Participants: James Rafferty
Series Code: 12POP
Program Code: 12POP000006
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00:46 Good evening and welcome to what is our fourth presentation
00:50 in our Pillars aspect of this Camp Meeting. 00:53 We've had a number of seminars today... 00:55 each one better than the next. Each one fulfilling 00:58 and inspiring and informational and inspirational. 01:03 We come now to the last speaking for this particular evening. 01:08 And we have saved - dare we say - the best for last. 01:13 James Rafferty is not an ordained minister of the gospel, 01:18 but he has been ordained by God to preach the gospel. 01:22 Amen. He is a student of the Word. 01:24 And I need to tell you some- thing, let out a little secret. 01:26 It is not true that he and Ty Gibson were fraternal twins 01:31 separated at birth. Because when we think of James Rafferty 01:34 we think of Ty Gibson. They form a powerful team for the Lord 01:37 in Light Bearers Ministry. 01:39 Um, and of course they have also linked up with David Asscherick 01:42 as of late. And so that is a powerful weapon in the hand 01:45 of God. But James is a student of the Word. 01:49 Husband of one wife Rise. 01:51 Rise is a woman with a medical background 01:55 and does a very, very fine job in her own right 01:58 as a herald of the gospel. 02:01 And we expect a really powerful presentation. 02:05 You need to give ear because we're going to talk about... 02:07 he is going to be speaking about hermeneutics. 02:10 Basically which is a long word. Just means 02:12 what are the rules you use when you are interpreting prophecy. 02:16 And that's very, very important 02:18 because when we listen to television or radio 02:20 and sometimes you hear some things and you wonder 02:22 "where is that coming from? " 02:24 it may be because the hermeneutic is wrong. 02:26 It may be because they are not using some basic tools 02:29 that God has given us for digging into the Word 02:32 and then pulling out of the Word what God would have you to know. 02:35 And so James is going to tackle that very weighty 02:38 and important subject this night. 02:39 But before he does so we're going to call Reggie back 02:43 just after I have prayed. This song has become a favorite 02:48 around here. The song is I Have Fixed My Mind On Another Time. 02:52 And hearing that "amen" means it's a favorite of yours too. 02:56 It made its debut just a few years ago 02:58 in Battle Creek, Michigan, one November evening. 03:01 The words of William Miller after the Great Disappointment 03:05 October 22 of 1844. 03:07 They asked him about that disappointment and he said: 03:11 "I've just fixed my mind on another time 03:14 and that time is today and today. " And David Huntsinger 03:17 did such a beautiful job setting that thought to music. 03:20 And of course, Reggie sang it at the General Conference session. 03:23 And it was just... every time that song is sung 03:28 there are people who get tears in their eyes because 03:31 it is such a powerful word of God and such an ensign 03:36 and an emblem for those of us who are just waiting for Christ 03:39 to come. "And that is today and today. " I will live each day 03:43 as though Christ was coming this very day 03:45 because I have fixed my mind on another time. 03:48 Shall we pray. And then the next voice you will hear 03:51 will be that of Reggie Smith. 03:53 And then following him our preacher for the evening 03:56 our friend James Rafferty. Father God, 03:58 we praise you and thank you now 04:01 because You're a good God. 04:05 You're a great God. 04:07 You're a gracious God. 04:09 You are our God... 04:13 and for this we are thankful. 04:16 Lord, would You teach us this night those things that 04:19 You would have us to know and then help us, Lord, 04:22 to do them. Because it is in the doing - not just the hearing - 04:28 that we are made like Christ Jesus. 04:31 Help ups to know what You want us to do 04:35 and then to live lives surrendered to Jesus. 04:39 Bless the speaker; bless those of us who hear. 04:43 And we thank you for each and every perfect gift 04:47 in Jesus' name. Amen. 05:07 I have fixed my mind 05:11 on another time... 05:14 on another time. 05:22 And here I mean to stand until 05:28 God gives me more light. 05:35 And that is today, today... 05:42 today until He comes. 05:49 I have fixed my mind 05:52 on another time... 05:56 on another time. 06:06 I have set my course 06:09 on the narrow way... 06:12 on the narrow way. 06:18 For I know the time 06:22 is close at hand 06:26 for which I watch and pray. 06:32 And that is today, today... 06:38 today until He comes. 06:45 I have set my course 06:48 on the narrow way... 06:51 on the narrow way. 06:59 Even so, Lord... Lord come quickly... 07:05 this is my fervent prayer. 07:12 For I've caught a glimpse of glory 07:18 and I'm longing... 07:21 longing to be there. 07:39 When shall the Son of Man appear? 07:45 The trumpet sound its blast? 07:51 And Christ descend 07:55 in glorious fire 07:58 with all the saints amassed? 08:03 We'll rise with those 08:07 who sleep no more 08:11 to meet Him in the air. 08:17 When shall the Son of Man 08:23 appear? 08:28 The Son of Man appear? 08:35 Even so, Lord, come quickly. 08:41 This is my fervent prayer. 08:48 For I've caught a glimpse 08:52 of glory and I'm longing... 08:57 longing to be there. 09:01 For I've caught a glimpse 09:05 of glory 09:11 and I'm longing 09:16 to 09:23 be there. 09:27 I have fixed my mind 09:33 on another time... 09:40 on another 09:45 time. 10:02 Amen! 10:12 Praise God! Amen. Praise the Lord. 10:16 Well it's good to be here with you this evening 10:18 for another message from the Word of God. 10:21 I'd like you to open your Bibles 10:23 to this verse that I'm going to read. 10:28 I want you to tell me where it is. 10:36 "Surely the Lord God will do nothing... " 10:42 That's right: Amos 3:7. I knew you would know. 10:45 "Surely the Lord God will do nothing but He reveals His 10:50 secrets to His servants the prophets. " 10:52 Have you ever realized how emphatic that statement is? 10:56 "Surely the Lord God will do nothing 11:00 but He reveals His secrets to His servants the prophets... 11:02 through His servants the prophets. " Now I love this 11:04 because this verse is not only 11:07 connecting us to Bible prophecy 11:09 but it is connecting us to the heart of God. 11:13 And that's what we're going to talk about tonight. 11:16 We're talking about hermeneutics. 11:17 We're talking about Biblical principles 11:21 of interpreting Bible prophecy 11:24 but we're actually talking about the heart of God. 11:27 Any time you talk about doctrine, 11:29 any time you talk about the Bible, 11:32 you're talking about God... theology... God. 11:37 And any time you're talking about God you're talking about 11:39 the heart of God: how He thinks, how He feels, who He is. 11:42 And of course that touches on His passion, His love 11:47 for you and for me. 11:48 Let's pray together this evening again. 11:51 Father in heaven, we're just thankful for Your Word. 11:53 We want to lift it up tonight; we want to exalt it 11:56 because that Word is Jesus and we want Him to be 11:59 lifted up before us so that our eyes can be attracted 12:02 to the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 12:04 We know that Lamb is replete in Bible prophecy. 12:09 He is saturating with His redeeming blood the book 12:12 of Revelation. And tonight we want Him to show us... 12:17 to lead us through these prophecies. 12:19 To lead us past the beast, past the dragon, 12:22 through the 7 last plagues and safely into the city of God. 12:25 So we give You this time. We give You our hearts. 12:28 It's been a long day... some of us are tired, 12:30 perhaps distracted, but Father this is Your time 12:34 and this is Your place. 12:35 You have promised to send us Your Holy Spirit 12:37 to convict, to encourage, to draw us to heaven. 12:44 Do that for us now we pray. 12:45 I give You my heart, myself. Ask for a cleansing and 12:48 an anointing. And we pray in the name of Jesus Christ, 12:50 Amen. 12:53 Historicism, preterism, 12:57 futurism... even idealism. 13:00 These are all different approaches to Bible prophecy. 13:03 And some of them are very popular today like futurism: 13:07 a very popular approach to Bible prophecy. 13:10 Let me define that for you. 13:12 Futurism is a Christian eschatolgical - 13:16 eschatological: that means end-time events - 13:19 an end-time events view that interprets the book of 13:22 Revelation and Daniel as future events in human history. 13:27 It is primarily taking these prophecies and putting them 13:30 into the future... especially Revelation 13:32 from chapter 4 onward. 13:34 All that is going to take place some time in the future 13:36 after the church is raptured out of this earth 13:40 and the antichrist is set up. That is the primary focus 13:42 of futurism. What it entails - basically and simply - 13:48 is that there is no prophetic message, no prophetic word 13:52 for God's church for His people 13:54 from about the time of the early apostolic church 13:58 all the way down until the church is raptured out. 14:01 There's a huge gap there that takes place in Bible prophecy 14:06 in prophetic message for God's people. 14:08 Now preterism... Preterism is pretty much the opposite. 14:12 Preterism is a Christian eschatological view 14:16 that interprets the prophecies of the Bible - especially 14:19 Daniel and Revelation - as events that have already 14:22 happened in the first century AD. 14:25 By 100 AD it's all over. 14:28 All of these prophecies have been fulfilled. 14:29 Nero was the beast; he had the mark. 14:32 All of that has already taken place. 14:35 Now it holds - even though it is exactly the opposite 14:37 of futurism - it holds something very similar 14:41 in conjunction with futurism. And that is 14:46 is that it, too, leaves a gap in the prophetic 14:50 message. It leaves a gap of 2,000 years 14:54 from the message that God has given to His church 14:57 until the very end of time. 14:59 There's no prophetic message... it's all been fulfilled. 15:04 Both of those approaches to Bible prophecy 15:08 contradict the verse we just read: Amos 3 verse 7. 15:11 "Surely the Lord God will do... " How much? 15:14 "nothing except He reveals His secrets to His servants 15:17 the prophets. " Now, God is revealed throughout the Bible 15:22 as always revealing what He's going to do. 15:27 Example: the flood. 15:31 God warned the world for 120 years 15:35 that He was going to send a flood 15:37 through Noah, His faithful servant. 15:39 Then you have Sodom and Gomorrah. 15:41 God sent the two angels, the two messengers there 15:43 to Sodom and Gomorrah. You even have Korah, Dathan, and Abiram. 15:45 God warned them through Moses "I'm going to do a new thing 15:48 here. The earth is going to be opened up. " 15:49 You go all the way through the Old Testament. 15:52 You've got Jonah being sent to Nineveh. 15:53 Over and over again God always sends His prophets, 15:57 His messengers. Isaiah, Jeremiah: there's going to be 16:00 captivity. The army from the north is going to come. 16:02 Babylon is going to come like a lion and he's going to ravage. 16:05 God has always been faithful to warn His people 16:09 through Bible prophecy. 16:11 Satan, on the other hand, takes a different approach. 16:14 When he is allowed to work he strikes without warning. 16:18 You remember the story of Job? 16:20 He comes at a time when you're the most concerned, 16:23 when you're the most worried, 16:24 and he takes everything he can take. 16:27 Annihilates in violence and leaves us utterly devastated. 16:33 Completely the opposite of God. 16:35 God has warned and He continues to warn. 16:38 God has given Bible prophecy; God continues to give... 16:41 give Bible prophecy because He wants to prepare every 16:45 generation and He wants to prepare the last generation. 16:47 So all the way through the book of Revelation we have 16:50 the three angels' messages. 16:51 Three Angels Broadcasting Network. 16:53 And we have this incredible message called the everlasting 16:56 gospel. Unique to the book of Revelation, unique to the Bible 17:00 because there is no place else in the Bible that that phrase 17:02 is ever used but in Revelation chapter 14. 17:05 If we could unpack that tonight, that would be beautiful. 17:09 But we want to stick to our subject matter here. 17:12 However, we won't be avoiding the book of Revelation. 17:15 In fact, let's jump in there right now. 17:17 You know I can't stay out of that book for very long. 17:20 I feel like a fish out of water. 17:23 Revelation chapter 1. 17:26 I love the way this book is introduced. 17:31 It picks up where the book of Daniel left off. 17:33 Daniel chapter 10... he sees this man, 17:36 you know, with the face like the appearance of lightning 17:39 and the feet like polished brass and this bright, beautiful, 17:43 glorious, attractive being - Jesus Christ - comes to Daniel. 17:46 That's where Daniel leaves off. That's the end of his ministry 17:49 the end of his prophetic ministry. 17:51 John picks up where Daniel left off. 17:54 John sees Jesus right away in Revelation chapter 1 17:58 in this same form. 17:59 And when Jesus comes to John 18:03 He reminds him - and this is the first message of the book 18:05 of Revelation - He reminds him about the gospel. 18:09 Revelation 1 verse 5: "From Jesus Christ 18:12 who is the faithful witness and the first begotten 18:14 of the dead and the Prince of the kings of the earth. 18:18 Unto Him that loved us and washed us from our sins 18:22 in His own blood. " 18:25 Revelation begins with Jesus and the gospel. 18:30 Revelation does not begin with the beast and the mark 18:35 of the beast. If God wanted Revelation to begin with 18:39 the beast and the mark of the beast, he would have put 18:40 chapter 13 in chapter 1. 18:43 But He didn't. Why? 18:46 Because the only way we'll be able to encounter 18:50 that beast is we first encounter Jesus. 18:54 Amen. The only way we're going to survive 18:57 through the end-time trial is if we keep our focus on Jesus. 19:02 That's the message of the book of Revelation. 19:04 That's the introductory message of the book of Revelation. 19:07 It introduces us to Jesus, who has redeemed us by His blood. 19:11 And then it shows us Jesus standing among the candlesticks. 19:16 Now on the way to that revelation 19:19 God gives a specific insight 19:24 to how we ought to interpret the book of Revelation. 19:27 I want you to look at this first of all in Revelation 19:31 chapter 1 and verse 4. 19:33 Revelation chapter 1 and verse 4. 19:36 It says here: "Grace be unto you 19:39 and peace from Him... " - talking about God - 19:43 "which is and which 19:49 was and which is to come. " 19:53 Now who is this describing? 19:55 It's describing Jesus... it's describing God. 19:58 God is described as He who is - 20:01 that's present tense - 20:03 who was - that's past tense - 20:05 and who what? Is to come... that's future tense. 20:09 See, God reveals who He is in this verse. 20:13 I am the God who is. I am the God who was. 20:16 And I am the God who is to come. 20:18 Now futurism is all about the God who is to come 20:20 or prophecy that is to come. 20:22 Preterism is all about prophecy that was. 20:25 But historicism - this other approach to Bible prophecy - 20:30 is brilliant because historicism takes in the full scope, 20:34 the whole grain, of Bible prophecy. 20:38 Its approach to Bible prophecy describes prophecy 20:41 as that which is happening today, 20:44 that which has happened in the past, 20:46 and that which is going to happen in the future. 20:49 It doesn't separate out. 20:50 It doesn't... it doesn't separate or pull apart 20:54 those aspects not only of Bible prophecy but of God's own heart. 20:59 In other words, historicism doesn't say 21:03 "God was with them and had a prophetic message for them 21:06 but He doesn't have anything for us... not for 2,000 years. " 21:08 Or "God is going to be with these people down in the end 21:11 of time but He has nothing for us right now... 21:13 not for these times. " 21:15 Historicism says: "God - the heart of God - 21:19 always has been with His people, always will be with His people, 21:24 and always is with His people. " 21:26 Jesus says it this way in Matthew chapter 28 and verse 20. 21:29 He says: "Go preach the gospel to all the world 21:32 and lo I am with you always even unto the end of time. " 21:36 Hebrews 13 and verse 5 says it this way: 21:38 "I will never leave you or forsake you. " 21:42 That is the heart of God, 21:44 and Bible prophecy is a revelation of the heart of God. 21:49 So on that premise alone... 21:52 Now I don't want to necessarily emphasize the reason why 21:56 we have preterism 21:59 and the reason why we have futurism. 22:01 It had to do with the counter revolution. 22:03 Excuse me, the counter reformation... 22:06 which was a counter revolution. 22:08 It had to do with two Jesuits, 22:11 one by the name of Luis Alcazar who developed preterism 22:17 to undermine the Protestant reformation 22:20 taking these prophecies that directed the attention to 22:24 the pope and the Catholic church and putting them in the past 22:27 to Nero and also it had to do with Francisco Ribera 22:33 who - another Jesuit - took the prophecies and put them 22:35 into the future... again to take the focus off 22:38 the interpretation of the reformers which was 22:41 on the pope, on the Catholic church. 22:44 I don't want to emphasize that tonight. That's history. 22:47 You can Wikipedia that... you can Google that. 22:48 You can look that up almost any way... it's just fact. 22:51 But what I want to emphasize is this: 22:55 the reformers were men who knew the Bible 23:00 and the God of the Bible. 23:02 They were men who lived and died because of their faith 23:06 in Jesus or I should say the faith of Jesus 23:09 that was manifest in them. 23:11 They were men who were willing to give their lives 23:14 for the truth of the Word of God. 23:17 These men knew not only Bible prophecy but 23:20 they knew the God of Bible prophecy. 23:22 And that is what motivated them, urged them, 23:26 possessed them to understand this principle of historicism. 23:32 The principle that has been handed down from them to us 23:36 to this day. And a principle that not only shows us 23:40 how to interpret Bible prophecy but also shows us 23:43 the heart of God. 23:45 So God introduces the book of Revelation 23:48 as describing Himself. And then I want you to notice something 23:51 that is profoundly interesting, at least it is to me. 23:54 This verse is found in Revelation chapter 1 24:00 and verse 19. Revelation 1:19. 24:06 He's closing up the introduction. 24:08 He's talking now again to John 24:11 and He says: "John, I want you to write the things 24:14 which you... " What's the phrase? 24:16 "have seen and the things which are and the things which 24:22 shall be hereafter. " 24:24 See, I am a God who is now, 24:28 who has been, and who will be after. 24:31 And I want you to write the things that are - 24:34 the things you've seen - and the things that will be hereafter. 24:37 Bible prophecy is a revelation 24:41 of the God of the Bible. 24:43 And the way that we approach Bible prophecy 24:46 is directly connected to the way that we see God... 24:49 the way that we see the heart of God. 24:53 The way that we see who God is. 24:55 And God is a God who is with us presently, 24:59 has always been with His people in the past, 25:02 and will always be with His people to the very end. 25:05 And that's why historicism makes sense. 25:07 Now there's a number of reasons why historicism makes sense 25:10 even in the interpretation of Bible prophecy. 25:14 But to me that's the foundation, that's the bottom line, 25:17 of why historicism makes sense. 25:19 The other thing that I think is powerful is that historicism 25:22 really takes in all of the other interpretations. 25:24 Even a new approach - which is idealism 25:27 which doesn't look at applying it to history at all 25:30 but just to spiritual conflicts and experiences 25:33 that God's people go through in different generations... 25:36 All of those approaches separate the full picture 25:42 of the heart of God. 25:44 And in the brilliance of historicism we have preterism. 25:47 We have futurism. Not in the clearest definition 25:51 of those terms but in the sense that we have prophecy that's 25:54 in the past and we have prophecy that's in the future 25:56 but we also have prophecy for the now. 25:59 You think God's people need prophecy for the now? 26:05 The Bible tells us in Ephesians chapter 4 that God has given 26:08 prophets and the other gifts to His church 26:11 until we all come into the unity of the faith. 26:17 He says in verse 12 of Ephesians 4 26:20 that it is for the: "perfecting of the saints, 26:22 the workings of the ministry, the edifying of the 26:24 body of Christ. " Do you think we need prophecy now? 26:28 Ephesians goes on to describe what God is doing 26:31 through His Word... His written Word, His prophetic Word. 26:34 In chapter 5 it says that He is "washing 26:38 His church with the water of the words 26:42 that He might present it to Him a glorious church... " 26:47 verse 27 of Ephesians 5... 26:48 "not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing. " 26:53 Did you know that you're in a washing machine? 26:58 I have done laundry before. 27:04 Amen, sister. 27:07 The first time I did laundry at my house 27:11 I just put the colors in with the whites. 27:16 Why waste the space? Why waste the time? 27:18 Get it all done. 27:23 I did it all in cold water... it didn't turn out the best. 27:25 My wife began to help me to understand how this all works, 27:29 why it's so important. But what would happen 27:31 if I was washing a load of colors and as the cycle 27:34 was moving through... You know, it went through the wash 27:36 then it went through the rinse and it was going through 27:37 the spin cycle and it was getting ready to go through 27:38 the rinse again I decided: "Hey, there's a little bit 27:41 of room in there. You know, those clothes have gotten 27:44 kind of wet and so they've shrunk up a little bit 27:47 and I've got a few whites here. Let me throw those in. 27:48 And of course I'm going to need some bleach. So let me throw 27:50 those whites in. Let me throw a little bleach in there 27:53 and we can get it all done together. " 27:55 What do you think of that, ladies? 27:57 The guys are just sitting there going "huh? " 27:59 The ladies are all "Haah! What? 28:02 You wouldn't do that, would you? " 28:06 Actually, I wouldn't be that... 28:11 ignorant 28:15 I don't think. 28:17 Besides, the last washing machine my wife bought 28:21 the door locks automatically after 2 minutes. 28:25 Have you ever seen those kind of washing machines? 28:26 I think she got that specifically because of me, 28:28 I don't know. 28:31 But yet we are willing to do that with Bible prophecy. 28:35 You see, the historicist approach to Bible prophecy 28:38 tells us that we are seeing prophecy that is in the process 28:42 of fulfillment... like the washing machine. 28:45 It's in a... it started in a certain cycle. 28:47 Daniel chapter 2, Daniel chapter 7, 28:49 Daniel chapter 8, Daniel chapter 11. 28:51 And that cycle now has been going on for some time. 28:55 Perhaps we're in the second spin cycle. 28:57 We're down there toward the toes; we're down toward the end 29:00 of the prophecy. But at this point 29:02 there are some of us who want to open the door 29:05 to that prophetic washing machine - 29:07 throw in some whites, throw in some bleach - 29:10 thinking it's all going to be OK. 29:11 It's all going to be all right. 29:14 There's room for a little bit more; there's room for a 29:16 different interpretation; there's room for another 29:18 application; there's room for some more clothes in here. 29:21 Not realizing that those clothes are going to mess up the 29:25 and not actually get clean and the bleach itself is 29:28 going to wipe out everything. 29:36 Historicism is so beautiful 29:41 because it helps us to recognize 29:44 how God has led us in the past. 29:48 And as we watch these prophecies unfold 29:52 it gives us confidence and faith 29:55 that God is going to finish the cycle... 29:58 He's going to finish what He's begun in the past. 30:01 But there's something else that's really profound 30:06 about the way that prophecy is written. 30:08 I call it the principle of repeat and enlarge. 30:11 It's a Biblical approach - a hermeneutic to Bible prophecy - 30:15 that is invaluable. 30:17 And the reason I say that is because the principle 30:20 of repeat and enlarge tells us not only about the heart of God, 30:25 how much He wants us to be in the kingdom of heaven, 30:28 but it also lays down the groundwork for how to approach 30:32 and understand and interpret Bible prophecy. 30:35 Repeat and enlarge. 30:37 This principle is found not only in Bible prophecy 30:41 but it's found throughout the Bible. For example, 30:43 you go to Genesis chapter 1. What do you have there? 30:45 The creation story. 30:48 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. " 30:50 Goes through the whole thing. 30:52 All seven days; He rested on the seventh day. 30:53 Then you get to Genesis chapter 2. 30:55 What do you have there? 30:56 Some people would say "another creation story. " 30:58 No, it's not another creation story. 31:00 It is repeat and enlarge. 31:02 In Genesis 1 He tells us He made man in His own image. 31:05 Male and female made He them. 31:07 Genesis 2 He tells us specifically 31:10 how He made the woman. 31:11 He's enlarging upon Genesis chapter 1. 31:16 That's the principle of repeat and enlarge. 31:18 Giving more information; repeating the story 31:20 from a different angle 31:21 giving more insight, more understanding. 31:23 Then we go to Exodus 31:25 which is repeated and enlarged upon in Leviticus 31:27 which is repeated and enlarged upon in Numbers 31:30 and repeated and enlarged upon in Deuteronomy. 31:32 All four of those books contain, for example, 31:36 the annual feasts... which were a type of the plan of salvation. 31:40 All four of those books describe the annual feasts. 31:43 They describe the feasts of Passover, Unleavened Bread, 31:45 Pentecost, Tabernacles... which were required - 31:48 those 3: Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Tabernacles - 31:50 were required once per year for all males 31:54 so that they could remember the plan of salvation 31:58 that God was incorporating into those symbols... 32:00 into that sanctuary. 32:02 It is the symbols of the sanctuary that pointed 32:04 to the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. 32:08 Then you go to - for example - I and II Samuel. 32:13 I and II Samuel is repeated and enlarged upon in 32:15 I and II Kings. 32:17 I and II Kings is repeated and enlarged upon in 32:19 I and II Chronicles. 32:22 For example, in II Kings chapter 21 32:25 we read the story of Manasseh. 32:28 That guy was unbelievable. 32:31 He was so wicked... he was so bad 32:34 he was worse than Ahab. 32:38 In II Kings chapter 21 I'm just going to show you one verse 32:42 here... just a powerful verse. 32:44 It says, verse 16: "Moreover Manasseh shed 32:49 innocent blood very much 32:52 till he had filled Jerusalem from one end to another. 32:58 Beside his sin wherewith he made Judah to sin 33:00 in doing that which was evil in the sight of the Lord. 33:02 Now the rest of the acts of Manasseh 33:03 and all that he did and his sin that he sinned 33:05 are they not written in the book of the chronicles 33:07 of the kings of Judah? 33:09 Manasseh died and rested with his fathers... 33:11 he was buried and rested with his fathers. " 33:13 Manasseh was a wicked king. 33:15 Is Manasseh who filled Jerusalem 33:19 with blood from one end to the other... 33:21 is Manasseh going to be in heaven? 33:27 You sound very sure about that. 33:30 I don't read anything like that in II Kings. 33:33 Where would you get your information from? 33:34 In II Chronicles. It repeats and enlarges upon II Kings. 33:38 And if you go to II Chronicles chapter 33 33:41 it talks here about the details of the final days 33:47 of Manasseh's life. 33:48 It says in verse 10: "The Lord spoke to Manasseh 33:51 and to his people and they would not hearken. " 33:53 You know how that is parents? Grandparents? 33:55 That's how God works with us to begin with. 33:57 When my kids were very small they used to sleep in 33:59 the same room. And they would giggle and they would laugh. 34:03 And Daddy would go in there and he would speak to them. 34:05 Daddy would say: "Time to go to bed. " 34:10 And they'd be quiet... for about 5 minutes. 34:13 And then Daddy would get his stern voice on, and he would 34:16 go back in there and he would say: "I said 34:19 it's time to go to sleep. " 34:21 And they'd be quiet... for about 10 minutes. 34:27 But if worse came to worse 34:30 verse 11: "wherefore the Lord brought upon them 34:34 the captains of the hosts of the kings of Assyria 34:37 which took Manasseh among the thorns 34:40 and bound him with fetters and carried him to Babylon. " 34:46 He got a spanking. 34:48 Did God spank Manasseh because God did not love Manasseh? 34:54 No, God spanked Manasseh because as many as 34:57 He loves He rebukes and chastens. 34:59 Don't despise the chastening of the Lord. 35:01 He loves us. Love is not always this gushy, mushy, 35:06 feely, touchy thing. 35:08 God loves us in a very powerful way at times 35:12 because we need it. 35:15 It worked with my kids... 35:17 at least until they were teenagers. 35:22 "And when he was... " verse 12... 35:24 and it worked with God's kid... "And when he was in affliction 35:26 he besought the Lord his God and he humbled himself 35:30 greatly before the God of his fathers. 35:32 And he prayed unto Him and he entreated of Him 35:34 and God - He - heard his supplication, 35:37 brought him again to Jerusalem and to his kingdom, 35:39 and Manasseh... " What's the word? "knew that the Lord 35:44 He was God. " You're right... you were right. 35:46 You're right... he's going to be in heaven. 35:48 He's going to be... he KNEW that the Lord He was God. 35:53 You can say: "Well Manasseh did all these terrible things. " 35:55 He knew. "This is life eternal that they might know Thee 35:57 the only true God and Jesus Christ whom Thou has sent. " 36:00 God is in the business of saving sinners 36:02 "of whom, " Paul said, "I am chief. " 36:08 Any sinners out there this evening? 36:12 Praise God you have a Savior. Amen. 36:17 So repeat and enlarge reveals this heart of God. 36:22 Over and over and over again God is showing us 36:28 the way to the kingdom... 36:29 showing us the way to the kingdom. 36:31 In case we would give up, in case we would let go of hope, 36:33 He is showing us even Manassehs can be saved. 36:35 And by the way, when you get to Revelation chapter 7 36:37 you see there a picture of the 144,000. 36:41 It says there that they are sealed with the seal of God. 36:45 Twelve thousand out of this tribe, 12,000 out of this tribe, 36:47 12,000 out of this tribe, and 12,000 out of this tribe. 36:50 The twelve tribes that are mentioned there are 36:53 different from the original tribes that are mentioned 36:56 in Genesis 49. 36:58 There is a tribe that is sealed in Revelation 7 that is 37:02 not part of the original 12 tribes in Genesis 49. 37:08 You know what tribe that is that's missing? 37:12 Dan... Dan. Because Revelation 7 is revealing 37:18 again the heart of God. 37:20 Sometimes when we study Revelation 7 and the 144,000 37:24 we come to the conclusion that God has limited the amount 37:28 of people that He's going to save 37:30 as if God is standing at the pearly gates counting: 37:32 "143,998... 143,999... 37:37 144,000. OK, we've got the number... 37:40 let's close it up. " 37:42 Now what does that say about the character of God? 37:50 That's why I love the expanded picture that we have in verse 9. 37:56 I tell people, I say: "Do you know that the Bible 37:58 in the book of Revelation actually tells us 38:00 how many people are going to be saved in heaven? 38:02 The exact number? " 38:04 "Really? " "Yeah, it's in Revelation 7. " 38:07 "Revelation 7? Wait a minute... that's the 144,000. 38:09 This guy is hmmm. " 38:12 And we open up to Revelation chapter 7 verse 9 and it says: 38:14 "And I beheld and lo a great multitude 38:16 that no man could number out of every nation and kindred 38:21 and tongue and people. " Amen. 38:23 "And they cried with a loud voice 38:26 saying 'Salvation to our God 38:29 and to Him that sits on the throne. ' " 38:33 So if Dan's gone, who's replaced him? 38:37 I mean there's still 12 tribes there that are sealed. 38:39 Sealed, sealed, sealed, sealed. 38:40 Who has replaced the missing tribe of Dan? 38:45 Someone says Ephraim. 38:47 It wouldn't be hard to verify if that's the case. 38:49 You just go to Revelation chapter 7 and you read through 38:53 the tribes that are listed there 38:55 and you find out if Ephraim is listed there. 38:58 I know you are Bible students so many of you don't have to 39:00 do that, right? Someone might even know 39:03 what tribe is there without even opening up to 39:06 Revelation chapter 7. 39:07 Does anyone know what tribe it is? 39:09 Manasseh, of course! 39:12 Isn't that interesting? Isn't that powerful? 39:15 Isn't that beautiful to recognize that 39:17 God is using that very same name as if to say to us 39:22 "I'm going to have some Manassehs in the end of time. " 39:28 "I'm going to have some people that you thought were very 39:30 wicked... There may be a president; 39:33 there may be a pope. " Ah! Is that heresy? 39:37 No, that's love that believes all things and hopes all things. 39:44 That is the essence of what God is building in the hearts 39:50 and lives of you and me. 39:52 And He's doing that through the revelation of Jesus Christ. 39:56 So you get to Daniel and basically God is just following 39:59 the pattern... the pattern that's been established 40:01 in Genesis and in Exodus and Leviticus and Deuteronomy. 40:05 And in I and II Samuel and I and II Kings 40:07 and I and II Chronicles. He's just continuing that pattern 40:10 that's in the Psalms... you know, repeat and enlarge; 40:12 repeat and enlarge; repeat and enlarge. 40:14 And so you have Daniel chapter 2 and then you have 40:16 Daniel chapter 7 and then you have Daniel chapter 8. 40:17 And then you have Daniel chapter 11. 40:20 That's Sabbath night... Daniel 11. 40:23 You guys are going to be so full of information and understanding 40:27 you're going to get to that meeting on Daniel chapter 11 40:29 you're just going to be going: "Oh, I'm going to pop! " 40:31 So I suggest - as I am doing - that all of you get as much 40:36 exercise as possible between meetings. 40:39 Even if it's just going out that door and going around 40:40 and coming in this door. 40:42 Just that one little jaunt right there. 40:43 Just get exercise, exercise, exercise... 40:45 'cause the more you exercise the more your brain 40:47 is going to be able to grasp. It's a proven medical fact. 40:51 It's true. Exercise is key; it's vital 40:54 to brain function. 40:57 I looked at the Sabbath schedule and it's intense. 41:08 So you come to the New Testament and what do you find? 41:11 You find the principle of repeat and enlarge. 41:13 You have Matthew; repeat and enlarge Mark; 41:16 repeat and enlarge Luke; repeat and enlarge John. 41:18 Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. 41:20 All of them giving us insights and understandings, 41:22 repeating and enlarging upon the picture. 41:24 You know some of us we have a favorite. 41:26 "I like Matthew. " "I like John. " "I like Mark. " 41:29 And there are certain stories in those gospels that maybe 41:31 aren't in others or aren't told quite the way they are 41:34 in the other gospels. 41:35 Each one of them gives us more insight and understanding 41:38 of the character and heart of God. 41:40 It's the way that He writes. 41:41 It's the way that He's written the Bible; it's the way that 41:43 He writes prophecy and will help us to understand 41:46 Revelation; it will help us to understand Daniel. 41:49 Does the same thing happen in the book of Revelation? 41:51 Do we see repeat and enlarge there? Yes we do. 41:53 We have the seven churches. 41:55 The first vision in Revelation repeated and enlarged upon 41:58 in the seven seals. Repeated and enlarged upon 42:01 in the seven trumpets. Repeated and enlarged upon 42:05 in Revelation 12 through 21. 42:09 I wish we had time to unpack all of that. 42:11 You're going to have to take my word for it for now 42:13 even though we were told not to do that. 42:17 But I believe that you are students of prophecy 42:21 and that you will study this out. 42:23 And we'll have some extra information for you on this. 42:26 For now what I'd like to do is go to Revelation chapter 1. 42:31 Just to get... to give you an idea of this 42:36 principle of repeat and enlarge 42:37 and how it parallels historicism. 42:41 How it connects with historicism and builds and develops 42:45 this beautiful approach to the prophecies of Revelation... 42:50 to the prophecies of the Bible. 42:51 Revelation chapter 1. John sees a vision of Jesus 42:55 standing where? 42:58 Among the candlesticks. 43:00 Where does that imagery come from? 43:02 The candlesticks? The sanctuary! 43:04 The sanctuary is all through the book of Revelation. 43:06 There are almost 70 references to the sanctuary 43:08 in the book of Revelation. So the sanctuary is the key 43:11 to unlocking Revelation. 43:12 Now the sanctuary is a key to understanding 43:15 the principle of repeat and enlarge 43:19 and of this historicist approach to Bible prophecy. 43:24 Why? Because the candlesticks 43:28 were in the holy place of the heavenly sanctuary. 43:33 The courtyard - according to Hebrews 13- 43:36 represents the earth and the cross of Calvary. 43:42 Revelation chapter 13. Let's just look there quickly. 43:45 Excuse me, Hebrews chapter 13. Let's just look there quickly. 43:47 You know, the book of Hebrews is what unlocks the symbolism 43:50 of the sanctuary. Hebrews unlocks the symbolism of the 43:53 sanctuary and the sanctuary symbolism unlocks 43:55 the book of Revelation. 43:58 Hebrews 13 says... verse 10: 44:01 "We have an altar whereof they have no right to eat 44:05 which serve the tabernacle for the bodies of those beasts 44:08 whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the 44:09 high priest for sin were burned without the camp. 44:12 Wherefore Jesus also... " - verse 12- "that He might 44:15 sanctify the people with His own blood suffered 44:17 without the gate. " The altar of Hebrews 13 44:21 and verse 10 is the cross. 44:24 In the heavenly sanctuary the courtyard represented 44:28 this earth. The altar where the lambs were taken and slain 44:31 represented the cross of Calvary. 44:34 After Jesus died, He was resurrected. 44:36 He went into heaven and He began His work of mediation 44:40 there on behalf of the entire world. 44:43 He became the only mediator between God and man. 44:46 What compartment of the heavenly sanctuary - 44:50 because remember, the sanctuary on this earth was a type 44:53 of the sanctuary in heaven... 44:55 What compartment of the heavenly sanctuary 44:58 did He begin His work in when He ascended to heaven? 45:01 Revelation tells us. 45:03 Revelation tells us He's standing among the candlesticks. 45:07 He's in the holy place. 45:09 That's what Revelation tells us. 45:12 That means that from AD 31, His resurrection, 45:17 until some time down the prophetic line of time 45:21 Jesus is in the holy place of the heavenly sanctuary. 45:25 Now we know when that time of transition took place. 45:28 We all believe that took place according to Daniel chapter 8 45:31 verse 14 in 1844. 45:34 He transitioned from the holy place to the what? 45:36 The most holy place. Now, the seven churches, 45:40 the seven seals, and the seven trumpets 45:44 all begin in the apostolic age. 45:47 How do we know this? 45:50 Because of the symbols of the sanctuary. 45:52 First of all, the seven churches 45:54 show Jesus Christ among the seven candlesticks. 45:57 Now look in Revelation chapter 4. 46:00 Revelation chapter 4 and 5 46:04 is a picture of the inauguration if you will 46:08 of Jesus Christ. He's ascending to heaven. 46:10 He's going in before the Father. 46:12 Revelation chapter 4 shows the throne set up in heaven, 46:15 verse 2. It goes on to describe in verse 5 46:20 that out of the throne proceeded lightning and thunders 46:25 and voices and there were what? 46:28 Seven lamps of fire. So where are we right now? 46:31 The holy place. 46:32 By the way, thunders and lightning and voices 46:39 around the throne of God. 46:42 God's presence is symbolized by the power of thunder 46:46 and lightning and voices. 46:47 God is powerful; His presence is powerful. 46:49 When He came on Sinai there was thunder and lightning 46:51 and voices... the people were terrified. 46:53 Don't be terrified of the power of God. 46:55 God wants to infill you with that power. 46:59 So there's these thunders and lightnings and voices 47:01 and they're around the throne. And the seven lamps of fire 47:04 are burning there before the throne. 47:07 And these seven lamps are the seven spirits of God. 47:10 Now in chapter 5 John sees a book that no man could open 47:15 sealed with seven seals. 47:17 We're called to observe something here... 47:20 something that is very significant. 47:22 That there's no man in heaven, there's no man in earth, 47:24 and there's no man under the earth that can open this book. 47:26 But don't weep... there IS a remedy: 47:29 "Behold the Lamb of God 47:31 who takes away the sins of the world. 47:33 He has prevailed. " 47:39 And I can't help but pause here and remind us 47:43 how powerful the book of Revelation is 47:45 in connection to the gospel. 47:48 Because every message that's given to the seven churches 47:52 closes with this appeal to overcome. 47:54 "To him that overcomes... to him that overcomes... 47:57 to him that overcomes. " 47:59 And of course when we get up in the morning 48:02 and we stand in front of the mirror and we look at ourselves 48:04 we say: "You know, I'm not quite sure I'm overcoming. " 48:13 And so God doesn't finish... God doesn't leave us 48:16 with the message of the seven churches. 48:19 He takes us now to a repeat and enlarge picture 48:22 of the plan of salvation 48:25 and He shows us that there's no man in heaven, 48:27 there's no man in earth, and there's no man under the earth 48:29 that can actually prevail... only Jesus has prevailed. 48:34 And by the way, that word prevailed is the very same word 48:37 overcome. The very same word in the Greek. 48:39 Jesus has prevailed. 48:42 Now that doesn't mean that the message to the 7 churches 48:47 is null and void. 48:49 God is calling us to overcome, 48:51 but not the way that we have thought we are to overcome. 48:56 We're not to overcome by might 49:01 or power but by My Spirit says the Lord of Hosts. 49:04 And so God reminds us that you are weak; you are unable. 49:08 There's no man in heaven or in earth or underneath the earth... 49:09 but "Behold the Lamb of God... He's prevailed. " 49:12 And then you get to Revelation chapter 6 49:15 and the seal is brought forth and a white horse goes forth 49:17 conquering and to what? Conquer. 49:20 And that word conquering and to conquer... that word is the 49:22 same word: to overcome. 49:24 So now we get a picture of the plan of salvation. 49:27 Here's the picture: you need to overcome 49:29 but there's no one in heaven, in the earth, or under the earth 49:31 that can overcome. But Jesus has overcome 49:34 and if you will unite with Jesus Christ - 49:35 because you're the horse and He's the rider - 49:37 if you will give Him the reins of your life 49:40 and will connect with Jesus Christ, you will go forth 49:42 conquering and to conquer. Amen. 49:45 Your job is not to go forth conquering and to conquer. 49:48 Your job is to connect with Jesus. 49:50 When you are connected with Jesus you will go forth 49:52 conquering and to conquer. That's the message, 49:54 that's the gospel of the book of Revelation. 49:56 And Satan will do everything he can to try to upend 50:00 your connection with Jesus. 50:04 In this world of technology he's doing everything he can 50:08 to distract us. Let's go take advantage of technology. 50:11 Let's get our iPods and our iPhones and our i-this and 50:15 i's and let's fill them with the gospel, 50:17 fill them with the message, and put them in our ears 50:20 and put them in our eyes and focus on Jesus 50:22 wherever we go. Let's take advantage of it. 50:25 That's what I do. I have my little iPod 50:26 and I put it in there. I've got all the Conflict of the Ages 50:28 series in there. When I'm out on the track 50:30 or mowing the lawn or when I'm out getting wood or whatever 50:32 I'm doing I'm listening, I'm listening, I'm listening. 50:35 I'm not hearing every word but there are phrases, 50:36 there are thoughts that touch my heart 50:38 and I rewind and I listen to that again. 50:40 And I know, I sense the Spirit of God speaking to me. 50:45 It's not just in those morning devotional times. 50:48 It's not just that we wake up and we get together with God 50:50 for an hour and we say: "I've done my duty" 50:51 and now we go out into the world alone. 50:53 No, we take the Spirit of God with us. 50:56 We let Him abide with us and surround us and protect us. 51:00 We fill our minds and hearts not with CNN, 51:02 not with the latest corruption that's going on in this world. 51:04 We fill our minds and hearts with Jesus. 51:06 "Whatsoever things are pure and holy and just 51:08 and of good report. If there be any virtue 51:11 and there be any praise, think on these things. " 51:13 We don't empty our mind and meditate on nothing. 51:21 Meditation is all about Jesus. 51:22 It's not about emptying... it's about filling. 51:25 About letting the Holy Spirit fill us 51:28 with glimpses of Jesus that will strengthen and 51:30 uplift the soul. And they're all through the book of Revelation. 51:32 So... now notice this. As Jesus is inaugurated, 51:36 as He's in there in heaven and He takes this book, 51:39 it says, verse 6: 51:41 "And I beheld and lo... " Revelation 5 verse 6... 51:43 "in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts 51:46 in the midst of the elders stood a Lamb as it had been slain 51:49 having seven horns and seven eyes 51:51 which are the seven spirits of God which are... " What? 51:55 "sent forth to all the earth. " 51:57 Now the seven spirits of God were before the throne 51:59 initially, but now that Jesus has been introduced - 52:02 inaugurated if you will - now these come up into heaven. 52:05 This is His ascension; this is His resurrection. 52:07 It's the same in Revelation chapter 12. 52:09 "The dragon stood before the woman to devour the child 52:11 as soon as it was born. And the woman was taken 52:13 up to God to His throne. " 52:15 Starting right there with the apostolic age 52:17 in Revelation 12. Starting right there with the apostolic age 52:19 in Revelation's seven churches. 52:21 Starting right there in the apostolic age 52:22 in Revelation's seven seals. 52:24 The spirits of God are sent forth into all the earth. 52:27 When did that take place? The outpouring of the Spirit 52:30 on the Day of Pentecost. That's what's happening 52:32 right now in Revelation 5. 52:34 The outpouring of the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. 52:35 And then the seals are opened and what do you have? 52:37 You have this white horse - the apostolic church - going 52:39 forth conquering and to conquer. 52:41 Then you have that persecution of the red horse 52:43 and the compromise of the dark horse. 52:44 And of course the pale horse of death 52:47 following with the judgment. 52:48 And those that are under the... under the altar 52:51 asking, calling out for judgment. And then of course 52:53 you have the signs then you have the 2nd coming of Jesus. 52:55 It's repeat and enlarge all the way. 52:57 The churches line up perfectly. Now let's go to the trumpets 53:00 and see if we can see the same prophetic picture. 53:02 Revelation chapter 8 and verse 2. 53:07 I'm going to go quickly now. 53:09 "And I saw seven angels and they stood before God 53:12 and to them were given seven trumpets. 53:15 And another angel came and stood at the altar having 53:17 the golden censer. And it was given unto him much incense 53:19 that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints 53:24 upon the golden altar which is before the throne. " 53:26 OK, there's two altars in this verse. 53:28 Did you notice that? 53:29 There's an altar from which he gets incense 53:31 and then there's a golden altar which is before the throne. 53:33 Let's start with the golden altar; that's the easiest. 53:35 Where is the golden altar? In the holy place 53:37 or the most holy place? It's in the holy place. 53:41 It's right before the curtain in the holy place. 53:43 That's where the golden altar is. 53:46 Now we've already identified that the altar in the courtyard 53:49 is Calvary. This is a picture of Jesus 53:52 taking the merits of Calvary into the holy place. 53:58 And He is there beginning His mediation. 54:00 This is apostolic age 54:02 because the golden altar is in the holy place. 54:05 We know most holy is post-1844 54:08 so this is apostolic age. 54:10 So He's mingling the incense which is His righteousness. 54:14 Now we understand incense in Revelation 5 represents 54:17 the prayers of the saints. But in Revelation 8 54:19 it's mingled with the prayers of the saints. Therefore 54:22 according to Ephesians 5:2 54:23 incense here is the sacrifice of Jesus, 54:26 a sweet-smelling savor. 54:29 Why does His incense have to be mingled with our prayers? 54:32 Because... well, have you ever prayed a cold, listless, 54:36 selfish prayer? You have and you just don't know it. 54:39 All your prayers are contaminated 54:44 by bad motives. All of them. 54:47 Selfishness... selfishness. 54:51 Have you ever moved along in your Christian experience 54:54 oh a year, two years, five years, ten years, twenty years 54:57 and all of a sudden you realize something 55:00 about yourself that you've never noticed before? 55:03 You realized a motive that was in your heart 55:06 that was wrong and you doubted whether you'd even 55:10 been a Christian for all of those years. 55:12 And God says: "No worries... I've got this. 55:16 It's My righteousness; it's My incense. 55:19 You're My child... I've got you covered. " 55:21 And we say: "Praise God! Hallelujah! " Amen. 55:24 Now what happened? In the apostolic age 55:27 they were praying for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. 55:29 They were praying earnestly in that upper room. 55:32 And as they were praying those prayers came up 55:34 and they were mingled with the righteousness of Christ. 55:35 They were confessing their sins, their self-righteousness. Their 55:37 "I want to be the greatest; I want to be number one. " 55:39 You know, Me, me me, me... I, I, I, I. 55:41 And as those prayers came up they were mingled with the 55:44 righteousness of Jesus Christ. And it says in verse 5 55:46 the angel took the censer and filled it with what? 55:49 Fire off the altar. And cast it where? 55:53 Into the earth. So they were praying for the 55:56 outpouring of the Holy Spirit and what happened? 55:58 Fire comes down... cloven tongues of fire 56:00 into the earth. And there were what? 56:02 Voices and thunderings and lightning and an earthquake. 56:06 Where were all of those taking place in Revelation chapter 4? 56:08 Around the throne of God. 56:10 Where are they now? In the earth. 56:12 God has poured out the power that's around His throne, 56:15 the very presence of Himself, the very essence of who He is 56:18 through the Holy Spirit - fire - and He's poured it out 56:20 unto His disciples into the earth. 56:22 And then, of course, the trumpets begin to sound 56:24 because that outpouring of the Holy Spirit 56:26 took the gospel to all the world. And those trumpets 56:28 represent judgments. But those judgments don't come 56:30 until God pours out His Spirit and fills the world with the 56:33 gospel. And it's going to be the same in the end of time. 56:35 So each one of these prophetic pictures, 56:39 these prophetic messages, begin in the apostolic age 56:41 and take us all the way to the second coming of Jesus Christ. 56:43 I know I have filled your minds with a lot of stuff. 56:45 I talk very fast. 56:46 I'm ready to apologize for that but not in public 56:52 because I have so much more I would love to share with you 56:56 and I have 33 seconds to do it. 57:02 We haven't even touched the second half of the book of 57:05 Revelation where we've got a phenomenal picture that proves 57:09 historicism and shows us beyond a shadow of a doubt 57:14 that our approach to Bible prophecy 57:17 is 100% foundationally immoveable. 57:22 Immoveable. We'll get a chance... 57:25 I'll get a chance to share that with you. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. 57:27 As soon as the time ends we're going to pray together. |
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