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00:31 Amazing grace
00:38 How sweet the sound 00:44 That saved 00:50 a wretch like me 00:55 I once was lost 01:01 But now am found 01:08 I was blind, 01:14 but now I see 01:28 'Twas grace that taught 01:36 my heart to fear 01:38 And grace, 01:43 my fears relieved. 01:49 How precious did 01:54 that grace appear 02:00 The hour 02:06 I first believed 02:19 Through many dangers, 02:24 toils and snares 02:29 I have already 02:34 set free from 02:39 'Tis grace has brought me 02:45 safe thus far 02:50 And surely 02:54 His grace will lead me home 03:01 I shall go home 03:17 When we've been there 03:23 ten thousand years 03:28 Bright shining 03:30 as the sun 03:38 We've no less days 03:43 to sing God's praise 03:49 Than since the day 03:55 when we've first begun 04:05 Than since the day 04:12 when we've first begun 04:33 Amen. Good afternoon, ASI. 04:36 Happy Sabbath. 04:39 Welcome to a session of members in action. 04:42 And our focus this afternoon is a very special one 04:45 on Urban Evangelism. Amen. Amen. 04:49 Work in the cities. 04:50 And I'm so happy to have with me today, 04:53 representing the Atlanta area Debbie Wallace. 04:56 Debbie comes right up here with me. 04:59 Debbie is working in a ministry in downtown Atlanta. 05:03 And her church was involved in a food distribution program 05:08 reaching out to about how many people each week? 05:11 About 1,200 families each week, 1,200. 05:14 That's a big responsibility. That's a huge ministry. 05:19 What we were seeing is that, more every week, 05:22 more and more people with the economic downturn. 05:25 We were finding that families, a typical families, 05:30 I mean people who had jobs are now homeless. 05:33 And, now in the inner cities, we're not talking about 05:35 like nationally 9 and 10% unemployment. 05:38 We're talking about 14 to 16% unemployment. 05:42 So these people are coming for groceries 05:44 every week to be fed 05:46 to be able to take care of their families. 05:48 I want you to think about a church 05:50 and how big our church-- 05:51 our church is a 4,000 member church, 05:53 Atlanta Berean Seventh-day Adventist church. 05:55 And we had lines. 05:57 People would lineup from in the morning 05:59 and lineup all around the building. 06:02 There will be people with families 06:04 with children in their hands, 06:06 with baby carriages waiting to get some food. 06:10 Wow, well you know Debbie 06:11 I know--I've worked with you in ASI 06:14 in Southern Union before. 06:15 I know you've a real burden for the health message 06:17 and you had the health expo panels. 06:20 How have you been able to take the food program and expand it 06:25 to make it a health evangelism program as well? 06:28 Well, as we saw this week after week, 06:31 I had a burden in my heart 06:32 that these people are coming to our church. 06:34 These families many of them don't know 06:37 who we are or that we even have a health message, 06:39 who the Adventist church is. 06:41 They were just coming to meet their needs. 06:43 And we start of how can we do that 06:46 by bringing our health ministry into it. 06:48 Now the problem was the building 06:51 was completely taken over with food. 06:53 There is not an ounce of space anywhere. 06:56 They said Dr. Wallace, 06:57 "We don't have any space for you inside." 07:00 And that Lord impressed me to say you know what? 07:02 "I don't need to be inside. I'll take a tent outside." 07:06 And we erected a tent outside 07:07 and we started to do health screenings outside 07:11 in the hot weather. 07:12 These people are feeling the heat out there 07:15 even without being on to the tent. 07:17 It was actually a welcoming thing to them-- 07:20 for them to come and sit down for a minute 07:22 and get under a tent sometimes. 07:24 And we found people with very, very dire health problems. 07:29 People, people young people 07:30 with skyrocketing high blood pressure 07:32 and bad and very high blood glucose levels and so on, 07:37 that we were able to then start to talk about. 07:39 You know, we can help you 07:42 if you would like to become a part of us, 07:44 our ministry you can come and join our free class 07:47 and if nothing else we'll give you a free meal. 07:50 We'll feed you some food. 07:52 They didn't know it was going to be vegan food 07:55 but they all came. 07:56 And then they tasted it and they said, "Wow, 07:59 I never tasted anything like this before." 08:01 You're telling me there is no meat in this. 08:03 And we explained and then we go into our classes 08:05 and teach them the Ten Health Laws. 08:07 And as a result of that, 08:09 people are actually changing and understanding-- 08:12 they didn't even know some of these folks where just 08:14 actually let them sample with soymilk taste like. 08:17 They had no idea that there were other alternatives to dairy. 08:21 So it's just been a wonderful ministry. 08:23 You know, I'm always surprised in a ministry 08:25 how God surprises us from time to time 08:27 and just opens a door with someone 08:29 we would normally have never met. 08:32 Did the radio ever help you find some contacts? 08:35 Yeah, so we advertised 08:37 our health expo on Praise 102.5 FM 08:41 and a lady was actually coming on our way 08:44 she said to a jazz festival. 08:47 And then the jazz festival got canceled 08:50 and then she heard our advertisement. 08:52 So she turned her car around and came to our church. 08:55 It was her first time 08:56 she had stepped forth into a Seventh-day Adventist church. 08:58 She had no idea what she was in for. 09:01 But as a result of coming to our church, 09:03 she joined our program and she had diabetes problems 09:07 since she wasn't overweight or anything. 09:09 But her doctor just couldn't get her diabetes under control. 09:12 And as a result of following our healthy lifestyle practices, 09:16 she is now got in control of her diabetes 09:18 and she is now visiting our church. Amen. 09:21 Debbie, this kind of a program 09:23 and with the emphasis of our church 09:25 needing to work for cities, 09:26 can other people copy what you've done. 09:28 Is it that-- is it simple to them? 09:29 Yes, yes this is something I feel a burden to express 09:33 having been in the health ministry of our church 09:36 and I know that sometimes we have these programs 09:38 and we try to reach the community 09:40 and we sometimes fall short 09:42 and we get disappointed sometimes 09:43 when only a handful of people come out. 09:45 But we have a lot of our churches 09:47 are actually doing food distributions. 09:50 Maybe not on the large scale that our church is but-- 09:52 we have those kinds of availability 09:55 to do these ministries. 09:56 And we-- what we don't do is 09:57 we don't sometimes couple these ministries. 10:00 Like we were so happy that we found a way 10:02 to be able to be a part of the food distribution. 10:05 And I think that is something that I want people to think of. 10:08 How can we work together with the other ministries 10:11 that we have in our church 10:12 to get our health message out there? 10:14 Okay, so it's wonderful to feed people 10:16 but we want to go further 10:18 and the health approach getting to screen them, 10:21 helping them with their total lifestyle. 10:23 Helps us also get to their spiritual heart, doesn't it? 10:26 That is, that is the goal 10:27 because we want to fit them for the kingdom. 10:30 Ah, what about families? 10:33 I mean a lot of--you think of individuals to be homeless 10:36 or whatever but now today even families-- 10:40 lot of the people you minister to I think include children. 10:42 Yes, our ministry actually, we got funded to do 10:46 a child with obesity prevention program 10:49 and as a result of this program, 10:50 we have been to reach out to people 10:52 and bring them in as families to learn our healthy lifestyle. 10:56 We have one particular young man, 10:59 his mother brought him to the class 11:01 because he was very overweight, obese you might say. 11:04 And he was having struggles and his mom says, 11:07 "I just can't feed him enough. 11:08 He just keeps eating, eating, eating. 11:11 And I said, "You know what, 11:12 maybe it's what you are feeding him." 11:13 It's not necessarily that, 11:15 you know, we have very large appetite. 11:17 Sometimes what we are feeding our children in not filling. 11:20 And so as we brought her 11:21 through the program that helped her. 11:22 She actually is now just so happy that he is gone, 11:25 his weight under control and he is eating better 11:28 and they're just one happy family now. 11:30 Thank you, Debbie. 11:31 And if to contact your ministry, 11:32 you can go on the website and its hipcare.org. 11:36 Hipcare.org, 11:40 we also try to allow our ministry 11:42 to go out to other churches through video conferencing 11:45 and also if your church has a need 11:48 and don't maybe have the expertise 11:50 and so on, we have that. 11:51 The healthy life core has a volunteer 11:53 base of hundreds of people 11:55 that we want to make you a part of it. 11:57 We would love for you to join us. 11:59 And for you to provide us 12:01 with assistance in whatever way to make our ministry go out 12:04 and to meet the needs of our community. 12:06 Thank you, Debbie, for what you're doing 12:07 in Atlanta, Georgia. 12:08 God bless you. Thank you. 12:10 Our next interview is from Denver, Colorado 12:13 another city that needs to be worked in America. 12:16 And coming out to speak 12:17 on behalf of the Healing Place Ministry as a Director. 12:21 Karen Lewis. 12:22 Welcome, Karen, we're so happy that you're here. 12:25 How are you reaching out to the people in Denver? 12:28 Ah, well Denver is the eighth highest 12:31 rate of homelessness in the Unites States. 12:33 In fact many of you don't know 12:35 20% of homelessness has risen 12:38 all across the country in the last year 12:40 due to the economic meltdown. 12:43 And in fact one in four half families, 12:46 these people are living in cars. 12:47 So it is a real need in our inner cities. 12:50 Any idea how many homeless people 12:52 are in the Denver area? Oh, 12,000. 12:54 Is that right? Yes, 12,000. 12:57 Well how do you-- 12:59 what is your approach to reach out to these folks. 13:02 Well, you know in order to reach out to someone, 13:05 you have to be able to gain their trust 13:08 and their confidence, so we help them. 13:10 You know, and if you're homeless in downtown Denver. 13:13 You can get three-meals a day, breakfast, lunch, dinner, 13:17 even on the weekends people can come, 13:19 churches will come and give out 13:20 burritos and sandwiches. 13:22 But at 3 o'clock on Friday afternoon 13:25 all the ministries shutdown. 13:28 We're the only game in town on Friday night. 13:31 If you want to eat dinner, you come to the Healing Place. 13:34 Uh-huh, amen, well that sounds like a-- 13:36 Well, tell us what an evening program 13:37 could be like for these folks? 13:39 Okay, well we open our doors at 6 PM. 13:41 In fact I don't know if there is 13:43 a picture of our building, there we go. 13:46 We're only a half a block away from the 16th St. mall 13:50 which is right in the very heart of downtown Denver. 13:52 We are on the 4th floor. 13:54 We have--we just moved there three weeks ago, 13:56 we have a beautiful suite. 13:57 And the doors, we open the doors at 6 PM to 6:30. 14:01 And we escort them upstairs. 14:04 When we escort them in to the room 14:06 where we have Bible study 14:07 and you could probably show the next picture there. 14:09 We have a beautiful nature DVD shown 14:13 and we provide a beverage for them. 14:16 We provide snacks 14:17 because we do a Bible study with them first 14:20 and then we feed them a meal. 14:21 Well, if your stomach is grumbling, 14:23 you're not going to pay very much attention 14:25 to a Bible study, are you. 14:26 So we give them snack 14:28 and then they love the nature DVD. 14:30 You know, it just takes them away from the reality 14:32 and the harshness of life out on the street. 14:35 And then we use the lifting up Jesus Bible studies 14:38 on PowerPoint for our spirit show. 14:42 But before that we ask for praise and prayer request. 14:45 And that is huge because I offer some of my own. 14:49 they offer some of their own 14:51 and in time they trust you 14:52 and they start coming to you 14:54 with spiritual problems with questions. 14:56 You know can you pray for this. 14:57 They'll bring, they're bringing their neighbors. 14:59 They're bringing their friends. 15:00 They're bringing, when I say neighbors, 15:02 I mean the people living under the bridge next to them 15:05 or the car right next door to where they are. 15:07 So they get a--they feel like they can open up. 15:09 Yes. And you can really dialog with them. 15:11 Yes, amen, amen. Family atmosphere. 15:13 It is a family atmosphere out there out on the street. 15:16 Now Debbie had mentioned 15:18 when I interviewed her about Atlanta, 15:20 is it true in Denver also that actually 15:23 a lot of homeless people or homeless families. 15:26 Yes, that is absolutely true. 15:27 In fact we have, you know, it's just been the last year 15:31 that we have more children coming to our ministry. 15:34 It's so sad. 15:35 In fact I'm thinking of one family Joshua, Amanda 15:38 and their beautiful 10 year daughter Destiny. 15:42 Just last week I asked how many of you have praises. 15:45 And she raised her hand 15:47 and I said, "Destiny, what's your praise? 15:49 And she said school is starting in a week. 15:52 And I said really. 15:53 And I said, "What's your favorite class?" 15:55 I love school. 15:56 I love everything about school. 15:58 And I thought to myself bless her heart, 16:00 it's just, it's probably an escape from what she has, 16:04 you know, in her everyday life, you know. 16:06 And this is like a 10 year old. 16:07 It's a 10 year old girl, 16:08 beautiful blond haired girl, you know. 16:11 It's really-- these families are struggling. 16:14 Do you know only one in four are out on the streets 16:16 because of alcohol addictions. 16:18 Only one in four, the rest of them, 16:20 it's financial difficulties. 16:22 Oh, is that how you met Serra. 16:24 Oh, yes. 16:26 Let me share a picture with you. Let's see. 16:28 What's the next picture up there? 16:30 I have to tell you about Serra and Jacob. 16:33 Serra and Jacob are young couple from Florida. 16:36 They were following up on a job posting on craigslist. 16:39 They hitchhiked from Tallahassee to Denver, Colorado. 16:43 And in while they were doing that, 16:45 they got everything their backpack stolen in Atlanta-- 16:48 their id's, their jackets, their money, everything. 16:52 They were finally plopped in Denver 16:54 on February 2nd of this year in the middle of a snowstorm. 16:57 What do you do in a strange city 16:59 when you have nothing, you have no coats, 17:01 you have nothing but the clothes on your back. 17:03 Well, they rode a free shuttle all night long 17:07 so that they could survive that night. 17:09 The next day they went out on the street, 17:11 they found out where to get the feeds. 17:13 That's what they call them feeds 17:14 and they found out about the Healing Place, 17:17 Week after week they came, 17:18 they listened to the Bible studies, 17:19 they didn't missed one. 17:21 They kept telling me about how they lived, 17:23 that's Friday night is the highlight of their whole week. 17:26 Finally, it was about in April. 17:28 One Friday night the Lord kept telling me, 17:30 "Take them back with you, take them." 17:32 She is four-months pregnant. 17:35 We tried to get them temporary housing. 17:36 They said, "Well about in a year 17:37 there's 58 people ahead of you." 17:39 What is she going to do? 17:40 Have a baby under a bridge for goodness sake. 17:42 And so I just took them, our ministry paid for a week 17:46 at a low cost hotel in Castle Rock. 17:48 That week I took them to church 17:50 at our Franktown Church 17:52 right outside of Denver Colorado. 17:53 Because of the kindness of our church, 17:56 he was hired on here and there 17:58 to help out with site jobs and landscaping and so forth. 18:02 He was brought up in foster care. 18:04 He was in 12 foster care homes by the time he was 9. 18:07 An older couple adopted him. 18:09 And, you know, now his dad is dead, 18:11 his mom's got dementia in nursing home. 18:14 Her mother was the town tramp. 18:16 She had six other kids by five other dads. 18:20 And when she was 15 years old, 18:21 her mother would take her clubbing with her. 18:23 When she was 16, she said mom 18:25 this is not the lifestyle I want. 18:27 I don't want, I'm not, 18:28 I don't want to have anything to do with drugs or alcohol, 18:31 this is not what I want. 18:32 When she met Jacob, she said 18:33 if you want to be with me 18:35 I don't want anything to do with drugs or alcohol. 18:37 Today, they are getting ready for baptism. 18:40 Our church just had a baby shower for them. 18:41 They want to dedicate their baby to the Lord. 18:43 They want to become Seventh-day Adventist Christians. 18:45 You want to see an after picture of them. 18:47 Let's see them. Oh, praise the Lord. 18:48 Can we say amen? 18:50 Thank you Debbie. Amen. 18:51 Thank you so much Karen. And she has got more. 18:54 If you ever get homeless, be sure to go to Denver, 18:56 she will take good care of you. 18:59 Okay, Portland, Oregon. 19:03 What a special time this is going to be. 19:05 We are so happy to have 19:06 Molly Geddis with us this afternoon. 19:08 And she is going to tell us about the Healthy Heart Team 19:13 that she was involved in Portland, Oregon. 19:16 When she started back 19:17 when she was only 8 years old and younger. 19:20 She as a parish nurse program 19:23 and she wanted to do something in her local church in Portland. 19:26 And I'm sure she never dreamed where it would lead to. 19:29 But let's back up to when you started. 19:32 Well, it was in 2007, 19:36 I retired in 2006 19:40 and when I was 79 19:42 as a medical missionary nurse in the North American division. 19:46 And I thought I had retired. 19:49 And so I started a parish nursing program 19:51 in my church in Portland, Oregon. 19:54 And I got some of my friends 19:56 where I lived at the Adventist retirement center 19:58 in the village to help me. 20:01 And pastor felt that 20:05 we were biting off more than we could chew. 20:07 He didn't think we could go into the Fred Meyer store 20:10 and do a blood pressure screening. 20:12 As I wanted to do a lifestyle improvement program 20:14 for the community 20:16 and start with the blood pressure 20:17 screening in a large store. 20:18 I had been doing this for many years 20:20 and he said Molly, 20:22 you know, there is all kinds of insurance problems, 20:26 and well we're in 14th Fred Myers stores now 20:30 in four states. 20:32 And so we if the Lord let us in. 20:35 So you got into Fred Meyer 20:37 but let's go just back to first one. 20:39 You were there about three months 20:40 and the manager of that division, 20:43 pharmacy division came to you 20:44 and actually and he asked you 20:46 to go into more stores didn't he. 20:47 Yes, I was surprised 20:49 because I thought I was just doing 20:51 a small program in my old age. 20:53 And but the God had surprises for me, so. 20:59 And are there other churches in Portland now, 21:01 involved as well as you're with the church. 21:03 Yes. 21:05 The young people started coming to me. 21:08 Now I say the young people 21:09 because you know we were seniors, 21:11 80 and 90 year olds running and they're screening. 21:13 So the 40-50-60 year olds in the churches start, 21:18 they're young people, started coming to me 21:21 and asking us to train their church. 21:23 So we have five churches in Portland area, 21:26 we have two across the river in Vancouver. 21:29 We have two in Southern Oregon. 21:31 And we have Den Bob Folkenburg 21:35 asked me to come talk to his pastors 21:37 and then we went into Upper Columbia Conference 21:39 in Washington State and into Northern Idaho. 21:43 And I just finished the screening July 1 in Alaska. 21:48 And I think you were young. Yes, I'm just only 85. 21:54 Now what do you call your team. 21:56 I mean when they do-- 21:57 you know you're not health counselors, 21:59 you're health-- We're health coachers. 22:01 That's a good term, isn't it? 22:02 Yeah, that's the buzz word today 22:04 and we have to keep up with the times. 22:07 So there was 22 of us, professional nursing 22:12 and so forth that took the health, 22:14 took the coaching from a university there in Portland. 22:18 They were Baptist ministers 22:19 that taught us how to do coaching. 22:22 Of course, we already knew the health 22:24 and so we can call our program you know health coachers. 22:28 And the important thing is the follow up of course 22:32 where we can talk to them about God's love. 22:35 And so the very first screening I see in 20 people 22:40 that I had signed up for follow up. 22:42 Can I have backup on that? 22:44 I think you told me that in the store that day 22:47 Fred Meyer is kind of like Wal-Mart or better. 22:49 It's a big store. 22:50 Yeah, it's a--like a big Macy's with the big supermarket. Okay. 22:53 2000 employees in one store. 22:55 You had about a 100 22:57 and some people come through the screening program. 22:59 Yeah, 150. 23:01 And out of 150 you signed up for some health coaching. 23:04 How many? 20. 23:05 20 people and you offered them to-- 23:09 how would you follow up with them? 23:10 Well, I could either, we could either go in their home 23:13 another nurse and I did it. 23:15 I worked the morning shift, we worked two four hour shifts. 23:18 Because we worked in one day a month eight hours a day, 23:22 and I worked the morning shift. 23:23 She worked afternoon shift 23:25 and we signed up people to follow up on them. 23:29 And so that we could talk to them about their heath 23:32 and then go into talking to them about God's love. 23:35 Isn't that wonderful. 23:36 So you either go to their homes, house calls, 23:38 or they come to the wellness center 23:40 which is the church. 23:41 Our churches have to be wellness centers 23:43 because Fred Meyers does not allow 23:46 and no corporate store allows church programs. 23:49 You have to be a health program. 23:52 So that's why we went in as a Healthy Heart Team. 23:55 And Lionel Zello who is the corporate 23:58 in charge of all the pharmacies 24:00 for the western division of crockery stores 24:02 which is Fred Meyer's in four states 24:06 in the North Pacific Union where we were at. 24:08 And he loves this program and he wants it in every store 24:12 and he has got 200 stores. Oh my. 24:15 We have 24 churches involved in this program now. 24:18 You had to get some more, young people involved don't you? 24:21 Well, they are, they are doing a great job and they see, 24:25 we average 2,000 people a month that we screen. 24:28 And then they are doing a lot of cooking classes 24:31 and stress seminars and things like that, you know. 24:35 I like your program. 24:36 You know, we do a lot of screening programs 24:39 but really the screening programs 24:40 are typically to launch into something. 24:43 And some people never quite get launched 24:44 but I like that you're able to very quickly transition. 24:48 You're really making an appointment with them 24:50 if they're willing to come at their home, 24:52 or to have them come to your wellness center 24:54 and then you go into a health programs 24:56 and you are watching for the spiritual interest. 24:59 A 50% of the people we see have high blood pressure 25:02 and I'm saying like 200 over 110. 25:05 From our database all the people that are-- 25:07 Most of people we see are in their 30-40s and 50s. 25:11 And they're just shocked that they have high blood pressure 25:14 and some of them don't have any idea 25:16 that they have high blood pressure. 25:17 So we're saving people from strokes 25:19 and heart attacks every single day. 25:21 And preparing them for eternity. 25:23 Am I out of minutes? We are out of minutes. 25:26 But we're going to tell them how to get a hold of you 25:28 because if you ever get to meet Molly, 25:30 you're going to want more of her 25:31 and you can follow up with Molly at healthyheartteam.net. 25:38 Thank you, Molly, God bless you. 25:40 Thank you everybody. 25:42 We are glad to have you here. Thank you. 25:47 Now we're going back to the south. 25:49 We're going to go to Columbus, Georgia. 25:53 You know in this segment 25:55 and we're so happy to have with us, 25:57 Valentina Dragomir and Calvin Thrash 25:59 who is the president of Uchee Pines Institute. 26:02 Uchee Pines Institute operates in the outpost in Seale, Alabama 26:06 but across the river is Columbus, Georgia, 26:09 their city mission territory, right. 26:12 And we're so happy that you're here today. 26:14 And tell us a little bit about 26:16 Uchee Pines urban aspect of your outreach. 26:20 And Valentina tell us little bit about-- 26:25 you have the restaurant. 26:26 In fact the restaurant it goes clear back to the early 70s, 26:30 doesn't it mid-70s. 26:31 So they've been doing restaurant ministry 26:33 in health food store for many, many years, 26:35 haven't you? That's correct. 26:36 But what are some of the unique things 26:38 that you've found make that ministry more effective 26:42 to not just feed people but get a little closer to them. 26:44 Give us an example. 26:46 Okay, I believe you're referring to the programs 26:49 that's we're doing at Country Life Yes. 26:51 And specifically that includes cooking classes 26:54 that's our students put up 26:57 for the customers at Country Life. 27:00 As well as a new program that we have developed 27:03 'Dinner with a Doctor.' Dinner with a doctor. 27:06 That's sounds interesting, tell us about that one? 27:08 Yes, it is interesting 27:10 and the way it started is also very interesting. 27:15 Some of our church members from Uchee Pines 27:19 visited the neighborhood. 27:20 And every time they went to a store, 27:23 they would talk to the people and tell them about this DVD, 27:28 'Folks over Knives.' 27:30 And they would lend it out 27:32 and visit them again to see what they think about it. 27:37 Then they would invite them to a 'Dinner with a Doctor.' 27:40 What this is, one of the physicians 27:43 from Uchee Pines would have 27:45 a health lecture at Country Life. 27:50 The guest would come and have dinner, 27:52 listen to the lecture, ask the questions they have 27:57 and just build bridges and make friends. 28:01 How did it work? How many people that you get-- 28:04 do they signup at a time, so you know they're coming 28:07 and about how many came? 28:08 Yes, they do signup ahead of time. 28:12 Actually the idea was born a couple of months ago. 28:16 But we only had the first meeting last month. 28:19 Our second one-- 28:21 Will be tomorrow. Coming up tomorrow. 28:22 Tomorrow. Yes. 28:24 Ah, we did have 24 the first time. Really. 28:27 And I understand that's we have 30 signed up for our second. 28:30 Thirty have signed up to come tomorrow. 28:32 What do you say folks? 28:33 Amen. Isn't that wonderful. 28:35 So sit down and have a dinner with a doctor 28:37 and be able to ask the questions you've always wanted to ask. 28:40 That's right. Very good. 28:41 Tell us about your cooking schools. 28:43 Is that at the restaurant also? 28:45 Those are at the restaurant as well. 28:47 Usually, the restaurant is closed Sabbath and Sunday 28:53 but the health food store is open Sunday. 28:56 And the kitchen is available on Sunday 28:58 for us to do cooking classes. 29:00 And so we advertise through the store 29:04 and the last class actually we only advertised 29:09 for five days I believe. 29:10 We had the flier out for the five days. 29:13 And we had 28 registered. 29:17 One couple actually just walked into the store that day 29:20 and they found out about the cooking school 29:22 so they stayed on. 29:24 Our students from Uchee Pines 29:27 learned in their nutrition classes 29:28 how to conduct a cooking school. 29:31 How to organize and conduct the cooking school. 29:33 So they actually prepared the food, they serve it, 29:36 they do the cooking demos 29:38 and present the health lectures. 29:40 So they get some good hands on experience right there. 29:42 Good hands on experience as well. Very good. 29:44 Well Calvin can you tell us 29:45 another aspect of Uchee Pines urban outreach. 29:48 What are you doing in this city? 29:50 We are taking a kind of a unique approach 29:53 to a very old way of doing things 29:55 and that's the canvassing work. 29:57 The canvassing work is a door to door type work. 30:00 We have taken that little statement 30:03 that Sister White made about 30:05 how she had seen thousands of people 30:06 going door to door 30:08 and sharing simple health services 30:11 with the community at no charge. 30:13 The problem is actually getting through the barrier 30:17 that usually people have there at the door. 30:19 You knock on the door 30:20 and usually people don't really want to talk to you, 30:22 so we're using a little technological edge 30:24 called health at your door. It's very simple thing. 30:27 We offer a DVD initially and we say hello. 30:31 I'm Calvin Thrash and this is my associate Valentina Dragomir. 30:34 We're here in your area doing 30:36 personalized health services in this community 30:38 and we like to leave you this DVD 30:40 that explains what we're doing 30:42 and we'll back next week to talk to you a little bit more 30:44 about what it is that we can do. 30:46 Health at your door. 30:47 Health at your door, there's a website 30:48 that is actually associated with that people can log on, 30:52 make appointments. 30:53 They can have cooking schools, 30:55 cooking, health demonstrations 30:57 of various types right there in their home. 31:00 And in simple like a chair massage 31:03 or simple treatments that we can do easily. 31:06 And it has been so far a smashing success 31:09 although I will say that we've only been using 31:11 this approach for about six months. 31:13 And from that we have got about a dozen 31:15 Bible studies actually. Bible studies. 31:17 With people going past the barrier, 31:20 we used the Amazing Health Facts presentation 31:24 that segues into the Amazing Facts Bible studies 31:27 and it's been a very effective tool 31:29 in working with people in our area 31:31 right around the Country Life area. 31:34 Well, thank you so much for sharing that. 31:36 It's been our privilege 31:37 just to give you a little snapshot this afternoon 31:40 of several of our urban ministries Atlanta, 31:42 Georgia and Portland, Oregon, Denver, Colorado 31:46 and back down to Columbus, Georgia. 31:49 May your tribe increase 31:50 and may our effectiveness in city evangelism 31:53 get better and better and hasten the coming of Jesus. 31:56 Thank you so much. Thank you very much. 32:09 There's a land that is fairer than day 32:16 And by faith we can see it afar 32:23 For the Father waits over the way 32:30 To prepare us a dwelling place there 32:37 In the sweet In the sweet by and by 32:45 We shall meet on that beautiful shore 32:53 In the sweet by and by 33:00 We shall meet on that beautiful shore 33:07 To our bountiful Father above 33:14 We will offer our tribute of praise 33:22 For the glorious gift of His love 33:29 And the blessings that hallow our days 33:37 In the sweet In the sweet by and by 33:44 We shall meet on that beautiful shore 33:52 In the sweet by and by 34:00 We shall meet on that beautiful shore 34:07 In the sweet by and by 34:15 In the sweet by and by 34:18 In the sweet by and by 34:24 We shall meet 34:27 on that beautiful shore 34:43 This uses to be area one time 34:45 that was thriving many years ago 34:48 with a rich history and culture of Detroit. 34:52 People were only doing well and making a lot of money, 34:54 things were very positive. 35:01 With the downturn in the economy, 35:04 Detroit has been impacted so strongly. 35:10 As you drive by many streets, 35:14 you see homes that are completely bordered up. 35:17 You'll see many automotive plants 35:20 that are completely shutdown. 35:23 You see groceries stores that are completely closed 35:26 and there're so many people in the area 35:28 who are just totally, totally devastated, 35:32 loss of jobs, no medical and dental insurance. 35:36 And they're so much hurt and in need of healing. 35:40 And so I believe that God is positioning us 35:46 in this area as medical professionals, 35:48 dentists and physicians 35:51 to sort of be a beacon of hope to those who are in need 35:54 as the Bible says for such a time as this. 36:04 Myself and some other physicians 36:09 and some nutritionists 36:10 and couple of lay pastors decided that look-- 36:16 why don't we allow God to use us 36:19 to make an impact in the city. 36:23 So we started these meetings 36:25 and we call them Health Healing 36:27 and Hope for these trouble times. 36:32 Good afternoon, ASI family. 36:34 I'm very happy to introduce to you today 36:36 Dr. Wendell Lawrence. 36:38 He is the one you saw in the video. 36:40 He is from Detroit, Michigan 36:42 and he is a dentist but he is not only a dentist, 36:44 he is a medical evangelist. 36:46 And he is here to share more with us 36:48 about this ministry that he has started with 36:51 his fellow team members, 36:52 it's called Health Healing and Hope. 36:54 And I just want to ask you, Dr. Lawrence, 36:55 I would thank you so much for being here with us today. 36:58 And I know this is an important story. 37:00 Tell us how this idea from ministry came about 37:04 and what drew you to this kind of ministry 37:06 to reach out to the people of Detroit? 37:07 Well, you know, I have always done 37:09 some sort of ministry in my office 37:12 but at this point in time there was 37:14 so much need in Detroit with such devastation 37:18 and we know we had to do something. 37:21 So God was drawing us to do something for these people 37:25 and we just felt a need to step out 37:29 and lift Jesus Christ up. 37:33 Now what are some of the programs 37:34 that you have been running from your office? 37:38 We have a Thursday night, 37:40 Bible study group that meets every single Thursday night. 37:43 We have a food fellowship first 37:46 and the people love to come to that. 37:47 And then we do a little health nugget 37:50 and then we go into some serious Bible studies. 37:52 We have about anywhere from 15 to 30 people 37:54 coming out every Thursday night. 37:57 And on Mondays we also have another 37:59 more intensive nutritional study 38:01 in the mornings and in the evenings. 38:03 Now, this may be a hard question 38:06 but I think it's a really important one. 38:08 You are helping in a way to meet people's 38:11 physical needs as a dentist 38:13 but you're also trying to meet their spiritual needs. 38:15 How are you helping people bridge the gap 38:17 in their understanding between leading from physical healing 38:21 to spiritual hope? 38:24 Well, you know, pray is the central focus 38:28 for everything and as we pray with our patience. 38:33 And they see the miracles taking place, 38:36 the healing taking place it brings them such hope 38:39 because they're so devastated. 38:41 And as a matter of fact we have a dentist 38:44 down the street who sends his sick patients 38:48 down to our office when they have medical problems 38:51 because he knows that miracles happen there. 38:53 And we have known as a center for health healing 38:55 and hope in the sense. 38:57 Now I know there are probably a number of dentists 39:00 or medical professionals here 39:02 who have their own practices or work with the group 39:04 and may be you have wondered 39:06 how do you start something like this. 39:08 Now you had a whole team. 39:09 How many people are you working with 39:11 here on this ministry? 39:12 Well, we have several. 39:15 I'm a members of the Amen Organization. 39:17 And we have several Amen doctors 39:19 who come in and helped us from time to time. 39:22 We have couple of lay pastors, 39:24 we have couple nutritionist 39:26 who come by and help us from week to week. 39:29 And God is really helping us and blessing us. 39:32 And people are responding to not only the health message 39:35 but also to the Bible studies and the prophecy. 39:37 So then how does somebody 39:39 who is working at this point on their own 39:41 begins something like this. 39:43 Where is the important part, 39:44 a way to start with you feel like 39:45 you're just the sole practitioner 39:47 and, you know, you don't have a team 39:49 of people who work with yet. 39:51 What do you think it's the most important place to start? 39:53 Well, first of all, you start with prayer. 39:55 First of all, ask God to bless. 39:57 Because when you lift Jesus Christ up 39:59 others are drawn to him. 40:01 So we started off first by 40:02 just leaving literature in the office, 40:04 in the offertories, you know health, 40:06 we have so much resources now 40:08 for health magazines, health tracts. 40:10 And we just leave them around the office 40:12 and people pick them up and ask questions. 40:14 And one thing with us as dentist, 40:16 we have a very captive audience. 40:18 So I can give a whole Bible study 40:20 while I'm doing root canal. 40:22 And it really helps and people are-- 40:24 That's got to be better than anesthesia. 40:30 Is there anything else that you would like 40:31 to share here with other people 40:33 who might want to start something like this, 40:35 just encourage them to know that there is 40:36 something that they can do as well? 40:37 Well, just team up with your local church 40:40 and with the local elders 40:41 and people like Bible workers and God will bless. 40:44 Wonderful, thank you so much for being with us. 40:46 Thank you. 40:48 I have somebody else to introduce to you today, 40:50 his name is Justin Coleman. 40:51 If any of you, in fact raise your hands 40:53 if you've ever attended a GYC Convention or Conference. 40:56 Well, then you might know who he is. 40:58 He is always involved up there. 40:59 We have seen him up on the stage. 41:01 But he is also works in the capacity 41:03 as a Director of Campus, 41:05 a ministry for Adventist students 41:06 attending secular universities. 41:09 And that is based in Lansing and Harbor Michigan. 41:12 Ah, I want to know to-- 41:14 share with the people here what exactly is Campus. 41:16 What are those letters stand for? 41:17 Yeah, hey, everyone, CAMPUS is an organization 41:20 where we reach out to weird people. 41:22 One of the weirdest people out there 41:23 are students on public universities. 41:26 These students are really, really weird. 41:28 Amen, everybody. 41:29 Now you're talking about Adventist students. 41:32 Ah, these are some of them are Adventist. 41:34 We are trying to retain 41:36 80% of the Adventist young people 41:39 attending public university. 41:40 So the first call is to retain that 80% 41:42 and to help them stay in Adventist 41:44 and then get them to appoint 41:46 where they're reaching out to other non Adventists 41:48 and then propagating the faith on universities. 41:50 So how did this ministry come about 41:52 and how did your personal involvement? 41:54 Yeah, our organization started in 1999. 41:57 It was initiated by the Michigan Conference. 41:59 They saw that a lot of our young people 42:01 are leaving through the backdoor. 42:03 Some young people are deliberately 42:05 going to public universities to get lost, simply as it is. 42:09 Or other students are-- 42:10 they don't have the fortunate opportunity 42:12 to go to an Adventist education. 42:14 So they go and they're looking for places to get lost. 42:19 Well, what we're trying to do in the Michigan Conference 42:21 took the first initiative in 1999 42:23 to set up a department and organization 42:25 that finds ways to retain Adventist students 42:28 and they're getting them to be 42:29 faithful committers of the Adventist. 42:31 You know, now you're based in Lansing, Ann Arbor, 42:33 But you're reaching farther than that. 42:34 Tell me where are your biggest impact is right now? 42:37 Ah, we have the jurisdiction of the state of Michigan. 42:40 We have 12 universities 42:41 that have an Adventist CAMPUS presence. 42:44 We have some students, 42:46 some student groups about 50 people. 42:48 Some are just two but we still love them, 42:50 two people are just as important. 42:52 And what's great about CAMPUS ministry is this. 42:55 After four years they leave, 42:57 they either go to graduate school 42:58 or they go to somewhere else 43:00 and just from being faithful in Michigan. 43:03 We have impacted the cities of Boston, 43:04 Washington DC, California, San Francisco, Miami 43:08 and we have gone even international. 43:09 There are just students in Europe, 43:11 in Toronto, far away Canada, 43:13 Australia and Asia. 43:15 It's wonderful to be witnessing to the world 43:18 when these students are coming to your front door step. 43:20 Because the universities are located in cities primarily. 43:23 That's right, yeah. 43:24 Now I know you have some stories about 43:26 what CAMPUS has been accomplishing 43:27 and I wish we can hear all of them 43:29 but I'm going to give you the go button 43:31 and I'll tell you when to start. So get it as best as you can. 43:33 Yeah, there's so many weird people 43:34 that I just love to share you about. 43:36 The CAMPUS environment is where one student, 43:40 where we get them just to activate 43:41 and they are totally on fire for Jesus. 43:43 They go all out and they're reaching out 43:45 to their fellow students or roommates. 43:47 We have this one guy, he is so on fire, 43:49 he is sharing his faith to everyone in dormitory. 43:52 There is these Pentecostals who are coming 43:54 and now they're Seventh-day Adventist. 43:55 But they're so on fire 43:56 and we're talking to them about the gift of prophecy 43:58 and they love the fact 43:59 that we have the Spirit of Prophecy. 44:01 Not a weird point for them at all. 44:04 They love that there is a biblical prophet around. 44:07 These guys are going around in NFCA 44:09 and into Detroit area and they're reaching out. 44:11 We got a guy who is interested in spiritual things. 44:14 He was had a full scholarship to Eastern Michigan University. 44:17 He is a pure red Baptist. 44:20 Baptist pastors from all the way 44:23 to the first Baptist. I don't know who that is. 44:24 Anyway, and he is super Texan Baptist. 44:28 And he finally got convicted on a Sabbath. 44:30 And he is thinking what do I do. 44:31 I play football on Sabbath. What would I do? 44:33 He finally made a decision to follow the Lord 44:35 and keep the Sabbath 44:37 and he forfeited his entire scholarship 44:39 to become a Seventh-day Adventist. 44:41 And he was a future football star. 44:43 We have another girl, she was a hardcore feminist. 44:45 She is hardcore lesbian. 44:48 She was just a really angry weird person 44:51 and we're all weird, amen. We're all weird, I'm weird too. 44:54 Anyway she is weird too. 44:56 And we're reaching out to her 44:57 and she finally became interested 44:58 and she came to GYC. 45:00 And she saw I mean there was just 45:01 a bigger worldview picture out there. 45:03 And now she is a committed Seventh-day Adventist 45:05 and she is also doing CAMPUS ministry as well. 45:07 Now, Justin, have you always been an Adventist? 45:09 I kind of not know, not really. 45:14 I was an Adventist by name who ate pork and shrimp 45:18 and went to church on Saturday 45:19 but came back and did everything else 45:21 that everyone else did and is that an Adventist. 45:23 No, that's not an Adventist, right. No, no. 45:25 So where were you 45:26 when the Lord reached your heart? 45:27 Where were you going to school? 45:29 I went to a Roman Catholic high school. 45:32 And I went to a Jewish college. 45:34 And I'm not any of those denominations or were. 45:38 And while on campus there was a campus ministry. 45:41 A local church who invested in campus ministry. 45:43 And that was a first time where I realized 45:45 that the Adventist message 45:47 is not simply going to church on Saturday. 45:50 Not simply eating weird veggie meat. 45:52 There is something bigger to this. 45:55 A clear picture of the Lord Jesus Christ, 45:57 that just blew my mind. 45:59 And I wanted to share this with every young person that I met. 46:01 So this is very personal to you then. 46:03 This is very personal for me. 46:04 So what do you see happening now 46:05 in the coming months and years for CAMPUS? 46:07 What are some of the new things that you're planning to do? 46:10 We're hoping to get resources 46:11 where every Adventist young person 46:13 cannot only defend a Christian faith 46:14 but also the Adventist faith. 46:17 Also they can articulate the Adventist message 46:20 basically what is Jesus doing right now. 46:24 He is not a memorial figure, amen everybody. 46:27 He is currently in a heavenly sanctuary right now. 46:30 This is a reality check that all universities need to know. 46:34 We're also trying to reach out that 46:35 we have a Chinese people coming to United States 46:38 and getting their secondary education here. 46:40 These Chinese people are coming from a communist worldview. 46:43 They don't know who Adam and Eve are. 46:47 Is that crazy? Anyway that's bit crazy. 46:51 So giving Bible sermon on Adam and Eve 46:52 and they said hold on, hold on, who is Adam and Eve. 46:54 So we have to actually start from Adam and Eve 46:56 and then what happens is 46:57 we actually knocked on some doors. 46:59 We got two Chinese ladies 47:00 they're post graduate doctorate students. 47:02 They became Seventh-day Adventist from Bible studies. 47:04 They went back to China 47:06 and they have Adventist groups happening in China right now 47:08 and we didn't even go to China. 47:10 We're sending missionaries out from where we are. 47:12 So we're hoping that each city, each university town 47:15 has a vibrant propagating CAMPUS ministry, 47:18 we can impact the world from our backyards. 47:20 That's wonderful. 47:21 And where did you worked 47:22 before you came to the CAMPUS ministries, 47:24 what city where you were in. 47:25 I was working in city of Detroit. 47:27 I think there's a theme here. Thanks. 47:29 It wasn't planned that way. 47:32 I have another man I would like to introduce you to 47:34 his name is Ron Myers. 47:37 He directs the Radio 74 ministry 47:41 and I'm so happy to introduce you to everybody. 47:44 We were joking before hand 47:46 that usually he is the one who is doing the interview. 47:49 And we would both feel happier if we can just trade places. 47:51 So I don't know which one of us is more nervous. 47:53 But, now tell me what is Radio 74 47:57 and where are you located? 47:58 Radio 74 is based in France. 48:00 It began about 30 years ago 48:03 right on the borders with Geneva, Switzerland. 48:05 And so while we were France, 48:06 actually our biggest audience 48:07 is in Geneva, Lausanne, Switzerland. 48:09 About 1.4 million people have able to that station. 48:12 Now how long have you been working 48:13 and living in France? 48:15 Ah, about 30 years. Yeah, 30 some, yeah. 48:17 Thirty years so you don't have 48:18 a French accent, so where are you? 48:19 I can speak really French accent if you like in. 48:23 I wanted him to do that. 48:26 Now what kind of ministry is this 48:28 and what are you accomplishing over there in Europe. 48:31 Well, we build radio stations for local churches. 48:35 When I had been manager of Adventist World Radio. 48:37 In fact I was the second ever manager 48:39 going back to the late 70s. 48:41 And I went to France right when private radio opened. 48:45 It's all been state monopolies until then. 48:47 But this was a first chance to build radios 48:49 and I felt a call to go. 48:51 And I build some for the churches 48:52 and that fizzled in. 48:53 We started this little thing called Radio 74 48:55 that are 15 watt peanut vessel. 48:57 In a tit it grew. 48:59 Geneva was ready for an English speaking 49:01 radio station then and it has grown 49:03 to what is now a network of seven FM stations, 49:06 satellite to about 75 countries of Europe 49:09 and we reached probably into 49:12 lets say people of intelligence of position 49:16 we, of course in Geneva, that's the United Nations city. 49:19 And so there's lot of people of international. 49:21 Probably, a hundred national is listening to this station. 49:24 Now we hear over here that Europeans 49:25 are very resistant to the gospel 49:27 but you've had a fare measure of success recently. 49:30 Can you tell us a little bit about that? 49:32 Well Europeans are reachable. 49:33 I think if we're not reaching because we're not working there. 49:36 I think of Europe, 49:37 Western Europe, northern division. 49:39 It's really the-- 49:42 it's a forgotten continent in many ways. 49:45 We're not doing a lot there. 49:46 But where the with the radio has been its working, 49:48 people are coming in Lord. 49:49 They're hearing the gospel for the very first time. 49:52 Having Doug Batchelor on the air for the last 10 years 49:56 the time had come for him to come 49:57 and he came for the first time 49:59 to our division in March this year. 50:01 We had five meetings in four days. 50:04 The second night we asked the people to raise their hands. 50:06 How many of you come because you heard it on radio 74 50:09 just about every hand went up. 50:10 Oh, wow, that's fantastic. Oh, it's so exciting. 50:13 Now I know some will say that radio is old news 50:16 that the digital age and getting online. 50:18 Everybody is listening online 50:20 but obviously you believe that 50:22 radio is still a very viable important type of ministry. 50:25 Can you explain why you think that's not going to end? 50:28 Let me answer that question in a minute 50:29 because there is more to tell about Doug. 50:30 Okay, go ahead. 50:32 When Doug came, this was wonderful, 50:34 the people were ready they'd known him. 50:36 These-- he is part of their family 50:38 after listening for 10 years. 50:39 Two hours a day he is on our station. 50:43 The building filled 600 people were there in Geneva. 50:46 This is the fourth richest city on the planet. 50:49 This is just not the third world. 50:52 People showed up in mass and filled that hall. 50:55 Doug did a good job. The translation was excellent. 50:58 At second night we asked how many hands, 51:00 I mentioned there but there were 47 people 51:02 that said, "I want to be baptized." 51:04 Another 75 said, "I want the Bible studies." 51:07 This is Geneva, this hasn't happened in decades. 51:09 We praise God for the opportunities 51:12 to reach into a large city like this. 51:14 That's fantastic. Okay the question was. 51:16 The question was. 51:17 Tell me why radio is still a viable outreach tool 51:21 even though everybody is starting 51:22 to go online and listen online? 51:24 Television tried to bury radio decades ago, 51:28 it never happened. 51:29 Now the online, you know, all the gadgets 51:32 and everybody is walking around 51:34 looking at their hands these days 51:36 but you know you're still when you're driving your car, 51:40 you're still listening. 51:41 You can't watch television while driving. 51:43 You can't text that's against the law in most places. 51:46 Radio reaches and the other thing about radio, 51:50 it creates in your mind a picture, 51:53 images that are bigger than television. 51:55 Have you thought about that? 51:56 Your imagination can make something 51:59 even greater and it fits-- 52:01 it sticks more than having to create this by screens, 52:04 so I believe in radio. And it's so much cheaper. 52:07 That you mentioned diverse that goes with that earlier. 52:09 Faith comes by hearing. Yeah, by hearing. 52:12 Hearing by the word of God. That's right. 52:14 Now where else I know you're actually coming 52:17 to my city or near where I live in Denver. 52:20 You're going to--you've been working with the group 52:22 there that had built radio station there 52:25 and I know you've been branching out 52:27 all over the United States. 52:28 So it's not just in Europe anymore. 52:29 Well, we started about 10 years ago 52:31 with a low power phase and thought-- 52:34 I just felt a calling to do something 52:36 for my own home country and begin to call churches. 52:39 And we got about 30 low power stations going. 52:41 And we feed that program 52:42 and they were separate network by satellite 52:44 for North America 52:45 call Radio 74 Internationale with an 'e' on the end. 52:48 And that then expanded further about 52:51 four, five years ago 52:53 with non commercial education stations. 52:55 And we were quite successful in getting these. 52:57 We got nearly 30 more. 52:59 We built, we are up to 52 stations on the air now. 53:04 Denver, I'd hope this would reached Denver, I hope it will. 53:07 We've got some technical problems. 53:08 We need some prayers for Denver. Pray for us on this. 53:10 We're in a little trouble but its going to-- 53:11 it will workout, God will provide. 53:13 But the biggest story is this, 53:14 just this week a 570 foot tower 53:18 reached its ultimate height in Bismarck, North Dakota. 53:22 This will be a one 100,000 watts station. 53:25 And next week we get to go up 53:26 and tune up the transmitter get it on the air. 53:28 Another baby is going to be born for Jesus. 53:30 So what is your dream then, 53:32 to see how this is in the next few years for Radio 74? 53:35 Well, I'd love to see more stations on the air. 53:37 This is a dream I had a long time ago 53:40 to see radio just blanket the country. 53:44 We've got a 100,000 watt one going on 53:46 in South Dakota pretty soon. 53:47 Nebraska, 50,000 watts AM, 53:50 the last clear channel station will come on 53:52 in next couple of years in Anchorage, Alaska. 53:54 I'd to like to see an Adventist radio station 53:57 everywhere in the country. 53:58 We'll have to buy stations in the big cities. 54:00 It going to cost a few million. 54:02 But it can happen. But it can happen. 54:04 Now tell me where were you, 54:06 where did you live when you became a Christian? 54:08 I was raised in Adventist 54:09 but you know a cultural Adventist. Right. 54:11 And I got into rock and roll into my 20s 54:13 and then the Lord supernaturally healed me. 54:16 And I quit the rock and roll, 54:17 went to a Christian station and-- 54:19 You were in what city? Los Angeles. 54:21 You told me it was Detroit. 54:24 I did. I worked in Detroit for a while 54:26 before going to Los Angeles. 54:27 I worked at CKLW for a while, journalism. 54:29 Right, he has been in radio for very long time 54:31 since he was young man. So he has a lot of experience. 54:33 If you are interested in getting into radio ministry 54:36 and wants to know how you can start one 54:37 in your town you can come. 54:38 We need help-- we like to talk to you. 54:40 If you like a church, a station in your local church, 54:42 but if it comes in the rural area, 54:44 we can help you with that. 54:45 Yeah, so we have been told things are hard in Europe. 54:48 We have been told things are hard in Detroit 54:49 but obviously the Lord is working everywhere. |
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