Welcome back to
3ABN Fall Camp Meeting.
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Ya'll have a good first
hour out here in the audience?
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Amen! All right. Those of you at
home if you're just joining us
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thank you for doing so.
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We have a question and
answer program right now
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and we've got a great
panel. Look at this panel.
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They're good looking and smart
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so that's what we want...
and spiritual, by the way.
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That's right. And so, Yvonne,
could you introduce our group
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right now? I certainly will!
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This is... At the end
here we have our new general VP
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Greg Morikone. Um-hmm.
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We have Pastor John Lomacang.
He's the director of world
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evangelism for 3ABN.
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We have our dear Shelley Quinn
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who is the pro... I
always... She wears so many hats
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and I always mess up her title.
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OK... what's
your title, Shelley?
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She has all kinds of
them. Research, programming...
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Everything. Thank you.
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Next to Shelley Quinn we
have our dear Pastor C.A. Murray
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who is the general
manager of Proclaim!
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Network Proclaim! And we
have Pastor John Bradshaw
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who is the
director of It Is Written.
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And she always
tells me every time
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that you come on the air
she goes: "I love John Bradshaw!
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He is so good! " I do! She
is a big fan of yours. I am!
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She tries to be cool around you.
She's like: "Hello, Pastor. "
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But when you walk by she's like:
"Oh, I love his preaching! "
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I always thought
she had good judgment.
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That's the thing that impresses
me most. OK. Thank you, Pastor.
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I see you're going to
fit in well here tonight
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with this group, right?
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It's OK to have a
little bit of fun, isn't it?
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Don't you think that we
ought to be as Christians
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and SDA Christians the
happiest people on earth?
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Amen! If we're not
happy, why do people want what
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we're trying to
sell them, right?
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And they don't. So a pastor used
to say: "If you're happy... "
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"Are you happy? " And
the people would say "Yes! "
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He said: "Then let
your face know it. "
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But you're a happy group
here 'cause a lot of these folk
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have come a long way to be here.
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And there's still folks travel-
ing over the next day or so
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that's coming for... We
know people from California
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and Florida and all of those.
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And some of those
we know are traveling
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that far just because
we have Little Richard
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that's going to be here.
And so for those of you at home
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you'll want to watch that too.
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And if you're in driving
distance here in southern IL
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or the tri-state area -
Kentucky, southern Indiana,
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or Missouri - we invite
you to come over on Sabbath.
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Come over any time... but
we're going to have a great day.
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Bro. Bradshaw has a
number of sermons for us.
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We're going to be
blessed by your ministry.
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We have been for a long time.
Thank you for what you do -
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yes - for the cause of
God. And your support always...
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When we ask, he comes.
He doesn't say: "Well pay me
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so much money and I'll
come. " He's never asked
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and I shouldn't have
brought it up... he might now.
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We just try to ignore it
all the time. He comes anyway.
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So we appreciate you for what
you do for the cause of God.
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So... we've got some questions
that came from our audience
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here. And maybe I'll
start out with the first one.
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The first question
was - that we got - says:
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"Where in the Bible... "
'Cause they want to talk to
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some friends... "Where in
the Bible does it talk about
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the rapture? Where in
the Bible does it speak about
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the rapture? " They
want the Bible scriptures.
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It does not speak
about the rapture.
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The Bible doesn't
talk about the rapture?
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No it does not. I know
you went to the seminary
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and you got your degrees, but
most of the Christian world...
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Every time you turn on
these other networks they talk
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about... the pastors are all
talking about... evangelicals,
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everybody... about the secret
rapture. So you're telling us
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there's no even any scriptures
in the Bible to support that.
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No. The closest you
could come to it is Matthew 24.
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And in Matthew 24 if
you take a fairly light look
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it may look like -
um-hmm - the rapture.
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But it is not
speaking about the rapture.
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And I'm in Matthew 24.
We're picking it up at about
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verse 40. "Two men
will be in the field:
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one taken, the other left.
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Two women grinding at the mill:
one taken, the other left. "
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It would almost appear
that that is talking about
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the rapture, but it is
not. That is not the burden
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of that text. The Bible
says: "As the sun shineth into
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the east... from the
east... even unto the west
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so shall the coming
of the Son of Man be. "
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The coming of the Son
of Man will be public.
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It will be
audible; it will be visible.
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It will be worldwide
and it's going to be loud!
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So there's no secret rapture.
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Nobody's being
spirited away quietly.
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That is not a Bible
doctrine. In fact, if I may,
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the passage that you're
quoting, rather than supporting
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the idea of a secret rapture
does exactly the opposite.
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Exactly the opposite.
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So the best thing we can do
with any text in the Bible is
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read it in its context. "As
it was in the days of Noah... "
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How many weren't on the ark
in Noah's day? Lots and lots.
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What happened to
them? Nothing good.
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What happened to those who
were saved? They were saved.
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So it's such a great
passage that you looked at
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because rather than
supporting this un-Biblical idea
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it does exactly the opposite.
And the wonderful thing about it
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is Jesus said to us:
"Be ye also ready. " Amen!
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Just be ready. We
have nothing to fear.
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Whether you believe
the secret rapture or not
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you can have security...
the security of the believer.
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When you are given to Christ,
you don't have to believe in...
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in a false version of
the second coming of Jesus
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or the return of
Jesus to have security.
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We can be secure
tonight. He is yours.
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You are His. You are ready
to go when He comes for you.
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Amen! Praise the
Lord for that. Amen!
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As someone who came
out of that teaching
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we used to use I
John 4 and verse 17.
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"Then we who are alive
and remain will be caught up
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together with Him in the clouds
to meet the Lord in the air.
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And thus... " I
Thessalonians. What did I say?
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You said I John. I Thessalonians
4:16 and 17 you want.
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I guess I can't
read. I Thessalonians 4:16.
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But it says before that
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that the Lord is going
to descend with a shout.
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You know... with the
voice of the archangel.
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So there's
nothing secret about it.
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I'll tell you: people who
believe in the secret rapture
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what they do is
cherry-pick scriptures.
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And if you read the
scriptures in context
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just as you said then there's no
way to support a secret rapture.
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One guy was reading and he said:
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"What do you think about
this? Two men will be in a bed.
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One'll be taken,
the other left behind. "
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I said: "If two men's in a
bed they're probably neither one
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going. " So... I don't know.
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This isn't live, is
it? Is this a live program?
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Can we strike that?
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It's out there.
Pastor John says: "It's out
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there... it's too
late. " Sorry about that.
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So it would be correct...
I'm just going to ask him this.
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It would be correct to say
that I believe in a rapture.
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Right? We're talking the
difference between a secret...
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Right? Would I be
correct in saying that?
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So we believe in a
rapture in a sense, correct?
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But it's actually a
secret rapture is what we don't
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believe in. Is that correct?
If you're defining rapture
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in it's - dare I
say - "naked" form. Yes.
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As being caught up, then
we do believe in a rapture.
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"For the Lord Himself shall
descend from heaven with a shout
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with the voice of the
archangel, trumpet of God.
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And the dead in Christ will rise
first. " So they are going to be
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caught up. "Then we which
are alive and remain shall be
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caught up together with
them to meet them in the clouds
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and so shall we
ever be with the Lord. "
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So there IS a being caught up.
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But it ain't
secret. That's right!
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That's right. As a
matter of fact, David says:
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"Our Lord shall come
and shall NOT keep silent. "
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So the not keep silent
means He's not sneaking back.
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You know, the most
amazing event of all the ages
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is the second coming of Jesus.
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And He made it very
clear. In John 14:1-3 He says:
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"And if I go and
prepare a place for you,
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I will come
again and receive you
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so that where I am
there you may be also. "
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And as many of you know,
the Bible was not written in
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divisions like
chapter 12, 13, and 14.
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Because just in chapter
13 He says: "Where I am going
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you cannot come. " Did
you hear what I just said?
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"Where I'm going
you cannot come. "
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"So for that reason I will
come again and receive you. "
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That's the context
of the writing of John.
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"You can't come... but
I will come and get you. "
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So that's the
climax of the ages:
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Jesus coming back. And
He says in Revelation 1:7
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"Behold He is coming
with clouds, and every eye
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will see Him. " Nothing secret.
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So "non-secret" that
all the tribes of the earth
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will mourn because of Him.
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And every one of them will
mourn because they see Him.
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Revelation 6 says those who
see Him will run to the rocks
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and the mountains
trying to hide FROM Him.
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But the Christian will
be caught up to meet Him
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in the air. And if we're
going to be caught up together
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with the dead who are raised
and the living who did not die,
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if we're caught up to meet
Him then we haven't met Him
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until that moment.
OK... just to follow up.
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That's such a popular
teaching all around the world.
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So where did it come from?
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If it's not in the
Bible, where did it come from?
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Well, two Jesuits
- two Roman Jesuits -
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two theologians: Francisco
Ribera and Luis de Alcazar -
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preterists and futurists -
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were commissioned to find a
way to get the eyes of the...
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of the people of the Dark
Ages or the Medieval times
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off of the... off of Rome.
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Because all of the Reformers
as we were talking about today
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Pastor Bradshaw and I were
talking. All the Reformers knew
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the position of Bible prophecy
and that it pointed to Rome as
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the antichrist system.
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So to get them off
of the eyes of Rome
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they came up with futurism.
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And the rapture was
the significant portion of
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Francisco Ribera's
rendition that in the future
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there is going to be a
tribulation. And just before
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the tribulation the church
is going to be snatched away
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and the antichrist is
going to be established.
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That's where it came from.
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And National Geographic
did a program about 8 years ago
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I refer to this on
this specific teaching.
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And they said: "Millions
of Christians have embraced
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the teaching that has
no Biblical foundation. "
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And then, of course, they've
got modern-day legs with -
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Boy, I'm having
a senior moment -
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the fellow who did the
Left Behind series. Yeah, yeah.
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With Tim LaHaye. But people
forget that that was a novel.
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It was not
intended to be Bible truth.
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But people took it as Bible
truth but it is not Bible truth.
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OK, next
question. Let's move on.
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I know we are to
pray for the Holy Spirit
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but is there any
scripture or counsel praying TO
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the Holy Spirit? So is
there any scripture or counsel
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about praying
to the Holy Spirit?
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The reason we're all looking...
because the answer is NO!
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There is no counsel in the Bible
to pray to... We pray to the
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Father in the name of Jesus.
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Now Romans 8 tells us
that our prayers are aided
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by the Holy Spirit.
There are moans and groanings
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done that assist our prayers
in making them presentable
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and giving them
unction in heaven.
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But we don't pray to the
Spirit... we pray to the Father
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in the name of Jesus.
But I have to confess that
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every morning as I
pray for the Holy Spirit
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and ask the Lord
to fill me afresh.
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You know, we are leaky
vessels. Would you agree?
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And so you don't just
pray for the Holy Spirit once.
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In Luke 11:13 Jesus said
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to ask and keep on... Well
Luke 11:9 and 13... He said:
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"Ask and keep on asking;
seek and keep on seeking;
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knock and keep on knocking. "
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And then He goes
on to say in verse 13:
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"If you - being evil -
know how to give good gifts
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to your children, how much more
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will the heavenly Father
give the Holy Spirit to those
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who ask and keep on asking. "
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So I pray every morning
because it's like, you know,
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the American Express
commercial that says:
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"Don't leave home without it. "
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I don't want to
leave home without Him.
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So I pray and ask the
Father. And I confess that
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then I always ask the
Lord: "Help me to open my heart
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to receive Your
Spirit... a fresh infilling. "
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And then I say: "Holy
Spirit, I welcome You. "
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I'm not really praying to Him
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but I'm just saying:
"Holy Spirit, I welcome You"
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'cause I want
Him to feel welcome.
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The Holy Spirit is very active
in the life of the Christian.
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You know, Jesus said:
"It is expedient that I go.
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If I do not go,
He will not come. "
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So we're not speaking about a
rendition or a version of Jesus
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because He says:
"It's necessary that I go.
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If I don't go,
He will not come. "
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But the Spirit also has...
And we don't often refer to
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the Spirit as an Intercessor,
but He does have an intercessory
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role. In Romans
8:26 you know we say
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"And we know that all
things work together for good. "
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You know that text?
Romans 8 verse? Twenty-eight.
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Look at Romans 8 verse 26
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because we pray and this is
the work that the Holy Spirit is
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often not even credited for.
But the Bible says in verse 26
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"Likewise, the Spirit also helps
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in our weakness, for we do
not know what we should pray for
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as we ought. But the Spirit
Himself makes intercession
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for us with groanings
which cannot be uttered. "
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So the Holy Spirit... When we
pray... You know, have you ever
00:14:49.48\00:14:52.55
prayed a prayer and you didn't
even know what you prayed for?
00:14:52.75\00:14:54.49
Come on. You wonder:
"What did I pray for? "
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And it gets answered
anyway because the Spirit
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takes that prayer and says:
"That's not what Shelley meant.
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This is really
what she needs, Lord. "
00:15:05.03\00:15:06.77
And He intercedes.
And it says in verse 27
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"Now He who searches the
heart knows what the mind of the
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Spirit is because He makes
intercession for the saints. "
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Watch this. And I
know where this is going
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because there's a big
controversy about the Spirit.
00:15:19.11\00:15:20.95
The Spirit is
referred to as having a mind.
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The Spirit is
referred to as an Intercessor
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and the Spirit is
referred to as He.
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So you can't have a force
with a mind, who intercedes
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and is referred to in the
definitive context of a He...
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Pastor Bradshaw. Let me
add something. You mentioned...
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You eluded to this and
I just can't help myself.
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It's so fascinating to me
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that we see attacks...
doctrinal attacks... on things
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that we figured out,
that we settled years ago.
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Amen! I just want to appeal
to the troublemakers among us
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and to the folks who just
can't help but picking this...
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picking scabs off.
00:16:05.13\00:16:06.46
Listen: we settled long
ago that the Holy Spirit is
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and that the Holy
Spirit is a person.
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Has personality. Jesus
referred to Him as "He"
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more times than I've ever done.
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It's settled! If
you're not happy with that,
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for goodness sake, don't try and
make other people as miserable
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as you are about it.
Don't be getting around a church
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trying to get up an insurrec-
tion, trying to start a war.
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Trying to be that divisive...
You're just letting the devil
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use you for that.
This thing is done.
00:16:36.86\00:16:39.73
Please just don't. Find another
battle worthy of your endeavors.
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We've got too much of
this plague in the church
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and folks smart enough to know
better are getting sucked away
00:16:47.67\00:16:50.77
because for reasons I
don't understand they're opening
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their hearts up to voices
they shouldn't be open to.
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So we've got it
settled. Jesus made it clear.
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The Bible is clear. If
you are smarter than God,
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you probably need to
be in your own church
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'cause there's no
one else as smart as you.
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So thanks for respecting
the status quo on this subject
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because it's
settled and we believe it!
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Let me address
this very quickly now.
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Very quickly, and I've
gotta make a confession
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because just this week I
was out with Jason Bradley
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and Irma and a
fellow attacked me -
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former Adventist -
on the Holy Spirit.
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And he kept saying: "It's
a force... it's a force. "
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And I've gotta apologize...
I kind of lost my cool and
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I called him Darth Vader. I said
"You know, you're Darth Vader,
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man. You're turning
this into Star Wars. "
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The Holy Spirit is not a force!
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It is a person with
a personality. Amen!
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The early
pioneers wrestled with this
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but praise God
they got it right. Yes!
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And we don't need to re-litigate
the doctrine of the Holy Spirit.
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Amen! I just have to say:
if you want to know who the
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Holy Spirit is, when
Jesus said in John 14:15
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"If you love Me,
keep My commandments
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and I will give you
another Comforter... "
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speaking of
sending the Holy Spirit...
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In the Greek, there's
two words for another.
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One means that it's something
similar. Like I could say
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"Would you like another
piece of fruit? I have a bowl
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of fruit. It's not
like what you just ate. "
00:18:19.63\00:18:22.13
But this word is allos,
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and that means one
that is identical. Hmm.
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So He is saying: "I will
give you allos Parakletos:
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One who is identical to Me. "
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And as you said:
I had someone say
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"He's just a
Spirit... He's just a force. "
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The Bible says God is a Spirit.
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Amen! OK... all right.
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Here is a
question from the audience.
00:18:49.89\00:18:52.26
It says: "The Bible says
don't worry about tomorrow.
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So as a Christian, is
it Biblical to formulate
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ten- or twenty-year
plans? And if it is Biblical,
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how far is it OK to
pursue a future goal
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if God has told you that
you currently are exactly
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where He wants you to be? "
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Now, my comment on
this - not an answer...
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this was written
by a young person.
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When they say "formulate
ten, twenty years ahead"
00:19:14.55\00:19:17.69
those of us my age... we're
looking at the funeral homes.
00:19:17.89\00:19:21.12
We're thumbing through
the funeral homes on Google.
00:19:21.32\00:19:23.73
We're looking at insurance plans
00:19:23.93\00:19:27.90
and we're looking
at all kinds of things.
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So this was written by
a young... Who wrote this?
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Somebody put their
hand up. I know they did.
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I know this is a young person.
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But anyway... No,
it's a good question
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because you say: "Well, if
we don't worry about tomorrow
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well how far can
I plan in advance? "
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Well the word... The
key is "don't worry. "
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I always say: "Worry is
worship to the wrong God. "
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If you worry, then you
don't believe that the Lord
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has for you.. Get
this: is tomorrow the future?
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It is. He says: "I
have for you a future
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and a hope. " Now to plan...
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We ought to plan as
though the Lord will never come
00:20:04.27\00:20:06.97
and live as though He
is on His way tomorrow.
00:20:07.17\00:20:09.80
So this... Planning is not...
We ought to not live our lives
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the Bible says -
David, the Psalmist, says -
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"Do not be
slothful in business. "
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And so when you have a
plan it doesn't mean that you're
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living by the
seat of your pants.
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It means you have
a forecasting goal.
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"But submit all your plans" as
Ellen White says "to the Lord. "
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He'll change them if they're
not in harmony with His will.
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But you don't have to
worry. That's the key.
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Good! 'Cause that's
great. Doesn't say don't plan
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for the future... says
"don't worry about the future. "
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And I don't know
the scripture reference,
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so ya'll have to look it
up yourself, but in Proverbs
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it says that plans that
are committed to the Lord
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succeed. And you know,
the thing that we need to do -
00:20:48.78\00:20:52.61
to remember in
our planning - is that
00:20:52.81\00:20:55.78
we need to be
praying and asking God
00:20:56.18\00:20:59.29
for His direction...
for that heavenly wisdom,
00:20:59.49\00:21:03.26
the uncommon wisdom from above.
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And I think that it only
makes good sense to plan.
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OK. You know, I have
to confess something here.
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So Pastor, Shelley
talking about worry...
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So I worried. I worried
who I was going to marry.
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I had no fear, did I? as
to who I was going to marry
00:21:20.81\00:21:23.24
because God gave me Jill.
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So you know, it's easy to
think about... What was that?
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No, no, not today.
What did he say? Oh, OK.
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I don't think he said anything.
I said: "Praise the Lord! "
00:21:32.35\00:21:35.52
Amen... Amen. He said:
"She should have worried. "
00:21:35.72\00:21:38.53
What's my comeback on that?
00:21:41.86\00:21:44.53
I thought I had
a friend over here.
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You do, Pastor. I have a friend
but not a partner in crime.
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I need a comeback on
this. OK. So but I think about
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the ten virgins. You know, they
were asked... Some had extra
00:21:53.68\00:21:57.38
and some didn't. I also
think about the talents,
00:21:57.58\00:22:00.35
right? They didn't
just sit on the talents.
00:22:00.55\00:22:02.68
They actually did something
with the talents is what they're
00:22:03.08\00:22:04.95
supposed to have done. So I
believe you're supposed to plan
00:22:05.15\00:22:07.32
but also not become attached
to what you're planning for.
00:22:07.72\00:22:10.43
You know, because
it's easy to then put
00:22:10.83\00:22:12.46
everything into it. And that's
what your mind thinks about.
00:22:12.66\00:22:14.53
You're attached to
it... you won't let go.
00:22:14.73\00:22:16.56
I think the Lord
wants us to plan.
00:22:16.77\00:22:18.27
He doesn't want us to
worry about it, that's for sure.
00:22:18.47\00:22:20.54
But I believe God
wants us to plan, but again
00:22:20.74\00:22:22.20
I guess keep our mind on heaven.
00:22:22.40\00:22:25.21
You know, in the book Evangelism
Ellen White makes a statement
00:22:25.71\00:22:29.14
and it appertains
particularly to evangelism
00:22:29.34\00:22:33.05
but it can be
extrapolated to our life.
00:22:33.25\00:22:35.05
She says that we should
not expect the blessings of God
00:22:35.25\00:22:38.45
unless we mature wise plans.
00:22:38.65\00:22:41.52
She said if you fail to plan
00:22:41.72\00:22:43.12
that in the harvest you
will find your field barren.
00:22:43.32\00:22:45.96
We used to say:
"God don't bless mess. "
00:22:46.96\00:22:49.16
So if you want
God to bless plan,
00:22:49.56\00:22:52.93
make your plan, work
your plan. Submit it to God
00:22:53.13\00:22:56.57
and God can bless it.
But if you don't plan,
00:22:56.97\00:22:59.44
you're really
destining yourself for failure.
00:22:59.64\00:23:01.91
Yeah, just quick.
If you're not planning,
00:23:02.11\00:23:03.55
you're never going to
make it to medical school.
00:23:03.75\00:23:05.28
You've got to figure that out
early and start working towards
00:23:05.48\00:23:07.92
a goal. If you don't
plan, you will never own a house
00:23:08.12\00:23:10.89
because you aren't
planning for the future.
00:23:11.19\00:23:13.36
If you aren't planning, then
you won't have health insurance
00:23:13.56\00:23:16.02
or flood insurance because
you never planned for that sort
00:23:16.22\00:23:18.59
of thing way in
advance. You go ahead and plan
00:23:18.79\00:23:20.76
all you need to, but
be cognizant of the fact
00:23:20.96\00:23:24.33
what you want to do is follow
God's leading for your life.
00:23:24.53\00:23:27.67
So you plan... you think. I
planned way into the future.
00:23:28.07\00:23:31.67
I've got eternity...
I'm planning for eternity.
00:23:32.07\00:23:35.64
So... you know...
be careful with that.
00:23:36.04\00:23:38.38
The apostle Paul -
II Corinthians 1:17,
00:23:38.58\00:23:40.82
he talks about planning.
He says: "Therefore... "
00:23:40.98\00:23:42.72
speaking about the
journey through Macedonia...
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He said: "Therefore
when I was planning this
00:23:45.09\00:23:47.66
did I do it
lightly? Or the things I plan
00:23:47.96\00:23:51.13
do I plan
according to the flesh? "
00:23:51.33\00:23:53.19
He talked about plans.
00:23:53.40\00:23:54.73
When he went throughout
his journey through Asia Minor
00:23:54.76\00:23:57.83
he planned his stops.
00:23:58.03\00:24:00.17
He did not plan it
lightly but he did have plans.
00:24:00.37\00:24:02.80
Come to think of it, God plans.
00:24:03.20\00:24:07.34
He said: "I know the
plans I have for you.
00:24:07.54\00:24:10.61
Plans to give you a
hope and a future. "
00:24:10.81\00:24:13.42
So this is something that
if God created us in His image
00:24:13.82\00:24:18.09
and He plans I think He has
given us the ability to plan
00:24:18.29\00:24:22.72
as we seek His counsel.
00:24:22.92\00:24:25.09
That's right! Good!
Which book of the Bible
00:24:25.29\00:24:28.46
resonates with
you the most? And why.
00:24:28.66\00:24:31.20
Romans. Isaiah.
OK... tell us why.
00:24:33.50\00:24:37.41
Romans because if we had
no other book in the Bible
00:24:38.37\00:24:42.84
Romans gives us the
entire plan of salvation.
00:24:43.85\00:24:47.48
Of justification by
faith, sanctification by faith.
00:24:47.68\00:24:51.35
Romans is a book that
speaks to me so deeply
00:24:52.55\00:24:57.63
that I can almost
weep when I'm reading it.
00:24:57.79\00:24:59.93
But Romans is
probably my favorite.
00:25:00.13\00:25:03.16
I said Isaiah because in Isaiah
we see God on the stretch.
00:25:04.43\00:25:08.34
You see a God who is almost
desperate to save His people.
00:25:08.54\00:25:11.11
He's tried
blessing; He's tried cursing.
00:25:11.51\00:25:13.48
He's tried helping;
He's tried spanking;
00:25:13.68\00:25:15.64
He's tried
giving them compliments.
00:25:15.84\00:25:17.48
You see a God who
loves His people so much,
00:25:17.88\00:25:20.12
who is being rejected so much...
but all He can do is love them.
00:25:20.32\00:25:23.79
He says in one passage: "OK, I'm
not going to hear your prayers
00:25:23.99\00:25:27.92
any more. Don't pray to Me.
00:25:28.12\00:25:29.46
When you pray I will laugh,
I will turn My back on you. "
00:25:29.59\00:25:31.83
"I'm done with
you... I'm through with you.
00:25:32.03\00:25:33.83
I'm just done! Oh, by
the way... I love you. "
00:25:34.03\00:25:37.30
You know, so you see
this almost schizophrenic God
00:25:37.50\00:25:40.14
who loves His people so
much that He will do anything,
00:25:40.34\00:25:43.30
go to any length to save them
00:25:43.51\00:25:46.07
and to bring them to Himself.
00:25:46.27\00:25:47.61
Years ago I did a sermon
"The Best Book Ever Written"
00:25:48.31\00:25:50.91
and I said: "The best book
ever written is not the Bible. "
00:25:51.11\00:25:53.28
And people said: "What? "
00:25:53.68\00:25:55.25
The best book ever
written is not the Bible.
00:25:55.65\00:25:57.69
And I say that again:
"The best book ever written
00:25:57.89\00:26:00.76
to me is the Book of Life. "
00:26:00.96\00:26:02.42
OK... wow... all right.
00:26:02.82\00:26:04.93
Amen. Amen?
00:26:05.13\00:26:07.03
Because when we no
longer need the written word
00:26:07.23\00:26:11.33
we're going to meet
The Living Word. OK.
00:26:11.53\00:26:13.44
And we'll only meet The Living
Word not because my name is
00:26:13.64\00:26:16.20
in this book - OK - but
because my name is in THAT book.
00:26:16.40\00:26:19.71
Amen! And so, if I
were to answer the question
00:26:19.91\00:26:22.04
as we have... Romans.
Shelley, I must agree with you.
00:26:22.24\00:26:24.28
Romans. And
another one is Philippians.
00:26:24.48\00:26:26.78
Philippians is
the athlete's book.
00:26:26.98\00:26:28.38
If you ever feel
like you can't make it,
00:26:28.58\00:26:30.29
just read all four chapters in
Philippians and you'll be ready
00:26:30.49\00:26:32.85
to run a marathon. Amen!
00:26:33.05\00:26:34.49
It's interesting that you
say that. I cannot tell you what
00:26:34.69\00:26:36.19
book resonates with me the most.
00:26:36.59\00:26:38.23
The gospel of John speaks to
me in a way that no other book
00:26:38.43\00:26:41.00
of the Bible does. But
funny you should say that, John.
00:26:41.20\00:26:42.80
Philippians for me.
00:26:43.20\00:26:44.67
Because Philippians is the
book... You read that through
00:26:44.87\00:26:47.34
and it's righteousness by faith.
00:26:47.54\00:26:49.10
Philippians 1:6. "He
who has begun a good work
00:26:49.30\00:26:52.07
in you... "
Philippians 2:13. "It is
00:26:52.27\00:26:54.71
God that worketh in you
both to will and to do... "
00:26:54.91\00:26:57.08
And on through the
Bible. Philippians chapter 3
00:26:57.28\00:27:00.35
Paul gives his pedigree, and he
says: "But my own righteousness
00:27:00.55\00:27:03.92
is really nothing. " And
he's reaching out for the
00:27:04.12\00:27:06.72
righteousness of God by faith.
00:27:06.92\00:27:09.12
Philippians chapter 4: "I can
do all things through Christ. "
00:27:09.32\00:27:12.69
It is God who
supplies your need and so on.
00:27:12.89\00:27:14.53
For me that's just a powerful,
powerful, powerful book.
00:27:14.73\00:27:17.13
I love it. OK. Yeah,
I'd have to say it's hard
00:27:17.33\00:27:19.67
for me to put my
finger on just one book
00:27:19.87\00:27:21.50
but I like the book of Psalms.
00:27:21.70\00:27:23.61
That book has encouraged me
thru the years in so many ways.
00:27:23.81\00:27:27.41
I like the book of Psalms.
00:27:27.61\00:27:29.11
Yvonne, what about you?
00:27:29.31\00:27:30.95
Ooh... I didn't know
you were going to ask me.
00:27:31.31\00:27:33.08
I like John - the book
of John - because it is...
00:27:34.88\00:27:40.12
It shows the
compassion of Jesus.
00:27:40.32\00:27:44.09
Um-hmm. So I think
John and I love Isaiah
00:27:44.29\00:27:46.83
because there's so
many beautiful promises.
00:27:47.03\00:27:49.43
"Fear not, for I have
redeemed you. I have called you
00:27:49.63\00:27:51.57
by name... you are Mine. "
00:27:51.77\00:27:53.70
So I love
Isaiah. I love Jeremiah.
00:27:53.90\00:27:57.07
OK... he asked me!
00:27:57.47\00:27:59.51
You asked me! You love
the Bible, right? I do! I do!
00:27:59.71\00:28:02.54
What about you?
00:28:02.74\00:28:04.08
Umm, well, I'm like
you... I have a lot, but John
00:28:04.21\00:28:06.72
because it says things
like "For God so loved the world
00:28:06.92\00:28:09.25
that He gave His
only begotten Son.
00:28:09.45\00:28:11.15
And whosoever believeth
in Him should not perish BUT
00:28:11.35\00:28:14.16
have everlasting
life. " It says things like
00:28:14.36\00:28:16.93
"I go to prepare a
place for you, and if I go
00:28:17.13\00:28:19.46
and prepare a place for you I
will come again and receive you
00:28:19.66\00:28:22.53
unto Myself that where
I am you may be also. "
00:28:22.73\00:28:25.67
So there's so
much of that in there
00:28:25.87\00:28:27.50
I could live on
that if I had to. Yes!
00:28:27.70\00:28:30.34
But thank the Lord we
have the entire Bible.
00:28:30.54\00:28:34.68
Yes! So there's really
not an excuse not to be saved
00:28:34.88\00:28:37.91
because we have what we need.
00:28:38.21\00:28:40.55
When we have the Word of God
- um-hmm - that we can read it.
00:28:40.95\00:28:44.42
That transfers into our
hearts and into our minds
00:28:44.62\00:28:48.09
and we really understand.
For me the big thing was
00:28:48.29\00:28:52.09
I was raised in a
fairly legalistic home.
00:28:52.29\00:28:54.96
It's like you don't do this
on Sabbath... you don't do that
00:28:55.16\00:28:57.07
or I'll wear you
out. That type of thing.
00:28:57.47\00:28:59.10
But it was a lot of legalism.
00:28:59.30\00:29:01.70
Yet my folks loved the Lord and
they did the best they knew how.
00:29:01.90\00:29:04.74
But for me the change came when
I really said: "You know what?
00:29:05.14\00:29:08.68
God has a plan for me.
00:29:09.08\00:29:10.98
God DOES have a plan for me!
00:29:11.38\00:29:13.55
What is it that
I'm supposed to do? "
00:29:13.75\00:29:15.58
So getting out of
high school I ended up...
00:29:15.78\00:29:18.09
I did a little
LPN course for a year.
00:29:18.29\00:29:20.39
I thought: "Well maybe
I want to go to college. "
00:29:20.59\00:29:23.12
I said: "Ah, that's
not for me. " I did that
00:29:23.32\00:29:24.83
then right after that my brother
and I went in construction.
00:29:25.03\00:29:27.30
Then we did some gospel singing.
00:29:27.66\00:29:29.16
And I always knew: "You
know what? I like what I'm doing
00:29:29.56\00:29:31.97
but God has something
for me and this is not it. "
00:29:32.17\00:29:34.94
And then one night in 1984
00:29:35.34\00:29:38.11
November I heard
this thought in my mind.
00:29:38.31\00:29:40.41
This voice said: "I want you
to build a television station
00:29:40.61\00:29:43.21
that would reach the
world with an undiluted
00:29:43.41\00:29:45.65
three angels' messages:
one that would counteract
00:29:45.85\00:29:47.65
the counterfeit. " And
as soon as that happened
00:29:47.85\00:29:50.95
I knew that was it. To
this day I've never doubted it
00:29:51.15\00:29:54.16
and it's made all the
difference in the world
00:29:54.56\00:29:56.22
because God has a plan.
00:29:56.42\00:29:57.76
He has a plan for
each and every one of you.
00:29:57.79\00:29:59.53
Every one of your lives.
You're not here by accident.
00:29:59.93\00:30:02.26
You're not alive in these clos-
ing moments of earth's history.
00:30:02.46\00:30:05.53
God has a plan
for you, and that plan
00:30:05.73\00:30:08.07
is not just to prosper
physically but spiritually
00:30:08.27\00:30:12.07
so that each and every one
of us when we submit and commit
00:30:12.27\00:30:15.34
our lives to the
Lord Jesus Christ
00:30:15.54\00:30:18.11
can live, rule, and
reign with Him forever.
00:30:18.31\00:30:21.28
It's a free gift.
That's why I say it's harder
00:30:21.48\00:30:23.82
to be lost than it
is to be saved. Come on!
00:30:24.02\00:30:26.96
Because with what we
have in our hearts...
00:30:27.16\00:30:29.02
And people today... Thank
you so much for what you said
00:30:29.22\00:30:32.13
while ago: "Look, if you
want to go start your own church
00:30:32.33\00:30:35.20
go start it. " You
know, my uncle used to say:
00:30:35.40\00:30:37.47
"If you don't love
it, leave it. " You know?
00:30:37.67\00:30:39.00
Here's what it is. Don't
try to change everything.
00:30:39.03\00:30:41.67
But thank you so
much for that wisdom
00:30:41.87\00:30:44.21
because we have some truth that
God has given - present truth -
00:30:44.37\00:30:48.54
to us as Seventh-day
Adventist Christians.
00:30:48.74\00:30:50.71
God has people in all churches
00:30:50.91\00:30:52.35
but He's always had
people to give present truth.
00:30:52.55\00:30:55.05
And we have that present truth
and we shouldn't try to dilute
00:30:55.25\00:30:58.15
it. We shouldn't worry
about political correctness.
00:30:58.35\00:31:00.79
We should just tell the truth
because the truth is Jesus.
00:31:01.19\00:31:04.29
Amen! "I am the Way,
the Truth, and the Life. "
00:31:04.49\00:31:05.83
Right? So when we
do that God honors it.
00:31:06.03\00:31:08.66
When you tell the truth...
00:31:09.06\00:31:10.77
When you tell
people your greatest asset
00:31:10.97\00:31:12.93
in your life is what
God has done for you.
00:31:13.13\00:31:15.37
Um-hmm. See, people can
say: "Oh I don't believe.
00:31:15.57\00:31:17.94
There's no God. You
can't convince me. "
00:31:18.14\00:31:20.04
I say: "I don't have to. "
00:31:20.24\00:31:21.58
"Well, there's no God. How
do you know there's a God? "
00:31:21.68\00:31:23.91
I say: "Cause He
lives in my heart. "
00:31:24.11\00:31:25.45
I know that. You know
that: that there is a God.
00:31:25.78\00:31:28.18
So don't let anybody fool you;
don't let anybody mix you up.
00:31:28.38\00:31:31.05
And don't let anybody get
you discouraged, off the track.
00:31:31.45\00:31:34.82
You said it beautifully
while ago. Thank you, Pastor.
00:31:35.02\00:31:36.79
Appreciate it.
Appreciate your wisdom
00:31:36.99\00:31:38.89
and appreciate you
standing up for what is right -
00:31:39.09\00:31:42.36
yes - and what
is truth regardless.
00:31:42.56\00:31:45.37
And all of you do that.
I've seen you through the years.
00:31:45.57\00:31:48.27
It's not always popular to
preach what you folks preach...
00:31:48.47\00:31:51.44
but you do it.
Thank you so much.
00:31:51.64\00:31:53.64
Let's do another question.
00:31:54.04\00:31:55.98
I've got one
while you're looking.
00:31:56.38\00:31:57.71
OK. The Bible says in Psalms:
"The law of the Lord is perfect
00:31:57.85\00:32:01.02
converting the soul.
" But in the other books
00:32:01.22\00:32:04.89
it speaks of the
law as "sin and death. "
00:32:05.09\00:32:09.39
So it says: "Which
Bible verses show me? "
00:32:09.59\00:32:12.19
It says: "How do I know
which law it refers to? "
00:32:12.39\00:32:15.33
"And so how can the
law of the Lord be perfect
00:32:15.73\00:32:18.27
converting the soul when some
scriptures make it look like
00:32:18.47\00:32:22.34
that it's hard? " Well
you know, the law is...
00:32:22.54\00:32:25.24
That's Romans, Shelley, so
I know we're about to explode
00:32:25.44\00:32:27.51
right now. The
law of sin and death
00:32:27.71\00:32:30.15
is not the law of God. Amen!
00:32:30.35\00:32:32.85
The law of the Lord is perfect.
00:32:33.05\00:32:35.08
So it cannot be perfect and
be the law of sin and death.
00:32:35.28\00:32:37.92
The law of sin and death
is the nature of humanity
00:32:38.12\00:32:40.66
that holds us captive.
00:32:41.06\00:32:42.79
Just like gravity
refuses to let anyone go
00:32:42.99\00:32:45.56
we cannot break
the law of gravity.
00:32:45.76\00:32:47.50
When you are under the
control of the old nature
00:32:47.70\00:32:50.83
the law of sin and
death is in control of you.
00:32:51.03\00:32:53.30
But the law of the
spirit of life in Christ Jesus
00:32:53.94\00:32:58.97
has made us free from
the law of sin and death.
00:32:59.47\00:33:02.14
Neither of those is talking
about the Ten Commandments.
00:33:02.54\00:33:04.68
It's just simply talking
about under one you're under
00:33:05.08\00:33:07.92
Satanic control; under the other
you're under spiritual control.
00:33:08.12\00:33:12.05
Not laws... not multiple laws.
00:33:12.45\00:33:15.06
So, no, it's not
talking about the law of God.
00:33:15.46\00:33:17.63
You know, we always talk about
and Pastor John mentioned it
00:33:18.89\00:33:22.13
context. There are five quick
questions when you're doing
00:33:22.33\00:33:25.83
Bible study when you're
trying to make application.
00:33:26.03\00:33:27.47
One: Who said
it? What did he say?
00:33:27.67\00:33:30.77
What did he mean?
Who was his audience?
00:33:30.97\00:33:34.54
Then you make application.
00:33:34.74\00:33:36.08
Which means you've got
to be a slave of context.
00:33:36.28\00:33:39.61
You've gotta look at
the texts that surround it.
00:33:39.81\00:33:41.38
You cannot wrench a
text from its context.
00:33:41.58\00:33:44.52
Then you get a "pretext"
and it's not the real text.
00:33:44.72\00:33:47.29
So you have to
ask: What did he say?
00:33:47.49\00:33:49.92
What did he mean?
Who was he speaking to?
00:33:50.13\00:33:52.53
And then make
application to yourself. OK.
00:33:52.73\00:33:54.60
But I do understand
the confusion. Sometimes
00:33:54.80\00:33:58.23
the Bible will refer
to the first five books
00:33:58.43\00:34:02.84
of Moses as "the law. "
00:34:03.04\00:34:05.91
There is the book of the law
that sometimes people confuse
00:34:06.78\00:34:10.88
with the first 5 books of Moses.
00:34:11.08\00:34:12.91
But the "book of
the law" is Deuteronomy.
00:34:13.11\00:34:15.15
The book of the law was
put on the side of the ark.
00:34:15.35\00:34:19.42
And then it refers to the
Ten Commandments as the law.
00:34:20.39\00:34:24.13
So as you said,
when you're reading
00:34:24.63\00:34:28.36
like in Galatians. When
he is talking about the law
00:34:28.56\00:34:32.77
in Galatians it is so clear
00:34:32.97\00:34:36.24
because he goes on to
say that it has all of these
00:34:36.44\00:34:41.98
curses in it and he quotes ac-
tually from the book of the law,
00:34:42.28\00:34:48.18
from Deuteronomy.
So right away you know
00:34:48.38\00:34:51.09
he's talking about what
was written up and rolled up
00:34:51.29\00:34:54.36
and put on the side of the ark.
00:34:54.56\00:34:57.36
It is important. It's impossible
without looking at the context.
00:34:57.76\00:35:02.53
And one scripture puts it
all together very quickly.
00:35:03.77\00:35:05.77
Romans 7:23. Listen
to this: Or verse 22...
00:35:05.97\00:35:10.71
"For I delight in the law of God
according to the inward man. "
00:35:10.91\00:35:13.78
That's God's law.
That's clear: the commandments.
00:35:14.18\00:35:16.18
Verse 23: "But I see another law
00:35:16.58\00:35:18.81
in my members warring
against the law of my mind
00:35:19.01\00:35:22.12
and bringing me into
captivity to the law of sin
00:35:22.32\00:35:26.09
which is in my members.
" That's the whole... God's
00:35:26.29\00:35:28.92
law, there's nothing
wrong with it. But this nature
00:35:29.12\00:35:31.16
is warring against that.
And it's going to war until I'm
00:35:31.36\00:35:34.03
born again. OK... thank you.
00:35:34.23\00:35:38.43
Will there be
marriage in heaven?
00:35:38.83\00:35:41.17
I had always thought the
answer was not based off of
00:35:41.37\00:35:44.67
Matthew 22:23-33.
00:35:44.87\00:35:48.48
However, I've heard
many conflicting views
00:35:48.68\00:35:51.21
so I'm a bit confused.
00:35:51.41\00:35:53.08
Will there be
marriage in heaven?
00:35:53.28\00:35:54.88
No! Somebody else.
00:35:57.99\00:35:59.75
You know, and backstage
Danny read that question.
00:36:03.46\00:36:05.83
I said: "For the
person that's not married
00:36:06.03\00:36:08.03
they might wait to get to heaven
to marry the perfect person.
00:36:08.23\00:36:10.97
You'll get that on Monday.
00:36:12.27\00:36:13.87
No, no, that's something that's
going to happen down here.
00:36:14.07\00:36:16.91
I'm glad. Like at the
end of my bio I say: "I love
00:36:17.11\00:36:19.77
the Lord, I love my wife,
and I plan on spending eternity
00:36:19.97\00:36:23.21
with both of them. "
Like Greg you've gotta get
00:36:23.41\00:36:25.45
a wife down
here, right Greg? Amen.
00:36:25.65\00:36:27.62
No wedding ceremonies in heaven.
00:36:28.02\00:36:29.42
No, there won't be
marriage in heaven.
00:36:29.82\00:36:31.62
Jesus was very clear about that.
The Bible speaks about that.
00:36:31.82\00:36:34.52
However... however...
00:36:34.72\00:36:37.96
we mustn't labor under the
misconception that we get to
00:36:38.36\00:36:41.96
heaven and you see your
spouse walking by and you say
00:36:42.16\00:36:45.50
to somebody: "Who's that? "
00:36:45.70\00:36:47.64
"Who is that? Looks familiar. "
00:36:47.84\00:36:49.34
The relationships we establish
on earth are going to be special
00:36:49.74\00:36:52.44
to us in heaven...
MORE special in heaven.
00:36:52.64\00:36:55.71
But you know... this is
the earth, that's heaven.
00:36:55.91\00:36:58.91
There's some... I'm not
going to get too deep into this
00:36:59.11\00:37:02.25
before... I'll let somebody
else get agricultural. But...
00:37:02.45\00:37:05.89
The Bible is really
very clear that in heaven
00:37:07.39\00:37:10.56
as wonderful as marriage is
here what God has for us there
00:37:10.76\00:37:14.96
is better - that's
right - better. I know that's
00:37:15.16\00:37:18.90
impossible for
my wife to imagine.
00:37:19.10\00:37:22.47
But... Oh, that's
good! But it's true.
00:37:22.67\00:37:27.01
You've gotta love this
guy's humility! I love it!
00:37:27.21\00:37:29.04
That's good! I'm proud
of my humility, brother!
00:37:29.24\00:37:31.78
You like that? I do. OK.
00:37:34.72\00:37:37.12
We got that one cleared, right?
00:37:37.32\00:37:38.85
All right... OK.
00:37:39.05\00:37:40.96
All right: Revelation 20:9.
00:37:41.12\00:37:43.93
"Fire came down from God out
of heaven and devoured them. "
00:37:44.99\00:37:47.90
But in so many
places of the Bible
00:37:48.10\00:37:50.37
it talks about the wicked
"will burn forever. " So can you
00:37:50.57\00:37:54.37
help us with that?
00:37:54.77\00:37:56.30
Does that
scripture mean what it says?
00:37:58.97\00:38:01.44
While they're turning I'll just
start and when they catch up
00:38:01.64\00:38:03.78
I'll jump off. They went up
on the breadth of the earth. "
00:38:03.98\00:38:08.02
We know where they
are. They're on the earth.
00:38:08.22\00:38:09.55
The second
resurrection has taken place.
00:38:09.68\00:38:11.39
"and they surround or they
compass the camp of the saints
00:38:11.79\00:38:14.42
about and the Beloved City.
And fire came down from God
00:38:14.62\00:38:17.53
out of heaven
and devoured them. "
00:38:17.73\00:38:20.36
So first you want to ask your-
self the meaning of that word
00:38:20.56\00:38:23.37
devoured. We believe it
means burned and burnt up.
00:38:23.57\00:38:26.63
You would look through...
You would look at Revelation 14:
00:38:27.14\00:38:31.47
"The smoke of their torment
ascended forever and ever. "
00:38:31.77\00:38:34.68
OK... so park that to one side.
00:38:34.88\00:38:36.64
I'm not asking you to forget it.
00:38:36.85\00:38:38.18
But then go to the plethora of
scriptures you find throughout
00:38:38.21\00:38:40.72
the Bible that refer to the
wicked being reduced to ashes.
00:38:40.92\00:38:44.99
Even Satan will
be brought to ashes.
00:38:45.19\00:38:48.12
So you've got a million
texts over here that say
00:38:48.32\00:38:51.63
ashes and you've got
this one or maybe there's two
00:38:51.83\00:38:53.76
that seems to contradict.
00:38:53.96\00:38:56.63
And so one of these bright
individuals to my left and your
00:38:56.83\00:38:59.10
right will take it from there
now they have their microphones
00:38:59.30\00:39:02.07
ready. Well since he
said "bright" I'll try to...
00:39:02.27\00:39:05.37
Amen! You know, I'm
not a Greek scholar, but
00:39:05.57\00:39:10.15
I love studying the Greek.
00:39:10.35\00:39:12.48
And the word everlasting
or eternal in the Greek
00:39:12.88\00:39:17.29
is aionios. And that word
00:39:17.69\00:39:22.62
is interpreted "determined
by what it is modifying. "
00:39:23.63\00:39:29.26
In other words, if I say:
"She is a beautiful woman. "
00:39:29.46\00:39:34.97
Beautiful modifies her.
00:39:35.17\00:39:38.01
If I would say: "He is a
handsome man. " Thank you!
00:39:38.31\00:39:41.64
Yes! That's the
adjective that's modifying.
00:39:41.84\00:39:46.72
So if you use the word aionios
00:39:46.92\00:39:50.55
to modify... if
you're talking about God...
00:39:50.95\00:39:54.06
Because He is an infinite
being it means without end.
00:39:54.26\00:39:59.89
But if you're using the
word to modify a mortal man -
00:40:00.30\00:40:05.27
which the Bible says we're all
mortal... only God is immortal -
00:40:05.67\00:40:09.90
so when it's
modifying a place or a person
00:40:10.31\00:40:15.98
or a thing that has been created
00:40:16.18\00:40:18.78
we're not eternal.
And it simply means
00:40:18.98\00:40:22.48
when it says "everlasting
fire" that it will burn
00:40:22.68\00:40:25.75
until it burns up, until it
accomplishes God's purposes.
00:40:25.95\00:40:30.43
That's why in
Jude when he's saying
00:40:30.63\00:40:32.99
you know that Sodom and
Gomorrah are an example of
00:40:33.19\00:40:36.93
eternal fire. Well, Sodom and
Gomorrah aren't on fire today.
00:40:37.13\00:40:42.30
They're not still burning.
00:40:42.50\00:40:43.84
But it was an unquenchable
fire until it burned it up
00:40:44.11\00:40:49.68
and it came to an end
because it was a mortal object.
00:40:49.88\00:40:55.18
Good! Wonderfully
said! Praise the Lord?
00:40:55.38\00:40:58.22
Amen! Thank you, Shelley,
for that. And the simple fact
00:40:58.42\00:41:01.29
of the matter is: "the
wages of sin is? " "death...
00:41:01.49\00:41:05.86
but the gift of
God is eternal life. "
00:41:06.26\00:41:11.40
So you both can't
have eternal life.
00:41:11.80\00:41:14.90
How could the wicked burn
forever if they cannot live
00:41:15.54\00:41:19.84
forever. That's
a simple deduction.
00:41:20.04\00:41:21.84
Only ones that receive
eternal life are the righteous.
00:41:22.24\00:41:24.61
The wicked don't
receive eternal life.
00:41:25.01\00:41:26.61
They'll be ashes
under the soles of our feet.
00:41:26.82\00:41:29.05
So thank you for
that insight, Shelley.
00:41:29.25\00:41:30.62
That wonderful verse to
remember. The Bible says:
00:41:30.82\00:41:33.46
"He that hath
the Son hath life. "
00:41:33.66\00:41:36.69
A couple of things to remember.
Nobody perishing has the Son
00:41:36.89\00:41:39.96
therefore they cannot
possibly burn forever.
00:41:40.16\00:41:42.43
They would have
eternal life forever.
00:41:42.63\00:41:43.97
It wouldn't be
much of an eternal life.
00:41:44.13\00:41:45.50
But be that as it may,
they would live eternally.
00:41:45.90\00:41:48.27
So we are looking at
this in the very positive now.
00:41:48.47\00:41:51.21
If you have the Son you
have life. If you possess Jesus
00:41:51.41\00:41:54.31
by faith you have
everlasting life by faith.
00:41:54.51\00:41:57.75
God doesn't... What
kind of a tyrant would God be
00:41:58.15\00:42:00.78
if you want to make forever
and ever in that context mean
00:42:00.98\00:42:05.35
without end. The
effects of hell forever and ever
00:42:05.55\00:42:09.52
and ever and ever. If
you had a fence, and 98 posts
00:42:09.72\00:42:13.43
were straight and two
posts were out of line
00:42:13.63\00:42:15.50
you wouldn't dig up
the 98 and move them over.
00:42:15.70\00:42:17.87
You'd figure out
what to do about the two.
00:42:18.07\00:42:19.63
So don't allow one
verse or another verse
00:42:20.04\00:42:22.47
which can clearly be
understood in a certain context
00:42:22.67\00:42:25.14
to shake your understanding
of the myriad verses that
00:42:25.54\00:42:29.14
make it very clear that God's
not a tyrant who would burn
00:42:29.34\00:42:32.51
people forever. Have
Christ and you're clear anyhow.
00:42:32.71\00:42:36.18
Amen! Let me give you a
scripture that absolutely
00:42:36.38\00:42:39.09
supports what he just
said. In I Corinthians 15:51
00:42:39.29\00:42:42.96
Paul writes: "Behold, I tell
you a mystery. We shall not all
00:42:43.36\00:42:46.16
sleep but we should all
be changed. In a moment,
00:42:46.36\00:42:49.23
in the twinkling of an
eye, at the last trumpet.
00:42:49.43\00:42:51.23
For the trumpet will sound
and the dead will be raised
00:42:51.63\00:42:54.47
incorruptible and
we shall be changed.
00:42:54.67\00:42:56.77
For this corruptible
must put on incorruption
00:42:57.17\00:43:00.54
and this mortal
must put on immortality.
00:43:00.94\00:43:05.01
So when the corruptible
has put on incorruption
00:43:05.51\00:43:08.22
and this mortal
has put on immortality
00:43:08.42\00:43:10.79
then shall be brought to
pass the saying that is written:
00:43:10.99\00:43:14.92
'death is
swallowed up in victory. ' "
00:43:15.12\00:43:17.89
So putting your statement
together and your statement
00:43:18.09\00:43:21.46
together: we are
mortal human beings.
00:43:21.66\00:43:25.33
Immortality is the
gift of eternal life.
00:43:25.73\00:43:29.64
I John 5:10. "He who has the Son
00:43:29.84\00:43:32.81
has life and he who
does not have the Son
00:43:33.01\00:43:36.14
does not. "
Only the righteous...
00:43:36.34\00:43:39.21
This is the first resurrection
that we're talking about
00:43:39.41\00:43:42.25
in I Corinthians 15. Only
the righteous get the gift
00:43:42.45\00:43:46.69
of immortality, not the evil.
00:43:46.89\00:43:51.03
I like actually John 3:16.
00:43:51.23\00:43:53.63
We all know that, don't we?
00:43:53.83\00:43:55.16
John 3:16 say: "For
God so loved the world
00:43:55.20\00:43:57.57
that He gave His
only begotten Son
00:43:57.77\00:43:59.63
that whosoever
believeth in Him... "
00:43:59.83\00:44:01.47
Should not smolder?
00:44:01.87\00:44:03.24
"Should not perish...
" Key: "should not perish
00:44:03.64\00:44:07.38
but have everlasting life. "
00:44:07.78\00:44:10.01
So to me...
perishing? You're dead.
00:44:10.41\00:44:12.41
This is why what you believe,
what your church teaches,
00:44:12.81\00:44:15.22
is so very,
very important. Amen!
00:44:15.42\00:44:17.22
You start out in
the book of Genesis
00:44:17.62\00:44:19.59
and if you believe man is
given a soul that never dies
00:44:19.79\00:44:23.02
then you put yourself in a box
and then all of your doctrines
00:44:23.22\00:44:25.89
have to accrue
from that one mistake
00:44:26.09\00:44:28.13
and you can never get right.
So if the soul never dies,
00:44:28.33\00:44:31.63
when the body dies you've
got to put that soul someplace
00:44:31.83\00:44:34.60
for eternity. So
you make God a liar
00:44:34.80\00:44:37.01
and an evil person because
since the soul never dies
00:44:37.21\00:44:39.71
you've gotta burn it forever.
00:44:39.91\00:44:41.24
So when you start out
wrong... doctrinally...
00:44:41.44\00:44:44.08
very difficult to get right.
00:44:44.58\00:44:45.91
And then you get
worse and worse and worse
00:44:46.08\00:44:48.18
and your doctrines
actually deface the image
00:44:48.38\00:44:50.99
of a loving God. Just
one last thought from me
00:44:51.19\00:44:53.32
at least on this: we
started in Revelation chapter 20
00:44:53.52\00:44:56.22
and I kind of broke the stated
rule here about looking at
00:44:56.42\00:44:59.46
things in context. Verse
9: "Fire came down from God
00:44:59.66\00:45:03.26
out of heaven
and devoured them. "
00:45:03.47\00:45:04.87
Verse 14, same passage:
00:45:05.07\00:45:07.44
"Death and hell were
cast into the lake of fire.
00:45:07.64\00:45:09.80
This is the
second death. " Amen!
00:45:10.01\00:45:12.44
So you don't have in Revelation
chapter 20 people burning
00:45:12.64\00:45:15.04
on and on forever. It's a death.
00:45:15.24\00:45:17.61
So now that we
understand that theologically
00:45:17.81\00:45:21.02
or intellectually, let's be
sure that we experience this
00:45:21.22\00:45:23.55
on the right
side of the equation
00:45:23.75\00:45:25.32
and possess Jesus
Christ in our hearts by faith.
00:45:25.52\00:45:28.16
One thing to know it.
We can experience it now:
00:45:28.36\00:45:30.53
the joy of
salvation through Jesus.
00:45:30.73\00:45:32.33
OK... last...
probably last question
00:45:32.73\00:45:35.60
when you hear it. We may
not have time for any more.
00:45:36.00\00:45:39.57
Adventists seem to be very
balanced except when it comes
00:45:39.97\00:45:44.17
to the Seventh-day Sabbath.
00:45:44.37\00:45:46.34
Why do they go "overboard"
and preach the Sabbath so much?
00:45:46.54\00:45:50.58
We're unbalanced?
00:45:54.02\00:45:55.35
No... you're
unbalanced. I'm not... I'm fine.
00:45:55.52\00:45:57.59
No... no... they
said: "Adventists
00:45:57.75\00:46:00.96
seem to be balanced except... "
00:46:03.29\00:46:07.46
OK. Isaiah 58 verse
12: "They that shall be of
00:46:08.40\00:46:11.83
Thee... " Watch this: it's a
commission; it's not an option.
00:46:12.03\00:46:17.54
"They that shall be of Thee... "
00:46:18.84\00:46:21.21
This is what God has
commissioned us to do...
00:46:21.41\00:46:23.04
"shall build up
the old way's places;
00:46:23.24\00:46:26.31
shall raise up the
foundation of many generations.
00:46:26.51\00:46:30.49
They shall be
called... " THEY...
00:46:30.79\00:46:33.09
"shall be called the
repairers of the breach,
00:46:33.29\00:46:35.29
the restorers of
paths to dwell in. "
00:46:35.49\00:46:37.99
So we are called. "We
shall build up, raise up,
00:46:38.19\00:46:40.50
repair and restore.
God has called us to
00:46:40.70\00:46:42.90
build up, raise
up, repair, and restore
00:46:43.10\00:46:44.93
what has been
trampled and broken down.
00:46:45.13\00:46:46.67
So we're not overboard.
We're saying: "But this has been
00:46:47.07\00:46:50.31
broken down. We
have to raise it up,
00:46:50.51\00:46:52.41
build it up,
repair it and restore it.
00:46:52.61\00:46:54.74
So we're not overboard.
We're just simply saying
00:46:54.94\00:46:56.71
When God said
"remember" and man said "forget"
00:46:56.91\00:47:00.18
we're saying
remember. GOD said remember!
00:47:00.58\00:47:02.72
What amazes me is Lot
said... "Remember Lot's wife"
00:47:02.92\00:47:05.55
and nobody argues that.
00:47:05.75\00:47:07.39
Solomon said: "Remember
the Creator in the days of
00:47:09.46\00:47:12.49
your youth. " Everybody
says: "Listen to Solomon. "
00:47:12.69\00:47:15.33
"Listen to Dr.
Luke but ignore God. "
00:47:15.73\00:47:19.47
We're saying: "No, don't
ignore anybody INCLUDING God! "
00:47:20.27\00:47:23.74
Amen! So we may sound
like we're going "overboard"
00:47:23.94\00:47:27.48
but we are... we are, and
I'm going to use this word:
00:47:27.68\00:47:30.41
we are soldiers of the cross.
00:47:30.61\00:47:32.48
We are saying:
"Remember what He said
00:47:32.68\00:47:34.65
'cause Dr. Luke don't
have a heaven to put you in
00:47:34.85\00:47:37.02
and neither does Solomon. "
00:47:37.22\00:47:38.55
But God does. You can't
forget what God said "remember"
00:47:38.72\00:47:41.46
and still be saved. So
we're not going overboard.
00:47:41.66\00:47:44.16
We're trying to get on
board and trying to help others
00:47:44.36\00:47:46.39
get on board. Amen!
OK. I like that, Danny.
00:47:46.59\00:47:49.76
You have so many people
00:47:50.17\00:47:53.74
who, and you have to
say it kindly, got it wrong.
00:47:53.94\00:47:57.01
So when you have such an
overwhelming tide of error
00:47:57.41\00:48:01.01
truth has to push back hard.
00:48:01.41\00:48:03.21
Right. That's the
only way you can do it.
00:48:03.41\00:48:04.75
"If thou turn away thy
foot from the Sabbath, "
00:48:04.78\00:48:06.61
two verses after
yours, John... right...
00:48:06.82\00:48:08.38
"and call the Sabbath a
delight, holy of the Lord,
00:48:08.58\00:48:10.35
honorable... and shall honor
Him not doing thine own..."
00:48:10.55\00:48:15.06
It's God's holy day.
00:48:15.26\00:48:17.19
And God says: "If you
will do this, I will cause thee
00:48:17.39\00:48:20.76
to ride upon the
high places of the earth
00:48:21.06\00:48:23.26
and feed thee with the
heritage of Jacob thy father
00:48:23.47\00:48:26.70
for the mouth of the
Lord hath spoken it. "
00:48:26.90\00:48:29.07
God has put some
promises in keeping the Sabbath
00:48:29.27\00:48:31.67
that you can enjoy no
other way on no other day
00:48:31.87\00:48:35.41
than on the Sabbath Day. So
when you have something good
00:48:35.61\00:48:38.61
and you're a honest, loving
person you want to share it.
00:48:39.01\00:48:41.82
That's why we push so hard:
because we've got something good
00:48:42.22\00:48:44.15
and "I've got it good; I
want you to have it good also. "
00:48:44.35\00:48:47.19
Amen! I just want to read from
I John chapter 2 verses 3-4.
00:48:47.39\00:48:52.69
And John writes: "Now by
this we know that we know Him:
00:48:52.89\00:48:57.73
if we keep His commandments.
00:48:57.93\00:49:00.04
He who says 'I know Him' and
does not keep His commandments
00:49:00.24\00:49:04.74
is a liar and the
truth is not in him. "
00:49:04.94\00:49:07.94
When the Lord called
me to full-time ministry
00:49:08.38\00:49:11.15
He impressed upon my mind:
"Forget what you think you know;
00:49:12.01\00:49:14.82
come sit at My feet
and I will teach you. "
00:49:15.02\00:49:16.99
Boy, I argued against
the seventh-day Sabbath.
00:49:17.52\00:49:20.42
I had all the answers.
00:49:20.96\00:49:22.62
As a matter of fact, I
almost... An Adventist pastor
00:49:22.82\00:49:26.26
who was a friend of my husband's
told me I almost convinced him.
00:49:26.46\00:49:29.96
I said: "Then you don't
understand the new covenant. "
00:49:30.37\00:49:36.07
See... I just
have to say this...
00:49:36.47\00:49:39.51
the unifying theme of scripture
00:49:40.98\00:49:43.58
is that our God is a covenant-
making, covenant-keeping God.
00:49:43.78\00:49:48.38
And all of His covenants are
a progressive revelation of God.
00:49:48.98\00:49:53.82
And when He came
down the old covenant...
00:49:54.22\00:49:57.99
if you read through
Exodus and look for it...
00:49:58.19\00:50:00.60
you will see that God remembered
the everlasting covenant
00:50:00.80\00:50:05.53
that He had made with Abraham.
00:50:05.73\00:50:07.74
He remembered and
He rescued His people.
00:50:07.94\00:50:11.37
And then He re-introduced
to them and re-stated
00:50:11.77\00:50:15.78
these ten promises.
These are covenant promises.
00:50:15.98\00:50:20.88
Our covenant-keeping God
wants us to come into covenant
00:50:21.28\00:50:25.09
relationship with
Him. And as I studied
00:50:25.29\00:50:28.69
and when I became convinced that
what was nailed to the cross
00:50:28.89\00:50:32.93
was not the Ten Commandments.
00:50:33.13\00:50:35.20
I studied... God took me
on a study of the sanctuary
00:50:35.40\00:50:39.53
and it was so beautiful!
The Sabbath changed my life.
00:50:39.93\00:50:44.97
It changed my physical life;
00:50:45.17\00:50:47.78
it changed my spiritual life.
00:50:47.98\00:50:50.18
I am absolutely convinced...
You know I'm a workaholic.
00:50:50.38\00:50:53.08
I'm absolutely convinced
that without a Sabbath rest
00:50:53.48\00:50:56.75
I would already
probably be in the grave.
00:50:56.95\00:50:58.95
But it changed my spiritual life
00:50:59.35\00:51:02.92
because I hold fast
00:51:03.12\00:51:07.73
to Exodus 31:13
00:51:07.93\00:51:09.86
that the Sabbath is a
sign that God is the One
00:51:10.07\00:51:15.54
who sanctifies us.
00:51:15.74\00:51:17.77
All my life I had
tried to sanctify myself.
00:51:17.97\00:51:21.61
I was trying to do good for God,
00:51:22.01\00:51:24.55
to do the right
thing... and I never could!
00:51:24.75\00:51:28.32
I just couldn't get it right
and I would get so discouraged
00:51:28.82\00:51:32.25
that I would actually, couple
of times turned away from Him.
00:51:32.45\00:51:35.29
But when I
discovered the Sabbath truth
00:51:35.49\00:51:38.69
and it's still so today
there are times that I get down
00:51:38.89\00:51:43.60
in a valley and I think:
"Oh, I ought to be doing more
00:51:43.80\00:51:45.77
of this, more of that. "
But then the Sabbath rolls in
00:51:45.97\00:51:48.67
and it's just like: "Oh...
thank you Lord for reminding me
00:51:48.87\00:51:53.91
that You're the One
who sanctifies me. "
00:51:54.11\00:51:56.44
Let me share a
couple of thoughts with you.
00:51:56.64\00:51:57.98
So the question said
some of you all seem to be
00:51:58.51\00:52:01.95
a little unbalanced on that, you
tend to push a little bit hard.
00:52:02.15\00:52:04.45
I've got something that
I wish that you would have
00:52:05.05\00:52:08.19
because it's good. And
I know it's good because
00:52:08.39\00:52:11.66
God said: "This is for
you. " As a matter of fact,
00:52:11.86\00:52:14.26
it was Jesus who said:
"The Sabbath was made for man
00:52:14.46\00:52:17.60
not man for the Sabbath. "
So this is something God made
00:52:17.80\00:52:20.77
for the human family. And
He said: "I want you to have it
00:52:20.97\00:52:23.81
because it's so good," just
as Shelley was pointing out.
00:52:24.01\00:52:26.21
It's good for you and
it helps you to understand
00:52:26.41\00:52:28.84
what God does for you,
00:52:29.04\00:52:31.18
what God does in you,
00:52:31.38\00:52:32.81
AND who God is.
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So we get over to the
three angels' messages
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in Revelation chapter 14.
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"I saw another angel flying
in the midst of heaven having
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the final gospel message
that's going to go to the world
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to preach to every nation,
kindred, tongue, and people. "
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Says with a loud voice:
"Fear God, give glory to Him
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for the hour of His judgment
has come. " Now it says:
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"And worship Him that
made heaven and earth and the
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seas and the
fountains of waters. "
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The Sabbath calls us to remember
that God is our Creator!
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Amen! In an age where
creation is kind of old hat.
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And it reminds us that
God is our "re-Creator. "
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God is the One. If you
want to accuse anybody of being
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unbalanced about
the Sabbath it's God!
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He put it in the Bible.
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He emphasized it.
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He re-emphasized it.
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He called as Pastor Lomacang
said a whole group of people
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to be the
restorers of the breach.
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And He commissioned
people down in the close of time
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to go around with a loud voice
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Amen! telling
people "God is the Creator
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and He's given you
the seventh-day Sabbath
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as a memorial of
His creative power
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He invites you to rest. Rest
in Him; rest in what He does;
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what He's done; and what
He will do and to remember
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that in the new earth the Bible
says we'll be worshiping God
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from Sabbath to
Sabbath. " It's a big deal!
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If you don't have it, I don't
want to badger you about it.
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I don't want to make
you feel uncomfortable.
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But I want to tell
you: it's important to God;
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it's good for you.
As Shelley said, it will
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revolutionize
and change your life.
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And... and... it's part
of God's last gospel message.
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So if you're a gospel Christian
you're going to want this.
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It's also one of
the Ten Commandments.
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So which one? You may be over-
board on that one about idols.
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You may be overboard on
that one about adultery.
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No, I don't think anybody's
overboard on any of the
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commandments. They're all
as important as each other.
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Danny, I love what you said.
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It's not about being overboard;
it's about being ON board...
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on board with Jesus.
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Amen! You know, Jill and
I, we love the Sabbath day.
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It's a tremendous
blessing to both of us.
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You know, and I have to
say: the Ten Commandments
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Exodus 20 verse 8
says "Remember, " right?
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"Remember the Sabbath day. "
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So Jill and I love
the seventh-day Sabbath.
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So in the question it was being
accused of being unbalanced.
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I don't mind being unbalanced
to be honest with you, right?
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I don't mind being
called "unbalanced. "
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I know we all try to be
balanced. If someone thinks
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I'm being unbalanced because
I'm keeping the seventh-day
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Sabbath, I don't care.
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Lastly... Not lastly but as
my last point - very short -
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it's really not
about the Sabbath.
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It's who is your God. Amen!
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That's a good point. The seventh
day is THE Sabbath of the Lord
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your God. " The question is:
who is your God? If the God of
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creation is your
God... then that's the day.
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Amen!
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Pastor John
said... he quoted Mark 2:27
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that God made
the Sabbath for us.
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You've got a suit that
you got made years ago.
00:55:34.23\00:55:36.46
Tailored just for you. I
remember the first time I saw
00:55:36.67\00:55:38.87
it I said: "Danny, man, you
really look good in that suit. "
00:55:39.07\00:55:41.07
He said: "Yeah, I do! "
00:55:41.27\00:55:42.60
Something like that.
But it was a suit made
00:55:43.17\00:55:46.11
just... It wasn't off the
rack; it was a suit for you.
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I didn't pay for it.
00:55:48.94\00:55:50.91
It was a free gift
just like the Sabbath.
00:55:51.11\00:55:52.71
Hey! Whoo... At
keas that'll preach!
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Yeah... even better.
00:55:54.88\00:55:56.22
But God looked down
at mankind and said:
00:55:56.32\00:55:59.62
"Let me give them something
that will preserve their life,
00:55:59.82\00:56:02.42
that will remind
them of who I am,
00:56:02.62\00:56:04.83
that will help them
as they make their way.
00:56:05.23\00:56:07.43
I'm going to give
them the Sabbath. "
00:56:07.63\00:56:09.96
And then He said:
"Christ now is Lord of
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the Sabbath" in 2:28.
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So there's no other day
00:56:16.27\00:56:17.61
that has that
special relationship.
00:56:17.77\00:56:19.77
And if we will enter into that
number one: we will never forget
00:56:19.97\00:56:22.81
who is our Lord
00:56:23.01\00:56:24.35
and number two: we will never
forget the special relationship
00:56:24.48\00:56:27.68
that is cultivated
through keeping the Sabbath.
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Amen! Yvonne,
hasn't this been fun?
00:56:30.75\00:56:33.05
I love it! I love
panel discussions.
00:56:33.25\00:56:36.06
I mean, thank you so much
all of you. Yes! Thank you.
00:56:36.46\00:56:39.69
See, we're very
fortunate. We get to understand
00:56:39.89\00:56:43.26
what has taken them
years to study and learn.
00:56:43.47\00:56:45.43
Right. And now
they impart it to us
00:56:45.63\00:56:47.90
while we're
doing our other things.
00:56:48.10\00:56:50.07
And it's true: I never
sit down with this group
00:56:50.27\00:56:53.27
and don't learn something.
Umm. And I have turned on
00:56:53.48\00:56:55.88
in the past... My
aunt used to say years ago
00:56:56.08\00:56:58.55
before there was ever
any Adventist television:
00:56:58.75\00:57:00.75
we asked her, said: "Well
don't you want to watch some
00:57:00.95\00:57:04.82
other folks that believe
differently than we do? "
00:57:05.02\00:57:08.09
She said: "No. "
We said: "Why not? "
00:57:08.29\00:57:09.82
She said: "Cause they
never teach me something
00:57:10.03\00:57:11.49
I didn't already know. "
00:57:11.69\00:57:13.03
And that's one thing:
when you listen to these folk
00:57:13.19\00:57:15.66
study what Adventists
believe most of the time
00:57:15.86\00:57:18.87
we'll learn things
that we didn't already know.
00:57:19.07\00:57:20.94
We're going to have
to take a short break.
00:57:21.34\00:57:22.84
We'll be back in just a moment
with Pastor John Bradshaw.
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