90
they prayed to God the
Father in the name of Christ.
00:39:28.90\00:39:31.90
I'm speaking of
New Testament times.
00:39:31.90\00:39:33.44
They would pray to God
directly in the Old Testament.
00:39:33.44\00:39:38.14
But we know better
in the New Testament
00:39:38.14\00:39:39.97
that we're praying
in the name of Christ
00:39:39.97\00:39:42.18
'cause He's our mediator,
He's the Messiah, the anointed.
00:39:42.18\00:39:45.08
There are a couple of occasions
00:39:46.18\00:39:48.32
where you see
someone praying to Jesus.
00:39:48.32\00:39:51.02
There's certainly
nothing wrong or sinful.
00:39:51.02\00:39:53.29
The only times I can think of is
00:39:53.29\00:39:55.96
when Stephen is
being stoned, he says,
00:39:55.96\00:39:58.33
"Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."
00:39:58.33\00:40:01.00
And so that's a
prayer directed to Jesus.
00:40:01.00\00:40:03.06
Then of course
the New Testament,
00:40:03.06\00:40:04.17
the last words in
the New Testament, says:
00:40:04.17\00:40:06.57
Even so, come Lord Jesus.
00:40:06.57\00:40:08.60
It's an appeal to Jesus.
00:40:08.60\00:40:10.21
And then it says, "Amen."
00:40:10.21\00:40:12.14
So there may be other
places I'm not thinking of,
00:40:12.14\00:40:14.91
but generally they
pray to the Father.
00:40:14.91\00:40:17.85
But keep in mind Jesus
is sometimes called, like in
00:40:19.21\00:40:22.55
Isaiah, the Everlasting Father,
00:40:22.55\00:40:23.69
'cause all
things were made by Him.
00:40:23.69\00:40:25.89
- You know,
sometimes the idea is that
00:40:25.89\00:40:28.12
Jesus loves us
and understands us
00:40:28.12\00:40:29.92
a little better than the Father
00:40:29.92\00:40:31.33
and so you wanna pray to Jesus
if you really want something.
00:40:31.33\00:40:35.00
But Christ Himself
said, "The Father loves you."
00:40:35.00\00:40:37.33
And that you can come
directly to the Father
00:40:37.33\00:40:39.50
in the name of Jesus.
00:40:39.50\00:40:40.87
But the Father
loves the world so much
00:40:40.87\00:40:43.20
that He gave His
only begotten Son.
00:40:43.20\00:40:45.61
You know, you get the idea that
00:40:45.61\00:40:46.81
somehow the
Father's the angry God,
00:40:46.81\00:40:48.58
Jesus is the compassionate God.
00:40:48.58\00:40:50.05
And so you wanna try
and get Him on your side.
00:40:50.05\00:40:53.05
But you can go directly
through Christ to the Father.
00:40:53.05\00:40:55.98
- [Pastor Doug] Right.
00:40:55.98\00:40:57.45
- Because of Christ's
sacrifice and He accepts us.
00:40:57.45\00:40:58.95
- Yep. Good point.
00:40:58.95\00:41:00.39
- All right.
Thank you for your call.
00:41:00.39\00:41:01.69
We've got Philip
listening in Florida as well.
00:41:01.69\00:41:03.89
Philip, welcome to the program.
00:41:03.89\00:41:05.53
- [Philip] Hi.
00:41:06.49\00:41:08.00
In Joshua 20:2 and 3,
00:41:08.00\00:41:12.67
and they're dividing
up the land that says
00:41:12.67\00:41:16.47
they should set
up cities of refuge
00:41:16.47\00:41:19.87
so that somebody
kills somebody accidentally,
00:41:19.87\00:41:22.84
they could run to
these cities of refuge
00:41:22.84\00:41:25.91
before the avenger
of blood catches them.
00:41:25.91\00:41:30.05
- [Pastor Doug] Right.
00:41:30.05\00:41:31.12
- [Philip] Who is
the avenger of blood?
00:41:31.12\00:41:32.39
- Well, they use an example
00:41:32.39\00:41:34.69
that two men are
out in the woods,
00:41:34.69\00:41:36.76
and it just uses one
example that I know of,
00:41:36.76\00:41:38.56
two men are out in the woods
00:41:38.56\00:41:39.89
and they're chopping wood
together and they're friends.
00:41:39.89\00:41:42.16
And the ax head has
not been secured to the ax.
00:41:42.16\00:41:45.30
And while swinging the
ax, the ax head flies off.
00:41:45.30\00:41:48.14
I've had that experience before.
00:41:48.14\00:41:49.74
Fortunately, nobody got hurt.
00:41:49.74\00:41:51.61
But it flies off
and a person is killed.
00:41:51.61\00:41:54.11
In other words,
there's an accidental killing.
00:41:54.11\00:41:57.01
Well, the family
shows up and they thought,
00:41:57.01\00:41:58.51
"Oh, maybe you
guys had an argument.
00:41:58.51\00:42:00.08
"You killed our husband,
our brother," whoever it is.
00:42:00.08\00:42:03.15
The family is called
the avenger of blood.
00:42:03.15\00:42:05.65
And so when there's
been an accidental murder,
00:42:05.65\00:42:08.62
two men are out there and
they're riding their oxcart
00:42:08.62\00:42:10.83
and plowing and one man
gets trampled and killed
00:42:10.83\00:42:13.46
and someone says, "Oh,
this was done deliberately
00:42:13.46\00:42:15.50
"or it was negligent,"
00:42:15.50\00:42:16.77
and they want to take vengeance
on the party who really,
00:42:16.77\00:42:19.93
it was not premeditated,
it was an accident.
00:42:19.93\00:42:22.77
They are called
the avenger of blood.
00:42:22.77\00:42:24.07
They're the family that,
usually it's a firstborn son,
00:42:24.07\00:42:28.11
but they're the
family that has the right
00:42:28.11\00:42:29.88
to kill this person.
00:42:29.88\00:42:32.31
I think there's a
story where a woman of Tekoa
00:42:33.42\00:42:37.02
brings an example to David.
00:42:37.02\00:42:38.42
She had two sons fighting
and one killed the other.
00:42:38.42\00:42:41.62
And the family's now saying,
00:42:41.62\00:42:42.89
"You gotta turn over the
guilty son so we can kill him."
00:42:42.89\00:42:45.63
She said, "Oh
please, I'm a widow.
00:42:45.63\00:42:47.00
"You'll take my only son."
00:42:47.00\00:42:48.96
So family members
have the right then
00:42:48.96\00:42:51.20
to execute someone
who had been murdered.
00:42:51.20\00:42:54.54
But if they get
to a city of refuge,
00:42:54.54\00:42:56.14
they were protected
from the avenger of blood,
00:42:56.14\00:42:58.81
the family leader
of the offended party.
00:42:58.81\00:43:02.91
I don't know.
00:43:02.91\00:43:03.71
Hopefully that makes sense.
00:43:03.71\00:43:05.05
- There'd still be a trial
that would take place, you know?
00:43:05.05\00:43:06.35
It didn't mean that if
somebody did it deliberately
00:43:06.35\00:43:09.15
that they'd be off the hook.
00:43:09.15\00:43:10.29
But they could go
to the city of refuge,
00:43:10.29\00:43:11.92
they'd have a trial
and then it would determine
00:43:11.92\00:43:13.66
their innocence or
their guilt at that point.
00:43:13.66\00:43:16.09
All right.
00:43:16.09\00:43:17.19
Well, thank you
for your call, Philip.
00:43:17.19\00:43:18.56
We've got, let's see,
Thomas is listening in Oklahoma.
00:43:18.56\00:43:20.80
Thomas, welcome to the program.
00:43:20.80\00:43:22.83
- [Thomas] I wanna
know the Revelation 19:10
00:43:22.83\00:43:27.90
what's it mean?
00:43:28.44\00:43:30.04
And I fell at his
feet to worship him
00:43:30.04\00:43:35.11
and he say unto
me, "See that do not.
00:43:36.21\00:43:40.22
"I am the fellow servant
00:43:41.22\00:43:43.52
"and of the brother
00:43:45.85\00:43:47.52
"so they have the
testimony of Jesus.
00:43:47.52\00:43:50.46
"Worship God for the
testimony of Jesus is the Spirit
00:43:50.46\00:43:55.16
"or the prophecy."
00:43:55.16\00:43:56.53
What's it mean to
testimony of Jesus
00:43:56.53\00:43:59.10
in the Spirit or the prophecy?
00:43:59.10\00:44:00.90
- Okay, good question.
00:44:00.90\00:44:02.80
If you look in
Revelation 12:17, it says:
00:44:02.80\00:44:05.91
The dragon, the Devil,
was wroth with a woman.
00:44:05.91\00:44:09.01
And he goes to make war
with a remnant of her seed
00:44:09.01\00:44:11.78
that keep the
commandments of God
00:44:11.78\00:44:14.28
and have the testimony of Jesus.
00:44:14.28\00:44:16.89
The commandments
and the testimony
00:44:16.89\00:44:19.02
is a theme that
runs through the Bible.
00:44:19.02\00:44:21.26
It simply means the
law and the prophets.
00:44:21.26\00:44:24.39
The testimony of the prophets
is what it's talking about.
00:44:25.76\00:44:28.73
And if you look in, I
think it's Isaiah 8:16, it says:
00:44:28.73\00:44:32.63
Bind up the testimony,
seal the law among my disciples.
00:44:32.63\00:44:37.54
And then if you look
in Isaiah 8:20, it says:
00:44:37.54\00:44:40.48
According to the
law and the testimony,
00:44:40.48\00:44:42.64
if they speak not
according to this Word,
00:44:42.64\00:44:44.28
there's no light in them.
00:44:44.28\00:44:46.05
The last verses
in the Old Testament:
00:44:46.05\00:44:48.68
Remember the law of Moses.
00:44:48.68\00:44:51.05
I send you Elijah, the prophet.
00:44:51.05\00:44:52.89
The law and the prophets,
00:44:52.89\00:44:54.42
the commandments
and the testimony.
00:44:54.42\00:44:56.49
So when it says
the testimony of Jesus,
00:44:56.49\00:44:58.69
the Spirit of prophecy or the
Spirit that led the prophets,
00:44:58.69\00:45:02.80
and so I was talking
about the Word of God.
00:45:02.80\00:45:05.33
- Mm-hmm.
00:45:05.33\00:45:06.67
You also have John who
wrote the Book of Revelation.
00:45:06.67\00:45:08.47
Obviously, he was a prophet.
He had the gift of prophecy.
00:45:08.47\00:45:11.21
And in John 1, he speaks
about, actually verse two,
00:45:11.21\00:45:15.04
speaking of himself, he
bore witness of the Word of God
00:45:15.04\00:45:17.61
and the testimony of
Jesus to all things that he saw.
00:45:17.61\00:45:20.92
So John had the
spirit of prophecy
00:45:20.92\00:45:22.62
and he refers to that
as the testimony of Jesus.
00:45:22.62\00:45:25.22
Jesus communicates to the
prophets through the Spirit.
00:45:25.22\00:45:28.52
- [Pastor Doug]
Yeah. Good point.
00:45:28.52\00:45:29.89
- And that's His will. That's
His testimony that goes out.
00:45:29.89\00:45:31.63
- I never made that
connection before. Thank you.
00:45:31.63\00:45:33.80
- Yeah, you're welcome. (laughs)
00:45:33.80\00:45:34.93
- I learn. I'm glad
I come to this program.
00:45:34.93\00:45:36.67
- You learn something
new every time, right?
00:45:36.67\00:45:38.47
We all do.
00:45:38.47\00:45:39.73
Okay, well, thanks
for your call, Thomas.
00:45:39.73\00:45:41.67
Let's see, we got Carol
listening in California.
00:45:41.67\00:45:43.87
Carol, welcome to the program.
00:45:43.87\00:45:45.71
- [Carol] Yes.
00:45:45.71\00:45:47.08
My question is going back
to the lesson for Thursday,
00:45:47.08\00:45:51.08
November 3.
00:45:51.08\00:45:52.18
I just wanted to
clarify regarding.
00:45:52.18\00:45:54.92
It says here:
00:45:55.82\00:45:56.92
Christ did not die
just a natural death
00:45:56.92\00:46:00.32
that every human
being has to face.
00:46:00.32\00:46:03.83
He died the second death.
00:46:03.83\00:46:05.86
If you could just
elaborate or explain further.
00:46:05.86\00:46:09.13
What does it mean that
He died the second death
00:46:09.13\00:46:12.83
so that all those who accept Him
00:46:12.83\00:46:15.07
will never have to
experience it for themselves?
00:46:15.07\00:46:19.71
I just wanna have a
better understanding.
00:46:19.71\00:46:23.01
- Yeah, thank you.
00:46:23.01\00:46:24.35
And I think our question
is referring to a lesson in
00:46:24.35\00:46:27.95
what they call a
Sabbath School Quarterly.
00:46:27.95\00:46:29.58
It's a quarterly lesson.
00:46:29.58\00:46:31.42
And so this is not
a text of scripture,
00:46:31.42\00:46:33.46
but the principle is true.
00:46:33.46\00:46:35.29
And it's simply when you
look in Revelation 20, it says:
00:46:35.29\00:46:38.66
The wicked are
cast in the Lake of Fire
00:46:38.66\00:46:41.23
and this is the second death.
00:46:41.23\00:46:42.50
The wicked face
00:46:42.50\00:46:43.80
the death from which
there is no resurrection.
00:46:43.80\00:46:45.50
It is a hopeless, eternal death.
00:46:45.50\00:46:48.60
And so of course
they're cast in the Lake of Fire
00:46:48.60\00:46:51.61
and everyone's punished
00:46:51.61\00:46:52.71
according to what
they deserve there.
00:46:52.71\00:46:54.61
Jesus, when He
went to the cross,
00:46:54.61\00:46:57.91
He did not experience the
death a person, a believer, has
00:46:57.91\00:47:02.25
where they got hope and peace.
00:47:02.25\00:47:03.82
Jesus was
experiencing the death,
00:47:03.82\00:47:06.25
the second death
that the lost experience.
00:47:06.25\00:47:09.89
And so He just had all
the will, all the guilt
00:47:09.89\00:47:13.53
and the shame of the whole
world resting on His shoulders.
00:47:13.53\00:47:17.77
He took that in our behalf
00:47:18.57\00:47:21.17
so we don't have to
experience the second death.
00:47:21.17\00:47:24.04
So I think, again,
I'm answering a question
00:47:24.04\00:47:26.91
that's posed in the
Sabbath School Quarterly.
00:47:26.91\00:47:29.81
Some people call them
Sunday School lessons,
00:47:29.81\00:47:31.48
but we keep the Sabbath,
00:47:31.48\00:47:32.85
so we call them
Sabbath School Quarterlies.
00:47:32.85\00:47:34.72
But it's not
actually taken from scripture
00:47:34.72\00:47:37.59
but the principles there.
00:47:37.59\00:47:38.85
- Mm-hmm.
00:47:38.85\00:47:39.95
Now, there is a
little difference
00:47:39.95\00:47:41.09
between what Christ
died and what the wicked die
00:47:41.09\00:47:44.49
in that Jesus did
rise from the dead.
00:47:44.49\00:47:46.39
- Right. They don't.
00:47:46.39\00:47:47.50
- But those who
die the second death,
00:47:47.50\00:47:48.56
there's no hope
of a resurrection.
00:47:48.56\00:47:49.10
- No. Yeah.
00:47:49.10\00:47:49.90
But when He was facing it,
00:47:49.90\00:47:51.27
He felt the separation
from God that the wicked feel.
00:47:51.27\00:47:54.47
- That's right.
00:47:54.47\00:47:55.30
And bore our guilt.
00:47:55.30\00:47:56.14
- Yeah.
00:47:56.14\00:47:57.44
- All right. Well,
thanks. Good question Carol.
00:47:57.44\00:47:58.47
We've got Carla
listening in Missouri.
00:47:58.47\00:48:01.34
Carla, welcome to the program.
00:48:01.34\00:48:03.58
- [Carla] Hi.
00:48:03.58\00:48:05.01
- Hi.
00:48:05.01\00:48:05.91
- [Carla] I wanna thank
you Pastor Doug and Pastor Ross
00:48:07.32\00:48:09.82
for all the Amazing
Facts does for prisoners.
00:48:09.82\00:48:12.42
My husband's been doing a prison
ministry for over 20 years
00:48:12.42\00:48:15.52
and about six years ago I was
able to start going with him.
00:48:15.52\00:48:19.36
And these guys get up like
at five o'clock in the morning
00:48:19.36\00:48:21.86
just to listen to Amazing Facts.
00:48:21.86\00:48:23.57
But one of them had
a question and I said,
00:48:23.57\00:48:25.70
"I'm gonna call
'Amazing Facts Answers Live'
00:48:25.70\00:48:27.90
"and ask your question for you."
00:48:27.90\00:48:29.37
And they were so excited.
00:48:29.37\00:48:30.54
- Oh good.
00:48:30.54\00:48:31.64
- So his question is,
on the Day of Atonement,
00:48:31.64\00:48:34.48
when the High Priest
was in the Holy of Holies
00:48:34.48\00:48:38.41
and everyone was
supposed to be repentant,
00:48:38.41\00:48:40.45
was everyone always repentant?
00:48:40.45\00:48:42.28
And what happened?
00:48:42.28\00:48:43.69
Or did it ever happen
that everyone wasn't repentant
00:48:43.69\00:48:46.52
and the High Priest died?
00:48:46.52\00:48:47.96
- Yeah.
00:48:49.19\00:48:50.29
Well, I don't think
it says anywhere that
00:48:50.29\00:48:51.69
if there were some people that
were not sincerely repenting,
00:48:51.69\00:48:54.13
the High Priest would die.
00:48:54.13\00:48:55.73
Because if you got a nation
with a couple of million people,
00:48:55.73\00:48:58.17
there's probably some that
are not sincerely repenting.
00:48:58.17\00:49:01.40
But he was to
intercede for the people.
00:49:01.40\00:49:03.37
And even like the
intercession of Jesus
00:49:03.37\00:49:06.24
now as our High Priest,
there are some that are sincere,
00:49:06.24\00:49:09.68
that are there
by faith with Him,
00:49:09.68\00:49:11.08
they're repenting of
their sins and wanting victory.
00:49:11.08\00:49:13.88
And there are some who
are going through the motions.
00:49:13.88\00:49:16.45
So because Jesus had
a Judas in His group,
00:49:16.45\00:49:21.22
Jesus didn't die
00:49:21.22\00:49:22.62
because there was one person
there that didn't believe.
00:49:23.99\00:49:27.83
So I don't know
if I said that right.
00:49:27.83\00:49:29.86
But help me make sense.
00:49:29.86\00:49:32.40
- Yeah, just to add to
that a little bit, Pastor Doug.
00:49:32.40\00:49:34.90
It's interesting
when you look at that,
00:49:34.90\00:49:36.47
that on the Day of Atonement,
if the High Priest didn't,
00:49:36.47\00:49:40.78
before he went in
representing the people,
00:49:40.78\00:49:42.64
he'd have to do a
sacrifice for himself.
00:49:42.64\00:49:45.41
If the High Priest was
harboring sin in his heart,
00:49:45.41\00:49:47.75
there was the potential
that he could be striked down.
00:49:47.75\00:49:49.55
- [Pastor Doug] Right.
00:49:49.55\00:49:50.92
- I don't think we have any
record of that ever happening.
00:49:50.92\00:49:52.42
- Yeah, the closest is Eli.
00:49:52.42\00:49:54.46
He kind of gets a
judgment afterward.
00:49:54.46\00:49:56.83
- Yes. On his sons
because of their wickedness.
00:49:56.83\00:49:58.09
- And then he dies
when the ark is taken.
00:49:58.09\00:50:00.83
But yeah, that's true.
00:50:00.83\00:50:03.26
And then not only
did they have to do
00:50:04.37\00:50:05.70
a sacrifice for themselves,
00:50:05.70\00:50:06.77
they had to wash,
put on fresh garments,
00:50:06.77\00:50:08.84
and so they had to go
in like they were pure.
00:50:08.84\00:50:10.81
- [Pastor Ross] Mm-hmm.
00:50:10.81\00:50:11.91
- But I'm
thinking about Zachariah
00:50:11.91\00:50:12.94
when he was in the
temple kinda interceding
00:50:12.94\00:50:15.38
and he was struck dumb because
he didn't believe the angel.
00:50:15.38\00:50:18.58
- That's right.
00:50:18.58\00:50:19.65
- And so, but you
know, God's merciful.
00:50:19.65\00:50:21.45
- Yep. Absolutely.
00:50:21.45\00:50:22.72
All right.
Well, thank you Carla.
00:50:22.72\00:50:24.12
Hope that helps.
00:50:24.12\00:50:25.12
We've got Ken
listening from California.
00:50:25.12\00:50:27.59
Ken, welcome to the program.
00:50:27.59\00:50:29.06
- [Ken] Hello Pastors.
Good to speak with you.
00:50:30.56\00:50:33.29
My question
concerns Isaiah 66:24.
00:50:34.30\00:50:38.73
I know that fire
comes down from Heaven
00:50:39.87\00:50:44.07
to destroy Satan and his angels
and those who followed him.
00:50:44.07\00:50:49.04
But Isaiah 66:24 says that
00:50:49.94\00:50:52.68
they will look upon
the corpses of the men
00:50:52.68\00:50:55.88
who have
transgressed against God.
00:50:55.88\00:50:58.52
And I'm confused as
to how this coincides,
00:50:58.52\00:51:03.49
the two pieces
coincide together.
00:51:04.56\00:51:05.99
Can you explain that for me?
00:51:05.99\00:51:07.66
- Yeah.
00:51:08.60\00:51:09.93
Well, ultimately, first of
all, let's assume the absurd.
00:51:09.93\00:51:12.63
Let's assume this means
that after God makes a new Earth
00:51:12.63\00:51:16.77
and we go forth
from the new Jerusalem,
00:51:16.77\00:51:19.31
that we're gonna be surrounded
with a morgue of corpses
00:51:19.31\00:51:22.98
that are being eaten by worms
00:51:22.98\00:51:25.88
and smoldering with fire.
00:51:25.88\00:51:28.22
Clearly that's not
the Heaven anybody sees
00:51:29.32\00:51:32.55
anywhere else in the Bible.
00:51:32.55\00:51:34.46
If you look in
Malachi, it says in Malachi 4:
00:51:34.46\00:51:38.59
They shall go forth
and tread upon the wicked
00:51:38.59\00:51:41.23
for they are ashes
under the souls of their feet.
00:51:41.23\00:51:44.40
And of course, Jesus said,
00:51:44.40\00:51:45.90
"Blessed are the meek,
they will inherit the Earth."
00:51:45.90\00:51:47.97
Christ is actually
quoting the Old Testament
00:51:47.97\00:51:49.84
when He says that.
00:51:49.84\00:51:51.31
So I think that Isaiah
uses a lot of poetic terms,
00:51:51.31\00:51:54.84
especially in
that last two chapters.
00:51:54.84\00:51:56.61
He uses a lot of analogies.
00:51:56.61\00:51:59.55
On the ashes of the
wicked who have been consumed,
00:51:59.55\00:52:03.49
the fire was not quenched and
they have been eaten by worms.
00:52:03.49\00:52:07.29
What happens when worms eat
00:52:07.29\00:52:09.06
and completely
consume something?
00:52:10.26\00:52:11.73
It turns back into
the elements of Earth.
00:52:11.73\00:52:14.10
God is gonna create a
new Heavens and a new Earth.
00:52:14.10\00:52:17.33
And you know, if we
could see the history of
00:52:17.33\00:52:19.93
all the soil
underneath the farms,
00:52:19.93\00:52:21.60
it would be pretty scary how
that soil got there. (laughs)
00:52:21.60\00:52:25.87
But so I think
he's just, it says:
00:52:25.87\00:52:29.71
In the new world
you're gonna see,
00:52:29.71\00:52:31.48
you're gonna go out and
you're gonna look and say,
00:52:31.48\00:52:32.88
"This is what became of those
who persecuted God's people."
00:52:32.88\00:52:36.25
But no,
00:52:37.59\00:52:38.95
we're not gonna sit on the
walls of the new Jerusalem,
00:52:38.95\00:52:40.42
eat popcorn and
watch the wicked burn.
00:52:40.42\00:52:42.69
- Mm-hmm.
00:52:42.69\00:52:44.09
I think also the reference
there where it talks about
00:52:44.09\00:52:46.29
the worm and the
fires not quenched.
00:52:46.29\00:52:48.46
You know, that has to do
somewhat with the sort of the
00:52:48.46\00:52:51.53
dump where they
would throw refuge.
00:52:51.53\00:52:53.03
- [Pastor Doug] Gehenna.
00:52:53.03\00:52:54.57
- And it's illustrating
the point that the wicked,
00:52:54.57\00:52:57.07
they will be destroyed,
00:52:57.07\00:52:58.07
they'll have no value,
00:52:58.07\00:52:59.17
they'll never live again,
00:52:59.17\00:53:00.71
they'll be considered as
something you throw out as
00:53:00.71\00:53:04.78
waste. Not that it's speaking
specifically here about worms
00:53:04.78\00:53:07.25
that live
eternally gobbling on flesh,
00:53:07.25\00:53:09.82
just like what you say.
00:53:09.82\00:53:10.92
It's symbolic.
00:53:10.92\00:53:11.75
- Yeah.
00:53:11.75\00:53:12.89
I think Christ refers
to this when He talks about
00:53:12.89\00:53:15.82
the punishment of the wicked.
00:53:15.82\00:53:16.96
He says, "They'll
be thrown to Gehenna."
00:53:16.96\00:53:18.89
That was a Valley of Hinnom,
00:53:18.89\00:53:20.60
which was the city
dump outside Jerusalem.
00:53:20.60\00:53:22.80
And He said, "Where
the worm does not die.
00:53:22.80\00:53:25.10
- [Both] "And the
fire's not quenched."
00:53:25.10\00:53:26.74
- So I think Christ is
referring back to Isaiah 66.
00:53:26.74\00:53:30.17
- And just one more
quick symbol on that.
00:53:30.17\00:53:31.77
When it talks about the
distraction of the wicked
00:53:31.77\00:53:33.34
you read about in Revelation,
00:53:33.34\00:53:34.81
it talks about
calling the birds to come
00:53:34.81\00:53:37.11
and they're gonna
have a great feast
00:53:37.11\00:53:39.01
and they're gonna feast on
the flesh of the dead people.
00:53:39.01\00:53:42.65
And even talks
about horses and so on.
00:53:42.65\00:53:44.55
Again, it's symbolic.
00:53:44.55\00:53:45.65
It's talking
about a great battle.
00:53:45.65\00:53:47.09
- [Pastor Doug] Yeah.
00:53:47.09\00:53:47.89
- And the army is defeated
00:53:47.89\00:53:49.22
and it's talking about the
wicked being utterly destroyed
00:53:49.22\00:53:51.43
when that time comes.
00:53:51.43\00:53:52.73
- And I think we have
a lesson that talks about
00:53:52.73\00:53:55.30
"Is the Devil
in Charge of Hell?"
00:53:58.47\00:53:59.90
- [Pastor Ross] Mm-hmm.
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- And it goes into
some of these verses
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that are difficult passages.
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For anybody out there,
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if you wanna better understand
what the Bible teaches
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on the subject of the
punishment of the wicked,
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we have a lesson called, "Is
the Devil in Charge of Hell?"
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- The number to call for
that is just 800-835-6747.
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And as Pastor Doug mentioned,
the study guide is called,
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"Is the Devil
in Charge of Hell?"
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And just filled with all
kinds of wonderful Bible verses.
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You know, Pastor
Doug, it's interesting.
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Hell is actually good news
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when you look at it
from what the Bible says.
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It's not an
eternal burning chamber
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where the wicked are gonna
suffer throughout all eternity,
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it is a
destruction of the wicked.
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There is punishment,
but it's good news in that
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God's gonna create a
new Heavens and a new Earth
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wherein dwells righteousness.
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- It's an incinerator
that purifies the Earth.
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And by the way, if you
would like that lesson,
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you've got a mobile
phone, you can just text us.
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I think they text pound 250
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and you can get that lesson on,
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"Is the Devil
in Charge of Hell?"
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Now Pastor Ross, as
we've mentioned before,
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And Pastor Doug,
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we're gonna see how many of
these questions we can answer.
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So Holly from
Michigan is asking,
00:55:54.28\00:55:55.95
"Does God truly create
some people to be saved?
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"And I guess by default
some people to be lost?"
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- Well, the Bible tells us that
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God is not willing
that any should perish.
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And if God created
some people and said,
00:56:06.53\00:56:09.56
"I predetermined I'm
gonna make some creatures
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"and I'm gonna make
them so that they will sin
00:56:12.20\00:56:14.67
"and they will be lost
and then I'll punish them
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"for doing what
I made them to do."
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Well, you think about
that, that's kind of outrageous.
00:56:20.34\00:56:22.11
It would almost make
God an accomplice to sin
00:56:22.11\00:56:26.28
that He's creating these
people that have no option
00:56:26.28\00:56:28.28
but to sin
00:56:28.28\00:56:29.08
and then He's gonna punish them
00:56:29.08\00:56:30.19
for doing what
they've been created to do.
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No.
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Folks I think are confusing
some passages in the Bible.
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The Bible says God is
not willing that any perish.
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Again, in Timothy, Paul says,
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"God who would have
all men to be saved."
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And then the Bible closes
with an invitation saying:
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Whosoever will,
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let him come and take
the water of life freely.
00:56:51.34\00:56:53.58
So people do
have a choice to come
00:56:53.58\00:56:56.01
and take that water of life.
00:56:56.01\00:56:57.45
- Okay, another
question that we have.
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Renny's asking,
"In Matthew 16:19,
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"it talks about the
keys of the kingdom.
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"What are the
keys of the kingdom?"
00:57:04.12\00:57:05.92
- Well, when we
share the gospel,
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we are sharing the
door to eternal life.
00:57:09.79\00:57:12.99
So you're giving people the
keys to get into that kingdom.
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Talks about Jesus
has the key of David.
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And I think where is it?
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In Isaiah it says:
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And the key, the
government was on his shoulder.
00:57:25.24\00:57:27.01
They used to keep a
key on their shoulder
00:57:27.01\00:57:28.41
and that was a
symbol of authority.
00:57:28.41\00:57:30.05
So it's basically saying that
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you've got the avenue
of truth with the keys.
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- Which is the gospel.
00:57:35.02\00:57:35.92
- Right.
00:57:35.92\00:57:36.75
- Being preached.
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Okay, last
question that we have here.
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Let's see.
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We've got Larry asking,
00:57:39.99\00:57:41.66
"Are there unfallen worlds
00:57:41.66\00:57:43.19
"and did they exist
before the creation of Earth?"
00:57:43.19\00:57:46.49
- We know He has angels
that He made before the world.
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But you can read in Hebrews,
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I believe it's in chapter
two, the first verse, it says:
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God through
Christ made the worlds,
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and it's plural there.
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And Revelation talks about
all the creatures in Heaven
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that are praising Him.
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So we do believe there
are unfallen, sinless worlds.
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