Good morning and Happy Sabbath.
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We just want to welcome
everyone who's tuning in
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from around the world to
3ABN's Spring Camp Meeting
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2013. We're coming to you live
from the 3ABN Worship Center.
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And we have a beautiful
live audience with us here
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and they're very lively
this morning. Happy Sabbath!
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Happy Sabbath.
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Oh I love it! You know what?
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It is not only a day that
memorializes God as Creator
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but as the One who's
re-creating us in the image
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of Jesus Christ. My favorite
scripture on the Sabbath
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is Exodus 31:13.
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That it is God
who sanctifies us.
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That's His will for us.
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And I just want to as I'm
getting ready to introduce
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a song here I want to
read a scripture to you.
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Comes from John chapter 10
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and I'm going to
read... begin in verse 27.
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This is Jesus
speaking and He said:
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"My sheep hear My voice
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and I know them
and they follow Me.
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And I give them eternal life
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and they shall never perish.
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Neither shall anyone else
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snatch them from out of My hand.
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My Father who has given
them to Me is greater than all
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and no one is able to snatch
them out of My Father's hand.
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I and My Father are One. "
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I've heard what doesn't
kill us makes us strong.
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And I've heard it's
always darkest before the dawn.
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But all I know is
that God's promises
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are true
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and He only wants
what's best for you.
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We have this hope
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that all hurting will be gone.
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We have this hope
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that all tears
will be left behind.
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I know down here life is hard
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and the world is so unkind
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but hold on because
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we have this hope.
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Every one of us has
heartaches and trials.
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Just remember we're only here
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for a short while.
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Sometimes I feel I've had more
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than my share
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but He won't give us more
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than we can bear.
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We have this hope
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that all hurting will be gone.
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We have this hope
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that all tears
will be left behind.
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I know down here life is hard
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and the world is so unkind
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but hold on because
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we have this hope.
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And this hope for us
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is Jesus.
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So hold on because
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we have this hope.
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Amen!
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I have the great pleasure
of introducing you to someone
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who's very special to
me. This is Shannon Knight,
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and she and her husband
Derek have become members of the
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Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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And they have two
beautiful children.
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And they're such a
special addition to our church
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because they've just jumped in
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and really done
many wonderful things.
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But Shannon, first of
all thank you for being here.
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Don't be nervous.
Thank you for having me.
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OK, let me ask
you... We want you to tell
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your story. You had a
relationship with the Lord
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for a long time -
right - before you learned
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additional truths, right? Right.
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Tell me about it. We were
deeply rooted in the Baptist
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faith... it was over 30 years.
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And just one day driving to
work I was changing the radio
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stations and I
came across a sermon.
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And it was very
powerful and convicting.
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What radio station was this?
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It was 95.9- 3ABN Radio.
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So you were watching...
You know, there's a lot of folk
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who listed to our
local radio station.
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But you said it was
"moving and convicting. "
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Was it different than
what you'd heard before?
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Yes. The sermon was on
the importance of keeping
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the Sabbath and also how
much paganism is wrapped up
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in Christianity. All
right. So when you...
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Did you just hear this sermon
once? Or did you tune in to this
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radio station frequently?
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Every time I got in my
car after that I would keep it
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on that same radio station.
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All right. Now
when you came home
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and you started
learning some of these truths
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what did you say
to Derek your husband?
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I said: "Honey, we're
doing a lot of things wrong. "
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Just love to
hear that, don't you?
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And you hear it all
the time, don't you?
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All right. Now you were
really becoming convicted
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because you were having
the opportunity to listen
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in the car. What did...
How did Derek react when you
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first told him you were
doing a lot of things wrong?
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Well, at first he
thought I was crazy.
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But the more I told him
the more interested he became.
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And we got rid of our
satellite television at home
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because of all the negative
influences that were coming in.
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How old are your children now?
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Ten and twelve.
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You know, what she just
said is a good thing to follow.
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That there is so much negative
things on some of the regular
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secular television and it has
an impact on those young minds.
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So you got rid of that
and then what'd you do?
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My husband put
up a digital antenna
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and we could get all of
the 3ABN channels very clearly.
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And so he started watching
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and he would call me at
work and say: "Ahh, guess what
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I just heard? "
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All right. But you know
something? These folk had been
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Christians for 30 years.
They were Baptist Christians
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and they were very
serious. They even were helping
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plant a church in this area.
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That's what brought you to
the area, wasn't it? Um-hmm.
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So they were very
serious about their commitment
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to the Lord. But now
when you hear these truths
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did that mean that you just
immediately hopped in the car
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and went to a
Seventh-day Adventist church?
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No. We researched for 4 years.
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Praise the Lord!
Amen! Praise the Lord!
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They investigated scripture.
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You got in... you
dug in the scripture
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because you didn't
want to be deceived.
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You mentioned to me
something about truth.
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You said... "We know
there's only one truth
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and that it's
found in the scripture. "
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Amen! Amen!
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So you weren't just going to
let somebody that was talking
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in the pulpit say something
that was moving to you.
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You were going to prove it from
scripture that it was correct.
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Yes. So obviously
your four years paid off.
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Now how did you feel
about first coming to the
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Thompsonville
Seventh-day Adventist Church?
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Well we were a little
nervous about changing churches
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'cause that is a big
step and changing faith.
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We were concerned that everyone
would treat us as outsiders...
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that we would be the only ones
that weren't born and raised
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Adventist and that people would
just think we were different.
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And what was your
experience, Shannon?
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Oh it's such a loving church.
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Praise God! Praise God!
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And I have to tell
you: these precious people
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have been such a
wonderful addition because
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they're doers of the Word.
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And they are a
wonderful addition
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and I'm just so glad that
they walked into a loving church
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and I hope all
Adventist churches are loving.
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But you also said
something else to me
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that I just think is precious.
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You said since you
started keeping the Sabbath
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that something has
happened as far as what God is
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doing by the power of His
Holy Spirit. Tell us about that.
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The only thing we can attribute
it to is keeping the Sabbath
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because we've
always read our Bible
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and, you know,
stayed in the Word.
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But it is such a deeper
understanding of scripture.
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She told me
backstage and I didn't know...
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You know, I've known them for
some time but I didn't realize
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it took four years of
investigation to make sure.
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But aren't you
glad that she's sure?
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Amen! And she
told me backstage...
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She said: "Our growth in
understanding of the Word
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has been exponential
since they've begun keeping
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the Sabbath. " And it hasn't
been without its struggles.
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There's been some...
Your husband's in business
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for himself. Um-hmm.
There's been some challenges
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but all in all God is blessing.
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And your children are
going to school here now?
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Yes. And they love it.
It just have to tell you
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we love this precious family.
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And we're so grateful that 3ABN,
and I hear this everywhere I go,
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3ABN is the
greatest tool for evangelism
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in the hands of the Lord today.
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And we're reaching
millions around the world
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and even in our own back yard.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
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Now we have a gentleman
here who has a shirt on.
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What does that say on your
shirt? I think it says 3ABN.
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Praise God! We've
all got shirts on but...
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I mean... well the
ladies don't - but..
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3ABN and Bob, you are
a full-time volunteer.
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That's correct. God brought me
and Alice here, my sweetheart -
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all right - just a
little over a year ago.
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OK. We've been here ever
since and plan to stay her till
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the Lord moves us on
to a hole in the ground.
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All right.
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Well... well...
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I mean you got me
going there. I'm laughing.
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Now Bob, your background
is a little bit different
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than Shannon's.
Shannon was a Christian
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and she took 4 years
in study and so forth.
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You had one of
those big-dish satellites.
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Yes, that's correct.
It was the Fall of 1997.
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Bored to death.
Addicted to pornography
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and many other
things in my life.
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There was nothing I
wanted to watch on TV
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so I started
surfing the satellites
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and I came
across Doug Batchelor.
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And in '97 3ABN
and Doug Batchelor
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collaborated together and
they put on what was called
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the Satellite
Seminar. It was not a Net
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like most of us are
used to like Net '99.
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I watched that. I
was fascinated with it
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and two weeks into that program
I was a born-again Seventh-day
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Adventist Christian. Amen!
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How am I going to pay tithe? I'm
getting pork out of my freezer.
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The rest of it, just... What
am I? God help me with this!
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Yeah. Now you had
started out in life with...
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You were smoking the time
you were what? Seven years old?
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Seven years old. Older children
introduced my sister and myself
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to nicotine. I became addicted
and smoked for over 20 years.
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My sister took one drag,
got sick, and never smoked
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another day in her life.
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Well listen, then
alcohol came into your life?
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Yes. Back in the '50s, '60s, the
families would gather together
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from the neighborhood.
They would sit around and play
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their penny ante poker and their
canasta and different card games
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and they always had
their alcohol - their liquor,
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their beer, their whiskey,
whatever - and of course
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we would pester mom and
dad: "Can we have a sip?
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Can we have a sip? " And
they finally would break down
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and give us a sip. And
therefore for over 30 years
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I was addicted to alcohol.
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All right. And you were
always thin like this, right?
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Yeah, except for the time
when I weighed 200 pounds.
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Right.
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That was shortly after
the Fall of '97 when I came
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to the health message.
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And I would like
to clarify one thing.
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We hear and we speak many times
of the Seventh-day Adventist
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health message. The
Seventh-day Adventists
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do not have a
health message, God does.
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He has asked us as a
people to preach that message
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and to teach people.
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That's how much I
weighed when I came to 3ABN,
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when I came to God
through 3ABN and Doug Batchelor
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in 1997. Amen! Baptized in 1998.
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My pastor in the little town
I was in would not baptize me
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because I had to study what at
that time was the 27 Fundamental
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Beliefs. And I
walked in the door and said:
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"Baptize me... I'm ready. "
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And I had to go through
the studies so it was '98
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before I got
baptized. All right.
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Well they wanted to make sure,
Bob, because... You know...
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Yes. But we have this
happen over and over again.
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People walk through the
door and they know as much
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about this message
as they possibly can.
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And some of the pastors
immediately baptize them
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and some want to go ahead
and take them through studies.
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Well listen, you're
now... you're a volunteer here.
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Yes, praise God!
What do you do here?
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From 1:30 this afternoon on -
that's why I'm wearing my work
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clothes - I will be behind
one of the cameras that...
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that are filming or
taping us at this time.
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Tear down; set up
studios for the various programs
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that are put on. Shuttle runs.
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I also do the
shuttle for the Camp Meeting.
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St. Louis airport: people that
need to be picked up and taken
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back and forth. Pretty
much anything that 3ABN needs
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if I have any
qualification at all
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all they have to do is
call on me and I'm ready.
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And you and Alice
actually moved here, right?
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Yes we did. We came
here for the intent...
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We came originally for
both of us to volunteer.
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That was our plan.
God had other plans.
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During the interview process
they actually offered Alice
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a full-time position -
paid position - here at 3ABN.
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All right. Which at the time we
didn't know we needed. God did,
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and He fulfilled that
need for us as He always will.
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And by the way,
we are always looking
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for qualified volunteers.
So if you'd like to be a part
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of that you can be.
You just contact Mollie
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and she begins the
process. We go through a process
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of looking at all the
different requirements
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that you have and
the ability you have.
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But also your references
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and just like we
would hiring somebody. Yeah.
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We don't just let
somebody drive in and volunteer
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without going through
that. So it is important
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and we appreciate all
that you're doing, Bob...
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you and Alice
both. God bless you.
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Thank you so much.
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I'm here with Eric Zottel
and I think I want to start
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with a punch line first.
Eric, where are you from?
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West Branch, Michigan.
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In Michigan. How
far away is that?
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It's according to
the GPS 618 miles.
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All right. Eric showed up
here one Wednesday afternoon
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just about closing
time. Everybody was gone.
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And what was your
request when you came?
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Well, I wanted to talk
with a pastor and I wanted to be
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baptized. He came with a
request. He said: "I want to be
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baptized and I want
to be baptized now! "
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So guess what we
did... we baptized him.
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We surely did. He is
now a baptized member
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of the Seventh-day
Adventist church. Amen?
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Amen. All right, now
let's back up a little bit.
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How did you first hear
about the Adventist church
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and about 3ABN? Well, I
faced a little bit of trauma
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with my dad when he
had some heart trouble.
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I stopped by one
day to see my dad
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and he said he
wasn't feeling well.
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And when I looked at him
he was real green in the face.
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And so we had to
take him to the hospital.
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And it got me
started on something that
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had come up in my life before.
Most people have faced it:
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the seriousness of
"What are we here for? "
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and "What about death? "
and "What's this all about? "
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So I started reading my Bible.
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And as I read and
was learning on my own
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I also... soon after, I
don't know exactly when...
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I started listening
to 3ABN on the radio.
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A local radio station
there by the Adventist church...
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the local church's
re-broadcast of 3ABN.
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So... When you
began listening to 3ABN
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did the truths... the
things that you were hearing...
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did they sound
strange to you? New to you?
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Different to you? Was
it a change in your life?
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Very new to me. The
amazing thing is that
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because I had
grown up as a Catholic
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and was raised by very devout
Catholic Christian parents -
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a wonderful family - that
I had never read the Bible.
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I had it with me and I
went to Catholic school
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and I never read it for
myself until I was an adult.
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So when I read it
for the first time
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and then soon after
found the radio station
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it became easier for me to
accept because I would read
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and study and I would hear
things that were consistent
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with what I was learning. Amen.
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What was it like the first time
you stepped into a SDA church?
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Well, that was interesting.
It's a very small church.
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A very loving
church... wonderful people.
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But only about 5-7 people,
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so very small
from what I'm used to.
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And there was no pastor
there. We have a pastor that has
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three churches and can
only be there every other week.
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So it was a bit of a shock.
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The church I heard
about on 3ABN on the radio
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when you walk into
that it was shocking to me.
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This is where I'm
going to go to church?
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Here then is the 64 million
dollar question I should think:
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why the 7-9 hour drive all the
way down here to be baptized?
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Well, believe it or
not I faced some struggles
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with being baptized. Just
circumstances kept coming up
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that seemed to stop that...
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both for myself - a
little hesitation - and...
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and just amazing
things that had happened.
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And I finally got to the point
where I was grieved by this.
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And I decided that, you
know... The Lord impressed me
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that I need to step out
in faith and do something.
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I didn't understand what
exactly, but this is where I got
00:20:20.81\00:20:24.01
my spiritual food. A big source
of it was from that little
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radio station and 3ABN.
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So I knew that there were
people here that were following
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the Spirit, and I came here.
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You came down. It's 5:30 PM.
00:20:37.62\00:20:40.16
I grabbed Dee,
grabbed Larry McLucas.
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I said: "Run some water.
We don't care whether it's
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cold or hot. Just get
some water in a tank. "
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We came over here. I
gave him a quick 30-second
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Bible study. He sounded
good; he answered the questions
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all the right way and
we baptized him in the
00:20:52.45\00:20:54.37
name of the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Ghost.
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And he is a
baptized member even now.
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Last question very
quickly in the last few seconds:
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how does it feel now to
be a member of the world-wide
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family of God? It
is... it's a big relief
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to have the truth and
not have to worry about
00:21:12.10\00:21:15.02
someone breaking
that apart on me.
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To actually have something
where I can come in and...
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and bring my mind and my
intellect and be a whole person.
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That's something
that's new to me,
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and I'm looking forward
to sharing that with others.
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Amen; amen; amen.
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The cherry on the sundae:
he's young; he's Adventist;
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he has his own
business; and he's single!
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I'm going to sit down
here next to Brenda. Hi Brenda.
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Hi, how you doing?
Brenda Keifer, right? Yeah.
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And you've probably been
going to Adventist churches
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all your life? Nope! No? No.
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Is this your
first time? Yes, sir.
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All right. Everybody
glad she's here today?
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Amen! All right!
00:22:01.17\00:22:02.93
Thank you. I
understand that you... you
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are from Benton.
You live over in Benton.
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Originally from St.
Genevieve, Missouri, but
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I've lived in Benton now
about, I guess it's been about
00:22:11.83\00:22:16.30
20-25 years...
so I'm a Bentonite.
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All right, so
you're from Benton now.
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And you've been listening.
Today's like we always talk
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about 3ABN television...
today's a 3ABN Radio day.
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Yes. So you were
listening, switching channels
00:22:26.91\00:22:29.53
or listening to radio
and you heard somebody laugh.
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Yes. Tell us about it. Yeah.
00:22:32.05\00:22:34.70
Reverend Murray. I
had gotten a new radio
00:22:34.90\00:22:38.22
and I was trying it out
and seeing what it could do
00:22:38.42\00:22:43.03
and so forth, and I
happened to run across
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the dial and all of a
sudden I heard this...
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There was some conversation
going on and I didn't know
00:22:50.35\00:22:53.35
what it was about or
who it was or anything.
00:22:53.45\00:22:55.17
And someone said
something and he laughed,
00:22:55.57\00:22:59.68
and when he laughed
it seemed like he just...
00:22:59.82\00:23:02.26
he laughed all over.
You know, it was amazing.
00:23:02.57\00:23:06.50
I thought: "Well I don't know
what that fellow finds so funny
00:23:06.90\00:23:09.68
but I'm laughing now
and I don't know why! "
00:23:09.98\00:23:12.77
A friend of mine came
in the room and she said:
00:23:14.93\00:23:16.88
"What's so funny? " And I said:
"I haven't the fainted idea...
00:23:17.08\00:23:19.48
not the foggiest. " And
she said: "You're laughing
00:23:20.76\00:23:23.68
but you're... " I said:
"I don't know why but... "
00:23:23.79\00:23:25.20
I said "this guy I'm listening
to, he must be one of the
00:23:25.40\00:23:30.19
happiest people on earth because
boy he's really laughing. "
00:23:30.29\00:23:33.97
And his laugh was infectious.
00:23:34.37\00:23:36.75
OK, good. And so I
started listening, you know,
00:23:37.05\00:23:39.59
once in a while here and there.
00:23:39.89\00:23:41.52
And then the more I
listened the more I realized
00:23:41.72\00:23:45.53
that there was something
going on more than just
00:23:45.73\00:23:47.70
listening to his
laughter - um-hmm - because
00:23:47.80\00:23:50.07
I've been born and raised
Catholic like this gentleman
00:23:50.27\00:23:53.50
here who just spoke. Um-hmm.
My whole family's Catholic.
00:23:53.60\00:23:56.94
And I was baptized, of
course, in the Catholic church.
00:23:57.14\00:24:01.41
As a matter of
fact, I was baptized twice
00:24:01.81\00:24:03.73
because when I moved from
St. Louis to St. Genevieve
00:24:03.93\00:24:06.10
the priest down there didn't
know that I'd been baptized
00:24:06.31\00:24:09.73
for sure, so he asked me
to come down at 11 years old -
00:24:09.93\00:24:12.19
OK - to be baptized
again. So I'm the only person
00:24:12.49\00:24:14.87
in Missouri I guess
that's been baptized twice.
00:24:14.97\00:24:17.10
But anyway, the more I...
All my friends were Protestant.
00:24:17.60\00:24:21.76
And I began reading the
Protestant version of the Bible,
00:24:22.16\00:24:26.10
and the more I read it the
more it made much more sense
00:24:26.30\00:24:28.31
than what I was reading. Um-hmm.
00:24:28.61\00:24:30.06
What I was hearing. So
were you a member of any church?
00:24:30.26\00:24:33.70
Yeah, I was a member
of the Catholic church.
00:24:33.91\00:24:36.24
And then after that... did
you become... join any - no -
00:24:36.34\00:24:38.81
other churches? No. Right
now I guess I can't really say
00:24:39.01\00:24:42.66
that I'm a member of any church
because I've stopped going
00:24:42.87\00:24:47.74
to the Catholic church. Except
well... There was a situation
00:24:47.94\00:24:51.84
where I went with my family
because of a funeral situation.
00:24:51.94\00:24:56.80
I know a church that'd
be really happy to have you.
00:24:56.93\00:24:59.26
Oh you do? Yeah, I do. I
could... I wonder who that
00:24:59.46\00:25:01.86
would be? Yeah, I
don't... I can't imagine.
00:25:01.97\00:25:04.01
Probably... probably
right here in this church.
00:25:04.11\00:25:06.17
Yeah, I could be part of it.
00:25:06.27\00:25:07.34
Absolutely. Tell us about C.A.
00:25:07.59\00:25:11.34
Then you heard
another sermon by him.
00:25:11.54\00:25:13.37
Oh yeah. Then I turned it on
again because I was intrigued
00:25:13.48\00:25:17.01
and remembered what the
call letters were and so forth.
00:25:17.21\00:25:20.15
So I turned it on again
and I just kept listening.
00:25:20.29\00:25:23.60
Was intrigued by what I was
hearing... different people...
00:25:23.90\00:25:26.40
and found out who the gentleman
was with the infectious laughter
00:25:26.70\00:25:32.53
and heard him
give a sermon. Um-hmm.
00:25:32.73\00:25:36.09
One of the first ones was
when he was teaching people
00:25:36.59\00:25:39.76
how to roller skate. Roller
skate? And he walked in...
00:25:39.86\00:25:42.57
He sounds like a
different kind of preacher.
00:25:42.67\00:25:44.33
He's laughing
and roller skating.
00:25:44.53\00:25:46.04
Yeah... that's
exactly what I thought.
00:25:46.24\00:25:48.22
The ones that I know walked
around like they were half dead
00:25:48.42\00:25:50.78
and I couldn't
get that, you know?
00:25:52.54\00:25:56.65
Uh-huh. And so one of
the first sermons I heard
00:25:56.96\00:26:00.34
like I said was the
one that he talked about
00:26:00.44\00:26:01.97
he would teach people
to roller skate and then
00:26:02.17\00:26:05.14
in the evening they'd get
together and have a Bible study.
00:26:05.44\00:26:09.28
And I thought: "Boy, that's
a clever way to get people
00:26:09.58\00:26:11.41
in... the kids... interested.
You know that's good. "
00:26:11.61\00:26:13.97
Um-hmm. And so I kept listening
and the more I listened
00:26:14.27\00:26:16.92
the more I liked it. And
that's been about two years ago.
00:26:17.02\00:26:22.45
Two years. How did you
get in contact with C.A.?
00:26:22.75\00:26:24.70
We only have a
couple minutes left.
00:26:24.80\00:26:26.25
I just called 3ABN -
00:26:26.65\00:26:30.06
um-hmm - and I thought:
"Well this is ridiculous.
00:26:30.26\00:26:32.65
He doesn't know
me from Doodery. "
00:26:32.85\00:26:35.23
You know, and I asked if there
was any way I could contact him.
00:26:35.43\00:26:39.06
And they gave me
a telephone number
00:26:39.36\00:26:41.91
and I called it.
Didn't get any answer.
00:26:42.11\00:26:44.78
And called it again,
and he answered this time.
00:26:45.18\00:26:49.67
OK. And we talked a little bit.
00:26:49.97\00:26:51.56
At the time I was going
through an extremely serious
00:26:51.76\00:26:54.78
cancer scare - um-hmm - which
turned out to be just fine,
00:26:54.88\00:26:57.78
thank God. So did he
actually come and see you?
00:26:57.98\00:27:02.76
Yeah, he did about three
days ago for the first time.
00:27:02.96\00:27:05.48
All right. Yeah. All right.
00:27:05.58\00:27:07.21
And so what do you hope?
00:27:07.41\00:27:09.08
What's your plans for the
future? What do you think is
00:27:09.18\00:27:11.35
gonna happen
through all of this?
00:27:11.45\00:27:12.68
You think this is
accident or divine providence?
00:27:12.78\00:27:15.93
Oh no, I don't believe
anything was accident. No.
00:27:16.03\00:27:17.84
Yeah... God has His
hand in this right? Oh yeah!
00:27:18.04\00:27:20.88
Yeah. 'Cause I can tell
the progression what's happened
00:27:21.08\00:27:23.60
and so forth,
you know. All right.
00:27:23.70\00:27:25.01
Brenda, you're a blessing.
We want to welcome you today
00:27:25.31\00:27:28.88
for being here...
your first time in church.
00:27:29.08\00:27:30.88
Thank you. You're
learning a lot of new truths.
00:27:31.08\00:27:32.93
Yes sir, yes sir... I sure am!
00:27:33.04\00:27:35.11
It's making a change
in your life? Um-hmm!
00:27:35.31\00:27:37.26
Um-hmm. Absolutely. Yeah.
Even my best friend said...
00:27:37.56\00:27:40.97
She said: "I can see it. "
00:27:41.18\00:27:42.99
All right. She
sees me all the time.
00:27:43.19\00:27:45.41
She knows me I guess
better than anyone does
00:27:45.61\00:27:47.73
and she said: "Yeah,
I can really see it. "
00:27:47.93\00:27:49.39
All right. I'm going to ask
for our folks a show of hands.
00:27:49.70\00:27:53.31
How many of your will
promise to pray for Brenda?
00:27:53.41\00:27:56.06
All right. Now look
at all these hands. Oh.
00:27:56.26\00:27:58.19
See the monitors
up here or the screen?
00:27:58.29\00:28:00.39
See all these hands going up?
00:28:00.59\00:28:02.15
See, I need all the help
I can get, so that's good.
00:28:02.25\00:28:04.14
Some of them had two hands up.
00:28:04.54\00:28:06.62
Did you see that? Two hands up!
00:28:06.82\00:28:08.90
Like I said, I need all the
help I can get so that's fine.
00:28:09.10\00:28:11.35
Well listen, your future?
You know you have a church
00:28:11.49\00:28:14.88
here - yes sir - and you're
a sister in the Lord already.
00:28:15.08\00:28:18.33
You're no longer a visitor.
This is your first time here.
00:28:18.43\00:28:20.35
We let you be a
visitor today. OK.
00:28:20.56\00:28:22.56
After this you're just family,
OK? OK, and I'm thinking about
00:28:22.66\00:28:26.53
very strongly about baptism.
00:28:26.73\00:28:28.61
Really? Praise... Can
anybody say "Praise the Lord"
00:28:28.81\00:28:31.19
on that one? Praise
the Lord! All right.
00:28:31.39\00:28:32.90
And now I
wonder who would do it?
00:28:33.10\00:28:34.78
Oh I can't imagine. I
think his name is Murray.
00:28:34.99\00:28:36.88
C.A. Murray... OK!
00:28:37.08\00:28:38.49
Yes. You know what? I think
he'll be very happy to do it!
00:28:38.70\00:28:41.18
I hope so 'cause he's
the one I wanted to do it.
00:28:41.38\00:28:43.03
Thank you, Brenda. God bless.
00:28:43.23\00:28:45.44
Just before Magna Parks comes
to give us our study for the
00:28:47.04\00:28:50.48
morning we're going to ask
Tammy Chance to come and...
00:28:50.58\00:28:53.43
and sing "Through the Years. "
00:28:53.64\00:28:55.58
And we're so thankful for
Tammy: her beautiful voice
00:28:55.68\00:28:57.45
and her beautiful spirit. And
then after she shall have sung
00:28:57.55\00:29:00.67
the next voice will be
Magna Parks - Dr. Magna Parks -
00:29:00.87\00:29:03.85
who will give us the
study for this morning.
00:29:04.15\00:29:07.44
"Don't waste your
time in lookin' back"
00:29:17.76\00:29:21.08
I've heard a lot of people say.
00:29:21.39\00:29:24.80
"Just keep your
eyes on the future...
00:29:25.20\00:29:28.62
forget the things
you did yesterday. "
00:29:28.72\00:29:32.54
But every now and
then I like to look back
00:29:32.84\00:29:35.94
and reminisce how good it's been
00:29:36.34\00:29:39.94
walkin' on this
Christian journey
00:29:40.34\00:29:44.08
and havin' Jesus as my friend.
00:29:44.29\00:29:47.13
Through the
years He's blessed me,
00:29:47.33\00:29:50.76
through the years He's kept me.
00:29:50.96\00:29:54.51
The good times and the bad
00:29:54.71\00:29:58.20
He's been the best
friend I've ever had.
00:29:58.41\00:30:02.07
Through the years I'll love Him;
00:30:02.37\00:30:05.95
through the years I'll serve Him
00:30:06.15\00:30:09.96
till I reign with Him forever
00:30:10.09\00:30:13.63
through the years.
00:30:13.83\00:30:18.57
Beautiful memories He's given me
00:30:29.55\00:30:33.33
along with
blessings by the score.
00:30:33.63\00:30:36.73
Love like I
thought could never be
00:30:37.14\00:30:40.77
got sweeter
than each day before.
00:30:41.07\00:30:44.34
Oh, I know that I
could never explain it:
00:30:44.65\00:30:47.87
the joy His love
and goodness brings.
00:30:48.27\00:30:52.01
And if He's been
just as good to you
00:30:52.41\00:30:56.03
why don't you join in and sing?
00:30:56.33\00:30:58.92
Through the
years He's blessed me;
00:30:59.16\00:31:02.87
through the years He's kept me.
00:31:03.17\00:31:06.59
Through the good
times and the bad
00:31:06.89\00:31:10.38
He's been the best
friend I've ever had.
00:31:10.58\00:31:14.20
Through the years I'll love Him;
00:31:14.50\00:31:18.09
through the years I'll serve Him
00:31:18.29\00:31:22.36
till I reign with Him forever
00:31:22.67\00:31:25.58
through the years.
00:31:25.88\00:31:30.81
He's been a strong
and a mighty tower.
00:31:31.03\00:31:34.54
He's never left me
in my darkest hour.
00:31:34.75\00:31:38.34
I know He won't fail me now
00:31:38.55\00:31:41.67
or through the years.
00:31:41.98\00:31:44.82
Through the
years He's blessed me;
00:31:45.12\00:31:48.38
through the years He's kept me.
00:31:48.68\00:31:52.17
Through the good
times and the bad
00:31:52.48\00:31:55.85
He's been the best
friend I've ever had.
00:31:56.05\00:31:59.72
Through the years I'll love Him;
00:31:59.92\00:32:03.55
through the years I'll serve Him
00:32:03.85\00:32:07.66
till I reign with Him forever
00:32:08.06\00:32:11.19
through the years.
00:32:11.50\00:32:16.74
Through the years.
00:32:18.95\00:32:24.92
Through the
00:32:26.72\00:32:28.84
years.
00:32:29.04\00:32:33.81
Amen!
00:32:35.29\00:32:36.34
Good morning
everyone. Good morning!
00:32:40.05\00:32:43.00
Now I've been
accused of talking fast
00:32:43.14\00:32:45.06
and I tried to slow down
yesterday. But today I only have
00:32:45.36\00:32:48.37
35 minutes so I'm
going to be talking fast, OK?
00:32:48.47\00:32:50.95
Let's bow for prayer.
00:32:51.35\00:32:53.04
Father, we thank you so much
for this privilege of being able
00:32:53.54\00:32:56.36
to come before You on
this beautiful Sabbath day.
00:32:56.46\00:32:58.89
We thank you for the
testimonies and the songs,
00:32:59.09\00:33:01.12
and as we approach this
delicate topic I pray that
00:33:01.22\00:33:03.58
Your Holy Spirit may be with me,
00:33:03.68\00:33:05.07
may be with those who
are listening here today
00:33:05.37\00:33:08.21
and by television and radio.
00:33:08.31\00:33:10.01
Thank you for this opportunity
and we just praise Your name.
00:33:10.11\00:33:12.78
In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
00:33:12.98\00:33:14.84
The story is told
by Dr. Karl Menninger,
00:33:15.34\00:33:18.36
a psychiatrist, of a man stand-
ing on a busy Chicago street.
00:33:18.46\00:33:23.16
He stood there solemnly
and as people would walk by
00:33:23.46\00:33:26.24
the person nearest to him
he would point to them and say:
00:33:26.44\00:33:28.63
"Guilty. " Then he
would put his hand back down.
00:33:28.83\00:33:31.04
This is a true story. He would
stand there for a little while
00:33:31.24\00:33:33.71
longer and another
person would walk by near to him
00:33:33.91\00:33:35.85
and he would point
and say: "Guilty. "
00:33:35.95\00:33:37.63
The people would look at him,
00:33:37.93\00:33:40.15
they'd look at other
people, they'd look away,
00:33:40.25\00:33:42.30
and then they'd scurry along.
00:33:42.40\00:33:43.57
Finally one man said:
"But how did he know? "
00:33:43.87\00:33:48.32
We laugh, but every single
one of us sitting here today
00:33:50.04\00:33:54.25
are guilty. Do you
know what we're guilty of?
00:33:54.35\00:33:57.39
Sin. Lying, cheating,
00:33:58.08\00:34:02.27
gossiping, criticizing,
00:34:02.48\00:34:05.79
backbiting,
killing with our tongue.
00:34:06.73\00:34:10.03
We're guilty of sin,
brothers and sisters.
00:34:10.33\00:34:12.34
I read a book probably
about two months ago...
00:34:12.64\00:34:15.82
no it was more than
that, maybe six months ago...
00:34:16.02\00:34:17.72
written by a psychiatrist
who I don't think is a Christian
00:34:18.02\00:34:22.44
at all. And the
title of the book was
00:34:22.54\00:34:25.50
"Whatever Became of Sin? "
00:34:25.80\00:34:28.18
I want to share this
quote that Dr. Menninger
00:34:30.23\00:34:32.80
mentioned in his book. You'll
be reading it on the screen.
00:34:32.90\00:34:35.21
And it says:
00:34:35.32\00:34:36.43
We don't like to talk about sin.
00:35:14.14\00:35:16.12
We may mention it here and there
00:35:16.32\00:35:17.50
even though the Bible says
we've all sinned and done what?
00:35:17.60\00:35:19.85
You know, we
throw that phrase around
00:35:21.37\00:35:23.13
and we say it, but do
we really realize that?
00:35:23.33\00:35:25.85
I wonder.
00:35:26.25\00:35:27.53
And we look through the
Bible we see that God wasn't
00:35:27.93\00:35:30.06
afraid of sin. He would
address sin in different ways
00:35:30.16\00:35:33.12
and He would ask questions
like in the Garden of Eden.
00:35:33.32\00:35:35.21
After Adam and Eve took
the fruit He came and asked
00:35:35.51\00:35:38.49
questions, did He not?
00:35:38.60\00:35:39.85
We have Nathan
appearing to David
00:35:40.16\00:35:42.67
giving him the
parable and David realizing
00:35:42.77\00:35:45.13
was incriminating himself.
00:35:45.23\00:35:46.49
Even Jesus... we talk
about how loving Jesus was
00:35:46.69\00:35:49.22
and compassionate. But
even Jesus didn't stay away from
00:35:49.42\00:35:51.98
talking about sin. The
woman who was almost stoned.
00:35:52.09\00:35:54.60
He was gracious and
compassionate with her,
00:35:54.80\00:35:56.52
but then He said
what? "Go and sin no more. "
00:35:56.72\00:35:59.40
And then the man that
He healed at the pool.
00:35:59.60\00:36:01.46
And then afterwards He
saw him later. He said:
00:36:01.66\00:36:03.66
"Sin no more lest a
worst thing come upon you. "
00:36:03.86\00:36:07.00
So God was not afraid of
dealing with sin... but we are.
00:36:07.20\00:36:10.44
And we know the
general definition for sin.
00:36:10.54\00:36:13.97
It is what? We as
Adventists really know this.
00:36:14.17\00:36:15.88
Sin is the transgression
of the law. I John 3:4.
00:36:16.08\00:36:20.04
And I'm not making fun
of that but we know that.
00:36:20.18\00:36:22.66
We can quote that. But
sin is also other things.
00:36:22.76\00:36:25.20
James 4:17 says that
he that knoweth to do good
00:36:25.40\00:36:28.40
and doeth it
not... It is what? Sin.
00:36:28.50\00:36:30.12
And not only is
sin doing bad things...
00:36:30.32\00:36:33.20
sin is also when we don't
do the things we should do.
00:36:33.60\00:36:36.37
Isaiah talks about "Cease to
do evil and learn to do good. "
00:36:36.57\00:36:41.18
When we don't do good,
when we don't help our brothers
00:36:41.39\00:36:43.98
and sisters that
are less fortunate,
00:36:44.09\00:36:45.78
we are committing sin.
00:36:45.88\00:36:47.33
These are the things
that we are staying away from
00:36:47.53\00:36:49.61
and Dr. Menninger
was concerned about that.
00:36:49.71\00:36:52.02
Now there are a few things
that I think have contributed
00:36:52.42\00:36:55.25
to us getting to this point
where we don't want to talk
00:36:55.35\00:36:58.05
about sin. The enemy
#1 doesn't want us to talk
00:36:58.15\00:37:01.55
about it. He wants to
keep us deceived because
00:37:01.65\00:37:04.01
if he can keep us deceived
and we don't talk about sin,
00:37:04.11\00:37:06.16
we won't go to the
Savior looking for help.
00:37:06.26\00:37:08.39
This is a quote. You will
read it with me on the verse...
00:37:08.59\00:37:10.46
on the screen... that
the enemy talks about...
00:37:10.66\00:37:12.99
that's focused on
when we talk about sin.
00:37:13.39\00:37:16.81
That's his plan.
00:37:27.81\00:37:29.01
And if he makes it attractive,
we won't talk about it as sin
00:37:29.11\00:37:32.54
brothers and sisters.
00:37:32.64\00:37:33.91
The other thing
that I see happening
00:37:34.21\00:37:36.44
is that we are
fearful of offending people.
00:37:36.64\00:37:39.89
Now I am not saying and
encouraging us to offend people
00:37:40.86\00:37:44.05
on purpose. But
sometimes this fear of offending
00:37:44.15\00:37:47.82
makes us careful of
pointing things out.
00:37:48.02\00:37:52.23
And this is happening
even in our dear church...
00:37:53.18\00:37:56.04
Christian church and the
Seventh-day Adventist church.
00:37:56.35\00:37:59.47
But this woman who was
actually a Catholic I don't know
00:37:59.77\00:38:04.94
what exactly... a
theologian or something.
00:38:05.15\00:38:07.31
She wrote a book
called Speaking of Sin.
00:38:07.51\00:38:10.27
I thought it was
real interesting.
00:38:10.37\00:38:11.65
And this is what she
said in regards to offending.
00:38:11.75\00:38:14.07
It's on the screen... read it:
00:38:14.17\00:38:15.46
Is grace and
forgiveness important?
00:38:38.47\00:38:40.28
But we need both
brothers and sisters.
00:38:40.58\00:38:43.24
Not just grace and forgiveness
but also sin and repentance.
00:38:43.54\00:38:48.88
We also are
hesitant in talking about sin
00:38:49.18\00:38:52.46
because we feel we're going
to make the wrong judgments
00:38:52.66\00:38:55.26
about people. And we
should be hesitant about that.
00:38:55.36\00:38:57.84
But sometimes in our fear
of making the wrong judgments
00:38:58.04\00:39:03.06
we may miss something.
00:39:03.26\00:39:04.93
Mohammad Atta... I don't know
if I'm pronouncing his name well
00:39:05.23\00:39:07.97
but he was the mastermind
behind September 11, 2001.
00:39:08.17\00:39:11.91
He came into an
office in Florida
00:39:12.11\00:39:14.79
and he wanted a loan
to buy these cropdusters.
00:39:15.09\00:39:18.43
He got angry at the
woman and said: "What about if
00:39:18.73\00:39:22.03
I went behind the desk
and slit your throat? "
00:39:22.13\00:39:24.41
Then she had an
aerial picture of Washington
00:39:25.52\00:39:28.54
and he started asking her
questions about the security
00:39:28.85\00:39:31.92
with Washington and he
also did some other things.
00:39:32.12\00:39:35.52
And she didn't...
She was so nice to him
00:39:35.82\00:39:38.52
and didn't say much.
00:39:38.62\00:39:39.93
She was interviewed on one
of these programs - I think
00:39:40.03\00:39:41.80
ABC News Tonight
or one of the others.
00:39:41.90\00:39:44.31
This book I mentioned earlier
about... Remember I mentioned
00:39:44.51\00:39:47.20
the book One
Nation Under Therapy?
00:39:47.31\00:39:49.97
The psychiatrist talks about
in there about how Americans
00:39:50.17\00:39:52.44
have gotten so nice and don't
want to talk about and point out
00:39:52.54\00:39:54.90
what's wrong. And the
woman said on the show:
00:39:55.00\00:39:58.08
"Why didn't you
address this thing? "
00:39:58.28\00:40:00.00
And she said: "Oh, he was
a foreigner from out of town
00:40:00.10\00:40:02.96
and so I thought he was
trying to adjust to coming
00:40:03.06\00:40:05.00
into the American culture. "
00:40:05.10\00:40:06.63
You say that, brothers and
sisters, but we do the same
00:40:07.80\00:40:10.36
thing sometimes.
Someone is doing something wrong
00:40:10.46\00:40:13.50
but we're fearful of
making the wrong judgment.
00:40:13.61\00:40:15.51
And sometimes we NEED to
say something and do something
00:40:15.61\00:40:18.73
and we don't know
what we can PREVENT
00:40:18.93\00:40:21.21
by saying or doing something.
00:40:21.41\00:40:22.56
Am I saying we should go around
walking, acting as judges?
00:40:22.76\00:40:25.49
No, but there are some things...
I heard C.D. Brooks say
00:40:25.69\00:40:28.40
"We're not judges...
we're just fruit inspectors. "
00:40:28.60\00:40:31.83
Amen? And when you see the
fruit, you can call the fruit
00:40:33.62\00:40:36.89
for what it is.
00:40:36.99\00:40:38.32
The other thing that I
think has affected us with sin
00:40:38.42\00:40:40.72
is my dear
colleagues... psychologists.
00:40:40.82\00:40:43.48
You know what Dr. Menninger
talks about in his book:
00:40:44.04\00:40:46.87
he says: "Certain
things that we used to call sin
00:40:47.07\00:40:50.36
now has a diagnostic label. "
00:40:50.56\00:40:52.78
We have a
diagnosis for everything.
00:40:54.29\00:40:56.44
Lord help me as I say
this, but I see this happening
00:40:56.64\00:40:58.74
in our pulpits too.
00:40:58.94\00:41:00.40
I see our pastors sometimes
turning into counselors
00:41:00.71\00:41:04.11
in our pulpits as opposed
to pointing out what's right
00:41:04.31\00:41:07.39
and wrong. Now
there's a way to do that,
00:41:07.50\00:41:09.34
and I'm going to mention that.
00:41:09.44\00:41:10.77
But this quote shows
it real well on the screen
00:41:10.97\00:41:13.13
if you read it with me.
00:41:13.23\00:41:14.68
The quote goes on:
00:41:33.42\00:41:35.11
I see this happening more
and more brothers and sisters.
00:41:54.24\00:41:56.82
I have a burden
because I see as a psychologist
00:41:57.02\00:42:01.37
and I hear the
stories that are resulting
00:42:01.57\00:42:05.04
from us not pointing
out what's right and wrong.
00:42:05.24\00:42:07.24
That's why this
is a burden for me:
00:42:07.87\00:42:09.90
'cause I see the end results.
00:42:10.20\00:42:11.56
In society and in the church
we are moving away from this.
00:42:11.86\00:42:15.16
And what happens is that
instead of calling out sin
00:42:15.36\00:42:18.44
we start to place the blame
for sin on external factors.
00:42:18.64\00:42:22.75
There was once an
American university professor
00:42:23.05\00:42:26.25
who was caught
making obscene phone calls.
00:42:26.45\00:42:29.48
You know what he ended up doing?
00:42:29.68\00:42:31.14
He ended up checking
himself in for treatment
00:42:31.44\00:42:34.68
and he blamed it on
his past childhood abuse.
00:42:34.88\00:42:37.86
External factors.
00:42:39.04\00:42:40.44
We've heard of
stories of priests being found
00:42:40.74\00:42:43.07
molesting children, correct?
00:42:43.27\00:42:44.95
On particular priest
went to therapy for two years
00:42:45.15\00:42:48.32
and at the end they asked:
"What did you learn from this? "
00:42:48.62\00:42:51.32
He says: "Well, I think
my childhood was fixated at
00:42:51.52\00:42:56.09
age 7 or 8 and that's why I
was molesting these children. "
00:42:56.29\00:42:59.65
The sad part is that
might have been related to it.
00:43:00.60\00:43:02.85
They put him back into
the parish and guess what he
00:43:03.05\00:43:05.21
continued to
do? Molest children.
00:43:05.31\00:43:08.16
It helps to call it
sin brothers and sisters
00:43:09.11\00:43:12.01
and to deal with it.
00:43:12.21\00:43:13.24
Not only is this
affecting us in this way.
00:43:13.52\00:43:15.71
When we don't deal with sin
00:43:16.01\00:43:18.01
it has an
impact on other people.
00:43:18.21\00:43:20.54
Do you remember the
story of Joshua and Achan?
00:43:20.84\00:43:23.65
Now if Joshua was a
different kind of leader
00:43:24.81\00:43:26.95
what do you think would
have happened to Israel?
00:43:27.05\00:43:28.91
After they were defeated
and Joshua went before the Lord
00:43:29.31\00:43:32.70
falling on his face and
saying: "What's happened? "
00:43:32.90\00:43:34.64
The Lord said:
"There's sin in the camp. "
00:43:34.84\00:43:36.48
Thank God Joshua pointed it out,
00:43:37.50\00:43:39.66
was able to follow,
and Achan confessed sadly.
00:43:39.86\00:43:42.13
Was sad what
happened to Achan's family
00:43:42.43\00:43:44.67
but the point is it was
because of sin in the camp
00:43:44.87\00:43:47.80
that they were not able to
overcome this particular nation
00:43:47.91\00:43:51.55
that they were fighting.
00:43:51.75\00:43:52.89
Could that be
happening in our camps today,
00:43:53.09\00:43:55.03
brothers and sisters?
00:43:55.13\00:43:56.46
I'm getting more and more
calls from people who have been
00:43:56.56\00:43:58.90
mistreated by
leaders, taken advantage of.
00:43:59.00\00:44:02.38
And they're leaving the
churches; they're in despair.
00:44:02.58\00:44:05.66
They're distraught
because nothing has been done
00:44:05.76\00:44:08.44
with the leader.
00:44:08.54\00:44:09.93
I'm saying it 'cause
I'm frustrated with it.
00:44:10.33\00:44:13.53
I'm going to be honest with you.
00:44:13.63\00:44:14.73
We're not dealing with sin.
00:44:14.83\00:44:16.27
We're transferring them
from one church to the other,
00:44:16.47\00:44:18.63
we're doing other things,
and we're not dealing with sin.
00:44:18.93\00:44:21.64
And people are hurting
and dying as a result of this.
00:44:22.04\00:44:25.06
And this is bothersome to me.
00:44:25.26\00:44:26.75
And then I'm not going to
just talk about the leaders.
00:44:27.05\00:44:29.03
There are many of us
sitting in here today
00:44:29.23\00:44:31.22
who have secret sins
that no one knows about.
00:44:31.25\00:44:33.74
And it's eating us like a
cancer brothers and sisters.
00:44:34.65\00:44:38.06
We need to address these things.
00:44:38.46\00:44:40.55
Listen to Dr.
Menninger... what he says.
00:44:40.85\00:44:42.60
This is what led him to
write the book. He says:
00:44:42.80\00:44:44.58
"As a psychiatrist he was
seeing more and more individuals
00:44:44.78\00:44:49.80
who were displaying
symptoms of physical sickness
00:44:50.00\00:44:53.19
which were rooted
in a sense of guilt...
00:44:53.39\00:44:56.50
both false and real guilt.
00:44:56.80\00:44:58.99
He observed that when he
was able to get the individuals
00:44:59.29\00:45:02.83
with whom he dealt to
open up through confession
00:45:03.03\00:45:08.25
they experienced great relief. "
00:45:08.45\00:45:10.65
Remember... this is
a secular psychiatrist.
00:45:10.86\00:45:12.78
Dr. Menninger wondered why
more was not being said about
00:45:13.08\00:45:18.06
sin and the need for
confession and repentance
00:45:18.16\00:45:21.18
in our churches.
00:45:21.38\00:45:23.02
He wondered why sin was
not being taken seriously
00:45:23.22\00:45:27.09
in our churches and wondered
at whatever became of sin.
00:45:27.19\00:45:31.62
Consider the situation of David.
00:45:33.67\00:45:35.78
In Psalm 32:3-4...
you'll read it on the screen...
00:45:36.08\00:45:39.37
he says:
00:45:39.47\00:45:40.50
This is a clear example of
what happens to some people
00:45:56.61\00:46:00.65
when sin is not
called out. It says:
00:46:00.75\00:46:03.24
"Oh, nobody knows
what I've done... I'm fine.
00:46:15.97\00:46:18.00
You know, I've covered it
up with the death of Uriah.
00:46:18.20\00:46:20.20
I'm just fine. "
00:46:20.40\00:46:21.43
So during that time
when nobody - he thought -
00:46:27.88\00:46:30.92
knew about the sin
and he's going along
00:46:31.02\00:46:33.20
he's suffering not only
mentally but physically.
00:46:33.40\00:46:38.33
Do you know that some people
are suffering from physical
00:46:38.63\00:46:41.42
illnesses because of
guilt and not dealing with sin?
00:46:41.62\00:46:46.31
I've seen it time and time again
as I've spoken with people.
00:46:46.61\00:46:49.62
This guilt can
really weigh down on us
00:46:49.92\00:46:52.22
because we're not calling
out sin in our own lives.
00:46:52.42\00:46:55.82
David experienced
peace, a sense of relief
00:46:56.12\00:46:59.90
after confessing his sin
due to Nathan's calling it out.
00:47:00.10\00:47:03.86
This is another
aspect of calling out sin.
00:47:04.16\00:47:07.29
We need to be doing
it in our own lives.
00:47:07.39\00:47:09.75
That little white lie
that you told the other day?
00:47:09.95\00:47:12.48
It's a sin brothers and sisters.
00:47:12.68\00:47:14.51
When that woman walked by
and you said something about her
00:47:15.76\00:47:19.40
that she knows nothing about?
It's a sin brothers and sisters.
00:47:19.50\00:47:22.66
When you made that little
number change on your tax form
00:47:23.61\00:47:28.06
that's a sin
brothers and sisters.
00:47:28.26\00:47:30.00
The list goes on and on and on.
00:47:30.40\00:47:33.00
Sin is something
that we need to call out.
00:47:33.50\00:47:36.24
And pastors as with Nathan...
they have the role of helping
00:47:36.54\00:47:40.76
ministers to see the sin.
00:47:40.86\00:47:42.58
Listen to what
Dr. Menninger says
00:47:42.78\00:47:44.45
as we show it on the screen.
00:47:44.55\00:47:46.34
Do you all
understand what that's saying?
00:48:15.66\00:48:17.50
Some people are sitting there
and the guilt is just there.
00:48:17.80\00:48:19.94
And we can talk about His
goodness and His expectations
00:48:20.04\00:48:23.66
of mankind to
forgive and all of that.
00:48:23.76\00:48:25.28
But they're sitting there
and the roar of guilt is just
00:48:25.38\00:48:27.50
affecting their mind. He
goes on to say with the quote:
00:48:27.60\00:48:31.38
Now notice what he says here.
00:48:54.10\00:48:56.18
Not only should you point
out the sin but you should also
00:48:56.38\00:48:58.63
point out the what?
00:48:58.73\00:48:59.91
So it's not only about
getting up and blaming people on
00:49:00.92\00:49:03.75
the head with all the
things they've done wrong.
00:49:03.86\00:49:05.72
People must also know
there is a solution as well.
00:49:05.92\00:49:09.81
Understanding this concept
helps me to better understand
00:49:10.21\00:49:14.16
some of the quotes I've read in
Spirit of Prophecy about this.
00:49:14.26\00:49:16.89
It's like Menninger almost
picks up Spirit of Prophecy.
00:49:17.13\00:49:19.74
Some point when I was reading
his book I was saying: "Hmmm,
00:49:19.94\00:49:21.78
she must have
read some of this. "
00:49:21.98\00:49:23.41
Listen to this quote... Or "He
must have read some of this. "
00:49:23.61\00:49:25.42
Listen to this quote.
You'll see it on the screen.
00:49:25.52\00:49:27.09
She said this way before
Menninger wrote this thing
00:49:54.56\00:49:59.55
about sin. But as I went
through Spirit of Prophecy
00:49:59.65\00:50:01.55
there are a lot of
quotes that she mentioned -
00:50:01.75\00:50:03.03
I couldn't put them all up -
where she talks about the need
00:50:03.13\00:50:05.85
to talk about sin. And
if Menninger could read this
00:50:05.96\00:50:08.77
he would be exited to
know that there is a church
00:50:08.87\00:50:11.08
who has a messenger who tells
us that we should deal with sin.
00:50:11.28\00:50:14.43
Some people don't like
the idea of talking about sin
00:50:14.73\00:50:18.10
and when we bring this
up they say: "You know,
00:50:18.41\00:50:20.44
we shouldn't get into sin.
" And there are consequences
00:50:20.64\00:50:23.24
for this. Look at
the quote on the screen
00:50:23.34\00:50:26.64
from Testimonies 3 page 328.
00:50:26.74\00:50:29.43
So when you decide that
you want to talk about sin
00:50:50.50\00:50:53.05
be prepared for the
consequence. OK? However,
00:50:53.15\00:50:57.12
we must point out sin in
the manner that Christ did it.
00:50:57.36\00:51:02.64
Very important. In I Timothy 4:2
00:51:02.95\00:51:06.95
the apostle Timothy
says: "Preach the Word.
00:51:07.25\00:51:10.99
Be instant in
season, out of season.
00:51:11.20\00:51:14.66
Reprove, rebuke, exhort
00:51:14.86\00:51:17.66
with all
longsuffering and doctrine. "
00:51:17.87\00:51:21.79
That last part
is really important.
00:51:22.09\00:51:24.12
Notice he says
"with all longsuffering. "
00:51:24.32\00:51:26.93
The servant of the
Lord in Acts of the Apostles
00:51:27.23\00:51:29.50
says that this has to do
with revealing the patience
00:51:29.60\00:51:32.64
and the love of Christ.
00:51:32.94\00:51:35.07
If you're not going to use
or ask God for His patience
00:51:35.27\00:51:39.26
and His love, do not call
out sin, brothers and sisters,
00:51:39.36\00:51:42.00
'cause you will do
more harm than good.
00:51:42.30\00:51:44.48
She goes on to say in
Acts of the Apostles...
00:51:44.88\00:51:46.96
you will read the
quote on the screen:
00:51:47.16\00:51:48.42
Can we do this on our
own, brothers and sisters?
00:52:17.01\00:52:19.23
It's a balanced walk
that we need to have.
00:52:19.53\00:52:21.93
Only the Holy Spirit
can give us that balance
00:52:22.14\00:52:24.97
where we love the sinner
but we lovingly go to them
00:52:25.27\00:52:29.17
and talk to them... when
the Holy Spirit leads us...
00:52:29.37\00:52:31.68
to talk to them and share
about what they're doing wrong.
00:52:31.98\00:52:34.82
In fact, I believe I've
read in one of the Testimonies
00:52:34.85\00:52:37.11
where she says: "If you're not
willing to lay down your life
00:52:37.31\00:52:41.07
for that person, you need
to think twice about going to
00:52:41.27\00:52:43.46
talk to them. " Because you
have to have the right type of
00:52:43.56\00:52:46.82
motive and the
love in your heart.
00:52:46.92\00:52:48.93
So that is very important.
00:52:49.13\00:52:50.93
I truly believe - that's why
this is a burden on my heart -
00:52:51.23\00:52:54.07
I truly believe that some of the
heartache and the difficulties
00:52:54.27\00:52:57.61
we are experiencing in
our lives as Christians
00:52:57.71\00:53:00.37
would we redeem if we
spent more time calling out sin.
00:53:00.67\00:53:05.17
We need to be shaken
and convicted as Christians
00:53:05.47\00:53:08.46
when we come to church, when
we spend time with God alone.
00:53:08.56\00:53:11.98
All of these we need to
be in situations where we're
00:53:12.18\00:53:15.57
shaken up to see ourselves.
00:53:15.67\00:53:17.14
We've been hearing
a call for revival.
00:53:17.35\00:53:19.07
Thank God for President
Wilson who's been telling us
00:53:19.17\00:53:21.92
we need revival. But
brothers and sisters,
00:53:22.12\00:53:24.54
revival is also
connected to calling out sin.
00:53:24.74\00:53:27.31
And we look through the Bible
and we see when John the Baptist
00:53:27.94\00:53:31.05
came he called out sin and
others. When revival occurred
00:53:31.25\00:53:34.30
amongst God's people
connected with that was also
00:53:34.40\00:53:37.49
calling out sin. And we
have to put the two together.
00:53:37.69\00:53:40.60
Some of us are shackled
by sin; we're imprisoned.
00:53:40.90\00:53:43.87
And unless we identify
the sin in our own lives
00:53:44.18\00:53:47.02
we will never get out.
00:53:47.12\00:53:48.69
Another thing about calling out
sin that I think is important
00:53:48.89\00:53:51.86
is that... do you believe that
we can have victory over sin?
00:53:52.06\00:53:55.32
Amen. Amen! I'm
glad to hear that
00:53:55.62\00:53:58.09
because there are some
people who don't believe that.
00:53:58.19\00:54:00.17
Because we don't see it
happening a lot we think
00:54:00.57\00:54:02.84
it can't happen...
but I believe we can.
00:54:02.94\00:54:05.24
But the way that we get to call-
ing out sin is by first what?
00:54:05.64\00:54:10.33
I'm sorry... victory
over sin is by first?
00:54:10.63\00:54:13.36
Identifying sin
and calling out sin.
00:54:13.56\00:54:16.25
If we don't do that,
we won't have victory.
00:54:16.45\00:54:19.11
None of these things can
occur without God's power.
00:54:19.41\00:54:23.97
The Holy Spirit has to convict
us when our sin is revealed
00:54:24.17\00:54:28.29
and then the Spirit
drives us to repentance.
00:54:28.59\00:54:31.61
Sweet repentance. We
are told in Steps to Christ
00:54:32.49\00:54:36.30
"We can no more repent
without the Spirit of Christ
00:54:36.60\00:54:40.98
to awaken the conscience
than we can be pardoned
00:54:41.18\00:54:45.38
without Christ. Every
conviction of our sinfulness
00:54:45.58\00:54:50.30
is an evidence that His Spirit
is moving upon our hearts. "
00:54:50.60\00:54:55.51
Every time we are
convicted of our sin,
00:54:55.91\00:54:58.51
brothers and sisters, it
is because the Holy Spirit
00:54:58.62\00:55:01.11
is moving on our
hearts. And you don't have to be
00:55:01.21\00:55:03.32
a Christian for that to
happen. The Bible tells us
00:55:03.42\00:55:06.54
that it is the goodness of
God that leads us to repentance.
00:55:06.84\00:55:10.61
And she says in Steps to
Christ that when we contemplate
00:55:10.71\00:55:13.52
what Christ has done for
us and we focus on the cross
00:55:13.62\00:55:16.37
and we see and
understand God's goodness
00:55:16.67\00:55:18.76
it helps us to see who we are
00:55:19.06\00:55:20.64
and then we start
to see our sinfulness
00:55:20.84\00:55:22.58
and we are drawn towards Him.
00:55:22.68\00:55:24.21
But we have to make sure
that we get to that point
00:55:24.31\00:55:26.53
where we love each
other enough to call out sin
00:55:26.83\00:55:30.39
and then we ourselves are
open enough to the Holy Spirit
00:55:30.59\00:55:33.90
to call out sin. You
know, there's a song...
00:55:34.10\00:55:36.38
I wanted my girlfriend to
sing it with me. I was going to
00:55:36.58\00:55:39.14
surprise you all,
but she didn't want to
00:55:39.24\00:55:41.12
come and sing it
with me. She's here today.
00:55:41.22\00:55:43.68
Have you heard this
song? I Lay My Sins on Jesus.
00:55:43.88\00:55:47.64
Can you all sing it with me?
00:55:49.00\00:55:50.75
I'll say the words: I
lay my sins on Jesus...
00:55:51.05\00:55:53.49
I lay my sins on Jesus,
00:55:53.69\00:55:59.20
the spotless Lamb of God...
00:55:59.51\00:56:00.54
the spotless Lamb of God.
00:56:00.72\00:56:05.59
He bears them
all and frees them...
00:56:05.69\00:56:07.55
He bears them all and frees them
00:56:07.96\00:56:13.52
from the accursed load...
00:56:13.73\00:56:15.42
from the accursed load.
00:56:15.62\00:56:21.06
Repeat that again:
from the accursed load...
00:56:21.16\00:56:22.56
from the accursed load.
00:56:22.96\00:56:27.74
I bring my guilt to Jesus...
00:56:27.84\00:56:30.23
I bring my guilt to Jesus,
00:56:30.63\00:56:36.51
to wash my crimson stains...
00:56:36.71\00:56:38.26
to wash my crimson stains
00:56:38.56\00:56:44.34
white in His
blood most precious...
00:56:44.54\00:56:46.02
white in His blood most precious
00:56:46.32\00:56:52.25
till not a spot
remains... spain remains...
00:56:52.66\00:56:54.80
till not a stain remains.
00:56:54.93\00:57:00.66
Repeat that with
me... Till not a stain...
00:57:00.86\00:57:02.39
till not a stain remains.
00:57:02.70\00:57:08.64
Isn't that beautiful? Amen!
00:57:08.74\00:57:10.45
We can bring our sins, we
can bring our guilt to Jesus.
00:57:10.56\00:57:14.68
But the only way we can do it is
if we know what we're bringing.
00:57:14.88\00:57:18.42
How many of you all today -
00:57:20.37\00:57:22.25
and the Holy Spirit is
moving on hearts, I know that -
00:57:22.45\00:57:25.91
the angels are
watching. How many of you today
00:57:26.11\00:57:29.00
want God to help you to
deal with sin in your own life?
00:57:29.21\00:57:32.23
See if you're bold enough?
00:57:32.46\00:57:33.75
I know I do. I have
some things in my life
00:57:33.95\00:57:36.90
that I want to be
able to deal with.
00:57:37.10\00:57:39.07
And I don't want to be
too offended if someone
00:57:39.18\00:57:42.33
points it out. I
don't want to be like Adam
00:57:42.44\00:57:46.17
blaming Eve and then
Eve blaming the serpent
00:57:46.20\00:57:49.30
when their sins
were pointed out.
00:57:49.60\00:57:51.58
I want to be open with the
Lord because I don't want a spot
00:57:51.88\00:57:54.93
of sin to remain. Amen.
00:57:55.03\00:57:56.85
And I pray that that
is the same with you.
00:57:57.05\00:57:58.83
Do you all still love me? Yes!
00:57:58.93\00:58:01.17