Welcome to Part 2 of
this enthralling session
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where we have this
panel here before us,
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and we've heard
some great questions,
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and we've heard some
great answers so far... yes?
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And I would like to think that
we've been challenged by this,
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and the people
will take something away
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that they will
apply to their lives
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as we move forward in
life as bold Christians.
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Here's a question...
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What do you do when
you're losing faith in life?
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What do you do when
you feel like giving up?
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Many people feel like giving up,
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and that's one of the
ploys of Satan that Satan uses.
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So what do you do when
you feel like giving up...
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when you pray and
Jesus is nowhere to be found.
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What do you do when
you're losing faith in life?
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All right, so that's
actually happened to me
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where I felt like giving up...
after I've known a lot of truth
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like I know my Bible,
at least I thought I did.
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So one of things that you'll
want to do is acknowledge,
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you'll want to
acknowledge your true condition.
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You want to just
be real with God.
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You don't need to hide
that, you just need to be
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real with God...
Father, I don't feel like
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reading the Bible; I
don't feel You near me.
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You acknowledge
that reality... okay?
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And you talk to God
like He is your friend.
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Like He hears you... you
tell Him what's going on.
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And what I've seen from -
what I've seen with my Father
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in heaven - He's my Father...
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What I've seen from Him is
that when I'm honest with Him,
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and when I let Him
know my true feelings,
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and what I'm going
through, He, Himself, begins to
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orchestrate either people or
brings Bible texts to my mind,
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or arranges circumstances
so that I can be encouraged.
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But one of the
texts in the Bible says,
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"Faith cometh by hearing,
and hearing by the... what?
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Word of God." So if your
faith is failing in life,
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you have your
faith in the wrong place.
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You shouldn't have your faith in
men and what life is giving you
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You need to have your
faith based on the Word of God.
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So if you see yourself losing
faith, pick up your Bible,
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begin to read it - knowing that
God is seeking to speak to you.
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I'll let someone else
help me answer this question.
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The Bible tells
us in Hebrews 12:2,
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"Looking unto Jesus, the author
and the finisher of our faith,
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who for the joy that was set
before Him endured the cross,
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despising the
shame, and has sat down
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at the right hand
of the throne of God."
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Verse 1 tells us
they were in a race.
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Verse 2 tells us how the race
can be finished in our lives.
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And the bottom
line... "Looking unto Jesus,"
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but
specifically, looking at Him,
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the One that endured the
cross, and then overcame it.
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And so, we all experience
those dark points in our life
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where we feel like giving up
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It's a Garden of
Gethsemane experience.
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And as we just look
upon Jesus in that garden,
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He felt like giving up, He said,
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"Father, if it is possible,
let the cup pass from Me."
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He felt like tapping out, and
He could have easily done it.
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He could have
easily aborted the mission
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to leave us to
perish in our own sins.
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His humanity did not
feel like drinking the cup.
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but He didn't live by
feelings, but by faith,
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and He concluded
the prayer by saying,
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"Nevertheless, not as I
will, but Thy will be done,"
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and He went forward even
though He did not feel like it.
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And so, when we don't feel
it, we keep our eyes on Jesus,
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and realize, "Wow, the
great King of the universe,
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the Creator of all
things, He did not let me go.
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He did not turn
His back from me.
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He went all the way to
the cross, and He said,
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"It is finished at the cross."
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He did that for me."
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If He did it for me, that
love, as I mentioned before,
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awakens a love
response from our hearts.
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And it says in 2
Corinthians 5:14,
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"The love of Christ compels us."
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That word "compel" means
to motivate or to constrain,
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or to push us forward,
even though our feelings are
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going totally against it,
we gotta keep moving forward,
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and that's what God's people
will have in the last days.
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In Revelation 14:12, it
says that "they have the faith
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of Jesus" - a faith
that keeps us moving forward.
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So practically,
what does that mean?
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Go back and visit Gethsemane.
Go back and visit Calvary.
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Read those chapters
in the "Desire of Ages."
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Let the Holy Spirit minister
to your heart to realize that
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while we were sleeping
on Jesus in Gethsemane,
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while the
disciples were sleeping,
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He was praying and
He was praying for us.
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And that will
motivate us to push forward
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when we feel like letting go.
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Thank you... Today,
we turn on the radio,
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and we hear "love, love, songs
about love, baby I love you,
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baby I love you
and love, love, love,"
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and there's so much
love, it makes you wonder,
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you know - what's
going on in the world because
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there is so much
violence as well.
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And the question
is... If God is love,
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how can you explain the wars,
and killings of the Israelites
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against unbelievers
in the Old Testament?
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How does this violence
contrast with the God of love?
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Appreciate that question,
I think that's probably
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one of the most pertinent
questions that Christians
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get asked and it's probably the
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one that's most
difficult to answer.
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For a period of my
life, I grew up in a war-torn
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country of Lebanon - when
I was young and have, yes,
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seen the atrocities of war,
seen the hurt that it brings,
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and leads you to
ask the question,
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"Why is this happening?"
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And we know from Bible prophecy
that wars are going to be
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taking place in the last days.
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More and more,
we're going to see nations
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rise against each other.
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When we look at
the Old Testament,
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the question being
asked is, how could God allow
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the Israelites to go to war,
and the question then implies
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that it's only the Israelites
that God used when going to war.
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There's actually many examples
of God using other nations
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to bring Israel back to Him.
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He instructed other nations
such as Babylon to come and take
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siege of Israel and
take them back to Babylon
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because they were
worshipping idols;
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they had totally broken
the covenant agreement...
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So it's not only the
Israelites that were used,
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but other nations have been used
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by God when it comes to war.
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The other thing is - a
primary example that is
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used is the Canaanites
and the war that happened
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with the Canaanites.
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As we look at that, we
know that in 1 Samuel 11:1-3,
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you can write that
down as a reference.
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Unlike the
practices of other nations...
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Other nations if they
wanted to have a war with you,
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they would just
come and destroy you.
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Jesus actually told them
or Yahweh, himself, actually
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said that if you are
having war with another nation,
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you need to give them
the opportunity to surrender.
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No other nation practiced that.
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It was only the Israelites
that practiced that because of
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the command given
in 1 Samuel 11:1-3.
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The reason that God sanctioned
destruction is found in
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Deuteronomy 20:16-18
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This is what He says:
"Otherwise, they will teach
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you to follow all the
detestable things they do
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in worshipping their
gods, and you will sin
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against the Lord your God."
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What detestable things
were other nations doing?
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Well, when we study that
they were worshipping gods like
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Amalek who believed
in child sacrifice...
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The Bible talks many
times of children passing
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through the fire
because of these pagan gods.
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The things that other
nations were doing was
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not human - it was inhumane.
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And for God to just allow
that and watch that to happen,
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would say something
about the God we worship...
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would say something
about His character.
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God cannot see innocent
people dying and watch that,
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and, therefore,
do nothing about it.
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Secondly, it is important
because God chose Israel
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to be a revelation
of God's character.
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The task of Israel was to
make God known to other nations.
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And the way they made Him
known was to let them know
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what His will was, and in
that, they had to practice and
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believe and teach what God said.
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As a result,
sometimes war did take place...
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Was it God's ideal? No
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God is not a God of destruction,
He's a God of creation.
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And many times, God did
things that were not necessarily
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what His ideal will was, but
He allowed that to take place.
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Another thing, these wars
happened under a theocracy
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not a democracy.
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A theocracy is
God was in charge.
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God knows when the cup of
iniquity for a nation is filled.
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We cannot make that
decision, we cannot, in 2015,
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just invade
another country and say,
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"Your cup of iniquity is filled,
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we're going to
make war with you."
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It was on the theocratic system
that these wars took place.
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May I just quickly
add... Very quickly - yes
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As he was saying
about the cup of iniquity...
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And that is when human
beings turns into a beast,
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and when
humanity is totally gone,
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and only God knows
when that happens...
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And in His foreknowledge,
to the children of Israel,
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actually in the time of Abraham,
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He said I know this is going
to happen in that much time,
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and that's
exactly when it happened,
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3-1/2 centuries later on.
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They came to that stage that
they no longer were even humans,
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and God says, the cup of
iniquity has been filled,
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and they are no
longer humans even.
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So we look around the
world today and we see
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the natural
compassion of mankind -
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Where is it? It's lost.
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In the past, we, as a
church used to teach all the
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fundamental beliefs
before people were baptized,
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but it seems that this is being
relaxed in many churches here.
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Why?
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I can't say why
other people do things...
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Perhaps it's because it
seems to indicate in the Bible
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that during the
time of the early church,
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people were baptized right away.
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For example, on
the Day of Pentecost,
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they heard a
sermon, they were baptized.
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The Ethiopian eunuch
baptized almost immediately.
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And so I think we look
at these stories surfacely,
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and we make them an
example or a precedent for
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just baptizing people right away
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without
clearing them thoroughly.
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But when you look
at those examples,
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the people on
the Day of Pentecost,
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they had background,
they were there worshipping
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the true God; they were there
at the temple for the feast,
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as well as the Ethiopian eunuch.
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He was coming from the
feast; he was coming from
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Jerusalem, the place of worship;
he was reading the scrolls,
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and when you look up at
the baptism that they had,
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they were baptized under
the Present Truth of that day
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there during the
Day of Pentecost.
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But today, there's a
different Present Truth,
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and so the Biblical models
that individuals ought to be
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baptized into Christ under
the specific truths that are
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relevant and present
for that day and age.
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The Present Truth for
their day is that the Messiah
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was crucified, and that was a
radical truth during that time,
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to believe in the cross,
that the Greeks said it's
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foolishness; the Jews looked
upon it as a stumbling block,
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and so being baptized
under the Present Truth
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of the sacrifice of Christ
was really a testing truth.
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And so those who were baptized,
you can see the level of
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commitment based upon the
testing truth of that day.
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Today, the cross is not
so much a testing truth.
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It is something that we all
understand, and so the Bible
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makes it clear in the
book of Matthew 28- Jesus said,
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"Go ye therefore teach
all nations, baptizing them
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in the name of the
Father, Son and the Holy Spirit,
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and then teaching them
to observe all things."
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And so, we must be
taught first, then be baptized,
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and then we'll
be taught some more,
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which shows that we
don't have to wait until people
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have a perfect understanding
before they're baptized,
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but they ought to have an
intellectual understanding
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before they're baptized
because what is baptism?
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It's an outward expression
of an inward experience.
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The water
doesn't change a person.
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We don't put Clorox or bleach
in the water to clean people up.
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It's just a symbol of
what the Holy Spirit is
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already doing in their lives,
and so we need to make sure
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that as people are baptized,
they're not just baptized
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into the Christ, but
also into the body of Christ.
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And the body of Christ has
received a specific message
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for this day, and so whenever
we do evangelist meetings,
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we should make sure that
we are thoroughly helping
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people understand it...
because when you think about it,
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when a baby is born prematurely,
they are at greater risk of
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infant mortality.
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And when we
baptize people prematurely,
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they are at greater risk
of falling away afterwards.
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And so the more
preparation beforehand,
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the more successful
they will be afterwards.
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I see a lot of mikes coming
here to get ready to answer...
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Yes, we've only got 31 minutes
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left for about 20
questions. Yes, Tapi...
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I'm not answering the question,
I just wanted to correct it.
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Because it says "here,"
and the Americans answered it.
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I was hoping one of the Aussie
boys would answer this time.
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I just wanted to say...
before you answer pastor,
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I just wanted to say
that sometimes we make a
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blanket judgment because
the question says "here."
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So it gives the impression
that in Australia people get
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baptized without -
then we are fixing that.
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I think this person might
have observed, in one place,
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this happening. Correct
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It does not mean that
there are 7,000 Adventists
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that have not bowed
down their knee to Baal.
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So when we are answering, I
just wanted to correct that...
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we are encouraging
those who don't do it,
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to be like my
friend, Pastor Zen,
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who gives Bible
studies before he baptizes.
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Pastor Zen is
not the only one...
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You missed #11, by the way,
I don't know if you knew that.
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Moving on... Ellen
White talks about the
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Omega of
Apostasy in the last days.
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In your opinion, what
is the Omega of Apostasy?
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Anyone want a shot?
Take the mike off him please.
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The Omega of Apostasy is
referred to, and to understand
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the omega, you've got
to understand the alpha
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where it was first used,
and Ellen White uses that
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when referring to
John Harvey Kellogg's book
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that he wrote, talking
about the Alpha of Apostasy,
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and he wrote a book
called, "Living Temple."
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That's when she kind of
uses that statement the most,
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and in that
book, "Living Temple,"
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Kellogg has certain
teachings in there that imply
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almost like a
pantheistic view of God.
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And, as you look at that,
it was as she saw the seed of
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that being planted, this
alpha of this pantheistic view
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of God that God is everywhere
and is in us and in a sense,
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we are God, she saw that
this could lead to an omega
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which is the fact that
if God is a pantheistic God,
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then all our
thoughts, all our intentions,
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all our behaviors
would, therefore, be holy,
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and that all our actions
would, therefore, be holy;
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therefore eliminated sin.
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And so, she also says
that this "Omega of Apostasy"
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will arise just
before Jesus comes again,
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so this idea of our thoughts,
our intentions being totally
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holy and not subject,
therefore, to the Word of God to
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see whether what we believe
is true or not, she describes
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as the "Omega of Apostasy."
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I just want to add
a little bit to that
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To me, this is a
very serious question...
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I believe that if it's not here
already, we are like real close,
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which means everybody should be
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grabbing real tight
to Jesus right now...
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I'm just going to
read a quotation to you
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that I find to be very
interesting which I think
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is a result of the Omega...
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You know the Omega doesn't just
arrive, it grows, you understand
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But it says, "The enemy of
souls has sought to bring in the
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supposition that
a great reformation
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was to take place among
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Seventh-day Adventists,
and that this reformation
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would consist in giving
up the doctrines which stand
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as the pillars of our
faith, and engaging in a process
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of reorganization; were
this reformation to take place,
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what would result?
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The principles of truth
that God in His wisdom has given
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to the remnant
church, would be discarded.
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Our religion would be changed.
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The fundamental principles
to have sustained the work
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for the last 50
years, now is more than that
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will be accounted as error,
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a new organization
will be established.
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Books of a new
order would be written.
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A system... pay attention,
a system of intellectual
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philosophy would be introduced.
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The founders of this
system would go into the cities
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and do a wonderful work...
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and I don't think
that's far from now...
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The Sabbath, of course,
will be likely regarded as
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also the God who created it.
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Nothing would be allowed to
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stand in the way
of this new movement.
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The leaders would teach
that virtue is better than vice,
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but God, being removed, they
would place their dependence
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on human power which,
without God, is worthless.
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Their foundation will
be built on sand, and storm
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and tempest would
sweep away the structure."
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Brothers and sisters,
this is a serious thing,
00:19:05.71\00:19:07.92
not a light thing, and
I believe, like I said,
00:19:07.95\00:19:10.01
we're very close, if we're
not already there, in the time
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of the shaking, this
Omega raises its ugly head
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and I think it's so smart, it
adapts... it adapts to Australia
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it adapts in
America, it adapts to wherever
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the Advent people are.
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The devil does not want this
message to get to the world,
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not only in proclamation,
but in demonstration.
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Brothers and sisters,
we need to pray... Amen
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So leading on from
that question is this...
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Why is it so important
that we not only believe
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in a triune godhead,
but we understand it?
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What's so serious about it?
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I had my suspicions
that the questions of the
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Omega of Apostasy is attached
to the issue of the godhead.
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I'm sort of, these days, for
the sake of those that are not
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comfortable, I'm no more
using the word "trinity."
00:20:03.03\00:20:05.87
I have no problem with it,
but for the sake of others,
00:20:05.90\00:20:08.28
I'll just use
the word, "godhead."
00:20:08.31\00:20:10.60
It's sort of a question
that cannot be answered,
00:20:10.63\00:20:15.38
so what I'm going to
do is, on the website,
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I'm going to post a
comprehensible answer
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on the divinity of Christ,
the confusion about His Sonship
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that is based on the
covenant between God and David
00:20:26.51\00:20:31.01
that gives language to
when David becomes king,
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God says, "I've adopted
you today, I've begotten
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you as My son," and
that then transfers to Jesus
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in the New
Testament, as Jesus resurrects,
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I'll give you
text... as Jesus resurrects,
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and He becomes
the King in heaven,
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God says, "Today I've begotten
you," and the texts are:
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Acts 13:33, Romans 1:3-4,
Hebrews 1:3-6, that's in short.
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Then coming to the Holy Spirit,
is the Holy Spirit a person?
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That's part of this.
Well, starting from the Bible,
00:21:06.08\00:21:10.84
the word, the Spirit "hovered,"
00:21:10.87\00:21:13.78
that word "hover,"
whichever way you pronounce it,
00:21:13.81\00:21:18.76
when you compare the way
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it is used in the Old Testament,
it's never used to refer to an
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inanimate thing.
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It is actually a living
thing that can do that...
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like an eagle,
like a human being.
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If you go to the book of
Ezekiel, the Spirit picks
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Ezekiel by the locks of
his head and moves with him.
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When you get into
the New Testament,
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the Holy Spirit
guides, teaches, has emotions,
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but lastly, I want
to quote Ellen White...
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would you allow me to do that?
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This quote is very
important because there are many
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quotes I could quote,
but I just want to quote one
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because it's written
especially from Avondale.
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It's found in "Manuscripts."
00:22:03.92\00:22:06.53
It's talking about what was
happening at a camp meeting.
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I will start where - here.
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"This is the reason we
have established a school here.
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The Lord instructed us
that this was the place
00:22:16.58\00:22:19.62
in which we should locate.
00:22:19.65\00:22:21.52
We have had every
reason to think that
00:22:21.55\00:22:24.73
we are in the right place.
00:22:24.76\00:22:26.02
We have been brought
together as a school,
00:22:26.05\00:22:29.63
and we need to
realize that the Holy Spirit,
00:22:29.66\00:22:33.11
who is as much a
person as God is a person,
00:22:33.14\00:22:37.48
is walking
through these grounds,
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and seen by human beings."
00:22:39.83\00:22:42.00
I don't think she could
get any clearer than that.
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Amen indeed.
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What sort of strategies
do you have when it comes to
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forgiving those who
have hurt you the most?
00:22:51.81\00:22:57.25
Well this is a tough question,
and it touches all of us,
00:22:57.28\00:23:03.80
and it's a painful
process, and it's very personal
00:23:03.83\00:23:10.75
because pain is the only
thing that is so personal
00:23:10.78\00:23:13.69
that we cannot
share with others.
00:23:13.72\00:23:14.99
We can share
thinking with others,
00:23:15.02\00:23:17.33
but we cannot share our pain
00:23:17.36\00:23:19.64
because it is uniquely personal.
00:23:19.67\00:23:21.52
We can share it only with
God because God felt our pain.
00:23:21.55\00:23:24.05
He is the only one who knows
the color and dept of pain, etc.
00:23:24.08\00:23:28.84
So, how do we forgive?
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#1- We constantly focus
on the Bible as you can see.
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One text that comes to my mind
is in the book of Genesis 41
00:23:36.55\00:23:42.42
when Joseph comes finally
to the point and as he gets
00:23:42.45\00:23:48.55
his first son and then
he gets his second son,
00:23:48.58\00:23:52.57
and when he gets his first son,
he calls him by a certain name
00:23:52.60\00:23:56.38
and he said, "God
caused me to forget."
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And that is very
powerful because think about it
00:24:00.90\00:24:04.60
just for a second...
00:24:04.63\00:24:06.16
Forget what? Forget
the pain and he goes on,
00:24:06.19\00:24:09.66
forget the pain of
the house of my father.
00:24:09.69\00:24:12.63
What was the pain?
There was so much pain
00:24:12.66\00:24:15.37
inflicted on him as a
young boy by his brothers,
00:24:15.40\00:24:18.70
and you could count
so many painful moments.
00:24:18.73\00:24:23.77
So he says, "God
caused me to forget."
00:24:23.80\00:24:27.28
See what happens...
when somebody hurts you,
00:24:27.31\00:24:30.98
when somebody hurts you,
there is a pain that is there,
00:24:31.01\00:24:37.31
and you have both
mental picture and emotional
00:24:37.34\00:24:40.70
support behind that picture.
00:24:40.73\00:24:42.19
So when you remember
the picture, immediately,
00:24:42.22\00:24:45.42
the feeling
associated with it comes.
00:24:45.45\00:24:48.37
So how do you distinguish,
how do you separate between
00:24:48.40\00:24:52.99
the mental picture
of that painful moment,
00:24:53.02\00:24:56.78
and as well as that emotion,
that immediately kicks in.
00:24:56.81\00:25:01.54
It's just almost impossible
without the power of God
00:25:01.57\00:25:04.55
in your life, and
it only can happen
00:25:04.58\00:25:07.31
through the process of
where you say, "I forgive."
00:25:07.34\00:25:10.42
But see, when that
forgiveness happens with Joseph,
00:25:10.45\00:25:14.53
it happens in the
absence of his brothers.
00:25:14.56\00:25:18.45
So that's the
very first forgiveness.
00:25:18.48\00:25:20.31
So these are the steps:
00:25:20.34\00:25:21.53
You forgive in the absence
of a person that has hurt you.
00:25:21.56\00:25:27.07
That in itself is
painful, but it will bring a
00:25:27.10\00:25:32.21
forgetting eventually.
00:25:32.24\00:25:33.91
Even though the process is long,
it took him so long to forget...
00:25:33.94\00:25:38.79
But then what God does,
and that's the beauty of it,
00:25:38.82\00:25:42.82
God arranges in His providence
a moment when it is not only
00:25:42.85\00:25:47.57
done in the absence, but
it is done in their presence,
00:25:47.60\00:25:52.84
and then eventually come,
and that's when he forgives
00:25:52.88\00:25:59.46
even in their presence,
but these steps are hard,
00:25:59.49\00:26:04.62
and this last one
will be the hardest.
00:26:04.65\00:26:06.87
What you often do
when somebody hurts you,
00:26:06.90\00:26:08.72
you make a
caricature of that person.
00:26:08.75\00:26:12.27
And in that process,
that caricature has to change,
00:26:12.30\00:26:15.65
and that person just
is as fallen as you are.
00:26:15.68\00:26:18.17
So I just try to
share some of the steps,
00:26:18.20\00:26:21.56
and Marcha, I
probably have not done all.
00:26:21.59\00:26:23.41
You can help me on this one too.
00:26:23.44\00:26:25.19
Oh well I just wanted to
add to that that it's very
00:26:25.22\00:26:30.20
difficult to forgive
if we don't understand
00:26:30.23\00:26:32.19
how Christ has forgiven us.
00:26:32.22\00:26:34.61
And so when we see the
cross and see the enormity of
00:26:34.64\00:26:37.77
what He had done for the
sin of every single person,
00:26:37.80\00:26:40.71
whether they are the
offender or the offended,
00:26:40.74\00:26:44.08
and He gives you
a glimpse of that,
00:26:44.11\00:26:47.09
then what happens is, He
gives you the divine gift
00:26:47.12\00:26:50.41
which is found in Acts
5:31 which is a divine gift...
00:26:50.44\00:26:57.53
"forgiveness."
00:26:57.56\00:26:59.02
And that divine gift,
this miracle that allows you
00:26:59.05\00:27:02.19
to wear His eyes and feel with
His heart towards the offender,
00:27:02.22\00:27:08.76
and it is only then
that you can forgive them.
00:27:08.79\00:27:11.36
Now this doesn't happen quickly.
00:27:11.39\00:27:13.67
Because when you go
through a wound that someone
00:27:13.70\00:27:16.67
has offended you,
there's a time of shock,
00:27:16.70\00:27:19.65
and there's a time of
grief, and a time of anger,
00:27:19.68\00:27:22.82
and you've got to let that
happen... it's called "crisis."
00:27:22.85\00:27:26.73
But once you come to a
place of quietness where you can
00:27:26.76\00:27:29.35
hear the voice of God,
then He is able to speak to you
00:27:29.38\00:27:33.29
about that situation and
relay to you that He was in that
00:27:33.32\00:27:36.43
very place that
that wound was made.
00:27:36.46\00:27:39.34
If you think about Mary,
how, you know, both Judas
00:27:39.37\00:27:42.23
and Simon were really, really
criticizing her in the very room
00:27:42.26\00:27:46.41
that Jesus was... the
very thing that allowed her to
00:27:46.44\00:27:49.67
cope with that situation was
because Jesus was in that room.
00:27:49.70\00:27:53.45
And so very often, with wounds,
we need to come to a place
00:27:53.48\00:27:58.15
where we see that Jesus
totally understands what we have
00:27:58.18\00:28:01.57
gone through - He was there.
00:28:01.60\00:28:03.21
Not only that, that He actually
bore the sin offense in Him,
00:28:03.24\00:28:09.40
2 Corinthians
5:21- that He became sin.
00:28:09.43\00:28:13.07
So on the cross, He had
all that sin image and emotion,
00:28:13.10\00:28:18.32
and all the pain of
that bearing upon His heart
00:28:18.35\00:28:21.97
for both the person that
was wounded and the offender.
00:28:22.00\00:28:25.36
When He reveals that to
you in your specific wounding,
00:28:25.39\00:28:30.05
then you can see with His
heart, and then you can have
00:28:30.08\00:28:34.23
compassion towards the
offender, and then be able
00:28:34.26\00:28:37.72
to forgive - that is a miracle!
00:28:37.75\00:28:41.55
You're going to add something
00:28:43.04\00:28:44.49
very briefly,
aren't you Taj? Yes
00:28:44.52\00:28:46.22
Only when we see Jesus on
the cross, looking into our face
00:28:46.25\00:28:50.73
as we were murdering
Him, and then saying,
00:28:50.76\00:28:53.14
"Father, forgive them,
they know not what they do."
00:28:53.17\00:28:56.99
Only as we see that
picture, can we then look
00:28:57.02\00:29:00.07
into the face of those
who might be murdering us,
00:29:00.10\00:29:02.56
and say the same thing.
00:29:02.59\00:29:04.58
"Father, forgive them,
they know not what they do."
00:29:04.61\00:29:07.48
So I just want to ask you
there, then - forgiving...
00:29:07.51\00:29:09.48
Have we really,
really forgiven people if we
00:29:09.51\00:29:11.90
just keep
bringing it back up and up?
00:29:11.93\00:29:15.11
And, you know, I do the
wrong thing with my neighbor
00:29:15.14\00:29:17.71
who did upset me, and
then I got my pocketknife out,
00:29:17.74\00:29:20.06
and I scratched on
his bonnet of his BMW,
00:29:20.09\00:29:21.98
"I forgive you," that
was not correct, was it?
00:29:22.01\00:29:28.19
Let me add a portion of...
in being in pastoral ministry,
00:29:28.22\00:29:31.18
there are many times my
wife and I could recall this...
00:29:31.21\00:29:33.71
There were critical times
in our ministry where the hurt
00:29:33.74\00:29:35.95
came from people working with
us in ministry, in conference,
00:29:35.98\00:29:39.94
other pastors - where we said,
00:29:39.97\00:29:41.90
"We're done, we're
leaving the ministry."
00:29:41.93\00:29:43.66
But you know what we did?
00:29:43.70\00:29:44.90
When we forgave, at
that very critical moment,
00:29:44.93\00:29:48.06
we decided to follow
the pattern of Jesus.
00:29:48.10\00:29:51.20
Now I know, the pastor mentioned
it takes a long period of time,
00:29:51.23\00:29:55.19
well, there's also a freedom
that comes instantaneously.
00:29:55.22\00:29:59.47
Let me tell you why...
00:29:59.50\00:30:00.71
If forgiveness took
a long period of time,
00:30:00.74\00:30:02.75
Jesus really didn't forgive
because not long after He said,
00:30:02.78\00:30:06.35
"Father forgive
them," then He died.
00:30:06.38\00:30:09.13
There is an instantaneous
forgiveness which frees
00:30:09.16\00:30:11.14
you immediately.
00:30:11.17\00:30:14.71
Some others are not yet...
those who offend you, they may
00:30:14.74\00:30:19.22
not be for decades willing
to even talk to you again,
00:30:19.25\00:30:23.25
let alone hear you
say, "I forgive you."
00:30:23.28\00:30:26.71
So we ought not
begin a journey by saying,
00:30:26.74\00:30:29.58
"Okay, I forgave you 20
years ago, but you never
00:30:29.61\00:30:32.60
gave me the chance
to let you know that;
00:30:32.63\00:30:35.22
therefore, we are
not yet at unity."
00:30:35.25\00:30:37.33
When Jesus said, "Father
forgive them for they know not
00:30:37.36\00:30:39.76
what they do," it is now
left to them to come to the
00:30:39.79\00:30:43.05
realization of
what they have done...
00:30:43.08\00:30:45.31
which some of
the Jews never did.
00:30:45.34\00:30:46.78
That's why they
are still going to
00:30:46.82\00:30:48.62
meet Him in the
special resurrection.
00:30:48.65\00:30:50.38
Those that pierced Him, they
never came to the realization.
00:30:50.42\00:30:53.83
So you have to
sometimes say, "I forgive them,
00:30:53.86\00:30:56.59
and I'll leave the
rest of it to God."
00:30:56.62\00:30:59.92
So I'm not looking
for that lengthy process.
00:30:59.95\00:31:01.56
That instantaneous "forgive me,"
forgives me, I mean frees me.
00:31:01.59\00:31:04.74
That's the most important thing.
00:31:04.77\00:31:06.01
That is the most important
thing - it frees you, yes.
00:31:06.04\00:31:08.66
Here's a question, now I'm
just hoping that nobody from
00:31:08.69\00:31:12.30
Beau Desert Church
wrote this question...
00:31:12.33\00:31:16.27
I'll be checking handwritings.
00:31:16.30\00:31:18.34
"If my minister is not
preaching the Present Truth,
00:31:18.37\00:31:23.50
what should I do about it?
00:31:23.53\00:31:27.15
That's not from Beau
Desert Church, is it? No?
00:31:27.18\00:31:30.91
You need to preach it.
00:31:30.94\00:31:32.72
No, I... In 25 words or less.
00:31:37.95\00:31:40.82
Yes, no problem... You
are not coming to church
00:31:40.85\00:31:47.03
to receive a blessing.
00:31:47.06\00:31:50.00
When I go to church, and I'm
not a pastor, you understand,
00:31:50.03\00:31:54.32
I don't have a congregation...
You understand what I'm saying?
00:31:54.35\00:31:58.84
When I come to church, I come
to church to bring a blessing,
00:31:58.87\00:32:03.18
so I bring
Present Truth where I go.
00:32:03.21\00:32:07.17
I have Bible studies where I go.
00:32:07.20\00:32:10.44
I, by God's grace, demonstrate
what Present Truth is,
00:32:10.47\00:32:15.22
and I've gained the ear
of ministers who have not
00:32:15.25\00:32:18.77
taught Present Truth,
who now preach Present Truth.
00:32:18.80\00:32:21.66
Not because I came in kicking
and screaming and talking about
00:32:21.69\00:32:23.85
you're not preaching
Present Truth, I demonstrated
00:32:23.88\00:32:26.41
what Present Truth was
which is a gracious, loving,
00:32:26.44\00:32:29.57
firm truth in Christ Jesus,
so you bring Present Truth, Amen
00:32:29.60\00:32:35.98
Taj, it's like a
gun in your hand,
00:32:36.01\00:32:37.77
it's like a trigger,
you're ready to pull it...
00:32:37.81\00:32:39.26
You wanted to add
something to that? No?
00:32:39.29\00:32:42.40
Well, you know, when you
look at Christ, He went to the
00:32:42.43\00:32:46.80
synagogue on the Sabbath,
even though the Pharisees were
00:32:46.83\00:32:51.28
preaching things that,
you know, it wasn't relevant.
00:32:51.31\00:32:54.30
They had a misunderstanding
of things, but He didn't let
00:32:54.33\00:32:56.35
anything disrupt His worship,
His relationship with His
00:32:56.38\00:32:59.86
Father, and so, you know,
we come to church not so much
00:32:59.89\00:33:04.02
to be fed - if we just ate once
a week, we'd die spiritually,
00:33:04.05\00:33:07.46
and so we come, as Brother Andre
mentioned so eloquently, that we
00:33:07.49\00:33:11.39
come to be a blessing, not
so much to receive a blessing
00:33:11.42\00:33:14.07
and as we are a blessing,
we are blessed in that process.
00:33:14.10\00:33:16.72
It's more blessed to
give than to receive.
00:33:16.75\00:33:18.71
My answer is very short...
00:33:18.74\00:33:20.66
The phrase "Present Truth,"
has taken on different meanings
00:33:20.69\00:33:24.52
depending on who uses it.
00:33:24.55\00:33:26.42
That phrase has been
used to assault individuals,
00:33:26.45\00:33:31.12
and to offend individuals
by somebody picking up a
00:33:31.15\00:33:34.13
hobbyhorse and saying,
"This is Present Truth."
00:33:34.16\00:33:36.90
So we have to understand not
to use that word and apply it
00:33:36.93\00:33:40.01
that now I have "Present Truth"
or that ministry is preaching
00:33:40.04\00:33:43.77
Present Truth or they're
not preaching Present Truth.
00:33:43.80\00:33:47.10
We are called to preach
the "Three Angels Messages,"
00:33:47.13\00:33:50.19
and you cannot get a
truth more present than what
00:33:50.22\00:33:52.34
Ellen White says, "The
last message to be given
00:33:52.37\00:33:55.96
to the world is a revelation
of the character of God's love
00:33:55.99\00:33:59.76
as revealed in His people."
00:33:59.79\00:34:01.60
That's the most present
message because God's character
00:34:01.63\00:34:04.94
has been distorted by all
the other doctrines that don't
00:34:04.97\00:34:07.32
reveal His
love... eternal burning,
00:34:07.35\00:34:09.16
and all the other
things that go along with that.
00:34:09.19\00:34:11.95
So I consider Present
Truth to be my responsibility
00:34:11.99\00:34:14.58
to preach the "Three Angels
Messages," and in all that
00:34:14.62\00:34:17.18
reveal the character of God's
love, not just in what I say,
00:34:17.21\00:34:21.07
but in how I live.
00:34:21.10\00:34:22.43
And the people
said... AMEN, indeed.
00:34:22.46\00:34:26.14
Where do... I'm going to
use that word... women fit
00:34:26.17\00:34:31.04
in the ministry
of God and His work?
00:34:31.07\00:34:34.59
It was going to come some way...
00:34:34.62\00:34:38.27
Okay, when I come to
this question, I would go to
00:34:38.30\00:34:42.09
Joel 2:28-29 and the Bible
says, "And it shall come to pass
00:34:42.12\00:34:49.14
afterward that I will
pour out my Spirit on men."
00:34:49.17\00:34:53.68
It says, "all flesh."
"Your sons and your daughters
00:34:53.71\00:34:58.05
shall prophesy, your
old men shall dream dreams,
00:34:58.08\00:35:01.34
your young men shall
see visions; And also on my
00:35:01.37\00:35:04.57
men servants and on my
maid servants, I will pour out
00:35:04.60\00:35:07.57
My Spirit in those days."
00:35:07.60\00:35:09.95
I believe, very strongly,
that God has a special work
00:35:09.98\00:35:13.31
for everybody to do including
women - we're all included
00:35:13.34\00:35:16.08
in the great commission,
and as soon Jesus rose
00:35:16.11\00:35:19.59
from the grave, we find He told
Mary to go and tell the others.
00:35:19.62\00:35:23.38
He gave her an
evangelistic work.
00:35:23.41\00:35:25.59
And so, I think that's
something very important.
00:35:25.62\00:35:28.21
Now I am sure, that the
question is hinting towards
00:35:28.24\00:35:32.36
the great elephant in the
room, "women's ordination."
00:35:32.39\00:35:36.02
Can you see an
elephant? Yes, I can see it!
00:35:36.05\00:35:38.72
Women's ordination.
00:35:38.75\00:35:41.34
I'm happy to have
help here from all of you.
00:35:41.37\00:35:44.26
My personal conviction is
that I think, and it was said
00:35:44.29\00:35:49.42
in the message this
morning, I completely agreed...
00:35:49.45\00:35:51.92
I think we waste a lot
of time majoring in minors.
00:35:51.95\00:35:56.28
This is what I
call a "red herring,"
00:35:56.31\00:35:58.12
that's what we
call it in English.
00:35:58.16\00:35:59.90
A red herring is taking
our focus off the main things
00:35:59.94\00:36:04.04
which we should
be worrying about,
00:36:04.07\00:36:05.23
and that is getting the
gospel out to the world.
00:36:05.26\00:36:07.31
Imagine, if at the next
General Conference session
00:36:07.34\00:36:10.27
this coming year, if all
the time we're going to spend
00:36:10.30\00:36:13.12
on this issue, we spend
on developing an evangelistic
00:36:13.15\00:36:16.67
strategy to reach the world.
00:36:16.70\00:36:18.52
That's what we should be
worrying about right now.
00:36:18.55\00:36:21.42
So that's my personal view.
Preach it sister, preach it!
00:36:21.45\00:36:25.23
I am... and people
ask me because I preach,
00:36:25.26\00:36:29.90
and I've been called "pastor"
00:36:29.93\00:36:31.25
where I go
places, I am not a pastor.
00:36:31.28\00:36:33.24
I'm just a young person
who I feel very convicted that
00:36:33.27\00:36:36.66
I made a promise to God
that I would speak for Him
00:36:36.69\00:36:38.87
wherever He opens the doors.
00:36:38.90\00:36:40.64
That's why I'm here,
I feel compelled to go
00:36:40.67\00:36:43.65
because of that
promise that I made to Him.
00:36:43.68\00:36:46.09
And a Baptist, I
think before I get there...
00:36:46.12\00:36:48.89
I think the home is a
reflection of the church.
00:36:48.92\00:36:52.37
We see, you know, in the
home we have husband, wife,
00:36:52.40\00:36:55.58
father, mother,
children, everything,
00:36:55.61\00:36:57.16
but in the home, the father
is the head of the house...
00:36:57.19\00:37:00.50
that's what God made
him, the head of the house.
00:37:00.53\00:37:03.03
He's the husband,
he's the protector.
00:37:03.06\00:37:04.85
He is to look after his family.
00:37:04.88\00:37:07.14
He is to be the
priest of the home.
00:37:07.17\00:37:08.80
And let's face it ladies,
we like a man to take the lead,
00:37:08.83\00:37:12.21
to be the spiritual
leader in our relationships,
00:37:12.24\00:37:15.95
and in our homes. Amen! Okay
00:37:15.98\00:37:19.02
Let me add something to
that, can I say something?
00:37:19.05\00:37:23.17
You're the... okay. I'll also
add, but you'll finish this.
00:37:23.20\00:37:25.54
You can and I'll
come back... Well just men
00:37:25.57\00:37:27.96
because I'm talking to men.
00:37:27.99\00:37:29.33
Men to be real men
because back in the days of Amos
00:37:29.36\00:37:33.15
and Isaiah and these people,
the women had no issues about
00:37:33.18\00:37:36.45
men taking control,
and if you read the record,
00:37:36.48\00:37:39.49
and all the letters that
used to go in about women
00:37:39.52\00:37:41.61
and ordination and all
this, it's sounds like a women's
00:37:41.64\00:37:44.13
weekly because men's weekly.
00:37:44.16\00:37:46.41
Now don't take offense
men, but men, we need to step
00:37:46.44\00:37:49.44
up to the plate and
start to be what God has
00:37:49.47\00:37:52.32
ordained us to be.
00:37:52.35\00:37:53.60
Anyway, that's all, I can
keep going for 45 minutes but...
00:37:53.63\00:37:57.22
I just wanted to add another
comment here on that context.
00:37:57.25\00:38:01.67
Within the home situation,
there's a Baptist preacher
00:38:01.70\00:38:04.47
who I really enjoy listening to.
00:38:04.50\00:38:05.98
He comes up
with good one-liners,
00:38:06.01\00:38:07.21
he has since passed away.
00:38:07.24\00:38:08.74
But he said this and I wrote
it down so I don't get it wrong.
00:38:08.77\00:38:11.56
"Anything with no head is dead,
00:38:11.59\00:38:13.46
and anything with
2 heads is a freak."
00:38:13.49\00:38:16.09
So we need
somebody to take the lead,
00:38:16.12\00:38:18.85
and God called the man to take
the lead in the family situation
00:38:18.88\00:38:22.85
and we want a
man to take the lead.
00:38:22.88\00:38:24.76
And that's why
Spirit of Prophecy says,
00:38:24.79\00:38:26.74
"The greatest need in the
world today is the want of men."
00:38:26.77\00:38:31.49
So, as a woman, I
implore the men to be men!
00:38:31.52\00:38:35.53
Step up and be the godly leaders
that God is calling you to be.
00:38:35.56\00:38:39.31
That doesn't mean that
women cannot serve God.
00:38:39.35\00:38:42.52
We can serve God!
I've spent the last
00:38:42.55\00:38:44.94
I don't know how many years
I've been speaking for Him now,
00:38:44.97\00:38:47.30
but at least 7... the
last 7 years preaching,
00:38:47.33\00:38:50.16
and I've not been ordained,
but that's not the issue
00:38:50.19\00:38:53.33
for me... if God
calls me, and He has,
00:38:53.36\00:38:55.64
then that's all
that matters! Amen! AMEN!
00:38:55.67\00:38:58.46
Thirty years ago, it was only
ladies used to wear bikinis,
00:38:58.49\00:39:00.78
but look what's
happening in the world today,
00:39:00.81\00:39:02.31
now there's so much
confusion, isn't there?
00:39:02.34\00:39:04.76
So much confusion!
00:39:04.79\00:39:06.06
Sister, I'm sure glad that, you
know, we have ladies like you
00:39:06.09\00:39:08.75
in the
ministry! It's a blessing!
00:39:08.78\00:39:10.32
I think she has sealed it.
00:39:10.35\00:39:11.60
I don't even think you
need any further commentary.
00:39:11.63\00:39:14.17
Let's move on... oh no?
You want to add something.
00:39:14.20\00:39:16.48
You're on a roll.
Yeah, I've got on a roll...
00:39:16.51\00:39:19.95
And the other thing
that I wanted to say here...
00:39:19.98\00:39:23.39
We are equal... just
because the husband is
00:39:23.42\00:39:26.25
the head of the
house, doesn't mean he is
00:39:26.28\00:39:28.35
more superior or anything,
we're all human beings here,
00:39:28.38\00:39:31.62
but equal but different;
we have different functions,
00:39:31.65\00:39:34.44
different roles and I
think, for me, when I came
00:39:34.47\00:39:37.31
to this issue, because
you have to come to this issue
00:39:37.34\00:39:39.30
it's the hot
potato... and the big elephant,
00:39:39.33\00:39:41.61
whatever you want to call it...
00:39:41.64\00:39:43.55
When I came to this
issue, I think of the Godhead,
00:39:43.58\00:39:46.57
Father, Son, Holy
Spirit, all God, equally God;
00:39:46.60\00:39:50.18
different functions.
00:39:50.21\00:39:51.28
Neither one of them
is jealous of the other,
00:39:51.31\00:39:53.47
but they are in
submission to one another,
00:39:53.50\00:39:56.03
and that to me, when
I thought about that,
00:39:56.06\00:39:57.85
I thought that is a
powerful argument. Settles it.
00:39:57.88\00:40:00.26
Amen! Amen!
00:40:00.29\00:40:01.81
I think you have
finished this. Yeah - thank you.
00:40:01.84\00:40:05.93
That's finished - you
are finished now, aren't you?
00:40:05.96\00:40:09.21
Lovely. All right.
00:40:09.24\00:40:11.45
Other Pentecostal
Churches or religions that don't
00:40:11.48\00:40:15.56
keep the Sabbath -
will there be people
00:40:15.59\00:40:19.02
that go to heaven from
those churches when Jesus comes?
00:40:19.05\00:40:21.74
Yes... next question.
00:40:21.77\00:40:26.77
You know, let
me say something...
00:40:29.38\00:40:31.12
We are not the only saved...
the time disappeared Rosemary...
00:40:31.15\00:40:35.66
We're not the only
saved people, understand that.
00:40:35.69\00:40:39.26
What is an Adventist?
00:40:39.29\00:40:40.84
And people have
asked, What is an Adventist?
00:40:40.87\00:40:42.88
Simply a Christian that
has taken the further step
00:40:42.91\00:40:46.87
in accepting the
truth of God's Word.
00:40:46.90\00:40:48.84
For us to say other
Christians don't know Jesus,
00:40:48.87\00:40:50.88
is to say what
He hasn't even said.
00:40:50.91\00:40:52.92
He said, "Other sheep I
have which are not of this fold,
00:40:52.95\00:40:55.96
but them also I must bring."
00:40:55.99\00:40:57.67
So the answer, I
think, to that is yes.
00:40:57.70\00:40:59.43
Just want to
give 3 verses on that.
00:40:59.46\00:41:02.27
Acts 17:30-31- "In the
times of his ignorance,
00:41:02.30\00:41:06.29
God winked at, he
overlooked, but now commands
00:41:06.32\00:41:09.06
all men everywhere to repent."
00:41:09.09\00:41:10.56
So how does God judge?
00:41:10.59\00:41:11.75
Based upon the
knowledge, the understanding,
00:41:11.78\00:41:13.68
the light we have.
00:41:13.71\00:41:14.74
Many people die
keeping Sunday all their life.
00:41:14.77\00:41:17.27
They did it in
sincerity, they loved God.
00:41:17.30\00:41:19.62
God sees their hearts
- they are going to be in
00:41:19.65\00:41:20.91
God's kingdom for sure.
00:41:20.94\00:41:22.45
Another one, James 4:17-
"To him who knows to do good
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but does not do it,
to him that is sin."
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And then in John 3:19-
"This is the condemnation
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that light has
come into the world,
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but men love
darkness rather than light
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because their deeds were evil."
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So there's no condemnation
for being in darkness
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or being in
ignorance or not being aware of
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all the truth.
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The condemnation comes when
light is presented, but we say
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"no thank you" to it and
we choose darkness over light.
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Very good, thank you,
we have 3 minutes left.
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Here's the question... if
anyone would like to answer.
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As a teen who loves
music and performing,
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is it okay for me to go on
shows like "Australian Idol,"
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or "American Idol."
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My question is, if
you sing that good,
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come down to Beau
Desert Church. Amen... Okay?
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I'll take you on.
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"Unclean Spirits" will
be available after Sabbath,
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the series on
music and entertainment.
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Just want to make that clear.
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We're not giving
out unclean spirits,
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but a series
called "Unclean Spirits."
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Here's the point...
"Love not the world,
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nor the things
that are in the world.
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If any man loves the world,
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the love of the
Father is not in him."
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I don't want to
sing for the world...
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One day I was
watching the Grammy Awards,
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and there were many
that could not sing on there
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as well as I did, and I said,
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"I could make a lot
of money being on that."
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And the Lord rebuked me,
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He said, "I don't
want you to be on that."
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I'd rather be
unknown in this world,
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and be known in the
Kingdom of God. Amen!
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Very quickly... No problem!
00:42:58.30\00:43:00.47
The titles of the
shows, "American Idol,"
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"Australian Idol," enough said.
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I'll just add a little point.
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Two years ago, we
had a big camp and we had
00:43:18.44\00:43:21.29
Anna Weatherup come and sing,
a beautiful Christian singer,
00:43:21.33\00:43:25.00
buy her album, she sings
great, but prior to that,
00:43:25.03\00:43:29.44
she had actually
been on "Australian Idol,"
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and she gave her
testimony at camp,
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and she said that if she
knew what it meant to sign up
00:43:34.13\00:43:38.19
to it, she never knew
what she was getting into.
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If you read the contract
and what you have to do...
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if you win "Australian Idol,"
and what takes place afterwards,
00:43:45.21\00:43:49.66
she said she was so glad
and she believed there was
00:43:49.69\00:43:52.15
providential that she
never won "Australian Idol"
00:43:52.18\00:43:54.74
and now she is a really
wonderful gospel singer.
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Yes, let us pray...
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Lord Heavenly Father,
Lord, we just thank You,
00:44:00.15\00:44:02.30
dear God, thank
You for men and women.
00:44:02.33\00:44:04.65
Men and women of God, dear Lord,
00:44:04.68\00:44:06.46
who are not afraid
to speak and to preach;
00:44:06.49\00:44:09.17
not afraid to step up, Lord.
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And Lord, You have put a
burden on each and every one
00:44:11.22\00:44:13.59
of their heart, dear God,
and I just pray, dear Lord,
00:44:13.62\00:44:15.44
that each and every one of
us, every person in this place,
00:44:15.47\00:44:17.99
dear Lord, that we do
move boldly forward, dear Lord,
00:44:18.02\00:44:21.35
with confidence,
great confidence, dear Lord,
00:44:21.38\00:44:23.52
that Jesus is coming
back, coming back soon
00:44:23.55\00:44:26.37
to take us home, but
until then, dear Lord,
00:44:26.40\00:44:28.23
until then, we
live in this world,
00:44:28.26\00:44:30.17
a world that is
marred by sin, confusion.
00:44:30.20\00:44:33.59
Satan has got his
way, but Lord, may we cling
00:44:33.62\00:44:36.89
to what is good - which is You.
00:44:36.92\00:44:38.94
We pray in the
name of Jesus, Amen
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