Hello friends. Welcome
to 3ABN's Fall Camp Meeting.
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We have just received
a wonderful blessing from
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Pastor Doug Batchelor.
And if you're just joining us,
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you missed it. But if you're
coming back, welcome back.
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Let's welcome them back with
a hearty amen. Can we do that?
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Amen! This is the hour that many
of you have been wondering about
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because Pastor Batchelor
has for a number of years
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been hosting Bible Answers Live.
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And I had the privilege when
I was in northern California to
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participate in a number of
programs together on the radio
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and I'll tell you a little bit
more about that in just a moment
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but this is the hour
where he's going to be answering
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Bible questions. Now
earlier these questions
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were sent. From Facebook we
had put the announcements out
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and quite a few
questions came in.
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Some people wrote questions
earlier today that I was able
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to get into the stack.
But you want to stay by
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because Pastor Batchelor
enjoys answering Bible questions
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and I'll have the joy
of asking those questions.
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I'll try my best not
to answer them either
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because I'll tell you
what that's all about.
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But before we go
into the next hour
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we're going to invite
the Lord's presence, and then
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I've been asked to sing a
song that really simply says
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turn our eyes upon
Jesus. Trust His Word, as we're
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going to see how important
it is to trust God's Word.
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And then the next voice that
you will hear will be that of
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Pastor Doug Batchelor.
Father in heaven, thank you
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for Your Word, which is
always a lamp unto our feet
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and a light unto our path.
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May we have such a connection
with You that Your Word
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becomes our daily
desire and our food.
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Nourish us, Father, as
we continue trusting You.
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In Jesus' name, Amen.
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O soul
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are you weary and troubled?
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No light
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in the darkness
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you see?
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There's life
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for a look at the Savior,
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And there's life more abundant
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and free!
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Turn your eyes
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upon Jesus,
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Look full in
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His wonderful face;
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And the things of earth
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will grow strangely dim
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In the light
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of His glory
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and grace.
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His word
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will not fail you
for He's promised;
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Believe it
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and all will be well:
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Then go
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to a world that is dying
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with His perfect salvation
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to tell!
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Turn your eyes upon Jesus,
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Look full in
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His wonderful face;
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And the things of earth
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will grow strangely dim
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In the light
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of His glory and grace...
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In the light
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of His glory
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and grace...
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In the light of God's
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glory
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and grace.
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Amen.
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I'd like to invite Pastor Doug
Batchelor to come and join us.
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It seems so long
since we've seen him.
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Have you noticed
that? You feel that?
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It's been a long time. We
have a rich history together,
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which I'm not going to spend
a lot of time because we have
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quite a few questions.
But I just want to say
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for those of you that don't
know: I received my beginning,
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my start in ministry,
in northern California
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when Pastor Doug invited me
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to come to the
Northern California Conference
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to begin my pastoral
ministry with him in evangelism.
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And that was back in 1987
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when... when both
of us had black hair.
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If I were thinking earlier I
would have shown that picture
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that we took way back in 1987
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when we began in Vallejo.
He had a lot more hair...
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we both were younger. But
God has been gracious to us
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because by God's grace
we're still here today. Amen.
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And I'm looking forward to this.
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And we did Bible questions
before a number of times -
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oh yeah - so I'm going to
rest tonight. I'm going to
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try my best... but I'm not
guaranteeing that I'm going to
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resist unto death. 'Cause
sometimes I would ask a question
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to Doug, and he answers it
really well, but there's always
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an answer in my head too.
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So these questions... we're not
going to get through all of them
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but let me go ahead and give
you the 1st one. Are you ready?
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All right. This is from Ohio.
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In the Old Testament
there was a great significance
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placed on
blessing the first-born son
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as in the case of Isaac
blessing Jacob and Esau.
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Does that have any
relevance to us today?
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Well, I think...
Yes it does, but I think
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in particular it's important
to bless your children.
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And this was a very solemn time
when parents would confer this
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blessing. In
particular with the patriarchs,
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they knew that the Messiah
was going to come through
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their line. And so the blessing
that Jacob basically stole
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from Esau was not the blessing
so much of the first-born
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inheritance. The first-born used
to get a double inheritance.
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He wanted the spiritual
blessing that the Messiah
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would come through his line.
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And so that's why it
says that Jacob was interested
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in the spiritual side.
Esau... he was more interested
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in the beans, you remember,
when he sold his birthright.
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When Jacob came back
into the Promised Land
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he gave his brother
a lot of tangible gifts
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to show I'm not
after Dad's inheritance.
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'Cause Isaac was still alive. He
wanted the spiritual blessing.
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OK. Why did the God of the
Old Testament have whole tribes
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put to death? I know God
is a loving and caring God
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but this puzzles me.
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God in the New
Testament does also.
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What I mean by that is
Jesus is the same God as the Old
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Testament. Jesus said:
"Then all of the tribes of
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the earth will mourn, and
they will see the Son of Man
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coming in the
clouds of heaven. "
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There's going to be a
lot of tribes that die
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in heaven. [sic]
During the flood were there
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a lot of people that died?
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Now people especially
think about when God told Saul
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to go and to basically
annihilate the Amalekites.
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You just need to know
that this was a people that had
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vowed to the
destruction of Israel.
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They were full of
disease, child sacrifice
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and all kinds of abominations.
You think of all the abominable
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that God told them not to do
- the Israelites - not to do...
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the Amalekites did it all.
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Plus they're the ones who
attacked the children of Israel
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when they came out
of Egypt from behind.
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The children and the
elderly and the weak.
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And they were at constant war.
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And so also in order
to prevent intermarriage
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God said to Saul and
some of the kings, He said:
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"You're to
attack and annihilate. "
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He told Joshua for
the people of Jericho -
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the only ones who were spared
were those in Rahab's house -
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to attack and annihilate them.
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It's because their offspring
would vow to continue the battle
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of their parents and there
would have never been any peace.
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I know it sounds brutal,
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but that's just how it
was when they were at war.
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Could I add
something? Nope! OK... Go ahead.
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We had a Bible question/answer
period in Sacramento Carmichael.
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I never forgot that
because I kept on butting in and
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answering. Doug said:
"John, you ask the questions;
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I answer them. " He
said: "Besides, you look like
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a Volkswagen
with its doors open. "
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And I said: "And you look like a
convertible with the top down. "
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And there was no more
sanity beyond that point.
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But just to add this other
point: what a lot of people
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don't know is that more people
are going to die in the...
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in the destruction of the
wicked in hell than died in the
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Old Testament. Oh yeah.
So the worst is yet to come
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and it's the same God. Yep.
All right. Could I go on? Yes.
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Seven last plagues.
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Is it a sin to eat unclean foods
or simply a poor health choice
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like eating sugar
and drinking caffeine?
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Well, it would be a sin for me
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because sin is knowing
to do good and not doing it.
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There'll be people in
heaven that had several wives
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at one time. Is that right?
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Jacob and David and Abraham.
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Well... Abraham...
he kind of meandered.
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Well, yeah. He
actually put away Hagar. But
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Solomon. They lived in a
time where God winked at their
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ignorance 'cause
they did not know.
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But when a person knows what
the Bible says on any particular
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truth and you persist
in high-handed rebellion...
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If we continue to sin
willfully after we've received
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the knowledge of the
truth - that's Hebrews 10:26-
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there remains no
more sacrifice for sin.
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And so if a person persists
willingly in any known sin -
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and you know, we all
struggle with sin and temptation
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but I mean you just
resign yourself to sin -
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that's dangerous. Whether
it's, you know, eating pork
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or whatever it is.
When you know what God says
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about something and you persist
in doing what you know is wrong.
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Yeah, it could be...
Yeah. You know, if you're...
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It could be sugar.
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I'm not going to scare
you. Well, you know, some people
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have diabetes. And the
doctor says: "Don't do this,
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it's going to kill you. "
And you say: "I don't care
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what the doctor says. "
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The Bible says:
"Thou shalt not kill. "
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That would
include yourself, right?
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Some people are killing them-
selves with all kinds of things.
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This is a pretty long question
so I'm going to try to get right
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through this. I
have been watching you
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on and off for years now.
Let's see, here's the other one.
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I have a problem with
your teaching that Jesus was
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crucified on Friday. If so,
it makes Jesus out to be a liar
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because if He was raised on
Sunday then from Friday night
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to Saturday
night would be one day
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and Saturday night to
Sunday night would be two days.
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How can this fulfill the
three days and three nights
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in the grave as He predicted?
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This causes me to believe
that Jesus was crucified on
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Wednesday fulfilling the
three days and three nights.
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This is a common
question that we get.
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There's only one
statement in Matthew chapter 12
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where He says in verse 40:
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"As Jonah was three days
and three nights in the belly
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of the great fish, the
Son of Man will be three days
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and three nights in
the heart of the earth. "
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The misunderstanding
is what does it mean to be
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in the heart of the earth.
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The word there, heart,
is cardia. The word earth
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is talking about the world.
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It's not talking about
Jesus' time in the tomb.
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It's talking about
Jesus' time suffering for the
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sins of the world...
which began Thursday night.
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Christ Himself
said: "Now is the hour. "
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And God withdrew
Himself from Him.
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Christ the third time in
the garden said: "Not My will...
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Thy will be done. "
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The Father
withdrew His protection.
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The mob came. For the first
time when they tried to attack
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Christ the Lord and
angels did not protect Him.
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And He was suffering
for the sins of the world
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Thursday night,
Friday night, Saturday night
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in the heart of the earth...
in the clutches of the devil
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and his demons
paying the penalty for sin.
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We all assume it means the tomb.
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When you say the Lord's
Prayer "Thy will be done
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in earth as it is in heaven, "
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does in earth mean the tomb?
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It means in the world, right?
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It's a common misunderstanding.
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Don't try and change
the date for the crucifixion
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because of that verse. And
folks get all upset about that.
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And so that's the answer. And
plus there's inclusive reckoning
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that I think is very important
because any part of the day
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included the whole day. Is he
helping answer questions again?
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No, no. And that even though
He was crucified, Jesus said,
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He would rise the third day.
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If he had to be there three days
and three nights He would be
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rising the fourth
day. Think about that. Yep.
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OK. I didn't
answer that question.
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This is just a suggestion.
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OK... wasn't an answer.
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Why did God put the Tree of
the Knowledge of Good and Evil
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in the Garden of Eden?
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Why is our free-will
thinking always evil?
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Before I keep
compounding the question...
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Why is the strength of
thinking spiritually weaker than
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of thinking evil? If God
has decided for me to choose,
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then why is it that He will
judge me when I don't choose
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to do His deeds? Wow!
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Well all of the
creatures in God's creation
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that have intelligence,
creatures made with a free will,
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are able to choose whether
or not to trust the Lord.
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The Lord spelled out
something very simple.
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He gave Adam and Eve
everything that could delight
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their senses for
food. He just said...
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And the Tree of Life was right
there in the midst of the garden
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also. So He said:
"Eat from the Tree of Life
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and do not eat from
this tree of disobedience. "
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God said: "If you
eat of it, you'll die. "
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And Adam and Eve
began to die spiritually
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that very day that they ate it.
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The Bible says a day with
the Lord is as a thousand years
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and a thousand years as
a day, and no man made it
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to the millennium. They all died
in that first millennial day
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you might say. But, so why
did God test them like that?
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Because love
must be freely given
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and so He was demonstrating
they had a free choice.
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And if you
choose to serve the Lord
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you can't love
Him through force.
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We all must choose to love Him.
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And so He allowed all
His creatures to have a test.
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The good news is He
didn't tell the devil that
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He could harass Adam and
Eve all over the creation.
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He said: "There's only one place
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where he's going
to meet with you...
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and avoid this temptation. "
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And when Eve was then
lingering nearby the tree
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that's when he
launched his assault.
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OK. Let's go to the next one.
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After God created Adam and Eve
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they had children.
This always comes up.
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Where did Seth's wife
and Cain's wife come from?
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Did God create
another family for them
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to procreate with?
Or was there inbreeding?
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Well I guess you'd
say there's inbreeding
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because the Bible says
that Adam and Eve had sons and
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daughters in
chapter 5 of Genesis.
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And like I mentioned, if
they lived hundreds of years...
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They probably were not in
the Garden of Eden very long
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before they fell with sin
because they were perfectly
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healthy and they
hadn't had any children yet.
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So it wasn't too long
after they were created
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when sin happened.
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Adam and Eve were
brother and sister...
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you ever think about that?
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Who were their parents?
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Matter of fact it was
really kind of weird because
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Eve came out of Adam's rib.
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And that's why it says
that any man that loves his wife
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loves his own flesh.
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But it was not a
sin at the beginning
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to marry a sibling.
It was as time went by
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by the time of Moses with
some of the genetic weaknesses
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that you have when
families just intermarry
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but Jacob married his cousin.
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Isaac married his cousin.
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Abraham married his sister.
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You start going back and
the Bible's really clear.
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They didn't have a
problem with it back then
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and there weren't the genetic
problems that they have today.
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So you're not suggesting
that they marry their cousin?
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No, there's too many genetic
problems in the world for that
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right now. This is a
question I think I can answer:
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Do dogs go to heaven?
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If they've been
really good... no.
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No... I'm hoping
"Dougs" go to heaven!
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Dougs go to heaven. That's a
question that often comes up.
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Will there be animals in heaven?
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There will be animals in heaven.
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You know, the Bible
doesn't say that Jesus died
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to save our pets. I'm just
going to be honest with you.
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You know there's nothing...
God did speak through a donkey
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and the devil spoke through a
snake. But it doesn't say that
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Jesus died to
redeem the animals.
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But there will be
animals in heaven.
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And it's not beyond the
Lord to surprise someone by
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resurrecting a favorite
pet and giving them a little
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regenerated animal body.
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And so I don't think
you can rule that out
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but you can really teach it
dogmatically from the Bible.
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No pun intended... dogmatically.
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I'm glad you got that.
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Does God love Lucifer just
as He loves all of us sinners?
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Well God is love. God
knows what Lucifer used to be.
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God made Lucifer; we
all would have loved him
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then... some still do.
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But God is love.
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Lucifer has no more
redeemable qualities.
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In other words, his
probation is closed.
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And people say: "If we
all pray for the devil,
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will all our problems
go away if he repents? "
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That's not going to
happen. God is clear.
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Satan knows he has a
short time. Revelation 12.
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So God hates sin. The devil
is now the embodiment of evil
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so I would think
that God hates it.
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Does that make sense?
00:19:57.27\00:19:58.93
Plus... He loves what
he used to be but not now.
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And I think: Does God love
Lucifer? Yes. He doesn't like
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Satan. OK? Lucifer
was before the fall.
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Can't help himself. Amen.
00:20:08.99\00:20:11.61
Right now I'm going
through? I feel like I'm on...
00:20:14.06\00:20:16.65
Like gettin' it on
in a recovery program.
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Feel like we're in a
half-way house right now.
00:20:19.30\00:20:22.94
'Cause we did Bible
answers together and I do Bible
00:20:25.64\00:20:28.11
questions too... but I'm
trying to be nice tonight.
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Oh John can answer all these
questions and we're having fun.
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Not as well as I can,
but he can answer them all.
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Doug, this
question's from an 8-year-old.
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I think you can answer this one.
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Are angels girls?
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That is an amazing question.
00:20:42.61\00:20:44.23
All right...
let's think about this.
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One of the things that
separates boys and girls
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is the plumbing.
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And all the times that
angels appeared in the Bible
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they always appeared as a man.
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Now you know we did a
cosmic conflict program
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some of you saw, and
we were short on subs
00:21:04.32\00:21:07.17
and I wasn't there that
day and they brought in girls
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and dressed them up as angels.
00:21:09.57\00:21:10.83
And I later
reproved the director.
00:21:11.13\00:21:13.19
I mean it was a
great program but I said...
00:21:13.29\00:21:15.14
How do you say this delicately?
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Do angels procreate?
00:21:19.72\00:21:21.72
Is the Bible clear on that?
00:21:22.02\00:21:23.06
Angels don't have
little baby angels.
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What is the purpose
for nursing children?
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Would angels
have that apparatus?
00:21:29.87\00:21:32.73
See what I'm saying?
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So it seems strange
to me to see girl angels.
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Someone help me...
does that make sense?
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Amen. You should have
answered that one. OK, OK.
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I was waiting... I was waiting.
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You need to read Ezekiel
chapter 1 and 2 as it describes
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angels - seraphim and cherubim.
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Now maybe girls are
angels because the description
00:21:56.52\00:22:00.03
of angels in Ezekiel is
a creature with four heads.
00:22:00.23\00:22:02.92
Don't take that wrong.
00:22:04.13\00:22:07.20
Face of a man, the face
of an ox, face of an eagle
00:22:08.67\00:22:10.82
if you read the description.
But when they appear to humanity
00:22:10.92\00:22:13.72
God allows them to appear to us
in a form that we can relate to.
00:22:13.83\00:22:17.42
But when we see angels, I'm sure
they will appear quite different
00:22:17.82\00:22:21.71
than they look to us in the
earth. Yeah, they don't have
00:22:21.91\00:22:24.28
the gender
distinctions like we do. Yes.
00:22:24.38\00:22:27.01
Wow! A lot of kids
sent some questions.
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If God knew that
Satan was going to be evil,
00:22:31.55\00:22:34.10
then why did He create him?
00:22:34.40\00:22:36.47
Why did He not leave
him out and not make him?
00:22:36.57\00:22:39.75
Well, it's one of the greatest
demonstrations that God is a God
00:22:40.89\00:22:43.73
of love is that
He loves us so much
00:22:43.83\00:22:47.05
and He respects our freedom
00:22:47.15\00:22:48.57
that He will not arbitrarily
only make those that love Him.
00:22:48.97\00:22:52.68
'Cause that would mean
that we're automated robots
00:22:53.18\00:22:54.93
that just say:
"I love You God. "
00:22:55.13\00:22:56.59
That would hint that He
pre-programmed us where we
00:22:56.79\00:23:00.60
have to love Him
or He won't make us.
00:23:00.70\00:23:02.67
And so to prove that He
will even make a creature
00:23:03.07\00:23:05.71
that has the freedom to
rebel... Just because God knows
00:23:05.91\00:23:08.84
the future does not mean He's
always making the future happen.
00:23:09.04\00:23:11.74
There's a difference
between knowing everything
00:23:12.14\00:23:14.01
and manipulating things.
00:23:14.31\00:23:15.78
Why would we pray "Thy
will be done" if God's will
00:23:16.08\00:23:18.06
is always done? God's
will is not always done.
00:23:18.16\00:23:20.74
God is not willing that
any should perish, right?
00:23:21.14\00:23:23.99
But will some perish?
00:23:24.22\00:23:25.89
And so just because God
knew that Lucifer would fall
00:23:26.39\00:23:28.85
doesn't mean that
He made him that way.
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I know that sometimes
really makes you put your
00:23:31.40\00:23:34.52
processor in high speed
00:23:34.82\00:23:38.62
trying to grapple
with these things.
00:23:38.82\00:23:40.95
Here's one that didn't
come in through e-mail but
00:23:41.35\00:23:43.87
it came in earlier
and made it in the pile.
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Daniel 4:19. They
want to ask the question
00:23:47.17\00:23:50.75
the part of the verse that
says: "The dream be to them that
00:23:50.95\00:23:53.89
hate thee. " They
said explain that.
00:23:54.10\00:23:56.56
Yeah, well, this is
the dream of the tree,
00:23:56.86\00:23:58.63
and Daniel is telling
Nebuchadnezzar that you're
00:23:58.83\00:24:01.15
going to be cut down and
you're going to be crazy.
00:24:01.25\00:24:03.31
He meant this dream
is going to be something
00:24:03.61\00:24:05.44
that will make
your enemies happy.
00:24:05.54\00:24:07.26
That Nebuchadnezzar
would be de-throned
00:24:07.56\00:24:09.93
and that he would lose his mind.
00:24:10.13\00:24:11.59
He'd be humiliated
groveling like an animal.
00:24:11.79\00:24:14.10
That would be something that
would please those that hate you
00:24:14.40\00:24:17.14
Daniel is saying
to Nebuchadnezzar.
00:24:17.34\00:24:18.83
OK. How did Satan get in
heaven before God tested Job?
00:24:19.03\00:24:24.89
I thought he was
kicked out of heaven.
00:24:25.29\00:24:27.15
Well, up until the time
when Christ died on the cross
00:24:29.01\00:24:33.23
Satan could still...
You see, Satan claimed
00:24:33.43\00:24:35.96
this planet. Adam was
the prince of this world.
00:24:36.06\00:24:38.81
Adam had dominion of the planet.
00:24:39.01\00:24:40.49
When Adam and Eve
chose to listen to the devil
00:24:40.79\00:24:42.88
instead of God they
surrendered the dominion.
00:24:42.98\00:24:45.25
Romans 6 says whoever you obey
00:24:45.55\00:24:48.00
that's whose servants
you are. And when they chose
00:24:48.20\00:24:49.79
to obey Lucifer, the
planet really became Lucifer's.
00:24:49.89\00:24:53.39
Even Jesus, up until His
death, He refers to Lucifer as
00:24:53.60\00:24:56.51
the prince of this world.
00:24:56.71\00:24:58.27
So up until that
time Satan would access
00:24:58.68\00:25:01.23
the courts of heaven. Or when
they had these heavenly meetings
00:25:01.44\00:25:04.62
where the sons of God
came to present themselves
00:25:05.02\00:25:07.43
before the Lord - these are
the leaders of other worlds -
00:25:07.53\00:25:09.68
Satan came also among them
saying: "I come to represent
00:25:10.08\00:25:12.35
earth. " But after
Jesus died on the cross
00:25:12.55\00:25:15.25
Christ said: "I saw Satan fall
like lightning from heaven. "
00:25:15.55\00:25:18.60
Satan was defeated. He could
no longer represent the world.
00:25:19.00\00:25:21.74
Jesus had
redeemed it at that point.
00:25:21.94\00:25:23.77
OK. Wow, here's another... Wow!
00:25:24.27\00:25:27.82
Many teach that the law is
not only the Ten Commandments
00:25:28.12\00:25:31.31
but it also is the
Torah where it applies.
00:25:31.51\00:25:35.24
So why don't we
observe the high Sabbaths
00:25:35.57\00:25:38.81
and the land Sabbaths?
00:25:39.01\00:25:40.87
Does it make
sense to ignore these?
00:25:40.97\00:25:42.89
The Bible says that
not one jot or tittle
00:25:43.09\00:25:45.60
shall pass from the law.
00:25:45.80\00:25:47.86
If we are spiritual Israel, then
how does it not apply to us?
00:25:48.16\00:25:52.79
Well first of all,
there is a difference between
00:25:53.40\00:25:55.42
the Ten Commandments and the
Torah... the rest of the Torah.
00:25:55.52\00:25:58.08
Just God made a distinction
in the way He gave the
00:25:58.28\00:26:00.89
Ten Commandments.
Spoke it with His own voice.
00:26:00.99\00:26:03.70
Did it audibly. Wrote
it with His own finger.
00:26:03.90\00:26:05.77
Wrote it on a different surface.
00:26:05.87\00:26:07.54
God made a difference
so there is a difference.
00:26:07.74\00:26:09.47
The Ten Commandments are the
perfect expression of God's will
00:26:09.77\00:26:12.82
in a very concise way.
00:26:12.92\00:26:14.28
There's also a difference
between the 7th-day Sabbath
00:26:14.68\00:26:17.08
and these other
ceremonial Sabbaths.
00:26:17.18\00:26:19.01
Now I would not lump
the agricultural Sabbath
00:26:19.31\00:26:22.89
in the same way as you
would some of the Sabbaths,
00:26:23.09\00:26:26.17
the annual Sabbaths,
like the Feast of Trumpets
00:26:26.27\00:26:28.70
and the Passover.
It's still a good idea
00:26:28.80\00:26:31.48
to fallow your
land every few year.
00:26:31.68\00:26:33.85
George Washington
Carver proved that
00:26:34.05\00:26:36.28
when the cotton farmers
basically depleted the soil
00:26:36.49\00:26:39.51
by over-farming. Said:
"You've got to plow it under. "
00:26:39.61\00:26:43.04
That's where they
plant peanuts or something.
00:26:43.34\00:26:45.28
To put nitrogen back in the
ground He said: "You've got to
00:26:45.48\00:26:47.11
let the land rest... you
can't just keep sapping. "
00:26:47.21\00:26:50.00
So that's still a good law.
That's not in the same category
00:26:50.30\00:26:52.79
as the ceremonial laws that
were connected with the temple.
00:26:52.90\00:26:56.13
The Sabbath of the Ten
Commandments was before
00:26:56.33\00:26:58.59
there was even sin.
These Sabbath came after sin.
00:26:58.70\00:27:02.59
And so part of God's
perfect world is remembering the
00:27:03.39\00:27:07.65
seventh-day Sabbath...
even in heaven. Isaiah 66:
00:27:07.75\00:27:10.48
"From one Sabbath to another
all flesh will come and worship
00:27:10.68\00:27:13.58
before the Lord. " And so
when Jesus died on the cross
00:27:13.68\00:27:17.12
the veil and the
curtain was torn.
00:27:18.57\00:27:20.35
We now have a new
temple; Christ is the temple.
00:27:20.65\00:27:23.16
They took away Christ's robe;
00:27:23.77\00:27:26.36
we are now covered with the
robe of Christ's righteousness.
00:27:26.57\00:27:28.73
The high priest tore his robes;
00:27:29.13\00:27:31.21
there is now a new priesthood.
00:27:31.41\00:27:33.16
"You are a nation
of kings and priests. "
00:27:33.36\00:27:35.40
So the whole economy changed
so that all the ceremonial laws:
00:27:35.61\00:27:39.29
that's what's nailed to the
cross in Colossians chapter 2.
00:27:39.49\00:27:42.44
But the seventh-day Sabbath was
not part of the ceremonial law.
00:27:43.34\00:27:46.13
It's part of the Ten Command-
ments and it pre-dates sin.
00:27:46.33\00:27:49.50
That's a long answer. Sorry.
00:27:49.70\00:27:50.88
We needed that. I don't know
how many more questions we have
00:27:50.99\00:27:53.68
but we're going to keep going.
00:27:53.78\00:27:54.94
Even if we don't have any
more questions we're going to
00:27:55.14\00:27:56.66
make them up. We
should have more.
00:27:56.76\00:28:00.61
Yeah, we have a lot more
questions. OK? One of the issues
00:28:00.81\00:28:04.47
here is that in some places
you go people are wanting to
00:28:04.67\00:28:08.18
keep the feast days, and that's
been a big part of this issue
00:28:08.28\00:28:11.28
in Colossians 2.
But as you mentioned
00:28:11.38\00:28:13.99
those other Sabbaths came after.
The Bible says Christ is our
00:28:14.19\00:28:16.83
Passover - that's right -
now. And so for us to say that
00:28:16.94\00:28:20.71
you know, the way that
we remember Christ is by
00:28:20.91\00:28:23.01
sacrificing a Passover lamb...
00:28:23.11\00:28:24.58
First of all, you're supposed
to bring it to the temple.
00:28:24.99\00:28:26.80
We can't do that any more.
00:28:27.20\00:28:28.48
And so it's almost a denial of
the reality of Jesus to go back
00:28:28.88\00:28:33.15
and keep the ceremonial laws.
00:28:33.35\00:28:34.99
Good question. The Sabbath is
causing great controversy in my
00:28:36.27\00:28:42.22
mind. I want to
worship on the Sabbath...
00:28:42.42\00:28:45.30
That's not me, that's
this person saying this...
00:28:45.70\00:28:48.38
I want to worship on the Sabbath
but am presently a primitive
00:28:48.49\00:28:51.63
Baptist. My church worships
on Sunday as you probably know.
00:28:51.73\00:28:56.45
But are we in direct conflict
with the fourth commandment?
00:28:56.59\00:29:00.05
By the way, I've got some
friends... If I'm not mistaken,
00:29:01.71\00:29:05.01
the primitive Baptists also...
they like to go by the Bible.
00:29:05.11\00:29:08.31
They practice foot washing
00:29:08.61\00:29:10.41
'cause Jesus said: "If I wash
your feet, you ought to wash
00:29:10.71\00:29:13.38
one another's feet. "
But the Bible is very clear
00:29:13.48\00:29:16.75
in my mind that God didn't
change the Ten Commandments.
00:29:16.95\00:29:20.87
And that would include He
didn't change the one that says
00:29:21.28\00:29:24.38
"Remember THE seventh day. "
Now if God had said: "Remember
00:29:24.58\00:29:27.34
A seventh day, " then it
wouldn't matter if your church
00:29:27.54\00:29:30.31
chose to do it on
Sunday or Monday or whatever.
00:29:30.51\00:29:33.18
But He says there
is a particular day.
00:29:33.58\00:29:35.69
And you know, if I tell
you: "Can you please bring me
00:29:35.99\00:29:37.96
the book? " you're not going to
just grab a hymnal or any book
00:29:38.06\00:29:41.33
that's near you. You're going
to say: "He said THE book. "
00:29:41.43\00:29:43.20
That means there's a
definitive book I'm thinking of.
00:29:43.30\00:29:45.88
And when God says: "The seventh
day is the Sabbath of the Lord"
00:29:46.28\00:29:49.15
and there in Genesis 2 it
says: "And on the seventh day
00:29:49.25\00:29:51.99
the Lord blessed the seventh day
and He made the 7th day holy. "
00:29:52.19\00:29:54.39
God is very specific. As a
matter of fact, I challenge
00:29:54.49\00:29:56.97
a person to find words that
are more specific than the ones
00:29:57.07\00:30:01.27
that God used. What
else are you going to say?
00:30:01.38\00:30:03.60
He was as
specific as He could be.
00:30:03.80\00:30:05.69
There's a particular
day He wants us to remember
00:30:05.90\00:30:08.29
and keep holy as the Sabbath.
00:30:08.49\00:30:09.52
Tells us how to
do that in the Bible.
00:30:09.80\00:30:11.43
If we say: "No, we're going
to go with another day that's
00:30:11.73\00:30:14.40
popular, " whether it's
the first day or the third day
00:30:14.50\00:30:17.09
rather than the day God blesses
00:30:17.29\00:30:19.16
you have to ask this
question: "When God told Naaman
00:30:19.36\00:30:22.61
"Wash seven times, " did
it matter whether it was the
00:30:22.71\00:30:26.29
first time or the seventh time?
00:30:26.39\00:30:28.07
When God told Joshua: "March
around the city seven times
00:30:29.58\00:30:33.43
on the seventh day... " Jericho,
00:30:33.63\00:30:35.63
did it matter
whether he did it six times?
00:30:35.73\00:30:38.23
If they had said: "Well,
you know, our feet are sore.
00:30:38.63\00:30:41.00
We're going to blow the
trumpets after the first time. "
00:30:41.10\00:30:42.84
When God told Moses: "Strike
the rock, or speak to the rock"
00:30:43.14\00:30:46.35
and he goes and he hits it twice
00:30:46.55\00:30:48.35
did that make a difference?
Is God particular? Amen!
00:30:48.55\00:30:51.18
And so I think God
means what He says.
00:30:51.58\00:30:54.12
And He promises that He
blessed a certain time...
00:30:54.32\00:30:56.89
we want the time
that He's blessed.
00:30:57.10\00:30:58.61
He made a certain time holy.
00:30:58.91\00:31:00.44
We cannot... we can't make
it holy by picking our own time.
00:31:00.74\00:31:03.44
And so I think it's
pretty arrogant for man to say
00:31:04.43\00:31:07.87
"We're going to
declare our own day holy"
00:31:08.08\00:31:09.91
or for a church to do it.
00:31:10.02\00:31:11.30
We can't change the
commandments of God.
00:31:11.33\00:31:13.48
And I think what's included
in this question that is not
00:31:15.04\00:31:18.05
included in the question is,
I want you to also clarify that,
00:31:18.15\00:31:21.32
we're not saying that people
that go to church on Sunday
00:31:21.42\00:31:23.20
are lost. We're not saying
that. But what we're saying is
00:31:23.30\00:31:26.25
when you love the Lord
and you understand the truth
00:31:26.45\00:31:28.26
of God's Word, then
you ask for the Lord
00:31:28.36\00:31:30.86
to give you the love
to be obedient to it.
00:31:31.06\00:31:33.29
Right. I think you mentioned
that earlier in your sermon.
00:31:33.49\00:31:35.10
Yeah, it's the same principle.
There will be a whole lot of
00:31:35.30\00:31:37.26
people in heaven that went to
church on the first day of the
00:31:37.46\00:31:39.77
week, and there'll be
people in heaven that ate pork.
00:31:39.97\00:31:43.42
I mean, there's going to
be people in heaven that maybe
00:31:43.72\00:31:45.69
didn't know a lot of things. But
when we know what God's will is
00:31:45.79\00:31:49.67
on a certain subject, Jesus
said: "If you know these things,
00:31:49.88\00:31:53.77
happy are you if you do them. "
00:31:53.97\00:31:56.33
Thank you, Doug. Um-hmm.
00:31:56.63\00:31:59.26
OK, this is one we can
probably spend some time on.
00:32:01.72\00:32:04.78
The Bible clearly says
the wicked will burn forever
00:32:05.08\00:32:09.22
and ever and
that the worm dies not
00:32:09.32\00:32:13.08
and the smoke of their
torment goes day and night...
00:32:13.28\00:32:17.52
clearly meaning at
least a 24-hour time cycle.
00:32:17.82\00:32:21.29
SDA's don't believe that.
00:32:21.60\00:32:23.69
What explanation can you
give for this conclusion?
00:32:23.99\00:32:26.44
I will chime in on
this but you start.
00:32:26.85\00:32:28.46
That means I've just got to talk
and not give him a break, right?
00:32:29.45\00:32:32.26
You know, understanding the
subject of the punishment of the
00:32:35.69\00:32:38.47
wicked was some of the best
news... I know that may sound
00:32:38.57\00:32:41.31
like a contradiction...
that I ever heard because
00:32:41.41\00:32:43.79
one reason I turned away
from God and Christianity
00:32:44.09\00:32:46.84
is I went to a religious school
that taught ever-burning hell
00:32:47.14\00:32:51.00
and that if babies
even weren't baptized...
00:32:51.40\00:32:53.83
And I just... You
know, I thought: "Here I am
00:32:54.23\00:32:56.75
13 years old. I'm probably past
the age of accountability. "
00:32:56.95\00:33:00.67
I figured Jesus was
baptized at 12. "If I die,
00:33:00.97\00:33:04.91
I am now going to
burn for billions of years
00:33:05.31\00:33:08.55
A million, zillion years go by
and you've never even begun. "
00:33:08.75\00:33:11.68
Can you imagine that?
Writhing in burning flames?
00:33:11.88\00:33:15.98
Blistering, screeching agony;
billions of years. I thought:
00:33:16.28\00:33:20.17
"What kind of God
would torture creatures
00:33:20.41\00:33:26.19
that He's made that are
born with the propensity to sin
00:33:26.49\00:33:30.57
Why would He? " I
said: "Where's the justice?
00:33:30.97\00:33:33.60
Where's the love? " I
couldn't figure that out.
00:33:33.70\00:33:35.95
When I realized what the Bible
really said about that subject:
00:33:36.15\00:33:39.14
John 3:16...
you're got two choices.
00:33:39.44\00:33:41.92
Believe in
Him... everlasting life.
00:33:42.53\00:33:45.36
Do not believe... perish.
00:33:45.56\00:33:47.19
"Behold a day
comes... " Malachi chapter 4...
00:33:47.79\00:33:50.40
"that will burn as an oven.
And all the proud and all that
00:33:50.60\00:33:52.49
do wickedly will be stubble.
00:33:52.59\00:33:53.97
The day that
comes will burn them up.
00:33:54.07\00:33:56.19
Leave them
neither root nor branch. "
00:33:56.40\00:33:58.24
Psalms says the wicked
will consume away into smoke.
00:33:58.54\00:34:01.55
And Revelation 20 says
fire comes down from God
00:34:01.95\00:34:04.34
out of heaven and devours them.
00:34:04.44\00:34:06.66
There's only two choices...
there's life and death.
00:34:07.16\00:34:09.70
The Bible tells us
that in the hell fire
00:34:10.10\00:34:12.40
Jesus said: "Do not fear
him, " Matthew chapter 10,
00:34:12.60\00:34:15.15
"who destroys the body
but cannot destroy the soul.
00:34:15.35\00:34:17.63
Rather fear Him who will
destroy soul and body in hell. "
00:34:17.83\00:34:23.53
It's not just the
body that's burned up.
00:34:23.66\00:34:24.97
Soul and body will be destroyed.
00:34:25.27\00:34:27.55
Now they talk
about the verse that says
00:34:28.05\00:34:30.55
everlasting destruction
because the penalty for sin
00:34:30.75\00:34:34.55
is... There is a lake of
fire. We don't doubt that.
00:34:34.75\00:34:37.28
So you can call that hell fire.
00:34:37.48\00:34:38.85
And the wicked there are
every man is punished according
00:34:39.05\00:34:42.15
to what he deserves. If
everybody burns forever,
00:34:42.25\00:34:44.92
everyone gets
the same punishment.
00:34:45.02\00:34:46.52
But it says... what
about where it says forever?
00:34:48.59\00:34:52.48
Well, most of the time
in the Bible when it says
00:34:53.57\00:34:56.87
forever it means forever...
but there are exceptions.
00:34:57.07\00:34:59.38
And you have
where Jonah - chapter 2-
00:34:59.61\00:35:02.44
it says: "The earth with her
bars was around me forever. "
00:35:02.84\00:35:06.21
Now if you were in the great
fish, it would have felt like
00:35:06.51\00:35:08.80
forever. When Hannah
brought Samuel to the temple
00:35:08.90\00:35:12.95
she said: "I'm leaving him here
so he can serve before the Lord
00:35:13.35\00:35:16.61
forever. " What
did forever mean? Well,
00:35:16.82\00:35:18.87
till he died. When a
servant loved his master
00:35:19.07\00:35:24.28
he would go through a
ritual where he would show that
00:35:24.48\00:35:27.39
he wanted to serve his master
forever, even if he was set free
00:35:27.49\00:35:30.38
after seven years. And they
would basically drive a nail
00:35:30.48\00:35:34.00
through his earlobe
to the door - the only
00:35:34.10\00:35:36.08
ear piercing
permitted in the Bible -
00:35:36.19\00:35:37.97
and then it meant he will be
his servant it says "forever. "
00:35:38.17\00:35:42.45
Forever? Even in eternity?
00:35:42.85\00:35:44.38
Or does that mean till he dies?
00:35:44.68\00:35:46.11
Means until he dies.
00:35:46.51\00:35:48.12
So it's simply
saying when it says forever
00:35:48.42\00:35:51.14
it means until it's all gone.
00:35:51.24\00:35:53.06
And it comes from the
word... In Greek the word is
00:35:53.36\00:35:56.73
eon - aion... where
we get the word eon.
00:35:56.93\00:35:59.63
Have you ever said to somebody:
"Why I haven't seen them
00:35:59.83\00:36:01.43
in eons? " Does
that mean forever?
00:36:01.46\00:36:04.04
Or is it a figure of speech?
00:36:04.24\00:36:06.09
And so it's often
used in a very vague way.
00:36:06.32\00:36:09.53
And this is a Greek word,
so don't build... If you've got
00:36:09.73\00:36:12.49
a hundred
scriptures here on this side
00:36:12.79\00:36:17.06
that make it clear the devil
said: "You will not surely die"
00:36:17.26\00:36:21.93
you'll either live forever in
heaven or live forever in hell.
00:36:22.13\00:36:24.62
The devil says you won't really
die; God says you WILL die.
00:36:24.72\00:36:27.35
A lot of the world is
believing what the devil said
00:36:27.75\00:36:30.03
instead of what God says.
You've got 100 verses that say
00:36:30.14\00:36:32.24
they'll perish, they'll be
consumed, they'll be devoured,
00:36:32.34\00:36:35.04
they'll die. In
heaven: no more pain, right?
00:36:35.25\00:36:38.31
How can you have a torture cham-
ber and there be no more pain?
00:36:38.61\00:36:41.17
"All things are made new. "
How can all things be made new
00:36:41.37\00:36:43.90
and sinners immortalized?
00:36:44.10\00:36:45.50
No more suffering,
right? No more death.
00:36:45.90\00:36:48.90
None of these
things exist anymore.
00:36:49.20\00:36:50.63
You've got all these verses
here, and if you've got a couple
00:36:50.73\00:36:53.08
of verses here that are
difficult, don't throw away
00:36:53.18\00:36:56.58
the weight of
evidence. Any court would say:
00:36:56.68\00:36:58.89
"Look at the
preponderance of evidence. "
00:36:59.09\00:37:01.40
The weight of evidence is very
clear that God is a just God.
00:37:01.71\00:37:04.42
Try and understand the
anomalies... and there are some
00:37:04.82\00:37:07.80
verses that good
Christians have misunderstood.
00:37:07.90\00:37:10.19
But I think the lion's
share of evidence is very clear
00:37:10.59\00:37:13.51
that the wicked do not
get everlasting life: in fire
00:37:13.71\00:37:16.68
or anywhere. You know, Doug,
one of the reasons I said I was
00:37:16.78\00:37:20.52
going to chime in on this
is because I love this topic.
00:37:20.63\00:37:22.76
Really quickly... we
have some more questions here.
00:37:22.96\00:37:25.17
One page has like seven
on, so we'll get to that.
00:37:25.38\00:37:27.48
But one of the biggest things
that people leave out is the
00:37:27.88\00:37:29.82
fact that... and this is where
the light came on for me...
00:37:29.92\00:37:32.80
I asked somebody when they said:
"Will the wicked burn forever? "
00:37:33.01\00:37:36.09
I asked them: "Will
Satan be destroyed? "
00:37:36.19\00:37:39.25
"Will Satan be around
forever? " What's the answer?
00:37:40.95\00:37:43.19
In his own testimony, he
knows that he has but a what?
00:37:43.59\00:37:47.29
short time. OK,
Exodus... I mean Ezekiel.
00:37:47.49\00:37:51.32
Speaking of Satan, the Lord
says: "Therefore I brought fire
00:37:51.72\00:37:55.90
from your midst and it devoured
you. It turned you to ashes. "
00:37:56.00\00:37:59.09
Speaking to Lucifer.
00:37:59.29\00:38:00.43
Speaking to Satan:
"It turned you to ashes
00:38:00.63\00:38:02.81
in the sight of all who saw you.
00:38:03.01\00:38:04.74
All who knew you
are astonished at you.
00:38:04.94\00:38:08.73
You have become a horror
and shall be no more forever. "
00:38:09.03\00:38:14.25
Now, if He's going
to destroy the root
00:38:14.65\00:38:18.19
how is there
going to be a branch?
00:38:18.40\00:38:20.26
"If the branch be
destroyed... " Good point.
00:38:20.66\00:38:22.66
If the root is
destroyed, you have no branch.
00:38:22.76\00:38:24.64
He's the root of evil.
00:38:24.74\00:38:26.32
Jesus is the vine;
we are the branches.
00:38:26.52\00:38:27.95
The reason why we
have eternal life:
00:38:28.06\00:38:29.43
we're connected to
the vine who is eternal.
00:38:29.54\00:38:31.32
They're connected to
Satan who is just temporary.
00:38:31.52\00:38:33.58
He said it himself. And finally,
and this is the biggest part,
00:38:33.78\00:38:38.07
"the wages of sin is...
00:38:38.37\00:38:40.69
the gift of God
is eternal life. "
00:38:40.72\00:38:42.77
Who receives eternal life?
The righteous or the wicked?
00:38:42.84\00:38:45.09
How can you burn forever
if you cannot live forever?
00:38:45.49\00:38:48.45
OK... good point.
00:38:48.85\00:38:50.68
Psalm 37:10: "You
will look for their place
00:38:51.09\00:38:53.16
and it shall be no more. "
00:38:53.26\00:38:55.39
By the way, if I can
throw in a commercial here...
00:38:55.69\00:38:57.86
Amazing Facts has a website
called Hell Truth. Very good.
00:38:59.00\00:39:02.15
I recommend anybody that wants
to know more about that subject
00:39:02.28\00:39:04.48
it's called helltruth. com
00:39:04.68\00:39:06.54
And I think it's probably
the most popular website
00:39:06.84\00:39:09.32
on this subject. It's
got videos, scriptures,
00:39:09.42\00:39:13.16
a galore of
evidence from the Bible.
00:39:13.26\00:39:15.31
Wow, this person got happy!
00:39:15.61\00:39:17.58
He put seven
questions on a page.
00:39:17.88\00:39:19.85
Well, didn't
give them a limit! OK.
00:39:20.05\00:39:22.07
Bless their hearts.
So far I have learned
00:39:22.27\00:39:25.68
everything that
Jesus did during His life
00:39:25.88\00:39:28.01
here on earth was with purpose
00:39:28.21\00:39:32.76
and He never left a
doubt for second guessing
00:39:33.06\00:39:37.01
except the story of the poor
man - Lazarus - going to heaven
00:39:37.21\00:39:42.21
and being consoled by Abraham
00:39:42.41\00:39:44.58
and the rich man being
burned in a flaming hell.
00:39:44.78\00:39:47.55
This fits perfect
after the last question.
00:39:47.85\00:39:49.49
Why would our Lord use
an example so prone to be
00:39:49.89\00:39:52.71
misunderstood? Why
use an illustration
00:39:52.81\00:39:55.54
that gives a picture of an
afterlife if it is not true?
00:39:55.64\00:40:00.10
OK... you go ahead and start.
00:40:00.33\00:40:02.21
Well, Jesus said: "Many
things I have to say to you
00:40:02.61\00:40:06.39
but you're not able to
bear them. " And there are some
00:40:06.59\00:40:09.22
things that it does take
study and it does take maturity.
00:40:09.32\00:40:11.84
And I'm glad God
challenges us to think.
00:40:11.94\00:40:14.13
Jesus didn't say everything
in the simplest of terms
00:40:14.53\00:40:17.76
because He wants
us to reason together.
00:40:17.96\00:40:19.88
And so, yeah, of course...
The Lord says some things
00:40:20.18\00:40:22.71
that require thinking.
Read things in their context.
00:40:22.81\00:40:25.07
When Jesus told the
parable - and this is Luke 16:19
00:40:25.37\00:40:29.19
of the rich man and Lazarus -
00:40:29.22\00:40:30.70
He was giving a parable.
00:40:30.91\00:40:33.01
And you have to know that it's
a parable because first of all
00:40:33.21\00:40:35.55
He's got the people in heaven
and hell talking to each other.
00:40:35.65\00:40:37.81
Who takes that literally?
00:40:38.11\00:40:39.36
He says that one drop of
water would cool the tongue
00:40:39.76\00:40:42.63
of a person in hell.
That can't be literal.
00:40:42.83\00:40:45.47
It says that everybody
that dies, all the saved, go to
00:40:45.77\00:40:48.93
Abraham's bosom. Well, he's
either got a really big bosom
00:40:49.03\00:40:52.36
or there aren't too many people
that are going to make it.
00:40:52.46\00:40:54.32
So, I mean, there's so
many figures of speech.
00:40:54.62\00:40:56.97
But the important thing is
this parable really had nothing
00:40:57.17\00:41:00.71
to do with the
state of man in death.
00:41:00.81\00:41:02.92
Jesus is talking to
the religious leaders.
00:41:03.42\00:41:05.82
He's talking to the Jewish
nation... to the church today
00:41:06.02\00:41:08.97
and He's saying: "Do not think
because you've got the truth
00:41:09.27\00:41:11.75
and that you're blessed
and you're clothed in purple
00:41:12.05\00:41:15.39
and you're feasting that you're
going to be favored by God
00:41:15.60\00:41:19.21
in the next life
because you might find
00:41:19.41\00:41:22.31
that the Gentiles who are at
your gate that are hungry for
00:41:22.51\00:41:25.15
the crumbs of truth
that fall from your table
00:41:25.25\00:41:27.29
they are going to be
in Abraham's bosom and
00:41:27.59\00:41:29.71
the children of the kingdom
will be in outer darkness
00:41:29.91\00:41:32.00
where there's weeping
and gnashing of teeth. "
00:41:32.21\00:41:33.80
I'm mixing parables
here, but many times Jesus said
00:41:34.10\00:41:36.60
"Many will come from the
east and the west and sit down
00:41:36.90\00:41:39.36
in the kingdom with
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob... "
00:41:39.56\00:41:41.97
meaning the Gentiles... "and
the children of the kingdom... "
00:41:42.17\00:41:44.74
people that might be genetically
or have the DNA of Israel...
00:41:45.04\00:41:48.42
they could be in outer darkness.
00:41:48.62\00:41:50.67
It had nothing to do
with the state of man.
00:41:50.97\00:41:52.78
Christ then draws on a Greek
parable that everybody knew.
00:41:53.18\00:41:57.77
They all had a god named Pluto
in charge of place called Hades
00:41:59.04\00:42:02.05
which was a place of punishment.
00:42:02.25\00:42:03.78
They all spoke Greek.
They all knew Greek mythology.
00:42:04.28\00:42:07.52
If I were to tell you today
00:42:08.45\00:42:10.33
I want to tell you a story,
00:42:10.53\00:42:11.79
OK... you with me?
00:42:11.99\00:42:13.02
one day Alice was in Wonderland.
00:42:13.27\00:42:15.24
Stop. That's
all I've got to say.
00:42:15.55\00:42:17.82
You know right away
that I'm using a very popular
00:42:18.32\00:42:22.46
fairy tale to
illustrate a point.
00:42:22.49\00:42:24.67
You would not take the talking
rabbits or the cats literally,
00:42:25.07\00:42:28.70
would you? Jesus is doing
something very creative here.
00:42:29.01\00:42:32.56
He's putting the Jew
- who is the rich man -
00:42:33.06\00:42:36.80
in the Greek place of torment
00:42:37.01\00:42:39.26
and He's putting the
Greek - the Gentile -
00:42:39.46\00:42:41.71
in the Jewish
place of salvation.
00:42:42.11\00:42:43.81
Abraham's bosom: what
could be more Jewish than that?
00:42:43.84\00:42:46.12
The only place you find
Abraham's bosom is in the Bible.
00:42:46.42\00:42:49.07
I guess some people have
made a new kind of Protestant
00:42:49.48\00:42:51.84
purgatory out of this. It's some
new waiting area or something.
00:42:51.94\00:42:54.91
And so it's just a parable.
00:42:55.31\00:42:57.18
The punch line
is why He told it.
00:42:57.38\00:42:59.74
He said: "If they do not
believe Moses and the prophets,
00:43:00.14\00:43:03.38
neither will they be persuaded
though one rise from the dead. "
00:43:03.58\00:43:06.52
The rich man who's in torment
says: "Oh but if you send
00:43:06.92\00:43:10.13
Lazarus to my father's house
I've got five brothers... "
00:43:10.23\00:43:13.00
the Jews had all agreed
on the five books of Moses...
00:43:13.20\00:43:15.48
the Pentateuch. "I've got five
brothers in my father's house.
00:43:15.78\00:43:19.58
If he testifies to
them, then they'll repent. "
00:43:19.78\00:43:22.46
And He says: "If they believed
not Moses and the prophets,
00:43:22.77\00:43:25.45
neither will they be
persuaded though one should rise
00:43:25.65\00:43:27.84
from the dead. " Did Jesus
raise someone from the dead
00:43:27.95\00:43:30.38
by the name of Lazarus?
00:43:30.48\00:43:31.75
Did they believe or did they
still try to crucify Christ?
00:43:32.25\00:43:34.81
They even tried to kill Lazarus.
00:43:35.21\00:43:37.25
So this is a very telling
parable. No one back then
00:43:37.55\00:43:41.17
tried to apply it to
the state of death...
00:43:41.37\00:43:43.22
state of man in death...
00:43:43.42\00:43:44.51
and I think it's kind of
reckless to use it that way.
00:43:44.81\00:43:47.00
I'm not going to chime in on
that; that was complete. Amen?
00:43:47.41\00:43:50.00
Amen! Very well said.
00:43:50.30\00:43:51.60
I Peter 3:19. Boy,
this is really good.
00:43:52.10\00:43:55.75
I like... A lot of these
questions are really trying to
00:43:55.85\00:43:57.93
hit the idea that
people do exist after death.
00:43:58.33\00:44:01.96
But I Peter 3:19. Read
that... 19 and 20... and
00:44:02.36\00:44:05.82
to what spirits is he referring?
00:44:06.12\00:44:08.68
Have to start with verse 18.
00:44:08.88\00:44:10.48
"For Christ also
suffered once for sin -
00:44:10.78\00:44:13.15
the just for the unjust -
that He might bring us to God
00:44:13.35\00:44:16.07
being put to death in the flesh
00:44:16.17\00:44:17.58
but made alive in
the Spirit. " Capital S.
00:44:17.68\00:44:20.02
Spirit is the subject here.
00:44:20.12\00:44:22.64
"By whom... " This is a
continuation of the sentence
00:44:22.84\00:44:25.30
That's why I had
to read verse 18...
00:44:25.40\00:44:26.66
"By whom he went and preached
to the spirits in prison. "
00:44:26.96\00:44:29.39
Through this Spirit
God preached to the spirits
00:44:29.49\00:44:32.73
in prison "who formerly
were disobedient when once the
00:44:32.84\00:44:36.08
longsuffering of God
waited in the days of Noah. "
00:44:36.18\00:44:38.32
Remember God said: "My Spirit
will not always strive with
00:44:38.62\00:44:41.08
man? " Genesis chapter 6.
00:44:41.18\00:44:42.86
"His days will be 120 years.
" The same Spirit that spoke
00:44:43.16\00:44:47.12
through Christ spoke in
the days of Noah to the spirits
00:44:47.33\00:44:50.35
in prison... meaning
those imprisoned by sin.
00:44:50.45\00:44:53.23
It's not saying that God's
got some kind of torture chamber
00:44:53.63\00:44:56.17
down there in the darkness,
and Jesus - when He died on the
00:44:56.27\00:44:58.20
cross - went down to preach
to the people that lived before
00:44:58.30\00:45:00.72
the flood and give
them a second chance...
00:45:00.82\00:45:02.64
which is what
some churches believe.
00:45:03.04\00:45:04.66
The whole idea
that after you die
00:45:05.06\00:45:07.50
Christ is going to
come preach to you again
00:45:07.70\00:45:09.53
in some prison and
give you a second chance
00:45:09.73\00:45:11.30
goes against
everything else in the Bible.
00:45:11.50\00:45:13.58
"It's appointed
unto man once to die;
00:45:13.88\00:45:15.69
after that the judgment. "
00:45:15.79\00:45:16.84
This life is our only time.
00:45:17.04\00:45:18.54
There's no prayers
or preaching after death
00:45:18.84\00:45:20.69
that are going to
make a difference.
00:45:20.79\00:45:21.92
So... that's what it's saying.
00:45:22.42\00:45:24.30
Amen. OK, I think we answered
this but I think... Let me just
00:45:24.60\00:45:27.67
read it here. Where
did Cain's wife come from?
00:45:27.77\00:45:30.31
We answered that.
And why was he marked?
00:45:30.51\00:45:32.70
That part was
before... Why was he marked
00:45:32.90\00:45:34.80
if there were no more people
on the earth besides his parents
00:45:35.00\00:45:38.17
and brothers. Well, everybody
was very intelligent then
00:45:38.27\00:45:41.83
and they all knew that God had
commanded them to be fruitful,
00:45:42.03\00:45:44.56
multiply, and to fill the earth.
00:45:44.66\00:45:46.44
They were still
living centuries back then.
00:45:46.74\00:45:49.01
Cain realized... it didn't
take a lot of proactive thinking
00:45:49.21\00:45:51.80
that as people began to
multiply and fill the earth...
00:45:52.10\00:45:55.05
if you just do the simple
math and extrapolate... he knew
00:45:55.36\00:45:57.97
there'd be hundreds of
thousands of people. He would be
00:45:58.08\00:46:01.42
singled out as
the first murderer
00:46:01.82\00:46:05.19
and would have that...
his life would be threatened.
00:46:05.49\00:46:09.45
He said: "What's
going to happen to me... "
00:46:09.65\00:46:11.08
he says, "for all the
generations to come? "
00:46:11.28\00:46:13.27
Therefore, God
put a mark upon Cain
00:46:13.57\00:46:15.27
saying that if Cain is cursed
for what he did, anyone that
00:46:15.47\00:46:17.76
hurts Cain is
going to be cursed more.
00:46:17.86\00:46:19.53
Wow! In the Lord's
Prayer what does it mean
00:46:20.99\00:46:24.90
"Lead us not into temptation? "
00:46:25.10\00:46:26.84
Does God lead us
into temptation sometimes?
00:46:26.94\00:46:30.53
You know, it's interesting as
I travel to all these different
00:46:30.86\00:46:33.70
countries and I hear the
different languages... I'm very
00:46:33.80\00:46:35.84
interested in language... how
funny things sometimes come out
00:46:35.95\00:46:39.66
when they're translated. Because
not only are words different;
00:46:39.76\00:46:43.19
the way we structure
our sentences is different.
00:46:43.39\00:46:46.19
Like in English
here in southern Illinois
00:46:46.59\00:46:49.71
you'd say: "Can you go
throw some hay over the fence
00:46:49.81\00:46:51.80
to the cow. " In German
they'd say: "Go throw the cow
00:46:51.91\00:46:55.78
over the fence some hay. "
00:46:55.88\00:46:57.43
Well it sounds strange.
You know, in English I'd say
00:46:57.73\00:46:59.95
white house. Spanish say
casa blanca... house white.
00:47:00.15\00:47:03.78
And the way this really
translates more accurately
00:47:04.60\00:47:07.49
in the Lord's Prayer
is: "Lead us not... "
00:47:07.69\00:47:10.59
In other words, lead us
away. The word not there means
00:47:10.79\00:47:12.99
do not lead us or lead us
away from our natural tendency
00:47:13.19\00:47:18.57
for temptation. We're not
begging God not to tempt us
00:47:18.77\00:47:21.81
because God tempts no
man, neither can He be tempted
00:47:22.01\00:47:24.73
with evil. It's simply
saying: "Lead us away from
00:47:24.93\00:47:28.77
our natural propensity to sin. "
00:47:28.97\00:47:31.65
Amen. In Psalm 35
David asks our Lord
00:47:32.05\00:47:37.76
to do a lot of bad
things to his enemies.
00:47:37.96\00:47:40.60
Sounds like some of us
today, don't you think?
00:47:41.00\00:47:43.21
I understand that
that is not what God wants
00:47:44.11\00:47:47.50
us to request for our enemies.
00:47:47.60\00:47:50.07
Please explain.
00:47:50.37\00:47:51.88
In other words, what should
we request for our enemies?
00:47:52.18\00:47:55.35
Well, I think
there's a time to pray
00:47:55.75\00:48:00.53
that your enemy will fail.
00:48:00.74\00:48:02.37
I think there's a time to
pray that the Lord will confound
00:48:03.59\00:48:07.42
the plans of the enemy.
00:48:07.52\00:48:08.89
And David was fighting
for... he was fighting for God.
00:48:09.88\00:48:13.60
So you notice when
David goes against Goliath
00:48:13.80\00:48:15.47
did David say: "Our nation's
better than your nation? "
00:48:16.79\00:48:18.97
Or did he say: "You
have blasphemed God? "
00:48:19.07\00:48:21.28
And David was
very jealous for God.
00:48:22.04\00:48:23.98
So whenever David is praying
for the destruction or bad
00:48:24.28\00:48:27.06
things to happen to the enemies
he's really thinking about
00:48:27.16\00:48:29.45
those who are
fighting against the truth.
00:48:29.55\00:48:31.28
And so I always think
that David... and the reason
00:48:31.68\00:48:34.57
that's inspired
and it's in the Psalms
00:48:34.67\00:48:36.29
it's looking at the bigger
picture of the battle between
00:48:36.60\00:48:39.15
good and evil. And I think...
I think there's a time to
00:48:39.25\00:48:42.71
pray that the plans
of the enemy will fail.
00:48:42.82\00:48:45.64
If you've got an enemy,
don't take David's Psalms
00:48:46.04\00:48:49.09
and say: "David says I'm
praying that fire and brimstone
00:48:49.29\00:48:51.22
falls on their head"
because you read where Paul says
00:48:51.32\00:48:53.99
"If you've got
an enemy, feed him.
00:48:54.02\00:48:55.94
If he's thirsty, give
him something to drink. "
00:48:56.14\00:48:57.88
We're supposed to
overcome evil with good.
00:48:58.28\00:49:00.24
The Bible is
very clear about that.
00:49:00.44\00:49:01.67
And even in the Old Testament
when Elisha captured the whole
00:49:01.97\00:49:04.97
Syrian army the king
said: "Shall I kill them now?
00:49:05.07\00:49:07.38
Shall I kill them?
" And he said: "No. "
00:49:07.58\00:49:09.38
Give them something to
eat and send them home. "
00:49:09.68\00:49:11.82
God's always been the same.
You overcome evil with good.
00:49:12.32\00:49:14.98
But when you're engaged in
battle, and other people's lives
00:49:15.38\00:49:18.44
are threatened, there might
be a time to pray for bad things
00:49:18.54\00:49:21.96
to happen to the enemy.
00:49:22.06\00:49:23.09
But always remember that
vengeance belongs to the Lord.
00:49:23.18\00:49:25.44
Right. Number six...
oh... six of seven on this page.
00:49:25.54\00:49:29.32
Please explain John
10:34. Jesus answered...
00:49:29.62\00:49:32.20
Go there because they kind
of left some of the verse out.
00:49:32.60\00:49:34.82
I want you to
see the whole thing.
00:49:34.92\00:49:36.16
"Jesus answered them: 'Is
it not written in your law
00:49:36.46\00:49:41.71
I said you are gods. ' "
00:49:41.91\00:49:44.86
Let's see if that's
what it says. John 10:34.
00:49:45.16\00:49:47.00
He's quoting
from Psalm 82 verse 6
00:49:47.30\00:49:50.66
where God is saying:
"Did I not say ye are gods? "
00:49:51.06\00:49:53.46
Now the word god does not mean
THE God of heaven necessarily
00:49:53.96\00:49:58.58
all the time. It's talking about
we're made in the image of God.
00:49:58.68\00:50:02.61
God wanted man to be able to
have dominion over the planet.
00:50:03.11\00:50:08.21
Compared to the other creatures
00:50:09.13\00:50:11.48
we're divine to them. I
mean just look at the way that
00:50:11.78\00:50:14.02
your dogs and your
pets will sometimes worship.
00:50:14.33\00:50:18.81
They just wait at the door
all day for you to go home.
00:50:19.01\00:50:21.25
And so, man was
made in the image of God.
00:50:21.68\00:50:23.86
We're not divine;
we're not to be worshiped.
00:50:24.06\00:50:25.61
But man was made to be the
ruler of this world so to speak.
00:50:26.11\00:50:29.35
And so in that lesser sense
is what David is talking about.
00:50:29.65\00:50:33.02
It's not saying
that we're divine.
00:50:34.25\00:50:36.23
That make sense?
00:50:37.66\00:50:38.97
Number seven on this page:
00:50:40.84\00:50:43.24
Did Jesus give His disciples
the authority to forgive sin?
00:50:43.34\00:50:48.52
John 20 verses 22-23
00:50:48.82\00:50:51.69
says that He breathed on
them and said: "Receive the Holy
00:50:51.79\00:50:55.08
Spirit. If you
forgive their sins,
00:50:55.18\00:50:57.46
they are forgiven them.
If you retain their sins,
00:50:57.77\00:51:00.25
the sins of any
they are retained. "
00:51:00.45\00:51:01.99
How can this be if
only God can forgive sins?
00:51:02.39\00:51:05.89
That's a good
question. It's also...
00:51:06.19\00:51:08.62
It's a difficult question
because can you pray that
00:51:08.92\00:51:12.16
God will forgive another person?
00:51:12.26\00:51:13.72
Does God hear those prayers?
00:51:14.22\00:51:16.29
When Stephen was being stoned
did he say: "Father, lay not
00:51:16.59\00:51:19.49
this sin to their charge? "
00:51:19.59\00:51:21.06
When Jesus died on the
cross did He say: "Father,
00:51:21.87\00:51:23.93
forgive them? " Do
the prayers of people
00:51:24.03\00:51:26.62
make a
difference in what God does?
00:51:26.82\00:51:28.61
It's not that
we're forgiving anybody.
00:51:29.01\00:51:31.54
But we can pray for God to
intervene in people's lives
00:51:31.94\00:51:35.97
and work for their forgiveness.
00:51:36.07\00:51:37.50
The most obvious way we do this
is in spreading that forgiveness
00:51:37.71\00:51:41.63
through their knowing Christ.
00:51:41.83\00:51:43.58
Inasmuch as we do or
do not share the gospel
00:51:43.99\00:51:47.29
we are sharing and
disseminating God's forgiveness.
00:51:47.42\00:51:50.93
You know, this is again
dealing with that whole thing
00:51:54.67\00:51:56.56
about the enemy like
David's prayer before.
00:51:56.66\00:51:59.56
There are times where they...
Paul, I've got to give you
00:52:00.76\00:52:05.15
a Bible example or
you won't believe me,
00:52:05.25\00:52:06.77
Paul was preaching... Paul
and Barnabas were preaching
00:52:07.97\00:52:10.94
and they were
preaching to Sergius Paulus,
00:52:11.24\00:52:13.92
the leader of this area.
00:52:14.12\00:52:15.94
And there was a sorcerer
that was trying to overthrow
00:52:16.24\00:52:19.20
and turn away everything
that they were saying.
00:52:19.30\00:52:21.14
And you know what Paul did?
Paul said: "Oh you child of the
00:52:21.44\00:52:23.71
devil, son of perdition. "
He said: "How long will you seek
00:52:23.81\00:52:26.77
to pervert the truth and turn
people away? May you be blind. "
00:52:26.87\00:52:29.96
And he was
struck with blindness.
00:52:30.16\00:52:32.01
Do we have classes on
how to do that in church?
00:52:34.06\00:52:36.49
But when a person is working
proactively as an obstacle
00:52:40.97\00:52:45.12
you can pray for
their conversion.
00:52:45.22\00:52:46.33
You can pray that God will
confound what they're doing
00:52:46.53\00:52:48.46
if it's preventing
others from coming to Jesus.
00:52:48.76\00:52:50.96
Paul did that under the
inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
00:52:51.26\00:52:53.60
And so if a person
has sold out to the devil
00:52:54.29\00:52:56.45
and they're working to obstruct,
you might pray that God will
00:52:56.66\00:52:58.84
do something to block them.
00:52:59.04\00:53:00.28
Does that make
sense what I'm saying?
00:53:01.45\00:53:03.23
Also to add to that
the Lord was establishing
00:53:03.53\00:53:06.29
the authority of the church.
00:53:06.39\00:53:07.91
If you read that the church is
being established in the book of
00:53:08.21\00:53:10.05
Acts, the church
actually came into fruition
00:53:10.15\00:53:12.09
being built up as the physical
body in different locations
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God was saying - and as
we have in our church now,
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I'll use the church
board as an example -
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if there is a transgression,
if there is an issue among
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members, to whom
should we bring that matter?
00:53:21.85\00:53:24.37
If we go to Matthew 18,
first to the individual.
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Then we take a
witness if they don't hear.
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Then we take a third,
and then we bring them
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to a larger... the church body.
00:53:31.39\00:53:33.26
If they choose not to repent,
00:53:33.36\00:53:35.58
then we deal with
them as a heathen.
00:53:35.78\00:53:37.30
God was establishing the
authority that He has given
00:53:37.50\00:53:39.73
to the church. So if somebody
sinned and they brought their
00:53:39.83\00:53:42.32
case to us and we
said "That's equitable...
00:53:42.42\00:53:45.05
forgive that person. "
00:53:45.26\00:53:46.29
"But that's not
so. " Retain him.
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That's the authority
that was being established
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with the church... not
taking the place of God.
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And I think that's what
they were inferring there.
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We can't do
what only God can do.
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When it comes to
worship in these last days
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which is more
important: the day you worship
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or whom you worship?
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Wow! Can you separate that?
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Sure you can. I
think one of the highest
00:54:08.74\00:54:11.49
forms of worship... The
Bible says: "To obey is better
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than sacrifice. " Amen! And
so one of the ways that we show
00:54:14.71\00:54:18.12
we worship is by
obeying God the way He said.
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You know, sometimes we say:
"Oh, well I know this is what
00:54:21.13\00:54:24.10
You asked for but...
You know, Lord, because I
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love You I kept the Amalekite
sheep to offer to You. "
00:54:26.48\00:54:30.28
God says: "Look, if I
told you to do something
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the best way to
obey if you love Me... "
00:54:33.15\00:54:35.75
The highest form of
worship is love, right?
00:54:36.05\00:54:38.10
"If you love Me,
keep My commandments. "
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So it's a trick to
try and separate the two.
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And we should worship
God seven days a week.
00:54:44.65\00:54:47.35
But Sabbath isn't
just about worship.
00:54:47.86\00:54:50.46
The Sabbath is about
obeying God. The Bible says
00:54:50.66\00:54:53.60
it's a holy
convocation. We come together.
00:54:53.70\00:54:55.49
We not only worship
Him, we study the Word.
00:54:55.79\00:54:57.71
We fellowship; we glorify Him.
00:54:57.91\00:55:00.10
There's a lot more
to it than people say.
00:55:00.20\00:55:02.92
A lot of folks say: "Well,
you worship God one day a week.
00:55:03.13\00:55:05.04
I worship God
seven days a week. "
00:55:05.15\00:55:06.58
We all believe we should
worship God with our lives.
00:55:06.98\00:55:09.28
But He set aside
one day as the Sabbath.
00:55:09.68\00:55:11.48
And if someone says:
"Well I keep the Sabbath
00:55:11.98\00:55:14.47
seven days a week, "
they're not holy, they're lazy.
00:55:14.57\00:55:16.61
Right? 'Cause that
day you don't do any work.
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Wow!
00:55:19.96\00:55:21.43
How do I know
God's plan for my life?
00:55:24.21\00:55:29.08
First and foremost, His
plan is that you live forever
00:55:30.78\00:55:33.13
by surrendering
that life to Him.
00:55:33.24\00:55:35.18
And when you commit
your way unto the Lord
00:55:35.68\00:55:38.02
God will then shine light
on what your path might be.
00:55:38.32\00:55:41.16
Of course, you...
knowing the will of God
00:55:41.46\00:55:45.51
there's a number of criteria.
00:55:45.71\00:55:47.03
You know, if you have
several good options...
00:55:47.14\00:55:48.60
Again, it's shameless promotion
00:55:49.10\00:55:50.98
but I wrote a little
book you can read for free
00:55:51.18\00:55:52.85
called
Determining The Will of God.
00:55:53.05\00:55:54.81
It's got twelve steps on
what are the Biblical principles
00:55:54.91\00:55:57.65
for knowing what
God's will is for my life.
00:55:57.85\00:55:59.54
We all know God
wants us to serve Him
00:55:59.84\00:56:01.64
and to surrender
our lives to Him.
00:56:01.94\00:56:03.36
But we often have to make
decisions, and we sometimes
00:56:03.66\00:56:06.11
want to know: "How do I
know what God's will is? "
00:56:06.21\00:56:08.69
Scripture, Christian counsel,
00:56:09.19\00:56:11.82
look for providential opening,
00:56:12.02\00:56:13.83
the impressions of the Spirit.
00:56:14.03\00:56:15.36
So there's a number of
tips there that you can look at.
00:56:15.56\00:56:18.03
You know it's amazing. We
got through all of our questions
00:56:18.53\00:56:20.22
with a minute left. Give
them some closing thoughts
00:56:20.42\00:56:22.30
before we take the program out.
00:56:22.50\00:56:24.68
Oh, that's a tough one.
00:56:24.98\00:56:27.27
Well, let me just reiterate
00:56:27.87\00:56:31.77
the longer I live the
more I know I don't know.
00:56:31.97\00:56:34.11
And so even when you stand
up here and you share Bible
00:56:34.41\00:56:37.33
answers with people, you
know you're doing some of it by
00:56:37.43\00:56:40.56
permission and not by command.
00:56:40.66\00:56:42.28
You're just doing the best you
can to share what you understand
00:56:42.58\00:56:45.57
the truth to be.
But I tell everybody:
00:56:45.78\00:56:47.61
"You need to read
your Bibles for yourself
00:56:47.71\00:56:49.74
and don't be trusting any pastor
00:56:49.94\00:56:52.05
that like they have all
the answers. It's ultimately
00:56:52.26\00:56:54.97
we've got to know by comparing
scripture with scripture
00:56:55.27\00:56:57.92
and having a personal
relationship with Jesus.
00:56:58.22\00:57:00.78
Our theology and our
faith is going to be tested
00:57:01.18\00:57:03.57
in the near
future like never before.
00:57:03.68\00:57:05.64
And as individuals, as churches,
00:57:06.14\00:57:08.85
as a people, we're going to be
challenged about what we believe
00:57:08.95\00:57:12.32
and why we believe it.
And we need to be able to say
00:57:12.52\00:57:14.82
"Thus saith the
Lord" and stand upon
00:57:15.02\00:57:17.16
the promises in God's Word.
00:57:17.36\00:57:19.10
Well thank you, Doug.
Can we say amen church?
00:57:19.30\00:57:20.87
Amen! Don't forget
tomorrow morning we continue our
00:57:21.17\00:57:23.47
Camp Meeting beginning at
9 o'clock tomorrow morning.
00:57:23.57\00:57:25.93
So God bless you and
we will see you then.
00:57:26.13\00:57:28.64