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Series Code: 14GYC
Program Code: 14GYC000010A
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00:09 My wife and I work with children
00:12 all over the world, 00:14 but, you know, we have four of our children, 00:17 all grown up. 00:18 And we're kind of out of that emptiness stage, 00:20 it's very nice. 00:21 And not only emptiness, but emptiness financially, 00:25 they don't come tapping us 00:26 for a loan every week, it's lovely. 00:28 But we work with some of the poorest children 00:31 in the South East Asia region, 00:34 countries like Philippines and Sri Lanka, 00:36 Cambodia, Burma, and Thailand, some beautiful kids. 00:40 And I just put a few of them up on the screen, 00:42 'cause they wanted to say hello at GYC 00:44 'cause they couldn't make it themselves. 00:45 You can wave back if you like, 00:47 but it's okay if you're embarrassed. 00:51 I want to tell you a story because, you see, 00:54 you have to forgive my lack of eloquence. 00:56 I am not a pastor. 00:59 I didn't go to theology school. 01:01 In fact, I failed school at year nine. 01:04 So I'll do the best that I can today. 01:06 But I'll tell you some stories at least. 01:08 And I'd like to take you on a little journey. 01:12 Some time ago, I was on a river in India, 01:18 The Ganges River, and I was taking a trip 01:21 to have a look at a place called The House of Death. 01:25 And as I was rowing down with my boat down this river, 01:30 I was able to see just this incredible sight 01:37 of people washing, bathing, rinsing, 01:41 drinking the water of the Ganges. 01:44 Now it's pretty dirty. 01:45 It's got floaties on the top of it 01:47 and it's brown. 01:48 You know, it look like a chocolate milkshake 01:50 or a caramel milkshake from McDonalds, 01:52 and it's thick. 01:55 But I came to the House of Death, 01:59 a quite interesting place. 02:01 And you can see there on the screen, 02:03 this building is to your left. 02:05 It looks a bit skewed because, you know, 02:07 I'm not very good with the camera. 02:10 This is a place where devout Hindus come to die. 02:16 And they believe that there is meritorious favor 02:20 in dying by the Ganges river, at the House of Death, 02:23 where they believe that they will receive 02:26 a special dispensation to eternity. 02:31 If they can die in this disgraceful looking building 02:36 and their bodies burnt by the Ganges 02:39 and the ash thrown out into the river, 02:41 they believe that there is merit. 02:44 But there is a downside to this, 02:46 rather naive and twisted theology. 02:49 And that is that some these people unfortunately 02:52 don't die quick enough 02:54 and they're taken out of the House of Death 02:56 and left in the street to die because someone else 03:00 is more open to dying quicker. 03:03 And so they are abandoned. 03:04 And this day that I was in Varanasi, 03:06 I was with some friends 03:07 and we went to the Sisters of Charity hospice 03:12 that takes care of these poor people, 03:14 these aged cripples mostly that have had strokes 03:17 and suffering and terrible pain, 03:19 and they're left to die. 03:21 There was one lady who had been gnawing at her head 03:24 because she had been left in the gutter, 03:26 was unable to move. 03:28 And I spoke with this lady from the Sisters of Charity, 03:32 a nun, spoke perfect English. 03:35 And I asked her, I said, "Why did you do this job?" 03:42 With absolute profound theological eloquence, 03:48 She said I... 03:51 Now I must preface this by saying, 03:53 the Sisters of Charity hospice is a building almost as grotty 03:58 at the House of Death. 03:59 It doesn't have electricity 04:01 and it has this old iron door that creeks 04:04 as you walk inside into the darkened room, 04:06 where these old people lay on pallets 04:09 and stretches on the floor. 04:11 And she said, with such eloquence, 04:16 "Where else would I want to be? 04:18 I get to hold these people in my arms. 04:22 And in their last dying moments, 04:24 I get to share with them 04:25 the love of our Savior Jesus Christ." 04:30 You know, this reminded me of experiences, 04:37 but it reminded me of my own. 04:42 I haven't been to the House of Death on the inside. 04:45 But you come to a time, you come to a place, 04:48 sometimes in your own life where you feel you may be 04:50 at the House of the Death. 04:52 You wonder where to from here. 04:53 And the same day, 04:55 I had looked into the eyes of these children, 04:59 desperate kids needing something, 05:01 needing food, needing shelter. 05:02 They were living in little huts with made of sticks with clough 05:07 and tarpaulin across the top of them. 05:10 And it took me back to a time in my life 05:14 where, I didn't live like that, 05:17 but where I made a choice 05:19 that I would do all that I could 05:21 to help children like this. 05:23 Let me share with you some testimonial time. 05:27 That was the last truck I drove. 05:28 I drove five million kilometers in that 05:31 and another truck from one side of Australia 05:33 to the other for 17 years. 05:35 That would be like driving from Phoenix to Maine 05:38 every week there and back, 9,600 kilometers every week. 05:43 I don't know how many miles, that is about five and a half 05:46 or six thousand miles, I think. 05:48 And it was during that time that I met this gentleman, 05:52 he was a very nice man. 05:54 And he said to me, David, he said, 05:58 let me tell you about Jesus Christ. 06:00 Then I thought, Oh, no! One of this religious nuts. 06:03 I wasn't religious at all. 06:05 And I was in this little tiny town, 06:09 we call it a one horse town. 06:11 You know, and even the horse had run away. 06:13 It was so small. 06:15 And there was my friend, he was the local 06:20 everything fix it man and I was there. 06:22 We were chatting over a cup of tea about 06:24 whatever it was. 06:25 And he was telling me about 06:27 an article he had read in a magazine 06:29 called "Lock Stock & Barrel" 06:31 some, shoot 'em up cowboy magazine. 06:33 And the article was about the new world order 06:35 that I knew nothing about. 06:37 And he was telling me about, oh, in the future, 06:39 you might have to chain down your fridge 06:41 because all the Froot Loops 06:42 are gonna come and steal your food. 06:44 You know, this is the time of the new well order, 06:46 it's all going to be weird and dangerous. 06:48 And anyway, I'm just smirking away 06:50 to myself thinking the man is crazy. 06:52 And then this guy said to me 06:54 "You will not get through the future 06:56 unless you have Jesus Christ in your life" 07:00 Well, I was very patient 07:02 and I showed the respect that this man 07:04 who is at least 20 years older than me should deserve. 07:07 And I listened how does he talked. 07:10 And he talked, believe me, he talked, 07:11 he talked for three hours. 07:13 You know, he laid out all he had to say. 07:16 I learnt so much in that three hours 07:17 that I had forgot all in that next 15 minutes. 07:20 But anyway, he was a very interesting chap too. 07:24 And he had been to all sorts of interesting places. 07:26 So it wasn't so bad. 07:28 But anyway, at lunch time, I was getting a bit hungry, 07:31 so I walked across to the takeaway food place 07:33 to get some food and he followed me. 07:36 He wouldn't give me peace. So we're walking across. 07:38 And I got my normal lunch, which was probably, 07:41 I can't remember, but it would have been 07:42 at least one hamburger or a sausage roll 07:44 or something like that and some coke and an ice-cream, 07:47 and a chocolate bar. 07:48 And then he said, "You don't need to worry about 07:51 all that stuff in the future in the new world order 07:53 because you're not going to live long enough." 07:55 and he starts pointing at what's on my plate. 07:57 And then he gives me this health message. 07:59 You know, I was very thankful for that man 08:03 because, you know, about 15 minutes 08:06 after I left that little one horse town, 08:10 I was driving in my truck 08:12 and I felt this incredible conviction. 08:15 I felt what he had in his life, I need it in my own. 08:19 You know, it was really... 08:22 It was so simple. 08:24 This man, you know, he had a lot to say, 08:26 but he had a lot of interesting things 08:27 and he talked about Jesus and it all sort of made sense. 08:31 So I drove into Perth, 08:35 a remaining six or eight hour journey. 08:38 And anyway, I got to the office 08:43 at the freight dispatch yard. 08:46 And I said there to the secretary, 08:48 I said, he is my manifest with all my paperwork 08:52 and by the way... 08:54 I actually had known him for a couple of years. 08:55 So I said by the way, I've just become a Christian. 08:58 I said, I am going to be one of the Seventh-day Adventists. 09:01 And she said, "Ah! 09:03 I'm one too" You know what, 09:07 the first thing that I thought of was, 09:10 "Hey, cool, we're both Seventh-day Adventist." 09:15 what he told me yesterday? 09:18 You know, let me just... 09:21 Don't worry, this is an appeal. 09:24 It's a challenge. 09:25 You go out of here and tell the first three people 09:27 that you know that you are friends with, 09:28 who you are and what you believe, 09:29 and why you believe it, and why you thing 09:31 Jesus is coming soon, because she didn't. 09:34 And I've thought about that many times 09:35 when the opportunity comes for you to share Jesus Christ 09:39 and you zip and sit in silence, don't hold back. 09:42 There's crazy truck drivers like me out there 09:44 that need to hear. 09:47 And so she said to me, 09:49 "Would you like to go to a youth rally tomorrow?" 09:54 Well, I said, "Yeah. Sure." 09:55 I guess it's Saturday, I won't be working. 09:58 So she said "I'll meet you at the truck stop, 10:02 I'll pick you up, we'll go together." 10:03 And in the morning, I put on my best clothes, 10:08 which was a pair of old blue shorts and a blue singlet. 10:12 You know, not this $30 suit 10:16 I picked up in a cheap market in Cambodia. 10:19 And I hate these things, I'll tell you what. 10:23 Anyway, and she comes 10:27 in this old clapped-out rusty Mazda 626, 10:31 and she's got her two sons in the back covered in pimples 10:34 and spots from too much pizza, and I think to myself, 10:39 because look at the car. 10:40 It's not gonna win anything. 10:42 And look at the youth I've got to hang around with. 10:43 I didn't know what a youth rally was, you see. 10:45 And so we... 10:47 Then I think, no, well, I did promise, so I'm going. 10:51 And so off we go. 10:52 And we arrive at this park in the middle of the mountains. 10:56 And I discovered that the youth rally 10:59 is a religious congregation and there's a preacher. 11:02 And I had asked her 11:04 when we pulled up in the car park, 11:05 where's all the fancy cars and all the hot rods, you know. 11:09 Anyway, I was learning, but it was okay. 11:11 Now there's another thing that happened as well. 11:13 I had a problem and that was because 11:17 I had just become a Seventh-day Adventist 11:19 and I just told you earlier, you know, 11:22 I used to drive a lot of miles every week. 11:24 You've just taken one-seventh of my working week away, God. 11:27 You need to provide a way out for me 11:29 because I can't physically do that 11:31 many miles in that short time. 11:34 And I needed to be able to work on the Sabbath. 11:36 I had a lot of financial commitments, 11:38 these trucks don't come cheap. 11:41 And I was up to here in debt. I needed this work. 11:48 So I prayed for two days as I drove along. 11:50 I did other things as well. Let me show you. 11:55 I learned to read while I was driving. 11:57 I used to read comics. 11:59 Anyway, it's about straight roads in Australia. 12:01 It's all right. 12:02 And honestly, I only ever ran two people off the road 12:08 and it wasn't my fault. 12:10 And so I started reading a Bible 12:13 instead of reading comics. 12:16 And I was reading 12:18 and I got to this place about Joseph 12:21 and he meets his brothers. 12:23 I'm crying, I'm reaching for a tissue in my... 12:27 You know, as I'm driving along. This is an amazing story. 12:30 And I'm reading. 12:31 I didn't know where you had to start, 12:32 so I started at Genesis. 12:35 When I got to the dispatch office 12:37 on the other side of the country, 12:39 a day and a half later, and I went into the office, 12:42 I had been worrying about this, 12:44 I had been praying about this for two weeks. 12:45 I was wondering what this man was gonna... 12:47 He was like the owner, bus person that makes sure 12:50 that you keep your truck moving 12:53 because his freight to get there fast. 12:55 And so I went in the office and I said, I need to talk, 12:59 and he sort of looked over his glasses 13:01 and he gave me that look as if to say, 13:02 you didn't crash the truck, did you? 13:04 And I said, "Look, I've become a Christian." 13:09 It all sort of fell out wrong. 13:11 I had been rehearsing this for two days, you know. 13:13 And I just said, "I've become one of those 13:14 Seventh-day Adventists and I've got to stop working 13:16 when the sun sets on Friday because it's my new religion. 13:19 And he took off his glasses 13:23 and he turned around to face me, 13:24 and he said, David.. 13:26 He said, "You need some religion in your life. 13:28 You can have Saturday and Sunday if you want it." 13:32 And you know what? I was so thankful. 13:36 You know, I didn't even check the speed limit 13:38 as I was driving down the freeway. 13:39 I was on cloud nine as I was going home. 13:41 And that's where my Christian experience really began. 13:47 Having read the Bible, 13:49 someone gave me another book as well 13:51 "Patriarchs and Prophets," 13:52 I've never heard of such things. 13:54 And it was a good book too. 13:56 And I learnt to read that while I was driving. 13:58 I got the big print version. 14:02 so I got the whole series and I read it. 14:04 And it was so good, I read it again. 14:05 It was great. 14:07 Anyway, and I thought, there's other people 14:10 that must be like me that want to hear this good news. 14:12 Let me go and find them. 14:14 So this was the pre-Google days, 14:16 you know, so I got the phone book out. 14:18 And I wanted to find the busiest place 14:22 in my home city, which is Melbourne. 14:24 The best place to be in Australia. 14:27 And it was the number 96 tram stop 14:31 in Bourke Street Mall, in the city center. 14:34 So I decided that's where I'm going on Saturday afternoon. 14:37 My mates can go and lay activities, 14:38 but I'm going to talk to few folk. 14:40 So I had walked up to the tram stop, 14:43 and before anyone could say no, I'd say, 14:45 "Good day. How are you going?" 14:46 You know, that's how we do it in Australia, 14:48 "Good day, How are you doing?" 14:49 And I'd shake their hands and say, 14:50 "I'm Dave and I want to share with you about Jesus Christ." 14:53 And before they could say no, I'd say, 14:54 "Wait a minute, wait a minute, you got to hear this first, 14:56 then you can say no." 14:57 And I'd tell them a little bit, not much. 14:59 Just simple stuff, you know. 15:01 And I'd say, "I have got something for you read. 15:03 You can read, can't you?" And they'd say, "Yeah, sure." 15:05 I they'd take it and they'd say, "Thank you." 15:07 "You're going to remember what I told you?" 15:09 Yeah, I'm going to remember. 15:10 I'd walk down the tram stop a bit further, 15:12 by the time I got to the end, 15:13 they were all rushing to get on the tram 15:14 because they didn't want to talk to me anymore. 15:16 And I'd get back to the first person, 15:17 I'd say, "Did you forget?" 15:19 "No, no, we remembered." 15:20 Anyway, where do you start? 15:23 You've got to start where the people are, right? 15:26 Anyway, we had a chatter. 15:27 Over the time, there was two mates, 15:29 we used to go together. 15:30 And we were as mad as cut snakes, 15:32 that's another good Australian expression. 15:34 And the three of us, sometimes four, 15:39 we talked to 21, 500 people over a few years period time. 15:46 It was a great experience. 15:47 We got very professional at this. 15:49 What we used to do, we used to take a little table 15:51 and put a few other things on there as well. 15:53 And then we'd do rent-a-crowd. 15:55 I'd get them to stand around the other side of the table 15:57 and ask pretend questions. 15:58 And that would draw a crowd and then sort of, you know... 16:01 Anyway, but there was still, I felt, 16:07 let me be honest with you, let me be frank with you, 16:09 I still felt there was something 16:10 incredibly good about what we were doing 16:13 but I was missing something very, very important. 16:17 There was to me what appeared to be 16:18 a holistic part of the Gospel message, 16:21 what I call the hands and feet, 16:23 the dirt under the fingernails, the doing, 16:26 you know, the bit where I'd feel more comfortable, 16:29 when I don't have to wear a coat 16:30 and I can roll my sleeves up, 16:31 you know, and get in and do stuff. 16:33 I'm a truck driver, farming background. 16:36 I like to do stuff with my hands. 16:38 And I wanted to do something, you know, not just preaching, 16:42 talking all the time, you know. 16:44 And so let me take you on a little bit of a journey. 16:46 Is that all right? 16:48 I'll tell you a few more stories. 16:49 Okay, this is where you need to listen 16:52 because now we've had the fun bit, 16:55 this is now the serious bit. 16:57 Let me tell you, there are 12 million children 17:01 enslaved against their will today. 17:03 This day, while we're here in Phoenix, 17:05 many of them are forced into prostitution. 17:08 This is real, this is how it is, 17:11 and this is today. 17:13 Children are not for sale, but it happens. 17:17 And as a Christian, as a father, 17:21 and as someone I know who has seen these children 17:26 and worked with them for so long, I can tell you, 17:29 when you look into the eyes of a child 17:31 that is held in bondage and they appeal to you, 17:36 even if they cannot speak their language, 17:38 their eyes will appeal to you 17:40 and you turn away and say no and do nothing, 17:45 you have missed the most momentous opportunity 17:48 of your life to share the Gospel message 17:52 as a living testimony to this child. 17:55 We have to do something. 17:57 You cannot just look and look away. 18:02 Let's have a look in the Bible. 18:04 Learn to do good. Are we still learning? 18:06 Yes. 18:08 I'm glad there's three honest people here. 18:10 Seek Justice, help the oppressed, 18:13 defend the cause of the orphan, 18:14 and fight for the rights of the widow. 18:16 Did you know this afternoon 18:17 when you came to the plenary session 18:19 that you'll be seeking, helping, 18:20 defending, and fighting? 18:24 There was a time in England, which is my birth country, 18:28 where there was a great man, William Wilberforce. 18:31 You may have seen the great movie 18:33 "Amazing Grace," came out a few years ago. 18:35 William Wilberforce was a great statesmen, 18:37 as it were, a great man that stood up 18:39 for the rights of the people 18:41 and he, and along with his friends, 18:43 they began a process which took many years, 18:45 17 years, to help the free slaves 18:48 and abolish on the other side of the Atlantic 18:51 the disgraceful trade of slavery. 18:54 Finally, it came abound. 18:57 He was a man that stood up 18:59 in the face of political correctness 19:01 and said this is wrong. 19:03 The Bible today, speaks volumes. 19:06 It tells us what pure religion is. 19:08 It tells us about emancipation. 19:11 It tells us about freedom and what it means 19:13 to bring freedom to others. 19:15 Pure and lasting religion in the sight of God our Father 19:18 means that we must care for orphans 19:19 and widows in their troubles 19:21 and refuse to let the world corrupt us. 19:23 Now I am going to read that backwards. 19:27 If you are being corrupted by the world, 19:28 it is because you're not caring for the orphans and widows 19:31 and you don't have pure religion 19:32 that the Father likes. 19:34 Do you like it that way? 19:37 Because that's how it really is. 19:40 Freedom, it does come with a price. 19:46 Look at this freedom. 19:48 This is freedom on the face of a child 19:52 that was suffering the indignity of slavery. 20:00 The Bible tells us in Isaiah, 20:01 remove the chains of the oppression 20:03 and the yoke of injustice, let the oppressed go free. 20:06 Share your food with the hungry 20:09 and open your homes to the homeless poor. 20:11 Give your clothes to those who have nothing to wear 20:13 and do not refuse to help your own. 20:16 It's very clear, very clear. 20:20 There could be no argument. 20:22 There could be no misunderstanding 20:26 of what Isaiah is saying to us. 20:30 There's a certain desire for justice. 20:39 Jesus shared it and he showed it. 20:42 We can do it. 20:45 We need a new William Wilberforce 20:46 in our century. 20:49 Two centuries ago, he stood up. 20:51 Where is the new man that's going to stand up? 21:02 This lady had had 15 children. 21:05 When I met her, the oldest was 14 years old. 21:09 She was this pregnant with her second. 21:11 Her first was on her arm, 15 children, 10 had died. 21:18 Ten deaths in one family, why? 21:22 Extreme poverty. 21:25 This is one of our sisters. 21:27 She is an Adventist sister, one of our own, same faith, 21:31 in another country. 21:34 And this is her home. 21:36 Check out the cooking pot. 21:38 That's where she cooks. That's her bed. 21:40 The two children close to her are her own. 21:43 The others are just kind of straight them away 21:45 that came in for the photograph. 21:47 And she lives in destitution and she lives in poverty. 21:55 Her children were malnourished, 21:57 so we got them onto a feeding program 22:00 where they came along 22:01 for free healthy nutritious meals a week. 22:04 One of them happens to be on a Saturday morning. 22:07 Special day, Saturdays. 22:09 And because it was on a Saturday morning, 22:10 we thought we'd do some fun stuff for the kids 22:14 and started a VBS program 22:16 because that's what you do on Saturdays, isn't it? 22:19 And the mothers were involved with this program as well. 22:23 They go to work number of shifts 22:25 through the week in the community garden, 22:27 which we provide. 22:28 And they grow food, 22:31 and they cook it themselves for their own children. 22:34 And after a while, these children 22:36 are no longer hungry and malnourished. 22:40 And when these children get tick 22:42 from the municipal health nurses being healthy, 22:45 the moms can apply for a micro loan. 22:47 And today, let me tell you, Sonia, 22:51 our friend is not just a happy mum, 22:56 but her faith in humanity and her God, 23:00 our God, has changed. 23:03 I'll introduce you to a verse 23:05 that you may or may not have read before. 23:08 Micro finance is an incredible concept 23:10 and it's right here in the scripture. 23:12 If there are any poor in your towns, 23:14 do not be hard-hearted and tight-fisted towards them. 23:16 Instead, be generous and lend them what they need. 23:18 It didn't say give, it said lend. 23:21 That's a new concept, isn't it? 23:22 We lend. 23:24 And so micro finance, we lend small amounts of money, 23:27 $120 at a time. 23:29 And over the period that we had been working 23:31 and we now have thousands of micro finance clients, 23:35 we have used this as a bridge into communities 23:37 that we would never otherwise be able to go. 23:40 And I can tell you that with our women, 23:44 we are speaking the words of Christ 23:47 to the men in the mosques of parts of this world 23:50 because the doors have been opened. 23:52 And in the Philippines, 23:53 we have the only Sharia approved 23:55 micro finance program in the whole country. 23:58 And we are brought with welcomed open arms 24:00 to work in impoverished communities 24:03 where Islam is the status quo in religion. 24:08 Jesus will find ways for us to work to share His word 24:13 if it is our will to work with Him in partnership. 24:18 Also, in these communities, 24:19 we see them that they're ravaged by typhoons 24:22 and many of you would have remembered, 24:24 only a year ago the super typhoon 24:27 that hit the Philippines. 24:30 When your house is made of sticks and straw, 24:33 a typhoon will rip it to pieces. 24:36 Hurricanes, typhoons, cyclones, they're just so destructive. 24:40 And we found there, we have this beautiful mother. 24:45 Her name is Hannah. 24:46 And Hannah, a Muslim lady, 24:49 was struggling to cross the river 24:51 with her little child to get to safety. 24:52 Her house was demolished. She lost everything. 24:55 The river just took the whole lot away. 24:57 And she was left destitute, 24:59 hardly even with the clothes on her back, 25:01 and certainly none for her child. 25:04 In an instant, her life was just, 25:06 and all her possessions was just flushed away. 25:10 She came desperate for help. 25:13 We started a program. 25:14 Our staff went out and did baseline surveys 25:16 and discovered the needs in the community. 25:19 People needed clean water. 25:20 There were diseases which were in endemic. 25:22 They needed food, they needed shelter, 25:25 they had lost everything. 25:28 We gave food, we opened a school. 25:33 It's like the verse, 25:35 opening your home to the homeless poor. 25:38 We opened our schools and our homes 25:40 where we had so many other children 25:42 and we squeezed these families 25:43 in that had lost everything and had nothing. 25:45 You know, there funny guys, 25:47 they had even brought their dogs. 25:48 We had to accommodate their dogs too. 25:49 You know, like they came in the school classroom. 25:52 And they brought their cooking pots 25:54 and we would give them some rice 25:56 and they would cook it up, 25:57 but it was okay, we were helping them. 26:00 And it was at this time that many of the families 26:05 in this community got together and they came to us united 26:08 and said, we need help but we want to help ourselves. 26:12 What can we do with you to fix the situations 26:16 so we can have housing? 26:17 And so very generous people back in my country, 26:21 they raised some money 26:22 and we were able to provide housing kits. 26:25 And one representative from every single family came 26:30 and they worked and they had to do 26:32 a minimum hours of work. 26:34 And for that, they would get a housing kit. 26:37 It was valued at $220 and it had some lumber, 26:39 and some nails, and a hammer, and a few bits and pieces, 26:42 and some iron for the roof. 26:44 And they could rebuild their lives again 26:46 and have a place to sleep safely. 26:49 And so these ladies came to work. 26:51 Now this grandma came alone. 26:53 She's pretty cute, hey? 26:56 She has no teeth. 26:59 And she, you know, a hoe, right? 27:02 You know, for digging, 27:03 you know what I'm talking about? 27:05 She can hoe a quarter acre a day. 27:08 She is 64, 65 years old. 27:11 She said to me, "I have just my children, 27:16 my grand children. 27:17 There is no one else to look after them. 27:19 I am fit and strong, but I have no home. 27:22 You must help me." 27:24 Anyway, I said, "Yeah, no worries. 27:25 We'll get you started over here. 27:28 I said, "Do you mind if I take your photograph?" 27:30 And she's trying to smile, 27:32 but then she's trying to not smile, 27:33 she's got no teeth. 27:34 It was a little embarrassing moment for her 27:36 and I was trying not to laugh, 'cause I'm just human. 27:40 Stop laughing. 27:43 And, I said, "Do you mind 27:47 if I put your photo on Facebook?" 27:49 And she thought I said you've got a face like a book. 27:52 But anyway, it was okay, it was okay, you know, 27:55 she worked and she worked hard and she got... 27:58 There was another lady 28:00 and her husband was working away 28:02 and the typhoon had struck 28:04 and destroyed their possessions, 28:05 and she had some children and they were sick, 28:07 and she had no one and she was struggling. 28:10 And she said, "I can't come. 28:11 I've got to look after my sick children." 28:14 We said, "That's ok." 28:16 And she had this buffalo and so buffalo came to work 28:19 for five days in place of her. 28:21 And we reckoned the buffalo would plough 28:23 faster than her anyway. 28:25 And so, you know, but the deal was that they help themselves. 28:29 And here was a community, they wanted to help themselves 28:32 to get out of poverty. 28:34 And the day when the lumber arrived 28:35 and the building materials arrived, 28:37 they were so happy because they had done 28:39 the work themselves. 28:41 We had just provided the equipment. 28:44 And our volunteer program, you may not know it, 28:46 but you need to know, 28:48 and I'll share with you at the end. 28:49 But we have an amazing volunteer program. 28:51 And there were so many volunteers 28:52 that came from Australia. 28:54 Sorry, there was none from US but we're going to change that. 28:57 They came over and help them 29:00 and they built with their hands. 29:05 The gospel of the dirt under the fingernails, 29:08 doing some thing physical as well as just the preaching, 29:14 they go together. 29:16 And, you know, Hannah, 29:19 the Muslim lady crossing the river, 29:22 she came back. 29:23 She was the only lady that came back. 29:26 And she said, "Can I please work a little longer. 29:29 I want a house with a cement floor." 29:33 And so she worked an extra week for two bags of cement. 29:37 And she mixed the cement with some mud 29:39 and she's the only lady in that community today 29:41 that has a concrete floor. 29:45 You know, she has such a desire and a hunger for truth. 29:52 She no longer wears the hair covering 29:57 and she has found her faith, a new faith. 30:01 We need you. 30:04 There is a difference between needing and wanting 30:06 and I know you understand that. 30:08 So let me clarify, we need you, not we want you. 30:14 There is a difference. 30:17 We just came the other day, my wife and I, 30:20 to this beautiful part of the US from Thailand. 30:24 We were there with a group of 74 volunteers 30:27 that had given up their school holidays to come 30:30 and work among some of the poorest people 30:32 in that part of the world. 30:34 People from Burma that have fled ethnic cleansing 30:38 to come across to live in refugee camps, 30:41 to live in no man's land 30:43 or to sneak across the border into Thailand, 30:48 and we worked at a number of different sites. 30:50 But this is a place where we focus 30:52 some of the attention 30:54 and some of the finances that we have. 30:57 I'm going to read to you 30:59 because I don't want to say this wrong. 31:01 I'm going to read to you a letter 31:02 that I received from a girl in this area. 31:07 My name is Muttu, I'm just a young girl 31:10 who has come from Karen State in Burma. 31:13 I grew up in a small village along the Thai-Burma border, 31:16 where the Karen and the Burmese soldiers 31:18 always fight. 31:19 My parents are just poor farmers, 31:22 like me, they want to live in peace too. 31:25 For many years, whenever there was a battle, 31:27 they escaped together to a safe place. 31:30 After I was born, their escape became slow 31:31 as they had to carry me with them. 31:33 It was very difficult. 31:35 They had to hide themselves from Burmese soldiers, 31:38 many times was going without food, 31:40 nothing to eat for days. 31:42 It was a great risk for me and for them as well. 31:46 They knew that I would be shot or killed. 31:48 There were bombs, there were mortars, 31:50 and there were shells from the soldiers. 31:53 Because I am a girl, my parents were very concerned 31:57 about my safety. 31:58 I remember one night 32:00 that we had escaped from the soldiers, 32:01 we were hiding in the jungle, 32:02 my parents just hugged me and cried. 32:05 They talked about their concern for me. 32:06 They thought I was asleep. So I heard all that they said. 32:11 They said they have to find a safe place for me. 32:15 A place where there was no soldiers. 32:18 They took our animals, they stole our crops, 32:19 they raped and killed my friends. 32:21 All I wanted to do was go to school 32:23 and live in peace. 32:27 Muttu is like many thousands of girls and boys in this area 32:32 that live and struggle. 32:35 Muttu is a young girl. 32:37 Muttu has had to live through things that no child 32:40 should ever have to live. 32:43 The pain and expression of her face 32:46 is representative of the life and the narrow choices 32:50 that her family were forced into. 32:55 Look what the wise man said. 32:57 "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves 33:01 for the rights of all who are destitute. 33:02 Speak up and judge fairly. 33:04 Defend the rights of the poor." 33:05 So I'm not appealing to you, 33:08 I'm not going to appeal to you 33:13 to suddenly jump up and speak up for these people. 33:17 But I want to say solemnly and declare to you 33:21 that if you leave this place and speak up, 33:26 God will be with you and bless you as you do. 33:29 There are thousands of people that you can speak up for. 33:35 We need a new William Wilberforce. 33:39 We need someone. 33:40 Are we or are we not the church of God. 33:43 Are we? Yes. Amen. 33:46 We are. 33:49 Then as a church of God, 33:50 we can do something for these people 33:52 because the scripture tells us, speak up. 33:55 Will we speak up? 33:58 This boy came, you can see, he is in pretty bad shape. 34:05 Look at this. 34:07 Ellen White has to say, "Orphans may be ragged." 34:09 Actually, before I say this, 34:11 I want to tell you something else. 34:13 Where I come from, she is not so popular. 34:17 But where I come from, she is very popular. 34:19 Amen. 34:21 "Orphans may be ragged, uncouth, 34:22 and seemingly in every way unattractive, 34:24 but they are bought with a price 34:26 and are just as precious in the sight of God 34:28 as our own little ones. 34:30 They are God's property for whom 34:31 Christians' are responsible." 34:32 Put your hand up if you are a Christian. 34:35 Then you are responsible. 34:38 Put it down if you don't want to be responsible. 34:41 Thank you. 34:44 I'm just checking who is listening. 34:47 These are God's, our responsibility. 34:52 Six weeks later, the same boy, six weeks, 34:57 transforming lives, restoring dignity, 35:01 bringing hope, and bringing Jesus Christ 35:03 into their lives in a very physical way initially, 35:07 and in a personal way introducing them 35:09 to a Father that will never let them down. 35:14 There are children there today that live behind barbwire. 35:18 I can assure you, I was there the other day, 35:19 they're still there. 35:21 Two hundred and twenty thousand people in refugee camps, 35:23 nine camps along the border, 35:25 still living behind barbwire today, 35:29 still washing like this, still queuing up 35:32 to get their water like this. 35:34 No turn on the nice tap and out comes 35:36 the hot water from the faucet. 35:39 You just go there and join the queue. 35:45 Let me tell you about some of the work we do 35:46 in the schools in this area. 35:48 This is the most modern device from Apple. 35:52 It is the new stone tablet. 35:58 And they don't use a stylus pen, 36:00 they use a rock pencil. 36:01 This is innovation from Burma. 36:06 But this is it. 36:08 They have nothing. 36:10 My friend in pink, Kuty, has devoted her life 36:15 to serving the poorest people on earth at incredible risk. 36:19 Her brother was caught, tortured, and murdered 36:21 by the soldiers on the other side 36:23 because he desired to share Jesus Christ in a community 36:26 where it was dangerous. 36:28 And for that, they took his life. 36:31 These children are amongst 36:32 the poorest children in the world. 36:36 They will walk 10 days to any health services. 36:40 There is no vaccination program in their community, 36:44 but there are land mines to remind them 36:46 of the fragility of their life. 36:49 This is one of their small schools 36:52 that we are supporting with Adventist teachers 36:54 so they can hear a wonderful message 36:57 of hope in a place of hopelessness. 37:02 This young girl, 12 years old 37:03 who should be in school is carrying a 25 liter... 37:07 I don't know how many gallons that is, 37:08 divide it by 4 and a bit, 25 kilograms 37:12 of water on a head strap, 37:14 up in an embankment, out of a river. 37:16 She doesn't go to school. She is a water carrier. 37:19 Will we speak up for the rights of this girl 37:21 as we are called to in scripture? 37:25 In my country, in the back page of the newspaper 37:28 is always the sport. 37:29 And they use words like hero if someone can kick a ball 37:32 from here to the end of the stage there, you know. 37:35 These are my heroes. 37:37 These are the people that sacrifice their life 37:39 at incredible risk to work in communities 37:42 where there is such poverty. 37:45 But there is a certain richness that they see 37:48 because they see a rich and fertile land 37:50 for the gospel seed to grow into life. 37:54 And they work in these places 37:55 because they see that Buddhism has lost its appeal. 37:59 It is failing people 38:01 and Christianity gives them something to hope. 38:03 And this young girl came to me one day, 38:05 her name is Perry. 38:06 And Perry said, "Dave, please, I need you to support." 38:11 She was going through college. 38:15 Her father had died. 38:16 His dying wish was finish your studies 38:19 and go back to the community where you came from 38:23 where we are and bring Jesus back with you. 38:26 And so she went and she was just 38:28 a year and a half away from finishing college 38:30 when her father died and she has got her scholarship 38:35 and she will go back to share Christ in this community. 38:39 She and others like her, 38:41 they will forego the opportunity 38:43 to come to a wealthy nation where they'll earn big money, 38:47 and for 30 dollars a month, they will work 38:49 in some other most remote desolate areas in danger 38:53 because they believe strongly 38:55 in the cause that we are here for, 38:56 the great commission in the gospel 38:58 because they want to see it being spread 39:00 amongst those of the poorest nations on earth. 39:03 30 dollars a month will be her salary. 39:07 How many earn that in an hour. 39:09 Well, you can afford to sponsor people like that. 39:11 You come and see me later. 39:15 Chained and alone. 39:20 I want to talk about something that's very serious. 39:25 I started by telling you how many numbers of children. 39:28 Just to put that in perspective, 39:30 that's 3,300 more children each day 39:37 that are trafficked against their will. 39:44 In my country and yours, you can buy 39:47 for between $25 and $75 a line, a packet, 39:52 whatever you call it, a speed, coke, ice, 39:54 you call it what you want, we call it what we want. 39:57 They all have their colloquial names anyway. 39:59 Depending on the purity 40:01 and depending on the availability $20-$75. 40:04 You can buy a gun in Africa between $1 and $15 40:07 and ammunition so plentiful, 40:08 they'll give it to you for free. 40:10 But you can sell a girl every day, 40:16 20 times a day, every week, every month, every year, 40:21 and the average girl in Asia that's chained and behind bars 40:24 and is being forced to work as prostitute 40:26 from the age of four and nine and twelve and sixteen 40:29 is 78,000 dollars a year. 40:32 And when we run a rescue program 40:34 that frees twelve or thirteen girls, 40:36 we've just cost someone a million dollars 40:39 that keeps those girls. 40:40 And that's why there is some danger 40:42 in the work that we do. 40:45 Just two years ago, we lost two staff. 40:48 They were shot and killed 40:49 because we are able to rescue someone. 40:52 Let's see what Romans has to say 40:54 before I prepare for the next part of this talk. 40:57 "Love your neighbors as yourself." 40:59 Are you loving? 41:00 Are you loving the man that stands outside the Sheraton 41:03 that says "Happy New Year"? 41:06 If you love others, you will never do them wrong, 41:09 "to love, then, is to obey the whole law." 41:13 You must do this because you know that 41:15 the time has come for you to wake from your sleep. 41:19 You're not sleeping out here, are you, after lunch? 41:23 I hope you only had lettuce, nothing stodgy. 41:27 "For the moment when we will be saved is closer now than 41:29 when we first believed, the night is nearly over, 41:32 day is almost here." 41:35 "The night is nearly over and day is almost here," 41:38 was written two millennia ago. 41:41 How much closer now than 41:43 when Paul wrote this to the Romans. 41:47 I work in places where tribes 41:49 have yet to hear of Jesus Christ. 41:52 But I can assure you 41:54 that the human traffickers are already there. 41:58 What's going first? 42:01 The people who will pimp and prostitute the girls 42:03 or the gospel of Jesus Christ, dare I say. 42:08 You know the answer. 42:10 "Let us stop doing the things that belonged to the dark. 42:13 Let us take our weapons for fighting in the light. 42:15 Let us conduct ourselves properly as people 42:17 who live in the light of the day, 42:20 no orgies or drunkenness, no fighting or jealousy 42:24 but take up the weapons of the Lord." 42:27 I'm just going to back there. 42:29 Let us live like people 42:30 who live in the light of the day. 42:32 I want to address that subject, not theologically. 42:37 I'm not very good at theology. 42:41 There are a number of mitigating factors 42:44 that keep children enslaved. 42:48 One of them is pornography. 42:52 Pornography is keeping girls chained. 42:58 In my country, I'm sure the law 43:01 is very similar to your country. 43:03 If I see a crime being perpetrated 43:06 and if I'm walking along the street here 43:08 and I see a girl being raped in the park 43:10 and do nothing about it, I don't know what your law says 43:12 but in my country, 43:14 I'm in trouble because I kept quiet. 43:19 But to view, online or in magazine form, 43:24 content that continues the brutalization and torture, 43:30 degradation of life, 43:32 and the ultimate death of a child 43:34 who becomes a women, who smiles on cue 43:37 because she knows what will happen if she doesn't, 43:39 because she has faced the pain of torture before, 43:43 and as one after another, after another 43:47 drop off and die, this is voyeuristic murder. 43:52 It's not pornography. 43:54 God sees, we don't need to. 43:58 Let us live like it's the light of the day. 44:03 "No orgies or drunkenness, no immorality or indecency, 44:06 no fighting or jealousy but take up the weapons 44:08 of the Lord Jesus Christ 44:10 and stop paying attention to your sinful nature 44:12 and satisfying its desires." 44:16 A clear holy calling, a clear message from Isaiah, 44:23 a clear message from Solomon, 44:26 speak up, fight, defend, 44:32 learn to do good, was that first Bible verse. 44:35 Who is still learning? 44:37 I'm glad there are more honest people. 44:39 And... This young girl. 44:44 It is not the place to tell you what happened to her, 44:45 but I can assure you this, in the couple of years 44:49 that she has been in our care, 44:50 she learnt something fundamental, 44:54 forgiveness. 44:57 She learnt to forgive the man that abused her, 45:01 that enslaved her, and it brought her freedom. 45:05 Programs like this help in the cause of emancipation 45:10 to really bring freedom. 45:14 Children are not for sale. 45:19 I'm going to read this verse and I'm just going to ask 45:22 while I'm reading it, if my wife comes out 45:24 because she is going to share something with you. 45:26 "The greatest want of the world is the want of men. 45:29 Men, who will not be bought and sold." 45:30 You know this verse? You know this passage? 45:36 Mark it down. 45:38 "Men who will not be bought or sold, 45:39 men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, 45:42 men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, 45:45 men whose conscience is as true to duty 45:48 as the needle to the pole, men who will stand 45:51 for the right though the heavens fall." 45:56 Is there a good man out there? 46:00 Only one. 46:07 Is there a good man out there? 46:08 Amen. 46:11 Because we need them. 46:14 We don't want them, we need them. 46:17 Men, I am appealing to you. 46:21 You set your moral compass straight 46:24 and you stand up for the rights, 46:26 as a father, as a male, 46:30 as a head of a spiritual family, 46:33 you stand up for the rights of the poor. 46:37 That is a gospel appeal. 46:41 If my wife can just come out 46:43 and she's going to share a testimony with us. 46:46 We have a program in the Philippines, Blessed Home. 46:50 It's where we care for many of these victims 46:53 of sexual abuse and violence. 46:58 And it's a difficult task. 47:03 I'm going to let my wife introduce herself. 47:05 Come on up here, Esther. They're not so scary. 47:08 It's all right. 47:09 They've eaten lunch already, they won't eat you. 47:15 My name is Esther. 47:17 When I was 19, I was trafficked 47:21 and forced into prostitution. 47:27 I was forced by some of the contraband 47:29 from the Philippines to Japan. 47:33 Upon arrival, I was taken into a secret place 47:37 by the Japanese mafia known as the Yakuza. 47:43 How did this happen? 47:47 As a child, I grew up in slum area. 47:50 We had no proper kitchen, we cook on fire. 47:54 We had no proper toilet. 47:56 The whole neighborhood shares one toilet. 48:00 We had no running water. 48:01 We had to fetch water from afar. 48:04 We were always hungry. 48:08 One night, there was nothing to eat, 48:11 and I was starving and I couldn't go to sleep. 48:15 So I had to chew some cardboard. 48:18 It was really tough. 48:22 My parents worshipped the spirits. 48:26 And one day my dad became Christian 48:29 and since then, 48:31 they fought a lot about religion. 48:35 It got so bad that they had to split up. 48:38 So my siblings and I were taken into rural area 48:43 to live in a small thatch hut all by ourselves. 48:50 I am the eldest and I had five other younger siblings. 48:55 I was only twelve and our youngest was only two. 48:59 Just imagine, looking after young children 49:03 when I was only a kid myself. 49:06 My mom was not allowed to visit us 49:09 and our dad only checked us on the weekends. 49:13 During this time, my very own dad abused me. 49:20 I was too scared to talk to anyone 49:23 because he used to beat us up. 49:27 Our situation became worse when my dad lost his job 49:33 and we were forced to be put into different places 49:37 away from each other, 49:40 forced to work in return for food and shelter. 49:48 When I was 18, I was recruited to work as a maid in Manila. 49:57 When I was exploited for few months without any pay, 50:02 which left me homeless with no money, 50:06 I felt so vulnerable just like so many other girls, 50:13 who are far away from home with no money, 50:18 forced with narrow choices just like what I did. 50:25 I took the risk to apply for a job 50:30 as a singer in Japan only to find out 50:34 that they were trapped in prostitution. 50:38 Fortunately, for me, 50:39 I was able to escape the Yakuza. 50:43 But with no money and no passport, 50:46 I was eventually caught, detained, put in a cell, 50:53 and deported back to the Philippines. 50:56 But God is good. 50:59 Amazing circumstances happened in my life 51:03 that brought me to Australia to start a new life. 51:08 I was able to finish my studies and I became an accountant. 51:13 I had my own business and looked after my clients 51:17 with their financial affairs. 51:20 And one day, I had a client, I used to go their home office 51:26 and I noticed, wow, they have a loving family. 51:29 And then I found out that they were Christians. 51:33 As we did Bible studies, I found out that 51:37 they go to church on a Saturday. 51:40 That was just so weird. 51:43 But in 2010, I was baptized in Seventh-day Adventist Church 51:49 in Salisbury, Brisbane, Australia. 51:55 Same year, I went to the Philippines, 51:58 we had a family reunion. 52:00 And I spoke to my dad, And I said "Dad... 52:09 What Jesus did for me at the cross. 52:12 I forgive you." 52:16 It was very, very difficult for me to do that 52:18 without Gods help. 52:23 And so I dedicated my life 52:29 and do His work, help this ministry, 52:35 and joined my husband to help the poor children, 52:38 the destitute children. 52:41 So my question is, 52:45 being a Christian, what would you do? 52:49 It's about time to put your faith into action. 52:57 Thank you. 53:02 The lady in yellow on the screen, 53:05 she is coming, I've seen down here. 53:07 If we can just have that. There we go. 53:09 Her name is Psalm. 53:12 Psalm came to one of our medical programs, 53:15 she wasn't sick and neither were her children. 53:19 But she had a bigger problem. 53:22 Psalm, that night, was to be trafficked 53:26 to work in Malaysia as a prostitute. 53:30 And she came to see if we could take her children. 53:34 How the story unfolded? Let me back up. 53:37 When Psalm was this pregnant 53:41 with a little fellow just there in front of her, 53:45 her then drunken husband taken a big bladed machete 53:49 and decided that he was going to terminate the pregnancy 53:52 right there right then with once swipe to her abdomen. 53:56 She put her hand to protect the unborn child 53:59 and took the force of that blade across her arm, 54:02 leaving her in need of surgery and hospitalization. 54:07 She had no money, useless husband ran off, 54:13 and she was left alone. 54:18 She borrowed $50 at 30 percent interest per month. 54:24 She is illiterate, never been to school, 54:28 couldn't even write her name, agreed to the terms 54:31 and conditions of a loan 54:33 that she had no idea of its ramifications. 54:36 And within a short period of time, unable to work 54:39 because of the loss of murdering of the arm, 54:41 she found herself with a debt close to $500. 54:49 She had a young baby and no one 54:53 and her other kids to look after. 54:57 And so the one who took advantage of her 55:03 and gave her the loan with the same person 55:05 that had made her agree 55:09 that if she couldn't pay the loan, 55:12 the children will become his property to exploit. 55:16 She had begged him, "Take me, not the children." 55:20 And that had brought her to our medical clinic 55:24 in the suburbs 55:25 or the urban slums of Phnom Penh, Cambodia 55:28 because that night, 55:30 she was leaving on a plane to Malaysia 55:34 to work as a prostitute to pay back that debt. 55:38 Reality was that she was never going to come back. 55:41 She would never clear the debt and she would die there. 55:44 And we would have her children. 55:46 There was a volunteer team from Australia 55:50 and there was a gentleman in that team 55:52 and he had heard the story as it was interpreted 55:55 and he pulled out his wallet and he counted his money. 56:01 I don't imagine what it was that he was there 56:03 to buy at the end of this trip the next day, 56:05 maybe he's gonna buy himself a pair of jeans 56:07 and a cheap DVD, you know, they built like a mall 56:09 over there for pretty cheap. 56:12 But he brought her freedom that night for $900. 56:17 Good story, but it doesn't end there, 56:22 $900 and she was free. 56:26 It seems to me that 56:30 this is a very practical demonstration 56:32 of what was done on the cross. 56:36 Freedom, the story doesn't end there 56:39 because, you see, we needed someone. 56:41 We needed a staff member and quickly, 56:44 we had just received 30 children 56:47 that we needed to care for, 56:49 they had been victims of extreme poverty. 56:52 Here was a women that had such tenacity 56:54 to help her children 56:56 that had gone to extreme majors to try 56:58 and make sure her children were cared for. 57:00 What a moral compass 57:01 she had set in the right direction 57:03 and we took her to work with us and we took her children. 57:07 And she got a small loan from us 57:10 that was not with interest. 57:13 And she started a small tuck shop, 57:15 making and creating and selling and making 57:18 some profit to pay back her loan. 57:20 And at the same time, she worked part time 57:23 caring for some other children that we were looking after. 57:26 Six weeks later, she asked this question, 57:31 a question that it's possible that some of you may have 57:35 never asked before in this context. 57:39 What must I do to be saved? 57:44 What must I do to be saved? 57:48 She's gone back to her community, 57:51 she's gone back to share Jesus' love. 57:56 What will you do? 57:58 I'm just finishing up, guys. 58:01 What would Jesus do? 58:04 What will you do? 58:05 Well, here's a few things you do. 58:06 You can join a volunteer team, you can join our mailing list, 58:09 you can like us on Facebook, you can rescue a child, 58:12 you can donate or you can come tonight 58:14 to booth 201 over there, 58:16 just go through the first door and turn right in the expo hall 58:18 and you'll find us, booth 201 and come and talk to us. 58:23 On our website, there's a little button. 58:24 It's there. There's a screenshot. 58:26 It says, "Welcome people from GYC." 58:29 You can have a look on our website, 58:31 there's things you can do. 58:32 And right here are the links. 58:33 You can take your smartphone out right now 58:35 and you can plug them in, and you can find us later, 58:39 after your session this afternoon, 58:44 after the seminars. 58:47 We need you. We need your help. 58:50 I want to thank you for the opportunity 58:52 of being able to come and share with you 58:54 a little of what's going on in world in Asia. 58:57 I would like to propose that you continue to pray 59:01 for these victims and these children. 59:04 And please, if you remember, 59:06 pray for Esther and I in the work that we do. 59:08 Thank you so much and God bless you. |
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