Let's bow our heads for prayer.
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Our loving heavenly Father,
what a joy it is to be in
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Your presence today.
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We thank You
Father for Your Holy Word,
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because it's a sure guide in a
world that doesn't know where to
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turn; in a world that's
confused about Bible prophecy.
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We ask, Father, that You will
open our understanding today
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that we might be able to
comprehend about the beast
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that rises from the earth.
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I ask, Lord, that You
will remove preconceived
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notions from our minds,
and You will help us only
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to hear Your voice.
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And we thank You
for hearing our prayer
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for we ask it in the
precious name of Jesus, Amen.
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In last time's presentation
we studied about the beast that
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rose from the sea.
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And we noticed that that
beast that rose from the sea
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is a symbol of the
Roman Catholic papacy.
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I want to make it very
clear that we are not opposed
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to Roman Catholics.
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We're talking about a system.
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We're not talking about the
individuals within that system.
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There are very many sincere,
loving Christians within that
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communion, but we're talking
about the Roman Catholic Church
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as an
organization, or as a hierarchy.
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Now you remember, if you were
here this time, that we noticed
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that the fourth beast of Daniel
7 has four stages of dominium.
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The first stage of dominion
is, of course, the dragon
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beast ruling by itself.
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That represents
the Roman Empire.
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Then from the head of that
dragon beast come ten horns,
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which represent the ten
divisions of the Roman Empire.
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The Roman Empire was
fragmented as a result of
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the barbarian invasions.
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And then we notice that a
little horn rises among the ten.
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That represents the Roman
Catholic papacy, which ruled for
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1,260 years, from 538 to 1798,
when the pope was taken prisoner
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by Napoleon's, General Berthier.
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And then we notice that there
was a period of time in which
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that little horn, or the
beast, remained inactive,
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because the secular governments
of the world maintained
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this system bound.
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In other words they did not
allow this system to use them.
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The Bible uses the
symbolism of the sword.
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They did not allow the church
to use the sword of the state.
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And so for about 200 years
after the French Revolution
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the Roman Catholic Church has
not been able to use the civil
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powers of the
world to persecute.
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We noticed also in our
study that this deadly wound is
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going to be healed.
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The sword is going
to be returned once
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again to this system.
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And all of the world, the Bible
says, is going to wander after
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this system, is going
to wander after the beast.
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And you say, How in the world
could this wound be healed?
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How is it possible that any
nation in the world would allow
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this system, once again, to
climb on it, and to use that
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government, or to use
that secular power as a sword,
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to persecute, once again,
those who are not in harmony
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with the
teachings of the church?
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Well, today we're going to study
a little bit about the healing
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of that deadly wound.
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We're going to identify a
second beast in Revelation 13.
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This beast does
not rise from the sea.
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It rises from the earth.
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And this beast is actually
going to return the sword
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to the first beast.
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You see, this second beast from
the earth is going to make an
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image of the first beast.
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This second beast is going
to command all of the world
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to worship the first beast.
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In fact, this second beast
is going to command every one
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on earth to receive
the mark of the best.
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By the way, in the future we're
going to have one lecture on the
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image to the beast.
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We're going to have
another lecture on the
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mark of the beast.
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And we're going to have
still another one on the
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number of the beast.
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So each one of those
aspects we're going to study.
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But today we want to identify
the power, or the nation,
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that is going to return
the sword to the sea beast,
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or to the Roman Catholic papacy.
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In fact, do you know that the
Bible says that when the sword
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is returned to the sea beast,
that the sea beast is actually
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going to be able to
kill, through this power,
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through this nation that rises,
is going to be able to kill
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everyone who is not in
harmony with her teachings.
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You find that in
Revelation 13: 15 where it says:
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Yes, persecution will
arise again just like it existed
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during the Middle Ages.
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Now let's read about this
beast that rises from the earth,
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that is going to help the
first beast get its power back.
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Revelation
13:11, Revelation 13:11.
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Other versions say, He had
two horns like a lamb but he
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spoke like a dragon.
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Now the remarkable
thing about this second beast,
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this earth beast, is that
it has a split personality.
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In other words, it
has a positive side,
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and it has a negative side.
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The positive side are
the two horns like a lamb.
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Because we're going to notice
in Revelation that the lamb
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represents Jesus Christ.
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So this beast has a positive
side: the two horns like a lamb.
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But it says that this same beast
that has two horns like a lamb,
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speaks like what? like a dragon.
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Let me ask you, What
similarity is there between
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a dragon and a lamb?
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No similarity at all!
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And yet in this one beast you
find these two characteristics:
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two horns like a lamb.
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It has two aspects like a lamb,
but it speaks like a dragon.
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In other words it
has a dual personality.
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It has a split personality.
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I want you to notice that
it's not that this beast has two
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horns like a lamb, and
then the two horns are broken.
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In other words it
ceases being like a lamb,
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and then it speaks like a dragon
when the two horns are broken.
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No. The Bible says that it
speaks like a dragon even while
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it still have the two horns.
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In other words, it
professes one thing,
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but it actually lives another.
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In other words, it
professes two principles,
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we're going to notice,
that Christ entertained.
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And it's going to say, We
believe in that, but at the same
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time it's going
to persecute like the
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dragon of Revelation 12.
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Now let's
identify this lamb beast.
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Let's see... Actually it's not
a land beast, but the beast that
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has two horns like a lamb.
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Let's review the
order of kingdoms that we
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studied last time.
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You remember
that we have a lion.
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What kingdom does the
lion represent? Babylon.
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Then we have a bear.
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What kingdom does
the bear represent?
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the Medes and Persians.
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Then we have a leopard.
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What kingdom does the
leopard represent? Greece.
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Then we have a dragon beast.
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And what does that
dragon beast represent? Rome.
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And then that dragon
beast grows ten horns.
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What do the ten horns represent
that come from the head of Rome,
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of the dragon beast?
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It represents Rome, that
was divided into ten kingdoms
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as a result of the
barbarian invasions.
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476 is the key date.
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That's when the last
Roman emperor was deposed.
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And then you have the
little horn, which represents
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the papacy, which, by
the way, is Roman also.
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It comes from the head of
the dragon beast, which is Rome.
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And it rules for 1260 years.
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But then at the end of the
1260 years, it receives a what?
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a deadly wound. The
sword that it used to persecute
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now turns against it.
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In other words, the
sword is taken out of its hand.
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And the sword rises against
it and gives it a deadly wound.
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And for awhile this beast
is inactive; this sea beast is
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inactive because
it has a deadly wound.
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But the Bible says
that its deadly wound
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is going to be what? healed.
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Now I want you to
notice something very
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interesting about this beast.
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When this first beast falls,
when the sea beast receives
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its deadly wound, at that moment
is when this land beast rises.
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So we have a chronological
detail to know exactly when
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this beast is going to
arise in the flow of history.
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Let's notice
several characteristics.
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Characteristic 1. of this
land beast that is going to give
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the sword back to the sea beast.
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And it's going to impose
the mark of the sea beast.
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It's going to impose
the number of the sea beast.
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It's going to make an
image of the sea beast.
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It's going to tell everyone
to worship the sea beast.
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In other words,
everything it does is with
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reference to the sea beast.
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It's almost like it
doesn't have its own identity.
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It arose for one purpose, and
that was to return the identity,
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or the ability to
persecute to that first beast.
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Now notice Revelation
13:10, 11, Revelation 13:10, 11.
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Verse 10 speaks about
the deadly wound. It says:
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See that's the deadly wound.
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And notice, immediately after it
speaks about the deadly wound,
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we find in verse 11:
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So when the first
beast falls it says:
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So when does this
second beast rise?
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It rises to power when the first
beast receives its deadly wound.
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Because it says, He who
kills with the sword will be
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killed with the sword.
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Then he says, Then I saw another
beast rise from the earth,
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which means that this
beast would have to rise
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around what year?
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It will have to be around the
year 1798 when the first beast
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received its deadly wound.
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A second characteristic which
helps us identify this beast
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from the earth is that in
Revelation 13, beginning with
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verse 11, there is
no reference to waters.
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There is no
reference to winds of strife.
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In fact this beast that rises
from the earth doesn't even
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fight with any other beasts.
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In other words, it does not
arise in the midst of strife.
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Winds of strife represent wars.
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It doesn't have to
conquer any previous nation.
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It actually arises
in a different place.
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It can't be in Asia,
and it can't be in Europe.
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You say, Why not?
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Because if you read Daniel
7 you'll notice that the lion
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and the bear, which are
Asian powers, by the way,
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rose from the sea.
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Also the leopard and the
dragon beast, which are European
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powers, rose
from the sea as well.
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But this beast rises from the
earth, which means that it must
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rise in a different place.
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Are you
understanding what I'm saying?
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Now something very important is
that prophecy is actually moving
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from east to west, because
the first two beasts are Asian
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powers: the lion and the bear.
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The next two beasts
are European powers,
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which is Greece and Rome.
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And, by the way, always moving
further what? further west.
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So where would you expect this
beast from the earth to arise?
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Probably further
west than Europe.
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And let me ask you, What is
it that is west from Europe?
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North America, the
United States of America.
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In fact, it's interesting
that there are no waters.
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It rises from the earth.
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Waters represent multitudes,
nations, tongues, and peoples.
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Let me ask you, When the United
States, when the pilgrims came
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to the United States,
were there lots of people
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living in this country?
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Was it like the old
country, Europe? Absolutely not.
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There were very few living here.
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I'm going to give
you some statistics
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a little bit later on.
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In fact, let me read
you a couple of statements.
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One of them is by Daniel J.
Boorstin, who for many years
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was the Librarian of Congress.
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He says this
about North America:
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That is of the United States.
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And another author
said this, G. A. Townsend,
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about the territory
where this country arose:
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So the United States arose
in silence: no wins, no wars,
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no fighting other nations.
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It arose in the earth where
there was a scarcity of people.
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It arose around the year 1798,
and this author says that it
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arose like a plant.
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Do you know that that word
that's used, I saw another beast
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rise from the earth,
that word rise is used in the
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New Testament to describe a
plant that grows from the earth.
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It's interesting
that this historian says,
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in the last quotation I
read, Like a silent seed we
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grew into an empire.
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Now another point that will help
us identify this power is that
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the first beast, the sea
beast, and this earth beast
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are contemporaneous.
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In other words, they
exist at the same time.
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But the first beast is
older than this second beast,
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because the second beast
rises after the first beast
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has ruled for 1,260 years.
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In other words they
exist at the same time.
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They are powers
that are simultaneous
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in the flow of history.
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And the interesting thing is
that this second beast actually
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helps the first beast
to get it's power back.
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You know, usually when you
look at the beasts in Daniel 7,
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the bear fights the lion
and takes away his power,
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and the leopard fights the
bear and takes away his power,
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and the dragon
fights the leopard and
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takes away his power.
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In other words, every power
defeats the previous power.
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But this is very
unusual, because in 1798,
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when the first power falls, and
loses the sword, the Bible tells
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that this second power is not
going to fight that first power,
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but is actually going to do
everything possible to restore
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the power to the
first beast. Unbelievable!
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Revelation 13 also says
that this power is going to be
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worldwide, and it's
going to be a super power.
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It's going to be a super power
economically, because the Bible
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says that he's going
to forbid to buy and sell
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to whoever does not
receive the mark of the beast.
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It's a worldwide military power,
because it says that it's going
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to kill everyone who does not
receive the mark of the beast.
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And it is also a worldwide
political power, because it says
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that everybody on
earth, all the world marveled
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and worshipped the beast.
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In other words, this
second beast is the enforcer
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of the first beast.
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This second beast is
actually the sword in the
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first beast's hand.
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And you say, this is incredible.
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How would this beast lend itself
to be used in this manner?
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Well, it's
unbelievable, but it's true.
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One final characteristic before
we move on to talk about the
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two horns like a lamb,
which is one especially
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I want us to dwell upon.
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This nation, before it
becomes an oppressive nation,
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and actually enforces the
religion of the first beast,
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actually was a blessing to those
people who fled from the old
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country to the United States.
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I'm not going to read the text,
but if you go to Revelation 12,
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you're going to notice in verse
16, that immediately towards the
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end of the 1260 years, when
the church was being persecuted,
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it says the dragon was
spewing water out of his mouth
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to drown the woman,
which represents the church.
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We're told there that
the earth helped the woman,
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and the earth swallowed the
waters of persecution that the
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dragon spewed out of his mouth.
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In other words, at first
this nation provides what? help,
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and refuge for those who
are persecuted in Europe.
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But later on what's going
to happen with this nation?
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Instead of providing refuge
for God's people, it is going
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to become a what?
a persecuting power.
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By the way, I'd like to mention
just briefly here the phenomenal
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growth of the United
States into a world super power.
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In 1701 the United
States had 260,000 inhabitants.
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In 1776 when the Declaration
of Independence was signed,
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there were 2.8 million.
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In the year 1800
there were 5,236,000.
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That's around the
time of the deadly wound.
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In 1900 the United
States had 76,212,000.
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In 1950 the United
States had 151,325,000.
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And today, the latest
that I saw on the internet,
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the United States has
over 306,000,000 inhabitants.
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Since 1950 the population of
the United States has doubled.
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As a silent seed we
grew into an empire.
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Let me ask you, Is the
United States a global power,
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economically, militarily,
and financially? Absolutely!
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Can it serve, eventually,
as the enforcer for this power?
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There's no nation in the world
that could serve as the enforcer
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of this power
except the United States.
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Now I want to go and dwell
upon the two horns like a lamb.
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That's what I want to
dedicate most of our time
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to in this lecture.
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First of all we want to ask,
What does this beast represent?
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What does a beast
represent in Bible prophecy?
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Well, you know that a beast
represents a nation, right?
00:20:02.06\00:20:05.33
The lion represents
Babylon, the bear Medo Persia,
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the leopard Greece, the dragon
Rome, the he goat represents
00:20:09.07\00:20:14.18
Greece, the ram
represents Medo Persia.
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In other words, beasts in
prophecy represent nations.
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Now allow me to read you a
statement from Adam Clarke.
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He was a great
Bible commentator.
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He's not a Seventh-day
Adventist, but he explains
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what a beast represents.
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See it is not only Seventh-day
Adventists that believe that
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beasts represent
nations. He says this:
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That's the land beast.
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Is he right? He said,
Well, if the first beast
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is an empire, well the
second beast must also be what?
00:20:55.95\00:20:59.79
an empire, in
order to be consistent.
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Now what do the
two horns represent?
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How many beasts do we have?
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I'm not talking about the
sea beast and the land beast.
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The land beast is how
many beasts? just one, right?
00:21:10.10\00:21:13.17
But it has two horns.
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So how many nations does
this beast represent? it's one
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nation, but it has two horns.
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Now what do the
two horns represent?
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Once again Adam Clarke
gives this explanation:
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very, very good
explanation. He says:
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This is the dragon
beast. It has ten horns.
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That's the book of Revelation.
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Is he right? I mean
you have to be consistent.
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You can't say that the ten horns
of the dragon beast represent
00:22:14.90\00:22:18.00
one thing, and to say the
two horns on this land beast
00:22:18.03\00:22:21.30
represent
something totally different.
00:22:21.34\00:22:22.84
The two horns on the head of
the land beast, or this beast
00:22:22.87\00:22:27.21
that has characteristics like
a lamb, represent two kingdoms.
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Now there's a Biblical parallel
that is very, very close to
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this symbol that we
have in Revelation 13:11.
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Go with me to Daniel 8, Daniel
8, and I want to read verse 3,
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and then we'll jump
down to verse 20. Daniel 8:3.
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How many animals? one.
00:23:00.54\00:23:03.75
Okay, so you have one
beast with what? two horns.
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Now what do those two horns
represent on this one beast?
00:23:17.06\00:23:19.96
This one ram with two horns.
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What does the ram, and
what do the two horns represent?
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Verse 20:
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Let me ask you,
Was this one nation?
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Yes, it was one nation.
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One beast is used to
represent it: a bear, and a ram.
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One nation, but this
one nation was composed of
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how many kingdoms?
00:23:51.53\00:23:52.86
This one nation was
composed of two kingdoms.
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In other words, this beast
of Revelation 13 represents one
00:23:55.90\00:23:59.33
nation, but that one nation
has two what? has two kingdoms,
00:23:59.37\00:24:05.21
or dual kingdoms within it.
00:24:05.24\00:24:08.08
Now we're going
to come back to this.
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You'll understand
what we're talking about.
00:24:10.68\00:24:12.08
We're setting the bases now.
00:24:12.11\00:24:13.45
But let me ask, Why are these
two horns like horns of a lamb?
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You know, there are many
beasts in Scripture that have
00:24:17.89\00:24:21.46
horns in prophecy.
00:24:21.49\00:24:23.26
But this is the only time
when the horns are specifically
00:24:23.29\00:24:28.50
identified; what kind of horns.
00:24:28.53\00:24:30.60
You know, for
example, the dragon beast that
00:24:30.63\00:24:32.77
says it has ten horns.
00:24:32.80\00:24:34.14
That doesn't say what
kind of ten horns they are.
00:24:34.17\00:24:36.10
It's just ten horns.
00:24:36.14\00:24:37.47
But with this
beast it specifies.
00:24:37.51\00:24:40.68
It says that it has two
horns like a what? like a lamb.
00:24:40.71\00:24:45.18
That must be important.
00:24:45.21\00:24:46.55
Now the question is,
What does the lamb represent?
00:24:46.58\00:24:49.08
The word lamb is used in
the book of Revelation 29 times.
00:24:49.12\00:24:53.56
In 28 of those
references it indisputably
00:24:53.59\00:24:59.26
refers to Jesus Christ.
00:24:59.29\00:25:00.86
And so somehow this beast,
the only time where you might
00:25:00.90\00:25:06.03
have an exception is here
in this text, Revelation 13:11.
00:25:06.07\00:25:10.54
It must mean that somehow this
one nation, on its head it will
00:25:10.57\00:25:16.88
have two horns, which represent
two kingdoms, and those kingdoms
00:25:16.91\00:25:20.65
are the ones that
were recognized by whom?
00:25:20.68\00:25:23.28
They were recognized by
Jesus Christ, because the lamb
00:25:23.32\00:25:27.56
represents whom? The
lamb represents Jesus.
00:25:27.59\00:25:31.39
So the two horns like a lamb is
the positive side of this beast.
00:25:31.43\00:25:37.73
Let me ask you, Is
this good that it has two
00:25:37.77\00:25:40.30
horns like a lamb? sure.
00:25:40.34\00:25:42.60
But the problem is that if
it has two horns like the lamb,
00:25:42.64\00:25:45.61
in other words, two horns like
kingdoms that Jesus recognized,
00:25:45.64\00:25:50.58
but at the same time
it will speak like what?
00:25:50.61\00:25:53.75
It'll speak like a
dragon, because it has
00:25:53.78\00:25:56.15
a split personality.
00:25:56.18\00:25:57.55
In other words, the
two horns like a lamb
00:25:57.59\00:25:59.09
are the positive side.
00:25:59.12\00:26:00.46
They're related somehow
to the Lord Jesus Christ.
00:26:00.49\00:26:04.66
And so we need to ask the
question, What two kingdoms
00:26:04.69\00:26:08.50
did Jesus Christ
the Lamb recognize?
00:26:08.53\00:26:11.40
Because the two horns
are kingdoms, and they're two
00:26:11.43\00:26:15.77
horns like a lamb, so
they must be two kingdoms that
00:26:15.80\00:26:18.27
Jesus what? that
Jesus recognized.
00:26:18.31\00:26:20.88
Now the question is,
Which two kingdoms did Jesus
00:26:20.91\00:26:23.75
recognize as viable?
00:26:23.78\00:26:25.88
Well, we've studied
this in previous lectures.
00:26:25.91\00:26:29.15
You remember that Jesus says,
Render therefore unto Caesar
00:26:29.18\00:26:34.32
the things that are
Caesar's, and unto God the
00:26:34.36\00:26:38.69
things that are God's.
00:26:38.73\00:26:40.06
Did Jesus
recognize two kingdoms?
00:26:40.10\00:26:41.76
Did the Lamb of God recognize
two kingdoms? Yes, He did.
00:26:41.80\00:26:45.37
So let's summarize.
00:26:45.40\00:26:46.74
This beast that rises from
the earth must be a kingdom.
00:26:46.77\00:26:50.97
This beast that rises from
the earth, that has two horns,
00:26:51.01\00:26:54.84
the two horns must represent
that in that nation there are
00:26:54.88\00:26:58.15
two what? There
are two kingdoms.
00:26:58.18\00:27:00.52
And they have to be two
kingdoms that Jesus recognized,
00:27:00.55\00:27:03.92
because they are
two horns like what?
00:27:03.95\00:27:06.05
two horns like a lamb.
00:27:06.09\00:27:07.82
And we know that the two
kingdoms that Jesus recognized
00:27:07.86\00:27:11.73
are the kingdom of
Caesar, the civil government,
00:27:11.76\00:27:15.60
and the kingdom of God,
which is on earth, the church.
00:27:15.63\00:27:21.24
Now let's talk a little
bit about the history of the
00:27:21.27\00:27:25.71
United States of America.
00:27:25.74\00:27:27.08
What nation in the world
arose around the year 1798?
00:27:27.11\00:27:36.02
One nation that recognized
in its founding documents
00:27:36.05\00:27:41.96
the legitimate simultaneous
existence of two kingdoms
00:27:41.99\00:27:48.00
separate one from another.
00:27:48.03\00:27:49.96
There's only one nation
in the world that originated
00:27:50.00\00:27:54.20
as one nation that recognized
two kingdoms, the same kingdoms
00:27:54.24\00:27:58.37
that Jesus recognized as being
separate one from the other.
00:27:58.41\00:28:02.71
I want to read a statement from
the Great Controversy, Page 440,
00:28:02.74\00:28:06.65
this magnificent
book on Bible prophecy.
00:28:06.68\00:28:09.22
Here Ellen White says:
00:28:09.25\00:28:10.95
Now what I want to do is
go through the history of the
00:28:38.15\00:28:40.92
United States to show you
that in its founding documents
00:28:40.95\00:28:44.95
you have this
idea of one nation,
00:28:44.99\00:28:47.22
composed of two kingdoms,
separate one from the other.
00:28:47.26\00:28:51.49
Now the history of the United
States can be divided into two
00:28:51.53\00:28:55.03
great periods: the first period
is known as the Colonial period,
00:28:55.06\00:29:01.00
and the second period is known
as the Constitutional period.
00:29:01.04\00:29:06.44
You know, the Constitutional
fathers: men such as George
00:29:06.47\00:29:10.61
Washington, Thomas Jefferson,
John Adams, James Madison,
00:29:10.65\00:29:15.88
and Benjamin
Franklin knew three things.
00:29:15.92\00:29:19.22
These were the Constitutional
fathers that arose
00:29:19.25\00:29:22.42
around the year 1798 to
write the founding documents
00:29:22.46\00:29:25.53
of the United States.
00:29:25.56\00:29:26.90
They knew three things: first of
all they knew the history of the
00:29:26.93\00:29:30.93
church in the middle ages.
00:29:30.97\00:29:32.30
In fact, do you know, that
every founding document of the
00:29:32.33\00:29:36.60
United States: the
Declaration of Independence,
00:29:36.64\00:29:38.64
the Constitution, and the
Bill of Rights were all ratified
00:29:38.67\00:29:41.98
before the beast
received its deadly wound?
00:29:42.01\00:29:44.28
As the first kingdom was coming
to an end, or receiving its
00:29:44.31\00:29:50.39
deadly wound, the other kingdom,
in its founding documents,
00:29:50.42\00:29:53.89
was rising to power.
00:29:53.92\00:29:55.62
That's very, very interesting.
00:29:55.66\00:29:57.46
And the founding fathers
knew the history of the church
00:29:57.49\00:30:04.53
in the middle ages.
00:30:04.57\00:30:06.10
They also knew the
history of the United States
00:30:06.13\00:30:09.87
in the Colonial period.
00:30:09.90\00:30:11.44
And they also knew their Bibles,
as we're going to notice.
00:30:11.47\00:30:15.78
Now the Constitutional fathers
knew, and they were living
00:30:15.81\00:30:20.22
at the end of the 1260 years,
that when church and state are
00:30:20.25\00:30:24.29
joined together, the
automatic result is persecution.
00:30:24.32\00:30:28.59
For example, they knew
the history of John Hus,
00:30:28.62\00:30:31.56
that man who was convicted,
and burned at the stake
00:30:31.59\00:30:35.76
for his religious convictions.
00:30:35.80\00:30:37.57
They knew, for example, that
he had been kept in sub-human
00:30:37.60\00:30:41.30
conditions in prison squalor.
00:30:41.34\00:30:44.44
They knew that false
witnesses were called to
00:30:44.47\00:30:47.61
testify against him.
00:30:47.64\00:30:49.41
They knew that he had
violated no civil laws.
00:30:49.44\00:30:52.28
They knew that he was tried
for the religious convictions
00:30:52.31\00:30:54.88
of his conscience.
00:30:54.92\00:30:56.25
They knew that he was called
before a religious tribunal,
00:30:56.28\00:30:58.89
much like the
Sanhedrin, at first.
00:30:58.92\00:31:01.46
He knew that that religious
tribunal had pronounced a death
00:31:01.49\00:31:04.33
sentence against him.
00:31:04.36\00:31:05.69
And they knew that then they
took him to the emperor to have
00:31:05.73\00:31:10.00
the emperor stamp his imprimatur
upon the sentence of death.
00:31:10.03\00:31:15.07
And they knew that because of
his religious convictions he was
00:31:15.10\00:31:18.17
burned at the stake.
00:31:18.21\00:31:19.54
They knew the history of
the church in the middle ages,
00:31:19.57\00:31:22.71
when church and state
were united or joined together.
00:31:22.74\00:31:25.98
I'd like to read you a
few statements from this very
00:31:26.01\00:31:28.82
interesting book that I have.
00:31:28.85\00:31:30.19
It's called, Hus the Heretic
00:31:30.22\00:31:31.99
It's written by an individual
called Poggius the Papist.
00:31:32.02\00:31:36.89
In fact, this is the man
who was sent to arrest John Hus.
00:31:36.93\00:31:41.00
And, actually, as he watched
the way that John Hus was
00:31:41.03\00:31:44.50
treated by the Roman Catholic
Church, he actually came to
00:31:44.53\00:31:47.97
sympathize with John
Hus, as against the church
00:31:48.00\00:31:50.94
that he represented.
00:31:50.97\00:31:52.31
Let me read about the conditions
that John Hus was in because of
00:31:52.34\00:31:55.88
the convictions
of his conscience
00:31:55.91\00:31:57.31
during the middle ages.
00:31:57.35\00:31:58.68
This is on page 19 of this book.
00:31:58.71\00:32:01.92
After a short while Hus was let
out of his dungeon into a decent
00:32:01.95\00:32:06.69
chamber, but his feet
almost refused to carry him.
00:32:06.72\00:32:10.13
He swayed as he walked.
00:32:10.16\00:32:12.49
Listless and unused to the
day was the light of his eyes,
00:32:12.53\00:32:19.03
deathly pale his cheeks,
and loose what was left of his
00:32:19.07\00:32:23.24
teeth, since 11 had fallen
out due to the damp prison.
00:32:23.27\00:32:27.38
The nails on his fingers were
terribly long, because he had
00:32:27.41\00:32:31.15
been unable to bite
them off for many weeks.
00:32:31.18\00:32:34.15
Upon his skin was a
crust of dirt, which exuded am
00:32:34.18\00:32:38.39
awful stench, and his otherwise
brown hair fell in white
00:32:38.42\00:32:42.32
ringlets upon his
rotting and torn garb.
00:32:42.36\00:32:45.79
This is an individual who
belongs to the Roman Catholic
00:32:45.83\00:32:49.56
papacy describing this.
00:32:49.60\00:32:51.43
His shoes had rotted upon
his feet, and his shirt and
00:32:51.47\00:32:55.07
loincloth had vanished.
00:32:55.10\00:32:56.71
The rounded flesh which had
covered his bones had shrunken,
00:32:56.74\00:33:00.48
and shriveled, and
he had become a picture
00:33:00.51\00:33:03.51
of woe without equal,
unrecognizable to those who
00:33:03.55\00:33:07.15
had known him before.
00:33:07.18\00:33:08.52
Horror filled those who looked
upon him, and pitying people
00:33:08.55\00:33:12.85
prepared a bath for him,
brought shirts and clothing,
00:33:12.89\00:33:15.89
and refreshed him with
strengthening foods, for which
00:33:15.92\00:33:19.09
he could only
thank with tearful eyes.
00:33:19.13\00:33:22.63
On page 28 we find this
statement: With the clock
00:33:22.66\00:33:28.27
striking 8, and the bells
telling, the procession of
00:33:28.30\00:33:32.71
Bishops,
Cardinals, and Fathers...
00:33:32.74\00:33:34.74
See this is, they're
taking him to his trial now,
00:33:34.78\00:33:36.85
to his religious trial.
00:33:36.88\00:33:38.21
Notice who he's
appearing before.
00:33:38.25\00:33:39.68
The procession of
Bishops, Cardinals, and Fathers,
00:33:39.71\00:33:42.58
and Deputies moved
towards the church where a chair
00:33:42.62\00:33:46.05
had been placed for Hus,
about which the seats of the
00:33:46.09\00:33:49.32
gentlemen were arranged.
00:33:49.36\00:33:51.29
He was brought there for the
convictions of his conscience.
00:33:51.33\00:33:54.66
He had violated
absolutely no civil laws.
00:33:54.70\00:33:57.87
In fact when they gave him
an opportunity to speak he said
00:33:57.90\00:34:03.24
this: God gave to
Peter, His disciple...
00:34:03.27\00:34:08.38
And notice the
terminology; very important.
00:34:08.41\00:34:10.35
God gave to Peter, His disciple,
the key to open all hearts,
00:34:10.38\00:34:15.65
and to have enough faith
with it, but not the sword.
00:34:15.68\00:34:21.86
God gave Peter the what?
00:34:21.89\00:34:23.59
He gave him the key to
open hearts, but not the sword
00:34:23.63\00:34:28.90
to slay, as you slay, all those
who do not accept your worldly
00:34:28.93\00:34:34.54
doctrines, and who evade them.
00:34:34.57\00:34:36.97
Did he understand
what the sword is?
00:34:37.01\00:34:39.37
He most certainly
understood what the sword was.
00:34:39.41\00:34:41.78
He said you haven't
been given the sword.
00:34:41.81\00:34:43.48
You've been given the key
to open the heavenly kingdom.
00:34:43.51\00:34:46.25
When the final vote was taken
among the religious dignitaries,
00:34:46.28\00:34:50.82
31 votes were cast not guilty.
00:34:50.85\00:34:53.96
11 votes were cast
for excommunication.
00:34:53.99\00:34:58.43
And 45 votes
were cast for death.
00:34:58.46\00:35:02.46
And then he was taken to
the Emperor, who had promised to
00:35:02.50\00:35:07.20
give him safe conduct back to
his home, and he broke his word.
00:35:07.24\00:35:12.01
In fact there was a Count
there, Count Slum who told the
00:35:12.04\00:35:17.55
Emperor... And I'd like to read
the words that he spoke to the
00:35:17.58\00:35:21.15
Emperor as he was about to
sign the death warrant for Hus.
00:35:21.18\00:35:27.09
This is what he said: Caesar...
Notice he calls him Caesar.
00:35:27.12\00:35:32.29
Caesar desist from such doings.
00:35:32.33\00:35:34.40
Caesar, Caesar, do not
write your name with blood.
00:35:34.43\00:35:37.60
But Poggius continues saying,
But the Emperor's ears were
00:35:37.63\00:35:41.97
deaf, and were further closed
by the Cardinals, Bishops,
00:35:42.00\00:35:46.01
and priests who crowded
about him, kissed the hem of his
00:35:46.04\00:35:49.51
garments, and praised his
name when he seized the quill
00:35:49.54\00:35:53.55
and wrote his name.
00:35:53.58\00:35:55.18
And Hus was taken, and
he was burned at the stake.
00:35:55.22\00:35:58.72
You know, I've been in
the Palace of the Inquisition
00:35:58.75\00:36:01.89
in Lima, Peru. It's a
depressing experience.
00:36:01.92\00:36:06.49
They actually have models where
they show the types of torture
00:36:06.53\00:36:10.67
that were used against people
for no reason other than they
00:36:10.70\00:36:14.57
did not agree with the church.
00:36:14.60\00:36:16.34
Torture and death; some
were even burned at the stake,
00:36:16.37\00:36:21.31
like John Hus was
burned at the stake.
00:36:21.34\00:36:23.55
And it wasn't the church who
did it, but the church used the
00:36:23.58\00:36:27.02
sword of the state in
order to accomplish its purpose.
00:36:27.05\00:36:30.85
You see, the Constitutional
fathers not only knew the
00:36:30.89\00:36:34.16
history of Europe, when church
and state are joined together,
00:36:34.19\00:36:36.22
they also knew the
history of the Colonial period
00:36:36.26\00:36:39.26
in the United States.
00:36:39.29\00:36:40.63
You know, there are many
people who misunderstand,
00:36:40.66\00:36:43.03
or don't understand
the Colonial period.
00:36:43.06\00:36:44.80
Do you know that during the
Colonial period, which begins
00:36:44.83\00:36:47.44
around 1620 when the pilgrims
arrived in the United States,
00:36:47.47\00:36:51.77
atheists, Jews, Quakers, and
Baptists were deprived of their
00:36:51.81\00:36:56.98
religious rights, because
they did not agree with the
00:36:57.01\00:36:59.41
established church of the
Colonies, which was the Puritan,
00:36:59.45\00:37:02.55
or was the Anglican Church.
00:37:02.58\00:37:04.39
Did you know that there were
Sunday laws in the Colonies,
00:37:04.42\00:37:07.76
and if you didn't go to church
on Sunday, you could be whipped,
00:37:07.79\00:37:10.13
you could be fined,
you could be jailed?
00:37:10.16\00:37:12.26
And in the case of three
Colonies, you could be executed
00:37:12.29\00:37:15.36
for not coming
to church on Sunday?
00:37:15.40\00:37:17.33
Did you know that they actually
cut off the ears of Quakers
00:37:17.37\00:37:21.00
for coming back when they had
been exiled from the Colonies?
00:37:21.04\00:37:24.17
If they came back
once the cut off one ear.
00:37:24.21\00:37:26.34
If they came back
the second time they cut
00:37:26.37\00:37:28.08
off the second ear.
00:37:28.11\00:37:29.44
And if they caught them the
third time they executed them
00:37:29.48\00:37:31.71
for their religious convictions.
00:37:31.75\00:37:33.18
Did you know that:
00:37:33.21\00:37:34.55
And also the government paid
the salaries of the ministers,
00:37:41.02\00:37:46.39
interestingly enough.
00:37:46.43\00:37:48.20
And so the church and the
state were joined together,
00:37:48.23\00:37:51.37
and as a result
you had persecution.
00:37:51.40\00:37:53.40
You know, many people
know the story, for example,
00:37:53.44\00:37:55.97
of Roger Williams.
00:37:56.00\00:37:57.34
Roger Williams arrived
in the Colonies in 1629.
00:37:57.37\00:38:00.21
He pastored a church there, but
he started teaching separation
00:38:00.24\00:38:03.75
of church and state.
00:38:03.78\00:38:05.11
He said, There are to be
two kingdoms in this country,
00:38:05.15\00:38:08.12
absolutely, but they're supposed
to be separate one from another.
00:38:08.15\00:38:11.02
Because that's
what Jesus taught.
00:38:11.05\00:38:12.69
Are you seeing
what the two horns are?
00:38:12.72\00:38:14.12
Jesus said, Two
kingdoms in the same nation,
00:38:14.16\00:38:17.39
separate, one from another.
00:38:17.43\00:38:19.46
And, of course, what
he was teaching went over
00:38:19.49\00:38:21.90
like a lead balloon.
00:38:21.93\00:38:23.26
And so they banished him from
the Massachusetts Bay Colony.
00:38:23.30\00:38:27.77
And he himself says
that towards the end of 1635,
00:38:27.80\00:38:32.37
and the beginning of 1636,
he had to flee for three weeks,
00:38:32.41\00:38:35.28
through huge show drifts to
get out of the Massachusetts Bay
00:38:35.31\00:38:39.71
Colony, because
he had been banished.
00:38:39.75\00:38:42.12
And if they found him in there
they could throw him in prison,
00:38:42.15\00:38:44.32
or they could even execute him.
00:38:44.35\00:38:45.75
And so he ended up in Rhode
Island, and he established the
00:38:45.79\00:38:49.82
Capital of Rhode
Island, which is Providence.
00:38:49.86\00:38:52.76
That's interesting that he
would call that city Providence.
00:38:52.79\00:38:56.56
And so the founding fathers knew
the history of what happens when
00:38:56.60\00:39:01.94
church and state are
united together in Europe.
00:39:01.97\00:39:04.54
They knew what happened
when church and state are joined
00:39:04.57\00:39:07.78
together in the United
States in the Colonial period.
00:39:07.81\00:39:11.71
They also knew their Bibles.
00:39:11.75\00:39:13.21
In several places they wrote
about how they knew that because
00:39:13.25\00:39:16.99
the Jews allied themselves with
the Roman state, that led to the
00:39:17.02\00:39:21.96
death of Jesus Christ.
00:39:21.99\00:39:23.32
They knew three things:
they knew the history of Europe
00:39:23.36\00:39:26.03
in the middle ages, they
knew the Colonial period,
00:39:26.06\00:39:28.56
and they knew their Bibles.
00:39:28.60\00:39:29.93
And they knew that when
these two kingdoms become one
00:39:29.96\00:39:32.63
automatically
there is persecution.
00:39:32.67\00:39:35.50
And so the Constitutional
fathers, knowing this,
00:39:35.54\00:39:38.67
when the wrote the Declaration
of Independence in 1776,
00:39:38.71\00:39:44.08
and the Constitution
was ratified in 1787,
00:39:44.11\00:39:47.65
and the Bill of Rights, which
are the first ten amendments
00:39:47.68\00:39:50.42
to the Constitution,
was ratified in 1791.
00:39:50.45\00:39:53.32
They said, We're going to have
a different system of government
00:39:53.36\00:39:57.26
in this nation
that we're establishing.
00:39:57.29\00:39:59.13
We are going to have,
yes, church and state,
00:39:59.16\00:40:02.76
but church and state
are going to be separated
00:40:02.80\00:40:05.30
like Jesus taught: two
kingdoms in one nation.
00:40:05.33\00:40:12.47
The same two kingdoms
that Jesus Christ recognized.
00:40:12.51\00:40:17.51
And remember that this is
taking place immediately before
00:40:17.55\00:40:20.52
the first beast
received its deadly wound.
00:40:20.55\00:40:23.69
By the way, this idea of the
separation of church and state
00:40:23.72\00:40:27.56
is known as
Republicanism and Protestantism.
00:40:27.59\00:40:31.33
You see, during the middle
ages, what happened is in civil
00:40:31.36\00:40:35.46
affairs the king was the law.
00:40:35.50\00:40:38.00
You know, whatever the
king said, in civil matters,
00:40:38.03\00:40:41.14
that's what was done.
00:40:41.17\00:40:42.50
In religious matters whatever
the Pope said, that was done.
00:40:42.54\00:40:47.04
In other words, all of
the power flowed from up down.
00:40:47.08\00:40:50.11
But the Constitutional fathers
said, We're going to try a
00:40:50.15\00:40:54.28
revolutionary experiment.
00:40:54.32\00:40:55.75
We're going to have not
the power flow from up down,
00:40:55.78\00:40:59.15
from the king down to the
people, so that they have to
00:40:59.19\00:41:01.12
jump when he says jump.
00:41:01.16\00:41:02.96
We're not going to have the
power flow from the Pope down,
00:41:02.99\00:41:06.76
where everybody has to
subject themselves blindly.
00:41:06.80\00:41:08.96
No, we're going to have a system
of government where the power
00:41:09.00\00:41:12.07
flows down up; a government
of the people, by the people,
00:41:12.10\00:41:17.57
and for the people; where there
will be freedom of religion,
00:41:17.61\00:41:22.04
and where there'll be
also freedom in civil matters.
00:41:22.08\00:41:26.88
It's interesting to notice
Ellen White was born 29 years
00:41:26.92\00:41:30.65
after the deadly wound.
00:41:30.95\00:41:32.29
It's interesting to notice
how she describes this idea
00:41:32.32\00:41:36.42
of the founding fathers.
00:41:36.46\00:41:37.79
In The Great
Controversy, page 441, she says:
00:41:37.83\00:41:40.83
That has to do
with civil power, right?
00:41:49.14\00:41:51.77
What kingdom does that have
to do with? the religious power.
00:41:55.48\00:41:59.95
She continues saying:
00:41:59.98\00:42:01.38
How many kingdoms there?
civil and religious liberty.
00:42:09.09\00:42:13.03
Did you catch this?
00:42:41.69\00:42:43.59
She's talking about
civil matters, and what?
00:42:43.63\00:42:46.96
religious matters. She says:
00:42:47.00\00:42:49.20
Which, by the way,
means a state without a king.
00:42:58.77\00:43:01.44
Which means a
church without a Pope.
00:43:03.81\00:43:06.08
And now notice what she says:
00:43:09.72\00:43:11.65
What is the secret of
the power and prosperity
00:43:16.52\00:43:19.66
of the United States?
all the money we have?
00:43:19.69\00:43:21.56
all of the vast
territory we have?
00:43:21.60\00:43:24.57
The powerful
military that we have?
00:43:24.60\00:43:27.70
No, the secret of the power
of this nation is found in the
00:43:27.74\00:43:31.81
two principles upon
which it was established.
00:43:31.84\00:43:35.31
And she goes on to say that
when these two principles are
00:43:35.34\00:43:39.68
repudiated... And we'll talk
about this when we deal with
00:43:39.71\00:43:42.05
the image to the beast.
00:43:42.08\00:43:43.42
When these two principles are
repudiated, that will lead to
00:43:43.45\00:43:46.72
national apostasy,
and national apostasy will
00:43:46.76\00:43:50.03
lead to national ruin.
00:43:50.06\00:43:52.09
She also says in The
Great Controversy, page 442,
00:43:52.13\00:43:57.87
I want to read you
three statements from three
00:44:12.68\00:44:15.48
of the founding fathers.
00:44:15.52\00:44:16.85
First Benjamin Franklin.
00:44:16.89\00:44:18.59
You know, he had an interesting
way of putting things.
00:44:18.62\00:44:21.16
This is what he said: When
religion is good, I can see that
00:44:21.19\00:44:26.16
it will support itself.
00:44:26.19\00:44:27.53
And when it does not support
itself, and God does not take
00:44:27.56\00:44:32.90
care to support it, so that
its professors are obliged to
00:44:32.93\00:44:37.11
call for the help of the civil
powers, tis a sign I apprehend,
00:44:37.14\00:44:41.74
of it being a bad one.
00:44:41.78\00:44:43.75
Was he right? Of
course he was right.
00:44:43.78\00:44:47.58
He's talking about
separation of church and state.
00:44:47.62\00:44:50.19
Notice these
words that are etched on
00:44:50.22\00:44:52.22
the Jefferson Monument.
00:44:52.25\00:44:54.32
You can go to
Washington, D. C., and go to the
00:44:54.36\00:44:56.59
Jefferson Monument.
00:44:56.62\00:44:57.96
These are the words
that are etched in stone.
00:44:57.99\00:44:59.79
This is what he said:
00:44:59.83\00:45:01.30
Did Thomas Jefferson
believe in the separation
00:45:39.77\00:45:42.40
of church and state?
00:45:42.44\00:45:43.77
Did he believe in two kingdoms?
00:45:43.81\00:45:45.14
Yes, separate from one another.
00:45:45.17\00:45:47.24
Notice the words
of George Washington.
00:45:47.28\00:45:49.58
These are words from the Baptist
Delegation, August 8, 1789.
00:45:49.61\00:45:55.28
Here Washington says:
00:45:55.32\00:45:57.25
Three of the founding fathers;
Thomas Jefferson was actually
00:46:59.95\00:47:06.86
one of the
architects of the Constitution
00:47:06.89\00:47:10.26
of the United States.
00:47:10.29\00:47:11.63
Let me ask you once again,
Did these men believe in two
00:47:11.66\00:47:16.10
kingdoms within
the same nation? Yes.
00:47:16.13\00:47:19.73
And sometimes I ask
people when I lecture on this,
00:47:19.77\00:47:21.97
I say, Let me ask you, How many
kingdoms are you citizens of?
00:47:22.00\00:47:27.81
How many
countries are we in now?
00:47:27.84\00:47:31.75
We're in one country, right?
00:47:31.78\00:47:33.95
But how many kingdoms are
we citizens of in one nation?
00:47:33.98\00:47:39.35
We are citizens of two kingdoms.
00:47:39.39\00:47:41.66
We have two passports.
00:47:41.69\00:47:43.02
One passport is
a U. S. passport.
00:47:43.06\00:47:45.06
That's the civil passport.
00:47:45.09\00:47:48.26
And then we have
the blood of the lamb,
00:47:48.30\00:47:49.80
which is the other passport.
00:47:49.83\00:47:51.17
You see we're
citizens of one nation,
00:47:51.20\00:47:54.50
because we were born here,
or we were naturalized here.
00:47:54.54\00:47:58.07
We're citizens
of the other nation,
00:47:58.11\00:48:00.04
because of the new
birth; we were born again.
00:48:00.08\00:48:03.98
And so we live in one nation,
but within that one nation
00:48:04.01\00:48:08.18
there are two kingdoms
that are to be ever what?
00:48:08.22\00:48:10.92
separate one from another.
00:48:10.95\00:48:12.95
You know, there are many
Christian activists today
00:48:12.99\00:48:16.02
in the United States who say
that the separation of church
00:48:16.06\00:48:20.30
and state was established
so that the state could not
00:48:20.33\00:48:22.90
control the church.
00:48:22.93\00:48:24.27
But the history of the middle
ages, and the history of the
00:48:24.30\00:48:26.90
colonial period shows that the
reason why the founding fathers
00:48:26.94\00:48:30.14
separated church and state
was because there was a danger
00:48:30.17\00:48:32.94
that the church
should use the state
00:48:32.97\00:48:34.74
to accomplish her purposes.
00:48:34.78\00:48:36.81
Frequently Christian
activists also will say,
00:48:36.85\00:48:39.85
Well, the expression separation
of church and state is not found
00:48:39.88\00:48:44.02
anywhere in the Constitution.
00:48:44.05\00:48:45.85
And that's true. If you
look in the Constitution for an
00:48:45.89\00:48:49.52
expression that says
separation of church and state,
00:48:49.56\00:48:52.06
you're not going to find it.
00:48:52.09\00:48:53.43
But if you read the First
Amendment to the Constitution
00:48:53.46\00:48:57.47
you're going to find that
clearly in the First Amendment
00:48:57.50\00:49:01.24
is the idea of the
separation of church and state;
00:49:01.27\00:49:04.67
of religion from politics.
00:49:04.71\00:49:06.31
Notice what the
First Amendment says:
00:49:06.34\00:49:08.41
Now what part of no
law don't you understand?
00:49:11.41\00:49:13.58
This is the first
clause of the First Amendment.
00:49:20.56\00:49:23.93
In other words, it doesn't say
that Congress can't make a law
00:49:27.56\00:49:30.60
establishing a church,
or Congress can't make a law
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establishing a religion. No.
00:49:35.67\00:49:38.24
It says Congress shall
make no law respecting an
00:49:38.27\00:49:40.74
establishment of religion.
00:49:40.78\00:49:42.54
In other words, what the
First Amendment forbids is not
00:49:42.58\00:49:46.38
favoring one church above
another church, or one religion
00:49:46.41\00:49:50.19
above another religion.
00:49:50.22\00:49:51.55
The First Amendment forbids
the Congress from enacting laws
00:49:51.59\00:49:55.72
that have anything to
do with religion, period.
00:49:55.76\00:49:59.49
And so the First Amendment,
the first clause of the
00:49:59.53\00:50:01.63
First Amendment says:
00:50:01.66\00:50:03.00
And then you have
the second clause:
00:50:06.07\00:50:07.80
That's known as the
establishment clause,
00:50:10.94\00:50:15.08
and the free exercise clause.
00:50:15.11\00:50:16.75
In other words, the government
can't tell you to worship
00:50:16.78\00:50:19.28
in a certain way, and the
government can't forbid you
00:50:19.31\00:50:22.08
to worship in the way that your
conscience tells you to worship.
00:50:22.12\00:50:25.99
Let me ask you, Does that
very clearly, and obviously,
00:50:26.02\00:50:30.49
establish a separation
between church and state?
00:50:30.53\00:50:32.83
It most certainly does, because
the First Amendment says that
00:50:32.86\00:50:36.53
Congress can't make any
law having to do with religion.
00:50:36.56\00:50:39.20
It cannot tell you to practice
religion in a certain way,
00:50:39.23\00:50:43.64
and it can't forbid
you from practicing your
00:50:43.67\00:50:45.67
religion in a certain way.
00:50:45.71\00:50:47.18
In other words,
there's a separation between
00:50:47.21\00:50:49.34
the civil power and
the religious power.
00:50:49.38\00:50:52.48
James Madison, who is known as
the father of the Constitution,
00:50:52.51\00:50:56.65
had this to say
about the Constitution,
00:50:56.69\00:51:01.42
and the relationship
between religion and government.
00:51:01.46\00:51:04.09
He said this:
00:51:04.13\00:51:05.46
That is with religion.
00:51:15.07\00:51:16.40
Is that clear? In 1797 the
United States signed a treaty,
00:51:27.98\00:51:34.26
it's known as the
Treaty of Tripoli.
00:51:34.29\00:51:35.79
It's was actually approved
by President John Adams.
00:51:35.82\00:51:38.93
And this is what the
Treaty of Tripoli said.
00:51:38.96\00:51:41.20
This is only a
portion of the treaty.
00:51:41.23\00:51:42.70
Now we need to understand
that it was founded upon this
00:51:50.24\00:51:53.64
idea of two principles:
separation of church and state,
00:51:53.68\00:51:56.34
separation of civil
matters from religious matters.
00:51:56.38\00:51:59.65
But that doesn't mean that
the United States was founded
00:51:59.68\00:52:02.72
as a Christian nation.
00:52:02.75\00:52:04.09
It was founded as a
nation of Christians.
00:52:04.12\00:52:07.02
It's different to say
that it was a Christian nation
00:52:07.06\00:52:10.03
than to say that it is a nation
of Christians, where most of
00:52:10.06\00:52:13.29
the people, at that time
at least, were Christians.
00:52:13.33\00:52:16.23
Now what about Thomas Jefferson?
00:52:16.26\00:52:18.00
In 1802 he wrote a letter to
the Danbury Baptist Association,
00:52:18.03\00:52:23.41
and he used what is known
as the metaphor of the wall.
00:52:23.44\00:52:27.54
And, actually, he probably
got this metaphor "on the wall"
00:52:27.58\00:52:31.65
from Roger
Williams long before him.
00:52:31.68\00:52:34.28
But he didn't give
him credit if he did.
00:52:34.32\00:52:36.82
Notice what he had to
say to the Danbury Baptists.
00:52:36.85\00:52:39.89
Do you know what, I think Thomas
Jefferson knew much better what
00:53:19.93\00:53:23.30
the First Amendment to the
Constitution meant than the
00:53:23.33\00:53:26.30
Christian Revisionists
who want to rewrite it,
00:53:26.33\00:53:29.67
and reinterpret it
today, because he was nearer
00:53:29.70\00:53:33.54
to the event, and he
actually participated in it.
00:53:33.58\00:53:35.84
By the way, do you know
that the third clause of the
00:53:35.88\00:53:39.11
First Amendment
to the Constitution
00:53:39.15\00:53:40.98
has to do with civil rights?
00:53:41.02\00:53:42.48
Isn't it interesting that in the
First Amendment you have these
00:53:42.52\00:53:45.25
two things: the first two
clauses deal with religious
00:53:45.32\00:53:48.76
freedom, and the last
part of the First Amendment
00:53:48.79\00:53:52.19
deals with civil liberty?
00:53:52.23\00:53:53.86
Thus encased, folks, within
the First Amendment to the
00:53:53.90\00:53:58.33
Constitution, one of
the founding documents
00:53:58.37\00:54:00.60
of the United States, you
have this idea of two kingdoms:
00:54:00.64\00:54:04.44
in the
Declaration of Independence,
00:54:04.47\00:54:06.94
in the Constitution,
and in the Bill of Rights.
00:54:06.98\00:54:09.58
You have this idea of
separation of church and state.
00:54:09.61\00:54:13.85
You know the third clause,
having to do with civil liberty,
00:54:13.88\00:54:19.72
guarantees freedom of
speech, freedom of the press,
00:54:19.75\00:54:23.43
freedom of assembly, and freedom
to petition the government
00:54:23.46\00:54:28.40
for a redress of grievances.
00:54:28.46\00:54:30.23
Let me ask you, Are
those civil rights? Yes.
00:54:30.27\00:54:32.70
And so in the First Amendment
you have religious rights,
00:54:32.73\00:54:35.77
and you have civil
rights, contained within
00:54:35.80\00:54:39.54
the same Amendment.
00:54:39.57\00:54:42.18
So what is it that
is going to happen,
00:54:42.24\00:54:45.61
according to Bible prophecy?
00:54:45.65\00:54:47.15
According to Bible prophecy,
this beast that arose from the
00:54:47.18\00:54:52.79
earth, that at first sustained
the idea that this is one nation
00:54:52.82\00:55:00.46
having two kingdoms,
separate from one another,
00:55:00.50\00:55:04.63
church and state, where you
could be actually a citizen of
00:55:04.67\00:55:08.70
both within the same country;
where Congress could make no law
00:55:08.74\00:55:12.44
respecting an establishment
of religion, nor forbidding the
00:55:12.47\00:55:16.14
free exercise of religion.
00:55:16.18\00:55:17.95
Prophecy tells us that this
nation is going to repudiate
00:55:17.98\00:55:22.35
those principles, because we're
told in Revelation 13 that this
00:55:22.38\00:55:26.49
beast had two horns like a lamb,
which we've clearly identified
00:55:26.52\00:55:30.59
as these two kingdoms, which
represent the church and the
00:55:30.63\00:55:34.30
state, and they derive
ideas of freedom of religion,
00:55:34.33\00:55:37.83
and also civil freedom.
00:55:37.87\00:55:40.94
What's going to happen is this
country is going to repudiate
00:55:40.97\00:55:44.81
these two principles, and it
is going to speak like a dragon.
00:55:44.84\00:55:50.51
In other words, it is going
to become a persecuting power,
00:55:50.55\00:55:55.38
like the dragon
tried to kill the child
00:55:55.42\00:55:58.25
when the child was born.
00:55:58.29\00:55:59.62
That was Rome, by the way.
00:55:59.65\00:56:01.59
Like the dragon tried to destroy
the woman in the wilderness
00:56:01.62\00:56:05.59
during the 1260 years.
00:56:05.63\00:56:07.60
That was another
Rome, by the way.
00:56:07.63\00:56:10.83
This same Rome, at the end
of time, will recover the sword.
00:56:10.87\00:56:15.74
And the most unlikely of all
nations will be the nation that
00:56:15.77\00:56:20.61
will return the sword to this
sea beast, so that it can once
00:56:20.64\00:56:25.45
again persecute the
saints of the Most High.
00:56:25.48\00:56:28.58
You know, I pray to God
that this wouldn't happen.
00:56:28.62\00:56:33.36
That as people hear what
I'm presenting, and watch it on
00:56:33.39\00:56:37.76
television, they'd say,
Wow, This is an amazing history
00:56:37.79\00:56:42.16
of the United States of America.
00:56:42.20\00:56:44.03
We can't allow this to happen!
00:56:44.07\00:56:45.83
We cannot allow this church to
use the United States of America
00:56:45.87\00:56:51.47
to accomplish such purposes.
00:56:51.51\00:56:53.24
We cannot have
another Middle Ages.
00:56:53.27\00:56:56.44
We must stand firm with
our principles upon which
00:56:56.48\00:57:01.28
our nation was established.
00:57:01.32\00:57:02.65
I pray to God
that that would happen.
00:57:02.68\00:57:04.65
Bible prophecy tells us
that as God has announced,
00:57:04.69\00:57:09.16
things are going to happen.
00:57:09.19\00:57:10.53
They happen because God knows
the end from the beginning.
00:57:10.56\00:57:14.30
He does not determine them that
way, but He knows that they're
00:57:14.33\00:57:17.83
going to occur, because He knows
the end from the beginning.
00:57:17.87\00:57:21.30
I pray that in this final
conflict we will choose to be
00:57:21.34\00:57:25.04
on the right side.
00:57:25.07\00:57:26.41